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khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 22, 2014 - 05:09pm PT
Many of us live or recreate in areas with extreme wildfire risk. I thought I'd attempt to put relevant and current info in one place. If you know of a new fire or have important info (or questions), please post up!

My info sources, in the order I check them:
https://twitter.com/CAL_FIRE
http://hotlist.wildlandfire.com/forum.php
http://cdfdata.fire.ca.gov/incidents/incidents_current
http://inciweb.nwcg.gov
http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/ (weather, wind, smoke, fire danger, etc)
+ Various Wildfire maps and Modis data interfaces, including:
http://wildlandfire.maps.arcgis.com/

A great summary of fires for California is Yubanet. They have a nice table that is updated very frequently: http://yubanet.com/fire.php

The wildlandfire.com forum is the most accurate and quickly updated and contains information critical to making informed choices about how to react if the fire is near you. I also have a contact at CalFire (former PIO and fire lookout for almost 30 years) who gives us important perspective when it really matters. The Inciweb site and web maps can help determine if smoke will blow your weekend climbing plans.


Current incidents:
Arizona: InciWeb
California: CalFire, InciWeb
Washington: InciWeb

(More to follow when I get a chance)

Edit: Added links to current info rather than having to update it all the time...
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jun 22, 2014 - 06:06pm PT
Fireplace Fire: Between the Old Coulterville Road and trail to El Cap from Tamarack
From the name, I'd guess it was near Fireplace Cliffs. Not many people go up that way.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Jun 22, 2014 - 08:34pm PT
There was a severe fire started in the campground of Jacks Canyon, a popular sport climbing area in northern AZ, last Saturday around noon. I believe it ended up burning around 1200 acres. It would be prudent to check the status of the area before making travel pans.


The fire jumped the canyon and from what I understand, "there is still a lot of green" in the canyon bottom.


I don't know the status of the official investigation, but given the location of the fire, in my mind there is no doubt this fire was started one way or another, by rock climbers. Please be careful with fire. Anyone with information regarding the cause of this fire is encouraged to contact the proper authorities.

Geomac is another good source for fire perimeter maps.




the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Jun 22, 2014 - 09:09pm PT
Your right about it being extremely dry, particularly along a belt from Arizona, thru California and up into southern Oregon. Though it has been a rather mild year for wildfires, it won't take much (say a lightning storm) to stretch firefighting resources thin.

Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Jun 22, 2014 - 10:01pm PT
Two hot spots in California right now.
One to the northeast of Carmen City:



The other in the foothills east of Burbank, near Brand Park in Glendale.


This baby is 23% contained in the White Mountains of Arizona around Dehose:

BooDawg

Social climber
Butterfly Town
Jun 22, 2014 - 10:15pm PT
This evening at Colorado Rd., near Midpines was a small fire. A fire crew was on the scene as I drove past. There was little wind, and I'm hoping that they got it contained quickly.

Any news on this one?
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jun 24, 2014 - 04:15pm PT
But I don't know the criteria for CalFire getting involved vs municipal.
In California, everything that is not "municipal", e.g. within designated city limits, and not within US land (USFS, USNPS, military reservation, etc) is CalFire responsibility.
So Eric, I'm pretty sure CalFire is your responsible agency. It's a good idea to go and visit their station (Groveland?) and get acquainted. They're always happy to meet their "clients" when they're not on a call.

However, CalFire has extensive mutual aid agreements so they will show up when called by the "responsible agency". CalFire did a huge amount of work on the Rim fire although the responsibility and overall fire management was USFS.

In Santa Cruz county CalFire and Santa Cruz county fire have extensive overlap and they work very closely.
Also, most counties (including Santa Cruz County) have their volunteers and full timers trained by CalFire to full CalFire standards.
They also collaborate on traffic accidents, medical emergencies, Castle Rock rescues. Santa Cruz county fire does surf rescues since that's such a specialty.
Here near Castle Rock any serious call gets a response from both the county fire company and CalFire. The two stations are 6 miles apart. When the CalFire station has been called out of the area the County company will cover the CalFire station with an engine and crew. Santa Cruz county fire and San Mateo/Santa Cruz county CalFire share the dispatch center and maintenance yard.

CalFire and county fire are pretty much joined at the hip for events within the county. CalFire of course can get called anywhere in the state. Sometimes even out of state.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jun 24, 2014 - 06:02pm PT
Fireplace Bluff area has a lot of fuel on the ground...

sounds good that they got that one contained. It is one of the prettiest walks in the Valley, up the Old Big Oak Flat road.

HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jun 25, 2014 - 01:57pm PT
(thread drift)
2 years ago I hiked up the Old Big Oak Flat trail past Fireplace Bluffs all the way to the Foresta trail jct and back. I cleaned the trail for Facelift.
I'd never been up that trail before.
Rather an adventure getting across the huge talus field beyond the wood yard. Very pretty when it gets into the forest.
A great day's outing. I saw one (1) (uno) other person on the entire hike. Not a lot of trash, either.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Jun 25, 2014 - 02:42pm PT
108 is closed in sonora--

5 acres in flames right behind the wal-mart

they've already got a chopper on it.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Jun 25, 2014 - 03:08pm PT
they've knocked it down.

as you were
Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Jun 28, 2014 - 10:00am PT
Nice to see this thread here. Quick references to info. when a fire starts. Info. is king and these are the areas everyone in fire looks at. I work in Seki fire doing logistics and its still pretty slow fire wise. But its like sitting inside of a box of matches as dry as it is. Here's another cool site to check out for fire stuff.

http://wildfiretoday.com/
RP3

Big Wall climber
Sonora
Jun 28, 2014 - 12:13pm PT
Photo a friend took of the great Walmart fire of 2014:
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Jun 28, 2014 - 01:37pm PT
MODIS has CA pretty quiet today.
The exception being this flare-up northwest of Placerville. This thing looks like it might have the slight potential to expand --- given that the temps will soar over the next few days. The wind speed outlook is fairly stable over the same period (wsw 7 mph)


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This fire in east Arizona is getting some national media coverage and has burned more than 5k acres:




neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jun 28, 2014 - 02:34pm PT
hey there say, khanom... good thread... thanks for starting this...
:)
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jun 28, 2014 - 06:06pm PT
use outdoor power equipment before 10am
Thanks for the reminder to get up early tomorrow for my brush clearing project.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jun 29, 2014 - 12:53pm PT
As a matter of fact I do have a recommendation.
I've got a 35 year old Husqvarna. It was a midsize model when I bought it. It can use either string or a cutting blade.
It gets about 40 hours use a year. Gave me trouble for the first time this year when it wouldn't start - no fuel. I went down to my local Husky guy who's been selling/repairing for 40 years or so. He sold me (for very few bucks) a new fuel filter and fuel lines. Suggested I take apart the carburetor and check for corrosion on a tiny screen filter. Didn't find any corrosion, replaced fuel lines and filter and BANG. Back to work again.

My wife was almost hoping I couldn't fix it so she could get the brand new model for $450. She does most of the weed whacking. We do a total of about 2 acres a year on rough ground.
I've got three Husky saws that have also never needed a major repair.

I'm guessing your work is moderate duty. Lots of area, dense, tough weeds, minimal brush. I'd suggest the Husky. Get the brush cutter blade if you think you'll be needing it. I've cut through manzanita (very tough wood) as thick as my thumb.
Whichever brush cutter you get, use the Husky string. It's far far better than any other string I've used. Cut's better and lasts much longer.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jun 30, 2014 - 03:23pm PT
http://cdfdata.fire.ca.gov/incidents/incidents_details_info?incident_id=987
Big brush fire adjacent to homes in southern San Jose.
If anyone remembers the Mazzones boulders, it's on the southeast side of that ridge.
Besides Santa Clara county units, CalFire is dispatching engines from all over Santa Cruz county and southern San Mateo county.
They're calling engines for structure protection.

My local Saratoga Summit crew (2 wildland engines and a 3000 gallon tanker) has gone to the Curie fire. An engine from Pescadero is being moved up to cover for them.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jun 30, 2014 - 03:30pm PT
My newest Husky is an arborist's saw from 2007. It's been fine. It has a plastic cover over the spark plug which got cracked in use. I replaced it for about $10.
Otherwise no trouble.
That's a very useful saw. I probably put more hours on it than my other two saws combined.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 1, 2014 - 05:47pm PT
Curie fire was 100% contained by the time I went to bed.

New much more dangerous fire in NE Napa County
[quote]http://cdfdata.fire.ca.gov/incidents/incidents_details_info?incident_id=988[/quote]
It's gone from 400 to 1000 acres in a few hours.

There are a few SuperTopoeans from Napa County.
One I know from Angwin about 5 miles of open land S of this fire.
This image was at 5:30 PM today

Angwin in lower right corner
Mt Saint Helena in upper left just under the MODIS info
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 2, 2014 - 09:32am PT
yeah, the names
Rim (of the world)
Butts (road)

looks as if Butts Fire is moving NE away from towns/villages. Just a very few ranches are in it's path. So far

Our local CalFire chief was at our firesafe council meeting last night.
They're really not looking forward to July 4th with the extremely low fuel moisture.

Cal Fire, CHP, State Park and Regional Open Space LEOs are going to be all over the SCruz mtns starting about 3 PM. They've already marked for 4th of July closure dozens of roadside turnouts along the county roads going up to Skyline Ridge (such as Page Mill Rd)

If you're coming up this way for the great fireworks views......you know what to do and not do.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Jul 2, 2014 - 07:20pm PT
Thought I would post my neighborhood fire from the Idaho Owyhee Desert Fire-ecosystem. It is the second of the year within a mile of where we live.

Another close call with a fire on the west-side of the Snake River this evening. A neighbor called about 5:30PM with the news, then I took these photos over the next two hours.

The fire is now under control, thanks to the efforts of our Choss Creek & Bliss firecrews, and some BLM folks. To my surprise, no air resources were employed.

However, the boldness of our firefighters stopped the fire. Great job folks. We really like and respect what you do! Thank you!








The fire is pretty much out now with a swarm of fire crews working to mop it up.

Just another day in a fire eco-system.

A single-engine aerial tanker is now flying around the fire looking for a place to drop a load of fire retardant. The fire is all but out, and the winds have dropped from 15-20 mph to near calm, although the temps are still at about 100 F.

I guess the pilot needs some Federal money for his fire-fighting efforts.

I am impressed! The fire crews fought the fire like in the good old days of the late 1960's, when I put myself through college working summers for Forest Service Fire Crews.

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 2, 2014 - 07:27pm PT
There's a fire in the San Jacinto wilderness (near Idyllwild) that started yesterday...called the 'Cornell Peak' fire....apparently started by a lost hiker, who started a 'signal fire'...
JOEY.F

Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
Jul 2, 2014 - 08:51pm PT
Yes the Butts fire looks still to be only 30 pct contained.
And meanwhile,



Under smokey skies in almost as dry Sonoma County the vets are still selling.
Just do not understand this...
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 3, 2014 - 10:23am PT
Our CalFire district chief was very unhappy that Gilroy and Watsonville both still allow "safe and sane" fireworks (oxymoron anyone?)
Both towns, especially Gilroy have dry grassy hills and forests coming to the edge of town.
Brilliant!

We'll be in SF for the day and evening watching fireworks over the Bay with friends. Hope my place is still intact when we get home.

Butts fire now 4300 acres and still only 30% contained. Notice the great leap to the North due to spotting. Something like 1/2 mile.
Looks as if it's cooling off.

clarification: "contained" in CalFire speak means a fire line all the way around a fire. Sometimes containment isn't reached until the fire is mostly burnt out.
It's not "out" until there are no, none, zero, zilch "smokes". The Rim fire was still not out last year two weeks after it was 100% contained.
bergbryce

climber
East Bay, CA
Jul 5, 2014 - 09:20pm PT
Driving back to the bay on 80 this evening.
Apologies for photo quality. The fire was easily visible from the freeway.
If the news reports last night of the half dozen plus small conflagrations are any indication, it's going to be a long summer.

Mungeclimber

Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
Jul 5, 2014 - 10:15pm PT
looks like the Berryessa fire. Really irritates the lungs.



small one up on 108

http://www.mymotherlode.com/news/local/214741/fire-stanislaus-national-forest-2-2.html
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 7, 2014 - 09:05pm PT
A large number of small fires today. None of the new ones particularly large, at least so far.
On Saturday there was about the most unusual fire ever.
Guy and wife drive Mercedes SUV up to Castle Rock. On approach, the Merc overheats. Guy parks it on the roadside parking and goes hiking with wife. Reasonably expecting to return later to a useful vehicle.

No such luck. Sometime after it had been left behind, the car self-immolated, burned to a hollow shell and torched the car next to it.

Guy and wife return while CalFire is still putting down the flames.
So if you come up to Castle Rock before the next big rain, don't be surprised by the huge scorch on the side of the ditch.
Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Jul 11, 2014 - 02:54pm PT
Forest Service has a nice column showing in the Domelands today!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 11, 2014 - 03:07pm PT
Ron, I'm not out to start something but isn't early July a little early to
say it is a 'dead' fire year? Isn't the driest part of the year yet to come?
klk

Trad climber
cali
Jul 11, 2014 - 04:13pm PT
Seems to be a trend of smaller fires this year- and, looking back at history i was involved in, the latter drought years of any dry period were typically like this.

It is due to a far lesser amount of small fuels, like grasses and small plants due to dryer winters and less moist springs of drought periods. Less fuel= less spread component..

geohistorically, that seems to be the case. karen ingram and other folks have found that most of the largest fires/fire seasons (depending on definition) seem to occur a season or two after a snowy winter due to the increased small fuel load.

and mega floods tend to correlate with drought years because most drought years are also warmer years, which means that snowpack can get catastrophically melted by unusually warm late winter/early spring storms.

but i wouldn't bet my ass on a casual fire season in the sierra, because we've also had other unusual conditions, i.e., historically unusual winds. and above treeline, we still have a century of overgrowth plus the remnants from that last wet winter a few seasons back.



Flip Flop

Trad climber
Truckee, CA
Jul 11, 2014 - 04:41pm PT
Knowitall Runt Angerson will hurl insults at anyone who disputes him.
The statistics this year show that this years 24k acres to date is 50% higher than the 5 year average of 18k acres burned to date.

Authoritarianism defined! He really believes his own spew despite all factual evidence that he is constantly wrong. He doesn't like "statistics" or"science" or "facts" because they contradict his authority.


http://cdfdata.fire.ca.gov/incidents/incidents_stats?year=2014
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 14, 2014 - 10:10am PT
That guy was a pot grower, the ecological scourge of NorCal.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 14, 2014 - 10:19am PT
Khanom is a Cali-centric bully! Nyah nyah! :0)

I got news for ya, Old GreeleyFriendly, the world's center ain't in Tuolumne County, nor in Mariposa County, but somewhere north of there.

Big Mike knows...

http://www.660news.com/2014/07/11/wildfire-season-in-alberta/
"MacDonnell said if you are out on an ATV make sure your exhaust is clean and if you are camping put out your fire."

Damn sure isn't in Nevada.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 14, 2014 - 02:38pm PT
Two Santa Cruz/San Mateo county dozer crews were sent to the Bully fire in Shasta County this morning. That's a long way to be calling for that kind of help. It'll take them all afternoon and evening to get there.
One of my local CalFire crews returned last Friday from a week on the 6500 acre Monticello fire.

Pot grower or not, the Bully fire was started by a trail of sparks or something similar from a truck.
Don't underestimate the ability of a hot exhaust or catalytic converter, or a chainsaw or weed whacker to ignite hot extremely dry grasses and brush.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Jul 14, 2014 - 05:31pm PT
Some uninformed person above wrote:
"Knowitall Runt Angerson will hurl insults at anyone who disputes him.
The statistics this year show that this years 24k acres to date is 50% higher than the 5 year average of 18k acres burned to date.
Authoritarianism defined! He really believes his own spew despite all factual evidence that he is constantly wrong. He doesn't like "statistics" or"science" or "facts" because they contradict his authority. "

I realize this person probably does not know the difference between a chainsaw and a weedwacker, and may not realize that there are other states besides California, but here are some interesting "statistics" from the National Interagency Fire Center:

Year-to-date statistics
2014 (1/1/14 - 7/14/14) Fires: 29,256 Acres: 1,042,816

2013 (1/1/13 - 7/14/13) Fires: 24,719 Acres: 2,001,596
2012 (1/1/12 - 7/14/12) Fires: 32,238 Acres: 3,554,411
2011 (1/1/11 - 7/14/11) Fires: 40,051 Acres: 5,812,728
2010 (1/1/10 - 7/14/10) Fires: 33,496 Acres: 1,679,327
2009 (1/1/09 - 7/14/09) Fires: 51,584 Acres: 2,425,934
2008 (1/1/08 - 7/14/08) Fires: 48,059 Acres: 3,173,833
2007 (1/1/07 - 7/14/07) Fires: 51,334 Acres: 2,902,381
2006 (1/1/06 - 7/14/06) Fires: 63,322 Acres: 4,126,245
2005 (1/1/05 - 7/14/05) Fires: 33,161 Acres: 3,156,423
2004 (1/1/05 - 7/14/05) Fires: 41,756 Acres: 3,444,561

Annual average prior 10 years 2004-2013 Fires: 41,972 Acres: 3,227,744

Here is the link, click on the highlighted text and your browser should take you to the table:
http://www.nifc.gov/fireInfo/nfn.htm

I am certainly not a mathematician, but from what I gather from the above data, this is indeed an abnormally slow year for the last decade, for large fire years in the United States as a whole.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 14, 2014 - 06:47pm PT
It is due to a far lesser amount of small fuels, like grasses and small plants due to dryer winters and less moist springs of drought periods. Less fuel= less spread component..
I've been thinking the same thing. Watching my neighbor's big meadow this year there is a much lower fuel load than most years. On the other hand it's been tinder dry since mid-June.

BUT....
CalFire hired their summer staff 2 months early this year, increased their year round staff and have been All Over every small fire in the Bay area.
Last week I was monitoring a CalFire inmate crew on our Skyline Blvd shaded fuel break project when the two crews got called to a fire down in Stevens Canyon. About 3 miles as the mountain bike plummets but 10 road miles from where we were working. Before the crews could get their tools put away and line up they were cancelled. When the local fire company got to the fire they were able to deal with it themselves.
They're not taking any chances.

None of the fires so far in NCal have been really bad but there have been many more this early.

Another anecdote. A local CalFire captain's CalFire son was on that big San Diego area fire in early May. His small team of about 6 were out on the line when a blowup chased them back down the fire road on foot. Two of them got seriously singed but luckily not hospitalized.
Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Jul 14, 2014 - 07:29pm PT
We're all watching this monsoonal moisture coming through the area this week. Lighting in the foothills means fires and the front country is very dry!! I think technology has caught up with Wildfire some. Besides Planes and Helicopters we now have lighting maps on the computer that shows EVERY strike in the park, Positive or Negative. We can fly the area and see pretty fast if there's anything.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Jul 15, 2014 - 05:29am PT
Fair enough, khanom.

I understand that much of California is in "extreme to exceptional drought". I would be be concerned, too, if I were in your shoes. Fire season is not yet over for this state.

Here is a pic of the Bully Fire, west of Redding, the afternoon that it broke out (Friday July 11).


klk

Trad climber
cali
Jul 15, 2014 - 08:36am PT
In California fuel moisture is at record lows. In my neck of the woods generally observation will discern NO difference in the amount of grass or ground-level fuels. In fact up here in the foothills near Yosemite we had a couple of late season rains that really boosted growth of these fuels.

yeah, seems to be the case throughout the foothills/gold country.

i dont know about the coast range.

we've also had really unusual wind conditions-- calfire and locals have been putting up the kind of hours you usually see only in the height of fire season. they seem to be scrambling air support for each and every report in tuco. even without another rimfire this season, we will be well over an "average" fire budget statewide.
Keith Leaman

Trad climber
Jul 15, 2014 - 11:23am PT
Just plugging Miles Wilson's latest novel Fire Season. Miles was on the Dalton Hot Shot crew in the Angeles Natl' Forest about the same time I was there-mid 1960s. Available through Amazon and Barnes & Noble. Looking forward to reading it. Paul Gleason and Chuck Hartley are in the group charging up the hill on the cover. Back when orange was the old Nomex.
John M

climber
Jul 15, 2014 - 08:25pm PT
there is a fire north west of Reno.. I don't know what its called but I can see the smoke from Reno.. There was lightning here yesterday.


PhilG

Trad climber
The Circuit, Tonasket WA
Jul 19, 2014 - 08:25am PT
Keith, cool plug for what looks like an interesting book. Chuck called to tell me about it and I immediately ordered a couple copies.

Khanom, your right. At this point a very worrisome wildfire scene here in North central Washington. Friday night in Pateros sounded like a true fire storm with the fire running down hill to engulf blocks of houses in minutes. How no one got hurt is hard to imagine. People grabbed their pets and minutes later their homes were in flames.

At this point the news is telling us there is 0 containment with winds up to 35 MPH today. The smoke is horrible. Brings back memories of growing up in Southern California!

Keith, as of last night, Jon's house in Leavenworth was still OK.
Chewybacca

Trad climber
Montana, Whitefish
Jul 19, 2014 - 08:46am PT
Those Washington fires are terrible. They are producing so much smoke that I cancelled my planned climb today here in Montana. My heart goes out to those folks who are losing their homes or having to evacuate.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Jul 19, 2014 - 09:57pm PT
Thanks for sharing that info graphic, Ron. I imagine that a lot of the California folks reading this thread don't realize that other parts of the country are subject to large fires such as those going on in the Pacific Northwest Region. Historically it is still relatively early to be seeing fires of such magnitude in those mountains.

I remember discussing earlier this year and your point that with prolonged, multi-year drought that we have experienced, there are much less fine fuels (i.e. dried, cured grass) available to carry new starts. As you know this is particularly important in the brushier type fuels (such as the sage lands of Nevada / California). From what I have seen there have also been some significant monsoonal pushes which have probably laid down some moisture and created more humid conditions, which have helped prevent large fire growth in the Eastern Sierras / Western Great Basin (NV / CA).

One thing we might keep in mind in the heavier fuel loads (mountain timber areas) is that the pine duff component / needle cast, is extremely dry and can burn without significant grass growth. If you live near pine trees think about how "crunchy" it sounds when you are walking through the woods. In other words it would not surprise me at all if we see some megafires get started in the Sierra Range of California (like the Rim fire last summer) or more large fires in the Cascade Range further north. The season is just getting cranking in these areas. I think it all depends on the weather patterns over the next month or so. We shall see what happens.

Best of luck to all the firefighters and landowners out there in what could prove to be a challenging season.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:06pm PT
hey there, say, philG ... very sorry to hear about his fire situation... hope and prayers, that it gets contained and over with... :(
john bald

climber
Jul 20, 2014 - 10:05am PT
Keith, thanks for posting up about the book. Will search it out.
I too, was a Dalton Hot Shot and knew Chuck and Paul. Do you remember Woody Hite? He gave me my first job as firefighter on the Baldy District.
Keith Leaman

Trad climber
Jul 20, 2014 - 12:51pm PT
John~ I remember Woody. Thought I had a photo of him from the 2013 Dalton reunion, I'll keep looking for it. Rowley sent some good photos of Lew Yazzie, John Chakerian... Maybe you recall Walt Snegowski. He recently reminded me of a bouldering session at Stoney Point with Chouinard around '63, and tells me Royal Robbins once worked on a Mt Baldy tanker crew at one time!?

Here's an InciWeb map of the location of the Chiwhaukum Fire, near Leavenworth.
Phil~Is Dan on any of those fires? Miles sent this photo of Paul on the steep terrain of the Monkey Fire in 1965 where they slept while tied to trees. A young Gordon Rowley behind him.

klk

Trad climber
cali
Jul 20, 2014 - 02:25pm PT
that's a great pic, keith.

the old webbing belt, and the cig . . .
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 20, 2014 - 03:50pm PT
The Rim fire on Yosemite's northwest border and just down the road from Khanom last year went to 257,000 acres - 400 square miles!
That's a square 20 miles on each side. It burned for 2 months and a week. Started on 17 August and was still burning during Facelift in the last week in September.

I'm still not sure of the tradeoff between extremely dry fuel and sparse grasses. I live in a mix of grassland and forest. I'm seeing lots of branches turning brown already on oaks and firs. Fir branches are never supposed to turn brown. I think the fuel load not grown by the grasses is being replaced by freshly dying vegetation. Even the patch of coyote brush at the top of my driveway is turning brown.
PhilG

Trad climber
The Circuit, Tonasket WA
Jul 20, 2014 - 08:45pm PT
Keith,
Way cool picture, man! Looks like Paul was in his element. I sure miss him. We were lucky to have a person like him in our lives.
Yes, Dan is on the fire near Jon's house. The Carlton Complex fire seems to have quieted down, but the weather service is calling for thunder storms on Wednesday. Even for some of us who are used to living in "fire country" this is looking like a scary season. Keith, any chance you want to grab a shovel and hang out at my house?

NeeBee: Thanks for the positive thoughts. Three people who I've worked with for the last 20 years lost their homes. How does one help? What does one say to someone who watched all they own go up in flames?
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 22, 2014 - 06:18pm PT
I heard on the radio this AM the mid range forecast for central California, including the coast range is periodic thunderstorm activity for 2 or 3 weeks. Can't confirm it just now.

There has been really serious Tstorm activity in N Cal and S Oregon all afternoon.

Very interesting real time thunderstorm website. Very busy right now on a diagonal line from SWest to NEast Oregon.
http://www.blitzortung.org/Webpages/index.php?lang=en&page_0=30
Central Montana is getting hammered
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 24, 2014 - 06:35pm PT
Bay Area
Fires (more than one) at Hwy 9 and 236
This is where Castle Rock and Big Basin state parks come together.
Also a major commute from Bay Area to the San Lorenzo valley: Boulder Creek, Felton, Santa Cruz etc.

CalFire and County Fire all over it with the Alma Helitack chopper and crew.

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.
.

CRAP
just now they called out crews and dozers for a fire at 236 and China Grade in Big Basin State Park above Boulder Creek.

Arson suspected
looks easy from here

climber
Ben Lomond, CA
Jul 24, 2014 - 06:43pm PT
Holy crap, that's just up the hill from me-I'm on the volunteer FD the next town over from Boulder Creek. I heard sirens go by a bit ago (Felton CalFire passes us to get there). They haven't called us for mutual aid yet, which is probably (hopefully!) a good thing.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 24, 2014 - 06:50pm PT
You and I should get together sometime soon.

A friend is high on a ridge looking down on the area.
The new fire at China Grade was spotted by the Alma chopper getting ready to drop on the earlier fire at 236 and 9.
He wiped out the China grade fire instead.
There's also a fixed wing tanker on site now.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 24, 2014 - 07:32pm PT
All quiet now. Fires are probably at least contained.
JOEY.F

Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
Jul 25, 2014 - 06:07pm PT
Isn't Sand Ridge Rd in El Dorado County between Pville & Jackson?
Been a while,
So dry now I'm sure,,,,
Norwegian

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Jul 25, 2014 - 07:25pm PT
dingus that plume is right out my front window.
we're putting up a family whose been evacuated.

i'm emotionally prepared
to wail out a new anthem:

oh sweet nothing.
aint got nothing at all.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Jul 25, 2014 - 08:17pm PT
Ive been virtual watching 4 helicopters and 8 air tankers on this incident, it looks as to be a big one. There's much timber ahead, slope, and hot weather, too.

Best of luck to all involved.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Jul 25, 2014 - 08:31pm PT
out by the winery.

lotta stuff to burn out there as it moves east

bummer
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Jul 25, 2014 - 08:45pm PT
It's blowing up fast, view from our place in Camino at sun down North East of the fire and so it begins a major bummer.

Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Jul 26, 2014 - 05:29am PT
Triple digit temps today with 5-8 mph wind blowing out of the north and northeast. Safe passage for those in harms way. Thanks for the links khanom very helpful.

It appears the area burning is south of Sand Ridge Road based on the road names on Cal Fires incident site.
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Jul 26, 2014 - 07:21am PT
khanom, where's your place?
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jul 26, 2014 - 08:27am PT
What's happening with the fire near Plymouth this morning?

Is there a lot of smoke up at Placerville, or on 50 east? We were thinking of taking a visiting friend from AK out that way....
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jul 26, 2014 - 10:09am PT
Thanks K, that's EXACTLY the map I needed.

Fingers crossed for all the people and Fighters in that area.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 26, 2014 - 11:52am PT
hey there say, DMT... and sully... i JUST now learned about this 'sand fire'
will go see the links...

whewww... keeping you in my thoughts and prayers... and others in that area, as well...


the house-sitting... oh sully, three horses, :O to move out...
i remember when my brother matt had to move his horse out...
he could NOT get it into the trailer, and then, it has a slightly
touchy foot... he ended up walking it out, through the night,
quite a ways to some friends...


may you have safe open doors to get this down, if you have to... :(


DMT, if things get worse, do you have any options for help?

did not see yet, but who else, here, is near this?
:(




i think you all read this already (from the 25th) i think:



PLYMOUTH, Calif. (KCRA) —Firefighters were making progress Friday night containing a grass fire burning along the line that separates Amador and El Dorado counties.

Amador County fire
Amador County fire

Photo snapped at the Shenandoah Vineyards (July 25, 2014)
Photo courtesy Robert Sobon
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Flames from Highway 49 fire engulf home
Flames from Highway 49 fire engulf home

A grass fire in El Dorado and Amador counties burns a home off Highway 49 on Friday.
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The fire, which has forced evacuations for people who live along Sand Ridge Road and Freshwater Lane, was 20 percent contained as of 10:30 p.m., according to Cal Fire officials.

The Sand Fire, as it is called, has burned 1,300 acres and destroyed at least two structures.

View #SandFire photos

Between 200 and 250 people have been evacuated, according to El Dorado County sheriff's officials.

An evacuation center has been setup at the El Dorado County Fairgrounds in Placerville. Evacuated animals are also being sheltered at the fairgrounds.

Sheriff's officials are asking evacuees to enter the fairgrounds from Forni Road on the side of the Denny's Restaurant.

Highway 49 remains open throughout the area.

Watch report: Wildfire burns on border of Amador-El Dorado counties

A massive plume of smoke was visible for at least 50 miles Friday afternoon.

KCRA's Mark Finan said satellite imagery showed smoke drifting into El Dorado, Nevada and Placer counties.

LiveCopter 3 flew over the scene Friday evening, where it appeared the fire was burning on both sides of the Cosumnes River.

Firefighters are battling steep terrain under dry and hot conditions. Temperatures, which were in the triple digits when the fire started in the afternoon, remained in the 80s throughout the evening.

Residents and visitors to the area have been told to be prepared and aware of the unfolding situation, said Lynne Tolmachoff, a spokeswoman for the state's fire department. More evacuation orders are possible.

Story Winery sits to the south of where the fire is burning. An employee at the winery said flames came within 200 yards, but as of Friday evening, the fire was moving away from that area.

The blaze started about 4:30 p.m., just north of Plymouth, in a very remote area.

Access is tough for Cal Fire crews, Tolmachoff said. Also posing a challenge to firefighters is how high the blaze is burning. Many treetops are on fire.

Air tankers and helicopters were flying over the Gold Beach area Friday afternoon.

Overnight, fire crews will use bulldozers to cut fire lines in an effort to stop the blaze from spreading, Cal Fire officials said.

The fire is about 45 miles east of Sacramento. The cause of the fire remains under investigation. Dry, thick brush and oak trees are fueling the blaze.

Early reports indicate a vehicle fire may have spread to some nearby vegetation, sparking the massive blaze, officials said.

Ten fire engines and two command officers from Sacramento County headed out to the Amador region Friday evening, including units from Cosumnes, Sac Metro, Folsom and Wilton Fire.

Sand Ridge Road is closed.

Read more: http://www.kcra.com/news/grass-fire-in-amador-co-kicks-up-massive-smoke-plume/27156260#ixzz38bP1FabG


it was from this link (shared by khanom):

http://hotlist.wildlandfire.com/threads/41950-CA-AEU-Sand

lead me to the article one here:

http://www.kcra.com/news/grass-fire-in-amador-co-kicks-up-massive-smoke-plume/27156260#!bm9OOE
john bald

climber
Jul 26, 2014 - 12:47pm PT
Keith....Worked with all those guys you mentioned. Still have the orange fire shirt. Much respect for Chuck, Yazzie, Gordon and Woody. No respect for Chakerian! Johnny Miles the cook was a hoot. Brought that military work ethic into the kitchen at the bunk house. Watch out if you got an Jonny's bad side during KP. Never knew RR worked up there on the Baldy!

My wife's last year with the FS (33 years). She is currently driving computers up on the Washington fires.
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Jul 26, 2014 - 02:29pm PT
This is a great thread. Thanks for starting it.

Us SoCal folk now get to sit out the season and hope that the Angeles Crest, Big Bear, Lake Arrowhead etc don't go up. With the amount of Bark Beetle damage up there... Oh boy.
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Jul 26, 2014 - 04:15pm PT
Bad news.
WBraun

climber
Jul 26, 2014 - 06:01pm PT
Yep

They're evacuating Foresta as we speak ......
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Jul 26, 2014 - 08:28pm PT
It sounds as if it is really heating up in the Sierra Nevada Range. It is almost as if some mega fires are starting to brew, best of luck all the way around these beasts.
John M

climber
Jul 26, 2014 - 09:03pm PT
any update on the el portal fire. does it have a name?

edit: Just heard it is called the El Portal fire.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 26, 2014 - 10:07pm PT
Hey Sully,

I've been in that position.

Having owned animals I would have been incapable of evacuating myself, ( donkey and goats ) I was advised to let them out of their corral, and close the gate behind them so they can't get back "home". They stand a better chance of making good survival decisions when they can't retreat back to what's always been their safe place.

Good luck. There's only so much you can do, and that's what stinks the most about these things.
John M

climber
Jul 26, 2014 - 10:14pm PT
Wildfire Near Yosemite Forces Road Closures, Evacuations
July 26, 2014
Evacuations are in place for the community of Foresta as firefighters battle a wildfire outside Yosemite National Park.
The fire started Saturday around 4:30 p.m. and now covers approximately 500 acres.
It is burning in the Merced Canyon, and has been named the “El Portal Fire.”
The closure of Highway 120, between Crane Flat and the Highway 120/140 junction has been ordered. The community of Foresta has been ordered evacuated.
Many resources have been ordered to attack the fire: ground crews, air craft, and helicopters. More resources will arrive throughout the evening.

Khanom.. this is what I have from a friend in the Park. 140 is not closed. Roads off of it are closed and 120 is closed from the intersection of 140 to crane flat. So one can't get to the meadows from the valley or exit out your way from the valley.

this is the information on road closures from the sierra runtimes..

Road Closure Information 7/26/2014 18:30
Hwy 140 through Yosemite National Park is Open.
Foresta Rd is closed at Hwy 140
Crane Creek Rd is closed at Hwy 140
Hwy 120 closed at Hwy 140
Hwy 120 closed at Crane Flat

http://goldrushcam.com/sierrasuntimes/index.php/news/local-news/65-fire-in-el-portal-near-yosemite-national-park-on-saturday-july-26-2014
klk

Trad climber
cali
Jul 26, 2014 - 10:32pm PT
good luck, sully.

went through the soft evac/hard evac last year.

the sheriff's live feed is worth keeping on. cant trust everything you hear on it, cuz they're talking in real time

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/16015
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Jul 26, 2014 - 11:24pm PT
*
An El Portal friend took this picture today from Glacier point rd. and looking toward Merced canyon and Foresta..
I heard through FB, that my friends homes in Foresta are safe.. so far.....
Hoping the best for the Foresta community.
JOEY.F

Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
Jul 26, 2014 - 11:43pm PT
^^
yes, it's looking intense...
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Jul 27, 2014 - 12:01am PT
The silver lining on this thing is that daytime temps will be going down over the next few days, winds are light to moderate, and the humidity is going up. There's even a slight chance of precip on Monday.

neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 27, 2014 - 12:26am PT
hey there say, does anyone know if lynda's in el portal is okay???

i will look, for any reports, or for facebook and email,

i had been off line, with my grandson here...

oh my, very sad to hear this...
nita, good to hear that so far, foresta is okay...


i have a friend in the sand fire area and am praying for him
and his lively hood, etc...

did not know how bad these have gotten, was hoping folks would
not need to evac...

sully, dear gal, watching another's home and critters, huge huge
responsibility, and am wishing and praying all the best, best, for
you...


hard, the horses... :(


edit:
DMT, are you well, so far, there??
will backtrack and read...
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jul 27, 2014 - 12:30am PT
http://hotlist.wildlandfire.com/threads/41974-CA-YNP-El-Portal

Live feed: http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/2278/web

fingers crossed...
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 27, 2014 - 12:34am PT
hey there say, k-man... thanks so much for the link...

prayer for all...


say, k-man, that link just mentioned oakhurst, though "capped out"
what does this mean...


is oakhurst near any fire danger, too, or not?
thanks... worried about property there, of family...
enjoimx

Trad climber
SLO
Jul 27, 2014 - 08:26am PT
Valley right now. Looking up at the falls
John M

climber
Jul 27, 2014 - 09:34am PT
http://www.mariposagazette.com/news/2014-07-24/Front_Page/Fire_raging_near_El_Portal.html

The park is saying that the El Portal fire has grown to 2100 acres.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Jul 27, 2014 - 09:49am PT
The Dark Hole fire has cooled down somewhat and it's extent has remained roughly unchanged

The El Portal fire is limited in extent but still burning hot.


Here is today's Wunderground data for that area:


These are fairly decent numbers as compared to the conditions leading up to Saturday.
The 35% humidity for 11 pm looks real good.
YosemiteSteve

Trad climber
CA
Jul 27, 2014 - 09:53am PT
Some friends lost their home in Foresta yesterday...waiting to hear more today.

"Structures lost in Foresta, damage assessment is ongoing, Foresta remains evacuated. Mandatory evacuation of Old El Portal occurred at 1:00 am on Saturday night. "

http://yubanet.com/CAFires/El_Portal.php
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jul 27, 2014 - 11:14am PT
Leading edge of Sand Fire smoke plume.

Taken late Saturday afternoon, half way between Foresthill and French Meadows.












jstan

climber
Jul 27, 2014 - 11:30am PT
You have 734 working it! When I saw that puppy go overhead here in SB I knew we had a good chance.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 27, 2014 - 03:50pm PT
hey there say, yosemitesteve...

hope lynda, and her house in el portal, and place in foresta, are okay...
had emailed them, a bit agao...

thanks for updates, everyone...


khanom, thanks for the oakhurst update...
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Jul 27, 2014 - 06:18pm PT
Sand Fire apparently was started by someone driving over dry grass....
John M

climber
Jul 27, 2014 - 06:53pm PT
So whats the latest on the El Portal fire? Seems like it blew up big and fast and then sort of died. Does anyone know if inciweb has it or cal fire?
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 27, 2014 - 07:00pm PT
I don't have any recent news, John. We were camped in White Wolf, and left early this morning to make sure we could get out to the west. Needless to say, it was a rather long trip back to Fresno.

There was still a lot of smoke this morning, but there seemed to be even more smoke coming from the west of the Park entrance. I'm glad to hear the Dark Hole fire is behaving, because this morning, they were saying in White Wolf that it, too, might be going out of control.

Why was Bridalveil Creek closed? Lack of water, perhaps?

Thanks.

John
jogasian

Sport climber
San Jose, CA
Jul 27, 2014 - 10:44pm PT
Not related to any of the fires currently burning but I took this video near the top of North Dome yesterday. It took the chopper barley 10 minutes to arrive after we called it in. It's amazing how accurate these guys are, it was pretty windy!

http://youtu.be/bpeIL7r_eOs
bergbryce

climber
East Bay, CA
Jul 27, 2014 - 11:01pm PT
/\

is that the right clip? that is some overdone cables route footage. i love the dramatic music only to reach the top and see dozens of other hikers there eating lunch.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 28, 2014 - 07:29am PT
The El Portal fire's pall over the SJV was pretty bad.
YosemiteSteve

Trad climber
CA
Jul 28, 2014 - 10:20am PT
Torlano also posted this pic of a burnt Corolla next to the Flying Spur house that he saved in Foresta, with a comment that he was glad the full propane tank didn't blow!
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 28, 2014 - 10:27am PT
http://www.nps.gov/yose/photosmultimedia/webcams.htm
http://www.nps.gov/yohttp://www.nps.gov/yose/photosmultimedia/webcams.htm
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Jul 28, 2014 - 10:42am PT
The El Portal fire has grown in extent , especially to the N and NW
The Dark Hole fire is heating up a little on one of its northern flanks.

Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Jul 28, 2014 - 01:40pm PT
This is the MODIS profile for the last couple of hours.
Looks like they've gotten the earlier NW flank down for now , but a section north and west of Foresta is heating up. The wind is shifting around a lot more than yesterday's prediction.
At 2 pm it's out of the wsw at 8 mph. Also the temps are much higher than predicted---but then so is the humidity.


doughnutnational

Gym climber
its nice here in the spring
Jul 28, 2014 - 02:40pm PT
There is a fire burning between rock creek and fish creek campgrounds near North Fork ca. 500+ acres (French fire) . Tankers have been flying over all afternoon and the plume of smoke is visible. It looks like it could rain and I sure hope it does.
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Jul 28, 2014 - 02:42pm PT
For the SoYo gang - got a 500 acre and growing fire south of Mammoth Pool Reservoir - Rock Creek and Fish Creek campgrounds are evacuated. Talked to bud of mine on the Bass Lake FD who says Minarets Road will be closed any minute now. But they will be hitting it hard after last years big burn at mammoth Pool itself.

http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/4013/

Edit - ^^^^beat me to it.
labrat

Trad climber
Auburn, CA
Jul 28, 2014 - 03:52pm PT
Thanks for the update people. Good thoughts going out to people that are being pushed around by the fires...
Erik
Dick Erb

climber
June Lake, CA
Jul 28, 2014 - 05:01pm PT
Thanks for that post Khanom.
And Jason Torlano way to go old buddy.
BooDawg

Social climber
Butterfly Town
Jul 28, 2014 - 05:10pm PT
Saturday, July 26th when I took my tour to Glacier Point there was a week-old fire update posted on an information board which included a map of the fires currently burning in Yosemite, The fires were ignited by lightning by a series of storms during the week of July 16th. On the map those fires are marked with small red fire symbols; some of the fires’ names are labeled.


When we got out to Glacier Point, I could see that the Dark Hole Fire on upper Yosemite Creek had grown considerably in the previous 48 hours; we could even see flames with binoculars. However, I could not get the flames on a picture.


After leaving Glacier Point, we went down to Yosemite Valley to view the scenic wonders of the Valley. After walking up to the pool beneath Lower Yosemite Fall, we drove down the Valley toward El Capitan where we saw a HUGE smoke plume from somewhere down the canyon. Thus, Ken decided to forego the usual stop near El Capitan Meadow and continue toward El Portal, to decrease the likelihood or being trapped by a possible closure of Hwy 140.


When we arrived at Yosemite View Lodge, where some of our guests were staying, we could see flames above the hillside and helicopters sucking water from the Merced River and flying over the ridge to deliver their water loads onto the fire out of our sight.



Occasionally, the fire would come over the ridge toward Yosemite View Lodge,, but then it would retreat out of our view.


More photos can be seen here: http://www.yosemitecloseup.com/stories/yosemite-news/
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 29, 2014 - 02:42am PT
hey there, all...

here is our 'chicken skinner' with a quote in this article, that i just saw:

i been worried about extended family, lynda, etc... and was looking for more updates:

here is the quote, and the link so you can go read it:

http://www.yourcentralvalley.com/story/d/story/evacuated-residents-in-el-portal-get-update-on-fir/10061/qLS3dEA100yH-XrbHRDdew


"I've been through four or five of these fires over the last 20 years. It's always a concern, but we've always held up pretty well around here. And the fire crews are pretty amazing around here," said Ken Yaeger who was forced to evacuate.

Yaeger came back to see if he could pick up some items from his home. Even though he has confidence in the skills of fire fighters, the drought, and extremely dry conditions have him worried.

"I'm sure everybody in the foothills is going to be concerned, it's going to be a bad year," Yaeger said.
looks easy from here

climber
Ben Lomond, CA
Jul 29, 2014 - 10:13am PT
What I woke up to yesterday morning:
Yikes! Glad we weren't planning on staying any longer. As we were heading out we met a couple heading in. We told them we saw a fire, hope their trip goes okay.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Jul 29, 2014 - 10:16am PT
Temps are down and humidity is up for these fires, although winds might be a little gusty today.
Looks like the northern flank of the El Portal fire is presently being driven by S/SW gusts.
The wind is expected to shift around to the NW later today .
The Dark Hole fire has looked much,much better the last 2 days. It's cooling down and hasn't expanded appreciably.

There's even a prediction of 10% rain there tomorrow. Even if it doesn't rain at least its an indication there'll be a lot more moisture in the air. If the wind behaves itself and there are not a whole lot of fire lightning strikes ,then the overall outlook is good . At least for now.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 29, 2014 - 03:49pm PT
El Portal fire suppression from the air. Probably veteran crews from last year's Rim fire, I'm thinking.Second go-round an hour and twenty minutes later.Get some!
5:10 p.m., yet one more trip into the airport. For a total of at least four RTs this afternoon.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 29, 2014 - 06:24pm PT
hey there, say, all... thanks for the updates...


thanks DMT for the sand fire info...

and, say, sully... how is the horses/situaiton... ?
hope all is well...
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 29, 2014 - 09:23pm PT
Sleep well.
kaholatingtong

Trad climber
Nevada City
Jul 29, 2014 - 09:39pm PT
nice fire susnset shot mouse.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 29, 2014 - 10:19pm PT
hey there say, mouse... yes, and that plane, too...
oh my...

very nice work, to share all this ...

thank you!
CKR

climber
Jul 30, 2014 - 08:41am PT
http://abc30.com/news/crews-make-gains-on-2-california-wildfires/227414/

Caught this on local news last night. They interview ron kauk at around the 1:50 mark.

Chris
klk

Trad climber
cali
Jul 30, 2014 - 09:05am PT
unreal thunder and lightning in sonora last night. like unreal-- like high in the alps-style thunder and lightning.

one small fire and folks watching for others to pop.
mike m

Trad climber
black hills
Jul 30, 2014 - 09:16am PT
Man I feel bad for you guys, but strangely it has not bee that way up here the last few years. The first Decade I lived here we had massive blazes yearly but not so much the last 10 years. This year we had late snow, cool temps and a fair amount of rain. The forest or what is left of it after fires and beatle kill is now a jungle of bushes, weeds and fallen down trees in many places. Anyway I hope this all dies down soon.
looks easy from here

climber
Ben Lomond, CA
Jul 30, 2014 - 09:26am PT
unreal thunder and lightning in sonora last night. like unreal-- like high in the alps-style thunder and lightning.

I ran up to Grass Valley yesterday, and kept watching the clouds build in my mirrors for most of the drive home. I wondered if they'd amount to anything. They blew up fast and looked pretty angry, so I'm not too surprised that they did.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 30, 2014 - 11:29am PT
Thunderstorms over the N. Sierra from Tahoe North and southern San Joaquin Valley right now.
Some may find this website interesting or even useful.
Or possibly yet another internet time sink
http://www.blitzortung.org/Webpages/index.php?lang=en&page_0=30
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 30, 2014 - 11:30am PT
Several small recent fires in Santa Cruz mts and east San Jose area in past ten days seem of suspicious origin.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 30, 2014 - 12:07pm PT
Totally dry here on Castle Rock Ridge. Only 0.6" rain since April 6.
Threatened rain on last Fri-Sat-Sun. I watched the distant small curtains of rain evaporate before ever reaching the ground.
At least we didn't get lightning!
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Jul 30, 2014 - 12:12pm PT
The 4 main fires in this area, Sand, French, El Portal, Dark Hole are all cooling down into the MODIS yellow. At least for now




All Props to the hardworking fire crews in harms way.
splitclimber

climber
Sonoma County
Jul 30, 2014 - 02:27pm PT

yikes, where did el cap go?

sorry to be so Yosemite-centric, but any guesses as to the opening of 120 into the valley? It doesn't seem likely for the weekend.



John M

climber
Jul 30, 2014 - 02:32pm PT
I woke up this morning to rain drops on my sleeping bag here in Wawona. I was sleeping on a friends porch. I packed up my stuff and then it didn't rain. Guess I should have kept my stuff outside. haha.. Now it is very smokey here.

Would modis be showing that fires cool down at night? Because based on the smoke, things sure seem to be going here.
Daphne

Trad climber
Northern California
Jul 30, 2014 - 02:59pm PT
I've been monitoring 120 due to a plan to head over to Tuolumne on Thursday. Cal.gov says there's no closure-- is this not accurate?
BooDawg

Social climber
Butterfly Town
Jul 30, 2014 - 03:03pm PT
At this time there is no access to Tioga Pass from either Hwy 120 at Crane Flat or Hwy 140 via the Big Oak Flat Rd. Now if you want to get to Tuolumne Mdws by car, Hwy 395 is the only option!
John M

climber
Jul 30, 2014 - 03:03pm PT
Daphne..

Edit: Boodawg is correct. I just called the park road info line.

wow.. this just changed.

120 is closed from the big oak flat entrance coming from Groveland to highway 140 in the valley. The only access to the meadows is from 395.



Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Jul 30, 2014 - 03:29pm PT
Here's most of the Sierra Fire Lookout Webcams in one look.

http://www.mtdiablocam.com/sierralookouts.htm
splitclimber

climber
Sonoma County
Jul 30, 2014 - 03:47pm PT
oh no!
Daphne

Trad climber
Northern California
Jul 30, 2014 - 04:57pm PT
Supertopo is where I go for my news :)

108 to 395 it is.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 30, 2014 - 04:59pm PT
Conflicting 120 info.
Right now, YNP road conditions
Closed from Big Oak Flat Entrance to Crane Flat (Hodgdon Meadow Campground is accessible from the west)
120 is not open at the Big Oak Flat entrance.

120 IS open via 41/140
ioga Road
(continuation of Highway 120 through the park)
(Information about Highway 120 outside Yosemite)
No access from Hwy 120 from the west (but is accessible via Hwys 41 and 140 from the west)
Expect delays

go figuah
There's construction on 120 at Ellery Lake, east of Tioga Pass with traffic delays.

Best place to keep up to date:
http://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/conditions.htm
klk

Trad climber
cali
Jul 30, 2014 - 05:40pm PT
they might just be moving a lot of assets around crane flat heliport.

got rained on at kennedy meadows today-- yesterday's t-storms were so intense that middle fork (what's left of it) looked like Big Muddy. huge sediment dumps-- if the trout survive, yr not going to want to eat them.

fair bit of smoke from pinecrest to kennedy earlier, but it cleared out a bit as the day went on.
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Jul 30, 2014 - 05:47pm PT
The current map suggests that the section of road from Crane Flat to 140 (Big Oak Flat Road) has been reopened.
But since the fire perimeter is moving closer, I'm not confident this is true (or stable).
rwedgee

Ice climber
canyon country,CA
Jul 30, 2014 - 05:54pm PT
khanom used to get mad about motorcycles/OHV's and even airplanes making too much noise now he wants more traffic and cars ??
Did you sell out or what ?
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 30, 2014 - 05:56pm PT
hey there say, ... had not heard any thing more on the sand-fire...

anyone got anything to share, please?
thanks, :)
Mike Bolte

Trad climber
Planet Earth
Jul 30, 2014 - 06:30pm PT
whether it makes sense in the context of the fire and winds, looks like the bottom line is you can get to Tuolumne right now (Wednesday evening) via 41 or 140 to the Valley then up Big Oak Flat road to Crane Flat and up 120 to Tmds.
JOEY.F

Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
Jul 30, 2014 - 06:53pm PT
North Bay via 108 looks like the best option to Tuolumne
Khanom...best with the farm & thanks for the "go to" thread


HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 30, 2014 - 07:40pm PT
<OT rant>
Trains of Harleys with open pipes streaming over 120 in Tuol Mdws is repugnant.
Says the (relatively quiet) motorcycle rider.
You could substitute racing pipes Rice Burners except they are only loud when at open throttle. Unlike Hawgs which are nearly as loud at 2000 rpm as at 5000 rpm.
<end OT rant>
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Jul 30, 2014 - 08:51pm PT
You biker haters got something against retired Dentists and fat Vietnam Veterans?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jul 30, 2014 - 10:31pm PT
Biker haters...? No , just wanna be poseurs that dress up in leather and try to look bad...Lame..!
wstmrnclmr

Trad climber
Bolinas, CA
Jul 30, 2014 - 11:05pm PT
The latest from the NPS site say 120 closed from Big Oak Flat entrance to valley (140 intersection) is closed. So no Tuolumne from this side?
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 30, 2014 - 11:13pm PT
hey there say, khanom... wow, thanks, say, thanks so much!
for sharing...

night now...
prayers still for fire-stuff situations...
wstmrnclmr

Trad climber
Bolinas, CA
Jul 30, 2014 - 11:15pm PT
Read further back...Got it.
John M

climber
Jul 31, 2014 - 12:46pm PT
very smokey in Wawona today.

Anyone know of a decent current smoke map? I can't figure out which fire this smoke is coming from. With a west southwest wind, the El Portal fire smoke should be blowing away from us. and the French fire should be too far east.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 31, 2014 - 12:48pm PT
Lodge LCA fire started yesterday on the upper Eel River NW of Laytonville.
Now at 85 acres.
It's 6 miles and 1 ridge W of my son's previous summer camp: Camp Winnarainbow. My wife nurses there every summer. Her shift was a month ago.
We have good friends just south of Laytonville, she's the head nurse at Winnarainbow

Good luck up there Wavy and Johannara, Jundi and the other counsellors, Rose and David and all the campers.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 31, 2014 - 12:49pm PT
decent current smoke map?
nope, I suspect smoke's way too variable to map
The fire down by Mammoth Pool is growing today.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Jul 31, 2014 - 12:55pm PT
There are a lot of airtankers and helicopters working this afternoon in the mountains of Northern California (north of Redding, CA), Medford, OR area and up into the Bend / Prineville region. Fire weather watches posted.


Here's a useful public link:
http://gacc.nifc.gov/oncc/predictive/intelligence/news_notes/index.htm

News and Notes 07/31/2014

1230 CA-KNF Whites Fire: 200 acres in timber, 0% contained. 11 miles west of Callahan, CA. Moderate rate of spread. 93 degrees, 16% RH, winds southeast 13 gusting 23.

1230 CA-SHF Coffee Fire: 10 acres in timber, 0% contained. 6 miles northwest of Coffee Creek, CA. Moderate rate of spread. 91 degrees, 21% RH, winds south-southeast 4 gusting 8.

Effective 1200 today North Ops is moving to preparedness level 4.
(On a scale of 1-5 with 5 being the highest fire preparedness level).




HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 31, 2014 - 02:02pm PT
In the Santa Cruz mountains, the morning CalFire checkin (includes county fire and volunteer companies) asked all mountain companies to cover their equipment.
That means volunteer companies to their stations and "regulars" to man their stations with all hands.
It's as hot today as yesterday. No forecast for moisture in the next week.
At least forecast cooling off a little on Sat and Sun.

Two local CDCR inmate crews were sent out of area to a fire.

Bloody He**
Lodge fire now to 600 acres, spotting and spreading.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Jul 31, 2014 - 03:43pm PT
I haven't noticed a whole lot of air activity over the Yosemite area. That is a good sign for fire fighters and residents.

Most of the heavy airtankers and helitankers are active in roughly the Redding / Medford / Bend / Wenatchee, WA mountains. With SEAT activity in the lower country extending all the way into ID and northern MT.

And it is not even August yet. It might be a long month if this weather continues.

mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 31, 2014 - 04:44pm PT
Nor have I seen #911 today.

And for the folks up Plymouth way, there is a happening soon, Sand Aid.
http://www.facebook.com/julioinglasses
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Jul 31, 2014 - 05:05pm PT
All I can say is that they better damn well get that friggin French fire under control because the SOB is getting too damn close to my Arnold Meadows house for my liking.

Of course, one neighbor works for the Bass Lake FD and another is a retired CDF Battalion chief so I'm going with the "it's who you know" approach.
doughnutnational

Gym climber
its nice here in the spring
Jul 31, 2014 - 05:36pm PT

I haven't seen or heard any tankers out toward the french fire since yesterday, I'm hoping they are flying another route becauseI saw alot until yesterday and I know the fire is still raging.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Jul 31, 2014 - 07:22pm PT
khanom: re el portal--

i heard they cut/burned line back from the heliport. i think they've tried to push it up toward old coulter v rd.

in any event, things must be better-- my cal fire neighbor was back home today. i was too busy cleaning gutters to go hit him up.
David Knopp

Trad climber
CA
Aug 1, 2014 - 07:44am PT
Anybody have info about the air quality around Lover's Leap? Toulumne? Courtwright? I'm casting a wide net...
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Aug 1, 2014 - 08:30am PT
Some news and notes from areas a little further north of Yosemite:

08/01/2014
0700 CA-KNF Beaver Fire: 400 acres, 11% contained. Moderate rate of spread, with active short runs during the afternoon. Active burning observed on all flanks. NorCal IMT2 Team 2 (Johnson) will inbrief at 1200 hours today.

CA-MEU Lodge Complex: 650 acres, 5% contained. Steep slopes and difficult access are hampering containment efforts. CAL FIRE IMT Team 4 (Derum) assumed command of the incident this morning.

CA-KNF July Complex: Complex comprises the White (1,000 acres, 0% contained), Leef (17 acres, 45% contained) and Log (130 acres, 0% contained) fires. White Fire is making significant upslope runs with single tree torching; Leef fire has forward progress stopped and is smoldering; Log fire is active on all flanks. California IMT Team 1 (McGowan) will inbrief today.

CA-LNF Bald Fire: 3,100 acres, 0% contained. Fire is threatening Pacific Crest Trail, historical structures and power, communication and transportation infrastructures. Fire progressing at a moderate rate of spread, with short range spotting and torching. NorCal IMT2 Team 1 (Minton) is assigned to this fire and will inbrief at 1400 hours today.

CA-LMU Day Fire: 7,000 acres, 5% contained. Fire continues to make significant runs with long range spotting. Continued threat to the community of Day, Lookout Ranchettes, local power infrastructure and commercial timberlands. CAL FIRE IMT Team 3 (Michael) will inbrief today.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 1, 2014 - 09:01am PT
Latest El Portal fire MODIS
Moving right up to Crane Flat junction

Lodge fire slowly expanding northwards towards 101 North of Laytonville.
Not moving towards children's summer camp Camp Winnarainbow.
We have several friends on staff there.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 1, 2014 - 12:42pm PT
There it was in the paper this morning, so it must be true, eh?

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Yosemite-fire-Main-road-into-park-is-reopened-5659982.php

Hot pics, too.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 1, 2014 - 01:14pm PT
Yosemite current road conditions
All main roads within Yosemite National Park, including the Big Oak Flat Road, are open. Crane Flat, Bridalveil Creek, and Yosemite Creek Campgrounds are temporarily closed. The community of Foresta remains closed.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Aug 1, 2014 - 01:31pm PT
Calfire has 2 airtankers and a Huey on a start just south of Mariposa.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Aug 1, 2014 - 02:06pm PT
Through work I have access to a program which lets me view all the firefighting aircraft in the country. It's pretty cool and gives me a good idea where the activity is happening (airtankers and heavy helicopters flying typically means something is going on).

I don't see any other aircraft over that Mariposa area, so it was either a false alarm or they caught it small.
Daphne

Trad climber
Northern California
Aug 1, 2014 - 02:10pm PT
Smoky on the eastside. Tolerable in the meadows when i drove in this morning.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 1, 2014 - 02:13pm PT
Fire on Hwy 1 (the coastal highway) N of Santa Cruz, just S of Waddell Beach.
On the ocean side of the road.
Fire crews were called out about an hour ago. There haven't been any more callouts and I can't see any significant smoke rising over the coastal hills so I'm guessing it's under control.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Aug 1, 2014 - 05:23pm PT
It looks to really be heating up in northern Cal. If forecasted lightning and winds pan out, it could be an interesting month:

1615 Update from news and notes:

CA-HUU McClellan Fire: 30 acres, 0% contained, burning brush. Fire is located on Highway 36 at McClellan Mountain Road, Dinsmore. Rapid rate of spread. Structures threatened, evacuations in progress.

CA-LMU Day Fire: 7,000 acres, 10% contained. Mandatory evacuations of the Lookout Ranchettes have been issued.

CA-SHF Coffee Fire: 200 acres, 0% contained, burning in timber. Fire is located in the Trinity Alps Wilderness, 5 miles northwest of Coffee Creek. Moderate to rapid rate of spread.

CA-KNF Little Deer Fire: 350 acres, 0% contained, burning in brush and timber. Fire is located near Highway 97, 11 miles southwest of Macdoel. Moderate rate of spread. Fire is burning towards Highway 97.

1530
OR-ODF Oregon Gulch Fire: 9000 acres, 0% contained. Fire is burning near the community of Copco, south of the Oregon border. Fire was part of the Beaver Complex east of Ashland, Oregon that burned into California overnight. Structure threat to the community of Copco. Fire is being managed by an ODF Type 1 team. 1,000 acres is burning in Siskiyou County, California. Fire is in Unified Command with CAL FIRE.

1530
CA-LNF Eiler Fire: 950 acres, 0% contained, burning in timber. Fire is located in the 1,000 Lakes Wilderness, 12 miles southwest of Burney. Rapid rate of spread.
John M

climber
Aug 1, 2014 - 05:27pm PT
It was seriously smokey and hot in Oakhurst today. It got a little bad here in Wawona, but right now its cleared out.

I hope everyone makes it through this batch of fires. The heat is getting bad.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 2, 2014 - 06:27am PT
6:16 a.m., 8/2/14.It's going to be a scorcher here. I'm getting on the bus to the Lodge, going to check this smoke out.
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Aug 2, 2014 - 10:45am PT
Bummer, we've got most all of August and Sept. coming......yikes.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Aug 2, 2014 - 12:16pm PT
Here's some morning news and notes from North Ops:

08/02/2014 0730

CA-KNF Little Deer: 600 acres, 10% contained.

CA-SHF Coffee Fire: 750 acres, 5% contained. Fire made significant runs upslope due to rollout and numerous snags. Heavy inversion settled over the fire during the night.

OR-ODF Beaver Complex: 11,623 acres, 2% contained. 4,645 acres are burning in California. Evacuation notices in effect for Copco Road area. Threat to Fallbrook water supply source for Yreka. Fire is in Unified Command with CAL FIRE.

CA-KNF July Complex: California IMT1 Team 1 (McGowan) assumed command of the complex at 0600 hours. Complex includes the White Fire, Log Fire and the Leef Fire. White Fire: 2,500 acres, 0% contained, rollout continued overnight with active backing. Log Fire: 350 acres, 0% contained, rollout continues to hamper containment efforts; fire is in Unified Command with CAL FIRE. Leef Fire: 17 acres, 90% contained. Minimal fire activity reported.

CA-KNF Beaver: 1,751 acres, 5% contained. Fire spotted across Beaver Creek, doubling the fire size. The fire made significant runs to the north east late into the night. Mandatory evacuations are in effect for the Beaver Creek area. Advisory evacuations are in place along the Klamath River.

CA-MEU Lodge Complex: 902 acres, 20% contained. Fire continued to spread in all directions. Steep terrain and potential for rolling debris is hampering containment efforts.

CA-Eiler Fire: 6,932 acres, 0% contained. Fire is under command of NorCal Team 1 (Minton). Fire made significant sustained runs yesterday. Fire has crossed Highway 89; Highway 89 remains closed in the fire area. Evacuations remain in place. Thousand Lakes Wilderness is closed.

CA-LNF Bald Fire: 17,977 acres, 5% contained. Fire is in Unified Command with CAL FIRE. Extreme fire behavior, with rapid rates of spread and long range spotting. Evacuations are in place for Little Valley Road. Burlington Northern-Santa Fe rail line remains shut down.

CA-LMU Day Fire: 12,500 acres, 15% contained. Fire continues to move with high intensity. Wind driven runs produced long range spotting up to 1/2 mile.

**08/01/2014 Effective 2030 tonight North Ops is moving to preparedness level 5.
**
http://gacc.nifc.gov/oncc/predictive/intelligence/news_notes/index.htm
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Aug 2, 2014 - 12:20pm PT
Another interesting link for fire weather geeks:

(Note this is for Northern California)

http://psgeodata.fs.fed.us/7day/action/forecast/10

* Dry with Gusty Southwest Winds East of Cascade-Sierra Crest Today *

* Thunderstorms Late Sunday Through Friday, Peaking on Monday *

The very hot/dry conditions at the surface have dried dead fuels down to critically dry levels in most areas. 1000-hr fuels are down to between 5-10% across most inland areas. In addition, live fuel moisture is down to between 75-110% in higher elevations (above 4000 ft), and 65-75% in lower elevations (with locally drier spots). These critically dry fuel conditions are now producing rapid fire growth. Abundant lightning, even combined with rainfall, Sunday night and Monday will likely lead to new ignitions. With resource drawdown at its current level, abundant new lightning is considered a HIGH RISK situation.

John M

climber
Aug 2, 2014 - 12:29pm PT
Here is a smoke map for california

http://californiasmokeinfo.blogspot.com/2014/08/august-1-2014-update-on-central.html

It was clear last night here in Wawona. Now its very smokey..

How is everyone else doing? They say the el portal fire is 78 percent contain. I believe thats because it ran into the burn area from the last fire.
this just in

climber
north fork
Aug 2, 2014 - 07:28pm PT
https://m.facebook.com/MaderaSheriff/posts/690078114413021
They found the source of the French Fire. I can't believe people sometimes.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 2, 2014 - 08:58pm PT
Mammoth is smoked out with little flakes of ash falling...It rained for a few minutes this evening after a few rumblings of thunder were heard...Flashflood warnings for tomorrow...
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 2, 2014 - 10:53pm PT
I spoke with Mr. Cliff today, an NPS firefighter, who was taking a day off at Glacier Point. Neither of us had been up there in quite some time and today, of all days, was unique because of the tremendous layer of smoke all over.

He had just yesterday taken a chopper flight to the top of one of the high points across from Glacier, like North Dome, someplace in the picture above, anyway. He'd been on the go since before the El Portal fire and was happy as heck to get this break.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 2, 2014 - 10:58pm PT
hey there say, ... thank you one and all... for the updates...

as to links, info, of fire, smoke areas, ash, and flooding areas, as well...

prayers for all...
and the oh my:
yep, still have all of aug, to go, and who knows, sept??
as to hot dry weather, as well???

used to be, when i was a kid, some of sept was occasionaly, like summer...
though, cool damp mornings, did set in...
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 3, 2014 - 07:14am PT
rodger that Cragman...It is dark and feels like it's going to dump...an Early ride with rain jacket is in order..
Dick Erb

climber
June Lake, CA
Aug 3, 2014 - 08:27am PT
Here is a very interesting time lapse video of the El Portal fire.

http://vimeo.com/102372212
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Aug 3, 2014 - 09:17am PT
Wonderful monsoonal pattern here in northern AZ. The moisture should slow down the fires in South Ops (Yosemite area and south).

khanom, your welcome. The GACCs have good information. Most folks reading this thread are interested in the South Ops Coordination Center. Intelligence and Outlooks page have lots of useful beta.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Aug 3, 2014 - 12:09pm PT
08/03 1215 National Preparedness Level has been elevated to PL 4.

The siege of 2014 begins...
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Aug 3, 2014 - 12:36pm PT
We pulled out of Arnold Meadows the other day after the mandatory evac for the French Fire.

The northern head of the fire at the time was coming up the Chiquito Creek drainage from Mammoth Pool around the Wagners Store area. About 3 miles south of us as the embers fly.

Talked to my Bass Lake FD bud last night - they have staged 5 Engine Companies inside of our meadow with a dozer line being cut to our south from Lower Chiquito campground easterly to Minarets road near the FS Workstation.

Over the last 5 years - the local FS had done a lot of underbrush clearing around our area - hoping that work pays off. What concerns them and us the most is that Arnold Meadows has about 150 one acre lots - maybe 50 have houses or cabins with the rest being set up either for tent camping or covered with crap since the absentee owners haven't been up in years.

It's those crap lots that spook us the most - the one due south of me has 20 years of tree fall and understory trash trees that would go up like a bomb if fire hit. Dawny and I have over the years slowly "moved" into that lot - have probably cleared about 75 feet of it from our side - but that still leaves a couple hundred of feet still full of tinder.

But again, we have four owners who have a vested interest in their property plus the skills to do something about fire - one BLFD, one recently retired CalFire Captain, one active USFS Hotshot and another FD guy from the Valley.

Feeling better about the prospects but damn - that whole area is going to look like sh#t for years after this fire.

Ricky D and Charming Dawn




rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 3, 2014 - 02:23pm PT
Mammoth is smoke free today...Cool , breezy , cloudy and waiting for rain..I heard it rained in Ojai all morning...
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 3, 2014 - 07:08pm PT
have probably cleared about 75 feet of it from our side
That's a very good start.
As you probably know, CalFire likes 100feet of "defensible space"
Cut everything up to 8" diameter (except any special species, such as perhaps Pacific Yew)
In the Santa Cruz mtns it's Toyon, Buckeye and Madrone if it's sparse.
Remove all branches up to 10 feet.
Check with your CalFire for best reduction method: options are chipping, burn piles (a bit late for that this year) and lop and scatter.
Very likely you already know this.
Good luck
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 3, 2014 - 07:31pm PT
It's those crap lots that spook us the most - the one due south of me has 20 years of tree fall and understory trash trees that would go up like a bomb if fire hit. Dawny and I have over the years slowly "moved" into that lot - have probably cleared about 75 feet of it from our side - but that still leaves a couple hundred of feet still full of tinder.

yeah, that's my world, too. absentee owner, stacks of brush and ladder fuels.

at least you got the metal roof.

good luck, dude.
Norwegian

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Aug 4, 2014 - 07:33am PT
call your local tree guy, folks.
they are your best friend,
and this is money well-spent.

we mimic the fire process
in a controlled and proactive process.

skirt the dead branches on those trees;
they look gosh handsome
and with no fire-ladder branches,
they very well could survive
a wild-burn process.

remove clutter.
aim for an independent canopy,
meaning you should see daylight
between the upper branches of adjacent trees.

with our successive droughts,
thinning out clutter trees
will not only reduce your
venerability to fire,
but will also provide
more water for the mature,
keeper trees (less competetion.)
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 4, 2014 - 11:49am PT
One contrarian view on dropping dead trees.
From a friend who was ex CalFire fighter, chief, fire behaviorist and then resources manager of a major open space district in the Bay Area.
As fire behaviorist, Pat was the guy sitting in a trailer at the fire camp working with weather data, fuel load and topographic maps and computer models trying to work out what the fire was likely to do next.

Standing dead trees are often best left in place. With no green vegetation they don't spread fire quickly. They are great animal habitat (owls, bats, bugs, squirrels, etc). One tree can house dozens of critters of several species.
Obviously they are prone to coming down in a fire (or a storm) so don't leave them near anything you care about. Or power lines!

Our local CDCR inmate camp is spread thin. Our shaded fuel break project could only get one crew today. Most of the camp crews are out on fire lines.
We're having the first cool, moderate relative humidity day in nearly a month.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 4, 2014 - 12:03pm PT
Cragman..it's not raining here...Stop stealing our rain...rj
Tork

climber
Yosemite
Aug 4, 2014 - 12:11pm PT
It's not raining here either and I live a stones throw away. If you've got a good arm that is.
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Aug 4, 2014 - 12:30pm PT
Ladder Fuels - yep, that's been the phrase of the year for a while now.

My lot spills out onto the meadow itself on the west side. Twice a season I weedwhack and mow the meadow down to about 4 inches running out about 150 feet from the leading tree line. There is a overly healthy river willow stand that follows a couple of seasonal watercourses and I have taken to thinning the dead stuff and cutting the branches up to a height of about 3 feet above the mowed part.

We have lifted the limbs on the leading edge of the trees to a height of 20-30 feet and cut any dead finger branch I can reach from a 36 foot ladder and a 20 foot pole saw.

But again, it's that trash tree lot to my south that scares me. The "owner" hasn't come up in over 10 years - we offered to buy him out back when we had money but never heard from them. I'm thinking after this fire season is over - we will say screw 'em and just go ahead and clear that pile ourselves.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 5, 2014 - 07:07pm PT
yeah, drought protection.

of course, the oaks want fire. they just don't want the catastrophic ones.
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Aug 5, 2014 - 09:46pm PT
Can I get a FKNA!

From the French Fire Inciweb Update -

"Evacuation order will be lifted on Wedensday August 6th at 9:00 AM for residents living in the Arnold Meadows and Wagners Mammoth Pool Resort area. The Forest Service Area Road and Trail Closure remains in effect and the area remains closed to the public."

Nothing like dodging a bullet to make you feel grateful for the men and women who risk their lives to save the hopes and dreams of strangers.

Amazing.


Doubly amazing to find out DMT knows the lyrics to a Rush song!!!!!!!!!!
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 6, 2014 - 10:07pm PT
hey there say, RickyD ... hope all is well...

just checking in and hoping folks were, and are, okay...
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 6, 2014 - 10:09pm PT
hey there say, norwegian... wow, neat poem... love the jobs-that-need-to-be-done, aspect of it, too... :)

lots of good insight there and good honest work for folks, too, :)
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 7, 2014 - 11:27am PT
Anybody want venison?
Intense deer pressure here as well. I walk my dog in a large meadow in the forest about 10 PM every night.
The deer seem to be diminishing. Maximum in June, 9 at a time, 6 or 7 nearly each evening.
Now max is 4, just 3 last night. A couple of nights have been zero.
For a year there has been a magnificent yellow eyed buck. Haven't seen him in about 2 weeks. He's quite noticeable at night.

Now for a fire update. On Tuesday there was a significant fire in the Santa Cruz mountains at the top of King's Creek Road.
Within 20 minutes there were a Huey Helitak crew/water dropper, an S2 twin engine tanker and an OV10 Bronco command craft.

Within 2 hours it was fully contained. Had it climbed the ridge, it would have been 1 1/2 miles of wilderness canyon from my house. The fire was entirely on private land but about 1/4 mile from the Castle Rock State Park southern boundary. The fire crews drove down the Kings Creek Truck Trail which we cleared last year as a shaded fuel break project. This saved them about 15 minutes drive time vs Highway 9 or Bear Creek Rd.
You can see the Huey in this photo. He was sucking water from a nearby pond.
Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Aug 7, 2014 - 01:47pm PT
Now that the El Portal Fire is about out, did they find out the cause? I ran into the pic from the newspaper of the El Portal Fire a few years back that was caused by a broke down RV on fire....
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 7, 2014 - 02:34pm PT
"Essentially it's government robots not wanting to stick their neck out if the evidence isn't 120% definitive."

If that's true, can you really blame them? If a mistake is made, they get crucified from every angle (not to mention debilitating litigation). Who would want to stick there neck out, knowing there's a strong likelihood it's gonna get chopped, one way or the other?

Not defending land managers in general, by any stretch. I do have some empathy for what they have to deal with, though.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 7, 2014 - 02:46pm PT
khanom, the feds entered formal charges this morning against the rim fire suspect

http://www.news10.net/story/news/local/modesto/2014/08/07/rim-fire-arrest/13735225/


klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 7, 2014 - 04:14pm PT
there were media reports at the time that the suspect had given the feds a written confession--

looks like that was true. he seems to have confessed at least twice, with different details each time, then recanted the confessions. then blamed it on a grower op he claims to have found there.

each of those various stories doubtless precipitated a whole bunch of forensic work. wonder if there was also a negotiation over a plea?

khanom, the state and us cali politicians got brief last fall by doj. that's why mclintock quit beating that drum.

edit cuz i forgot to link the lat

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-81026285/



HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 7, 2014 - 09:42pm PT
I hope they throw the book at Keith Matthew Emerald.
Stupid friggen b**tard.
Thanks to Google he'll go down in history. 20 years from now when someone google's Rim Fire, they'll get old fashioned 22cal bullets and this moron.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 7, 2014 - 10:25pm PT
Emerald put some business people over here in a financial bind...tragic...
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 8, 2014 - 09:31am PT
Some not so good news.
The Lodge fire just west of Camp Winnarainbow has spotted eastward for the first time and is now on the Winnarainbow/Hwy 101 east side of the ridges. Now less than 4 miles away.
Winnarainbow has kids for one more week. Hope they're not having too much smoke.

At least the fire will be easier to fight.

7:15 AM morning report:
The fire continues to burn in heavy timber. Firefighters are challenged by steep, rugged terrain with difficult access. Fire activity increased yesterday as the eastern flank of the fire pushed to the south. The fire crossed the Eel River in two areas and continues to grow to the east. Structure defense preparation continues near populated areas and firefighting personnel continue to make progress constructing fire line across the northern and southern boundaries of the fire.

5,400 acres - 30% contained
35 structures threatened

Total Fire Personnel: 1,733
Total Fire Engines: 151
Total Fire crews: 42
Total Helicopters: 15
Total Dozers: 30
Total Water Tenders: 25


Winnarainbow has a small lake for swimming. Given the low levels in the Eel River that might be the only water source for helicopters and tankers on the eastern front.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 8, 2014 - 10:07am PT
Smoke over Waddell Beach, north of Santa Cruz
smoke over Monterey Bay, south of Santa Cruz
bob

climber
Aug 8, 2014 - 10:20am PT
My sister and her family are part owners of The Big Bend Lodge on the Eel River and crews are staying there. They've been clearing like mad, made a helipad, and are otherwise doing as much in preparation for the fire's arrival. Scary.

We all have our fingers crossed.

http://www.advocate-news.com/latest-local/ci_26291298/lodge-complex-fire-threatens-resorts-south-leggett
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 8, 2014 - 10:31am PT
that canyon looks bad.

good luck.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 8, 2014 - 10:48am PT
bob
the MODIS map I posted shows that the fire has moved south from the Lodge since last evening. They'll have good dozer lines but there'll be plenty of hotspots to mop up. They'll likely be OK now. You can bet the fire crews are thankful for their assistance.
bob

climber
Aug 8, 2014 - 11:58am PT
Sounds like the Lodge is busy!!! Poor septic. :) Thank you for the links everybody.

edit: my sis says that the fire is still slowly progressing towards the lodge as far as her source of information is concerned. Smoke plumes build up, everyone gets more gripped, then they die down, or at least move out of sight. Deep canyon living. Its like living in a cave.
murcy

Gym climber
sanfrancisco
Aug 8, 2014 - 05:48pm PT
Came over Sonora from the east this morning; no signs that I saw...
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 9, 2014 - 11:26am PT
Bad news on the Lodge Lightning Complex fire close to US101 between Laytonville and Legget.
Continues to spread eastward.
8 firefighters injured when it popped over a ridge.
5 of them CDCR inmates. My local inmate camp and CalFire stations have crews up there.

I have some sympathy for the CDCR inmate crews. I've worked with them for the past two years on shaded fuel break projects. Decent enough non-violent state prison inmates doing their best to keep out of prison. Some of them will return to prison. Bad habits can be hard to break. I've seen them work their arses off for me, I can only imagine how hard they work on a fire line. Pretty much nonstop except for a few hours sleep here and there, often just bivvying out in the forest when the crew gets relieved. Two weeks ago, I got an inmate crew who'd returned after several days on a North Cal fire the night before. They were really dragging. I've worked several times with their Captain and she knows how to work them. She cut them all the slack they wanted that day.
Our project has not had a crew all this week. So were stalled till next Tuesday. If then.

Eight firefighters were injured as the fire crested a portion of Brush Mountain. All eight firefighters were transported to burn centers and treated for burns; they remain in stable condition. According to CalFire Director Ken Pimlott the injuries are considered serious but not life threatening. Three of the firefighters were from a fire agency on loan to fight the fire and five were members of the California Department of Corrections fire crews assigned to the fire.
http://www.willitsnews.com/localnews/ci_26294823/lodge-complex-fire-threatens-resorts-south-leggett

Big Bend Lodge looks to be pretty much in the clear now.
Continues to move towards Camp Winnarainbow but it's not mentioned in the article
CalFire has ordered evacuations for areas of the Lodge Complex Fire for Camp Seabow, Elder Place, Tan Oak Park, Bald Mountain Ranch, Mad Creek and areas of Elk Creek east of Brush Mountain.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 9, 2014 - 12:27pm PT
Just to clear the air about that miserable SOB Emerald and the Rim fire, here is yesterday's Merced Sun-Stroke news.Erik, I'm sorry for your financial loss, hoss. Yer obviously one of the hardest-working members of your community there and my sympathy goes out to the rest of them, as well.
John M

climber
Aug 18, 2014 - 04:39pm PT
Highway 41 is closed.. I hope they get on this one quick. It could be bad. Read up on the Harlow fire.

http://www.sierrastar.com/2008/07/10/45834/harlow-fire-spread-through-the.html

Its windy up on Glacier point road today. I don't know about Oakhurst.


SR 41
[IN THE CENTRAL CALIFORNIA AREA]
IS CLOSED FROM THE JCT OF SR 49 TO 3.5 MI NORTH OF THE JCT OF SR 49
(MADERA CO) - DUE TO A WILDFIRE - MOTORISTS ARE ADVISED TO USE AN
ALTERNATE ROUTE
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Aug 18, 2014 - 04:53pm PT
Lots of air tankers and helicopters flying in CA this afternoon, especially in the Truckee, Oakhurst and Lake Isabella areas.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 18, 2014 - 06:11pm PT
http://news.lalate.com/2014/08/18/junction-fire-map-2014-oakhurst-ca-wildfire-today-in-madera-spreads/

I was there with Gene this afternoon just as this one started.

I'll have pictures soon, I hope.

MFM
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 18, 2014 - 06:55pm PT
We pulled into the entrance to land owned by Hillview Water. There was a man named Richard there with the key to the gate, waiting for trucks from Ahwahnee.
Richard told us *Gene and myself) that the water company's land abutted a parcel that had been used for years as a dumping spot, filled with rubbish and old tires, that it was used by "homeless dopers" and that ilk. He was expecting that one of them began the blaze. Another gent came up and corroborated that view, saying that they were a plague in Oakhurst in the summer, especially.

The trucks began streaming by (three of them) at around 2:08.
On the way to Nip we saw one more pumper unit and three trucks with hand crews from Mt. Bullion. On the way down 140 into Merced County we saw a red CalFire truck heading uphill.

We looked at each other and shook our heads. This ought to have been controlled, as there is a tank of water sitting filled on the Hillview property.

As I look out the window here in Middle Earth, the sky is murky over the mountains.

This is the date the Rim fire began, if memory serves.

What was it Yogi Berra said?
this just in

climber
north fork
Aug 18, 2014 - 07:15pm PT
Wow just heard El Cid's, Doc's towing, and Suburban propane burnt down. I would imagine a lot of houses too. Big bummer for Oakhurst, my thoughts are with them.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 18, 2014 - 07:45pm PT
hey there say, khanom... so is much of oakhurst, in danger...

do you have a link, just for oakhurst?
thanks... thanks for, to all, for all these shares...
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Aug 18, 2014 - 07:57pm PT
TJI - where are you hearing about El Cids and such - I know the elites on ST disdain El Cid but I actually like their food - bummer if they got toasted.

Also - is this fire burning up from 49 to Sky Ranch and then back down through Cedar Valley - or did it jump the 41 to get over on that side?

The MadSheriffFaceybook site sucks for info and CalFire can't provide a map that's worth a crap.
this just in

climber
north fork
Aug 18, 2014 - 08:04pm PT
From a Cal fire friend and we know the owner of Docs towing. I guess sky ranch is evacuated and Bass Lake to the Forks. Cedar Valley will be next if not already.

It jumped where the pic above was taken. That goes straight up to Bass Lake, but you know that.
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Aug 18, 2014 - 08:16pm PT
Yeah - I'm thinking the same thing - once over into Cedar Valley this thing can run back down into town towards Fresno Flats as well as running out towards Bass Lake.

this just in

climber
north fork
Aug 18, 2014 - 08:30pm PT
Someone just posted a pic of El Cid on Facebook and it is still there. I like that place too, guess the rumors spread as fast as the fire. Hopefully Docs is still there.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 18, 2014 - 09:02pm PT
Report from Fresno's Ch. 30.

This just in:

http://www.yourcentralvalley.com/story/d/story/breaking-news-brush-fire-in-oakhurst-structures-th/17766/SU7LuS002kOs8-QAuIcjDQ
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 18, 2014 - 09:54pm PT
hey there say, all... thank you very much, again, for all the links...praying
for all the folks, and firefighters and families...


:(

edit:
thank you mouse, for the nice email, yes, very worried
about family...
god bless... so far, so good... but scary, still...

hope the firemen are safe...
:(
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 19, 2014 - 02:04am PT
hey there say, just saw this link, from karl:

http://goldrushcam.com/sierrasuntimes/index.php/news/local-news/374-junction-fire-in-oakhurst-california

this quote was in it:

Starting tomorrow CAL FIRE will have a landline set up in the Sheriff’s Command Center for the general public to call about fire information.
That number will be: 559-658-2560; ext. 115



AS OF 10:03 pm Pacific Time:
1200 acres have burned
No containment
Cause of Fire remains under investigation
8 structures have been damaged from the fire
500-plus homes are still threatened
600 Fire Fighters continue to battle the wildfire
Cal Fire is work with CAL OES for mutual aid to assist in defending structures
One Fire Fighter was injured and transported to an area hospital for evaluation.

hope this helps folks... wow, i wish i knew what was going on, for my
brother and his wife, :( (did try calling them, hours agao)...
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 19, 2014 - 07:28am PT
http://www.modbee.com/2014/08/18/3492910/brushfire-breaks-out-near-oakhurst.html

It's cooled down real nicely this morning.
It's 53 in Oakhurst and 0 wind.
chappy

Social climber
ventura
Aug 19, 2014 - 10:31am PT
Around 2:00pm I was working in my yard and heard helicopters and planes circling around near by. I thought it sounded like they were fighting a fire. As I couldn't see or smell smoke I wasn't too concerned. Around 4:00pm I decided to head up to Shut Eye (Chilkoot Lake area)for an evening boulder session. As I drove down the hill from our house I rounded a curve and the fire came into view. Holy shit! Huge plumes of smoke and flames burning along the ridge just west of town and Hwy 41. Not deterred I headed down to town and turned N on 41. Things were just starting to get really bad. As I passed Sweetwater Steak House I pulled over on the right (just before Standard Propane). Towering flames were fast approaching Hwy 41. I hung a u turn and headed back home. I knew they would close the road very soon and I needed to be there to coordinate an evacuation if necessary. I was somewhat comforted by the fact that the fire would have to jump the highway to threaten our house...but if it did so it would race up the hill straight to our home. I got home and packed the truck and the car and prepped the animal crates. An hour or so later I drove back to where I had first seen the fire and law enforcement and fire personel were driving up and down the road. I flagged them down and they told me the fire had jumped the highway and was right over the ridge to the north from our house and that we should get out. They got a dozer up there pretty damn quick. I wasn't willing to leave just yet and decided to wait until I saw actual flames at the ridge top. A short time later I rode to the top of the ridge on my motor cycle to see how bad it was. From an evacuated home on top of the ridge I could see soaring lames a few hundred yards away and expected them to burn my way. They held off. Now dusk you could see glowing embers being carried aloft in huge plumes of smoke. I thought the worst if those embers landed on our side of the ridge. They need to get a crew up here fast! Just as I thought this I heard the rumbling of vehicles and a convoy of fire trucks arrived. I felt better and headed home ready to evacuate on a moments notice. As darkness descended I kept a weary eye out on the ridge for flames. Ashes fell like a very light snowfall illuminated by my headlamp. Gradually the smoke diminished and the stars showed bright. Good job fire crew! We made it.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 19, 2014 - 10:53am PT
hey there say, chappy... wow, as to this:

I knew they would close the road very soon and I needed to be there to coordinate an evacuation if necessary. I was somewhat comforted by the fact that the fire would have to jump the highway to threaten our house...but if it did so it would race up the hill straight to our home.

that's the part, that really got me scared, after i first called mom...
she shared the address, so i could find where you were, in regards to the fire and it was THEN that i feared that too...

did not know of this, wow, 'til just before you called her, so
wow, you were really on quard for a while... whewwww...


was so glad for the northern movement of it, when i realized it
was not moving straight over towards you...


hope the cats and wife, are doing well through this...

brave fight, and i was so worried all night, hoping for
good news...


whewwww....
:)


edit:
say, mark, also, childhood friend, diane, called and was concerned about
you and jaime, too... she will glad to hear this... whewwwwwww, again, and wow...
this just in

climber
north fork
Aug 19, 2014 - 10:56am PT
Good to hear Mark. So far all my friends have been lucky. One had everything burn around his house, but the house itself.
john hansen

climber
Aug 19, 2014 - 12:36pm PT
I have a friend that has land up there in Oakhurst. Does anyone have a link to a map that shows the areas burned? I tried the Cal fire site.
Is the fire only south of 41, or is it also between 41 and 49?
john hansen

climber
Aug 19, 2014 - 01:59pm PT
Thanks!
Seamstress

Trad climber
Yacolt, WA
Aug 19, 2014 - 02:48pm PT
Since this is all purpose, this post refers to current and past fires in the NW. Climbed Adams last weekend. There was no view of Hood due to the smoke. The views of Rainier and St.Helens were painted with a brown sludge below the smog/smoke line with a little topping of white at the highest elevations.


The weather has been getting better. We expect to start a small demobilization of fire foreces perhaps this week. We had over 8,000 firefighters on the lines.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Aug 19, 2014 - 03:00pm PT
Thanks, Khanom! Our acquaintances who live in Oakhurst have reported some of the devastation, but since they were in Fresno when they told us, the report was necessarily incomplete. They seemed to think that some homeless drug addicts caused the fire. That may just be convenient scapegoating, but it wouldn't be the first time that sort of thing has happened around here. Very tragic, regardless of the cause.

John
John M

climber
Aug 19, 2014 - 03:05pm PT
sierra news online is saying that El Cids did not burn.
scuffy b

climber
heading slowly NNW
Aug 19, 2014 - 04:05pm PT
So, I assume the big propane tanks didn't go up.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 20, 2014 - 04:19pm PT
Good, cheering footage from the Bee.

http://www.fresnobee.com/2014/08/19/4077225/junction-fire-new-crews-arrive.html
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 20, 2014 - 07:48pm PT
hey there say, folks...

my boston friend, just shared this...
has anyone seen news on this, in the 'above bakersfield's area'?

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/55893104#.U_VcFWPDWG0

WOFFORD HEIGHTS AREA:

are any of you all folks affected by this, or not...

hope you all are okay... it says that it is 0% contained,


HERE IS PART QUOTE, FROM LINK:

EVACUATIONS
Kern Valley High School is the recommended evacuation center. If you have large animals, officials recommend you take them with you, along with extra feed.
Advertise

Kern County Fire is advising people living along these roads to evacuate:

Rodgers road, north and south Frontier Trail, south and West Burlando Road, Whitney Road, Grove Park way, Silver Mine Drive, Frontier Road, Bristlecone Drive, Sycamore Drive.

Fire fighters also added Sierra Vista, Needham Drive, Loma Lane, Sargent Lane, Adams Road, and Mar Vista Drive.

All these roads are closed from Highway 155 in Wofford Heights.



hope this helps if you may need to call and
check on folks...

neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 20, 2014 - 10:39pm PT
hey there say, khanom... thanks! thank you so much for the info, there...

good to here from you... :)
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Aug 21, 2014 - 06:24am PT
Hey there, say - glad the El Cid is ok! If I remember correctly, the palmettos planted in front of the El Ced are the first/last palms on the way in/out to Yosemite from the south.

The first/last palms on the way in from Merced are about two minutes west of the base of the hill up to Mariposa on the north side, just before the little county park which is on the south side.

Hmmm, can't remember on the 120. Somewhere around Chinese Camp and the wood yard? I'll be driving past there in less than a month, so I'll be sure to look!

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 21, 2014 - 08:07am PT
Despite the drought and the high number of fires "The West has lost 2.5
million acres to fires this year, the second-lowest total in the last 13 years." - LA Times
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 21, 2014 - 08:23am PT
Good question. I doubt many of us will. Hopefully the next generation will,
if they ever get off their 'smart' phones.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 21, 2014 - 10:14am PT
"The first/last palms on the way in from Merced are about two minutes west of the base of the hill up to Mariposa on the north side,
just before the little county park which is on the south side."--PTPP


Bingo!
doughnutnational

Gym climber
its nice here in the spring
Aug 26, 2014 - 05:35pm PT
http://basslakeca.com/camera1.html

The new Bass Lake fire can be seen here.
John M

climber
Aug 26, 2014 - 05:37pm PT
I think that its called the pine fire.

http://hotlist.wildlandfire.com/threads/42685-CA-SNF-Pine
looks easy from here

climber
Ben Lomond, CA
Aug 27, 2014 - 10:47am PT
The USFS French Fire page hasn't been updated since the 16th. Does anyone know the status of the road closures around Shuteye?
John M

climber
Aug 27, 2014 - 08:37pm PT
I don't know which roads you need, but the Sierra National forest page has an alert for what is closed.

It was updated the 22nd..

http://www.fs.usda.gov/alerts/sierra/alerts-notices/?aid=24683

http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprd3814193.pdf

the above is from this page under alerts and warnings on the right.

http://www.fs.usda.gov/sierra/
WBraun

climber
Aug 28, 2014 - 07:54am PT
What's left to burn anyways.

After so many wildfires this and last year there's nothing left to burn.

Rolls eye's and famous last words ........ :-)
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 28, 2014 - 09:40am PT
1.5 acres? I've seen campfires bigger than that!
looks easy from here

climber
Ben Lomond, CA
Aug 28, 2014 - 11:46am PT
Thanks for the links John M.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Sep 4, 2014 - 06:07pm PT
Jackson fire 'update'^^^^

September 04, 2014 02:16 pm
A wildfire burning near Highway 120 and Jacksonville Road has grown to more than 60 acres.

The Jackson Fire was reported at 11:50 a.m. and has burned mostly grasslands near Lake Don Pedro’s Moccasin Marina.

An air-attack, several engines and five strike-teams are battling the blaze.
The fire was 15 percent contained as of 3:15 p.m.

http://www.uniondemocrat.com/

ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
extraordinaire
Sep 4, 2014 - 09:53pm PT
There was a fire above Sherwin lakes today.
I took some pics.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 5, 2014 - 09:32am PT
That Skycrane is awesome to watch.
6 years ago there was a fire in Castle Rock State Park, just across the next ridge from me. Due to overgrown vegetation they couldn't get engines near it until they cleared the fire road with 'dozers 24 hours later.
Meanwhile I went to my neighbor's place where he has a view down over Stephens Creek reservoir, 2000 feet below.
Watching that giant insect suck up 2750 gals of water in less than a minute then climb up the mountain we saw the pilots literally face to face as they rose just above the trees.
7 minutes round trip from reservoir to fire to reservoir. They and the CalFire Huey from Alma held the fire until hand crews could hike through the forest to get to it.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 5, 2014 - 09:33am PT
As of 08:30 Jackson fire is 70% contained
BooDawg

Social climber
Butterfly Town
Sep 5, 2014 - 02:22pm PT
From CalTrans site: State Hwy 49 IS CLOSED 13 MI SOUTH OF THE JCT OF SR 140 /AT CHOWCHILLA RD/ (MARIPOSA CO) DUE TO A WILDFIRE - MOTORISTS ARE ADVISED TO USE AN ALTERNATE ROUTE

Smoke plume looks bad from near Mariposa.

From Cal Fire:

Bridge Fire Incident Information:
Last Updated: September 5, 2014 2:20 pm
Date/Time Started: September 5, 2014 12:42 pm
Administrative Unit: CAL FIRE Madera-Mariposa-Merced Unit / Mariposa County Fire
County: Mariposa County
Location: Highway 49 at Harris Road, 10 miles east of Mariposa
Evacuations:
Evacuations are in place for homes on Harris Cutoff Road and all of the Ponderosa Basin Area.

For more evacuation information visit the Mariposa County Sheriff's Office Nixle


Road Closures : On highway 49 between Worman Road and Chowchilla Mountain Road
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 5, 2014 - 03:12pm PT
http://cdfdata.fire.ca.gov/incidents/incidents_details_info?incident_id=1050

Bridge Fire

Strike teams are being called out from San Mateo, Santa Cruz and Santa Clara counties.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 6, 2014 - 07:25am PT
Bridge Fire now at 300 acres
25% contained
700 structures threatened

Hwy 49 has one way traffic south of the 140 junction due to the fire.
Otherwise roads are open
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 6, 2014 - 09:50am PT
Biotch...The Sherwin Lake fire must have been a campfire...Hasn't been any lightning recently...There was a similar fire about 6 years ago in the same area that was threatening the town and was also started by some campers...
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 6, 2014 - 07:25pm PT
hey there say, all... oh my, i been so busy, i did not see the latest fires near groveland again, :O



also, OH no, OAKHURST again, :(


prayers for all concerned... oh my, :(
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Sep 6, 2014 - 08:47pm PT
Wong & T Sucking,

Would you two bitches take you're crap someplace else? This is a great thread that provides good usefull information for people. Instead you two shitheads have to chime in and prove that neither of you need dic holes in your underwear.

STOP IT. GROW THE F*#K UP!

rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Sep 6, 2014 - 09:05pm PT
Exactly the response I expected from two children.
JOEY.F

Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
Sep 6, 2014 - 09:26pm PT
@Khanom,
No good deed goes unpunished, eh?
WBraun

climber
Sep 7, 2014 - 01:36pm PT
Behind Half Dome right now!!!!

High winds and the fire is raging/

Look on the web cams .....

Little Yosemite Valley closed and is being evacuated ....
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Sep 7, 2014 - 01:40pm PT
john hansen

climber
Sep 7, 2014 - 01:45pm PT
http://www.nps.gov/common/commonspot/customcf/webcam/dsp_webcam_image.cfm?webCam=56868082F6D1C06F55CB388B8E18AE6B4380E77594A383B798BC1797B0138C06C5FEDC9998968850CD9B00048E90929ED514B34350&refreshRate=300&title=76939894ECBA807259&width=1024&height=759&altText=689B9185EC91893F7DDB2A868517B87A06BFAC779FA1DB&description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
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 7, 2014 - 03:44pm PT
hey there say, khanom... oh no...

and werner...


say, i don't know my bearings...
as to much of yosemite, etc...

where is the areas that this is moving into ...
and what possible areas, around it, are in danger, please... ?
WBraun

climber
Sep 7, 2014 - 04:09pm PT
khanom

You have it correct.

Late this morning the winds were really howling in the work maintenance yard here and then suddenly I look up and see the smoke rising from behind half dome.

The fire jumped its contained area from the fanning by the winds and took off.

It looks way more radical in real time here.

They are trying to get a whole lot of people off half dome now as we speak.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 7, 2014 - 04:12pm PT
hey there say, khanom ... and werner...

thanks so very much, for the info...
thank you, both! :)
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Sep 7, 2014 - 04:19pm PT
Hope they are herding the tourist-hikers at Sunrise High Sierra Camp
out of the death zone? Looks like they are dead center on
the fire track. With spotting it may already be there.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Sep 7, 2014 - 05:03pm PT

JOEY.F

Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
Sep 7, 2014 - 06:28pm PT
Hope all the hikers wind up ok.
There's something eerily beautiful in that pic from that Turtleback capture.
bob

climber
Sep 7, 2014 - 06:50pm PT
I just rode my bike around Sherlock Rd. and saw a new fire burning above the Burma grade across the Merced. Not sure what is up with that.

EDIT MONTGOMERY Incident
CA-STF-3543
Equipment to stage at Kinsley Fire Station in Groveland area
Briceburg area , Stanislaus forest
1654: Dispatch(MMU) Requested units to assist Stanislaus with a vegetation fire, El Portal area, North of Briceburg.
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#MONTGOMERYFIRE #STF #StanislausNationalForest
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Sep 7, 2014 - 07:36pm PT
You guys up north are really getting hit hard this summer. So far nothing major here in socal. I'm just waiting for something spark up in the San Bernardino Mtns or elsewhere. With all the Bark Beatles killing off the trees, it's only a mater of time.

Best of luck to you folks.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 7, 2014 - 07:46pm PT
hey there say, all... wow, let's just hope and pray that folks 'don't get in a hurry' as, that is when accidents happen...

sounds like a hard precarious situation, getting SEVENTY, let alone a handful... oh my...

like:
how many trips would that be?
whewwww... and then, wind situations? how is that at the moment,
one wonders...

prayers for all concerned...
BooDawg

Social climber
Butterfly Town
Sep 7, 2014 - 08:26pm PT
About 11:30 a.m. today, my tour arrived at Glacier Point where we could feel a strong southerly wind blowing and see that the smoke from the Meadow Fire had increased substantially from 2 days previously. At various times with binoculars, we could see flames reaching up from behind the hill in the foreground.


By noon, the fire and smoke had increased substantially.


We left Glacier Point then and arrived at Tunnel View at 1:30 p.m. where we saw this dramatic change in the scene!


By the time we reached Ahwahnee Meadow which was being used for a base for helicopter operations, it was 3:20 p.m.


Leaving the Valley, the scene at Valley View looked like this at 3:30 p.m.

HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 8, 2014 - 11:08am PT
Some interesting technical news for wildfire satellite imaging.
Much more "real time" detail will become available soon.
http://www.digitalglobeblog.com/2014/09/03/revealing-the-hidden-world-with-shortwave-infrared-swir-imagery/
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Sep 8, 2014 - 11:28am PT
Thanks for that link, HT. Very inventive use of technology. Now if we could only look through the mountain instead of having to climb it...
bergbryce

climber
East Bay, CA
Sep 8, 2014 - 11:32am PT
Does anyone else find the repeated occurrence of the fires in the YNP region suspicious? The entire state is a tinderbox but this area keeps seeing active fires (I realize the fire that kicked up this weekend was an old fire). WTF??

Is it because the sheer volume of (clueless) visitors in the region?

Weather patterns favorable to this region for lightning strikes, etc?

Proactive fire suppression in the region in the past? What?

Larry

Trad climber
Bisbee
Sep 9, 2014 - 10:15am PT
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 10, 2014 - 10:48am PT
Bonny Doon CDCR inmate camp has been short 2 crews who were sent to the Meadows fire.
So CalFire brought down 2 crews from Trinity River inmate camp (just south of the Trinity Wilderness) to fill in on our Skyline Blvd shaded fuel break projects.
They were like kids on holiday. Almost dancing and singing as they worked. First time with no fire licking at their feet in several weeks.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 10, 2014 - 12:47pm PT
hey there say, High Traverse... thanks for the update...

:)
john hansen

climber
Sep 10, 2014 - 12:59pm PT
That is a really cool photo Larry
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Sep 10, 2014 - 01:19pm PT
^^ Holy frig! ^^ Good luck, eh?

Well, at least the air is still clear by the Big Stone - thanks Boodawg!
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Sep 10, 2014 - 05:49pm PT
The photo that Larry posted is quite the image (previous page). Click it to enlarge it--I like the look of the sun on Watkins...
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 11, 2014 - 09:35am PT
My South Skyline Firesafe Council project is getting major funding from PG&E.
A short history:
A few years ago 2 or 3 major fires were set off by power line faults. I mean big fires. Including at least one up in Tad/Timid's area.
Jump to 2011 - 2013 California budget crisis and reduced funding for CalFire. Including cutting back summer staffing at the stations.
Late 2013 Guv Brown suddenly has a budget surplus.
Plus we get the drought.

Late 2013, thinking ahead, Brown moves significant funds to CalFire to hold summer staffing levels beyond the usual Oct 30 cutoff. (CalFire adds summer staff to all fire stations, usually from April 30 - Oct 30)
Summer staffing maintained through Jan 30, 2014 at least here in the SCruz Mtns.
Then summer staff brought back on April 1 instead of May 1.

Brown then also gives major $$ to the electrical utilities, PG& , SCE etc specifically to reduce vegetation beneath "transmission" lines. I think that means everything over about 10kilovolt. PG&E hires district fire funds managers and one starts coming to our meetings. Money in his pockets.
So PG&E is committing $24K to our Firesafe Council as we're getting pretty good at running these projects.
We've got 2 CalFire inmate crews clearing ground level vegetation, PG&E clearing the trees around the lines, CalTrans traffic control and chipping and our trained crew sponsors on the job every day on Skyline Blvd. After 6 miles on Skyline we'll move on to clearing more old fire roads in the SCruz mtns and another 3 miles in Castle Rock State Park. Believe it or not, the hardest part has been getting traffic control from CalTrans. Commercial traffic control companies get several hundred $ per day for the same service.

As a non-profit firesafe council we pay CalFire $200 per day per crew. We've already spent $7K on crews and we're about 1/3 done. Pretty much on budget so far.
BEFORE:

AFTER:

HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 14, 2014 - 12:29pm PT
#BlackFire in Mendocino county started yesterday PM. It's just N of Lake Mendocino in the Potter Valley area.
Several engines from San Mateo/Santa Cruz/Santa Clara counties formed up a strike team last night.
CalFire must have been really worried about this one.
Of course when a fire starts late in the day, the available time for air assets is limited.

Two of their engines and a pickup got cooked last night.
Both photos from Ukiah Daily Journal
Currently only about 150 acres.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 14, 2014 - 01:37pm PT
I can't say for CalFire overall but I noticed this year that the local helitack chopper (an upgraded Huey) now has a snorkel pump and under belly tank in place of the baggy bucket it's had for years.

It likely takes a little longer to fill the tank but I'm sure it's much safer since the chopper can lift without the drag of the bag. Possibly it also is more accurate on the drop.
Next time I see the local Chief (saw him yesterday at a memorial service) I'll ask.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 14, 2014 - 01:47pm PT
George Johnson, 61 years old.
stalwart volunteer firefighter for 32 years
friend
neighbor
great father
a pillar of knowledge and strength at a fire or road accident.
George died on Sept 5 after a 6 month bout with pancreatic cancer.
He spent the last months of his life with friends and family getting his affairs in order.
George remained active in our Firesafe Council until 2 months ago.
His memorial yesterday. Dozens of neighbors and family, a dozen or so local volunteer and CalFire firefighters paid their respects.
One son is a CalFire firefighter in the Sierra foothills.
His other son is a forest planner for USFS in Oregon.
His daughter April is a cancer survivor and has been his comfort and advocate through his journey.
This is her memorial to George
http://aprilandjoseph.typepad.com/my_weblog/2014/09/a-daughter-pens-her-dads-obituary-george-herbert-johnson-ghj-tree-farm.html
RIP George
you will leave a void in the neighborhood.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 14, 2014 - 02:09pm PT
Our local ALMA helitack copter 106 at work with the new snorkel two years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXewVxKIkYc
this just in

climber
north fork
Sep 14, 2014 - 03:01pm PT
Yeah another one. This is the view of Goat Mountain from North Fork. Guess it's getting close to Bass Lake.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 14, 2014 - 03:08pm PT
hey there say, khanom, are you able to post a map area, showing the newest oakhurst fire, please, when you get a chance, :)
i can also, look, but this faster internet, still seems to staul out, a few times and disconnect... :(

i think, too, it is the moving/animated ads, at some sites, that does some of this, or my browser?

thanks for any map, there... :)
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 14, 2014 - 04:43pm PT
The King Fire North and East of Pollock Pines has exploded to 2000 acres as of 25 mins ago.
This one's looking Really Nasty.
Smoke spreading all the way to Truckee/Tahoe/Reno
Photos here
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23KingFire&src=hash&mode=photos

From Truckee Meadows Fire
Smoke in Washoe County is coming from the King Fire in Pollock Pines, California. #KingFire @CAL_FIRE
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 14, 2014 - 04:48pm PT
George's son is most certainly on the Courtney fire above Oakhurst.
You go Dale! and stay safe.
Willoughby

Social climber
Truckee, CA
Sep 14, 2014 - 04:53pm PT
Way smoky in Truckee, as of about 1/2 hour ago. Came in so thick and sudden I was wondering if it was local.
bergbryce

climber
East Bay, CA
Sep 14, 2014 - 05:05pm PT
King fire popped up to 2k that fast? Wow.
Good luck men and women dealing with this one.
Norwegian

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Sep 14, 2014 - 05:10pm PT
the kings fire is raging in a steep,
over grown canyon
with lots of development
on the rim.

kinda worst case

containment was at 10 percent,
now down to zero perecent contained.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 14, 2014 - 05:14pm PT
From the Twitter feed, the Courtney Fire (east of Oakhurst) also appears to be blowing up.
USFS has been called in. They are attempting to get the choppers out of the way for big fixed wing tankers.
Major evacuations along rte 426, 222 and 274 (Miller Landing)
It's right on the S shore of Bass Lake now.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 14, 2014 - 05:35pm PT
Bloody Hell!!!
Coulterville fire too?
No one's even talking about that little campfire.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Sep 14, 2014 - 05:44pm PT
All shot around 5:20 p.m.

Norwegian

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Sep 14, 2014 - 06:08pm PT
batten down the hand basket.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 14, 2014 - 06:18pm PT
Courtney Fire
Now 320 acres
Tulare County fire teams on their way.
With sundown coming, the air assets will return to base till tomorrow.
Going to be a long night.

Oddly enough, no teams have been sent out of Santa Cruz/San Mateo/Santa Clara counties since this AM.
I guess they can't spare any more.
this just in

climber
north fork
Sep 14, 2014 - 07:19pm PT
Bass Lake
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Sep 14, 2014 - 07:24pm PT
SofCookay

climber
Sep 14, 2014 - 08:03pm PT
Courtney fire as seen from Ahwahnee.






mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Sep 14, 2014 - 08:56pm PT
Salamanizer

Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
Sep 14, 2014 - 10:06pm PT
Only photo I got of the Pollock Pines fire, taken from Twin Lakes east of Wrights Lake.


Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Sep 15, 2014 - 09:27am PT
King Fire going big....
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 15, 2014 - 09:37am PT
The bright spot for the Courtney Fire (Oakhurst) is it's burning up against Bass Lake.
A very effective barrier along at least one side of the fire.
Cal Fire says the fire is human caused, but an investigation is still underway.
https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/courtneyfire?source=feed_text&story_id=839218116112653
And it's still only 320 acres.
This slow motion video of air attack shows at least one house in the fire with several very close by.
http://vimeo.com/user11165303/review/106178808/aeb6e7b9ec
Near the end is that Shuteye Ridge in the background? Or is that Fresno Dome?
this just in

climber
north fork
Sep 15, 2014 - 09:47am PT
I got some good shots on my other camera, the helicopters were doing their best to save the Forks. Not sure if they did.

Yes high traverse, that is Shuteye.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 15, 2014 - 01:50pm PT
firefighters overrun
CalFire REALLY really tries to prevent that. Bummer. This beast is definitely dangerous
King fire pryocumulus cloud
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 15, 2014 - 01:51pm PT
hey there say, khanom... thanks for trying... say, i used the info you gave me, and at least i can pinpoint where it is... and the bass lake, info, of course, now shows me... thanks, :)

thanks for all the update, to you all...

will see what i can find, but really don't need the map thing now...
was wondering how close it was to chappy's, as, they finished that bad scare over there...

sure hope other folks will be fortunate to get through this... or, any of the fires, as well...


HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 15, 2014 - 01:53pm PT
Courtney fire human caused
And not the first this year in the Oakhurst area
Cal Fire spokesman Dennis Mathisen confirms that 20 of the 21 structures burned in the Courtney Fire south of Yosemite National Park on Sunday were homes. Mathisen also says the fire was definitely human-caused — either accident or arson — though the exact origin hasn’t yet been pinned down.

The fire is still threatening about 400 homes near Bass Lake, just northeast of the town of Oakhurst. This is the third fire to have broken out near the town, located at the junction of Highways 41 and 49, in the past month. The first of those, the Junction Fire, burned eight homes. The cause of all three blazes is under investigation.
From KQED.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 15, 2014 - 01:57pm PT
King fire firefighters are safe as of 1:50 PM
The helicopter pilot escorting the 12 firefighters on their escape route told them they were safe at 1:48 p.m. “You guys are looking real good right now”, one of the pilots said. There was talk about getting a large helicopter to drop some water for dust abatement so that another ship could land and pick them up.
John M

climber
Sep 15, 2014 - 04:47pm PT
It got pretty windy here in South Lake Tahoe.. I was worried about the king fire.
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Sep 15, 2014 - 05:59pm PT
This whole thing is just getting beyond frightening. All my best wishes to those in the fire areas.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 15, 2014 - 07:22pm PT
This is Very Bad News.
I haven't heard any SClara/SCruz/SMateo units called out of area today. I'm sure they're not willing to leave the south Bay Area counties unprotected.
There was a small fire on 17 at Pasatiempo. Otherwise quiet here.

Courtney Fire: house likely saved by good defensible space.
I wish my place looked THAT good although I'm in pretty good shape.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 15, 2014 - 07:33pm PT
JHB
be careful out there.


SoCal CalFire has dispatched 3 strike teams to Bolo Fire (Weed)
Wonder how long it will take them to arrive.....
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Sep 15, 2014 - 07:39pm PT
King Fire has now expanded it's evacuation, this thing is blowing up big time. The evacuation site in Pollock Pines has been moved since it is now in a voluntary evacuation area. The fire area doubled today and is 5% contained. I just got back from Oregon and drove up Highway 50 this afternoon to see this just west of Placerville:
Fortunately for us living in Camino the wind shifted and blew out of the SW moving the fire away from us. I'm about 3 miles as the crow fly's from the start point:
We all knew it was coming we just didn't know when and where. Safe passage for those in harms way and a great thanks to those on the lines.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 15, 2014 - 07:39pm PT
Kind of a later start to the season it seems to me,
actually early start.
CalFire usually figures mid September into late October for the Big Ones.

The big timber mill just N of Weed is alight.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 15, 2014 - 07:58pm PT
October is Santa Ana winds season. When the wind blows hot and dry out of the east in central and Southern CA. Can blow very hard for days at a time.

The big Yosemite Rim Fire two years ago burned most of the month of September and well into October.
and the devastating Oakland Hills fire was in October 1991. A year with a pretty good preceding winter wet season.
We happened to be out on my sailboat in SFBay when it went up. We watched it all night from our apartment in Sausalito. 3,354 single-family dwellings and 437 apartment and condominium units gone.
25 dead including Lee Ortenberger and about 150 seriously injured.
And all finished the next evening.
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Sep 15, 2014 - 07:59pm PT
Damn.. This king fire is gonna be in our path me thinks.. Might have to go the scenic route!
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 15, 2014 - 07:59pm PT
Erik
I was just going to post the same pic. From the Weed High School.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Sep 15, 2014 - 08:01pm PT
tx for updating this thread, esp hightraverse and khanom

i'm too slammed now to follow
WBraun

climber
Sep 15, 2014 - 08:06pm PT
HighTraverse -- "The big Yosemite Rim Fire two years ago .."

The Rim fire started August 17, 2013.

That was last year ....
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 15, 2014 - 08:09pm PT
Those kids don't seem too concerned about the blazing forest...
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Sep 15, 2014 - 08:21pm PT
Yup., 97 was the plan... fun with alternate routes! Lol
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Sep 15, 2014 - 08:33pm PT
Gray is extreme right, Clark further left, with clouds.

Good luck, Bass Lakers!
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Sep 15, 2014 - 09:04pm PT
Lol.. Fire near shuteye too! Fires everywhere we're going climbing... Good luck to all the residents!
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 15, 2014 - 10:35pm PT
hey there, say, is there a link for the oakhurst fire, and an arsonist, found??

thanks, i am looking for one, as, we heard this news, from family...
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Sep 16, 2014 - 07:06am PT
Taken from the southeast on Monday the 15th.













HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 16, 2014 - 01:12pm PT
Weed
something like 150 homes destroyed or damaged.
That's got to be a huge percentage of the housing stock.
That little town has been devastated.
It turns out the Roseburg Mill was only damaged, not destroyed.
At least there will still be some jobs in Weed.

Meanwhile the wind is picking up and the fire is not yet completely out.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 16, 2014 - 01:32pm PT
Meanwhile the King Fire N of US 50 continues pretty much unabated
11570 acres
Only 5% contained.

Now there is a voluntary evacuation area SOUTH of US50.
East of Sly Park Rd between US 50 and Park Creek Rd. East to Fresh Pond.
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Sep 16, 2014 - 01:58pm PT
King Fire now has a mandatory evacuation of Swansboro which is on the North side of the American River above Slab Creek Reservoir and on the West side of the fire. Tomorrow the wind is suppose to pick up to 35 mph gusts as a low comes ashore. Wind will be out of the South so it will push the fire further North into Union Valley/Ice House and to the West toward Swansboro.

My fear is as the low moves over the range the wind will shift and come at us out of the North. If the fire has pushed West it will have plenty of fuel to move South with that North wind straight at Camino, Cedar Grove and the Western end of Pollock Pines.

I've got a real bad feeling this thing is about to get a whole lot worse before it gets any better. Let's hope it rains enough Thursday morning so they can get it better contained on that West and South sides in anticipation of the North wind. I'm sure a part of their strategy is to back fire from the Southern containment lines today and tomorrow.

Rub a rabbits foot, cross your fingers and or say a prayer for those in harms way.

HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 16, 2014 - 03:58pm PT
MODIS data is a pretty broad brush. Actual conditions are generally much more localized.
however CalFire's taking no chances with US50.
Fire crews improving fire break with US50 in background.

Voluntary Evacuation Advisories: New voluntary evacuation advisory for the entire community of Swansboro, north of the South Fork of the American River between the American River between Brushy Creek and Rock Creek. Also for east side of Sly Park road between Highway 50 and Park Creek road. This extends east to Fresh Pond.
Sly Park Rd is South of US 50!

weekend before last, I was at a big party at a friend's ranch at the lower end of Sly Park Rd. I really hadn't thought the fire would be moving that direction.
Now keeping my fingers crossed for Dana, Theresa, their goats and chickens. And their newly bought retirement ranch.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 16, 2014 - 05:07pm PT
Crap
there's the spotting up towards Riverton.

At least it's moving away from my friends. They're off the image down and left.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 16, 2014 - 05:10pm PT
hey there say, High Traverse... as to this:

Now keeping my fingers crossed for Dana, Theresa, their goats and chickens. And their newly bought retirement ranch.

will surely keep them in mind, with all the prayers...

saw so many sad stories, coming out of bass lake...
we used to visit there, though only about twice? when we were kids...

:(



so much, i love my homeland, which was mainly mid, and upper calif, as we traveled, did not know much of southern calif, until recently...
very sad to see our beloved state, this was, as to drought and fires...

prayers ongoing, for all the firefighters and family involved...
:(
this just in

climber
north fork
Sep 16, 2014 - 05:23pm PT
Wow, the story behind the Courtney fire is unreal. Hopefully Cal fire releases it soon to confirm the craziness I heard.
John M

climber
Sep 16, 2014 - 05:26pm PT
Wow, the story behind the Courtney fire is unreal. Hopefully Cal fire releases it soon to confirm the craziness I heard.

aw come on. Don't leave us hanging. Leave out names.. what do the rumors say?

allegedly..
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 16, 2014 - 05:32pm PT
hey there say, thisjustin...

i think, from what someone in that area, had mentioned, i wonder if this is what our family had heard, as well...

course, a good friend did say there were rumors going on, too, and such, so
one MUST be cautious and wait...

i am just hoping and praying that things will be safe for all our loved ones, in those areas, as to fires... :(


this, and of course, ALL the fires, have been really awful AWFUL sad...
thank god for all these brave firefighters...

may they be, safer, still...
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 16, 2014 - 05:36pm PT
http://theaviationist.com/2014/09/15/dc10-supertanker-mountain/
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 16, 2014 - 05:40pm PT
I could see the smoke from the june lake fire from crowley...Looks serious...? Cragman...you around...?
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Sep 16, 2014 - 05:43pm PT
Am keeping my fingers crossed and saying a prayer for you and Norwegian, Charlie D., and hoping the winds don't blow in either of your directions.

The same goes for everyone in June Lake. This is becoming a very crazy fire season. Damn!
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 16, 2014 - 05:54pm PT
hey there say, kunlun_shan, and all...

oh my, did NOT know fire was near june lake, now... :O
had not yet, looked up where these other fires were, :O


will keep dean and all, in my heart and prayers... :(
thanks for opening my eyes more, as to these locations...
had been off line all day... no time to search, etc...

hey there say, TGT... thanks for the link...
it is amazing :O what these planes can do, for fire-help...
this just in

climber
north fork
Sep 16, 2014 - 06:16pm PT
Alright John, rumor is a guy poached a deer, had another guy dispose a bag of entrails by burning it. Well I can't believe this would be true, but from where I heard it, I think it is. Sad regardless if this is true.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Sep 16, 2014 - 06:19pm PT
Where the hell are these fires coming from? I haven't seen any daggum lightning......
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 16, 2014 - 06:25pm PT
hey there say, this just in... okay, not the same info that i heard, as to one fire, at least...


HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 16, 2014 - 06:25pm PT
Officially, CalFire isn't saying.
However they have let out hints that the Boles and Courtney fires were human caused.

The 400 square mile Rim Fire last year was caused by a hunter. Had a cooking fire going in an area that was closed to all fires.
Aug 8 news
A federal grand jury indicted Keith Matthew Emerald, a 32-year-old resident of Columbia in Tuolumne County, on a felony charge of setting fire to a forest as well as misdemeanor counts of leaving a fire unattended and violating local fire restrictions.

Emerald is also charged with one felony count of initially lying to investigators about the cause of the inferno. His arraignment is expected to be next week at the U.S. District Court in Fresno. He has not been arrested.
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The four charges against Emerald carry a potential prison sentence up of up to five years and a fine of up to $250,000.
400 square miles. That's equivalent to a square 20 miles on a side!
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 16, 2014 - 07:09pm PT
None of these fires is nearly out.
A lot of wind and or a hot day could blowup any of them.

June Lake fire appears to be at/near the ski area. However the wind (smoke) is blowing towards the village.

Road south entrance is closed at 395
Twitter feed
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23JuneFire&src=hash
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 16, 2014 - 07:16pm PT
King Fire nearly 13000 acres and smoking Reno
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 16, 2014 - 07:22pm PT
That June Fire would make Mammoth Mt. happy if it were to continue..?
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Sep 16, 2014 - 07:34pm PT
It got real smokey at trout creek today... Would that be weed or king fire smoke?
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 16, 2014 - 07:43pm PT
CHP has just reduced US 50 Westbound to 1 lane, east of Pollock Pines.
That's a bad omen.

EDIT:
50 closed both directions between Sly Park Rd/Pollock Pines and Fresh Pond.
Going to be a long night for travelers.

EDIT:
June Lake update
June Fire Grows to 35 Acres
The June Fire, which started at the base of June Mountain, is estimated to be 35 acres. Fire behavior includes torching, spotting, and active runs.
Structures are threatened. Evacuations are mandatory east of June Mountain and south of Hwy 158. Highway 158 is closed at the south junction with Highway 395 and remains closed north to Rainbow Lane.
Structure protection resources are on scene and more are en route.
The June Lake Community Center is open as an emergency shelter. Southern California Edison has powered down power lines at the request of firefighters for firefighter safety.
Numerous resources from California Office of Emergency Services, Cal Fire, Mono County, Inyo County, local fire departments are assisting.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Sep 16, 2014 - 07:59pm PT
hope all the june lake folks are out of harm's way. lots of homes along the fuel edge there.

surprised they didnt close 50 sooner. it'd be a nightmare staging along that road with tourist traffic.

there's a whole lotta fuel in almost any direction there when the wind changes. tomorrow could be brutal.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 16, 2014 - 08:20pm PT
Fire alongside US 50!
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Sep 16, 2014 - 10:06pm PT
King Fire as of 6:30 PM, it's alive and growing exponentially.


Essentially there is no containment as of yet.
Dick Erb

climber
June Lake, CA
Sep 16, 2014 - 10:58pm PT
I heard some airplanes buzzing around this afternoon, went out see what's going on, and saw the plume. Judy and I got in the car and drove up canyon. It was already going pretty good and I got some pics. After dinner I went out for more but the closures were up and I couldn't get close but did get one looking up the road.

Down canyon where Flanders, Cragman, and I live is up wind and seems safe right now.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 17, 2014 - 12:04am PT
hey there say, Dick Erb... (and judy)
as to this:

Down canyon where Flanders, Cragman, and I live is up wind and seems safe right now.

whewwwww, glad you are so far, okay... prayers for all...
thanks for updating... me, myself, i may not know you all, in the same way, that many of the climbers, do, but i sure do care...

mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Sep 17, 2014 - 01:11am PT
It was surprising to me to see this graphic evidence of the smokiness in the SJV because of the fires in the mountains. There is a definite light/dark demarcation in this photo taken last evening about 6:30, due to the clouds to the NW blocking the sunset and casting strange light to the south and west.

The smoke showed up in this photo vividly.

If you're smart, you'll stay indoors as much as you can, like I'm doing till I leave for Facelift...except to take the garbage out, of course.

neebee's right, we all care because "it could happen here."



HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 17, 2014 - 09:42am PT
The #JuneFire is largely at the resort.
So far.

Posted last evening
This view is from the direction of Cragman's place.
Dean may be too busy helping out to post here.
Dick Erb

climber
June Lake, CA
Sep 17, 2014 - 12:50pm PT
HT, Nice photo that one was taken from Northshore Drive, Cragman's place is off to the right a couple of miles down canyon. The fire started near the base of the ski area but moved up and left burning over one run called Canyon Trail but getting further away from any ski lifts or buildings as it progressed.

Because of road closures I can't get as close as I did yesterday. But I was able to get a few. It looks like it didn't expand a lot overnight.
Tork

climber
Yosemite
Sep 17, 2014 - 01:11pm PT
Great shots Dick. You beat me to the punch... like you said, Cragman and Flanders are a bit farther to the west. I am in the Peterson Track and gotta say it is kinda creepy over here. Kinda a ghost town. Sounds like WWIII with all the air traffic.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Sep 17, 2014 - 02:02pm PT
video feed of the plume from the NV side of Tahoe-- from the UNV Seismo lab's new cam

[Click to View YouTube Video]
Tork

climber
Yosemite
Sep 17, 2014 - 02:13pm PT
The air traffic sure seems to have died down here in June, hope that's a good sign. The wind seems to have picked up though.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 17, 2014 - 02:14pm PT
King Fire:
US 50 is now open. One lane only westbound in the area of the fire, between Sly Park and Fresh Pond.
Well over 18000 acres now.
By comparison, the Rim Fire was 257,000 acres.
Latest MODIS imagery.
Fire is moving NNW into sparsely populated country. It appears that whole area has previously been logged.
bergbryce

climber
East Bay, CA
Sep 17, 2014 - 04:13pm PT
Ron quote from another thread currently making the rounds....

For instance, I could say that right now, a large portion of the Eldorado NF is burning , due to the fact it fell decadent and over stocked by NON treatment. And that its torching right now in an un-natural way due to those conditions. And that is 100% truth. BUT to those so opposed to "logging" it will be considered inflammatory and then abused, condemned and insulted.

What are all those polka-dot looking things in the northern half of High Traverse's map right above? That region of Eldo NF sure looks like it has been seeing some pretty active timber management.

FYI... those are forest clear cuts for non remote-sensing pros. The whole northern half of that map is a patchwork of forest in varying stages of regeneration (look at google maps of the area).
The canyon next to the highway is steep (read: more difficult to log) and probably full of fuel, hence the rapid initial growth. Hopefully if the fire continues to move northward it will hit these areas that appear to have less growth and it will get tamped down some.

Edited to add: I don't have any problem with logging forests. Forests grow back. Much of the demise of N. America's logging industry is due not to environmentalists but because of global economics. Malaysia and other Asian countries got into timber products in a big way in the past 20 years and it's a lot cheaper to get raw materials from there than here. The timer industry has paralleled the steel industry somewhat.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 17, 2014 - 04:35pm PT
bergbryce
Thanks for picking up that logging info. Of course once you've clearcut, then the forest grows back with all trees the same size. So about 20-40 years later you've got a dense forest of smallish evergreen trees. Few of them can grow large due to the crowding. Deciduous trees, especially oaks, can't grow quickly beneath the canopy of evergreens.
Perfect Storm fuel load.

King Fire has grown a LOT in the past 2 hrs 15 minutes.
Significant expansion North and NW.
Town of Volcanoville (upper left of this pic) now under voluntary evacuation! Or possibly mandatory. Sources are conflicting.
bergbryce

climber
East Bay, CA
Sep 17, 2014 - 04:43pm PT
I actually have no idea how previously clearcut areas would react to fire. I was hoping younger stands = better suppression, but I really don't know.

This month has gotten really bad, fast. I feel for the town of Weed, those pictures are terrible.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 17, 2014 - 05:04pm PT
Opposite sides of the Hetch Hetchy road, last Nov after the Rim Fire:

This was apparently an old clear cut that was then left to grow. The area beyond the trees is still meadow.

This is what we do on a shaded fuel break. Take out all the small stuff (less than 8" diameter) up to 10 feet above the ground and leave all the big stuff. Now you have a healthy forest of mixed age trees.
Can it burn? yes......
but it sure slows the fire down and gives the fire crews a chance to stop it.
And yes, 3 or 4 years later you have to come back and give it a haircut.
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Sep 17, 2014 - 05:12pm PT
In Tecoya, Yos Village, looking up at Half Dome.

Zero smoke, clear skies.

Got two pitches fixed on Bad to the Bone with fellow Hosers Jon and Dom. Woo-hoo!!!
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 17, 2014 - 05:25pm PT
hope you don't get any wind changes or inversion layers!
Good luck up there.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 17, 2014 - 05:59pm PT
hey there say, High Travers... say, i was going to email you, as, i was curious about how all this works... clearcut, etc and all you were talking about, but say, NOW that you posted a bit about it and how 'fire fuel' stuff, and all this, works... i think i got it now...

thanks... :)

i have wondered about various areas, how or why they burn more, (barring wind changes, etc) and i wanted to understand... thanks again...
i know nothing about how logging or healthy cutting, or anything, works,
:(

edit: folks being allowed back to bass lake...
news from about 11 hours ago, so the link said:

http://abc30.com/news/courtney-fire-destroys-33-homes-60-percent-contained/308362/
John M

climber
Sep 17, 2014 - 06:05pm PT
The same thing happens in the national parks. If you want to move up, then you have to move to a different park. You end up with highly experienced people who often don't know the park that they are working in. So they come in and change the rules because they don't understand the local situation. It can be a real pain in the ass. But then you also have long time employees whom you wish would move to a different park.. ack..
John M

climber
Sep 17, 2014 - 06:59pm PT
It was pretty windy in South Lake Tahoe today. The smoke plume is very visible. I wish that I had a camera.
bergbryce

climber
East Bay, CA
Sep 17, 2014 - 07:30pm PT
That thing is RAGIN'!
What's it gonna take to stop it??
Nkane

Trad climber
San Francisco, USA
Sep 17, 2014 - 07:31pm PT
I just took this from Twin Peaks in SAN FRANCISCO! That is a very big smoke plume. Thoughts to all in its path.

Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Sep 17, 2014 - 09:22pm PT
From downtown Placerville...
From Carson Road in Camino before it blew up at 5:00 PM
Last night along Highway 50...
Getting ready for the wind to change tomorrow night and on into Friday morning as the low passes over the range, clearing below our house and out buildings above the canyon....
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 17, 2014 - 11:47pm PT
hey there say, khanom... THANKS for the update on the june lake fire...


say, Charlie D... :O

praying, oh my... stay safe, through safe... no words, left, :(

you are in our hearts, though we can't battle with you, we can only do
what we can do, ...
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Sep 18, 2014 - 12:48am PT
I have been meaning to ask, how's the Oakhurst fire?
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Sep 18, 2014 - 03:15am PT
Hey HT. Where do you get those modis maps? I wanna be up to date while we're within the king fire's domain..
Norwegian

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Sep 18, 2014 - 03:37am PT
the wind has shifted to the south.
this is troublesome as the majority
of development lies on that
front of the fire.
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Sep 18, 2014 - 03:46am PT
Sh#t weege!! Blow north again dammit..
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 18, 2014 - 03:55am PT
hey there say, patrick... here is a link:

http://yubanet.com/CAFires/Courtney_-_Oakhurst.php

it ended up doing a sad damage at bass lake area, :(
as it moved along... :(
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Sep 18, 2014 - 04:18am PT
Boles fire in Weed.
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Fire-rages-in-town-near-Yosemite-National-Park-5756355.php


Courtney fire in Oakhurst.
http://www.sierranewsonline.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=4262%3Aevacuation-orders-lifted-for-courtney-fire-residents-only&Itemid=467
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Sep 18, 2014 - 06:07am PT
http://www.weather.com/safety/wildfires/california-wildfire-update-king-fire-boles-fire-20140917
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Sep 18, 2014 - 06:20am PT
geomac has nice fire maps

http://www.geomac.gov/viewer/viewer.shtml

Edit: Click "Jump to Wildfire" in top right corner of page
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Sep 18, 2014 - 08:06am PT
09/18/2014
0745 CA-ENF King Fire: 70,944 acres, 5% contained. The fire remained active overnight. Incident personel determined that the fire made a run of over ten miles north between 1600 yesterday and 0600 this morning.

09/17/2014
1845 CA-ENF King Fire: 27,930 acres, 5% contained. This afternoon fire behavior became extreme with plume domination, crown runs and long range spotting.
bergbryce

climber
East Bay, CA
Sep 18, 2014 - 08:11am PT
Almost tripled in size overnight. Wow.
It's raining (lightly) in the east bay this morning. Anything up that way?
John M

climber
Sep 18, 2014 - 09:02am PT
Ron.. if you look at Dingus' photos on the previous page you can see that anvil. There were clouds of smoke lower then it all along that area. I could see it from south lake tahoe too.
John M

climber
Sep 18, 2014 - 09:14am PT
Just before sunset was when I saw it too. The winds had been pretty fierce for a few hours which is likely what pushed the fire so far.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Sep 18, 2014 - 09:15am PT
42k overnight

wow


klk

Trad climber
cali
Sep 18, 2014 - 09:39am PT
yeah, it may be awhile before we have an elaborated daily progression map, but based on the line reports, it sounds like it actually blew up 40k

presumably spotting and then in-filling

chad hanson's credibility on sierra fire trends is really taking a beating.

bergbryce

climber
East Bay, CA
Sep 18, 2014 - 09:41am PT
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 18, 2014 - 09:46am PT
Big Mike and others.
Getting the satellite data into Google Earth is not so easy.
First of course you need Google Earth
And your web browser.

In your browser go to
http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/googleearth.php

below the US Map are your KML choices.
Select Fire Detections(MODIS): Current

This will download a small KML "widget" to your browser downloads folder.
"conus_latest_modis.kml
Just double click that widget (at least on a Mac) and Google Earth will launch and install a "Places" folder and download all the data.
You're still not finished. You now need to navigate Google Earth to the area you're interested in. e.g. Pollock Pines, CA
Presto. Hopefully.

If you save the Active File Mapping Program folder as a Google Earth Place, you won't have to go find it again next time. Like any Google Earth Places folder, you can turn it on or off.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 18, 2014 - 09:56am PT
Current MODIS
Lake Tahoe in upper right of image.

NOTE the legend in the top left corner. The time is Mountain Daylight Time
The MODIS data is actually a "spot". The graphics then draw a square around it.
This is not an accurate representation of the fire boundary. khanom and others have given links to that.
I like the Google Earth representation because I can see the topography, land use, buildings, roads, creeks, etc.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 18, 2014 - 10:01am PT
Boles Fire in Weed
Still 1100 fire personnel and 100 vehicles on the fire.
65% contained.
Angels' Valley and part of Weed still under mandatory evacuation.
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Sep 18, 2014 - 10:28am PT
I just heard about this Pollock Pines fire, thought I'd check here on Weegie and the other local denizens, and I shouldn't be surprised to see it is getting plenty of attention. Fingers crossed that the caprice of nature favors the preservation of your material gatherings.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 18, 2014 - 10:31am PT
From News 10 (wherever/whatever they are)
Wayne Allen Huntsman charged with deliberately setting #KingFire. Details to follow
37 years old
In jail, $10,000,000.00 bond
Yes, $10million
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 18, 2014 - 10:51am PT
King Fire smoke plume is forecast to reach Idaho today!
http://t.co/8PFm9rtQxx
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 18, 2014 - 10:58am PT
View from Lake Tahoe. I'd guess yesterday evening given the lighting on the clouds.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Sep 18, 2014 - 11:03am PT
Deja voodoo.

Remember how, at Facelift last year,

When much of our talk was all about fear

For the safety of Groveland and towns which lay near?


I mean, what'll we talk about this year besides more fires?


How about a critical discussion of Baldwin's The Fire Next Time? You know, for those who don't wish to play Bingo?

This is an attempt at levity, folks,

To lighten your minds over this series of "jokes"

Which is burning up pines, manzanita and oaks.

i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Sep 18, 2014 - 11:22am PT
View from Lake Tahoe. I'd guess yesterday evening given the lighting on the clouds.
Yes that was last evening. It was pretty scary looking. Here was the view when I arrived at work. It got worse from there but we were busy and I was unable to take more pics
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 18, 2014 - 12:32pm PT
Several bay area city fire depts have been called out to the King Fire for structure protection.
Latest is Mountain View.

CalFire appears to be holding all engines and crews in the Santa Cruz/San Mateo counties unit.
The CDCR inmate crews we've been using for fire clearance have been absent all week.

We've had drizzle here in the SCruz mts since last night. No measurable precipitation but it's got to be helping the vegetation a little bit. First moisture since mid July and that was just a very damp fog.

Chance of thunderstorms in the Pollock Pines/Tahoe area this afternoon.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Sep 18, 2014 - 12:44pm PT
KRNV in Reno:

http://www.mynews4.com/news/story/BREAKING-Air-quality-reaches-unhealthy-level/24RXF2gbREC3DZaeiciEjQ.cspx

(Will not enlarge.)
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 18, 2014 - 01:10pm PT
I'd say we should all be given a two year hiatus from having to have our vehicles smogged.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 18, 2014 - 02:21pm PT
^^^^^
that makes about as much sense as removing all water restrictions!!

50 closed from Fresh Pond to Riverton.
Fire front 8 miles from Alpine Meadows who are in fire preparedness mode now. Charging up their snowmaking equipment.
Speaking of drought, there's a big use of water.
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Sep 18, 2014 - 02:33pm PT
the vast majority of water used for snowmaking is returned to the watershed. it's a large use of electricity however
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 18, 2014 - 03:20pm PT
gumby
right you are. However it's difficult to know how much is drawn from the aquifers vs how much then evaporates or runs off down the Truckee river.
It's all in the balance.
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Sep 18, 2014 - 05:25pm PT
So, I just heard a news tidbit on one of our LA news stations that the King fire is now 70,000+ acres.

Is this true? Or is this typical media stupidity?
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Sep 18, 2014 - 05:30pm PT
The fire was over 70,000 acres this morning, presumably it is growing this afternoon.

Any pics?

What's the weather forecast?
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Sep 18, 2014 - 05:36pm PT
Wow. The last time I saw a fire this big was the Station fire in the Angeles Crest above Pasadena/La Canada.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 18, 2014 - 06:55pm PT
Some of the statistics are mind boggling
From the latest CalFire report (6:00 PM)
73,184 acres - 10% contained
So now it's about 1/4 the size of the Rim Fire last year. Which took over a month to put out.
12,000 single residences and 9,000 other minor structures
So far no residences lost. That's pretty amazing.

Current info
Total personal 3842
Fire engines: 327
Fire crews: 99
Helicopters: 15
Dozers: 49 !! That's one dozer for every 2 crews.
Water tenders: 80!!

The fire nearly tripled in size making a run to the northeast yesterday of over 10 miles up the Rubicon Canyon towards Hell Hole Reservoir. Spot fires were observed up to 3 miles ahead of the fire front and have moved into Placer County.

Ron I think it's going to be some time yet until your air clears.
Hows the pup? Been thinking about you and her.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 18, 2014 - 07:03pm PT
Looks like they're holding the King Fire between Hell Hole and French Meadow reservoirs
john hansen

climber
Sep 18, 2014 - 07:16pm PT
Between the lakes is a good spot to stop it there, at least they have plenty of water for the choppers.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 18, 2014 - 07:19pm PT
Ron.....glad to hear she's doing a bit better.

plenty of water for the choppers?
I wonder just how full those reservoirs are after 2 years of drought.
French Mdws reservoir has a capacity of 136000 acre feet.
As of last week it was down to 49000
Hell Hole capacity is 208000 acre feet, currently at 71000 af.
so they are both a bit over 1/3 capacity.


And none of the air assets can work at night. They're all back at their airfields getting serviced and the crews getting some shuteye till dawn tomorrow.

For the next 10 hours its strictly man against fire.

Ron, do you have any idea if they work the dozers at night?
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Sep 18, 2014 - 07:22pm PT
I'd advise 'toughen up cupcake' but those living in the
dry Sierra forests got to be ready for this worst.
John M

climber
Sep 18, 2014 - 07:29pm PT
t's 8 miles from Alpine Meadows. Better stop it there between those lakes.

It ran 10 miles last night. But thankfully the winds have shifted direction, though I don't know for how long.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 18, 2014 - 07:31pm PT
also it's getting up into the area of lots of granite and less dense forest cover.
Better fighting access and less fuel load.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 18, 2014 - 07:46pm PT
speaking of reservoir levels.
Here are California's majors as of midnight last night.
The thin red line and red percentages are the historical averages for the same date.
Pyramid Lake is an interesting outlier.
With Castaic they form a pumped storage hydro-electric pair
At night water is pumped from Castaic up to Pyramid lake when the SoCal electricity demand is lowest. Then during the daytime, usually late afternoon, when the demand is highest the water is returned through the generators. So when things are going properly, Pyramid Lake will always be approximately full at midnight.
Courtright and Wishon are the only other pumped storage system in CA.
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Sep 18, 2014 - 07:51pm PT
King fire from South Lake Tahoe 20 mins ago.

North lake was engulfed in smoke...

Ht thanks for the fire links!
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Sep 18, 2014 - 07:52pm PT
also it's getting up into the area of lots of granite and less dense forest cover.
Better fighting access and less fuel load.
sort of. the crystal range ends at hell hole so if there was a way for fire to enter the basin from the west, between those lakes would have to be it. the winds have definitely shifted though and the smoke is now dense in south lake too. if it's out of the basin and the wind shifts back to ENE that's no big deal. if it makes it into the north basin and the wind shifts to ENE it could be a big deal.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 18, 2014 - 07:59pm PT
Big Mike
for a beautiful photo that's sure depressing!

gumby....ron....thanks for the info
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Sep 18, 2014 - 08:11pm PT
Ht yeah. Catch 22 eh? Those reds only come from fire clouds.. The sun filtered through the smoke looks amazing.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 18, 2014 - 08:26pm PT
Ron...does it make you feel good murdering animals..? rj
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Sep 18, 2014 - 08:32pm PT
King Fire from Lake Tahoe last night....

Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Sep 18, 2014 - 08:33pm PT
Rj, would you call native americans muderers then???
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 18, 2014 - 08:37pm PT
Big Mike...Ron is a native American...Whens the squeege off with Cosmic...? rj
klk

Trad climber
cali
Sep 18, 2014 - 10:20pm PT
Courtright and Wishon are the only other pumped storage system in CA.

san luis reservoir is pumped storage.

Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Sep 19, 2014 - 04:08am PT
SMUD (Sacramento Municipal Utility District) is planning a pump storage project/reservor above the South Fork of the American River near Camino.
Norwegian

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Sep 19, 2014 - 04:36am PT
charlie we've a party of three
at the leap on saturday.

care to even the odds?
pinckbrown

Trad climber
Lake Tahoe, CA
Sep 19, 2014 - 07:58am PT
This is photo of my wife sifting through the ashes
after the Angora Fire. Massively changed our life.
We know how fast it can spread & how the fire creates
it's own weather/wind. We hope no one is hurt or
killed. You can rebuild. Oddly, our new home is sided
with Cedar from the Angora Fire.
Bob & Cheryl Pinckney.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Sep 19, 2014 - 08:12am PT
09/19/2014
0730 CA-ENF King Fire: 76,376 acres, 10% contained. Evening winds became down slope and down canyon, bring the fire down into the canyons. This may cause significant runs back up the canyons today when the winds shift to upcanyon/upslope.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 19, 2014 - 08:32am PT
klk.....thanks for the info. I just looked it up on Wikipedia. I went through the San Luis visitor center last year and don't recall the pumped storage thing. I'm very interested P-S so I must've been in a hurry at the visitor center (I was taking a quick break from a HOT motorcycle ride. That's my excuse and I'm sticking with it).

Meanwhile the LA Times has an excellent set of photos of King Fire
http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-north-wildfires-20140919-story.html

And people are now returning to their homes in Angel Valley (Weed). Now 90% contained.
John M

climber
Sep 19, 2014 - 08:43am PT
At the San Luis Res they make electricity during the day by releasing it from the res into the O'Neill Forebay. Then at night, when power is cheap, they pump it back up into the res.
John M

climber
Sep 19, 2014 - 08:50am PT
got that right.. my pops was one of them.. hahaha.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 19, 2014 - 09:01am PT
has no natural water source
Coming over San Luis dam two weeks ago I was indeed wondering where all the water comes from.
D'oh!
I really MUST have been sleep walking through the visitor center.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 19, 2014 - 09:18am PT
CalFire budget being discussed on KQED Forum right now.

Cal budget year starts July 1.
Annual firefighting budget is almost empty, will probably be zero by next week.
$209 million budget, $190 million spent. Estimated total cost of King Fire alone is $10million.
Budget is based upon preceding 5 year average.
Which is insufficient due to the drought.
Gov Brown's contingency funds will be available so we don't need to worry too much......yet.....
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 19, 2014 - 09:26am PT
Good news
Courtney fire (Oakhurst/Bass Lake) now 90% contained, all evacuations lifted.

Bad news
30 residences, 19 outbuildings, 13 vehicles and 4 recreational vehicles destroyed
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Sep 19, 2014 - 10:12am PT
Great news about the Courtney fire. Hopefully they get that one mopped up by the time we get to shuteye. They just issued a volountary evacuation for Kyberz. On the modis it looks like the fire's coming up the Hwy 50 corridor a bit.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 19, 2014 - 10:31am PT
King Fire
This is the "official" info page from the Public Information Officer
Among other things, it corrects stuff that's been put out by unofficial sources.
https://www.facebook.com/KINGFIREPIO
US 50 is open but 1 lane Westbound from Riverton to Pollock Pines.

Big Mike
you're getting a Big California Adventure!
Shuteye area was never threatened. I doubt even the access roads were closed. The smoke should not be too bad now.
However It Ain't Over Till It's Over.
John M

climber
Sep 19, 2014 - 11:01am PT
Khanom.. I'm betting that the smoke is from the KIng fire. Winds have been out of the north.
Mtnmun

Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
Sep 19, 2014 - 11:59am PT
My friends Tim and Carol have lost their home to the King Fire.

http://m.kfbk.com/articles/kfbk-news-461777/despite-reports-homes-lost-in-the-12782589

Mtnmun

Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
Sep 19, 2014 - 01:09pm PT
The damage is being assessed. This is a remote area that would have been tough to get into as the fire passed. Tim says several of his neighbors lost their homes too.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 19, 2014 - 01:22pm PT
Sorry to hear your friend Tim and some of his neighbors have lost their houses. I hope he didn't lose any animals
Mtnmun

Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
Sep 19, 2014 - 01:44pm PT
They got themselves and their dogs out safely, maybe it was not so lucky for the local wildlife population.
WBraun

climber
Sep 19, 2014 - 03:12pm PT
From space Reid Wiseman Tahoe king Fire

neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 19, 2014 - 06:42pm PT
hey there say, mtnmun... was very sorry to hear this... :(

prayers for their help, in whatever ways possible... :(
thank you for sharing... let's hope that something really good
will show up to help them, after all this awful thing...
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Sep 19, 2014 - 07:22pm PT
09/19/2014
1830 CA-ENF King Fire: 76,376 acres, 10% contained. The north portion of the fire was under an east wind influence with 18-20 mph winds, and gusts to 38 mph, which pushed the fire to the west. A spot fire 2 miles ahead of the main fire front caused resources to withdraw from the area. Down canyon winds, with an easterly wind influence, is expected to bring more than normal active fire behavior throughout the night.
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Sep 19, 2014 - 07:29pm PT
Ya we are HT! Adding a little spice to the old vacay! Lol

Smoke got real bad here this afternoon too..
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Sep 19, 2014 - 09:05pm PT
These big burns happen from time to time. Usually it's just natures way of cleaning things up, but when some idiot comes along...

They should tie him to a tree in front of the fire and really let nature take it's course.
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Sep 19, 2014 - 09:58pm PT
Knee jerk reaction on my part. They paint a very different picture down here on the media. Like all of us, he deserves the same rights.

Point taken.
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Sep 19, 2014 - 11:41pm PT
Or we could say hey, let's investigate to make really really sure he's guilty before lynching him.


E.g. Did you know that he actually broke into someone's house to call 911 to report the fire? That's how he was arrested.
That kind of brazen behavior is common among arsonists, who tend to want to admire their work and the reactions it evokes. It's not enough to arrest someone but definitely enough to get them a hard look, and there are now lots of ways to gather physical evidence once you're looking hard at someone.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Sep 20, 2014 - 06:56am PT
Heeeeyyy......wait a minute..... Gumby's acting a bit like an arsonist isn't he?......

GET HIM!!!

:)
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Sep 20, 2014 - 08:11am PT
Except that it's not the job of casual observers who have none of that evidence to determine his guilt. And btw, you are an expert on the psychology of arsonists?
I'm not the one saying let's lynch him. Just pointing out that him breaking into someone's house to call 911 is no reason to exonerate him as you suggested.
And I don't need to be a psychologist to know reporting the fire is common among arsonists and pyromaniacs. I just need to be able to read. My 'guess' is that because he reported it he was interrogated and he confessed.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Sep 20, 2014 - 09:16am PT
The fire's approaching Blodgett Research Station, one of UC's experimental forest plots. They've cut line at the lower end and may backfire.

Good map of the past burn/treatment patterns on their FB page:

https://www.facebook.com/192400293719/photos/a.10150286921078720.342064.192400293719/10152449407268720/?type=1&theater





Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Sep 20, 2014 - 10:29am PT
Did I hear they are spending around 5 Millon dollars a day on this 'the King' fire? Record setting for sure.... This could be our first Billion dollar fire!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 20, 2014 - 11:09am PT
$5 MILLION PER DAY? That's WEAK by Pentagon standards! They do that per minute!
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 20, 2014 - 11:33am PT
Blodgett Forest
Interesting map. It appears as if they've done a number of forest fuel reduction experiments.
They might now get a Proof Of Concept test.
I'm definitely not cheering for the fire to go through their experiments but it's an ill wind that blows no good.
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Sep 20, 2014 - 12:22pm PT
I don't know the area. Is this thing headed for any residences or other structures?
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Sep 20, 2014 - 12:25pm PT
RLF, it is near houses. My friends who live off of Ice House Rd lost their home.
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Sep 20, 2014 - 03:42pm PT
I'm sorry to hear that. Hopefully nobody has to suffer that kind of loss.
john hansen

climber
Sep 20, 2014 - 05:51pm PT
Looks like they might get some rain over the King fire too, seems to be moving north, hopefully with no lightning.

http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/northern-california/weather-radar


http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/west/weus/flash-avn.html
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 20, 2014 - 06:05pm PT
hey there say, khanom... and john hansen... thanks for the rain update...

hope and pray...


oh brandon, very sorry to hear of the friends home, lost, :(


still hoping for any kind of good news, though, it's been
a hard hope, :(
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Sep 20, 2014 - 06:24pm PT
Bishop Cam looks as if it could be raining in the high elevations.


http://www.sierracamnetwork.com/viewcams.php?group=Bishop%20Cam
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Sep 20, 2014 - 11:28pm PT
Rain, thunder and lightning here in Stawberry... Hope new ones don't pop up...
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 21, 2014 - 09:37am PT
Talked to friends in Weed...They said people were running out the back doors of their homes as the fire hit the front of their homes barely escaping...40 mph winds kept any smoke plumes from developing and camoflauged the racing flames...Allegedly the fire was started by transients..3rd time Weed has burned...
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Sep 21, 2014 - 10:39am PT
If anyone wants to help victims of the King fire directly, my friends lost everything and are in need of basics.

From Cat, 'm/l size 8 jeans/dress size 7.5/8 shoe. Matt's 32 waist m shirt 10 shoe.'

Clothes help, and any extras will go to the right place.

I've spent a good bit of time at their little slice of paradise, so sad to think that it is gone.

Also, Matt is a carpenter, so any extra tools might help. PM me for details if you might have something to give.

Thanks,
Brandon
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 21, 2014 - 02:43pm PT
King Fire appears to have finally reached stasis.
Let's hope they can keep it that way.
It will be weeks before they can claim to have it completely out.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Sep 21, 2014 - 02:48pm PT
I can't tell from your map, but it looks as though it could have reached the Sequoia grove east of Foresthill. Anybody know?

HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 21, 2014 - 02:54pm PT
I haven't seen any reference to Sequoias. But they're fire resistant. In fact they need fire to mature their seeds.
They learned this the hard way in Yosemite where they were suppressing all fire in the Sequoia groves for years. Suddenly they had no young trees. Now they let 'em burn.

EDIT:
I did a little sleuthing.
I believe this is the location of the Place County Grove
Wikipedia says there are only 6 trees with diameters up to 12 feet.
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Sep 21, 2014 - 04:31pm PT
Major activity on SW corner, large industrial strength helicopters flying over head every 5 minutes. Must be loading up at the mill site in Camino. It's crazy here, my smoke alarm just went off in the house, we're on edge!
kaholatingtong

Trad climber
Nevada City
Sep 21, 2014 - 04:34pm PT
Holy effing smoke!! Best wishes to all those affected directly by the fires, and good luck to all working on them!
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Sep 21, 2014 - 05:39pm PT
King Fire....
Yesterday late afternoon they were dropping on the Western line adjacent to Swansboro which is about 2 miles due north from our property on the north side of the South Fork.
Here's a close up of the industrial strength fire suppression:
Cal Fire has been building a huge fire break on Iowa Hill, we're talking the right of way width of Interstate 80 over Donner Summit. It's connecting up with the clearing SMUD and PG&E did under their power lines. The ridge is the one beyond the power lines that you see in the first photo.

I heard their intention is to back fire from the ridge down to the American River at Slab Creek Reservoir, holy sh*t! The SW corner does remain active which is a threat to Camino, Audubon Hills, Union Ridge and Placerville not to mention Swansboro who is on the western front in trenches.

We're not out of the woods south of the American River.

Charlie D.
Camino, CA
klk

Trad climber
cali
Sep 21, 2014 - 06:03pm PT
tx for the pix, charlie. best of luck.

yeah, local canyon winds can go ape at any time. we've been really fortunate with the humidity.

fingers crossed
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 21, 2014 - 06:22pm PT
hey there say, brandon- say, my extra clothes, here, are so of the old old type stuff, most likely no one would want them, and i could not mail, until oct, second week, anyway, but say:

my very good childhood friend, in brentwood area, just may have some stuff, so i will talk to her... i will email and you can send an address, if she can do this... or, also, if my shirts, may be welcome, even a bit late, let me know... most are gal's shirts, a bit cowboyish type, and a few guy shirts, too, but they are really worn-thrift-store types, so i don't want to
push these, if there is some nicer sturdier stuff, near by, on the way...

wish i could help more, too, but i am too far, off...

when they have a home again, i can send any kind of free scenic, etc, or whatever, artwork to help redecorate--but that is a long time off, i know, :(

prayers, until then...
good for you, to get this 'help message' out, here...
very sad for their loss... and for the loss that so many have gone through.. :(
John M

climber
Sep 22, 2014 - 02:15pm PT
where is road 200 in Oakhurst?


Edit: found it. I believe its the north fork turnoff. Way down below Oakhurst.

According to sierra news online

http://www.oakhurstarea.com

**CHP has shut down Highway 41 between Road 200 (North Fork turn-off) and Road 208 (22 Mile House) due to fire containment efforts.*

double edit.

fires controlled. 41 to reopen

http://www.sierranewsonline.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=4287%3Astring-of-fires-closes-highway-41&Itemid=578
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Sep 22, 2014 - 03:13pm PT
King Fire...

Significant activity on SW corner, it's burning on North side of Slab Creek Reservoir. This photo is looking East to Slab Creek with ground fire creeping toward Swansboro. The orange colored trees in the foreground are the containment line on the South side of the River above the dam.

The winds are out of the SW and are gusting, so far no fire on South side of River except up by Forebay where it started. This photo is of the plume over Iowa Hill which has undergone a massive clearing operation. What's burning is on the North side of the River, it may even be a back fire set from the water so the Iowa Hill containment line on the South side and the last hope for Camino won't be challenged.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 23, 2014 - 06:06pm PT
hey there say, khanom... thanks for the 35 % update, ... i been trying to find new info, last night and could not find any...

thanks!
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 24, 2014 - 01:45pm PT
hey there say, just a bump, to help our FIRST PAGE,

HOWEVER, awww, yes, i DO love the post that i am bumping, too...
you are of value, ...


just that i can't always visit everything and post...
but today, is REALLY NEEDED FOR HELP, TO US ALL...

WILL TRY to bump some more...
this 'message will repeat' for a bit, in the bumps...
:)

hope i am helping...
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Sep 24, 2014 - 08:14pm PT
King Fire:

Great success with back fire operations on the Southwest corner yesterday and today, here's some stunning photos of the burn on the North Side of the American River above Slab Creek Reservoir.

Here's an image of the Southern edge of the burn looking west. Our home is shown on the map; see Apple Tree Lane. We're out of the woods now in Camino and I hope Swansboro, the Northern and Eastern edges are troublesome.


What an awesome job the air and ground support did in protecting us from this monster. Let's hope it rains tomorrow morning and melts this wicked witch into the earth.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Sep 24, 2014 - 08:45pm PT
congrats, charlie.

did u take those photos?

looks like we're expecting on shores and a mild low, so we may all have dodged a bullet with this one.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 25, 2014 - 02:02am PT
hey there say, charlie!! great to hear this update...

hoping for rain then... wow...

god bless, this eve to you...

Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Sep 25, 2014 - 05:01am PT
klk, my buddy took them from a mutural friends property down our canyon just above the River. It's been front row seats watching the King Fire from their place which has a point of land that basically just sticks out into the canyon, spectacular spot. He also has a straight view to the East of where the new pump storage dam will be constructed on top of Iowa Hill.
Norwegian

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Sep 25, 2014 - 05:22am PT
charlie i'm sorry that i wasn't there
to lend a hand.
ain't my alcoholism cute?


honestly, i did not realize that you were
so exposed the fire's flank.

once the blaze headed east and north,
i stopped paying close attention to it.

good work and i'm sure that
your place looks great
with all your clearing efforts.

that damn plume just won't go away.
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Sep 25, 2014 - 05:58am PT
Hey Chuck, yea I think we dodged a bullet on the SW corner. Glad the beast was stopped there, let's connect soon and discuss all the good things in life. BTW I need a chipper crew and you to keep moving forward on into these woods.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Sep 25, 2014 - 08:30am PT
Raining pretty hard in Newcastle right now. I hope this is giving some relief to the fire warriors!!!
John M

climber
Sep 25, 2014 - 09:54am PT
the inciweb site is only updated at best twice a day. They have hotlines now for communities with wild land fires burning near or through them. It seems to be standard procedure. Its better then having people call 911. Its amazing how much misinformation gets out there. Plus there are still lots of older folks who don't use the internet.

The band of moisture seems to be pretty narrow. Hopefully it parks itself over the fire for awhile. From the radar its doesn't like its there yet.

http://www.intellicast.com/National/Radar/Current.aspx?location=USCA0987&animate=true
john hansen

climber
Sep 25, 2014 - 03:58pm PT
Looks like they are getting the rain right were they need it.
Hope it keeps going for another few hours.


http://www.kcra.com/weather/radar
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 25, 2014 - 05:18pm PT
hey there say, DMT... wow, i had to stop by here...


just heard THERE IS RAIN... :)


yep, sure hope it is getting the right spots...
seems, someone just said it is, at least, in some area...


wow!!! jumping up and down, here, so happy for this...
kaholatingtong

Trad climber
Nevada City
Sep 25, 2014 - 06:59pm PT
wahoo!! over the smoke.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 26, 2014 - 01:28am PT
hey there say, T Hocking and all... glad to see the rain is doing our hoped for very much needed touch!!!

now, let's keep prayers and hope for the mudslide to less damage than they are known for...

happy good eve, all...
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Sep 26, 2014 - 02:28am PT
Rfgg BU MP try toSTOP

SPAM.
BumpB

BUMP
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 27, 2014 - 01:38am PT
hey there say... saw this 68 % contained...


from yahoo news link,
http://news.yahoo.com/rains-bring-big-gains-against-california-wildfire-080149078.html


SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — Nearly an inch of rain, with more wet weather forecast for the weekend, has helped firefighters gain the upper hand on a massive wildfire burning in the mountains east of Sacramento, officials said Friday.
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The blaze has burned more than 150 square miles of a heavily forested region of the Sierra Nevada that is home to numerous hydroelectric plants and is crisscrossed with power lines, water pipes and wooden flumes.

It destroyed a dozen homes near the town of Pollock Pines in El Dorado County and threatened several reservoirs that supply water and electricity to portions of Northern California, but most of the utility infrastructure appears to have been spared. A popular lake basin that draws hikers, campers and anglers from throughout Northern California was threatened but escaped largely untouched.

The King Fire that authorities say was started Sept. 13 by an arsonist was 68 percent contained Friday.

The region saw a 20-degree drop in temperatures and a doubling of humidity levels in 24 hours, National Weather Service meteorologist Brooke Bingaman said. Up to another half-inch of rain was predicted for the fire zone through Friday, with some snow falling at the highest elevations east of the fire. Showers, higher humidity and lower temperatures were expected through Saturday before a warming trend next week.

More than 1,000 of the 8,000 firefighters who had been fighting the blaze, some for two straight weeks, were expected to be released from duty, said Dana Walsh, a fire information spokeswoman for the Eldorado National Forest.
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The storm led the Klamath, Mendocino, Six Rivers and Shasta-Trinity national forests in the northern and coastal regions to lift seasonal burn restrictions on Friday.

As some areas of the fire cooled, authorities were able to begin assessing the damage.

The fire burned intensely through more than 5 miles of the canyon carved by the Rubicon River, which is designated a wild trout river. Walsh said damage to the river and its fish will depend on whether the fire leads to erosion and mudslides this winter.

The fire also passed through the Leonardi Falls Botanical Interest Area, known for its unique and sensitive plants. Walsh did not know how much damage was done to the 215-acre site northeast of Stumpy Meadows Reservoir.

It burned around three sides of the reservoir itself, which is the sole water supply for the 2,400 residents of Georgetown, 15 miles downstream. But the flames missed a boat launch, recreation area and the historic Gold Rush town's water distribution system.

Now the concern is the silt, mud and ash that will wash into the reservoir with the winter's rain and snow. Authorities plan to soon begin laying straw and planting grass and trees through the burned area.

It burned through several campgrounds around the Stumpy Meadows and Hell Hole reservoirs but did minimal damage, Walsh said.

Pacific Gas & Electric Co. replaced poles and wires distributing electricity from the Hell Hole Reservoir hydroelectric plant and wires serving 22 homes near the fire's origin.

The Sacramento Municipal Utility District estimates the fire caused $2.5 million in damage to one power line and the roof of a generator station.

The fire came within a mile of the El Dorado Irrigation District's power house along the South Fork of the American River, and within 8 feet of a pipe that feeds mountain water to the hydroelectric plant. Surveillance cameras showed flames burning near other buildings and wooden flumes without doing harm.

"Fortunately, we dodged a couple bullets," utility spokeswoman Mary Lynn Carlton said. "We were really lucky."
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Sep 27, 2014 - 11:35am PT
Had another pretty solid 45 min of rain last night in Newcastle. It came down hard for a while.

Hope the crews out there got their share of it.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Sep 29, 2014 - 12:15pm PT
Here is a really cool link to a story about a shelter deployment and how a pilot I know quite well saved the lives of the firefighters.
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2014/09/28/wildfire-king-fire-helicopter-pilot-crew-rescue/16394813/

Way to go Gary Dahlen!
labrat

Trad climber
Auburn, CA
Sep 29, 2014 - 12:32pm PT
Great link! Thank you.
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Sep 29, 2014 - 01:05pm PT
Good story, and nice work by Dahlen to guide the crew to a survivable area.

I was expecting some kind of story where he does the water drop, then a small crew climbs into the bucket for an impromptu short haul.
Not possible with that many people, or if the clearing / tree height doesn't work.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Sep 29, 2014 - 01:40pm PT

BooDawg

Social climber
Butterfly Town
Oct 7, 2014 - 03:29pm PT
A new fire has broken out between El Portal and Arch Rock. Hwy 140 is closed. Sirens are going off here in Mariposa. Any other news?
John M

climber
Oct 7, 2014 - 03:33pm PT
turtleback dome webcam

http://www.nps.gov/yose/photosmultimedia/webcams.htm

BooDawg

Social climber
Butterfly Town
Oct 7, 2014 - 04:57pm PT
Word here at the is that a DC-10 loaded with fire retardant crashed in the lower Merced Canyon and there is airplane debris on the road. Some firefighters on the ground have lost their lives!

Sincere condolences to friends and families. Stay safe!

Later information reveals that it was not a DC-10 but rather a Cal-fire turbo-prop tanker.
John M

climber
Oct 7, 2014 - 05:01pm PT
oh mercy.. I saw a report of a possible crash but didn't want to say anything until confirmed.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Oct 7, 2014 - 05:49pm PT
Bad news brewing:


http://yubanet.com/CAFires/Dog_Rock.php


October 7, 2014 at 5:44 PM

CAL FIRE confirmation: Contact lost with one of CAL FIRE's airtankers flying near Yosemite National Park. Emergency crews responding.

October 7, 2014 at 5:38 PM Fire is approaching the boundary with National Forest land.

October 7, 2014 at 5:25 PM

Local residents heard an explosion around the time of the crash. CHP reported seeing debris in the roadway. Yosemite's Steep Angle Rescue has been activated, unknown if related to the incident.

October 7, 2014 at 5:21 PM

A tanker has gone down over the fire. The aircraft, a CAL FIRE S2 tanker, went down at 4:26 pm, per the CHP CAD: 4:26 PM 11 [37] 63-S2 AIR TANKER WENT DOWN AT THIS 1020
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Oct 7, 2014 - 05:54pm PT
Confirmed by Calfire:

http://www.fire.ca.gov/communications/downloads/newsreleases/2014/DogRock_TankerIncident.pdf

CAL FIRE Airtanker Incident
Sacramento – This afternoon contact was lost with one of our airtankers flying over a fire near Yosemite National Park. Emergency personnel are currently responding to the last known location of the aircraft. The airtanker was assigned to the Dog Rock Fire burning near Yosemite’s Arch Rock. The status of the aircraft and the pilot have not been determined. Additional information will be provided as it’s made available.


Bummer.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Oct 7, 2014 - 06:10pm PT
I am very sorry to hear of the loss of the aircraft and am praying hard for the families of the men. This has got to be a terrible time for them.
From my vantage, the smoke is drifting south of a line Merced to Mt. Bullion, extending far into eastern Madera County. It's a pall lying just below the line of T-Storm clouds at a higher elevation.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Oct 7, 2014 - 06:22pm PT
Damn

This is one of many CAL FIRE S-2T's It is crewed by a single pilot.

SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, or In What Time Zone Am I?
Oct 7, 2014 - 06:26pm PT
Heartbreak.

Susan
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 7, 2014 - 07:04pm PT
Those POS S-2's were obsolete 30 years ago. Congress should be jointly
brought up on manslaughter charges for condemning those crews to flying them
because they love giving $300 million planes to Air Force pilots but fire
crews only merit wrung-out antiques.
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Oct 7, 2014 - 07:16pm PT

Earlier quote .....

Josh H...." My family and I watched a fire fighting tanker airplane hit the ridge shortly after this photo. It then tumbled down the cliff bursting into flames. It was the worst thing I have ever witnessed. My heart goes out to the friends, family members, and coworkers of the pilot and copilot that were on board. So sad."

Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Oct 7, 2014 - 07:28pm PT
Very sad indeed, I just heard there was one pilot. No one else on board apparently.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Oct 7, 2014 - 07:33pm PT
What a horrific photo. My heart goes out to a brother in arms. Brings tears to my eyes.
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
Oct 7, 2014 - 07:52pm PT




Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 7, 2014 - 08:19pm PT
Chief, thanks, I gladly stand corrected. However, it is really difficult to completely assess an
old airframe like those. That also is a lot of of airplane for single pilot ops, especially when
things go south and they usually do so in a critical flight phase when the workload is already
very high, which would be most of the time when fire fighting at low altitude. Very little margin
for error. Congress should buy those guys brand new Hercs and C-17's.
RP3

Big Wall climber
Twain Harte
Oct 7, 2014 - 08:44pm PT
That picture is terrible. Heartfelt condolences to the family and friend of the pilot. Also positive thoughts to the kids of EP who saw that happen. Truly awful...
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Oct 7, 2014 - 08:58pm PT
Sad to see such a crash while fighting a fire.
It looks like the plane impacted the top of the right side of Parkline Slab.
It's very hazardous terrain for flying a fixed wing:
 big cliffs
 steep uphill in the canyon
 hard left turn in the canyon
 powerlines
 smoke possibly obscuring things
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Oct 7, 2014 - 09:52pm PT
JOEY.F

Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
Oct 7, 2014 - 09:55pm PT
Terrible...Had no idea...
cragnshag

Social climber
san joser
Oct 7, 2014 - 10:23pm PT
Clint- check your email.
susu

Trad climber
East Bay, CA
Oct 7, 2014 - 10:30pm PT
Horrible - so sad
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Oct 7, 2014 - 11:10pm PT
hey there say, all... oh no... so sad, i can't even think of anything to say... the help and service that they do, just should not have to end this way... heartbreaking...

condolences and prayers for the family and loved ones and... very sad...
Clyde

Mountain climber
Boulder
Oct 8, 2014 - 09:48am PT
More info on the crash: http://wildfiretoday.com/2014/10/07/cal-fire-loses-contact-with-air-tanker/
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Oct 8, 2014 - 10:25am PT
hey there say, ... as to the fire, i had not even realized there was more going on in yosemite...

please do, keep us informed when you can...

all very sad... :(
Bill_8888

climber
Oct 8, 2014 - 11:39am PT
Can anyone give me the contact information for Tom Ronay, the person who took the photo of the fire ball just after the crash of the air tanker near Yosemite National Park on October 7. I would like to ask permission to use the photo on my website, WildfireToday.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Oct 8, 2014 - 11:56am PT
I saw another picture of the fireball attributed to Ken Yeager.
I can't vouch for the accuracy. You can try to reach Ken at the Yosemite Climbing Association website.
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Oct 8, 2014 - 12:17pm PT

Sincere condolences to the pilot's family and friends.
Why can't it rain out there????
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Oct 8, 2014 - 12:41pm PT
As sad as losing a pilot is, CalFire has a pretty amazing safety record.
I don't have the numbers to compare to other professions but considering the risks of the job they do very well.
Many thousands of men and women out on the fires every year. Many of them for weeks at a time working day and night, often for very long shifts sleeping in the bush when they get the chance for a nap. Thousands of aircraft sorties in very dangerous conditions.

CalFire is a helluva a professional organization. The California Department of Rehabilitation and Correction (CDCR) inmate crews are often the boots on the ground and a huge asset.
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Oct 8, 2014 - 01:06pm PT
What is it with Foresta? Its like a magnet to wildfires.

Seems it would be cheaper in the long
run for the State to replace all the structures in
Foresta with refractory grade concrete block houses with
fire-rated glass-ceramic windows and steel roofs
and fire doors.

Then remove the soil in the half mile radius so
nothing could grow near the dwellings just for over-kill.


Cheaper than spending millions every few years just to put out the same
stupid fire again and again and again.



Modern, fire resistant home in the mountains above Malibu California.
http://www.pinterest.com/pin/413205334531248882/
Gene

climber
Oct 8, 2014 - 01:34pm PT
Sacramento October 8, 2014 - CAL FIRE officials today released the identity of the pilot killed in yesterday’s airtanker crash in Yosemite National Park. Geoffrey “Craig” Hunt, age 62, of San Jose was a 13 year veteran pilot of Dyncorp International under contract with CAL FIRE.

“We continue to mourn the tragic loss of Craig,” said Chief Ken Pimlott, CAL FIRE director. “We know wildland firefighting is an inherently dangerous job, but Craig made the ultimate sacrifice.”

“Our thoughts and prayers are with Craig’s family during this difficult time,” said Jeff Cavarra, program director for DynCorp International.

Today the National Transportation Safety Board has assumed command of the investigation and CAL FIRE continues to support them.

http://yubanet.com/regional/Pilot-Killed-in-Fatal-Airtanker-Crashed-Identified.php#.VDWfUvldWHQ
ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
extraordinaire
Oct 8, 2014 - 01:51pm PT
Turtleback Cam
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Oct 8, 2014 - 05:05pm PT
Bloody Hell.......again

I already figured out it's a dangerous fire. They're dispatching Bay area crews!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 8, 2014 - 05:49pm PT
reports were of a vehicle tossing burning paper out the window

With everything else in the world being captured on smart phones why wasn't this?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Oct 8, 2014 - 08:26pm PT
The arson may be someone who ridicules triathletes and follows this thread too closely...?
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Oct 9, 2014 - 10:16am PT
A MOMENT OF SILENCE, PLEASE.

This is immediately outside the YNP gates.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Oct 9, 2014 - 06:23pm PT
Trailer chains are a classic cause. Problematic because mountain roads are generally at the bottom of canyons so the fire gets to start out making an uphill run.

So sorry about the pilot. Dangerous job.
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Oct 10, 2014 - 08:55am PT
*
Rest in Peace...
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Oct 12, 2014 - 05:24pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Nov 3, 2014 - 03:37pm PT
This thread was brought back! I hope the others are also.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Apr 14, 2015 - 03:11pm PT
It's that time of the year again.

04/14/2015 1445
CA-PNF Ward Fire: 195 acres burning in timber, 40% contained. Fire is located 10 miles Southeast of Taylorsville, CA.



It seems reasonable to assume that the Sierra range will continue to see more megafires in the coming months.




neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Apr 14, 2015 - 04:39pm PT
hey there say, the albatross !!! i am so thrilled to see this thread here!!!!

thank you, with all my heart! yes, we need it!


:)
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Apr 14, 2015 - 05:14pm PT
Already. Damn. Is it ever not fire season down there lately ??
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Apr 14, 2015 - 06:00pm PT
hey there say, Big Mike... sadly, every year, has fire season and a long one, yet, it seems to be true worse now:

"is it ever not" :(

the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Apr 14, 2015 - 06:10pm PT
It's common for parts of CA to have fires most all the year round.

It sounds like they caught this particular fire.
04/14/2015 1730
CA-PNF Ward Fire: 157 acres burning in timber, 70% contained. Reduction in acreage due to more accurate mapping.

I'm not familiar with this locale, but what caught my attention was a "timber" fire of this size this early in the year. Factors are lining up for it be an epic fire season in the mountain country of CA.

HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jun 10, 2015 - 07:16pm PT
Just heard on the radio there were dozens of lightning ground strikes today in far north California. More fires may magically appear over the next few days.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jun 10, 2015 - 08:00pm PT
A fire has just been reported in Humboldt County east of 101 at Orick.
It's serious enough that they've just dispatched a number of Santa Cruz/San Mateo county CalFire units.
http://cdfdata.fire.ca.gov/incidents/incidents_details_info?incident_id=1089
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Jun 10, 2015 - 09:46pm PT
bump for fire reports
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jun 11, 2015 - 01:28am PT
hey there say, T hocking, say... i HAD heard about the one in the gunks and i was wondering if the wildfire thread would be surfacing...

(my friend had it on the news, in her state) ...

say, high traverse, thanks for the updates... here, as well...
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Jun 11, 2015 - 08:59am PT
http://gacc.nifc.gov/oncc/predictive/intelligence/news_notes/index.htm

06/11/2015 0645
CA-SHF Saddle Fire: 800 acres, 0% contained. Fire burned actively through the night. Evacuations are in progress for the outlying areas of City of Hyampom. NORCAL Team 2 has been assigned to the incident.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jun 11, 2015 - 03:59pm PT
Final on Fox fire, south of Mormon Bar, Mariposa/25 acres at Ben Hur Rd & Foxfield Lane.

http://cdfdata.fire.ca.gov/incidents/incidents_details_info?incident_id=1086

http://www.google.com/maps/place/Mormon+Bar,+CA+95338/@37.4258888,-119.9494556,15z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x8096ba5b80a53309:0x83d0c616727640a6

Saw "the big boy" this afternoon, heading into Castle Airport.
Mariposa County sky.
Tuolumne County sky.
Madera County sky.
guido

Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
Jun 11, 2015 - 07:32pm PT
What a bummer that Khanom is no longer with ST-a lost for all of us.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jun 11, 2015 - 08:30pm PT
khanom and wife (dagnabbit I can't remember her name) are as humble and fine a couple as there is. Hopefully they'll be at Facelift again with a load of organic veggies to share.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jun 11, 2015 - 09:30pm PT
Vicky, HT.

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jun 18, 2015 - 11:09am PT
San Gorgonio Wilderness is burning.


( San Bernardino Peak prominent on the left, San Gorgonio itself just peeking around the left of Yucaipa Ridge )
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 18, 2015 - 12:26pm PT
^^^Bummer, it's starting early this year.

After a very dry winter they've one in the Kenai and at Willow, AK where a number of dog
teams got burned up. I don't know why somebody couldn't at least let them loose.
Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Jun 18, 2015 - 01:38pm PT
Just heard they have a big start in Mariposa....30 acres...Anybody hear anything??
ShawnInPaso

climber
Paso Robles, CA
Jun 18, 2015 - 01:57pm PT
Update:1:41 P.M.
Scanner unofficial: 30 plus acres. Forward progress of the fire is stopped.

Update:1:45 P.M.
Per Mariposa County Sheriff: Evacuation order has been downgraded to Advisements only for the below listed areas.
Memory Lane, Carter Road, Deer Creek Road.
Triangle Road is still closed at Memory Lane and Nickel Plate Road.

Update:1:50 P.M. Entering Mop-up phase.


Source: http://goldrushcam.com/sierrasuntimes/index.php/news/local-news/3588-fire-in-mariposa-county-on-triangle-road-june-18-2015

HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jun 18, 2015 - 02:02pm PT
CalFire just now dispatching one engine from the south Bay Area to Bootjack Rd, near Mariposa.
Another engine being dispatched from Patterson which is just east of Hwy 5.
Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Jun 18, 2015 - 05:47pm PT
Another Fire start on Sky Ranch Rd and 41 ! This ones going big if they don't get it soon! Over 100 acres already. Heading towards Fresno Dome area.
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Jun 18, 2015 - 09:25pm PT
Sky Ranch fire - at 300 acres and no containment, as of 8:21pm.
Started from vehicle fire.
http://hotlist.wildlandfire.com/threads/46522-CA-SNF-SKY/page2
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 18, 2015 - 09:30pm PT
Lake Fire at San Gorgonio at 10,000 acres and only 5% contained.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jun 18, 2015 - 09:36pm PT
Here's a pic at sunrise in JTree.

.

It was suppose to be 100deg today. But with the smoke only 80!
I hope it burns all summer ; )
this just in

climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
Jun 18, 2015 - 09:47pm PT
Guess a power pole caught fire in the Corrine lake area just below North Fork. North Fork has been out of power for over an hour. Gunna be a bad year.
this just in

climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
Jun 19, 2015 - 05:14pm PT
This thing looked pretty threatening an hour ago, but the bombers have done a hell of a job. Pretty sure my buddy lost his house, though he doesn't know for sure. I'm in pre-evacuation, but looks way better now. This thing was spotting around two miles.
coolrockclimberguy69

climber
Jun 19, 2015 - 06:39pm PT
Pretty hazy in Moab today.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 19, 2015 - 07:13pm PT
Sending good vibes yer way, Justin. All the best.
this just in

climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
Jun 19, 2015 - 07:18pm PT
Thanks Reilly, those firefighters kicked ass today.
Try to post some bomber pics later. Think the first scare of the season is done though.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jun 20, 2015 - 01:04pm PT
Think the first scare of the season is done though
I presume your pic is of the Corinne Fire which is very near North Fork.
Still going strong as of 8:20 this morning.

Order for residents south of Corrin Road to Kerckoff Lake
Order for residents on Road 225 between Lark LN and Mammoth Rd
Advisory for the community of Cascadel Woods for residents on Italian Bar RD from Mammoth to the County line.
Advisory on for residents on Road 225 from Rd 274 to Lark Lane

Road Closures:
Road 222 (Powerhouse Rd) from Road 200 to Corrine Lake Rd (open to residents only)
Road 222 (Powerhouse Rd) from Corrine Road to county line
Road 225 between Italian Bar RD and 233
Residents should remain cautious of fire personnel and equipment working in the area.

Fire burning at a moderate rate of spread. There continues to be a threat to the North Fork community. Access to the fire is difficult due to steep terrain. Firefighters are experiencing extreme fire behavior conditions due to drought and low fuel moisture.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 2, 2015 - 06:23pm PT
Not much activity on this thread........that's a good thing.

Fire this afternoon in El Dorado County, SE of Placerville at Bucks Bar Rd and Buckaroo Trail. CalFire's taking it seriously. They've just dispatched several engines and crews from Santa Clara County. Friends of ours live about 3 miles up the road.
Fire was lightning caused.
http://www.news10.net/story/news/local/2015/07/02/lightning-ignites-3-grass-fires-in-el-dorado-county/29650955/
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 6, 2015 - 04:49pm PT
http://www.theweathernetwork.com/news/articles/thousands-evacuated-as-western-canada-burns/53793/
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 18, 2015 - 02:51am PT
hey there say...

just sharing this link...

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/18/us/brush-fire-jumps-southern-california-freeway-burning-cars.html?_r=0


http://www.cbs8.com/story/29576160/fire-shut-downs-cajon-pass-on-i-15
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 18, 2015 - 05:53am PT
"Firefighters were forced to momentarily halt air operations after they spotted a drone,
San Bernardino County fire officials said."

Ban'em in Banning, Victorville, Auburn, and in general.
Let'em all go to blazes if they can't control their obsession.

Thanks for posting that first one, neebee. Glad no one was killed.
pinckbrown

Trad climber
Woodfords, CA
Jul 24, 2015 - 05:31am PT
Wildfire at Kyburz CA closes hwy 50 from Sly Park
to Meyers. Cannot get to Sugerloaf, Phantom
Spires or Lovers Leap. Started 7/23 at 2 PM.
Called the Kyburz Fire.
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Jul 26, 2015 - 02:02am PT
The Lowell fire looks like it could be huge with the winds picking up a bit tomorrow
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 26, 2015 - 03:00am PT
hey there say... thanks for the updates on both these newer fires...
will keep folks in my prayers...

:(

say, only update, that i could find:
kyburz:

http://foxreno.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/kyburz-fire-30-percent-contained-200-acres-size-6791.shtml#.VbSwRflL2gs


lowell:
http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2015/07/25/lowell-fire-quickly-burns-thousands-of-acres-in-nevada-county/



bass lake:
http://abc30.com/news/wildfire-burns-200-acres-near-bass-lake-prompts-evacuations/881133/
looks easy from here

climber
Ben Lomond, CA
Jul 26, 2015 - 10:39am PT
inciweb for Willow Fire near Bass Lake: http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/4413/

1121 acres, 5% containment.

Kyburz Fire: http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/4408/

98 acres, 80% containment.

Calfire site for Lowell fire: http://cdfdata.fire.ca.gov/incidents/incidents_details_info?incident_id=1156

1500 acres, 5% containment.
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Jul 26, 2015 - 11:08am PT
No doubt. For some reason it's still not listed on inciweb.
looks easy from here

climber
Ben Lomond, CA
Jul 26, 2015 - 11:35am PT
I believe inciweb is for Fed fires, and Lowell appears to be on state land (based off the fact it has a Calfire posting).
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Jul 29, 2015 - 10:11pm PT
*
Not sure if this has been posted yet..
Hells hollow..150 acres and moving fast. Hwy 120 is closed east of Groveland
http://www.uniondemocrat.com/News/Local-News/Evacuations-underway-for-fire-east-of-Groveland

and a Local fire started today in the foothills above Chico.
http://www.orovillemr.com/general-news/20150729/715-pm-update-fire-south-of-oroville-grows-to-500-acres-evacuations-ordered
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 29, 2015 - 10:45pm PT
hey there say, nita... thanks for the update... and, for sharing about the chico-area fire, too... oh my, i had not known that... :(
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 30, 2015 - 04:38am PT
http://news.yahoo.com/northern-california-wildfire-contained-jumping-line-060635648.html
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Jul 31, 2015 - 09:10pm PT
A man from Rapid City SD died while fighting a fire in California.

http://www.newscenter1.tv/news/local/Rapid-City-firefighter-dies--320357191.html
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Aug 1, 2015 - 02:15pm PT
From the north ops website news and notes:

08/01/2015

0815 CA-LNU Rocky Fire: 22,500 acres, 5% contained. Fire remained active throughout the night. An evacuation advisory has been issued for the city of Clear Lake impacting 5,000 residences.

0815 CA-SHF Fork Complex: 4,000 acres, 0% contained. Multiple structures threatened in the Hyampom, Hayfork and Post Mountain communities. All fires remained active throughout the night. NorCal IMT2 (Young) assumed command at 0600 hours today. CA IMT1 Team 4 (Opliger) has been ordered.

0800 CA-SHF River Complex: 1,800 acres, 0% contained. Evacuations in place for the Denny area. Numerous active fires over a large geographic area. CA IMT1 Team 3 (Vontillow) assumed command at 0600 hours today.

CA-NEU Lowell Fire: 2,303 acres, 75% contained. Smoldering fire behavior with backing fire in small interior islands. Fire suppression repair continues.

CA-LNU Wragg Fire: 8,051 acres, 92% contained. Minimal fire activity. Fire suppression repair continues.

CA-MDF Frog Fire: 1,850 acres, 5% contained. Fire made extreme runs under yesterday's thunder cells causing 1/2 mile spotting. NorCal IMT2 (Kurth) assumed command at 0600 hours today.

CA-SHU Barker Fire: 900 acres, 5% contained. Located northeast of Hayfork. Threat to residences; mandatory evacuations in place for the Barker Creek area.

CA-HUU Humboldt Lighting Complex: 900 acres, 5% contained. Complex consists of 70 fires, with 18 fires uncontrolled. Immediate threat to the community of Blocksburg.

CA-SHU China Fire: 212 acres, 95% contained.

CA-MNF Etsel Fire: 32 acres, 20% contained. Burning in timber and brush in the Yuki Wilderness.

CA-HUU Queen Fire: 158 acres, 90% contained. Mop up in heavy logging slash continues.

CA-SRF Mad River Complex: 1,500 acres, 0% contained. SOCAL IMT2 (Walker) has been assigned.
hotlum

climber
Oregon
Aug 1, 2015 - 02:22pm PT
Started at 1pm on 7/29 blew up to 2,000 acres by the evening. Now 8,500 acres on 8/2. 0% containment.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 1, 2015 - 02:28pm PT
There are 2 lightening fires going just north of Mammoth near the scenic loop...
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 1, 2015 - 04:28pm PT
Smoke is drifting into town and it just rained for a brief spell...I'm thinking about starting a back fire and torching the condo project across the street just in case these fires make a run for town...?
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 1, 2015 - 04:35pm PT
hey there say, johnboy... :( i just heard this a few hours ago, on the public radio station, :(

my condolences to his family and loved ones... :(
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 1, 2015 - 04:40pm PT
RJ, put a condom on the condos.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 1, 2015 - 06:13pm PT
cragman...thunder , lightning , and raining steady...sorry no official updates Dean...
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Aug 1, 2015 - 08:27pm PT
Shasta-Trinity National Forest, July Lightning Update
Release Date: Aug 1, 2015
Contact(s): Media Contact: 530-226-2500 (8am to 4:30pm)

REDDING, Calif., July 31, 2015 at 10pm – Over the past 48 hours, the Shasta-Trinity National Forest received 440 lightning strikes that have resulted in over 60 fires. The largest of these fires is the Rail Fire near the town of Hayfork and is approximately 800 acres.

Numerous fires around the towns of Hyampom, Trinity Pines, and small communities outside Hayfork have resulted in the County Sheriff issuing MANDATORY evacuations. A Red Cross Shelter evacuation has been set up at the Solid Rock Baptist Church in Hayfork. Residents of Denny have been issued a VOLUNTARY evacuation notice because of the Happy Fire.

For the most current evacuation information, please call the Trinity County Sheriff office or your local law enforcement official.

The primary firefighting objective remains structure defense, minimize the spread of any additional fire, and to prevent the loss of life

Two Incident Management Teams have arrived and will assume firefighting responsibilities on 01 Aug 2015. Command elements of the incoming teams were briefed this afternoon on current fire conditions. Northern California Incident Management Team 2 will assume control of the Fork Complex near Hyampom. California Incident Management Team 3 will assume control of the River Complex near Denny.

With the large number of fires throughout the area, large amounts of smoke may be present. Residents are urged to remain cautious when traveling in the affected areas. Additional lightning is forecasted across the forest through tomorrow. With the amount and frequency of lightning, the Shasta-Trinity NF anticipates additional fires.

Fire information can be obtained by visiting http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/4399/ or calling the Public Information Line at (530) 628-0039.



Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 4, 2015 - 04:57pm PT
They're getting rain today which, hopefully, is greater than the lightning
and winds they might also be getting.

They arrested this nutcase in Redding today:

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-arson-arrest-20150804-story.html
looks easy from here

climber
Ben Lomond, CA
Aug 6, 2015 - 09:30pm PT
Ocean side of the hills got a spritz of rain. Big fat drops, but nothing measurable. Just enough to get me panicked about my car's sunroof being open.
doughnutnational

Gym climber
its nice here in the spring
Aug 9, 2015 - 05:33pm PT
Lacey

Social climber
Nevada
Aug 9, 2015 - 07:17pm PT
OH NO, SO SAD!!!!!!!!!!! MY HEART ACHES FOR HIS FRIENDS & FAMILY AND THE FIRE COMMUNITY..... RIP..... :(
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 9, 2015 - 07:36pm PT
hey there say, T hocking... oh my, your home... thank god it was saved... oh my... i had not been up on any fire news and had not heard nor seen of this...


prayers for all the firefighters and my condolences to the firefighter that died, :(



very awful stuff, for these firefighters, :(
and for california folks, up there... :(
JOEY.F

Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
Aug 9, 2015 - 08:02pm PT
More bad news in Lake County



LAKE COUNTY, Calif. (KCRA) —A wildfire that broke out several miles south of the massive Rocky Fire in Northern California has prompted the evacuation of residents who were forced out of their homes days earlier by the blaze.

A California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection official said the new fire was reported about 3:30 p.m. Sunday near the community of Lower Lake.

Capt. Joe Fletcher said the fire grew to about 2,000 acres and could merge with the Rocky Fire, the state's largest wildfire which has burned more than 107 square miles.

He said firefighters and air tankers battling that fire were reassigned to attack the new fire.

Authorities in Lake County issued a mandatory evacuation order for an unknown number of residents of the Jerusalem Valley area.

An evacuation and shelter site for pets is available at Old Water Park in Clearlake.

Containment for the Rocky Fire, which originated in Lake County and destroyed 43 homes, increased to 85 percent on Sunday, officials said.

neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 10, 2015 - 01:12am PT
hey there say, ... bump... thanks, joey, for the update...
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 10, 2015 - 02:49am PT
The remark about Dobbins caused a spark of interest here in Middle Earth.

When I spent my first five years in Redding, we owned a Dalmatian by the name of Miss Dobbins, or "Dobbie."

Tad's Rancho is about a stone's throw from a huge water tank sitting next to their local fire station. It's totally flat around the area.

Compared to other spots he is in a high coverage zone, lucky for him! Glad you got outta town, Tad. Hope you had a cool time down east!
Chewybacca

Trad climber
Kelly Morgan, Whitefish MT
Aug 10, 2015 - 07:50am PT
A new fire in Glacier NP. Started yesterday afternoon, not much info yet. Burning in a remote, rarely visited part of the park. Forecast is calling for high temps, low humidity, high winds.








Edit- Here are a few more shots (I took about 300 pics on the way home)-






looks easy from here

climber
Ben Lomond, CA
Aug 10, 2015 - 02:54pm PT
That's the Rough Fire: http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/4456/

I've been watching it because I was going to climb the Obelisk with my cousin next month, but now I think that'll wait for the new dozer road there to overgrow a bit, plus the fire looks like it's ready to run up the canyon right to the foot of the Obelisk.

Red is the fire, yellow the Obelisk, orange is approximately the indirect dozer/handcrew line on Rodgers Ridge, and blue the general direction of the approach from the nearest road access.

justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Aug 10, 2015 - 09:12pm PT
Super smokey in Pine Creek today. Must be blowing north and over the mountain.

... and Jeeze- the whole north west of CA is on fire...

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 11, 2015 - 08:14am PT
This just in: dood gets tooled for doing a little citizen backfire work.

"Whattya mean I can't protect my grow?"

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-jerusalem-fire-20150810-story.html
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Aug 13, 2015 - 11:57am PT
Judging by the current inciweb report it's burned down past Tehipite Dome and is at the river directly across from the Gorge of Despair.

I love that Gorge and if the fire burns up through it I'll be heartbroken.

I know, it's the nature of things but...
looks easy from here

climber
Ben Lomond, CA
Aug 13, 2015 - 12:22pm PT
Unless it made a heck of a run in the last 10 hours I don't think it's pushed quite that far. Here's the map from about 2:30 last night.
Earlier inciweb reports said they're trying to stop it at Tombstone Ridge, taking advantage of the large vegetation-free granite outcrops there to help reinforce the line.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Aug 13, 2015 - 01:28pm PT
You're right easy. I'll have to tune up my map reading skillz.

Thanks
looks easy from here

climber
Ben Lomond, CA
Aug 13, 2015 - 02:11pm PT
No problem. I happen to have been keeping an extra close eye on this fire, because it squashed my Obelisk plans.

Based off my luck over the last two summers, expect the next big fire this season to be above Mineral King. :/
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Aug 13, 2015 - 02:19pm PT
The Rough fire. Looks like the bulk of the active area is just south of Obelisk Mountain. Another active area is in the SW.

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 14, 2015 - 03:04pm PT
Uh, oh, this is from my front yard. East Fork of Azusa Cyn.

Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Aug 14, 2015 - 03:13pm PT
Tehipite Valley has been getting Smoked Out this week from the Rough Fire! This was from our pilot yesterday.
Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Aug 15, 2015 - 02:26pm PT
Big Header starting to show on the Half Dome Webcam. This is the Walker fire too I think..........
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 15, 2015 - 02:40pm PT
I was just wondering about that Walker fire. Thanks for the pics Dean
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 15, 2015 - 03:45pm PT
I am able to see it from my window. Photos from the fifth floor.
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Aug 15, 2015 - 04:01pm PT
Tehipite the day after the rough fire started.


Lol, didn't even notice the smoke plume behind Vitaliy until after I got home and looked through the pics.


Tehipite at high noon three days after the rough fire started. My lungs are broken.
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Aug 15, 2015 - 05:26pm PT
Awesome shots Dean!
Tork

climber
Yosemite
Aug 15, 2015 - 06:25pm PT
Thanks Dean.

It's kinda sad when Supertopo is your best fire information source.
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Aug 16, 2015 - 12:38am PT
Drove up tonight for a closer look at the Rough Fire and it had just crossed Monarch Ridge. The Forest Service closed highway 180 to eastbound traffic while we were out there and asked us to leave at about 11PM. Hope it stays on the north side of the Kings! It was pretty cool to see up close as burning trees fell down 100+ ft cliffs.
bhilden

Trad climber
Mountain View, CA/Boulder, CO
Aug 16, 2015 - 12:54am PT
Here are several photos of the Walker Lake fire from the top of Daff Dome on Saturday. The first photo was taken around 1pm. The second photo was taken around 4pm.


mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 16, 2015 - 05:20am PT
I'm kidding. Who would want to see any sources of employment in the Mono Basin destroyed?

Those are some tremendous photos, Dean. Thanks.

Limping Crab, hope your lungs get cleared up, dude.
Old5Ten

Trad climber
Berkeley and Sunny Slopes, CA
Aug 16, 2015 - 10:28am PT
phylp

Trad climber
Upland, CA
Aug 16, 2015 - 07:19pm PT
Arghhhhh!
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 16, 2015 - 07:44pm PT
Saw it blow up on the way back from Glen Auden yesterday.

They had an L1011 and a couple of C130's on it by 3:00 or so. The C130's were at it again at dawn.

Between the closure and the campground evicting everyone by noon tomorrow to fumigate for plague fleas, ended up bailing and just taking the long way home.

105 hot ! all the way!
wstmrnclmr

Trad climber
Bolinas, CA
Aug 16, 2015 - 08:13pm PT
Opened 120 at around 4pm today and were convoying cars up and down the pass. I was coming down from TM. The fire is on the crown of the south ridge of Lee Vining Canyon and it looks like they are trying to keep it from spreading down into the canyon.......
Climberdude

Trad climber
Clovis, CA
Aug 16, 2015 - 08:18pm PT
Does anyone know about the fire west of Devil's Postpile on the west side of the Sierra crest? I noticed the smoke today while climbing at The Balls area and reported it to the Forest Service. The ranger said they were aware of the fire and thought it was the Rock Fire. However, when I went to the incident website, there is no current fire by the name of Rock (not to be confused with the Rocky Fire up north). I would estimate this fire to be directly East of Mt. Tom to the east of Kaiser Wilderness.
Tork

climber
Yosemite
Aug 16, 2015 - 08:22pm PT
The Rough Fire in Kings
wstmrnclmr

Trad climber
Bolinas, CA
Aug 16, 2015 - 08:35pm PT
Also saw a small fire southwest of Young Lakes in TM from the Lamb. Asked the ranger who said it was a controlled burn. Didn't notice it yesterday from the same local....
Climberdude

Trad climber
Clovis, CA
Aug 16, 2015 - 08:39pm PT
Tork, this small fire was not in the Kings River drainage, but rather is in the San Joaquin River drainage. It is a small fire that I could see was burning in two different locations producing smoke. It is located in the John Muir Wilderness east of the Heitz Meadow back country ranger hut.
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Aug 16, 2015 - 09:06pm PT
This is video from the Chelan fire (near Wenatchee, Eastern Washington) from a couple of days ago.) Impressive

[Click to View YouTube Video]
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 17, 2015 - 01:16am PT
hey there say, guys... thanks for all the update... oh my...
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 17, 2015 - 05:38am PT
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/western-wildfires/western-wildfires-evacuations-power-outages-heavy-smoke-n410761
little Z

Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
Aug 17, 2015 - 12:11pm PT
the view yesterday evening headed N on 395 about 6 miles S of Lee Vining. Pretty good breeze blowing out of the west pushing all the smoke off into the Mono basin. Air was still mostly clear down near Mammoth as well as up north by Bridgeport.

limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Aug 18, 2015 - 02:42pm PT
Black Rock Reservoir and surrounding area is now closed due to the Rough Fire, Little Tehipite is starting to burn and the air is getting even worse in the Valley!
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Aug 18, 2015 - 05:05pm PT
Wow, the Rough fire crossed the kings river and highway 180 and there's a mandatory evacuation for Hume Lake!

It's spreading in almost every direction.
cat t.

Sport climber
CA
Aug 18, 2015 - 05:30pm PT
Augh. Terrible news :(
phylp

Trad climber
Upland, CA
Aug 18, 2015 - 07:45pm PT
This is probably a stupid question but is it actually smoky at June Lake. My friend and I wanted to go for a swim tomorrow and I love that beach at Oh Ridge.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 19, 2015 - 05:11pm PT
I was lucky to catch this. I had no chance to get a second shot.

This is the flight path taken by countless B-52 bombers and KC-135 tankers during the Cold War. They'd line up by using the lights out at Farmers' Insurance's division headquarters on Hwy 99 and the lights of Main Street for visual certainty, especially on foggy nights.

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 19, 2015 - 05:17pm PT
Dear Mouse,
Uh, them boys had a few other nav sources than the mall lights.
In fact, if they had nothing working on board other than a radio they
could make a precision approach in 0-0 conditions.* ;-)

*(it's called a GCA approach)
looks easy from here

climber
Ben Lomond, CA
Aug 19, 2015 - 05:28pm PT
Updated my notated Rough Fire map (map from http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/4456/).


You can see the backburn along Rodgers Ridge. It looks like the line that was cut along Tombstone Ridge has held; it got hopped a bit, but it looks like it was jumped on and there hasn't been any growth on that flank in a couple days. However there's been huge growth to the west and southeast.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 19, 2015 - 05:31pm PT
I'm sure you're right, Reilly. This was an instructional SAC base and it's more to be expected, I suppose, that they would use instruments only, but nonetheless I'm just sayin' that they did use these lights.

I've been told that base commander was extremely "put out" when Farmers' Ins. was instructed by their main office to quit using the lights as a way to cut costs. His objections to that move registered with certain important people in DC and this got them turned back on. These had been in use for a long time by the crews and were probably a welcome sight.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 19, 2015 - 05:48pm PT
Boy charged with Willow fire arson
by Rory Appleton
Fresno Bee

A boy accused of causing the Willow fire that scorched more than 5,700 acres and prompted evacuations in the North Fork area was charged with two felonies Tuesday in Madera Superior Court.

Madera County District Attorney David Linn said the boy, who was not identified because of his young age (Linn said he is younger than 14), was charged with arson and unlawfully starting a fire--both of which are felonies. The boy also was remanded to Madera County Juvenile Detention Facility, a rare step in a juvenile case.

Prosecutors say the boy was lighting pine branches on fire July 25 when he lost control of the tiny fire and ignited nearby brush. He yelled for help, and his parents tried to put out the fire before calling 911.

No structiures were destroyed, but the fire cost at least $18.3 million to fight, the U.S. Forest Service said. the forest service reported full containment Saturday.

.........
Put him in the Mount Bullion crews, 13 or not. And ream the folks for not calling it in IMMEDIATELY!
Tork

climber
Yosemite
Aug 19, 2015 - 06:34pm PT
phylp, not smoky here in June Lake
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Aug 19, 2015 - 08:59pm PT
Doubt it Bob V, I have friends at Hume lake and in the fire crew for the park and that would be way off from everything I've heard, at least I hope!
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Aug 19, 2015 - 09:35pm PT
Mouse cool shot.... about 800 feet up?
I am sure many pilots were grateful for those lights - just slow down and drop her down into the fog....

LooksEZ... thanks for the link and the map. Getting close to some near and dear places in my life.

Limping... I hope and pray that Hume Lake is spared, a bunch of good memories from that place.

And - We can't go and burn a very young boy at the stake, like some would do, but we need to make a huge impression a lasting impression so he never starts fires again. We were all young and very stupid once.
bergbryce

climber
East Bay, CA
Aug 19, 2015 - 10:06pm PT
Three wildland firefighters lost today in Washington.
This is an awful, awful summer.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Wildfire-forces-evacuation-of-Twisp-322342801.html
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 19, 2015 - 10:34pm PT
That's awful. So surely the National Guard could do more, couldn't they?
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Aug 20, 2015 - 02:17pm PT
From a friend on facebook who's father is at Hume Lake:

HUME FIRE UPDATE "Rough Fire" 10am:

The fire has progressed overnight into the valley below the dam originating from the Kings Canyon Lodge location. Which leaves the fire in somewhat a dual route movement both up the 10 Mile Creek Drainage which is the trough directly below the dam and moving up the valley uphill form Kings Canyon Lodge which is the second valley back from the dam.

I just got an update from Dad this morning with more specifics but this is the gist.... Visibility is so poor this morning he says its really hard to tell what is actually happening, no aircraft are flying, and Dad is pretty sure the fire crews are struggling with the same visibility issues. Today bulldozers and hand crews are king right now cutting strong fire lines and the plan is to begin some back-burning near Hume and the Hume Basin to burnout fuel that may allow the fire to enter the core Hume zone...

Information I've learned from Joel Schuler and Nathan Pearsey who were at the fire briefing this morning..... Fire *could* reach the Dam today. I will certainly update you as I hear more information from the guys at Hume.

I put together a new map showing todays concerns and fire movement as well as attached the planning map directly from the fire briefing this morning. You'll see from the planning map that there are some impressive hand lines and dozer lines in place - well done crew!

DISCLAIMER: Once again, this is not "official" information but is accurate to the best of my knowledge based on my long history with the area and the information I have from people on the ground at Hume. Additionally, I know the guys up there are so busy they have little time to send updates (nor would I want them to be bothered by that distraction) so what little I can collect that is helpful to share, I will continue to share it as it comes. Right now, official information has mostly died out on the official channels such as inciWeb and other sources, so I'm going to just keep posting here till someone does better or says I have to stop.... but I'm trusting as long as I strive for accuracy and not hype we're good
smile emoticon

Again I would ask that you STOP AND PRAY. Call others to pray! Share this to have people pray! I know our God has got this... Scott Saunders said it so well in his post last night: "This fire is 0% contained by man and 100% contained by God. Although we don't understand, God knows."
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Aug 20, 2015 - 02:43pm PT
Prosecutors say the boy was lighting pine branches on fire July 25 when he lost control of the tiny fire and ignited nearby brush. He yelled for help, and his parents tried to put out the fire before calling 911.

I'm curious how long the parents tried to play fire fighter before they called it in.

Let me get this straight, they throw the kid in juvenile detention where he'll get some lessons on being a criminal, the parents get a slap on the wrist?

Or maybe there's some previous history here.
micronut

Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
Aug 20, 2015 - 03:41pm PT
Headed to Tuolumne for three days...leaving tomorrow to take my kid on our annual "Alpine weekend with Dad." Is it super smoky in Tuolumne proper due to the Walker Fire? Should we consider going elsewhere?

BTW: Thanks for the update Limpingcrab.
phylp

Trad climber
Upland, CA
Aug 20, 2015 - 07:25pm PT
My partner went through Tuolumne yesterday. She said it was very clear. And when she came over last Sunday, when the smoke from the fire eas terrible, it was also clear in thr Meadows.
Stephen McCabe

Trad climber
near Santa Cruz, CA
Aug 21, 2015 - 01:11am PT
Clear at Tioga Pass today. In the afternoon there was more and more smoke apparently from the west as we drove west. Not bad near Lembert, but smokey at Olmstead Point as we drove through around 4pm. Who knows which way the wind blows tomorrow?
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 21, 2015 - 07:50am PT
Went on a 5 day recon road trip to NW Idaho last week. On the way back down to N Bishop, we drove 395 through eastern WA and Oregon. As we approached John Day and Canyon City, I noticed a small puff of smoke coming from the forest just SE of the town. Maybe an acre or two smoldering. As we continued south on 395 along the John Day River, I then saw an HH-1 with a bucket under tow headed back up towards that small smoke we passed behind us. Ten mins later, five Hot Shot Vans and a semi hauling a Dozer went whizzing by headed towards John Day. I told my Wife that I hope they get to it in time cus the entire area was a tinder box and looked as if it hadn't burned in well over a century.

The rest is now history. Appears them Hot Shots and the HH-1 did not get to it in time as that small plume of smoke I saw last Thursday grew to a monster of well over 43K acres in size over a four day period.

http://www.mycentraloregon.com/2015/08/18/canyon-creek-complex-0-percent-contained-nations-top-priority/

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 21, 2015 - 08:00am PT
Seriously, I am mystified that those clowns masquerading in DC as servants of the people
continue to ignore the pitiful state of wildfire equipment and staffing. Don't they know that
there are scores of DC-10's sitting at Mojave and Victorville ready to be had for pennies on
the dollar and converted into tankers? For the cost of ONE POS F-35, which those retards
seem to think is a wonderful solution to our problems, we could probably have at least
15 DC-10 air tankers!
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Aug 21, 2015 - 08:50am PT
Rough fire burned all the way to the dam at Hume Lake yesterday but it looks like fire lines are holding and temps are cooling. As far as I know the Kings canyon lodge didn't burn but it looks like buck rock lookout could be in trouble. About 33,000 acres now.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Aug 21, 2015 - 09:41am PT
Rilley..... agree 100%

Limping, thanks for the update.


Chief.... how was NW Idaho???? good fishing I bet.
PAUL SOUZA

Trad climber
Central Valley, CA
Aug 21, 2015 - 09:52am PT
The Rough Fire in Kings Canyon is just shy of 40,000 acres now...

http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/4456/
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 21, 2015 - 10:43am PT
Chief.... how was NW Idaho???? good fishing I bet.

BAD to the BONE Guy!! We are moving next Spring (Priest, Hope or Clark Fork/Johnson River area) if all works accordingly. That is truly one beautiful area. Both Local Folks (Very Very VET friendly) and environment. The BOSS was thoroughly impressed.

Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Aug 21, 2015 - 10:47am PT
We are moving next Spring (Priest, Hope or Clark Fork/Johnson River area) if all works accordingly. That is truly one beautiful area.

I've spent quite a bit of time there. The fishing is quite good in places. You are going to love it. Affordable, too, at least by Cali standards.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 21, 2015 - 10:51am PT
Affordable?

That's a joke in good way. It's a steal for what you get. 6-12 acres, 3-4 BDRM 3 BATH with workshed and Pole Barn on the far side of the lake or on the Priest/Johnson Rivers all for at or under $360K.

You kidding me... Oh Man. Packing the bags and selling the home here asap for that.

Here's one we looked at and was told by the Realtor that an offer of 360K VA or Cash would take it...

http://www.sothebysrealty.com/eng/sales/detail/180-l-909-wyw958/country-charm-on-the-river-priest-river-id-83856
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Aug 21, 2015 - 10:57am PT
Ten years ago it was even cheaper.

Chief, I have a buddy in Bishop that loves to fish his ass off and lived in that part of Idaho for years. The only reason that he left was for work. It is there, but the pay can get sketch. Now that he is ready to retire, he might go back. Best of luck.

The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 21, 2015 - 11:04am PT
Sorry for thread drift Dean... passed through three different Monster fires on the way up and down.

Saw the results of a very recent one on the Westside of Pend Oreille (Bayview) when up looking at the area. It was started by two "Slob" bozo's on a boat when they supposedly accidently shot off a flare while playing around with the flare gun and partying.

nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Aug 21, 2015 - 11:06am PT
*

Another fire burning here on the east side....in Lundy Canyon.

NOooooooo.....)-;
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Aug 21, 2015 - 11:06am PT
Sorry, Dean. I'll stop.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 21, 2015 - 11:08am PT
Source of ignition in Lundy Dean? Not more Slob dudes on the lake...
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 21, 2015 - 11:24am PT
Could also be embers from the Walker Lake "Slob" ignited fire as the wind has been blowing from the SE-SW.
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Aug 21, 2015 - 11:45am PT
The Chief..

Your first panoramic pic is of Clark Fork and the actual only part of the Clark that is refereed to as the N. Fork. I have to say that zone is one of the better that I have visited in terms of the moto and folks that actually do keep to themselves. Got a buddy that runs a moto-motel on the south side of the lake, the trails are world class... anyway, you getting a boat? Do you hunt? You know a TexasWheelchair is de rigueur in N.ID.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Aug 21, 2015 - 11:56am PT
Chief.... good for you- on the move.

I don't think you, or anybody who thinks like you (freedom)- will fit in, in the new California that is now being formed by the masters in Sacramento... but I don't want this to become a derailed thread. Sorry Dean.....

All these fires!!!! makes me think we need much tougher criteria to get a fire permit.

neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 21, 2015 - 12:07pm PT
hey there say... been off line, due to slow computer... back now...

just HAD to check in here... oh my, :(
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 21, 2015 - 12:16pm PT
Your first panoramic pic is of Clark Fork and the actual only part of the Clark that is refereed to as the N. Fork

Yup... taken from a family members home that lives a mile south of Hope Marina up on the hill. Still part of the lake officially but your right Cragar. Sorry for not being more specific. I just fly fish avidly and will be getting two boats actually... A nice 18 or so footer "John" in order to fish the smaller rivers and a 25'plus Pontoon for me, the Boss and the four kids (Dogs). The pic actually shows three properties we are interested in.

Sorry Dean....
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Aug 21, 2015 - 12:26pm PT
Fires are getting bad up here in Washington.

Feds just declared a disaster for many counties out east.

Our own Phil G. is in Tonasket which has level 3 evac.

Several large Complex fires all raging.

http://www.krem.com/story/news/local/wildfire/2015/08/17/latest-alerts--inland-northwest-wildfires/31865771/
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 21, 2015 - 06:56pm PT
Dean... Far Better than what we have had down here the past week or so.

Today was plain horrible. Stayed home for the first time in two months cus I can't even see across our little valley to the Fish Pond Terrace less than two miles away to the west. At one point, Hwy 6 was barely visible and that's right at a mile from my front porch.

Sucks!

Any updates on the Lundy incident?
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 21, 2015 - 07:08pm PT
WT???


What and how bad Dean?
phylp

Trad climber
Upland, CA
Aug 21, 2015 - 08:38pm PT
We need rain!!!
looks easy from here

climber
Ben Lomond, CA
Aug 22, 2015 - 11:27am PT
Rough Fire made a couple giant runs yesterday-south right up to Hume Lake, and west almost to the North Fork of the Kings River.


Full sized map here: http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/photos/CASNF/2015-08-05-1720-Rough-Fire/related_files/pict20150722-111859-0.pdf
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Aug 22, 2015 - 04:08pm PT
Grants Grove area of Kings canyon and the entire Jenny Lakes wilderness are now closed.

Hume lake looks to be in much less danger but the fire is still trying to pass around on both sides.

Facebook pic a friend of a friend posted.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 22, 2015 - 04:21pm PT
hey there, say, limpingcrab, and looks easy from here:
... thanks to you both, for the update... oh my, :(
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 22, 2015 - 04:24pm PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^That is the smoke we have had down here in the Owens the past week or so. Winds are forecasted to shift 180 degs in the next couple days. That should help put it out as it will have nothing to burn.

FWIW: Them Sequoia's need fire (consistent heat upwards of 500degs F) in order for their seeds to open up and then germinate. Part of the natural process of the area. I am pretty certain that this isn't these incredible trees first, second or even third rodeo with monster fires. Not like anything of this sorts has ever happened in the past 10k years or so that they have been in existence.
PhilG

Trad climber
The Circuit, Tonasket WA
Aug 22, 2015 - 04:37pm PT
Wayno:
The Okanogan complex fire grew by 100 square miles in a day.
You might be able to find some great deals on land for sale this Fall.
MikeMc

Social climber
Aug 22, 2015 - 04:45pm PT
PhilG, you bring up a valid point, and one I admittedly was thinking about. Nothing like a natural disaster to push those land values down.

I guess it's good that my family are out West around the peninsula, and no longer out East.

Rough summer for people and critters, but boy I bet the West is aflame with wild flowers next spring.
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Aug 22, 2015 - 05:33pm PT
Hey Phil, I have been following these fires carefully and checking where the fires are and where the evacuations are. Some of the areas being evacuated don't seem close to the fire locations.I imagine there is some consideration of changing wind directions and intensity or maybe logistical considerations. I noticed the area north of Swanson's Mill road up to the Nat. Forest border was on level 3 but I didn't see any fire near there. Maybe they aren't reporting all the fires? Just curious.

We found a place in Eden Valley we might make an offer on.
PhilG

Trad climber
The Circuit, Tonasket WA
Aug 22, 2015 - 07:12pm PT
Wayno:
Don't know for sure. A boat load of confusion and panic in the Okanogan these days. Given the wild fire behavior conditions this year it's a good bet what hasn't burnt soon will.
My priorities: keep the beer cold and the "green" areas wet.
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Aug 22, 2015 - 11:33pm PT
Phil, glad you are O.K. I bet your son has his hands full. The way the drought and the fires have been it's probably not a question of if, but when. How is the creek running?

The big question on the property in Eden valley is the water. I've talked to some locals and they have had some issues in the last couple years.
bergbryce

climber
East Bay, CA
Aug 23, 2015 - 12:16pm PT
Does anyone know if there are volunteer opportunities related to the wildfires in CA?
I currently have time on my hands and am a (very newly) licensed RN in California as well as an EMT. Also 10+ years GIS experience. Put me to work!!
looks easy from here

climber
Ben Lomond, CA
Aug 23, 2015 - 12:26pm PT
http://www.redcross.org/support/volunteer/opportunities#step3
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Aug 23, 2015 - 12:28pm PT
bergbryce- google "wilderness medics" or some such, there may be paying opportunities in the medical units on large wildfires.
bergbryce

climber
East Bay, CA
Aug 23, 2015 - 12:31pm PT
Good stuff.
Thank you.
looks easy from here

climber
Ben Lomond, CA
Aug 23, 2015 - 12:37pm PT
paying opportunities in the medical units on large wildfires

Often they're "independent contractors" that are hired for temporary contracts, so you don't have to worry about being employed by CalFire or USFS.
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Aug 23, 2015 - 02:32pm PT
Hume lake is taking volunteers for the rough fire cleanup. Knowing them most of the volunteers will be sent to other parts of the forest to help also.
http://humelake.us1.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=35bcf344d7c73cd2deb6811fa&id=b1c35f394c
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Aug 23, 2015 - 06:53pm PT
Mari & I drove east from Seattle yesterday (Saturday) morning. By the time we were out of the city, the sun was well up, but it didn't look like any sun I've ever seen.

We could stare straight at it with no problem. The smoke from the fires on the other side of the mountains had finally reached us and the sun was just an orange basketball in the sky. Almost like a bomber's moon.

The photo is a cell phone shot through the car window and doesn't do justice to the orangeness. But does give a bit of a feel for the sense we got that the moon had somehow risen instead of the sun.

the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Aug 23, 2015 - 06:57pm PT
Summit fire info from a useful site:

http://hotlist.wildlandfire.com/threads/48799-CA-BDF-Summit
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Aug 23, 2015 - 11:59pm PT
Yes. WoW!
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Aug 24, 2015 - 10:25am PT
http://gacc.nifc.gov/nwcc/information/firemap.aspx#

Fugly.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 24, 2015 - 10:35am PT
DMT: That particular fire is actually in "central western Idaho/eastern Oregon" and located southwest of Boise on the central eastern Oregon border, Jordan Valley to be exact. I drove through it the morning after it was ignited by lightning. Got through 2 hours before they closed 95 and 395 in Oregon. I believe it is being called the Grizzly Bear Complex fire. It was pretty narly when we did. We also saw the start of the Canyon City Complex fire just 40 or so miles to the west.


Just saying....
PAUL SOUZA

Trad climber
Central Valley, CA
Aug 24, 2015 - 11:09am PT
The Rough Fire in SEKI is now just shy of 50,000 acres with 17% containment.

http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article31969611.html

Paul Martzen

Trad climber
Fresno
Aug 24, 2015 - 06:44pm PT
Drove from Fresno towards Balch Camp on the NF Kings River on Friday. The road was closed about 4 miles short, earlier in the day. Balch Camp had been evacuated and the PG&E workers had set up camp at the Kings River Powerplant. That is where the road was blocked and we could not get to Kirch Flat campground. We could not see anything from river level, so we retreated to the higher points along the road that allowed us to see over the nearby ridges. We could see the furthest west high point of Rodgers Ridge, which separates the main Kings River on the right (south) from the North Fork Kings River on the left. There were 5 or 6 smallish plumes of smoke scattered across the slope. Periodically one flared brighter for a minute or two, then faded. I took quite a few photos, then one flare got bigger and bigger. I switched to video.

[Click to View YouTube Video]
https://youtu.be/sE2fNJUGKSA

As my friend suggests in the video, the NF Kings runs from Balch Camp on the left directly below this blaze to its confluence with the main Kings on the right.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 24, 2015 - 06:47pm PT
The smoke from the above "Rough" fire is killing us down here in the northern Owens Valley. Visibility throughout the past five days has been down to less than a mile. It has kept me confined to the house. Driving me nut!!! Narly bad!
Gary

Social climber
Hell is empty and all the devils are here
Aug 24, 2015 - 07:39pm PT
Probably man made...jeep road and bike trail are the only thing up there.

Friday hiking up the Mt. Lowe fire road we ran into a smoldering campfire in the middle of the road. WTF? We dumped all of our water on it, and made a run to Mt. Wilson for more.

What are people thinking when they do that?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 24, 2015 - 07:46pm PT
Gary, thinking is likely an uncommon activity for that person. My cynical side says the perp
did it on purpose thinking it would give him time to beat feet before a gust of wind blew an
ember across the road.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 24, 2015 - 09:07pm PT
Cragman...I got to see that sky crane up close..should have posted some pics but didn't...If i remember correctly it holds 2500 gals of water....
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Aug 25, 2015 - 07:59pm PT

Smoky up in NE Washington
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 25, 2015 - 08:17pm PT
RJ, like this close?




Or this close?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 25, 2015 - 09:04pm PT
Reilly...I was on the runway parked next to 2 of them and 2 hueys...Pigs can fly ..
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 27, 2015 - 09:22am PT
Rain is forecast from Friday right through next week in Seattle! Of course, it will be much
lessened to the east but it should help immensely.

Our friends tried to hike from North Lk to South Lk Sunday but turned back at Paiute Pass.
They said the trail was thick with people bailing.
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Aug 28, 2015 - 12:21am PT
Damn that second pic is awesome Reilly.
I took this during the angora fire
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 28, 2015 - 05:18am PT
hey there say, t hocking... you are most welcome... wheeewwwww, i was so glad for your 'miracle save' there... oh my!!!!!
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 28, 2015 - 06:51am PT
We should all be grateful that none of these equate to the worst fire in this nations history, the "Great Fire of 1910".

It was the largest forest fire in American history. Maybe even the largest forest fire ever. No one knows for sure, but even now, it is hard to put into words what it did.

For two terrifying days and night's - August 20 and 21, 1910 - the fire raged across three million acres of virgin timberland in northern Idaho and western Montana.

Many thought the world would end, and for 86, it did.

Most of what was destroyed fell to hurricane-force winds that turned the fire into a blowtorch. Re-constructing what happened leads to an almost impossible conclusion: Most of the cremation occurred in a six-hour period.

A forester named Edward Stahl wrote of flames shooting hundreds of feet in the air, "fanned by a tornadic wind so violent that the flames flattened out ahead, swooping to earth in great darting curves, truly a veritable red demon from hell."
Among the 86 who perished were 28 or 29 men - no one knows for sure - who tried to outrun their fate in a straight upstraight down canyon called Storm Creek.

Two men too terrified to face death took their own lives. One jumped from a burning train and the other shot himself when he feared an approaching fire would overtake him. Two fire fighters fled into flames before the very eyes of horrified comrades huddled in a nearby stream.

Hundreds more survived, many by the grace of God. Ranger Edward Pulaski, who became a hero at a place called the War Eagle Mine, led men with prayers on their lips through a pitch-black darkness punctuated by exploding trees and waves of flames that arced across the night sky.
Perhaps, Edward Stahl would later say, "the men thought the small fires flickering dimly in the darkness were candles burning for the dead."
"The fire turned trees and men into weird torches that exploded like Roman candles," one survivor told a newspaper reporter.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 28, 2015 - 07:26am PT
Ed Pulaski gave his name to the fire-fighting tool that is part axe.
Photos taken out of TIMBER! Toil and Trouble in the Bog Woods by Ralph W. Andrews, a Bonanza Book from Superior Publishing, Seattle (1968).
PhilG

Trad climber
The Circuit, Tonasket WA
Aug 28, 2015 - 07:56am PT
Thanks Chief and Mouse! Your posts have me really scarred now!
Fortunately, the Okanogan Complex fire (Washington's largest ever) seems to be quieting down now, but NOAA is predicting 20-30 mph winds with gusts of 47 mph for Saturday.
Does anyone know if Edward Pulaski invented the tool that bears his name, or was the tool named in his honor?
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 28, 2015 - 08:01am PT
According to TIMBER!, he is the inventor, Phil.

The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 28, 2015 - 08:14am PT
This too must be posted....

WE SHOULD ALL BE SO GRATEFUL TO ALL THE MEN AND WOMEN THAT SACRIFICE ALL TO KEEP US SAFE IN TIMES SUCH AS THESE.

For without them and ALL that they do, we would ALL be hosed.

[Click to View YouTube Video]

And do I know precisely what that "Heart" entails. These Heroes are Bad MOFO's to the BONE!

Hoooooyaa!
PhilG

Trad climber
The Circuit, Tonasket WA
Aug 28, 2015 - 08:35am PT
Thanks Chief.
the goat

climber
north central WA
Aug 28, 2015 - 12:54pm PT
All I can say is the last week has been one hell of a smokey ride. Between the Chelan, Okanogan, Colville and Methow valley fires (each location having multiple incidents), I'm ready for winter. Now. Cough...............
PhilG

Trad climber
The Circuit, Tonasket WA
Aug 28, 2015 - 01:37pm PT
Found this link interesting and informative:
http://bit.ly/WAWildfires82815

The Goat: Where do you live? The air is improving here this afternoon.
Climberdude

Trad climber
Clovis, CA
Aug 28, 2015 - 01:44pm PT
Goat,

Yes, I was working last week in the Tri-Cities (southeastern WA) area and could not believe the smoke. It seemed like I was in the Middle East during the dust storms over there.
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Aug 28, 2015 - 03:12pm PT
Interesting video, Phil. How close to Tonasket is the active fire line, and how is the property in McLaughlin Canyon. It looks like Aeneas alley is surrounded.

Masha and I coming up around Labor Day if things settle a bit. There are still a couple properties we want to check out.
PhilG

Trad climber
The Circuit, Tonasket WA
Aug 28, 2015 - 04:18pm PT
Wayno:
The canyon got a good burn again (remember the lower canyon got nuked in 2007). The circuit got a good burn over this time. The North canyon looked more like spot fires, especially at the road end.
Fire was halted approximately 1 to 2 miles East of Tonasket.
MikeMc

Social climber
Aug 28, 2015 - 04:25pm PT
Man from that video it seems that between last years burns, and this years, there isn't much left in those areas to burn. I really had no idea just how much was/is burning up in WA.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 29, 2015 - 09:42am PT
Big time rain hitting Chelan area and heading toward Okanagon. Although petering out at
least it is cooling things off and raising the humidity.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 29, 2015 - 09:42am PT
More on WA

http://warisboring.com/articles/we-joined-troops-battling-washingtons-wildfires/
the goat

climber
north central WA
Aug 29, 2015 - 10:43am PT
Finally getting some rain this morning however not as much as we'd like or need. At least it should cool things down a bit and slow fire growth. Winds are gusting so that could be problematic. And the smoke is definitely better than it was midweek.

Phil- I'm in Mazama. Hope Tonasket has cooled off, looks like Republic is still under siege.
PhilG

Trad climber
The Circuit, Tonasket WA
Aug 29, 2015 - 11:35am PT
Yes Goat, Republic is still in danger as well as Loomis.
Here it's raining! It's raining!!
Kind of a smokey rain, put water from the heavens nonetheless.
masha

climber
Seattle
Aug 29, 2015 - 11:48am PT
Right on, Phil!
We've been doing a rain-dance at work all week, hoping it would make it over the hill to you all!
quartzmonzonite

climber
Aug 29, 2015 - 11:50am PT
The obelisk is on fire right now
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 29, 2015 - 02:14pm PT
hey there say, ... oh my, some friends of mine in montana, are getting a scare... and then, say, feralfae, how is the smoke today?
my friends are on the washington side of montana...

thanks for all the updates...
how is oakhurst air, today, by the way?

prayers for all concerned, in these situations...
ruppell

climber
Aug 29, 2015 - 02:42pm PT
Bishop is under siege right now. An hour ago I watched a wall of smoke move in. It was pretty surreal. Now I'm home with the swamp cooler off and every window shut. Good times. lol
the goat

climber
north central WA
Aug 29, 2015 - 02:48pm PT
That's the problem with shifting winds, one man's fresh air is another's smoke-fest. Omak and much of the Okanogan valley have been in the "hazardous" range for the past week. It seems like no wind direction favored them.

Forecast is for 0.25 - 0.50 on the east slopes of the cascades today. So far .06 in Mazama. Lame!
Steve Belford

Sport climber
Poway, CA
Aug 29, 2015 - 05:53pm PT
1/4 miles visibility in Bishop. It was a beautiful morning/early afternoon then the smoke came in thick from the south west.
doughnutnational

Gym climber
its nice here in the spring
Aug 29, 2015 - 07:39pm PT
Eric Beck

Sport climber
Bishop, California
Aug 29, 2015 - 08:23pm PT
Yesterday evening we thought that the smoke here in Bishop was the worst yet. We got the bright idea that we might be able to get above it. So, today we hiked to Mono Pass with the idea of bagging Mt Starr which neither of us has ever done. Our lungs were hurting when we got up there and we turned around.
To the south we see BCS, Dade and Abbot in outline. Wasn't a total waste, we got the last piece of pie. Down here in Bishop now, it is at least as bad as yesterday.

the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Aug 29, 2015 - 08:24pm PT
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 07:43am PT
Hey Eric Beck, I hear ya. Yesterday's longass high Eastside recon to a new Golden secret spot was super grueling BRUTAL to say the least! Our Lungs were literally searing yesterday at 11K but we pushed through it to recon another Secret Spot on the Eastside and the rewards were awesome...



Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Aug 31, 2015 - 10:21am PT
Bump for rain in Washington. I hope it helps.
PhilG

Trad climber
The Circuit, Tonasket WA
Aug 31, 2015 - 10:34am PT
Thanks, Wayno. It sure has. We can breath better and a lot of Level 3 evacs have been changed to Level 2.
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Aug 31, 2015 - 11:09am PT
These disasters like fire and earthquakes and hurricanes sure have a way of bringing people and communities together. Too bad it takes such a traumatic event to do this.

Phil, are you going to be around next week?
PhilG

Trad climber
The Circuit, Tonasket WA
Aug 31, 2015 - 02:23pm PT
Ya, dude.
PM with date and time and I'll make sure I have some cold beer on hand.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Sep 2, 2015 - 02:19pm PT
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Sep 2, 2015 - 05:42pm PT
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Sep 3, 2015 - 06:20pm PT
Am wondering how smoke conditions are on the Eastside right now? Has it improved since a few days ago?

Would appreciate an update from any local residents. Thanks in advance!
ruppell

climber
Sep 3, 2015 - 06:21pm PT
It's better than last week but still pretty shitty. I'm going to the Meadows for the weekend to get away from it for a bit.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Sep 4, 2015 - 06:39pm PT
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 5, 2015 - 02:36pm PT
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/09/03/how-a-devastating-forest-fire-revealed-a-tree-as-close-to-fireproof-as-a-tree-can-get/?tid=hybrid_experimentrandom_2_na
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 5, 2015 - 03:16pm PT
Just drove into Lone Pine - could see the smoke pouring through Kearsarge Pass - ugh.
Nice at Whitney though.
MikeMc

Social climber
Sep 5, 2015 - 03:28pm PT
Interesting to see how the fire crews are developing their burn lines to the north and south. Looks like they have just about finished them up, but still looks like this thing will be burning for a while.

Rough Fire perimeter.

neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 7, 2015 - 05:24pm PT
hey there say, mike mc... thanks for the update, map, firelines...
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 7, 2015 - 05:46pm PT
Driving back to Sin City this morn the smoke was down to Olancha.
BooDawg

Social climber
Butterfly Town
Sep 8, 2015 - 07:03pm PT
What is the latest on the Tenaya Fire? Any chance it will close the Tioga Road soon?
WBraun

climber
Sep 8, 2015 - 07:05pm PT
Any chance it will close the Tioga Road soon?


Doubt it .......
MikeMc

Social climber
Sep 9, 2015 - 10:33am PT
Rough fire is over 100K acres now, with ~ 11,000 acres burned in the last 2 days. Thing appears to be really blowing up again, however it is still showing 31% containment. Kings Canyon NP is closed, and quite a few new evacuation warnings.

Here's hoping these high temps go away soon.

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Sep 9, 2015 - 10:45am PT
The rough fire advance is a little misleading.

They did an encirclement loop of the southwest corner of the fire, creating a far-in-advance fireline running from Buck's Rock lookout, to the footprint of the 2010 Sheep fire, then enlarging it to over 500 feet wide, then allowing the fire to advance upon this strip unimpeded (very rough terrain, and couldn't have done much anyway.

They built these firelines, for the most part, on existing roads or trails, taking advantage of the terrain.

However, the "infill" burning of the enclosed land accounted for a lot of the increased acreage.....so it wasn't really uncontrolled fire, at least on that front of the fire. That enclosed area is now shown to be all burned---but it has not escaped the encirclement.
MikeMc

Social climber
Sep 9, 2015 - 10:58am PT
Ken,

I noticed they had done that in the SW quad, but it looked like it hopped their secondary lines, and moved quite a ways west. Maybe I was just reading the info wrong. Either way, that's a big fire.

Thanks for the insight though, I appreciate it.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Sep 9, 2015 - 01:30pm PT
Mike, I saw the lines, also, and thought it was confusing. I think they decided to abandon those lands as hard to defend, and created the very wide pincher maneuvers, using the existing roads/trails....and sacrificing the land in-between.
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Sep 9, 2015 - 02:34pm PT
Ya, most of the new acreage on the rough fire is due to controlled burns around the perimeter. However, it did jump the line on the SW side towards Dunlap and is not controlled in that area where it is also spreading fast. That's the cause for most of the new evacuations.
Tork

climber
Yosemite
Sep 12, 2015 - 04:07pm PT
Wow!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 12, 2015 - 04:47pm PT
Dean, cool shot, but you should credit the photog.

So, I would like to see some long term health study of hotshots' lungs. They should, at the
very least, get lifetime healthcare benefits of some sort.
JOEY.F

Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
Sep 12, 2015 - 07:16pm PT
Wow,That's quite a shot, Cragman.

Lake County getting hammered again, number 5 this year.
10k acres out of control.

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/4470252-181/thousands-under-order-to-flee?gallery=4470892
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Sep 13, 2015 - 08:49am PT
http://wildfiretoday.com/2015/09/12/four-firefighters-burned-on-the-valley-fire-in-northern-california/

Four firefighters burned on the Valley Fire in northern California

Posted on September 12, 2015 by Bill Gabbert

Four firefighters working on a new wildfire in northern California suffered burns Saturday afternoon. Daniel Berlant of CAL FIRE said they were part of a helitack crew suppressing the Valley Fire. The firefighters from CAL FIRE helicopter 104 were transported to the Firefighters Burn Institute at the University of California at Davis.

At 8 p.m. on Saturday Mr. Berlant said the four fighters all suffered second degree burns and were in stable condition.

The Valley fire grew to 10,000 acres within six hours after it started at 1:24 p.m. By 10 p.m. it had exploded to 25,000 acres.

The Valley Fire is burning about 8 miles west of the Rocky Fire that burned about 70,000 acres near Clearlake, California north of San Francisco. It also grew very quickly, blackening over 8,000 acres within six hours of starting at 4:10 p.m. PT on July 29.

Mr. Berlant said the Valley Fire has caused evacuation orders to be posted for the communities of Cobb and Middletown.
Batrock

Trad climber
Burbank
Sep 13, 2015 - 09:19am PT
Reilly,
I agree I think they should get some kind of presumptive coverage for lung CA and other types of CA associated with this type of exposure but I doubt that will ever happen. I have been a fireman for almost 30 years and have a few "lifetime" covered injuries that I have to fight tooth and nail to get treated by my department even thought they say I have lifetime coverage on said injury.
I have a year to go before I retire and I am doing my best to limit my exposure to injury, I want to have a long active retirement.
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Sep 13, 2015 - 09:27am PT
I wonder if the Lake County fires are being set by the same person. About a week before the Rocky fire, there was one near Cache Creek (off Lake Street) just outside of Lower Lake. They got it knocked down pretty quick. A week later the Rocky fire. Then another and another...

Maybe the pot growers are using slash and burn techniques to open up more land :)
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Goldenville west of Lurkerville
Sep 13, 2015 - 09:29am PT
I know this retired fireman , who was a speed-skater in the winter olympics...At fires he would direct traffic and avoid any contact with smoke and let the other fire fighters do the dirty work...To help finance his olympic trip , the crew took up a collection which he used to buy a Porsche...Lol..
Batrock

Trad climber
Burbank
Sep 13, 2015 - 09:36am PT
Rottingjohnny,
I dont limit my exposure that much lol. I work for the Los Angeles City Fire Dept. and it kinda hard not to get involved. I promoted to captain 10 years ago to help save my back after surgery but I just cant sit on the sidelines, I'm right there with my crew pulling hose, cutting roof and climbing hills. I may have promoted to captain but they couldnt take the firefighter out of me. :)
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Sep 13, 2015 - 04:18pm PT
Hey, Dean...how far north of Mammoth (on 395) does one have to go to get out of the smoke?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Sep 13, 2015 - 04:31pm PT
Thanks, Dean!
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Sep 14, 2015 - 10:07am PT
Here's some video taken by someone fleeing the Valley Fire Saturday night:

[Click to View YouTube Video]

More details at http://blog.sfgate.com/stew/2015/09/14/terrifying-video-shows-lake-county-resident-escaping-fire/
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Sep 14, 2015 - 06:40pm PT
More candidates for the Darwin Awards, Junior Division.

http://www.sierrastar.com/2015/09/14/74897_sundance-fire-burns-13-acres.html

"It was ONLY 13 acres, Ma, gee whiz!"
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 14, 2015 - 06:52pm PT
Only 40% chance for Jackson tonight

http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lon=-120.65588696498384&lat=38.332687785881035#.Vfd5QZerEk8

It looks like the southern half of the state is going to get most of the precip.
Norwegian

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Sep 14, 2015 - 08:03pm PT
raining good here,
just a few latitude
north of Jackson.

humidity is way up,
which helps some.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 17, 2015 - 04:05pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Impaler

Social climber
Oakland
Sep 17, 2015 - 04:52pm PT
In case you are interested what that red stuff is, like I was. Here's an article:

http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1919962,00.html

It's mostly ammonium phosphate and sulfate salts with red dye added. It's a fertilizer AND a fire retardant.
MikeMc

Social climber
Sep 20, 2015 - 10:38am PT
Damn, 2 more fires in Monterey Co. One is mostly contained, and the other has destroyed/damaged 10 homes, 1 dead, and 1200+ acres burned.

I'd be paranoid as hell if I lived in California right now, snooping on every car that drove by for fear of an arsonist looney.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 14, 2015 - 09:10am PT
Bombardier 415's, the famed 'Super Scoopers', at VNY.
LA County leases these from Quebec along with their nouveaux Frog crews.

Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Oct 14, 2015 - 10:08am PT
There is a 2,800 acre fire burning in the mountains about 16 miles northeast of Boise. It started 5 days ago and really took off due to hot & super-dry conditions and high winds. The second problem was a big lack of fire-fighting resources. Idaho rarely has forest fires in Oct. & if it does, rapid fire-growth is unusual, since conditions are normally much wetter & cooler.

There are currently 285 firefighters on the fire, but a lot of those folks had to be rushed in from California & the SW, since the fire-crews here are seasonal workers.

I spent Sunday night on a farm about 20 miles west of Boise & enjoyed a fire-smoke sunrise on Monday. I didn't enjoy my short business visit to Boise, since it was & is totally "smoked-in" from the fire.

WyoRockMan

climber
South Fork of the Shoshone
Oct 19, 2015 - 02:53pm PT
"Bonus Acres" from a FS "Controlled Burn" on the Clark's Fork. Pilot and Index Peaks in the background.

'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Apr 11, 2016 - 01:43pm PT
You guys know anything about this? The conviction of the King Fire arsonist? They gave him 20 years and ordered him to pay $60 million.

http://www.theweathernetwork.com/news/articles/arsonist-20-years/66200/

[Click to View YouTube Video]

mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
May 15, 2016 - 05:21pm PT
http://www.kcra.com/news/cal-fire-begins-2016-fire-season-early/38687880

It's official.

If only you could prevent forest fires...
you'd be a very busy guy.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
May 15, 2016 - 09:10pm PT
http://cdfdata.fire.ca.gov/incidents/incidents_current

The wind is from the SW, pushing the smoke up the valley.

"PUT THAT MATCH OUT, JERK!"

"Don't gas that up without a funnel, YOU JERK!"
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
May 16, 2016 - 08:49am PT
Forest Service rolls out online wildfire notification tool

EMERY COWAN Sun Staff Reporter
Updated May 14, 2016

Last week the Forest Service debuted a new website where residents can input their location and automatically receive real-time notifications about wildfires that break out in their area.

Then, the tool allows the user to follow any fire that has started within their area of interest, providing the option of text and email updates.

“The overall idea was to give people a source of data when a fire is in your back yard,” said Ben Butler, a GIS specialist with the Forest Service who created the tool. “We wanted to expose the data we have.”

While information about bigger fires tends to be plentiful, the application aims to provide information within the first 24 hours of a fire start, which is usually when such updates are hard to find.

After signing up for the online tool, a user can choose multiple areas of interest and can monitor fires as far as 20 miles away. When a user follows a fire, they can view information like the GIS coordinates of the fire start, cause, acreage and status — new, emerging, contained or controlled. Even more information becomes available if a fire gets larger, Butler said.The app takes into account fires reported by official dispatch systems as well as Twitter posts about a fire. It also has the capability for people to post comments about a fire directly to Facebook or Twitter that will be seen by other users.

The idea from the beginning was to build a tool for public consumption to help make people more situationally aware, Butler said. The tool is unique in mining information that isn’t easily accessible to the public and then delivering it directly to people’s phones and computers, he said.

If people see a wildfire pop up near them, Butler advised monitoring the application but also turning to local news sources or other authorities to get more information about the fire.

The tool does not monitor prescribed fires and doesn’t have the capability to determine whether the fire is being managed by firefighters for the benefit of the forest, Butler said.

Throughout this fire season, the Forest Service will monitor people’s use of Wildfires Near Me with a goal of gauging whether such a tool should be more fully developed with a longer-term outlook, Butler said.
http://azdailysun.com/news/local/forest-service-rolls-out-online-wildfire-notification-tool/article_57c6e893-3f27-5f37-a5c8-3e1b4bb37cd5.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=user-share;


Here's a link to the Forest Service Site:
http://wildfiresnearme.wfmrda.com/



Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
May 27, 2016 - 07:02am PT
The 2016 fire season cometh:

40 million dead trees in the California according to surveys conducted by the forest service. We were amazed at the number of dead trees the further south we drove last weekend on Highway 49 toward Yosemite. El Dorado National Forest has its fair share but nothing compared to the Southern Sierra. The lower end of the Yosemite Valley must have 20% dead trees, all that fuel is frightening.

Cry California, this fire season could easily be biblical and the worse of our time....a pending disaster? Yikes!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 24, 2016 - 07:19am PT
You know it had to have started at someone's single-wide.

"I'm going outside to have a smoke."
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jun 24, 2016 - 07:34am PT
That Monrovia fire smoke floated up the owens valley several days ago...Monrovia sounds like a rugged place to live...Marauding bears and mt. Lions...A friend , up the road in sierra madre , had a mt. lion in his front yard that seemd to be in stalking mode...
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jun 24, 2016 - 07:36am PT
We had a mountain lion walk by the house a couple of months ago in Sierra Madre. Deer feed in the lawns, bears swim in the woods.

That Erskine fire sounds bad, 150 structures burned so far.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 24, 2016 - 07:39am PT
The fire was put down like a rabid Chihuahua. Thanks fer askin'! ;-)

Yeah, talked to a lady who lives near the Mt Wilson Trailhead. She bent over to pick up
her newspaper and saw a big kitty peering at her from 30' away. They had a staredown as
she walked backwards to her house, slowly.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jun 24, 2016 - 09:34am PT
Large plume of smoke from the mono lake area...Maybe the craters are acting up..?
zBrown

Ice climber
Jun 24, 2016 - 11:04am PT
The Erskine Fire is downright tragic and looks to be the most dangerous.

Here's a video which I thought had the wrong time on it, but it's actually an hour long.

[Click to View YouTube Video]
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 24, 2016 - 12:17pm PT
19,000 acres already and the wind is blowing.
Only 600 people and 6 air tankers on scene.
That ain't gonna cut it.
kief

Trad climber
east side
Jun 24, 2016 - 12:30pm PT
Large plume of smoke from the mono lake area...Maybe the craters are acting up..?

It's on the west side of 395 above the old Marina area on the lake. Highway is closed right now between Lee Vining and Pole Line Rd (Highway 167).

zBrown

Ice climber
Jun 24, 2016 - 01:15pm PT
Erskine fire appears to be the worst. Two fatalities reported.


Report from about noon.

Fire officials confirmed two fatalities Friday in a fast-moving fire near Lake Isabella that has scorched more than 19,000 acres and destroyed 100 structures.

About 2,000 people have been evacuated as firefighters try to defend some 1,500 homes. About 600 firefighters are on the scene now, and officials hope to eventually have a thousand, they said.

Bad to worse (6:18 PM)

Wildfire burns more than 30,000 acres, prompting state of emergency; 2 dead, 100 structures lost



Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 25, 2016 - 11:58am PT
I don't get it - there are 300 people working the 800 acre Lee Vining fire.
There are 800 working the 30,000 acre Erskine fire which threatens far more
people. Is there some metric or logic I'm missing?
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Jun 25, 2016 - 01:43pm PT
Dunno about these specific fires, but the fuels can dictate crew numbers. For example, 800 acres of timber can be far more resource intensive than 30,000 acres of desert. Also watersheds, etc, can get more attention as they are more important in the long run than random brush choked canyons.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 25, 2016 - 01:45pm PT
Well, the area burning around Lee Vining isn't exactly tall timber, is it?
Pretty much the same as the area around Lake Isabella.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Jun 25, 2016 - 01:54pm PT
I said I didn't know the specifics of the fires.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jun 25, 2016 - 06:23pm PT
Directly across from an old boat workshop on the lake side of 395.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jun 25, 2016 - 07:12pm PT
Erskine fire is at zero per cent containment (Saturday afternoon).

Reportedly 1100 firefighters now, 150 homes burned.

As far as I've heard there is plenty of fuel around Lake Isabella.

The two San Gabriels fires are reported at 50% containment.

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jun 26, 2016 - 12:48am PT
http://www.fire.ca.gov/general/firemaps
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jun 26, 2016 - 01:31am PT
hey there say, cragman... thanks for the updates,

:(


thanks for the map link, ed...


rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jun 26, 2016 - 08:32am PT
I feel bad for the guy that owns Tioga Lodge...Seems like he's dumped some cash into restoring the property...That place was hit by large flash-flood back in the day...Wonder if the burn will allow for a better view of the lake and maybe the antique wooden ship will be more visible from 395...?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 26, 2016 - 12:43pm PT
Drones force firefighters to temporarily halt air assault on wildfire

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-gabriel-fire-20160626-snap-story.html

This needs to be made a felony. I don't see the difference between it and
assault or attempted manslaughter.
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Jun 26, 2016 - 01:01pm PT
^^^Allow the Forest Service to install 50 caliber chain guns in the noses of their Helis - blast a few drones out of the sky and maybe the Facebook crowd will get a clue.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jun 26, 2016 - 01:57pm PT
Only the queen bee herself should be up in the fire zone.

But seriously, I think it might already be a felony.

Well maybe not. This is Utah

A 5-mile flight restriction is in place over the Saddle Fire. Violators could face misdemeanor charges for piloting the drones in an unauthorized zone, and felony charges are possible if a drone collides with firefighting equipment.

A step up in penalties is clearly in order.


California - Senate Bills 167 and 168.


This bill would make it unlawful to knowingly, intentionally, or recklessly operate an unmanned aircraft or unmanned aircraft system, as defined, in a manner that prevents or delays the extinguishment of a fire, or in any way interferes with the efforts of firefighters to control, contain, or extinguish a fire. The bill would make a violation of this prohibition punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed 6 months, by a fine not to exceed $5,000, or by both that fine and imprisonment. By creating a new crime, this bill would impose a state-mandated local program.



http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160SB167


ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Jun 26, 2016 - 02:02pm PT
Drones around fires are seriously dangerous. Virtually all fire fighting aircraft fly low enough to hit one.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jun 26, 2016 - 04:46pm PT
Suck one into the intake of a jet engine and it's all she wrote.

+1, Reilly.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 23, 2016 - 02:17pm PT
No pics. It's a bad one @ 11,000 acres. Mandatory evac for 300 people.
Started by the CA14, and headed south. Very smoky in LA today
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jul 23, 2016 - 03:16pm PT
106 degrees. / winds to 25mph / 10% humidity
Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Jul 23, 2016 - 03:49pm PT
http://hotlist.wildlandfire.com/threads/53589-CA-LAC-ANF-Sand/page6
Here's the latest from the line. Sounds like another one to watch if your in the area!!
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 23, 2016 - 05:46pm PT
Sand fire - Santa Clarita HWY 14


[Click to View YouTube Video]



[Click to View YouTube Video]
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 23, 2016 - 05:49pm PT
Sand Fire

[Click to View YouTube Video]
rwedgee

Ice climber
CA
Jul 23, 2016 - 08:52pm PT
[photo[photo[photoid=464908]id=464907]id=464906]
From my backyard, the Sand fire
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 23, 2016 - 08:58pm PT
I have ties near the area, so I fixed these up rwedgee. That last looks suspiciously like the Station fire.




EDIT: you fixed 'em
rwedgee

Ice climber
CA
Jul 23, 2016 - 08:59pm PT
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 23, 2016 - 08:59pm PT
hey there say, zbrown and all... oh my...
say, prayers this evening for you all...


oh my... :(
rwedgee

Ice climber
CA
Jul 23, 2016 - 09:21pm PT
It's pretty much died down now but the wind shifted earlier and brought it into some brush and house I think it got ~10 houses. Sand Canyon is a narrow 2 lane road and a bunch of looky loos parked all over the road on both sides blocking the strike crews from getting in. WTF ?
First time I've seen a jet doing air drops. We usually have the Dehavilland Scoopers which would have been more effective as there's a lake they scoop from 4 minutes away giving a FAST turn around times on drops. They can go low and slow but the jet can't so the drops were fairly ineffective from a half mile high every 40 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPedHJNQNUM
as opposed to that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZkV64GJihA
It's comparable to the A10 Warthog, it does what it does real good.
They ROCK !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYHvfYGF_7Y
Jelf

climber
Jul 24, 2016 - 07:13am PT
Below is a link for an enhanced Google map centered on the Sand Fire. This map has a number of GIS (Geographical Information System) overlay layers that can be turned on/off. Each time you open the map the most recent data hosted on the GIS servers is displayed. This GIS data is coming straight from servers operated by various government agencies including GeoMAC and NOAA.

Google + GIS fire map
Long link:
[url="https://mappingsupport.com/p/gmap4.php?ll=34.368377,-118.346100&z=11&t=h,Fire_perimeter,MODIS_from_GeoMAC&q=https://propertylinemaps.com/p/public_land_map/USA/USA_wildland_fire_3.txt"]https://mappingsupport.com/p/gmap4.php?ll=34.368377,-118.346100&z=11&t=h,Fire_perimeter,MODIS_from_GeoMAC&q=https://propertylinemaps.com/p/public_land_map/USA/USA_wildland_fire_3.txt[/url]

Short link:
http://bit.ly/2a7Bve8

The 'top' layer is clickable and will display all the GIS attribute data for the thing that you clicked. When you open the map one of the satellite hotspot layers is on top. If the GIS server does not respond it is likely swamped with requests for data.

For tips on using the map please click "About this map" in the upper left corner. This ‘About’ page also has important information to help you understand the satellite hotspot data! If you want to understand the satellite data, please read the disclaimers.

I am the developer of Gmap4 which is an enhanced Google map viewer that is displaying the map. This project is a public service and part of my way to 'pay it forward'.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 24, 2016 - 07:23am PT
Thanks Jeff.

BTW there was another fire at Camp Pendleton yesterday.

I wonder what happens when a wildfire burns right down to the San Onofre Nuclear Plant and it's 3.6 Million pounds of spent fuel?

Interesting to ponder, though an earthquake is probably a much bigger threat.

But a repository for waste from nuclear sites across the country including San Onofre does not exist.

"Frankly, it should have been solved by now but it hasn't been," said John Kotek, acting assistant secretary for the Office of Nuclear Energy at the Department of Energy.


1/3 in "dry cask storage" + 2/3 in "wet storage" pools





zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 24, 2016 - 05:02pm PT
Sand Fire is back down to 10% and heading toward Acton.

SAND FIRE EVACUATIONS EXPAND AS WINDS PUSH FLAMES TOWARD HOMES


http://abc7.com/news/sand-fire-evacs-expand-as-winds-push-flames-toward-homes/1440578/AND AS WINDS PUSH FL

Hold your breath.

jstan

climber
Jul 24, 2016 - 11:06pm PT
At 11AM Sunday I used 14 going North. Wind out of the south has gotten much stronger since.
When I was on 14 there seemed little threat to 14. Fire had reached the guard rails on 14 over
perhaps a 200 yard interval. Other than that there was however a remaining unburned margin
particularly north of the starting point. The river is a substantial barrier. The hills to the SE are
burned over a very large area. Winds out of the N will threaten Rt 210 near Pasadena. Strong winds
out of the SE might threaten areas W of 14.

I figured it was reasonable to use 14 in the AM before the usual afternoon winds. Now, perhaps
problematic. In this wind if I had to reverse my course I might use US 10 or 134 and 101 to go from
JT to Santa Barbara. A traverse at 2AM maybe.

Batrock

Trad climber
Burbank
Jul 25, 2016 - 09:24am PT
Zbrown,

Nothing would happen if a fire burned down to the spent fuel, there is not any fuel to burn anywhere near those containers. In fact it would probably make a good safe area in the case of a massive wildfire in that area.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 09:54am PT
^^Yeah as I said, earthquake is certainly more the danger.

However, there is a lot of chaos that surrounds fires and a possibility (slight) that someone wishing to obtain radioactive material for a combo "clean"/"dirty" bomb might be able to obtain some.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jul 25, 2016 - 12:59pm PT
First time I've seen a jet doing air drops. We usually have the Dehavilland Scoopers which would have been more effective as there's a lake they scoop from 4 minutes away giving a FAST turn around times on drops. They can go low and slow but the jet can't so the drops were fairly ineffective from a half mile high every 40 minutes.

I think typically they have the aircraft dropping retardant (can't scoop that out of a lake) and the helo's dropping water (more precision)? This is what they did down here on the Complex Fire last month. And the jets, including the DC-10 were able to lay down big containment lines of retardant fast. They brought those baby's down to a few hundred feet above the ridge-lines. Quite something to see. They flew a small spotter plane ahead of each jet, and it would release a smoke signal to show the jet when/where to make the dump. Then it would cycle around and pick up the next jet as it approached the zone.

Took this from my porch. Reilly was up here with a real camera so he got the good pics, but he's over scaring the Swiss right now...

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 25, 2016 - 01:02pm PT
Recent drone activity has occured over the fire in the Bear Divide Area. When drones interfere with firefighting efforts, a wildfire has the potential to grow larger and cause more damage. On the Sand Fire­­, an FAA Temporary Flight Restriction (TFR) is in effect and any private aircraft or drone that violates the TFR could face serious criminal charges.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 02:16pm PT
Sand Fire - 33,000 acres, 10,000 manditory evactuations




http://abc7.com/news/sand-fire-scorches-33000-acres;-thousands-evacuated/1441587/


zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 03:38pm PT
Eerie feeling.

Sand

[Click to View YouTube Video]


Station (8/29/09)

[Click to View YouTube Video]

rwedgee

Ice climber
CA
Jul 25, 2016 - 04:11pm PT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPedHJNQNUM
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 06:15pm PT
here (leaving out the s in https makes in easier) or replace the {} with []


{youtube=WPedHJNQNUM}

[Click to View YouTube Video]
jstan

climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 08:41pm PT
https://tribktla.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/burn.jpg?quality=85&strip=all&strip=all


Almost doubled in area since Sunday.

Yeah. After I drove through mid day Sunday

it blew up.

See that red road in the lower left corner?

US 210
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 09:35pm PT
http://tribktla.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/burn.jpg?quality=85&strip=all&strip=all

Hard to find known landmarks, but it looks like it's still all north of Kagel Canyon.

For me this one shows the size and location more clearly.

http://bit.ly/2a7Bve8

It appears to be burning at the HWY 5 - HWY 14 junction.

Flip Flop

climber
Earth Planet, Universe
Jul 25, 2016 - 09:54pm PT
The Soberanes Fire ( Carmel/Big Sur) is up to 15,000 acres and only 5% contained. The smoke is sitting in the Reno/Carson and Tahoe Valleys ( or so I was told when I drove through it)
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 25, 2016 - 10:00pm PT
Sorry to see that Placerita Canyon SP was burned.
jstan

climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 10:10pm PT
The intersection of Newhall and 14 appears a problem. Anyone for Kettleman City?
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 26, 2016 - 11:25am PT
Sherpa Fire was 7474 acres, Sand is estimated at 37,999 right now.

Station Fire was 160,577 acres.

Station Fire is still controversial. From 2010.

PASADENA (AP) — A wildfire that killed two firefighters and burned 89 homes in Los Angeles County, including some in Acton, might have been doused sooner if officials had not delayed aircraft from dropping fire retardant and water, a congressional panel was told Tuesday.

William Derr, a retired Forest Service firefighter, testified that the crew of an air tanker leaving the scene of another fire offered to make a retardant drop on the Station Fire on the August morning it began to explode.

However, the crew was told it was not needed, Derr said.

The retardant “could have been effective in quenching fire” in an area too steep to reach and that eventually burned out of control, he said.

Will Spyrison, the Forest Service’s incident commander at the time, told the panel he wasn’t aware of the claim that an aircraft had been offered and waved off.

Many of the issues raised at the hearing have been detailed in previous reports about the August 2009 fire in and around Angeles National Forest that burned 250 square miles


http://www.signalscv.com/archives/34957/
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 26, 2016 - 12:45pm PT
^^^^ That's lite! If subpoenaed I could provide far more damning evidence than that.
A friend will be chairing a grand jury soon and he will be hearing from me. The Forest
Circus is such a bunch of liars.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 26, 2016 - 01:44pm PT
^I'll request that either Obama or Gowdy get right on it. Gowdy seems to like investigations.


http://wildfiretoday.com/2010/10/13/usfs-employees-testify-in-congressional-hearing-about-station-fire/
Flip Flop

climber
Earth Planet, Universe
Jul 28, 2016 - 06:49pm PT
Oh Man!
Sad News. There was a fatality on the Soberanes Fire. It's climbed to 27,000 acres.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 28, 2016 - 08:33pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]While I watched, I thought, "Every cloud of smoke belching upwards probably represents one tree being torched."
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 29, 2016 - 08:46am PT
It certainly seems to me that there are more fires this year.

I'll try to look it up.

10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 29, 2016 - 09:05am PT
Actually, # of fires, and # of acres burned is down this year.

https://www.nifc.gov/fireInfo/nfn.htm
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 31, 2016 - 08:05am PT
http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/4888/

35,000+ acres burned int the Soberanes fire so far.

John told me that the country south of Garrapata Ridge was avoided by the padres when establishing the missions because of the difficulty of travel in such steep country. And there were the Esalen people, who were described as "not complacent."
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 31, 2016 - 11:08pm PT
A fire started yesterday afternoon near Tollhouse Rock.
It's called the "Goose Fire".
http://cdfdata.fire.ca.gov/incidents/incidents_details_info?incident_id=1359
It's already at 1800 acres in a rural populated area.
One Supertopean lives nearby (darn, can't remember his Supertopo name) as do two different families I know well. None of my friends are in evacuation warning areas.....yet.

The fire is only 5% contained.

There are over 1300 fire personnel on the fire which indicates this could become very serious.
I'll be watching this one carefully.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 31, 2016 - 11:17pm PT
As for the Soberanes fire, it's now 40,000 acres
http://cdfdata.fire.ca.gov/incidents/incidents_details_info?incident_id=1348
2000 structures threatened, 57 homes gone. 18% contained.
5300 personnel, 496 engines.
I went down yesterday to have a look and saw 3 water dropping helicopters dipping into the Carmel River in Carmel Valley. The smoke overcast ran from the Point Sur area all the way to Salinas and Seaside.
Overnight the wind shifted more to the Southwest and this morning all the Santa Cruz mountains were, and still are, covered in smoke and haze.

As of late this afternoon they've issued evacuation orders for Tassajara road all the way to its end at the Zen Center and hot springs. They've also added evacuation orders for a large area south and east of the Carmel River in Carmel Valley.
They don't expect to wrap it up until the end of August.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 31, 2016 - 11:28pm PT
hey there say, high traverse... say, as to this:

Overnight the wind shifted more to the Southwest and this morning all the Santa Cruz mountains were, and still are, covered in smoke and haze.

and the other updates...


oh my... thanks so very much... :(
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 1, 2016 - 07:53pm PT
Goose fire is now at 2000 acres but 20% contained.
It looks as if it won't reach Tollhouse Rock as it is bounded by Lodge Road and Tollhouse Road.

Good news from my friends in the Tollhouse area. They're just 2 miles from Tollhouse Rock. When teenagers, the kids used to scramble up the back side.

They were on evacuation notice yesterday, but now are off the list.

Soberness Fire growth appears to have slowed but the fire is inexorably moving eastwards.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 2, 2016 - 11:06am PT
This was of interest.[Click to View YouTube Video]
It's cooled down. Hope the fires do, too.
Climberdude

Trad climber
Clovis, CA
Aug 5, 2016 - 08:10am PT
The Goose Fire is now 90% contained and all closures and warnings lifted. Hotels, restaurants, and REI in Fresno were filled with firefighters lately. I am glad it is nearly out since I am going to Courtright this weekend and was worried that Hwy 168 was going to be closed. Now there is a small fire (Grub Fire) west of Oakhurst. Be careful out there!
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Aug 9, 2016 - 05:03pm PT
Frick! What's with all these fires? How are they starting?
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 9, 2016 - 05:09pm PT
hey there say... wow, i been so busy, i can't even keep up with the fire
thread, :O

and, sad to hear the latest news...
here... (thanks for the update, sewellymon)



say, will have to backtrack, and see what's going on...

prayers for all and for the firefighters, once again...


:(



hey there say, climberdude... thanks for the updates...
in a group there...

and for this:

Now there is a small fire (Grub Fire) west of Oakhurst. Be careful out there!



hey there, say, johntp... nice to see you, this eve...

johntp

Trad climber
socal
Aug 9, 2016 - 05:19pm PT
Cheers back at you neebs!
Climberdude

Trad climber
Clovis, CA
Aug 9, 2016 - 09:30pm PT
I give a big thank you to all firefighters and others who helped put out the Goose Fire. Although several houses outside of Prather were destroyed, it could have been a lot worst. If it had burned down the east side of Black Mountain and then across Lodge Road, it could have gone up to the climbing areas Squarenail and Tollhouse Rock. When you now climb at either of these locations, look out west to Black Mountain to see where the fire was on the east side of the mountain.
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Aug 15, 2016 - 10:34am PT
Another big one forming near Clear Lake in Nor Cal. Buildings in Lower Lake burned. 4th bad one in 2 years. I'm starting to think by the proximity of the 4 fires it has got to be either arson or meth labs.

We had a place on Cache Creek about a mile from Lower Lake. Spent most of 20 summers there. Super sad.

http://wildfiretoday.com/2016/08/14/clayton-fire-burns-structures-near-lower-lake-california/
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Aug 15, 2016 - 09:02pm PT
BUSTED!!!

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Clear-Lake-man-arrested-on-arson-charges-over-9144678.php
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 17, 2016 - 07:20am PT
82,000 evacuations near Cajon Pass.

Has anyone seen a recap of the known or suspected causes of this year's fires?


This guy was charged with 17 counts of arson.

Damin Anthony Pashilk, 40, of Clearlake, California, was arrested on 17 counts of arson in connection with several fires in Lake County over the past year, including the Clayton fire, Lake County Sheriff Brian Martin and Ken Pimlott, director of the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection, told the AP.

mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 19, 2016 - 06:30am PT
Red Eyes and Red Skies

Waking up to the reddest skies I’ve ever seen
It makes me want to flee the scene
But smoke particles are really mean
We need some rain, nature’s washing machine

Sick of the air and sick of the fires
I’d hate to use it to fill my tires
It chokes my lungs and my desires
This holocaust of dead pine pyres
--MFM/8-19-16

TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Aug 19, 2016 - 10:51am PT
I belong to two local volunteer fire departments…spent last night running a fire hose on a forest wildfire near here…sent home for rest and still on standby…

it would be well for more climbers to train with volunteer fire departments
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 19, 2016 - 12:58pm PT
Starting to have some stats filter out

96 homes, 213 other buildings destroyed in massive Blue Cut fire




http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-blue-cut-fire-20160819-snap-story.htmlngs destroyed in massive Blue Cut fire
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 19, 2016 - 01:03pm PT
hey there say, all...

thanks for the updates, thanks so much...

prayers, for everyone...

mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 2, 2017 - 10:08pm PT
California' fire season has begun, it appears.

PLEASE BE FIREWORKS SANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Flames thank you, and Smokey thanks you.

https://www.mymotherlode.com/news/local/308430/columba-air-resources-heading-to-mariposa-county-fire.html

Update at 9:35 p.m.: Cal Fire has released the numbers regarding resources on the scene of the Spring Fire in Mariposa County burning between the Mormon Bar and Bootjack areas. There are 33 engines, 14 fire crews, 6 air tankers, 3 helicopters, 5 dozers and 4 water tenders. The cause of the fire is under investigation.

Columbia’s two tankers have been released from the scene but Air-Attack along with a helicopter will return tomorrow at 9 a.m. to further aid in battling the blaze, according to Cal Fire Tuolumne-Calaveras Unit Dispatch. (Further details on evacuations and road closures can be viewed below.)
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 2, 2017 - 10:12pm PT
hey there say, mouse... oh my... i just saw this...

SPRING FIRE...

is this different, now, right?
which did you just share...

*i do not know the areas very well, etc...


Air tankers and helicopters were called in on the Spring Fire southeast of Mariposa Sunday afternoon:

A wildfire sparked along Highway 49 southeast of Mariposa Sunday afternoon forced evacuations of numerous homes and a complete closure of the highway, all while causing a power outage to more than 2,000 customers of Pacific Gas and Electric Company.

The blaze, named the Spring Fire, was reported around 1:45 p.m. near the Mariposa Lutheran Church and grew to an estimated 80 acres by 5 p.m. Flames jumped across Highway 49 around 2:45 p.m., forcing its closure shortly south of Ashworth Road. Drivers are advised to use Darrah and Triangle roads as a detour.

At least five air tankers and three helicopters are making water and retardant drops on the flames, alongside strike teams, bulldozers, water tenders, and engines from Cal Fire, the Mariposa County Fire Department, and Sierra National Forest. One Very Large Air Tanker (VLAT) has been ordered.

The Mariposa County Sheriff’s Office first issued evacuation orders for residents on Ashworth and Allred roads, with an evacuation center set up at Woodland School, located at 3394 Woodland Drive in Mariposa. Evacuation orders were then ordered for Ching Road to Silva Road, Grist Road to Old Oak Lane, Silva Road to Carlton Road, Carleton Road to Morning Star Lane, and the entirety of Morning Star Lane.

PG&E is working to restore power to 2,071 customers in the areas of Triangle and Darrah roads, and at Eastman Lake.

The cause of the Spring Fire is under investigation.

This story will be updated as information becomes available.

thanks for sharing...
oh my...
BooDawg

Social climber
Butterfly Town
Jul 4, 2017 - 05:56pm PT
The Spring Fire is now contained and out. All roads are now open, and evacuees are returning to their homes.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 4, 2017 - 06:29pm PT
hey there say, booDawg... whewww... very very good to HEAR this!!

thanks for sharing!
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 7, 2017 - 03:53pm PT
There is a big'un going in SLO country now.

http://www.fire.ca.gov/current_incidents/incidentdetails/Index/1628

Alamo fire, off Highway 166 near Twitchell Reservoir.
500 acres, 10% containment
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Jul 7, 2017 - 07:04pm PT
Saw the Alamo pyro-cumulus blow up to 30,000 feet before the afternoon onshores stripped off the top.

Now that it has fallen to earth like a defrocked angel, I'm choking on fumes over here.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 7, 2017 - 11:59pm PT
hey there say, Ricky D ... oh my! :(
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 8, 2017 - 06:18am PT
Jefferson County (Denver) officials said four unattended campfires have been discovered this week. Are hikers the dumbest life form?
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 8, 2017 - 11:42am PT
Malemute, I wonder if the Bugaboos will be declared off-limits due to the state of emergency. In 1970 fires were raging down in MT and some of BC and the government agencies declared a SOE. Our party of three Californians and all other parties were told to pack our tents and get out of Boulder Camp and hit the road. All Provincial parks were shut down for the duration.
Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Jul 8, 2017 - 04:23pm PT
There's a New Fire that popped up today right by the Needles. There is the Schaeffer Fire also around there that I'm sure is making the air pretty smokey for breathing. Watch out and plan your way out if need be.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 8, 2017 - 04:59pm PT
170 new fires in BC in last 24 hrs!!!!!!

https://www.google.com/amp/nationalpost.com/news/canada/b-c-wildfires-burning-out-of-control-province-wide-state-of-emergency-declared/wcm/a43f5fa0-9fe2-497d-822b-099db71884c6/amp
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
Jul 8, 2017 - 05:52pm PT
Just came down The Dempster into Dawson City and went through about 40 miles of wildfires burning roadside. Scary! Now trying to figger our route over to Alaska and down through BC. May require some re figgering. Dawson City very smoky.

Susan.

mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 8, 2017 - 11:42pm PT
Another long day--flying into Castle at dusk.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 9, 2017 - 11:46am PT
Thousands Flee Wildfires Burning In the US and Canada

(See photos)
http://www.mercedsunstar.com/news/nation-world/article160371209.html

Wildfires barreled across the baking landscape of the western U.S. and Canada, destroying a smattering of homes, forcing thousands to flee and temporarily trapping children and counselors at a California campground.
Here's a look at the wildfires blackening the West.

SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
A pair of wildfires egged on by record-breaking heat in Southern California quickly spread, threatening hundreds of homes and forcing evacuations at a popular lakeside campground and a summer camp.

The fire that started early Saturday afternoon in Santa Barbara County had spread to both sides of Highway 154 and was completely out of control, county fire Capt. Dave Zaniboni said. About 90 children and 50 counselors were stuck at the Circle V Ranch and had to take shelter until they could be safely evacuated.

High temps and dry gusts tripled the size of another Santa Barbara wildfire to nearly 30 square miles (about 77 square kilometers) over eight hours and forced evacuations of about 200 homes in a rural area east of Santa Maria, fire spokesman Kirk Sturm said.

In the middle of the afternoon, Santa Barbara officials sent out alerts to residents and campers near Cachuma Lake to evacuate as the fire started near Whittier Camp, Zaniboni said.

The lake, which was nearly bone dry last summer after the severe drought, is popular for camping, boating and fishing. Residents were also ordered to leave cabins in the Los Padres National Forest.

The fire burned at least 4.7 square miles (12 square kilometers), including a portion of the Cachuma Lake campground, and was 10 percent contained.

NORTHERN CALIFORNIA

In Northern California, a Butte County wildfire swept through grassy foothills and destroyed 10 structures, including homes, and led to several minor injuries.

Burned-out pickup trucks were left in ashes, surrounded by charred, leafless trees. The metal frame of a mobile home and a vintage stove were left standing in scorched debris at one site.

The blaze about 60 miles north of Sacramento grew rapidly to more than 7 square miles (11 square kilometers) and was 20 percent contained, according to the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection.

The area burning was about 10 miles (16 kilometers) south of Oroville, where spillways in the nation's tallest dam began crumbling from heavy rains this winter and led to temporary evacuation orders for 200,000 residents downstream. On Saturday, authorities issued an evacuation for about 250 homes threatened by the fire.

After five years of severe drought, California got a big break with record rainfall and snowpack in parts of the state this year that has delayed the start of fire season in some places, but has also led to explosive vegetation growth that could fuel future fires.

BRITISH COLUMBIA

Firefighters were contending with nearly 200 wildfires burning in British Columbia that had destroyed dozens of buildings, including several homes and two airport hangars. The three biggest fires, which ranged in size from 5 to 8 square miles (14 to 20 square kilometers), had forced thousands of people to flee.

The province has been sending as many firefighters as it can to contain the flames -- more than 1,000 were battling the fires, backed by hundreds of support staff.

Cliff Chapman, the deputy manager at the Kamloops Fire Centre, suggested Saturday was a day he'd never forget.
"I've been in this business for 17 years, from crew all the way up to where I am now, and I haven't experienced a day like we experienced yesterday," he said.

ELSEWHERE IN THE WEST

In Colorado, residents of nearly 500 homes outside the ski town of Breckenridge were allowed to return home Friday night. On Saturday, authorities lifted an evacuation order in Landusky, Montana, in the Little Rocky Mountains south of the Fort Belknap Indian Reservation.

A grass fire in northwestern Colorado had burned 18 square miles (47 square kilometers) and was spreading in several directions at once because of wind patterns from passing thunderstorms, fire spokesman Chris Barth said.

A wildfire in southern Wyoming grew to 3 square miles (8 square kilometers). An unknown number of cabins remained under evacuation orders.
jstan

climber
Jul 9, 2017 - 01:23pm PT
The blaze about 60 miles north of Sacramento grew rapidly to more than 7 square miles (11 square kilometers)

Help me out here. A kilometer = about .621 miles. So the ratio of an area should be the square of this= .386

That means 1 sq mi=2.59 sq Km.

7 and 11 don't work. Should be 7x2.59=18.13 sq km.

Santa Barbara had an appreciable rain last night. A friend lives on Farren Rd and faced mandatory evacuation yesterday. The fire was moving at 2 mph so I don't know how one could be sure of not being trapped on Farren road. Serious spotting.
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Jul 9, 2017 - 07:41pm PT
*
These are photo's taken yesterday from freelance photographer ~ Josh Edelson.
Wallfire , In Oroville Ca. .....25% contained.

Today a fire strike team from Tahoe city was parked across the street from my place in Bidwell park.. Four firefighters had just got off a 24 hour shift and were seeking shade from the sun.. About 1000 firefighters are stationed at the fairgrounds which doesn't have many shade trees. I talked with them a bit and invited them to rest in my back yard and swim in the pool.....Happy they took me up on it. Thank You guys...

Edit: Mighty Hiker ..I just wanted a picture of them and they took one with me..)-;






mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 16, 2017 - 10:39pm PT
The TV news called this the Springs fire. Calfire is calling it Detwiller.

http://www.fire.ca.gov/current_incidents/incidentdetails/Index/1672

mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 17, 2017 - 02:15pm PT
Bad news burn...http://www.fire.ca.gov/current_incidents

Good news...
The Wall fire is now contained.
The Garza fire is nearly so.
Boo-ya, Cal Fire!!
Captain...or Skully

climber
Boise, ID
Jul 17, 2017 - 02:21pm PT
Statisically speaking, they haven't got a chance.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 17, 2017 - 05:55pm PT
Maybe so.

http://www.mercedsunstar.com/news/local/environment/article161879508.html

Huge disparity acreage-wise between this report and the Cal Fire Incident Report.

http://valleyair.org/wildfires.htm
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 18, 2017 - 07:22am PT
My utmost sympathy for BC evacuees.
http://abc30.com/news/detwiler-fire-grows-to-15500-acres-5-percent-contained/2229350/
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 18, 2017 - 07:51am PT
JB, it seems to me that Ottawa has long deemed BC's fires its own business. Am I somewhat correct? Are there still only 1000 people fighting the fires?

I'm still pissed off that they did nothing to stop the Edwards' 'Crusoe of Lonesome Lake' homestead from being burned out.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Outside the Asylum
Jul 18, 2017 - 01:31pm PT
Reilly, firefighting in Canada is largely a provincial responsibility, as most land in a province is at least nominally owned and managed by the province. IIRC, about 3,000 people are directly fighting the fires, with about 1/3 from out of province. And, of course, enormous infrastructure and support. The federal government is providing substantial backing. About 47,000 citizens have been evacuated, although a few have been permitted to return home.

The changeover in our provincial government today won't make a difference - this is a bipartisan thing, while the emergency is being dealt with.

Given the longer term weather forecasts, the forest fire closures may if anything grow as the summer goes on. It wouldn't be a surprise if places like the Bugaboos were closed. Climbers were lucky with the widespread closures in 2003, as although everything was closed, the Access Society (CASBC) and others were able to arrange for climbers to continue climbing at Stawamus Chief Provincial Park, as long as we provided foot patrols of parking areas and trails. "Patrol a Crag." (A few times, they had to forcibly stop xuckwits from smoking.) Whether that might happen again if there are closures this year remains to be seen. Even in 2003, most areas were closed.

It sounds like the fire near Mariposa is causing huge problems also.
Burnin' Oil

Trad climber
CA
Jul 18, 2017 - 03:06pm PT
Cal Fire calls for evacuation of Mariposa.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 18, 2017 - 03:09pm PT
Evacuation orders are in place for:
City of Mariposa, Mount Bullion Ridge Road from HWY 49N to CYA Road

Old Toll Road between Corbett Creek Road and HWY 49N, including Corbert Creek Road.

Mount Gains Road to No.9 Road including No.9 Road

Mount Bullion Cut off Road and Agua Fria Road from HWY 49N to HWY 140

HWY 49N to Baxby Bridge to Agua Fria Road; Area known as Mount Bullion

HWY 49N from Mount Bullion Ridge Road to Old Toll Road

Pendola Garden Road from HWY 49N to Old Toll Road (Exit via Old Toll Road only)


Evacuation Advisories are in effect for the following areas: All of CYA Road.

Red Cross Evacuation Shelter:
EV Free Church
50443 School House Road
Oakhurst, CA

Road Closures
HWY-49 at HWY-132 (Coulterville Rd.) - Restricted access to locals with addresses in La Grange, Coulterville, or Greely Hill only
Bear Valley Rd. at Exchequer Rd.; Hornitos Rd. and Old Toll Rd.; HWY-49 and Mt Bullion Cutoff.; Mt. Gains Rd. at No.9 Rd.; Hwy 49 at Aqua Fria.; Hwy 140 at Aqua Fria.

Conditions:
Fire activity continued to grow throughout the night due to ample fuel, and steep terrain. Today firefighters expect unfavorable weather conditions and aggressive fire behavior. The communities of Hunters Valley, Bear Valley, and Hornitos continue to be threatened as the fire encroaches on culturally and historically sensitive areas.

Traffic along HWY 41 & 49 will be impacted as a result of road closures on HWY 49. The fire continues to threaten power lines to the south of the incident, which supply power to Yosemite National Park.

Firefighters on the ground as well as aircraft are actively working to contain and suppress the fire. CAL FIRE Incident Management Team 4 assumed command of the incident at 1000 hrs. from the Madera, Mariposa, Merced Unit.

As expected, the fire crossed Hwy 140 near Catheys Valley.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Jul 18, 2017 - 04:21pm PT
Pray for rain.

mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 18, 2017 - 04:22pm PT
Burnin' Oil

Trad climber
CA
Jul 18, 2017 - 05:05pm PT
My father-in-law lives at the end of Mt Bullion Ridge Road. Fire is approaching.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 18, 2017 - 06:48pm PT
This pyrocumulus (6:00 pm) is on the northern flank above the Merced Canyon. This is likely gonna crest the ridge and drop into Bagby, I think.It took the aircraft six minutes to get to this point from when it appeared above.

Time for another run or two left today, if they're up for it.

It's nice to be able to shoot these in the room with the A/C running!

The temp is super-hot today here.
domngo

climber
Canada
Jul 18, 2017 - 08:04pm PT
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 18, 2017 - 08:51pm PT
This is so sad, so many people threatened by this.

When will the powers-on-high figure out that we cannot firefight our way out of this mess?

We can only cut down the number/severity of fires, through preventive measures, such as prescription burns, targeted logging, aggressive forestry practices.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 18, 2017 - 09:01pm PT
we cannot firefight our way out of this mess?

That was an argument posited by the ground pounders BITD. If we threw 1/20th of the air resources we give the Pentagon we could darken the skies with C-131's and C-17's. Of course other prophylactic measures need to be taken but why is sylvan firefighting such a low priority? Crankloon Urban Americans just don't care.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 19, 2017 - 03:12am PT
https://heavy.com/news/2017/07/detwiler-fire-mariposa-map-update-evacuation-video-photo-yosemite-damage-cause/

neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 19, 2017 - 05:44am PT
hey there say, all... very very sad... awful... thank you all for the updates...

thank you mouse, for the sad photo... a reminder to us all to pray, or, do whatever we can do... sad for mariposa, :(
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 19, 2017 - 05:54am PT
The air here is still this morning, much less wind than yesterday. Keep praying Mariposa's still there.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
Jul 19, 2017 - 12:05pm PT
Praying, tears.....
throwpie

Trad climber
Berkeley
Jul 19, 2017 - 12:29pm PT
Have you heard from Mathis? Greeley Hill looks like its in the crosshairs. Its so dense in there...
john hansen

climber
Jul 19, 2017 - 01:13pm PT
I think BooDawg lives around there too.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
Jul 19, 2017 - 01:18pm PT
He does and he says he's OK so far. Both his rental home and new home are there.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 19, 2017 - 05:37pm PT
Throwpie, I called Mathis with news of the evacuation ADVISORY for Coulterville and Greeley Hill and just now got off the phone with Mathis' momma (she's gonna be 89 soon and sounds great) because he's not answering today but that don't mean sh#t because he's probably fine because she hasn't heard from him and he'd let her know.

I'm glad to hear BooDawg's in the clear. He lives just a couple of miles up the hill on 49 north of Mariposa. The CalFire station is right there as the hill commences.

Best of luck to all the Mariposites.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
Jul 19, 2017 - 06:50pm PT
Thanks for the picture updates mouse. We are all of us keeping the positive thoughts for all our friends and everyone.
JOEY.F

Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
Jul 19, 2017 - 07:00pm PT
Thread originator & the Mrs. & cats under mando evac. 🙏
Edit
They've got an action plan and will be 👌
Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
Jul 19, 2017 - 07:44pm PT
OMG, Khanom, you guys too. Praying and hugs and love.
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Jul 19, 2017 - 09:20pm PT
*
Khanom and Miss Vicky, i know you probably would not drive up to Chico...but..our door is open if you need a place to crash.

Stay safe.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 20, 2017 - 12:52am PT
hey there, say, good to hear, as to khanom... say, nita, thanks for sharing, as well, as to 'place to stay'...


prayers, yep, more prayers for all involved... :(
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Jul 20, 2017 - 08:38am PT
Anyone know the link to the site that maps out smoke impact from the fires in the Sierra?
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Jul 20, 2017 - 09:54am PT
https://worldview.earthdata.nasa.gov/?p=geographic&l=VIIRS_SNPP_CorrectedReflectance_TrueColor(hidden),MODIS_Aqua_CorrectedReflectance_TrueColor(hidden),MODIS_Terra_CorrectedReflectance_TrueColor,Reference_Labels(hidden),Reference_Features(hidden),Coastli

^^^ go here and navigate to your AOI then go to the bottom and slide the time indicator to your desired date to see if the image is available...


Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Jul 20, 2017 - 10:39am PT
Todays fire map. 73,000 some acres
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Jul 20, 2017 - 11:11am PT
Thanks guys!
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 20, 2017 - 11:12am PT
The beast just keeps going and going.

Coulterville is the new Mariposa.

Detwiler has grown to 70,000 acres and is feeling its oats.

Noon news pegs containment at 10%.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
Jul 20, 2017 - 11:34am PT
LC, thanks for the question and others big thanks for how to find answers! Day 2 here in Carson Valley with gnarly smoke haze. Praying for firefighters, people and their homes and businesses as well as Rain and personally a wind shift. lynnie
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Jul 20, 2017 - 07:08pm PT
Here's another really good one someone just linked on facebook. Don't think it predicts but you can look at previous days and make inferences.

https://www.airfire.org/data/bluesky-daily/

Edit: when ran for the previous day the model goes for 71 hours so it does predict I guess. Not actual data but a model prediction.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 20, 2017 - 10:10pm PT
hey there say... thank you all... been trying to keep up with all the updates...


but, been busy, thank you all!!
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 21, 2017 - 06:31am PT
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Jul 21, 2017 - 07:34am PT
Best wishes to all involved!

Hotshot photo from back in the day...

Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Jul 21, 2017 - 08:08am PT
^^^ What crew were you on?
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Jul 21, 2017 - 09:26am PT
Payson, on the Tonto NF.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jul 21, 2017 - 09:36am PT
On the edge and scared...Did you know " Red Eyes " Gary...?
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Jul 21, 2017 - 09:44am PT
Drawing a blank.. it's been a long time. Fred Schoeffler was the supe. Pretty interesting guy. He let us wear those Ghengis Khan Hotshots shirts. Cut line or die!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jul 21, 2017 - 09:50am PT
Gary is about 62 and still working fire prevention on the Tonto...I think he's a supervisor...Always sending me fire updates in Arizona...LOL..
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Jul 21, 2017 - 10:06am PT
I bet I worked with him or crossed paths. The hotshot world is pretty wild! So fun,I loved it.

Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
Jul 21, 2017 - 10:10am PT
Great sun/window photo, Mouse!
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Jul 21, 2017 - 10:51am PT
Coo, I worked for RioBravo before they were Rio Bravo in the late 80's. I got to work with FireUseModules in the early 2000's when I was doing fire research and I really dug that compared to 12+ hours of ground pounding and running a saw. More obs and analysis with the FUM; we still got our hikes on but we got to use our brains too!! ;^)

Man, those headlamps were heavy! Thanks for the coo pics! My second year another guy and I were a 2 man hot spot squad HSS(he and I took PT very seriously and could hike circles around the crew) and that was kik-a$$. In So-Cal a HSS is pretty helpful in steep yucca/ceanothus terrain or anytime spotting, jackpots rollers were a concern
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 21, 2017 - 12:16pm PT
Thanks, Lynnie!

http://google.org/crisismap/google.com/2017-detwiler-fire

This is getting down to the bone. The fire is not far from Manzanita Way (zoom in on the north side of the map) where sits Mathis' place, Camp Runamucka. Yikes!
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Jul 21, 2017 - 12:59pm PT
I remember Rio Bravo! SoCal hotshotting is gnar gnar- hot, rugged, urban interface, etc.

I worked four years on my hotshot crew, jumped for another 4 then went to law school!


Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Jul 21, 2017 - 01:10pm PT
Speaking of gnargnar, an x jumper from here got into the pack business because, well, you know how all you jumpers can sew better than most of the ladies..uh oh, sexist!

https://www.nargear.com/

Coo packs.

What base did you jump out of?
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Jul 21, 2017 - 01:26pm PT
Cool packs! I'm sure they are more than bomber. I jumped out of Redding, so the Shasta-Trinity and Klamath were our local jump country. Deep down I always liked hotshot style firefighting more than jumper fires. But overall jumping was really fun and exciting.

Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Jul 21, 2017 - 04:35pm PT

It can be scary and beautiful all at once!
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Jul 22, 2017 - 06:24am PT
Whoa, Radish, that's a freakin' rad pic. Well done.

BAd
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Jul 22, 2017 - 06:19pm PT
Evac order lifted today for me after three weeks away! I actually got to get back in two days ago and saw my house was still standing since a firefighter got a toothache and I drove 5 hrs with police escorts for the last hour, slept three hours in my back office and treated the guy at 6am before he got back on the fire line. Some tough firefighters out there!
snowhazed

Trad climber
Oaksterdam, CA
Jul 22, 2017 - 06:37pm PT
Last Tuesday in little slide- rolled in and out in a few hours

the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Jul 22, 2017 - 07:21pm PT
RJ- would that be Gary Daniels??

Lots of fires up in the Missoula area right now. One of the locals told me that despite having a fairly substantial snowpack, the area got heavy snows early, before the ground froze, so when it did get cold enough the ground was insulated from the heavy freezing. Which lead to quicker snow runoff this Spring. It is shaping up to be a long season here in the northern Rockies.

Not sure if it made the news, but 19 year old firefighter Trenton Johnson was killed by a falling tree here on the Lolo forest. He had been a Wildland firefighter for one month. Rest In Peace young man.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 22, 2017 - 10:50pm PT
hey there, say, the albatross... oh my, sadly, i DID see that in a fire news-link, that someone shared on facebook, :( my condolences to his family and loved ones... :(
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 24, 2017 - 09:40pm PT
http://abc30.com/news/additional-detwiler-fire-evacuation-orders-lifted-in-mariposa-county/2229350/

There was a flare-up on the north flank of the Detwiler fire this afternoon. It was a cause for concern but isn't going anyplace.
https://www.mymotherlode.com/news/local/315124/50-percent-containment-on-detwiler-fire.html
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 27, 2017 - 02:58pm PT
Most of the mandatory evacuations are lifted in the Detwiler fire. the Rev is moving back in at Greeley Hill...just spoke with him.

However, there is now another fire which sprung up at noon in the same locale as the Detwiler fire's point of origin.

It is being called the Hunter fire, same as the one there two years ago.

http://www.sierrastar.com/news/local/article164003532.html

I even have a photo of it's smoke cloud from my window.
It's a few degrees left of true north from here.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jul 27, 2017 - 08:17pm PT
Albatross ...Gary Roberts... He sent me the article on the Lolo death...
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Jul 27, 2017 - 09:15pm PT
Did Gary get bit by a rattlesnake back in the day??

Sorry to hear about the Lolo accident. I think most wildland fire fatalities are from falling trees and vehicle accidents. With the trees, the roots burn and they can just sort of topple quietly and randomly. With vehicles, over tired / over worked personnel are driving rigs in mountainous terrain with unfortunately predictable and repeated results.




rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jul 27, 2017 - 09:46pm PT
I'll ask about the snake bite which seems to be part of fire fighting...
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 27, 2017 - 11:46pm PT
http://www.sierrastar.com/news/local/article164096832.html

The so-called Hunter fire, reported above, is now officially a part of the Detwiler fire, as it was inside the containment lines of the Detwiler fire.

And this afternoon further south above Oakhurst...
http://www.yourcentralvalley.com/news/local-news/300-acre-wildfire-burns-near-oakhurst/128974150
Mighty Hiker

climber
Outside the Asylum
Jul 29, 2017 - 02:31pm PT
An up to date report on fires in BC, with lots of historical perspective.

(Remembering that the area of BC is greater than that of Washington, Oregon and California, together.)

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/area-of-b-c-burned-by-wildfires-at-a-56-year-high-1.4226227

As there's no forecast end to the warm, dry weather, and indeed it's supposed to be warmer in the coming week, there will likely be significant forest closures in southwest BC in the next week or two - commerce, industry, recreation. As last occurred in 2004.
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Jul 29, 2017 - 03:17pm PT
Thanks for the update, Anders!

Am going up to BC next weekend to see my Mum. Am bringing her an air purifier to filter out smoke from what she has to breathe. It could be a very long fire season.
BooDawg

Social climber
Butterfly Town
Jul 29, 2017 - 03:33pm PT
A friend gave me a copy of the print edition of the Saturday, July 22 edition of the Fresno Bee where my picture made the cover:


While they got my name wrong in the print edition, they got it right in the on-line edition that can be found here:

http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article163039153.html

Our town is still recovering from the traumas of the fire, its forced evacuations, and the losses of many homes; yet there is a lot of local support for those who have lost so much of their material lives, a tribute to the bonding that happens when communities of every size face adversity. If only we, as a country, could ALL see the many ways we can help those in gravest need to achieve a decent life, most of the political divisiveness would actually dissolve with the ME-FIRST GREED...
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 1, 2017 - 08:07am PT
Good thoughts, Mr. Cole. Glad your places are secured, though I imagine you've lost some business due to the disruption.

https://sierranewsonline.com/update-on-the-detwiler-fire-monday-9-am/
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Aug 1, 2017 - 09:04am PT

Lightning caused fire on the west side of Hwy 158 in the June Lake area.
Fire is between Silver, and Grant lakes.
100 acres
BooDawg

Social climber
Butterfly Town
Aug 2, 2017 - 07:39pm PT
There seems to be new fire, ignited by yesterday's lightning, somewhat south of Bridalveil Campground. Smoke was obscuring Yosemite's scenery. Today, we could barely see the Clark Range from Glacier Point.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Aug 2, 2017 - 09:37pm PT
It was another long and trying day in the Missoula area wildfire situation. Thanks for everyone who keeps Wildland firefighters and first responders in the hearts and minds.
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Aug 2, 2017 - 11:52pm PT
Really smokey in the PNW right now. The whole area is socked in. Those BC fires are epic. Between the heat and the smoke I could go hang a salmon outside and it would be perfect.

Thanks for everyone who keeps Wildland firefighters and first responders in the hearts and minds.

Double ditto on that.

BooDawg

Social climber
Butterfly Town
Aug 4, 2017 - 11:34am PT
Yesterday a ranger told me that there were 11 fires going in Yosemite alone!
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 4, 2017 - 08:49pm PT
hey there say, booDawg... thanks for sharing the article...
say, after the rim fire, my brother matt, was pictured in an
article, too... as he surveyed his burnt-up shed, :O

and, he was back there, cleaning up...
was neat to see him there, and sharing a tiny bit of his experience,
say, thanks for sharing ...

fun to see you, but of course, NOT the fire-damage to folks...
Captain...or Skully

climber
Boise, ID
Aug 4, 2017 - 08:49pm PT
It's normal to all but us. That's something to think about.
Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Aug 5, 2017 - 02:36pm PT
Big Fire just started in Wofford Heights..Winds Whipping..Lake Isabella area. Lots of Structures, Evacuations going on! This will be one to watch........
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Aug 7, 2017 - 01:03pm PT
Firefighter Brent Witham, age 29, was killed in a "tree felling" accident on the Lolo Peak fire outside Missoula on Wednesday August 2. He was a member of the Vista Grande Hotshots based in Idyllwild, CA. This was the second firefighter killed by a falling tree on the Lolo forest in the last two weeks. Today Brent's body was flown from Missoula to his hometown. Folks curious to learn more or watch the funeral procession can check out "Wildfire Today" online. RIP Brent Witham

In other fire news, two large fires are burning in Greenland, the first fires in modern history on this continent of mostly ice and permafrost. Presumably with the warming of the planet, fires of this nature will become more commonplace.
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Aug 11, 2017 - 09:04am PT
Interesting article that talks about rejuvenation and the Rim Fire:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/06/science/let-forest-fires-burn-what-the-black-backed-woodpecker-knows.html

Let Forest Fires Burn? What the Black-Backed Woodpecker Knows
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Aug 11, 2017 - 09:12am PT
Thanks for the tr, Dingus.
looks easy from here

climber
Ben Lomond, CA
Aug 11, 2017 - 01:25pm PT
How are our Mammoth Lakes Tacoans doing? Air quality seemed a bit subpar when I was driving past on 395 on Wednesday, thanks to the Butte Fire.

neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 11, 2017 - 01:47pm PT
hey there say, dingus... oh my... say, thanks so very much for sharing all that...

whewwww... :(

good share, though, as, i'd not known how vast and bare, unless
you cared to do so...

thank you very kindly for the work at doing this...


prayers for the firefighters out there, too...
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Aug 11, 2017 - 10:35pm PT
Great photos DMT, stark .
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Aug 13, 2017 - 11:30am PT
https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/5469/
rincon

climber
Coarsegold
Aug 13, 2017 - 04:13pm PT
Fire Reported Near Wawona Inside Yosemite

http://sierranewsonline.com/fire-reported-near-wawona-inside-yosemite/
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 13, 2017 - 04:41pm PT
Just noticed the smoke cloud out the window and decided to have a closer look from the observation deck. It's a good one. And it's hot as blazes around here today.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 13, 2017 - 07:18pm PT
https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/5502/

500 acres now.

next morning edit: they managed to put back 100 acres -- acreage is now only 400.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 14, 2017 - 06:25am PT
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Aug 14, 2017 - 07:30am PT
Merced Mouse Man.. I sent you a smoke signal from Mammoth Pass last eve... Please reply...rj
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 14, 2017 - 10:00am PT
RJ...my campfire is low. It's recharging. I don't know if I got the message.

As of 9:24 a.m. today...
https://www.mymotherlode.com/news/local/320076/yosemites-south-fork-fire-up-to-400-acres.html
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Aug 14, 2017 - 10:24am PT
We had a micro version of our August singularity yesterday afternoon and the air is nice and clean today. It has been a couple weeks for some of us in W.MT. Sinus infection season will be alive and well this year...durnit!! I will be eaving work early today for a lung cleansing wellness gig on the MTB.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 14, 2017 - 10:50am PT
DMT, you contribute a lot of excellent photography!

it seems that we should have a policy of burning those chaparral lands on a regular basis----but it should happen in the winter. These areas rarely, if ever, get snow, so they are burnable.

We have to get fire back into our natural cycles. We have to.

Right now, we only seem to be approaching this by building larger and larger fire departments, which is clearly the wrong strategy. The fires incidents grow right along with the departments.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 14, 2017 - 10:59am PT
Wildland firefighters are much busier this year than in a typical year. To date, fires have burned 46 percent more acres than the 10-year average — 5,820,802 acres vs. the 3,962,906 average. In some years fire activity in Alaska, where many very large fires are not suppressed, can inflate these numbers, but so far that state can only account for 626,786 acres, not a huge number for Alaska.

400 hand crews, usually comprised of 20 people each, are deployed nationwide, along with 949 fire engines, and 120 helicopters for a total of 16,673 personnel.

And this in the year in which we have record precipitation.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Aug 14, 2017 - 12:06pm PT
Ken M... Larger fire departments equals more jobs...America needs more jobs not more fires... cheers...rj
looks easy from here

climber
Ben Lomond, CA
Aug 14, 2017 - 12:21pm PT
And this in the year in which we have record precipitation.

More precip=more growth=more fuel load=more fire potential.
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Aug 14, 2017 - 12:25pm PT
And this in the year in which we have record precipitation.

Our flashy fuels are twice their height, they grew like the dickens and then we had above normal temps for a couple weeks that created what they call a flash drought in most of the state. 1,000hr fuels may as well be 10 this year.

Yeah, thanks DMT for all the pics.

Oh, IMHO your last sentence, 2 posts up is spot on but nobody will talk about it? I'll also add that if you have Trump/Hate Gov't signs in your yard then no suppression efforts for you and your property Bucko! I see them all the time in areas that will burn, not if but when..
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 15, 2017 - 04:51pm PT
Latest update on S. Fork fire...
http://www.sierrastar.com/news/local/article167294477.html

It's "Wawona," dammit!
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 15, 2017 - 06:40pm PT
noted on plant species.

The big problem is a century of accumulation.

If we could get the vegetation down to size, it could be cut using Masticators every 10 years or so. Lot's of jobs. No smoke.

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 15, 2017 - 08:59pm PT
Part of the problem is that virtually none of us was alive when the forests were allowed to be natural, with respect to fire, so we tend to have a very false impression about what a healthy forest looks like. It's been over 100 years of fire suppression, and now the abuse comes home to roost.

Here is a pair of pictures that really shows this. This is a picture of the Bear Creek Guard Station in Stanislaus, taken 100 years apart.

Bear Creek Guard Station, Plumas National Forest, taken in 1915
(showing surrounding forest prior to fire suppression)


Bear Creek Guard Station, Plumas National Forest, bottom photograph taken 2002
(showing surrounding forest after years of fire suppression).




Most people would choose the latter picture as the healthy forest, BUT NO! That is actually the VERY overcrowded forest, and very unhealthy.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 16, 2017 - 11:16am PT
Thanks DMT. I always thought those pictures said it better than any words.

You can see in the older photo, what a fire would be----confined to low understory, and you can even see in the dominant trees that they have no low branches, in contrast to the newer photo.

John M

climber
Aug 16, 2017 - 02:10pm PT
logging began in the plumas national forest in the late 1800s. So its hard to tell by that photo if thats what a virgin unlogged forest looked like. Or if that area had been logged. It would be nice to know the history of that area.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 17, 2017 - 03:54am PT
http://www.sierrastar.com/news/local/article167514512.html

The Badger Pass to Glacier Point shuttle will not run until further notice as the main base for firefighting operations (South Fork fire) has been established at Yosemite Ski and Snowboard Area.

Glacier Point Road will remain open to the public; however, there will be periodic closures between 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. each day as the parking lot fills to capacity. Delays can be expected.

The park can still be entered from all entrances, including along Highway 41 and Highway 140. Its cause (the park's cause?) is under investigation.

This is a two-fer situation, as well, smoke-wise.

Smoky conditions can be expected from both the South Fork Fire and the Empire Fire in the park, which is burning further to the north. That fire, started by a lightning strike, is located about a mile south of Bridalveil Campground east of Alder Creek drainage, officials said. It was reported Wednesday at 1,400 acres, and is being allowed to burn naturally with no threats to structures or community areas.

kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Aug 19, 2017 - 05:28pm PT
https://www.nps.gov/yose/blogs/south-fork-fire-update-august-19-2017-evacuation-notice.htm

South Fork Fire Update - August 19, 2017 - Evacuation Notice
August 19, 2017 Posted by: Yosemite Fire Information
A Mandatory Evacuation Order has been issued for Wawona.

Last night, as a result of increased winds due to thunderstorms, several spot fires started west of the fire lines close to the community of Wawona. One spot fire is at 50 acres. Firefighters are strengthening contingency lines, however thunderstorm activity, which may again bring winds, are forecast for the next several days.

An evacuation order has been placed for the community of Wawona. Evacuation order is for all areas east of Highway 41 along Chilnualna Falls Road and Forest Drive. Residents and visitors must vacate by 4:00 pm today. The Wawona Campground remains open. The Big Trees Lodge is closed due to the fact that Yosemite Hospitality Employees that work there are being evacuated.

A Red Cross shelter is available at Tenaya Lodge in Fish Camp. A community meeting scheduled for tonight has been moved to the Tenaya Lodge at 6 pm.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 19, 2017 - 06:22pm PT
hey there, say... kunlun_shan, and all that do updates, here...

i can't, myself, get to read a lot of stuff, right now... am in the middle of
some new projects, but i SINCERELY appreciate all the updates...

love and miss calif, and love the greatoutdoor lands, all around us, and
really want to hear the updates...

prayers for the firemen, and all the folks that live in any danger zones...

thanks again...

happy good eve, to all!
wow!
i love my supertopo home, here! :)


edit:
wow, ken m... thanks for a picture share, there, and info...
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Aug 22, 2017 - 08:19am PT
http://www.theprovince.com/news/local+news/wildfires+combine+create+largest+blaze/14303305/story.html

Over 400 firefighters are working to contain the largest wildfire in British Columbia’s history.

Kevin Skrepnek of the B.C. Wildfire Service said 19 fires merged in an area west of Quesnel in the Interior, creating a single fire estimated to be 4,674 square kilometres in size.

Co-ordinating a response has been a challenge because the fire measures more than 130 kilometres from one end to the other, he said, adding 25 helicopters and 73 pieces of heavy equipment are being used.

“There’s good progress being made out there, but just given the sheer scale of this fire, it is going to be active for some time to come,” Skrepnek said.

It’s been decades since British Columbia has seen a fire anywhere near this big, Skrepnek said. The previous record was 2,250 square kilometres, set in 1958 by a fire burning in the northeastern part of the province.
rincon

climber
Coarsegold
Aug 29, 2017 - 02:20pm PT
New fire.
Highway 41 closed north of Oakhurst.

http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article170031247.html

chappy

Social climber
ventura
Aug 29, 2017 - 04:24pm PT
Been watching this one for the last couple of hours. Noticed it driving back from Merced this afternoon. At first thought it was just a thunder cloud. Then realized it was a fire. Seems pretty massive. Was worried at first that it was in Oakhurst. Hwy 41 closed. It's primed to burn up there. Nothing but fuel. Let's hope they can contain it.
doughnutnational

Gym climber
its nice here in the spring
Aug 29, 2017 - 07:46pm PT

Here is the railroad fire from Powerhouse Rd near Auberry about 5 pm. Prayers to all in the area it looks fierce. Mandatory evacuations for Sugar Pine, Fish Camp and other areas.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Aug 30, 2017 - 02:55pm PT
Hwy 395 is closed from Bridgeport to the Nevada state line due to the Slinkard fire.

http://www.dot.ca.gov/cgi-bin/roads.cgi?roadnumber=395&submit=Search
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 30, 2017 - 03:23pm PT
Not nice in the Pasayten or Okanogan thanks to the 33000 acre Diamond Crk fire...
BooDawg

Social climber
Butterfly Town
Aug 30, 2017 - 04:56pm PT
A couple of shots of the Railroad Fire from Mariposa town.


the goat

climber
north central WA
Aug 30, 2017 - 06:09pm PT
Smoke and choke this morning in the upper Methow Valley due to the Diamond Creek Fire. The last few days have seen active fire behavior on the NW flank which has now crossed into Canada. Where's CBP when you need them?!!
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Aug 30, 2017 - 06:36pm PT
I read a report that says it jumped Hwy 89 which to my mind means its burning northward and probably eastward as well.

Topaz has been evacuated.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Aug 30, 2017 - 06:54pm PT
Was in Walker yesterday when a quick moving cell moved thru producing thunder and lightening... Smoke towards Topaz appeared shortly there after along with dispatch calls...
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 31, 2017 - 01:12am PT
Great shots, Ken.
http://abc30.com/railroad-fire-prompts-evacuation-of-tenaya-lodge-and-damages-historic-trains/2359542/
hooblie

climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
Aug 31, 2017 - 06:32am PT
hwy 190 a no go. taken south of success on tues evening. pier fire
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Aug 31, 2017 - 08:04am PT
" Honey it's 115 degrees...Mind if i build a bonfire..? " Stoopid American campers..
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Aug 31, 2017 - 09:00am PT
More often than not, "illegal campfire" = homeless tweaker.
c wilmot

climber
Aug 31, 2017 - 09:07am PT
No good t hocking..

Helena has a lot of squatters- did they start the fire?
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 31, 2017 - 09:52am PT
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Sep 3, 2017 - 12:07pm PT
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 5, 2017 - 11:14am PT
The Apocalypse descends upon Missoula...


We beat feet to Bozeman...
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Sep 5, 2017 - 11:56am PT
Pier Fire, 20,000+ acres, 15% contained. This one's in the Tule River Cyn. east of Springville/Porterville.


If you're going to the Needles from the central valley you have to go south on CA65 to Ducor and up through CA Hot Springs. CA 190 is closed. A local friend up at Ponderosa tells me the road up from CA Hot Springs/down from the Western Divide Hwy has "Road Closed" signs with no enforcement at least for now. He says it's cool to drive around the signs. YMMV. He also says the air is good. The smoke must be blowing west.
Gimp

Trad climber
Missoula, MT & "Pourland", OR
Sep 5, 2017 - 12:08pm PT
I live 8 miles as the crow flies form the Lolo Peak Fire near Missoula which is now around 45,000 acres. Been a really bad last month.
frank wyman

Mountain climber
montana
Sep 5, 2017 - 12:48pm PT
DC-10's fly over my house every day, payload of 11,000 gallons a pop.I don't think they even report a fire anymore if its not 10,000 acres + really sad to see at least 30+ fires going on...
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Sep 5, 2017 - 02:27pm PT
New fire near North Fork
http://www.sierrastar.com/news/local/article171183247.html

Mouse, that fire along 395 really denuded that slope. They have fencing, and k rails alongside the road to prevent erosion.
little Z

Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
Sep 5, 2017 - 07:46pm PT
It is semi-apocalyptic in Seattle today. The sun, when visible, is an orange or pinkish ball. Ash all over the car and inside window sills. Folks walking around with dust masks or bandanas over their faces. Big fires by Cle Elum, and over White Pass east of Rainier, and even some fires on the Oregon side of the Columbia Gorge are all contributing to the mess.
kpinwalla2

Social climber
WA
Sep 6, 2017 - 06:56am PT
Columbia Gorge - looking south into Oregon, not far from Multnomah Falls.


Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Sep 6, 2017 - 08:48am PT
The Great Fire of 1910 (also commonly referred to as the Big Burn) was a wildfire that burned about three million acres in northeast Washington, northern Idaho, and western Montana in 1910.

The firestorm burned over two days, August 20–21, and killed 87 people, mostly firefighters. It is believed to be the largest, although not the deadliest, forest fire in U.S. history. The outcome was to highlight firefighters as public heroes while raising public awareness surrounding national nature conservation. The extensive burned area was approximately the size of the state of Connecticut.
from Wikipedia

At the time of the Big Burn, the U.S. Forest Service had only existed for 5 years & was not well organized for fire-fighting. Before then, forests in the Northern Rockies had burned regularly for millions of years, contributing to the dominance of “fire-species” like Lodgepole Pine, that require fire in order to flourish. Since the arrival of white settlers in the 1860’s, there had been intensive logging in the area & still more fires had been set by settlers to “clear land.”

In spite of that history of constant forest fires, the Big Burn happened & shaped a Forest Service that considered forest fires to be evil & a public who supported immediate suppression of every forest fire. That attitude continued until the 1990’s, when the Forest Service did a sudden “about-face” on the subject of fire-suppression. The 1995 National Fire plan detailed the change in wildfire policy, per this PDF, https://naldc.nal.usda.gov/download/41970/PDF

“The “Federal Wildland Fire Management Policy” addressed the role of fire as a natural disturbance and moved fire planning toward integration with resource management. Natural ignitions could be managed to achieve natural resource benefits and maintain fire dependent ecosystems.”
I agree the Forest Service went a little too-far with its policy of total suppression of every fire, from 1910 to 1995, but the new policy of letting fires burn untouched in Wilderness Areas can also be a mistake, if those fires are allowed to become big smoke producers, destroy scenic values, or become huge & cross Wilderness boundaries to threaten property outside National Forest lands.

Wilderness fires also affect the stability of fragile & steep mountainsides, which later landslide into streams & further threaten our already threatened anadromous fishes.

We likely don’t need to go back to immediate suppression of every wildfire, but let it burn policies should be re-examined in light of current damage done to our environment & health.

But ain't the sunsets great in our new "summer-smoke world?"

Clyde

Mountain climber
Boulder
Sep 6, 2017 - 10:14am PT
Both the Miramichi Fire (1825) and Peshtigo Fire (1871) were bigger and deadlier than the Big Burn. The latter gets more publicity, largely because of Bill Greely and his policies.

I'd rather see Wilderness fires burn as long as they stay in the wilderness. The ecosytems will recover eventually. Fires aren't as devastating as the media often portrays. Of course the smoke is nasty but that's a short-term inconvenience.
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Sep 6, 2017 - 10:34am PT
For those of you who know Hood River, Post Canyon is now closed

http://katu.com/news/local/hood-river-county-closes-roads-trails-coast-guard-closes-portion-of-columbia-river
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 6, 2017 - 01:00pm PT
It isn't bad in Jellystone, but I'm not taking any panos either. Hopefully Pinedale and the Wind Rivers will be better.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Sep 6, 2017 - 05:28pm PT
Clyde! Re your comment on my post.

Both the Miramichi Fire (1825) and Peshtigo Fire (1871) were bigger and deadlier than the Big Burn. The latter gets more publicity, largely because of Bill Greely and his policies.

I probably should confess that my college degree was in Forest Resource Management & my main college girlfriend was a grand-daughter of William Greeley, who was the Forest Ranger in charge of fire-fighting The Big Burn.

That makes my errors on The Big Burn history all the worse. Although I remember a lot of facts about the 1910 Big Burn that triggered the Forest Service No Burn policy, I visited Wikipedia to supplement my memory this morning. I regret to inform fellow Wikipedia fans that Wiki neglected mentioning the Big Burn combined hundereds of small fires, some of which had been burning for weeks, when a "wind event" hit the area. The wind & the ensuing fatalities were over in two days, but the fires lasted all summer.

Also Wikipedia called the Big Burn the largest forest fire in U.S. history & when I read that, I thought "no it wasn't" --- then I used their quote anyway.

My apologies!
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Sep 6, 2017 - 05:51pm PT
http://ktla.com/2017/09/06/11500-acre-railroad-fire-continues-to-threaten-giant-sequoias-near-yosemite/

Right off the bat the reporter said Highway 49, meaning 41. Calm down, sir, please.

Wawona is more or less at the center of a trio of fires: Railroad, South Fork, and Empire.

And then just down the road is the Mission fire near North Fork.

It's been so smokey here, I haven't been out all day.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 6, 2017 - 06:09pm PT
hey there, say, ... thank you all for the updates... and photos...

and the links, to learn stuff from...


have been hearing all the reports of 'ash and smoke' throughout
wash, and oreg... from some friends, :(

recently heard about the oregon fire, but i had learned about
montana, ... very bad... :(

edit:
say, mouse, thanks for the location pin-pointer, explanation,
that helped me, as, i was not sure how they all related as
in placement... thanks!
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Sep 7, 2017 - 04:55pm PT
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Sep 7, 2017 - 08:12pm PT
I agree the Forest Service went a little too-far with its policy of total suppression of every fire, from 1910 to 1995, but the new policy of letting fires burn untouched in Wilderness Areas can also be a mistake, if those fires are allowed to become big smoke producers, destroy scenic values, or become huge & cross Wilderness boundaries to threaten property outside National Forest lands.

Wilderness fires also affect the stability of fragile & steep mountainsides, which later landslide into streams & further threaten our already threatened anadromous fishes.

Two things worth mentioning: Your statement about a policy of letting wildfires in wilderness burn is not quite right.

The policy, at least as carried out, is for their to be consultation between wilderness managers and fire managers, over the very issues that you mention. If there is doubt, it is put out.

The other thing is that you speak of fire as though it is a yes/no issue: it is not. It is a "when" issue. The only issue within our power is when a particular stand burns, under what circumstances.

If small fires were ignited continuously, there would be much less effect than a conflagration, out of control, under the worst of conditions that we don't get to choose.

Those mountainsides are going to burn. The question is whether we do it when we can maximize mitigation. The concept of preventing mountains from sloughing rock and dirt as they naturally do, is some sort of bizarre fantasy. Like walking into the ocean at low tide, and hoping to keep the water from coming back.

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 7, 2017 - 08:12pm PT
It got worse in Jellystone today so we headed south.
Rumour has it there is a well known mountain in thus pic...
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Sep 7, 2017 - 09:19pm PT
Ken! Re your comment on my post:
Your statement about a policy of letting wildfires in wilderness burn is not quite right.

The policy, at least as carried out, is for their to be consultation between wilderness managers and fire managers, over the very issues that you mention. If there is doubt, it is put out.

That may be the way the policy was intended to work, but in Idaho, Wilderness Fires get to burn untouched, unless they are destroying historic places, private infrastructure, or areas of really, really great scenic values.

In the last 17 years, almost the entire Wild & Scenic River Corridor of the Middle Fork Salmon River & the Main Salmon River canyons have burned in a series of huge fires that the Forest Service has done nothing to put out or control. However, fires at the edge of the highly visible Sawtooth National Recreational Area & adjacent to highways & Sun Valley have been quickly put out.

Currently, the largest fire in Idaho is the 70,938 acre Highland Fire burning entirely within the Frank Church River of No Return Wilderness area. Here's what the Payette National Forest PR person had to say about complaints about smoke from it impacting adjacent towns today.

U.S. Forest Service - Payette National Forest The Highline Fire is a natural ignition burning in fire dependent forest in Wilderness. It's being managed for point protection of the few values at risk. Otherwise it's doing what fire does in a fire dependent ecosystem so that the forest can regenerate itself. The fire is staffed appropriately for this management strategy, which increases the availability of firefighting resources for other fires where life and property are threatened. The smoke in our area is coming from fires in Oregon and Washington as the prevailing winds blow west to east. https://www.facebook.com/payettenationalforest/

To sum up my thoughts, you are out of touch with Northern Rockies Forest Service fire management policies.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 7, 2017 - 09:22pm PT
hey there say, Reilly... man oh man, :O
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 7, 2017 - 09:24pm PT
hey there say, fritz... wow, thank you for sharing...

lots of stuff here, i'd never know, or, understood before,
how it worked...

thanks, everyone...


say, DMT... thanks for the link, as to the animals...
ionlyski

Trad climber
Polebridge, Montana
Sep 7, 2017 - 09:31pm PT
Fire suppression is the number one problem that has gotten us into the situation we face. That and folks like me who have sizable investments in their forest home estates in the wild lands. Wild lands are meant to burn. And before we interfered in the 20th century they regularly burned and cleaned out under story growth leaving behind larger, fire resistant Ponderosa Pine and Western Larch.

Logging will never replicate what natural fires did for forest "management". We the people are the problem. we're not really meant to live out in the woods. For the nomadic people this was never a problem or even for the homesteaders with a modest cabin or two. These fires need to burn and they're gonna burn that's a fact. Not due to a lack of logging and not due to climate change or global warming. The forests always burned. That's part of what constitutes a forest.

Fire is NOT a four lettered word. It's necessary; not something that is "bad".

Right now I have 10 fires surrounding my beautiful home and yes, I'm worried I might lose it all. But I really cringe at all the finger pointing that is sure to come.

Arne

Edit-Not likely any of these fires now will reach my place but not out of the question either. New lighting strikes close by would be "bad" for me, good for some of the forest.
c wilmot

climber
Sep 9, 2017 - 04:33pm PT
“If the same weather persists for weeks on end in one region, then sunny days can turn into a serious heat wave and drought, and lasting rains can lead to flooding.” — Dr. Stefan Rahmstorf.

That's an informative link malamute. who knew lasting rains can lead to flooding?

Tfpu
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Sep 9, 2017 - 04:38pm PT
A couple of days old.

http://komonews.com/news/nation-world/2017-wildfire-season-far-worse-than-expected-across-western-us

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 9, 2017 - 07:20pm PT
Yesterday sucked.
Got E and S winds today in the Winds. Not too shabby!

Climberdude

Trad climber
Clovis, CA
Sep 16, 2017 - 06:49pm PT
Another fire very near a climbing area started today. I was climbing on the right side of Bald Mountain above Shaver Lake. I heard a helicopter passing by and looked up to see that it was a CDF helicopter. It kept going by but then did an abrupt turn near me. Then I looked to where it was and saw smoke less than half a mile from me. I hightailed it out of there, including going unroped up the slab with my rope just dragging behind. When I got to a place on the upper slab where I could pack away my rope and change into my approach shoes, helicopters were dropping water from buckets onto the fire. I gave the helicopter pilot a thumbs up as he passed close to me.

This fire may affect some of the climbs on the ridge to the southwest of Bald Mountain. Please be careful out there with anything that is a fire or could produce a fire.
Climberdude

Trad climber
Clovis, CA
Sep 17, 2017 - 05:30pm PT
Today I drove along Dinkey Creek Road below where the fire was yesterday. I could not see any smoke, so it looks like the USFS firefighters have it under control. I did see three USFS Hotshot vehicles plus a fire supervisor vehicle at the Bald Mountain Trailhead. I left a note on the fire supervisor's vehicle thanking him and his crew for keeping the forest and climbing areas safe.
Climberdude

Trad climber
Clovis, CA
Sep 18, 2017 - 07:02pm PT
So far this fire I saw has not been reported on the USFS fire incident website. I wonder how many fires are not not reported to that site. The three hotshot vehicles and fire supervisor truck were still parked at the Bald Mountain Trailhead when I drove out yesterday.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 18, 2017 - 09:36pm PT
hey there say, ... thanks for the updates...
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Sep 19, 2017 - 09:53am PT
Had the opportunity to break bread with a group this past weekend that included a recently retired Cal Fire Battalion Chief and some current USFS guys.

The subject of fires naturally came up as the wine flowed with two distinct viewpoints made by these people.

It boiled down to Suppresion versus Management.

Cal Fires position was one of suppresion...fight the fire and put out the fire to save persons, property and resources.

USFS took the argument for allowing open tracts to burn so that afterwards they could open these burned areas to logging and resource acquisition. You can see this process underway along Minarets Road post French Fire.

Putting out the fire was not their primary focus as it was for Cal Fire.What was of import was revenue from limited logging and opening of mining claims. It was pretty much looked at as a legal sidestep to environmental controls.

As the night progressed, it became quite heated between the two groups on which approach was best. As a remote cabin owner...I leaned to the Cal Fire side for purely selfish reasons.

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 19, 2017 - 10:14am PT
Ricky, I think the 800 pound gorilla in the USFS 'thinking' is a sub-conscious propensity to let it burn so they can sit in their offices without being bothered by those pesky forests. About 5 years ago the Angeles NF built a $14 million Taj Mahal HQ near me. In 25 years I can honestly say I've never seen a ranger on the ground in the Angeles NF.
Batrock

Trad climber
Burbank
Oct 9, 2017 - 08:18am PT
How many years had the Cal Fire BC been retired. A big reason we are seeing these huge fires is the old tactic of jump on it and put it out ASAP. This as you know has led to unnatural growth in our forests. I just retired this year after 30 years in the fire service in Los Angeles and our tactics changed from putting out fires ASAP to let it burn as much as possible unless it endangers life or property. I thought that was Cal Fires latest approach also.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Oct 9, 2017 - 09:41am PT
The two largest fires were the Atlas Peak fire near the city of Napa, which was burning more than 10,000 acres as of 6:45 a.m., and the Tubbs fire, spreading from Calistoga to Santa Rosa in Sonoma County, according to Napa County spokeswoman Kristi Jourdan. That fire was at 20,000 acres, according to the Santa Rosa Fire Department.

Cal Fire is keeping track of three other fires in Napa, Sonoma and Lake counties, said spokesman Will Powers. The Adobe fire in Sonoma County is affecting Glen Ellen and Kenwood, the Patrick fire is hitting Napa, and the Sulfur Fire in Lake County is threatening Clearlake, he said.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-napa-fires-20171009-story.html
John M

climber
Oct 9, 2017 - 10:26am PT
A lot of homes burned last night. The Hilton in Santa Rosa burned. The Santa Rosa fire went from 200 acres to 20,000 acres in one night. I'm sure thats a preliminary number and might go up or down, but thats still a lot of fire. 70mph gusts. We had 55 mph gusts here in Bullhead City. Crazy night.

I can't wrap my head around losing ones home overnight in a matter of hours..


http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/10/09/raging-wine-country-wildfires-burn-homes-force-evacuations/
john hansen

climber
Oct 9, 2017 - 11:35am PT
Pretty grim, if you go to about 25 minute mark it shows whole neighborhoods gone north of Hopper Ave


https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=santa+rosa+fire+video&view=detail&mid=D794DC1381EAE67665E6D794DC1381EAE67665E6&FORM=VIRE
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Oct 9, 2017 - 02:09pm PT
Not that it is important, but I can't find out what caused the fires. Was it downed powerlines(from the wind)?
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Oct 9, 2017 - 02:20pm PT
hey there say, all... THANK you for the updates...

i had just heard of some of this, from my sister, when she took my
boys to the airport, at about 4 in the morning, :O


note, to 10b4me:
yes, i would wonder, too, if it was downed power lines???


prayers for all concerned... :(
Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
Oct 9, 2017 - 05:00pm PT
I hear now that Orange and Riverside County in So Cal have several fires and evacuations........
john hansen

climber
Oct 9, 2017 - 05:54pm PT

Before and after..

http://www.businessinsider.com/santa-rosa-fire-coffey-park-neighborhood-2017-10
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Oct 9, 2017 - 06:28pm PT
I hear now that Orange and Riverside County in So Cal have several fires and evacuations........

In the OC, Anaheim Hills is on fire.

Anyway, I still would not be surprised to hear of arson in a couple of instances however the major fires are quite a distance apart.

I stand by what I've heard, and read. Ninety-five percent of all fires are started(purposely, or accidentally) by humans.
paganmonkeyboy

climber
mars...it's near nevada...
Oct 9, 2017 - 07:22pm PT
:-( damn I wish I was a superhero...this is f*#king crazy...you people BE SAFE...
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 9, 2017 - 10:23pm PT
On top of all the fires this is today's earthquake map!


It's been really quiet lately so this is one strange coincidence.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Oct 10, 2017 - 05:16pm PT
hey there say, reilly... oh my... :O
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Oct 10, 2017 - 09:10pm PT
Fritz wrote:


To sum up my thoughts, you are out of touch with Northern Rockies Forest Service fire management policies.

Well, inasmuch as each forest unit is managed on it's own, that would not surprise me.

However, you are speaking of the OUTCOME, I am speaking of the PROCESS. My experience with 5 Wilderness Managers on the Sierra NF, is that each of them carries a different bias into the decision making. And at least on this forest, there IS a decision-making process that is followed, not a rote policy that is automatically enacted, except when buildings/people/heritage is threatened.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Oct 10, 2017 - 10:29pm PT
Ken M is slowly, responding to my comments on wilderness fire fighting policies in the Northern Rockies, back on Sept. 7th.

Re the current fires in California, those affected have my best hopes & sympathies, & I have nothing but respect for the brave people fighting those fires.

Best wishes for all involved in this disaster.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Oct 11, 2017 - 11:44am PT
I'm not going out there to check on this as it's a day to sit inside and read a book.

It doesn't smell like smoke, just dank air.

https://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/goddard/2017/wildfires-in-california-not-slowing-down
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Oct 11, 2017 - 12:17pm PT
Not that it is important, but I can't find out what caused the fires. Was it downed powerlines(from the wind)?

from http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Thousands-more-evacuated-as-Wine-Country-blazes-12269691.php

........The cause of the fires have not been determined, but there were reports that strong winds had knocked down numerous power lines between 9:20 p.m. and 10 p.m. on Sunday night, about the time the fires broke out in Napa and Sonoma counties.

“We are investigating a number of potential causes, including whether reports of power lines falling down and electrical transformers exploding Sunday night may have caused some of the wildfires in the region,” said Janet Upton, deputy director of the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection, also known as Cal Fire..........
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Oct 12, 2017 - 08:05am PT
Day four.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41592594
splitclimber

climber
Sonoma County
Oct 12, 2017 - 10:43am PT
I'm in Santa Rosa in the rincon valley area. Our neighborhood is ok. Another sketchy night last night but the winds didn't materalize and a backburn in the Annadel / brush creek area worked well yesterday. Several friends have lost homes.

Napa fires seem out of control still.
splitclimber

climber
Sonoma County
Oct 12, 2017 - 11:11am PT
Thanks dingus.

Just heard from Harrison. He is ok.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
Wilds of New Mexico
Oct 13, 2017 - 08:25am PT
I'm surprised that relatively flat suburban neighborhoods could be completely destroyed. Presumably it was high winds that drove fire and embers from house to house. I wonder if communities will begin to develop some sort of defensive technology. Industrial / municipal scale sprinkler systems? Slurry pipelines with nozzles along the urban / wildland interface? Clearly traditional firefighting tactics are not going to cut it in these sort of extreme circumstances.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Oct 13, 2017 - 08:52am PT
Tragic.... My heart goes out to all of my fellow Northern California citizens.

How could this happen in neighborhoods?

We just had a huge fire down here, but it was contained in the hills and at no time was it threatening to burn into Burbank or Glendale.

Downed power lines?????

Maybe

That is a common cause of these sorts of fires.

So the "power company's" get to operate on the cheap regarding line maintenance, strength of the polls, condition of the relay stations etc.... and everyone else covers the cost of lost homes, the cost of fighting fires etc.

Something is out of wack.

I pray for rain and calm conditions.
Footie

Trad climber
Sonoma, CA
Oct 13, 2017 - 04:01pm PT
Been running on adrenaline since we got the call to evacuate in the Sonoma/Napa hills Sunday night. Finally slept a full night last night and got time to check in with the internet world today. Glad to hear about some of my RIM Club friends, I'll bet there are others who are suffering big time. Heres my report from this sector of this regional tragedy. So far we're among the lucky ones, only 5 houses gone in the Lovall/Woods Valley area. So sorry for those not so fortunate!

As of 6:00 last night (Thursday) all of my family's houses were still standing, but sheds, trailers, etc, not so much. Still stuff to burn on the NW slopes and the hot spot yesterday was in the canyon under those slopes (behind Bartholemu/Buena Vista Wineries.) However, the winds are light and they've assigned at least one engine/crew and one helicopter to patrol and protect. After the privilege of getting to work with those guys on Tuesday and Wednesday, I have every confidence our houses will be saved. The NE sector of town is evacuated as a precautionary measure given weather reports, resource constraints, and what happened in Santa Rosa.
BTW, for those monitoring our area by internet & media, the Norbom fire joined the Partrick fire on our property Wednesday night. It was a horror show I hope I never have to see again! And how those Schell Vista and Calfire guys stayed there and did their business after they told me to go is beyond my comprehension! We are downtown at my sister's other house now and probably stuck here until Sunday or sometime next week.
I gotta share that on Tuesday I got to hike with the Calfire unit chief the old Padres Trail over to upper Partrick Road in Napa County. Its an old indian trail the mission padres and Bear Flag Revolt guys used that my grandfather turned into a jeep road in the 40's (now overgrown.) They tried to build a fire break on it to keep the Partrick fire from coming over the ridge or any further around the Southern Mayacamas Range, but the dozers got here too late. They started, got about half way up to the county line, and the Partrick fire jumped the new fire break behind them, so they pulled the dozers down to work all night building fire breaks around our houses and closer to town.
If that dry wind comes back out of the North again anywhere near as strong as Sunday night...
This is also a chance to tell climbing partners I have not yet communicated with already, my climbing season is likely over. Gonna have major clean up & erosion control work to do before the rains come. See you on the slopes!
John M

climber
Oct 13, 2017 - 04:19pm PT
I am hoping the best for you and your family Footie.. Hopefully the winds will stay calm.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Oct 13, 2017 - 05:43pm PT
hey there say, all... just saw all this update, :(


you are in my hearts, thoughts and prayers... :(

i love calif, the land of my childhood and young adult...
this is so sad...


say, what are the NEWER updates, now, please??
i do not have tv...


also,this is of interest, footie:
as to your quote:
If that dry wind comes back out of the North again anywhere near as strong as Sunday night...

MY BROTHER WALTER, AND MY BROTHER PHIL,
went out sailing on the SUNDAY afternoon...

and-- my mom said walt told her that THEY COULD NOT SAIL-- :O

you see, THERE WAS AN ODD WIND... and he'd never seen it like that before! just could not get out to sail..
(they were off the calif coast-- think they were in santa cruz?) of coast of course...

thus, when he heard of the winds, affecting the fire, he SURE understood...
and was NOT surprise, as, he'd been in the 'PREVIEW' wind... :O

:O
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Oct 13, 2017 - 06:09pm PT
http://google.org/crisismap/google.com/2017-tubbs-fire

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-fires-20171013-story.html

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/13/us/california-fires-updates/index.html
splitclimber

climber
Sonoma County
Oct 14, 2017 - 11:43am PT
Footie. I hope you are safe during this latest round.

We evacuated early this morning. Now back home. First responders were cautious and rightly so to bullhorn evac our neighborhood but Official evac notices did not materialize for our neighborhood.
Batrock

Trad climber
Burbank
Oct 14, 2017 - 11:54am PT
Guyman,
You ask how such distraction could happen? Pretty easy with high winds. Remember several years ago the San Bernadino fire that burned down into neighborhoods? We dodged a bullet recently with the LaTuna Fire. Had that same fire occurred during a Santa Anna wind event we would have lost hundreds of homes. It is impossible to stop a wind driven fire. We always joked about big fires in the Santa Monica mountains claiming we will stop it at the great Pacific Fire Break. Those fires that started on the 101 fwy during a Santa Anna marched straight to the ocean unless the wind died down. Interestingly most deaths and injuries to firefighters occur when the wind dies down and it becomes a topography fire. It's easy to predict a wind driven fire, and you stay out of it's path. Once the wind stops and you start dealing with diurnal winds and preheated slopes and things start going into alignment you really need to stay on yer toes. Pray for rain.
norm larson

climber
wilson, wyoming
Oct 14, 2017 - 01:38pm PT
Footie, hope things continue to work out your way. Good luck. Norm
zBrown

Ice climber
Oct 14, 2017 - 02:08pm PT
Remember the fire Captain from Glendale (Orr) who set all those arson fires, I do.

The stat. I recall is that 95% of fires are human caused either accidental or arson. I don't recall a breakdown by category.

The solution is obvious, no? Get rid of people.
No stats on non-domestic terrorist arsons

The fire mentioned above that swept down the coast nearly into Pacific Palisades was I believe an arson fire.

I'm beginning to question that 95% number

Santa Monica mountainss (1982-2012) reporting says 110 out of 274 in the other/unknown origin category

The great majority of fires that are identified as started by "other or unknown causes" occur along roads
Batrock

Trad climber
Burbank
Oct 14, 2017 - 03:13pm PT
Most are human caused but not all of those are arson. During high wind events downs and arcing powerlines cause quite a few.
The Glendale guy was John Orr, he was a arson investigator and ultimately was caught by Los Angeles City Fire Dept. Aron investigators. There would always be suspicious fires in areas he was attending conferences and he always seemed to be able to find the cause. His MO was a smoldering cigarette ruberbanded to a pack of matches, once the cigarette burnt down it would light the matchbook.
zBrown

Ice climber
Oct 14, 2017 - 03:48pm PT

Kanan, Topanga and Old Topanga all arson

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 14, 2017 - 05:24pm PT
Arsonists should be burnt at the stake.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Oct 14, 2017 - 10:50pm PT
hey there say, ... if you need live update...

[Click to View YouTube Video]


TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Oct 14, 2017 - 11:28pm PT
we got called out early this morning to fight a barn fire in freezing weather

about six engines showed up from four local volunteer fire depts

not much fun to be soaking wet in freezing weather with toxic smoke

we stopped the fire before it destroyed the building, but the interior walls and contents were mostly trashed

Footie

Trad climber
Sonoma, CA
Oct 15, 2017 - 09:09am PT
Alright, here is my update on the NE Sonoma sector (Lovall & Woods Valleys.) We're OK, our houses are still standing, and the red flag weather warnings are over. You can stop reading here or read my further indulgence. Up to you. I share this as copied from emails to my friends/family, my personal experience in case its interesting or helpful. I will be working up a list or outline of how to be better prepared for this kind of thing if you live in the urban-wildland interface. I will share it here when I'm done. I thought we were prepared (been clearing brush, etc for 30 years) but I found we missed a lot of critical details. The following picks up from my earlier post last Thursday.

There was fire burning here and there all around our houses on Thursday but the winds were down, humidity up and we had more resources coming in from all over the State. As predicted, winds came up (and I woke up) around midnight, sirens and trucks running up and down Napa Street in front of my sister's downtown house. At two-thirty the sky over the canyon behind Bartholomew & BV was red, so Barb and I mobilized and evacuated that house in our van to be ahead of the crowd in case the evacuation expanded. I just wanted a quieter place to sleep.

We found a quiet spot, a view of the fire, and my Brother in Law only a block away behind the Community Center. He's a retired Calfire guy who couldn't sleep and by coincidence the only other guy there. Barb stayed up with him listening to more apparent chaos on his scanner while I went back to fitful sleep.

In the morning they told me another house was lost on Castle Road and several more on Lovall Valley Road, one on the flats and several up the hill, but not ours. Later we drove out to a spot where we could see. Fires were burning and helicopters were dropping water all over the area from Lower Lovall Valley/Thornsberry Road into the Canyon at Bartholomew, our place above, Wood Valley, Norbom Road, Mission Highlands,...At about 2:00 pm the winds shifted from a northerly to a southerly then calmed down. Visuals from the Valley suggested our houses were still there. Then my Brother in Law, who's on the SV Fire Board, was asked to make a delivery to crews near our property. He got to drive through and confirmed, its a mess, but the houses are still there.

BTW, my climbing, skiing and camping gear was in the second evacuation load last Monday. Lucky we got back up there after that first evacuation Sunday night because all we had then was the clothes we were wearing. As you know, there are thousands of people in Napa, Sonoma, and Mendo Counties who only got that first evacuation and many won't have a home to go home to!
splitclimber

climber
Sonoma County
Oct 15, 2017 - 09:45am PT
Thx for the update footie. I was worried about you and your family yesterday.
Let me know when you start doing land rehab and erosion control work. I'd love to help out.

Much better day today. Cal fire will be aggressively attacking these active areas in Sonoma and oakmont today.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Oct 15, 2017 - 10:03pm PT
https://www.facebook.com/NBCBayArea/videos/10154817765506990/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqH49-DuH-U

https://youtu.be/H_YgQB8Rsww


WHAT WAS TRULY SEEN IN THE SKY, A FIREBALL OR SOMETHING ELSE? SONOMA & NAPA COUNTY FIRES - AMS received 16 reports of a FIREBALL (with fragments) coming from the Pacific ocean, west of San Francisco Bay, heading N.NW over the areas on fire on Oct 5, 2017 at 6:24am PDT. Seen as far south as Lost Hills, CA to the far north in Albany, OR. It looked like a fireball, but was it?

American Meteor Society
https://www.amsmeteors.org/members/imo_view/event/2017/3576

ID … Event 3576-2017
Number of Reports … 16 UT
Date & Time … 2017-10-05 13:24 UT
Local Date & Time … 2017-10-05 06:24 PDT
Countries … US
States... OR, CA
Sound … 12 no
Fragments … 4 yes / 7 no
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 17, 2017 - 08:57am PT
I wish somebody would tell me before these guys start strafing the crib!


First time I've seen them using this POS DC-9!


Amazing how fast they jump on it when a bunch of TV antennae are endangered!
To wit, Mt Wilson Fire. Now, how does a fire start itself waaay up there right by a road?
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Oct 23, 2017 - 12:32am PT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4fO8YV0YsI
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Oct 26, 2017 - 03:43pm PT
only useful to those who actually read beyond the first pages of a report

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/10/25/suppressedclassified-americas-secret-thermobaric-nukes/
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Oct 27, 2017 - 08:34pm PT
http://www.ksbw.com/article/bear-fire-another-wildfire-sparked-by-boulder-creek-resident/13080255


BOULDER CREEK, Calif. —

The Bear Fire in the Santa Cruz mountains was 100 percent contained Thursday.

Nearly 400 acres of dense forests burned after the wildfire sparked at a Boulder Creek home on Oct. 16. At least two homes were destroyed, and seven firefighters were injured.

One of the homeowners who's house was burned to the ground said her cat is still missing.

Previous story below:

Bear Fire: Another wildfire sparked by Boulder Creek resident

A new wildfire in the Boulder Creek Bear Fire zone sparked below the Las Cumbres community because a resident dumped hot ashes from their fireplace, Cal Fire said.

The quickly-doused fire was caused by a Mountain Lion Road resident who improperly dumped hot ashes outdoors Sunday night.

A 911 caller alerted CalFire about the 4-foot by 4-foot wildfire at 9:25 p.m. A fire engine was unable to access the extremely remote, rugged area at the bottom of Mountain Lion Road, so firefighters pumped water from a nearby creek. It was contained by midnight.

The Las Cumbres community had been previously evacuated because of the Bear Fire, but all mandatory evacuation orders were lifted over the past few days.

Cal Fire spokeswoman Angela Bernheisel described Sunday's incident as a
"careless" decision by the resident, and a "wakeup call" for everyone.

"It rained, and people think it's OK to dump out hot ashes. That's not something you should be doing," Bernheisel said.

"Our message is be vigilant, be careful, and realize that everything is just so dry out there," Bernheisel said.

At the height of the Bear Fire, nearly 1,000 firefighters were working the blaze and seven were injured.

It was immediately clear that the main Bear Fire was sparked on the property of 820 Bear Creek Canyon Road. Cal Fire said flames spread from a house into surrounding dry vegetation on the night of Oct. 16.

But what caused the house fire? Investigators are zeroing-in on the cause, and they have not ruled out the possibility of arson.

Four structures have been destroyed, including one at 820 Bear Creek Canyon Road.


The 60-acre property is a former vehicle "chop shop" that was raided in 2015.

Several vehicles and heavy equipment --including a bulldozer -- were destroyed by the Bear Fire last week, but it's unclear if the "chop shop" was still being operated.

Deputies are focused on one vehicle that burned, and they hauled it away as evidence.
The property is owned by Linda Sochaki and her nephew, Jeremy Lincoln.

Sochaki lives outside Santa Cruz County, and said she has not set foot on her property in two years.

"You're going to have to talk to my nephew about that. I have never been up there in a couple of years, so, I don't have any information," she told

Investigators with Cal Fire and the Sheriff's Office continue to gather evidence in what may become an arson case.

"We're not quite ready to announce anything yet. There are some great leads we're following up on. I do think we'll resolve this thing in the next few days," Sheriff Jim Hart said Friday.

The county received a complain about the property earlier this year, however, "It's really up to the property owner to clean it up" county spokesman Jason Hoppin said.

Tough terrain and drought-stricken trees made battling the Bear Fire challenging.


Six people have been arrested since the Bear Fire began.

A looter stole thousands of dollars worth of jewelry from an evacuated home on Hidden Springs Road. Marlon Coy, 54, of Boulder Creek, was in possession of the stolen property when deputies found him in Santa Cruz, Sgt. Chris Clark said.

"Quite frankly it’s disgusting to think that someone would continue to victimize people whom have been displaced from their houses,” Clark told SF GATE.

Five more people were arrested because of a tense situation at a marijuana grow in the Bear Fire zone. They were identified as Jason Dixon, Nicole Papineau, Bernard Haagenson, Michael Carter, and Drake Geithner.

Deputies said Haagenson, Carter and Geithner confronted two people, Dixon and Papineau, when the duo arrived in a vehicle at the marijuana grow on the 100 block of Hartman Creek Road.

Papineau, 24, and Dixon, 52, said they were searching for a lost dog, but the marijuana growers did not believe them, and suspected that they were thieves.

"Haagenson pointed (a) shotgun at Dixon and Papineau. During the confrontation Haagenson was suspected of shooting both front tires of Dixon and Papineau’s vehicle, the front bumper and the hood of the vehicle which caused the shotgun blast to skip off the hood onto the windshield in front of Papineau," deputies said.

Carter threatened the duo with a baseball bat, deputies said.

Dixon and Papineau fled the area on foot and found a CalFire crews. Deputies were summoned, and after questioning, all five people were arrested.

Haagenson, 55, was arrested for assault with a firearm, conspiracy, and brandishing a firearm; Carter, 52, was arrested for assault with a deadly weapon, conspiracy, and brandishing; Geithner, 28, was arrested for assault with a deadly weapon and conspiracy; and Dixon and Papineau were arrested for entering a closed disaster area.

Deputies never found the operator of two drones who caused Cal Fire to ground its air attack for an hour during a critical time fighting the wildfire. If identified, the drone operator could face felony criminal charges.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Nov 10, 2017 - 09:40pm PT
Santa Rosa fires caused by directed energy weapons?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=iTFNhvNYtnA
Footie

Trad climber
Sonoma, CA
Nov 15, 2017 - 11:10am PT
OK, I have finally had time to finish the wild land fire preparation lists that I started when we were evacuated from the Sonoma/Napa fires back in October. I promised then to share them here for those who may find it useful. It's mainly applicable to our property, but I've added language that may be helpful to others with homes in fire prone wild land areas. Again, the reason I have done this is that, although I've been expecting this fire for 50 years, I can't believe how unprepared I was when it actually hit in the middle of the night. Another important point is that it did not actually hit that first night, it came to our house a couple of nights later and then stuck around for a week. Although I managed to find ways to get back in, most people were under mandatory evacuation for two weeks which makes these lists even more important.

Urban/Wildland Interface Fire Preparation Lists

Based on Field Lovall Valley Sonoma property & 10/17 experience

I. Emergency evacuation kit and checklist

A. Have a kit with overnight or a week’s basics by the door. (Basically think through what you'd need to live in your car or as a guest for a day, a week or more. Think through the possibility that your area’s stores may get closed or run out of stuff and the roads in & out of your community may get closed)
1. charged headlamp, glasses, running shoes, spare keys, all immediately accessible (hopefully you already keep your keys, cell phone, wallet/purse accessible)
2. extra meds & health essentials
3. bath & toiletries (including packaged wet-wipes)
4. changes of underwear
5. change of clothes (you might be leaving in your pajamas or bath robe)
6. a jacket or something warm (you might be sleeping in it)
7. the checklist (below)

B. The checklist (In case you have a few minutes to grab more stuff before you flee. Print a copy in large print, put it with your evacuation kit. Kids, pets and/or farm animals are not included here because we don’t have any, but you may want to add stuff to this list)
1. Cell phone,
2. wallet / purse,
3. glasses
4. headlamp / flashlight
4. lap top / computer’s back-up remote drive
6. essential papers (pre packaged- see below)
7. close all doors & windows (unlocked for firefighter’s access)
8. shut off propane tank(s) and move propane BBQ away from house
9. shut off, lights, air conditioning, and water faucets (not main!)
10. chain saw, sharp, gassed & oiled (because we live up a heavily wooded road)
11. gun and ammo (I’m not a gun nut, but won’t leave ammo in burning house)


II. Prepare your house & property (this is divided into Short and Long Term and it is focused on our property. Basically you should walk zig-zag across your property and imagine you are fire and adjust these lists accordingly. You may need to also have discussions with your neighbors as what happens on their property can directly affect yours. If they’re not cooperative, show them pictures from the Santa Rosa/Sonoma fires!)

A. Short Term (each summer)
1. Safely mow, pull, or weed eat all weeds, trim trees, shrubs, ivy, leaves, etc. away from house AND outdoor structures, wood piles, RV’s and equipment, even telephone poles & fence posts (down to bare earth in some places based on item’s flammability. I was amazed by what caught fire just from dry leaves.)
2. Trim and rake flammable material away from propane tank, plastic stand pipes or other exposed plastic pipe that is part of your water delivery system
3. Clean leaves from roof & gutters
4. Move all gas, oil, and other flammable stuff a safe distance away from house to a shed or cabinet thats expendable and out of the way. (This can include gas powered equipment.)
5. Have hoses ready to wet down flammables in case you have time or for firefighters to use
6. Think about where you would move flammable or valuable garden furniture, equipment, etc. in case you have time when fire is approaching (in the garage? house? pool?)—all this stuff burned in our fire
7. If you have more than one vehicle, know which one(s) you are going to take
8. Know what you are or are not going to do with or for your neighbors and/discuss/rehearse with them (share these lists with them?)
9. Know your evacuation routes and practice using them
10. Have a second trip back-up list in case you get to return for items of secondary importance (mine includes art work, my ski & climbing gear which I keep organized and ready to go, picture albums, other transportable family keep sakes, etc.—if they let you back after initial evacuation, it may be for limited time)
11. Have a secondary fire prep list for things to do if you have time. It can include items listed above if you didn’t get them done prior, but also remove flammable window coverings, flammable objects from window sills, flammable furniture away from windows, close metal shades, have ladders safely placed up to your roof, …
12. Any brief special information for firefighters who will likely come into your house when you’re gone. I also tacked up signs outside for location of water tank, generator, etc. which the firefighters later thanked me for.

B. Long Term
1. Essential papers ready to carry out with you or in a fireproof safe (your freezer may actually work) or bank safe deposit box (deeds, passports, birth certificates, video and/or pictures of house & all valuable possessions, electronic copies of all receipts, important banking & legal doc.s, Retirement Plan or Social Security doc.s, Wills, Trusts, Durable Power of Attorney, etc.)
2. Landscaping is wonderful, but you may want to rethink it from a fire proof perspective. Some green stuff burns (ivy, oleanders, etc.). Get it away from the house, propane tank, and other valuable stuff. Clear under brush, at least 100 feet away. It took 40 years, but we’ve done our entire 10 acres and it has now paid off. Our forest is saved. We have not removed all trees within the 100 foot defensible space, but we have thinned our forest, cut limbs that were within a few feet of the house (insurance wants 10 feet), and removed dead wood. Important note on dead wood: this was an Achille’s heal in the Oct ’17 fire, there is dead wood in the roots, stumps & trunks of otherwise mature green trees in our forest. These dead parts caught fire from leaves and grasses then soldered for days after the fire came through. This weakened the trees and many fell or will fall soon. How to protect from this? Perhaps apply a fire retardant each year beforehand?
3. House vents & openings. There are special vents recommended by fire agencies and required by some insurance companies, but this is an expensive replacement project. We have added a fine screen mesh over or behind all of ours. With our annual weed-eating, leaf raking, and outdoor sprinkler system we think we are protected from the wind-driven fine spray of sparks that would otherwise get into our attic and basement-crawl space.
4. Outdoor sprinkler system. I installed an outdoor sprinkler system using one and a quarter inch PVC, connected to the water main with one simple lever ball valve. When on, it operates Rainbird sprinklers that water the entire exterior of my house. It's waters are directed up under the eaves as well as our deck and siding plus 30 feet out around the house. (We have a concrete tile roof.) It is connected to a 5000 gallon tank that we keep full by float valves operating the well pump. I have a large propane powered generator and transfer switch so it automatically keeps the pressure pump and well pump running when the electrical power is shut off. The propane tank is also sprinklered. (I test it during the hottest summer days when it also serves as a large evaporative cooler!) The tricky part about using this is that you have to wait until the fire is actually approaching the property before you turn it on. You don't want to drain your tank before the fire actually gets to the house. This means you might need to stay at the house longer than you or the fire department wants you to. Good news is that I got to stay until the final hour during this October’s fire and it paid off; helped save our house. Bad news is that the fire crews thought it was so cool that they left the house otherwise unprotected right after I did! (Given our oneway out, long forested roads, the winds and intensity of the fire, they probably would have left anyway.)
5. Signage. Be sure your house numbers are adequately shown, but also build signs for things like a water tank, generator, sprinkler system(s), etc. If your property or neighborhood is tricky, good handout maps could also be useful. Fire crews that came to our house were from out of the area, often arriving in the dark, and sleep deprived.

mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Dec 5, 2017 - 02:37am PT
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-school-fire-20171204-story.html
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-fire-winds-santa-paula-20171204-story.html
Sh!t hits the fan again.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Dec 5, 2017 - 02:40am PT
hey there say, mouse... ooops, i just saw too late, that someone
DID GET IT in here...

it belongs here, too...
good job...

guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Dec 6, 2017 - 10:39am PT
http://beta.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ventura-fire-20171206-story.html

One photo says it all....
crusher

climber
Santa Monica, CA
Dec 6, 2017 - 12:25pm PT
Can anyone provide a link to an updated fire boundary map for the Thomas fire in Ventura? Want to share with a friend whose folks are in Ojai and are evacuated. I can't get anything on Calfire - too many people are on the site I think plus I don't know if they have anything detailed.

Thanks in advance.

It was snowing ash this morning in Santa Monica...we started getting it bad (you can't breathe outside) yesterday morning from Sylmar and this morning from both Sylmar and this new fire in the Sepulveda Pass ("Skirball"). I feel so terrible for the folks in Ventura and Sylmar, they're getting the worst of it. A relative's home burned down in Sylmar...

I hope that any of you in these areas are safe!
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Dec 6, 2017 - 01:22pm PT
The current CalFire incident info for Thomas Fire



Thomas Fire Incident Information:
Last Updated: December 06, 2017 11:46 am
Date/Time Started: December 04, 2017 6:28 pm
Administrative Unit: Unified Command: CAL FIRE, Ventura County Fire, City of Ventura, Los Padres National Forest, Ventura County Sheriff,
County: Ventura County
Location: Hwy 150 and Hwy 126, north of Santa Paula
Acres Burned - Containment: 65,000 acres
Structures Threatened: 12,000 structures threatened
Structures Destroyed: 150 structures
Evacuations: Evacuation Map
MANDATORY EVACUATIONS:
• City of Santa Paula - Boundary of Say Road north to Thomas Aquinas, Dickenson Ranch Road east to Santa Paula Creek
• City of Santa Paula - Boundary of Monte Vista Street north to city limits, Foothill Road from Steckel to Peck Road to north of city limits
• Santa Paula unincorporated area towards Ventura- North of Foothill Road from Peck Road to Wells Road including: Wheeler Canyon, Aliso Canyon and Rancho Vista
• City of Ventura - Teloma east to Brent Street, Telegraph Road north to north of Foothill Road
• City of Ventura - Victoria Road east to Hill Road, Telegraph Road north to Foothill Road
• City of Ventura - North Ashwood Avenue east to Hill Road, Telegraph Road north to Foothill Road
• City of Ventura - North of Foothill Road from Wells Road to Poli Street
• City of Ventura - North of Main Street from Seward Avenue to Hwy 33 (includes entire Ventura Avenue area)
• Oak View - Boundary of Hwy 33, Creek Road and Hermosa Road
• Entire Community of Casitas Springs - Evacuate to Ventura County Fairgrounds - 10 West Harbor Blvd., Ventura
• East Ojai Valley - Carne Road east to McAndrew Road, Reeves Road north to Thacher Road
• Upper Ojai Valley - Hwy 150 from Dennison Grade east to Osborne Road and all residences north
• Ventura County North Coast Area - Boundary of Hwy 33 on the north to Casitas Vista Road, northwest to Hwy 150, Hwy 150 (Casitas Pass Road) west to US 101 and south on US 101 (including Pacific Coast Highway) to Emma Wood State Beach

VOLUNTARY EVACUATIONS:
• Residents in the City of Ventura, south of Loma Vista, east of Day Road, West of Victoria Avenue and north of Telegraph Road
• Residents in the City of Ventura, east of Victoria north of Loma Vista South of Foothill west of Wells Road
• All residents of the Ojai Valley not currently covered under the current mandatory evacuation
• City of Fillmore - Boundary of 2nd Street north to 4th Street & Island View Street east to Pole Creek
• City of Fillmore - Boundary of 4th Street on the south to Pole Canyon Road, Pole Canyon Road northeast to Goodenough Road, Goodenough Road south to 5th Street and 5th Street southeast to 4th Street
• City of Fillmore - Boundary of Hwy 23 & the Santa Clara River south to Guiberson Road, Guiberson Road east to Torrey Road and Torrey Road north to the Santa Clara River

EVACUATION SHELTERS: City of Ventura - Ventura County Fairgrounds at Miners Building (Red Cross - Includes an Animal Shelter for all types of animals) – 10 W Harbor Blvd, Ventura, CA 93001
City of Ojai - Nordhoff High School (Red Cross) -1401 Maricopa Hwy, Ojai, CA 93023
City of Oxnard - Oxnard College Gymnasium (Red Cross)- Open 12/5/17, 0700
City of Santa Paula - Santa Paula Community Center (City of SP run shelter) - Open 0800
City of Fillmore - Veteran's Memorial Bldg (City of Fillmore run shelter), 511 2nd Street - Will be open 12/6/17, 0800 hrs
UC Santa Barbara - Santa Barbara Multi Activity Center, 552 University Road, Santa Barbara, CA

Road Closures: ROAD CLOSURES: Road closures continue to impact Highway 150 and Highway 33, as well as many other city and county roads.
Per California Highway Patrol:
Hard Closure- SR-150 at Reeves Road (east end Ojai Valley)
Hard Closure - SR-150 at Stonegate (Santa Paula)
Hard Closure - SR 150 at Telegraph Road (Santa Paula)
Hard Closure - SR 150 at Richmond Road (Santa Paula)
Hard Closure - Foothill Road at Olive/Cummings/Wells/Briggs (Santa Paula/Ventura area)
BREAKING UPDATES:
Ojai Area - Traffic is currently open for Hwy 150 (Casitas Pass Road) to US 101 (Carpenteria)
Casitas Springs area - Creek Road north of Hwy 33 closed.

Cooperating Agencies: CAL FIRE, Ventura County Fire, Ventura County Sheriff, City of Ventura Fire Department, City of Ventura Police Department, USFS/Los Padres National Forest, CAL OES, Red Cross, PG&E, CHP, Ventura County Public Works, CALTRANS, California Dept. of Corrections and Rehabilitation.
Total Fire Personnel: 1776
Total Fire Engines: 362
Total Fire Crews: 32
Total Helicopters: 12
Total Dozers: 19
Total Water Tenders: 4
Incident Management Team: CAL FIRE IMT-4
Long/Lat: -119.09124/34.41521
Conditions: The fire continues to burn actively with extreme rates of spread and long range spotting when pushed by winds. The fire is established on the north and east side of Hwy 150 and is also burning on the west side of Hwy 30. The fire has pushed northwest of Ventura and has reached the Hwy 101. Firefighters continue to work aggressively to protect life and property while working on control efforts around the fire perimeter.
SCHOOL CLOSURES: Fillmore Unified School District, Hueneme Elementary School District, Mesa Union Elementary School District, Moorpark Unified School District, Mupu Elementary School District, Ocean View School District, Ojai Unified School District, Oxnard Elementary School District, Oxnard Union High School District, Pleasant Valley School District, Rio Elementary School District, Saint Anthony's School, Santa Clara Elementary School District (Santa Paula), Santa Paula Unified School District, Simi Valley Unified School District, University Preparation Charter School, VCOE Career Education Center Sites, VCOE-Operated School Sites and Classrooms, Ventura Unified School District, Moorpark College, Oxnard College, Ventura College, Thomas Aquinas College

Phone Numbers (805) 465-6650 (Thomas Fire Information Line )
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Dec 6, 2017 - 01:29pm PT
The current Thomas Fire map. It's likely a few hours out of date

neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Dec 6, 2017 - 01:41pm PT
hey there, say, hightraverse...

very good to see that info share...

i will pass it on...

crusher

climber
Santa Monica, CA
Dec 6, 2017 - 02:48pm PT
Thanks HT. I found the text too, just not a good up to date map.



John M

climber
Dec 7, 2017 - 12:49pm PT
The Thomas fire is still going off. High winds predicted through Friday.


Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Dec 12, 2017 - 02:00pm PT
Homeless tweakers started the one in Sepulveda Pass.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-skirball-fire-cause-20171212-story.html
splitclimber

climber
Sonoma County
Dec 21, 2017 - 12:59pm PT
link to the Calfire Nuns Fire Report in Sonoma County
http://www.fire.ca.gov/communications/downloads/Watershed_reports/20171115_NunsWERT.pdf
Darwin

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Jan 1, 2018 - 12:10pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]


I found this a pretty compelling performance, maybe a little reminiscent of the song Talk to me of Mendocino. The writer/performer, Karen, lived in Humboldt county when I was there (billions and billions of years ago) and is a right honest human being. She lives outside Boston now.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jan 1, 2018 - 12:45pm PT
That was sweet, Darwin. Made me cryful. TFPU.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jan 1, 2018 - 09:52pm PT
hey there say, darwin... yes, thanks...


made me cry too...

my place where i grew up... :(
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Jan 2, 2018 - 04:08pm PT
Thank you, DMT! Yes. This. The Yos Valley needs a big-ass burn, too. It would be sad, but, yeah, we gotta toughen up. Be careful where you buy/build. It's hard, of course, when the fire directly threatens and/or blackens a place you love. I only got into Domelands Wilderness once before it all burned down. Bummed. What a place. Joshua Tree on steroids with pines and ZERO people. Fire, of course, started by some jackass. So it goes.

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mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jan 4, 2018 - 06:09am PT
President Trump on Tuesday declared that a major natural disaster exists in California and ordered federal assistance to help local agencies in recovery efforts in areas affected by the Thomas fire, which started Dec. 4 and is still burning.

The declaration means federal funds will be available to state and local governments for emergency work in Santa Barbara and Ventura counties, according to a news release from the White House.

Nonprofit organizations will also be eligible to receive funds for emergency work.

Last year was the most destructive on record for California wildfires, with the Thomas fire topping an 85-year-old list of the state’s largest wildfires. It was also the third year in the last decade that flames burned more than 1 million acres across the state.

http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-trump-wildfire-relief-20180102-story.html

http://www.ksby.com/story/37184880/thomas-fire-update

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/02/us/california-thomas-fire-mudslide-threat/index.html

Because this place can't exist without it.

It would exist, DMT, but in a different manner. Nice rant, my friend.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 4, 2018 - 06:20pm PT
When a slide wipes out a house, that piece of property needs to be permanently condemned.

I agree, but I think we should consider extending this to homes wiped out by other natural processes.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jan 4, 2018 - 07:23pm PT

HUH?


https://s24.postimg.org/we7qr5ivp/7799_CA_01_D_LRG.jpg
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Jun 11, 2018 - 07:36am PT
^^^hate to see that. It's probably my favorite part of Colorado.
I almost moved to Durango a few years ago.
originalpmac

Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
Jun 11, 2018 - 11:44am PT
Yeah, that Durango fire is going off. Scary stuff. Cheers to the fire crews.

BooDawg

Social climber
Butterfly Town
Jul 15, 2018 - 04:29pm PT
Ferguson Fire has closed Hwy 140 between The Bug Resort and Cedar Lodge. Smoke has filled the Valley, and there's no visibility from Glacier Point. Is Tuolumne smoked out as well? Mandatory evacuation of Jerseydale. Cedar Lodge is closed. Check out the Yosemite webcams. 2% contained. 4000 acres and growing. Yosemite West on evacuation alert...

Edit: Monday, 7/16: Now over 10,000 acres and growing. Still, 2% contained.

franky

Trad climber
Madison, WI
Jul 16, 2018 - 07:33am PT
Tuolumne was smoked out yesterday.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 16, 2018 - 10:03am PT
hey there say, DMT... oh my, :(

condolences and prayers for his family and loved ones...
i had not seen an update on this... thank you...
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Jul 16, 2018 - 10:04pm PT
Anyone know what it looks like up around Edison and Florence with the smoke from the Ferguson fire?

Supposed to take kids camping up there this weekend...
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 16, 2018 - 11:28pm PT
hey there say, jody... wow, thanks for the share...

tarallo

Trad climber
italy
Jul 17, 2018 - 08:26am PT
Hi,
Do you know if a go fund has been settled for the Firefighter died in the Ferguson fire?
Can you help me to find it?
Thanks
A
tarallo

Trad climber
italy
Jul 17, 2018 - 08:32am PT
Thank you very much Jody
Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Jul 17, 2018 - 04:33pm PT
http://californiasmokeinfo.blogspot.com/ Some more smoke info here.
originalpmac

Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
Jul 18, 2018 - 09:19am PT
2% contained means 98% OUT OF CONTROL!
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Jul 19, 2018 - 06:20pm PT
Can anyone confirm rumors that Glacier Point is closed as a staging area is being set up at Badger Pass?

Also getting conflicting talk about evacs for Yosemite West?

Inciweb is pretty uninformative.
john hansen

climber
Jul 19, 2018 - 07:43pm PT
Click the x to lose the box of info then you can double click to zoom in.

Looks like it burned right down to and on both sides of Cedar Lodge and Indian Flat campground. Thank the firefighters for that.

Wish they had a scale on the map..


https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/5927/
John M

climber
Jul 19, 2018 - 08:08pm PT
This says that they are closing glacier point road.

paragraph below picture with big x in it.

The Glacier Point Road inside Yosemite National Park will close at 10 p.m. tonight, say park officials. Firefighting resources and activities involved in the Ferguson Fire have necessitated the need for a small base camp located at the Yosemite Ski and Snowboard Area (formerly Badger Pass) and Bridalveil Creek Campground (which is also closed).

https://sierranewsonline.com/ferguson-fire-now-21500-acres-still-7-percent-contained/

I don't know why they are closing glacier point road. They have used Badger pass and Bridalveil creek campground before without closing the road.
guido

Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
Jul 19, 2018 - 08:20pm PT
Arcgis.com

johntp

Trad climber
Little Rock and Loving It
Jul 20, 2018 - 08:27am PT
https://www.yourcentralvalley.com/news/ferguson-fire-now-over-22-000-acres/1312720820
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 20, 2018 - 08:52am PT
hey there say, johntp and all... thanks for the updates...
otisdog

Social climber
Sierra Madre, Ca.
Jul 20, 2018 - 05:30pm PT
Any of this evenings Tom's Place / Bridgeport lightning strikes igniting?
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 23, 2018 - 06:32pm PT
hey there say ... i've seen a few update...

but-- is there any for the 23, as of today, this afternoon?


thanks guys...
Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Jul 23, 2018 - 09:58pm PT
Heli Rappelers! Some of Yosemite's finest helping us with our Horse Creek Fire, Sequoia National Park....They were here just over night.
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Jul 23, 2018 - 10:10pm PT
Ferguson Fire status as of 7/23, 6am:
The fire is 36,102 acres with 16% containment. 3,311 personnel are currently engaged on the fire which includes 194 engines, 45 water tenders, 16 helicopters, 91 crews, and 52 dozers. There has been 1 fatality and 6 injuries to date.
 The uncontrolled fire perimeter is the thick red line; there is a black line on the south edge of the fire where a dirt road was made to protect structures at Jerseydale.
 Fire burning uphill on the North side of 140 / Merced, NW of Cedar Lodge. The fire advanced a lot there on 7/21.
 Fire close to the gov't housing in El Portal, but is on the South side of the river.
 Fire advancing on the SE and slowly E towards Yosemite West. There is a dirt road/line on top of Henness Ridge just S of Yosemite West. Should be possible to stop it there, but could be scary if it burns fast uphill to the ridgetop.
 Foresta, Yosemite West, Jerseydale under evacuation order.
https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/5927/
johntp

Trad climber
Little Rock and Loving It
Jul 24, 2018 - 07:03pm PT
Horse Creek Fire:

https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/5984/

http://www.recorderonline.com/news/horse-creek-fire-acres-and-growing/article_465cb93c-8e3a-11e8-95f7-2f291e1c2f66.html
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 24, 2018 - 07:18pm PT
hey there, say, thanks guys... :)
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Jul 25, 2018 - 08:13am PT
regarding the horse fire, why are they fighting a lightning caused fire? I thought natural fires were supposed to burn in the parks.
Crump

Social climber
Canyon Lake, Texas
Jul 25, 2018 - 03:21pm PT
I wonder if you were high on the captain and the fires reached the valley, could you survive? Would it be like you are tied to the wall of an oven until all your gear melts? If you survived what it would be like to come down and walk in a completely empty Valley.

Back in May ‘83, the NPS was going to close the Valley due to flooding so we imediately went vertical to be above any evacuation. It never happened, but we had a fantasy of having to whole Valley to ourselves.
Apocalyptic.

God Speed to all and prayers for the safety of all and a end to the fire.
aspendougy

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Jul 25, 2018 - 03:33pm PT
Just heard from a cousin who works at Hodgon Meadows. The Ferguson Fire has reached the Rim Fire burn areas, so he feels there is little danger it will continue to spread N or NE to the extent that it will force closure of Hwy 120. He says it might threaten a bit the Merced Grove. But very unpleasant, hot and lots of smoke everywhere. How bad is the smoke at Tuolumne, anybody up there?
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Jul 25, 2018 - 03:43pm PT
Fire approaching the Idyllwild area. The Cranston fire started about noon. They say it is about 800 acres, but seems to be growing rapidly. It started down near Hemet. Supposedly is arson.
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Jul 25, 2018 - 04:59pm PT
Idyllwild, Pine Cove, and Fern Valley have been evacuated.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jul 25, 2018 - 06:17pm PT
Supposedly is arson

Yes. I just heard on the news the have the guy. I suppose I should say they have suspect.

Godspeed to the firefighters.
BooDawg

Social climber
Butterfly Town
Jul 25, 2018 - 10:34pm PT
There is a new Tuolumne Meadows Webcam which may answer the smoke question. Air quality there seems to be best in the morning and much better in the Meadows than in the rest of Yosemite.

Here's a pic of the fire from this afternoon around 6:00 p.m. from the Indian Peak/Silva Rd. intersection with Hwy 49. The pic is looking east, and the smoke is blowing up-slope, away from Hwy 49, but at night the winds will reverse and flow down-slope toward Hwy 49 and Lisa and my house...

Ahh! Country livin'!!

Edit:

(The website doesn't seem able to post the picture, and it's late so, I'm off to sleep, but one can find the pic on my FB page.)
john hansen

climber
Jul 25, 2018 - 10:55pm PT
Hey Boodog, I know you built your house out of the right materials and have been working hard to make defensible space.

I thought you were south of 49.

Hope they get it contained soon.

Aloha
i-b-goB

Social climber
Nutty
Jul 26, 2018 - 09:07am PT
http://abc7.com/cranston-fire-crews-continue-to-battle-4700-acre-blaze-in-idyllwild/3827025/


https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/arson-arrest-made-as-cranston-fire-forces-evacuations-burns-nearly-5-000-acres-in-southern-california/70005606
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Jul 26, 2018 - 02:01pm PT
Here's an image from the webcam outside the store at Tuolumne Meadows. It looks a bit smoky:

https://www.nps.gov/customcf/webcam/dsp_webcam_image.cfm?id=81B46511-1DD8-B71B-0BF4530A57767712
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 26, 2018 - 03:30pm PT


A California man has been taken into custody on suspicion of arson, as firefighters have contained just 5 percent of the blaze that started Wednesday in the Idyllwild area in Riverside County.

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/26/632730654/arson-arrest-made-in-fast-moving-southern-california-fire
Nibs

Trad climber
Humboldt, CA
Jul 26, 2018 - 09:11pm PT
T Hocking, stay safe. we are on the Humboldt coast watching live coverage of the Carr fire moving into west Redding right now. scary.

best to you and your family.
John M

climber
Jul 26, 2018 - 09:56pm PT
That Carr fire looks like it really took off today. The Cal fire map seems to be way behind. It still shows the fire west of the lake.
Nibs

Trad climber
Humboldt, CA
Jul 26, 2018 - 10:39pm PT
KRCR left a rooftop camera on. picture speaks for itself. apocalyptic.
our local station is still carrying the video
John M

climber
Jul 26, 2018 - 11:23pm PT
I don't know why people wait for the last minute to get out of the way of these fires. When the wind is blowing, get out.

Edit: there are going to be a lot of burned homes from this fire. The video has been incredible.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 27, 2018 - 07:17am PT
don't know why people wait for the last minute to get out of the way of these fires. When the wind is blowing, get out.

Cause stoopid people value their stuff more than their lives. That’s why over 80 died in Greece this week.
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Jul 27, 2018 - 07:45am PT
^^^this
hooblie

climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
Jul 27, 2018 - 12:52pm PT
that's terrible, i really wish we humans could wrestle these catastrophes to a fare thee well
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 27, 2018 - 04:06pm PT
Good luck, Tad.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Jul 27, 2018 - 04:26pm PT
I'm so very sorry for everyone involved in the many fires around our nation. I too know the evacuation drill. Three times also over the past years in Valley Center, CA. Be ready, be prepared.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 27, 2018 - 05:18pm PT
Scary footage here

https://www.newsday.com/news/nation/tv-station-evacuates-from-northern-calif-fire-1.20126809


The Redding fire is not driven by stiff winds, as witnessed in Santa Rosa, the Oakland hills and other fatal California wildfires, he said. Instead, the fire created its own heat source, aided by an afternoon sun that baked the ground with air temperatures to 113 degrees.

As super-hot smoke ascends, it creates a wicked updraft — so strong it begins to rotate.

“It rises, stretches and spins, like a ballerina,” Swain said.


https://i2.wp.com/www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/neal-lareau.png?fit=620%2C9999px&ssl=1
WBraun

climber
Jul 27, 2018 - 05:31pm PT
T Hocking

Looks the same here lol

Meh .... just a little smoke :-)

You shouldn't leave.

If those burning embers land on your house or your yard you'll be able to stop a spot fire.
aspendougy

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Jul 27, 2018 - 06:54pm PT
https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/6036/


If you look at a zoomed in map of the incident, the Eastern Boundary of the fire is butted up against the entire Western Boundary of Redding
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 27, 2018 - 07:16pm PT
hey there say, ... just stepped in, can't read it all now...

Thocking ... good to know you are okay...

prayers for all...

will go back and read more... just a bit later, this eve...

thanks for sharing updates...
been gone, all day...
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 27, 2018 - 07:55pm PT
On the latest Inciweb map it shows at least three spot fires down wind of the big one.
One is a good mile down wind!
John M

climber
Jul 27, 2018 - 10:23pm PT
Cal Fire is now reporting 500 structures destroyed in the Carr fire.

Sorry about your friends house Tad. Thats hard..
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Jul 27, 2018 - 10:51pm PT
Install sprinkler hoses all around under the eves
climbski2

Mountain climber
The Ocean
Jul 28, 2018 - 02:56am PT
Just noticed the news from down here in PR. Stay safe and good luck Tad.
jonnyrig

climber
Jul 28, 2018 - 07:52am PT
Best wishes to you Tad
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 28, 2018 - 08:37am PT
the guy arrested the other day is implicated in nine

A 32-year-old Temecula man was charged Friday with intentionally starting nine fires, including a wildfire that has burned at least five homes and forced thousands to evacuate in the Riverside County mountains.
Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...
Jul 28, 2018 - 08:41am PT
^ Burn 'em at the stake?

Hang in there Tad.
Condolences to the fire fighters that lost their lives and their loved ones.
Desparate shite.
Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Jul 28, 2018 - 10:51am PT
The Carr Fire in Redding....Ripping Fire. Red Flag conditions and High Winds. The perfect storm for this terrible disaster!! http://www.fire.ca.gov/current_incidents/incidentdetails/Index/2164
aspendougy

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Jul 28, 2018 - 12:21pm PT
In one news reel clip, a house that had burned some time ago still had this 10 ft. tall wall of flame spurting up due to the gas line still having gas in it. I wonder how much the natural gas lines contribute to houses burning. Of course, one is supposed to turn off the gas right away, but does that always do the trick?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 28, 2018 - 01:31pm PT
Not if something heavy falls on the street side of the valve and breaks it. The more pertinent
question is

WHY THE PHUK DIDN’T THE GAS COMPANY SHUT OFF THE MAINS?
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Jul 28, 2018 - 04:02pm PT
Please be careful Andy and everyone else out there. Things, even homes, can be replaced. People are what make our lives full and worth living. My heart breaks for all that is happening to so many.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 28, 2018 - 04:15pm PT
Timid, how many mains would they have needed to turn off? They don’t have a plan for that?
climbski2

Mountain climber
The Ocean
Jul 29, 2018 - 06:53pm PT
How's it going Tad?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jul 29, 2018 - 09:19pm PT
I'm in AK but there is a 26,000 acre fire raging in the Pah Rah range. Last I heard it was in my canyon with all the neighbors evacuated. The fire crew was staging from my property so there is some hope. My friend Brendan went up and took out a list of irreplaceable's last night.
john hansen

climber
Jul 29, 2018 - 09:51pm PT
I think a lot of customers in Redding rely on propane delivery and tanks instead of lines.
Those flames could be the individual tanks bleeding off.

I doubt if Redding has an underground gas system.



http://shastagaspropane.com







I can not imagine fighting fires in 100 degree heat.

Over 570 homes lost so far.


Edit: I stand corrected as per Hocking below.
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Jul 30, 2018 - 02:07am PT
^why? they're a city of 90,000 along I-5. I would be stunned if they didn't
climbski2

Mountain climber
The Ocean
Jul 30, 2018 - 03:32pm PT
Wow Rick. Seems like the nevada obscure gang is facing fire issues this year. I think it's hard for lower 48 years to realize the size and scale of Alaska wildfires. Generally they don't affect a whole lot of people but massive. Good luck to you Rick
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jul 30, 2018 - 04:15pm PT
I hope it rains over there.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jul 30, 2018 - 07:22pm PT
Yeah Derek, truly massive fires up in AK, sometimes in excess of a million acres. But the fire I'm referring to is in NV. The Perry fire, now 48,000 acres. Saw an incident map overlayed on a satellite I mb age 2 hours ago. My place in Paiute Canyon was surrounded on 3 sides by fire burnt acreage. Thank God for the 30 man crew staged on my property protecting the structures in the canyon.
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Jul 31, 2018 - 12:09am PT
so what's different about the alaska fires?
was there a time when they were extinguished there?
how are they burning? are they sterilizing the landscape as fires do here in areas of previous suppression or is it just part of the natural cycle?
It seems like we are just seeing how a natural ecosystem in those latitudes behaves?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jul 31, 2018 - 12:29am PT
In most of the state of AK there is little to no population nor consequent suppression Gumby. The fires in these areas are allowed to burn naturally and since there is no active suppression cleanse the landscape before a buildup up of fuel can cause a catastrophic burn.
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Jul 31, 2018 - 07:04am PT
^exactly.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jul 31, 2018 - 06:56pm PT
2 lightening fires near clark canyon right now...been going since 3 o'clock...
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jul 31, 2018 - 09:29pm PT


Well, my NV house survived thanks to the fire crew staging off the property. But, my once beautiful creekside deck didn't fare so well. Including damage to my roof, pool, deck, irrigation system, and miscellaneous scorch mark's I estimate 50-60 k in repair costs. Not to fear, I am after all a general contractor, but unfortunately my entire 130 acres trees, brush. grass is all cinders.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jul 31, 2018 - 09:42pm PT
bummer rick....
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 1, 2018 - 08:00am PT
Good article, Jody. Can’t wait to see the ad hominem attacks because you posted it.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Aug 1, 2018 - 08:14am PT
Fake news...
phylp

Trad climber
Upland, CA
Aug 1, 2018 - 08:37am PT
I’m sorry for all you have lost, Rick Summer, but I am glad your home was saved.
Take care, Phyl
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 1, 2018 - 08:38am PT
That's pretty much right on DMT.

Take my area in NV. A high desert/mountain canyon. Hadn't burned in probably 200 years, full to the brim with fire fuel. I told my wife many times; enjoy it while you can because we're going to lose it to fire or flood if we keep it long enough. Well, we got lucky this time with the fire crew staging right on the property ( 2 closest neighbors not so lucky, homes burnt to the ground). Now, being in a major drainage with many square miles of freshly denuded mountain slopes feeding it I'll pray to the mountain gods for a light precip winter. In the meantime I'm going to heavily terraform my section of the canyon with a D-9.

If you live in harm's way, as so in many in our burgeoning population, you should expect nature to bite back.
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Aug 1, 2018 - 08:49am PT
Hoo, yeah, what DMT said. Really bummed about your loss, Rick. That sucks. Didn't the natives used to burn out areas intentionally back in the day? I've always understood that California is a "fire ecology" region. I seem to recall the canyons in So Cal were often burned by the natives. Now they are packed with multi-million dollar homes! Oh, well. Fire is gonna come. Have an escape plan.

BAd
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Aug 1, 2018 - 08:53am PT
this
perhaps we shouldn't build our homes in flood plains, or across earthquake faults, or in the fire zones,

yeah I know it's a free country, and all that, but there should be away to encourage people to not build in these areas. Why? Because many of these people who are burnt out, or flooded away, say they didn't know.
The developers who build on these floodplains, or fire prone areas are trying to tame nature. Nature doesn't need to be tamed
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Aug 1, 2018 - 09:04am PT
There's a great--if depressing--Planet Money podcast about the economics of flood insurance. It will leave you screaming. Because of the frequent, predictable, catastrophic flooding in the Mississippi drainage and others, private insurance companies made policies simply too expensive for most home owners. Ah, federal gov't to the rescue! Now, all tax payers get to fork over for the idiotic rebuilding in areas that are GUARANTEED to flood again and again as long as the rain shall fall. One bloke has been subsidized by the tax payer to rebuild something like 16 times! WTF? At least if you rebuild in a burned out area, that particular threat is unlikely to be repeated in one lifetime.

At least in California, we've got so much extra cash lying around to fight fires, it's no big deal to afford. I mean, it's not like we're building a $100 billion dollar POS bullet train that will never be completed or be self-sustaining, right? Sorry for thread drift.

Crossing my fingers for everyone fighting fires and whose homes are in danger.

BAd
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 1, 2018 - 09:21am PT
hey there, say, timid... thanks for sharing... this helps me understand a lot... feel so bad for our beloved calif...

i used to wonder too, about a lot of this... now i understand better...
i kind of knew a little bit, about all that, and had wondered...


thanks again...
:)
John M

climber
Aug 1, 2018 - 09:54am PT
Section 1. For the Ahtiests/non believers.. Nothing about God

100 years of fire suppression
Rising average temperatures ( whatever the reason.. I shouldn't have to say that, but I will )
Current Drought
building homes in high fire danger areas
Increased need for spending on fires without equal increases in spending on overall forestry budget = less money to spend on habitat enhancement ( meaning not just things like weed control, but also things like thinning )

Its a complicated system and we are currently behind the curve.

................

Section 2.

A. Increased pressure from Disrespect for nature and the source of nature... God = most things are out of balance. We played god with our earth without a respect for the ultimate guide. I am not speaking about religion. Most religions have many things wrong, else why would Jesus tell his tribe that he had yet more things to tell them, but they weren't ready for them. If we had everything right, then what more would He need to tell us. End of scriptural lesson. This in no way means that religion has it all wrong. But evil has infiltrated a lot of religion, including christianity.

If you don't believe in God, you don't need to mock me. I already know that you don't believe in God. Thats is why I created a separate section. I fully respect Science. I don't believe that they have everything right. We are constantly learning new things which disprove old beliefs. This also in no way means that we know nothing. We are meant to be in a state of learning.

....

that should stir the pot. LOL..
canyoncat

Social climber
SoCal
Aug 1, 2018 - 10:12am PT
I burnt my toast this morning. I blame God.
Minerals

Social climber
The Deli
Aug 1, 2018 - 10:14am PT
Sorry to hear it, Rick. Two nights ago I could see a surprisingly bright orange glow over there, from my backyard, and I don’t have a view of that area. Kind of eerie.

Did you see that the fire was started by arson, and they have a suspect in custody, as of yesterday?

http://www.ktvn.com/story/38755657/fire-near-pyramid-lake-burns424001
John M

climber
Aug 1, 2018 - 10:15am PT
I burnt my toast this morning. I blame God.

Its His/Her way for telling you that you shouldn't be trusted with something as complicated as a toaster. ;-)
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Aug 1, 2018 - 12:21pm PT
DMT...I call BS on your assessment leaving out climate change as one of the causes of these fires...What caused the dry conditions ...? Draught , What caused the draught...? The screwball weather patterns...We've had aruund 7 smoky summers on the east side something that is a recent phenomena...People living in fire prone areas didn't just happen in the last 7 years...Correct me if i'm wrong but scandinavia temps in the 90's isn't normal...peace out...
climbski2

Mountain climber
The Ocean
Aug 1, 2018 - 01:02pm PT
Rick. Still sounds not great but glad it was not worse for you. No one hurt nothing irreplaceable lost. I suppose that counts as Lucky.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 1, 2018 - 01:38pm PT
I saw an article about the arsonists arrest Minerals. It will be interesting to see what motive twisted that screwball's pea brain to do such a thing. Some people lost everything.

Yeah, I was very lucky Derek. The neighbors not so.
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Aug 1, 2018 - 01:45pm PT
It will be interesting to see what motive twisted that screwball's pea brain to do such a thing. Some people lost everything.
I think some arsonists see other arsonists set fires, so they do it too, to see if they can get away with it.
crusher

climber
Santa Monica, CA
Aug 1, 2018 - 04:50pm PT
Rick,

Glad it was just your deck. Good luck with the winter rain/snow/floods now that the land has been scorched.

Rotting - what's going on up there by Crestview/Clark? Saw that on Inciweb but no details except lightening. Is it under control?

Speaking of Clark, I haven't been since a month or two after the fires went through there - I'm wondering if the underbrush and sage, etc. has grown back at all after 2 winters?

Best wishes for everyone still affected by the current fires!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Aug 1, 2018 - 05:05pm PT
crusher...don't know what's happening...just drove by and didn't see any smoke...that was after i heard arcularius was evacuated with 3 fires going...pouring rain this moment with more lightening and thunder...gonna email Cmac and rat Jody and DMT out for saying bad things to me....
originalpmac

Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
Aug 1, 2018 - 06:37pm PT
Just evaced in Pilot Hill, CA. Rode my motorcycle through a wall of smoke with 15+ foot flames on either side of my driveway. My wife, baby and dog were ten minutes ahead of me. I barely made it. Hoping my house is covered in fire retardant and not flames.

Been thinking about joining the fire department lately. Really serious about that now.
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Aug 1, 2018 - 08:41pm PT
Allow insurance companies to refuse to offer home owners insurance in high risk zones

Wasn't aware this was happening. What is the incentive for the insurance company?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Aug 1, 2018 - 08:43pm PT
original...Hope you get back to your home...
crusher

climber
Santa Monica, CA
Aug 1, 2018 - 08:49pm PT
Good luck Original...this just started today? Stay safe. What a horrible season so far...
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 1, 2018 - 09:14pm PT
That's cutting it a little too close Original. Hope you got out the irreplaceables.
sempervirens

climber
Aug 1, 2018 - 09:28pm PT
Increased pressure from Disrespect for nature and the source of nature... God = most things are out of balance.

How could you possibly know such a thing as disrespect for God being a cause of anything?
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 1, 2018 - 09:31pm PT
hey there say, john M... nice share...

ahhh, this was fun, too...
i know you meant it well, :) as you've seen the pot stirred,
before:

--as to your quote:

that should stir the pot. LOL..

it always happens in the best of kitchens...
;)

worldwise--man vs earth:
sadly, things have been 'over tampered with' that it
has that bad 'snowball down hill' effect ...

:(
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 1, 2018 - 09:34pm PT
hey there say, originalpmac... oh my... good you are okay...

also, thanks for the update, minerals...
originalpmac

Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
Aug 1, 2018 - 10:25pm PT
House didnt burn!!! Shed is toast, rabbits are dead. Chickens are alive. I did a LOT of brush clearing and burning this spring, pretty sure it saved our house. Have not made it home yet. Fire started today, went up the hill so phuckin fast. Scary stuff. I hope my neighbors house are okay.

Thanks for the good wishes, all. Stay safe, clear your property.
hooblie

climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
Aug 1, 2018 - 10:37pm PT
wow, glad to hear! hard work paid off ... but still, painful experience i'm sure
F10

Trad climber
Bishop
Aug 2, 2018 - 08:09am PT
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Aug 2, 2018 - 08:33am PT
Yeah, F10. Worst I've ever seen! We just walked the meadows north of 395 and couldn't see the Whites, the Sierras, or even the Druids. Completely socked in with smoke. Gah. Mammoth looks gnar as well. We may NOT go up there to climb today.

BAd
WBraun

climber
Aug 2, 2018 - 01:05pm PT
The "official" word is that 120 is closed for firing operations

Means -- Backburn operations
originalpmac

Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
Aug 2, 2018 - 04:29pm PT

This is what I rode through with both side burning and smoke obscuring the road.

G_Gnome

Trad climber
Cali
Aug 3, 2018 - 10:34am PT
Anyone have photos from the Hot Creek fire or information on what burned?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 3, 2018 - 11:27am PT
Now Mandatory evac for all persons in Valley.

But not Werner, right? 😉

Apocalypse now. 😐
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 4, 2018 - 12:06am PT
hey there say, timid... thanks for the update...
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Aug 4, 2018 - 09:44am PT
Pmac good to hear your place survived, sorry for the rabbits!!! Your clearing no doubt saved the day, we continue to clear but have the equivalent of an atomic bomb down in the canyon below our property.

Dang that Ferguson Fire....

You can see the back fire Warner mentioned up on 120, how is Yosemite West doing? Looks like it is either gone or completely surrounded, terrible.

Safe passage all.....
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 4, 2018 - 10:15am PT
Reuters:

A fast-growing California wildfire that has already forced thousands to flee their homes and shut down a large national park surged overnight into Saturday, as fatigued firefighters battled gusting winds.
The blaze in Mendocino County, about 90 miles (145 km) north of San Francisco, had spread to cover a total of 201,471 acres (81,500 hectares) by early Saturday, after increasing more than 25 percent in size from Friday, the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection (Cal Fire) said. It was 34 percent contained.
The Mendocino Complex Fire is now the state's largest fire at more than two-thirds the size of sprawling Los Angeles, and has forced the evacuation of nearly 16,000 residents and destroyed more than 100 structures.

Seems like CalFire needs some remedial maths work. If the fire grew 25% overnight how could it be 34% contained unless it was like 50% contained yesterday?
ruppell

climber
Aug 4, 2018 - 10:25am PT
Seems like CalFire needs some remedial maths work. If the fire grew 25% overnight how could it be 34% contained unless it was like 50% contained yesterday?

Because it advanced away from already secured containtment lines. It never breached those lines so they didn't loose any containment even though it go much larger. They never had containment on the area it advanced into.
John M

climber
Aug 4, 2018 - 10:44am PT
Reilly, Did you consider that Reuters may have gotten it wrong? Cal Fire says the Mendocino complex fire is 27 percent contained and 156,000 acres as of 7 AM.

http://www.fire.ca.gov/current_incidents/incidentdetails/Index/2175

kaholatingtong

Trad climber
The fake McCoy from nevernever land.
Aug 4, 2018 - 11:05am PT
Cal fire lists two different mendocino fires, most places group them as all one big mendocino complex fire.
Minerals

Social climber
The Deli
Aug 4, 2018 - 11:09am PT
^ Yes. Both the Ranch Fire and the River Fire make up the Mendocino Complex.

http://www.fire.ca.gov/current_incidents/incidentdetails/Index/2178

156,678 (Ranch) + 44,793 (River) = 201,471 acres total

https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/6073/

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?ll=36.518465989675875%2C-114.862060546875&hl=en&z=6&source=embed&ie=UTF8&mid=1HacmM5E2ueL-FT2c6QMVzoAmE5M19GAf
John M

climber
Aug 4, 2018 - 11:09am PT
Edit: posting at same time ^^^^

ah.. that explains some of it. The River Fire and the Ranch fire total approx 200,000 acres, which make up the mendocino complex. One is 50 percent contained and one is 27 percent contained.
Minerals

Social climber
The Deli
Aug 4, 2018 - 11:23am PT
Yup.

Here is today’s fire map for the Mendocino Complex, from Inciweb:

https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/photos/CAMNF/2018-08-01-1630-Mendocino-Complex/picts/2018_08_04-11.13.38.084-CDT.jpeg


And here is the fire progression map for the Perry Fire, also posted today on Inciweb:

https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/photos/NVCCD/2018-07-28-1041-Perry/related_files/pict20180704-104903-0.pdf


Smoke is super thick again here this morning.

We’ll see what today brings; it’s supposed to be really windy.....


Edit to add:

What is also interesting is that both the Mendocino fires are listed as starting within an hour of each other and the cause is still listed as “under investigation.” Almost makes you wonder if these were arson as well.....

Ranch
July 27, 2018 12:05 pm

River
July 27, 2018 1:01 pm
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 4, 2018 - 12:18pm PT
July 23 - Aug 2

The numbers are based on daily statistics provided by the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection, and show how much land the fire has charred with each passing day.

Riley will check the calcs

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/03/us/carr-fire-spreading-fast-animation-trnd/index.html
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 4, 2018 - 01:46pm PT
Scary stuff here

Carr Fire "Tornado"



[Click to View YouTube Video]

There are lots of them where this came from

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_rQNZbnj_A
originalpmac

Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
Aug 4, 2018 - 02:10pm PT

Defensible space. Fire crew was able to get in there.


Con fire crew. These guys were assuredly psyched to be fighting fires.
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Aug 4, 2018 - 10:39pm PT
*
Tonight .. Turtleback Dome webcam, just now........F*#k
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Aug 5, 2018 - 01:43am PT
is there a link for that. the only one i see says "The digital camera is undergoing maintenance", which could be bad maybe?
https://www.nps.gov/customcf/webcam/dsp_webcam_image.cfm?id=81B464EA-1DD8-B71B-0B367470E91A4A7F
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Aug 5, 2018 - 06:58am PT
Intense year. I've got to re-set my feelings about fire. I know it's important, but this article from Outside online makes the point very well, I think.

https://www.outsideonline.com/2320206/prescribed-wildfire-solution-florida

Some shizzle:

Prescribed burns must meet National Environmental Policy Act muster. That can take years. Get through NEPA, and then air-quality boards have to sign off on smoke pollution that is unhealthy and unpleasant. Then a week must come when it’s dry but not too dry and windy enough to transport the smoke but not too windy to fan the flames. A 1,000-acre prescribed burn in Sequoia National Park took the incident commander a third of an almost 40-year career to find a window when all the various factors lined up.

Today, controlled fires are as cultural as NASCAR.

“The Thomas Fire burned 280,000 acres in Los Angeles and was front-page news for weeks,” Heirs tells me on the drive out to the research burn. That fire burned 1,000 homes. “In a 30-mile radius around Tallahassee, we burned the equivalent land, and it never made the news because we didn’t lose a single house.”

We need MORE fire, not less. Folks should think long and hard before moving into fire-prone areas. I guess you should be prepared to lose everything and have a good escape plan.

BAd
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Aug 5, 2018 - 08:23am PT
link for Yosemite web cams https://www.nps.gov/yose/learn/photosmultimedia/webcams.htm

This morning from Turtleback Dome web cam
John M

climber
Aug 5, 2018 - 08:37am PT
At 8:22 in the morning there is only one car in the parking lot at the Tuolumne Meadows store? I wonder if the campground is full. Clear skies too.


Huh.. tried to upload a screen capture of meadows store webcam, it wouldn't go. kept getting error message.


Poor Foresta can't catch a break from fire.
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 5, 2018 - 08:42am PT
Just now


https://www.nps.gov/customcf/webcam/dsp_webcam_image.cfm?id=81B464EA-1DD8-B71B-0B367470E91A4A7F
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Aug 5, 2018 - 08:48am PT
We need MORE fire, not less.
ok, but let people who know what they are doing start them. Not some idiot who throws a cigarette out of a car window, or someone who doesn't know how to put a campfire out.
Folks should think long and hard before moving into fire-prone areas.
that's what I said upthread. However, people think they have the right to live wherever they want. this is true, but they need to know the consequences.
Robb

Social climber
Cat Box
Aug 5, 2018 - 10:13am PT
DMT
Does CalFire no longer require clearing a defensible space around one's property? We had that requirement in place many years ago in Mariposa.
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Aug 5, 2018 - 10:33am PT
Cal Fire still requires defensible space. Their basic requirements are to do hard clearance in a 30 foot zone around any structure - house, shed, barn, etc. Hard means no ground debris, no overhanging trees, limbs lifted a minimum of 8 feet (higher on sloping ground). From footage marker 31 out to 100 feet, lesser clearing is allowed - can have 2-4 inches of compacted needles, humus, etc. Limbs still lifted to 8 feet.

Some HOA communities have stricter requirements such as requiring clearing of unoccupied (no structures) lots or requiring the entire lot to be had cleared if a building exists. My little group in Eastern Madera County went this hard route following the French Fire.

We now look like a park, but surrounding us on all sides is untouched Forest Service land with an estimated 300-400 standing dead bark beetle trees per acre ready to go up like roman candles.

Yes, we know we are fooling ourselves, but humans are optimistic creatures so we keep believing.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 5, 2018 - 10:41am PT
hey there say, nita... zBrown... john M... and the list goes on,
and, DMT ... thank you all for the information and the updates...


it is hard, trying to understand all this...
and, worse yet, to think and care about folks you love, and
their neighbors, and know you can't help them...

and, yet, we still pray... for those areas, and for the firefighters...


thanks for the update for foresta and for yosemite, and for,
every bit of info, on fire, that you share, here...

i just really want to understand a bit better...
thanks, robb and ricky D for the 'question and answer' there...


it takes TIME to stop what you are doing and share all this...
we are all just watching and waiting... :(


Guck

Trad climber
Santa Barbara, CA
Aug 5, 2018 - 10:45am PT
DMT; People might not create a defensible space because they are not allowed to. Here in Santa Barbara, the "chaparral institute", the Audubon society, the Sierra Club, ... all have successfully lobbied the County Planning department, and it is now illegal to clear brush and chaparral without having a licensed biologist and botanist survey the land, in search for "sensitive" plants or animals. The total cost of the survey and county fees to have the right to clear the land is far beyond what people can afford so they are resigned to live on a tinderbox. I bet that if given the chance, people would clear the area around their home.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 5, 2018 - 10:50am PT
hey there, say, Guck... whewww... wow... thanks for sharing that, ...

:O *never realized, one could not clear for safety...

(i've heard all kinds of other 'community' etc. neighbor rules,
but, as i do not live in such, i just 'plain ol' never realized' ...


again, thanks for sharing, to add this whole 'picture' ...
Robb

Social climber
Cat Box
Aug 5, 2018 - 11:11am PT
Guck that's crazy. Time for some midnight landscaping!
climbski2

Mountain climber
The Ocean
Aug 5, 2018 - 11:23am PT
Guck...I find that ...implausible
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 5, 2018 - 12:45pm PT

http://www.sbcfire.com/vegetation-management/




Defensible Space Program


The Vegetation Management Section (VMP) is responsible for producing Santa Barbara County’s Unit Fire Plan, as well as planning and oversight of range improvement burns and VMP projects. The Unit Fire Plan ensures compliance with state mandates regarding the county’s hazardous fuel beds while range improvement burns not only assist ranchers with improved grazing lands, but assist fire managers with reduced fuel loads. Encompassed in this responsibility is the administration of the Defensible Space Program as outlined in California’s Public Resource Code 4291.
ShawnInPaso

climber
Paso Robles, CA
Aug 5, 2018 - 12:50pm PT
What a shame....

stevep

Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
Aug 5, 2018 - 04:58pm PT
Dang...that's not looking good.
Minerals

Social climber
The Deli
Aug 5, 2018 - 07:21pm PT
There is also a fire along Hwy 108, to the west of Sonora Pass, which appears to have started at the east end of Donnell Lake. Inciweb currently lists it at 6,000 acres and 2% contained. It started the evening of August 1st.

https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/6092/


10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Aug 5, 2018 - 09:03pm PT
DMT; People might not create a defensible space because they are not allowed to. Here in Santa Barbara, the "chaparral institute", the Audubon society, the Sierra Club, ... all have successfully lobbied the County Planning department, and it is now illegal to clear brush and chaparral without having a licensed biologist and botanist survey the land, in search for "sensitive" plants or animals. The total cost of the survey and county fees to have the right to clear the land is far beyond what people can afford so they are resigned to live on a tinderbox. I bet that if given the chance, people would clear the area around their home.

documentation?
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Aug 5, 2018 - 10:00pm PT
A 1,000-acre prescribed burn in Sequoia National Park took the incident commander a third of an almost 40-year career to find a window when all the various factors lined up.

If we had a more wonkish, rational society, we would do more prescribed burns and we would realize that some of the prescribed burns would get out of control and some people's homes would burn but in the long run, far fewer homes would be burn down.

Instead we get slash government spending, cut my taxes, let me live where I want, and the government better not let my house burn down and if it does they better pay to let me rebuild it in the same place.

Same with flooding.

And unfortunately it is going to be same with climate change that is making the fire and flooding worse.

Maybe a forester could weigh in, but I assume with hotter, drier conditions, there are going to be large tracts of forests that are going to eventually convert to shrub/grassland. That conversion is going to involve a lot of wood fuel.
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Aug 6, 2018 - 06:44am PT
Yeah, West. These fires burn so hot that the forest doesn't come back, although I wonder if manual replanting would work. I know that folks are identifying and reproducing pine bark-resistant pines, for example. Clone these mofo's and put 'em to work.

Smoke is back in the Bishop area after a pretty reasonable day yesterday. Fortunately, we can get up high. Going there soon!

BAd
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 6, 2018 - 07:28am PT
Say T

Not real long ago I had both the eaves issue and a wood shake roof!

The Station Fire came within two blocks of the house. We had to get outa Dodge and we were lucky the fire was stopped in it's tracks.

Many houses that burned in San Diego fire(s) started in the eaves. There was a powerful video, but I can't remember where.

I took care of my roof issue, but didn't address the eaves.

There are many products out now. Sample of one

t
Climberdude

Trad climber
Clovis, CA
Aug 6, 2018 - 07:52am PT
Minerals, thanks for the post on the Donnell Fire along Hwy 108. So far it looks like most of the Hwy. 108 climbing areas are not affected, but if this fire goes southwest, then a lot of great climbing areas will be affected.

Huge, mad props to the firefighters out there. Thank you Australia and New Zealand for sending additional firefighters.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Aug 6, 2018 - 07:55am PT
Fourtunatly we were smoke free in the tetons this summer. only smoke we hit was in Ontario. I guess they were having a rough go as well.
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Aug 6, 2018 - 08:02am PT
New fire in the southern Sierra. Lightning caused fire on Anderson Peak, in Monache Meadows. They heloed in a seven man crew.
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Aug 6, 2018 - 08:20am PT
And if Dardanelles got hit bad that means it has moved SW along 108 since the pic posted upthread. That sucks and doesn't look good for Kennedy Meadows either
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 6, 2018 - 08:40am PT
Not to beat a flaming roof back to life, but

"Wind-blown embers, which can travel one mile or more, were the biggest threat to homes in the [2007] Witch Creek Wildfire [San Diego County, CA]. There were few, if any, reports of homes burned as a result of direct contact with flames" from wildland fuels.

http://www.californiachaparral.org/bprotectingyourhome.html
Minerals

Social climber
The Deli
Aug 6, 2018 - 11:59am PT
Ouch... Donnell Fire now listed at 12,000 acres and 1% contained. PCT closed from Hwy 108 to Hwy 4.

https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/6092/

Two more images, the second one as of a few minutes ago.



August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Aug 6, 2018 - 12:15pm PT
Yeah, West. These fires burn so hot that the forest doesn't come back, although I wonder if manual replanting would work. I know that folks are identifying and reproducing pine bark-resistant pines, for example. Clone these mofo's and put 'em to work.

Smoke is back in the Bishop area after a pretty reasonable day yesterday. Fortunately, we can get up high. Going there soon!

BAd

If you have a forest that hasn't burned in 50+ years, there aren't many good options. But if you were doing prescribed burns, you would obviously want to do them in wetter years when things didn't burn so hot. But if you have 50~100 years of accumulated wood fuel, there isn't much margin between being too wet to burn and burning so hot that it kills even mature trees.

My understanding: if the build up around the base of a tree, such as pine needles, is deep enough, then it can smolder for a long time and kill a mature tree that would otherwise have survived a ground (non-canopy) fire.

But I don't think all of those forest should come back. I think the expectation should be that some of those places should come back as scrub land. You might have Joshua trees where you once had pines.
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Aug 6, 2018 - 12:25pm PT
What really sucks around here is that the shade is gone after a hot burn which means the predominant ground cover coming back is mountain whitethorn until shade cover returns
Minerals

Social climber
The Deli
Aug 6, 2018 - 12:42pm PT
You might have Joshua trees where you once had pines.

Give it a few more decades and you might have sand dunes and camels... ; )
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 6, 2018 - 01:47pm PT
Regardless of yer views on fire’s benefits it is imperative to put them out ASAP most of the time. I’ve mentioned this before but it doesn’t seem to resonate. There is a plentiful supply of DC-10s and B747s that are past their prime as far as carrying pax however they have plenty of life left as fire tankers. They can be had for pennies on the dollar and the conversion is reasonable. Why do the retards on both sides of the aisle in Congress find $300 million for an F-35 a ‘good’ price? We could buy and convert 10 ‘heavies’ for one of those POS! For HALF the price of a B-2 we could have 30 heavies based within 2 hours of any fire in the western US. Imagine if 15-20 of them showed up to lay down retardant! Not many fires would stand a snowball’s chance!
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Aug 6, 2018 - 01:59pm PT
^yes, the priorities in washington are generally too skewed towards imaginary threats from abroad rather than realities at home imo.
John M

climber
Aug 6, 2018 - 01:59pm PT
Regardless of yer views on fire’s benefits it is imperative to put them out ASAP most of the time

Perhaps.. if one did extensive prescribed burns and or heavy thinning and vegetation removal. Otherwise we end up with the overgrowth that we are currently dealing with, which makes fires hotter and more destructive. i.e. the yellowstone fire.

I am all for buying more planes and helicopters. But planes aren't the end all. They often can't fly because of smoke. They were grounded many days on the Ferguson fire because of an inversion layer in the weather.

But I do agree, we are going to need more planes and more trained pilots.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 6, 2018 - 02:06pm PT
They often can't fly because of smoke.

If they hit a fire within a few hours there ain’t gonna be no damn smoke! 😉
John M

climber
Aug 6, 2018 - 02:38pm PT
last year the Thomas fire near Ventura started at night and burned 12 miles in a couple of hours. Starting above Santa Paula and burning towards Ventura. At one point the fire was burning one acre per second. It started after dark. ;-) I haven't been able to confirm, but I believe it burned 55,000 acres in 24 hours. Not certain on that. In 3 days it burned 115,000 acres.

Oh.. and the winds were gusting over 70 mph and the hills above Ventura were thick with brush because of fire suppression and no controlled burns.

but I still mostly agree with you. More bombers. Lots more, and hit it hard early. But we will need to do lots of prescribed burns in order to keep our forests from over growing.
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Aug 6, 2018 - 03:06pm PT
Trying to do our part.


Over 3000 dead pines dropped, stacked, dried and winter burned this past February. And those were just from 42 one acre lots. Still have another 80 lots being cleaned this summer.

(One pile of four).
John M

climber
Aug 6, 2018 - 03:15pm PT
Fake smoke!!!! ^^^^
John M

climber
Aug 6, 2018 - 04:18pm PT
That really sucks DMT. Its been years since I have been up that way. I always love seeing those old resorts. I am jealous of those who got to experience them 50+ years ago. We spent most of our vacations in Yosemite and it was fantastic.
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 6, 2018 - 05:10pm PT


my friends who lived there in the 1970's moved to Santa Barbara

Holy Thomas Fire batzmin





Anyway


Are the marijuana crops endangered? Just curious.


Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Aug 6, 2018 - 05:50pm PT
Glanced at an article in either the SFGate or SacBee site about 3 growers near the Mendocino Fire who refused to leave - said they had to water their plants.

For you who abide of outdoor grown - be aware of the contamination that exists in cannabis flowers once exposed to smoke and ash. Statewide testing should catch most of the junk, but I came across a lot of filthy garbage weed after last year's Thomas Fire. So much for naturally grown huh?

Which is why us Hydroponic Growers will tell you - "Dirt is Dirty."

stevep

Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
Aug 6, 2018 - 07:22pm PT
Are the marijuana crops endangered? Just curious.

Is that why we're all feeling mildly buzzed downwind here in SLC?

Seriously, stop it with the fires already...the smoke haze here in Salt Lake has been terrible for days now.
jonnyrig

climber
Aug 6, 2018 - 08:56pm PT
Some aftermath from the Perry fire, near myself and Rick. Small compared to other fires at only 51000 acres; but thankful to the fire crews working this one. My property was lucky. Others, not so much.

10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Aug 6, 2018 - 09:07pm PT
New fire in the southern Sierra. Lightning caused fire on Anderson Peak, in Monache Meadows. They heloed in a seven man crew.

This fire has been contained.
Minerals

Social climber
The Deli
Aug 6, 2018 - 09:49pm PT
Thanks for the photos, jonnyrig.


Donnell at 13,200 and 2%.

Couple more images from this afternoon...

There appear to be two spot fires off to the east of the main fire, and the southern one is almost 3 miles east of the main fire. Not sure if it’s an actual spot fire that far away from the main fire, or a data error. Maybe find out with tomorrow’s Inciweb mapping.

Inciweb now lists an estimated containment date of September 1st for this fire. Ugg.




The Ranch Fire looks like it was pretty active on its northern edge today.



And the Holy Diver Fire in SoCal.

Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 7, 2018 - 08:15am PT
Welcome to the new reality.

We saw a fire just off of Hwy 3 in B.C., east of Manning Park. It was 100 degrees there.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 7, 2018 - 08:21am PT
We were on a hike in Manning BITD when a good sized fire started on the ridge opposite us! For two days we watched it climb the ridge during the day and then lie down at night. The wind blew the smoke away from us so it was no probs. It never showed signs of jumping the large valley between so we carried on and nobody came for us, not that anybody cared. 🤨
looking sketchy there...

Social climber
Lassitude 33
Aug 7, 2018 - 10:51am PT
Hey Mike.

The Holy Fire is very bad news. We are sending best wishes that it stays out of Holy Jim Canyon and remains limited to more remote areas.
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Aug 7, 2018 - 11:05am PT
Anyone know how Khanom and Vicky are doing with the fires in their area?
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Aug 7, 2018 - 12:11pm PT
Got gas at that pump two weeks ago.

:( :( <- that's for sure

Do you know if the 'Trail of Ancient Dwarfs' got roached?

We used to hit that place for ice cream after MTB-ing Eagle Pass or climbing Disappear Fear rock.

Damn
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 7, 2018 - 01:04pm PT
Ash on our cars from the Holy Fire 50 miles away!
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 7, 2018 - 03:13pm PT
i still recall ash in Mammoth from the volcano

not a Fiat

neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 7, 2018 - 03:31pm PT
hey there say, ... yeah, please let us know about khanom and vickie...

also, thanks again, for the updates...
Minerals

Social climber
The Deli
Aug 7, 2018 - 03:37pm PT
Re. Ferguson Fire, MODIS is now showing new fire activity to the north of Hwy 120, above the Reed’s Pinnacle area and to the west. Can anyone confirm this?



The Donnell Fire appeared to cool down a bit overnight, but is picking back up this afternoon.



And there is apparently a new fire in the Feather River Canyon, around Rock Creek Reservoir. MODIS is showing two fresh hot spots. It’s listed as the Murphy Fire on the Cal Fire state map, but no info, and nothing on Inciweb yet.
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 7, 2018 - 06:17pm PT

Eeilly in the sky with retardant?

Holy Jim Fire

[Click to View YouTube Video]
john hansen

climber
Aug 7, 2018 - 10:29pm PT
It looks like it has burned around Park Line Slab and past Arch Rock and the Entrance Station.

From the lines on the latest maps I think it is close to Cookie Cliff ,

Burned up all the way between 120 at the valley view, and 140.

Going to Yosemite will never be the same..
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 8, 2018 - 09:18am PT
neebee, looking at the fire map just above, Hopping Rabbit Farm is in no danger from the Ferg fire. It's way south from Vick & Eric.
John M

climber
Aug 8, 2018 - 09:24am PT
https://www.facebook.com/SierraNF/videos/2236317193305548/

video of parks fire chief doing a report on the fire. ( 4 minutes ) Sounds very promising. They are fighting the fire direct near Badger, and near Foresta. Thats good news as it means that it is moving slow enough that they feel safe putting people directly on it.
looking sketchy there...

Social climber
Lassitude 33
Aug 8, 2018 - 10:23am PT
For those interested, camera live streaming from atop Santiago Peak showing the Holy Fire.

[Click to View YouTube Video]
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 8, 2018 - 10:47am PT
https://www.sierrastar.com/news/local/article216226095.html
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 8, 2018 - 01:09pm PT
hey there say, ... THANK you mouse, for news update, as to both of them, and the area, as well...

welcome back, from your 'small vacation' ... ;)
Minerals

Social climber
The Deli
Aug 8, 2018 - 04:56pm PT
Thanks, DustyD. I thought the Ferguson spots might be errors but was curious enough to ask anyways. I find the MODIS stuff interesting, but don’t have enough experience with it to have a good sense of what’s possibly accurate and what’s most likely in error. I do like the fact that it can sometimes provide info ahead of the daily fire perimeter maps, and show where the hot spots are.


Holy Diver appears to be continuing to grow...

Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Aug 8, 2018 - 05:18pm PT
Welp, the forest says "We gonna burn!" and they meant it. Damn. Gotta be the worst fire year on record for Cali? Hiked high today in clear air above the smoked filled Owen's, but two days ago, same hike, a lot of smoke. I just don't see this ending until it rains/snows. Gaaaaah.

BAd
Minerals

Social climber
The Deli
Aug 8, 2018 - 05:33pm PT
Another fire burning NE of Balloon Dome in Mammoth Pool country, looks bad too.

That’s the Lions Fire – lightning strike June 11th. It wasn’t doing too much for a while but appears to have picked up over the last few days.

https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/5850/

JOEY.F

Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
Aug 8, 2018 - 05:42pm PT
Any chance of escaping smoke up at South Lake, Sabrina, ?
Seems just bad all around.
Edit below, wow dmt. Smokey smoke all over. Seen some Mendocino complex clouds like that here as well.
Minerals

Social climber
The Deli
Aug 8, 2018 - 09:46pm PT
Thanks for the photos, DMT. Great views.

You can see the metavolcanic choss heaps of Ritter and Banner on the left side of your 8th photo. Nice.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Aug 9, 2018 - 05:35pm PT
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Aug 9, 2018 - 08:48pm PT
^^^^I see a bear cub head laying atop a pillow of down.

10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Aug 9, 2018 - 09:06pm PT
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/aug/07/california-wildfires-megafires-future-climate-change
looking sketchy there...

Social climber
Lassitude 33
Aug 9, 2018 - 09:24pm PT
All day, dark clouds have obscured the Santa Anas from view (think Mordor). But tonight, they are visible and the fire has moved north and back up the eastern side of the Mt. Range and is cresting the ridge. These were taken from the balcony just now (in Laguna Canyon area).

The pictures show an area of the Mts. that is Modjeska Peak (Santiago Peak is the red dot on the right side of the picture), as viewed from the west


neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 9, 2018 - 09:31pm PT
hey there say, Ricky D... say, i see it too...


wish it was just 'harmless cloud artwork' ... :(
at that...


thanks for all the update, everyone...
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Aug 11, 2018 - 02:46pm PT
the Ferguson fire MODIS has me a bit confused and scared
looks easy from here

climber
Ben Lomond, CA
Aug 12, 2018 - 01:09pm PT
Is anyone else having trouble with inciweb, or is it just me?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 12, 2018 - 01:17pm PT
Not you, it sucks.
looks easy from here

climber
Ben Lomond, CA
Aug 12, 2018 - 01:18pm PT
Thanks for confirming.
Lennox

climber
in the land of the blind
Aug 12, 2018 - 01:45pm PT
They are calling the "combined" River and Ranch
fires in Mendocino the largest in CA history. However, I
have yet to find a map that shows the fires have actually
joined. The maps accompanying the articles still show
them as separate. Anybody have an explanation as to
why they are calling it one fire when it isn't?

Well, isn’t it obvious Jody?

The second largest and the largest fires in California
history are in 2 consecutive years? Really?

This so-called Mendocino Complex Fire is actually not 1,
not 2, but 37 separate fires that have been lassoed together
in the fake, unfair, lying MSM to create the impression that
this is part of what they call an “extreme weather event”
which is, according to those fat cat globalist UN lackey
“scientists,” supposed to be more common under
climate change hysteria.

This is clearly part of a conspiracy between deep state
forest service employees, AGW fanatics, Antifa, BLM and
Hillary Clinton to foist their fraudulent global warming hoax
on a gullible public.

Several fire fighters have already “accidentally” died fighting
these fires. They would have exposed the truth—how many
more must die for Hillary’s lies?

Good catch Jody, I’m surprised Q anon isn’t all over this to
make sure all true patriots can be confident that “it is a known
fact.”

[Click to View YouTube Video]
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Aug 12, 2018 - 02:55pm PT
The fires are being used as a cover to burn the fetal body parts from Hillary's pizzeria . If you look carefully you will notice the parts being dropped from the tankers mixed in with pepperoni and retardent....
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 12, 2018 - 03:46pm PT
https://www.abc10.com/article/news/local/donnell-fire-destroys-popular-dardanelle-mountain-resort/103-581857028
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Aug 12, 2018 - 11:07pm PT
The fires are being used as a cover to burn the fetal body parts from Hillary's pizzeria . If you look carefully you will notice the parts being dropped from the tankers mixed in with pepperoni and retardent....
so here's a question. how do they know the babies were retarded and if they weren't isn't it irresponsible to use them as fire retardant. for all we know they were perfectly healthy babies and they're just adding fuel to the fire.
f'n obummer's fault
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Aug 13, 2018 - 12:25am PT
sadly we must stop all this nonsense because the ranch fire all by itself is now the single biggest fire at 287,479 acres. the river fire is still below 50k and nearing full containment.

but to answer your question, it has to do with how the fires are being managed and this is based on proximity, which usually ends up as merging but not always.
https://www.nwcg.gov/sites/default/files/memos/eb-m-16-024a.pdf

And to be honest, prior to that search I had not heard of the National Wildfire Coordinating Group
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Aug 13, 2018 - 10:02am PT
Is anyone else having trouble with inciweb, or is it just me?

3000 acre Boyds fire started Saturday. Not a peep on inciweb. I wonder how often they update. I rely on regional reports.

http://www.wildcad.net/WCWA-NEC.htm

Same with the Grass Valley fire near Coulee Dam. 75,000+ acres. Nada.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Aug 13, 2018 - 02:52pm PT
Forest Service quote on the on again off again Lions fire..." a controlled fire is not a contained fire " or something like that...
otisdog

Social climber
Sierra Madre, Ca.
Aug 13, 2018 - 07:21pm PT
Might not be on Inciweb because it's different jurisdiction ?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 14, 2018 - 08:24am PT
A Utah firefighter has died on the Mendocino fire.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 14, 2018 - 01:04pm PT
dee ee

Mountain climber
Of THIS World (Planet Earth)
Aug 14, 2018 - 01:19pm PT
Thanks for the vid link Mike.

Yes, we are heartbroken about this tragedy.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 16, 2018 - 08:13am PT
Many photos from the Carr fire at this link.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ocean-of-compassion-support-pours-in-for-couple-who-accidentally-started-deadly-carr-fire/ar-BBLZ8ix?ocid=spartandhp#image=BBLZeVP|2
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 16, 2018 - 10:49pm PT
hey there say, DMT... oh my, :O
thanks for the aerial photo...

:(

gives more insight... hard to comprehend, of course...
thank you again...
Minerals

Social climber
The Deli
Aug 17, 2018 - 08:30pm PT
DMT, I can see your house in that image, and you are standing in the driveway!
sempervirens

climber
Aug 18, 2018 - 12:07pm PT
Can anyone give me a report on the air quality around Redding and Mt Shasta?? Smoky? Hazy? Thanks.
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Aug 18, 2018 - 01:50pm PT
https://tools.airfire.org/airtools/v1/pnw-smoke.html?lat=47.3&lng=-119.5&zoom=6

I have been using this interactive map here in Washington. Click and drag to move it to Cali. It updates often. Click the circles or triangles for more info.
sempervirens

climber
Aug 18, 2018 - 04:02pm PT
Thanks Wayno. That helps.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
Wilds of New Mexico
Aug 20, 2018 - 09:01am PT
Interesting article on air tankers:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/too-few-fire-bombers-as-western-states-burn-this-summer/2018/08/19/a9b1c614-a337-11e8-83d2-70203b8d7b44_story.html?utm_term=.e4e44a53eb08

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 20, 2018 - 09:04am PT
I’ve been beating that dead horse for years. See my post on this a few pages back:

Regardless of yer views on fire’s benefits it is imperative to put them out ASAP most of the time. I’ve mentioned this before but it doesn’t seem to resonate. There is a plentiful supply of DC-10s and B747s that are past their prime as far as carrying pax however they have plenty of life left as fire tankers. They can be had for pennies on the dollar and the conversion is reasonable. Why do the retards on both sides of the aisle in Congress find $300 million for an F-35 a ‘good’ price? We could buy and convert 10 ‘heavies’ for one of those POS! For HALF the price of a B-2 we could have 30 heavies based within 2 hours of any fire in the western US. Imagine if 15-20 of them showed up to lay down retardant! Not many fires would stand a snowball’s chance!

Of course logistics are a sticking point but we could have massive retardant tanks placed at strategic sites throughout the west within one hour or less flying time so that 5 747’s could work a fire and be hitting it with a drop every 12 minutes* once they got into a rhythm. Ten heavies would be dropping every 6 minutes! Of course then some hand wringing Center For Biological Diversity tard would complain about them snuffing out some chigger’s habitat.

*Yeah, I get that they have to land, tank up, and TO but you get the idea.
John M

climber
Aug 20, 2018 - 09:33am PT
So if we go back to snuffing every fire quickly, which we used to do, then how do we deal with an overgrown forest?

I am not against paying for more planes, I'm just wondering what you would do about an overgrown forest. Logging doesn't work in every type woodland.

Edit: to add pilots to the system, I think that we should cross train our military bomber pilots and use them. The more they fly, the better pilot that they will be.
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Aug 20, 2018 - 09:41am PT
Regardless of yer views on fire’s benefits it is imperative to put them out ASAP most of the time.
which is exactly the line of thinking that got us here.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 20, 2018 - 09:43am PT
John, valid concerns but every problem has a solution, except for the problem of inaction.
The pilot shortage is a real one especially as you need pilots who actually know how to fly,
as opposed to the majority who only know how to program the autopilot. If we had a unified
air tanker command which paid well with gubmint pensions that could compete with the airlines
then that would likely solve that problem. The real problem, as usual, lies in Washington, DC.

gumby, you have your ‘Do Not Disturb’ sign on yer front door for yer local fire dept?
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Aug 20, 2018 - 09:58am PT
The Lions fire west of Mammoth has been burning since June 10th. Lightning caused, nothing but wilderness, letting it burn.
as the majority of naturally caused fires should be.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Aug 20, 2018 - 11:10am PT
The argument that the fires exist because of a 'forest management' problem is just a buyin to climate change denial. Sure, there is poor management in places, but climate change is what is drying things out. This is not going to end well. Talking about forest management without talking about climate change is like talking about the safety of GMO foods without mentioning pesticides.
Batrock

Trad climber
Burbank
Aug 20, 2018 - 11:16am PT
Mchale, I was fireman for 30 years, I am not saying climate change doesn't have something to do with it but at least in the west poor tactics is a big player. We in the fire service have known it for years and knew that we were going to end up paying a very high price for it. Just because I am saying we have managed our firefighting tactics poorly for that last 100 years doesn't make me a climate denier.

McHale, don't forget the fire triangle, heat, fuel and O2. Increased heat due to climate change, massive increase in fuel load due squashing every fire as soon as it starts. We are getting fires year round now due to dry fuels and increased fuel load but heat isn't always part of the deal in mid winter fires.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
Wilds of New Mexico
Aug 20, 2018 - 11:27am PT
I think some sort of unified agency makes sense. I'd argue for a mix of aircraft, I don't think it's realistic or necessary to use huge jets on many fires. I don't know if there is a pilot shortage, though it is definitely a different type of person than those that fly airliners!

Arizona (I think it is a P3):

McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Aug 20, 2018 - 11:51am PT
Just because I am saying we have managed our firefighting tactics poorly for that last 100 years doesn't make me a climate denier.

Don't feel too badly about f*#king up the fire-fighting. This is about climate change. I'll let you off the hook. Humans are having such a profound effect on the climate through the burning of CO2 that we don't really need to discuss poor forest management. THAT is just a distraction. We are f*#ked two ways to Sunday because of the larger picture. This has been barreling down on us for awhile now - lots of warnings. We have been warned about climate change. Forest management is part of the little picture and it's just too late anyway to do much about that. The forests really can't be saved now - they will be a changin.
Batrock

Trad climber
Burbank
Aug 20, 2018 - 12:01pm PT
Mchale, I was just a soldier in the fight. I retired out of the fire station at the mouth of Big Tujunga on Wentworth just a year ago. We had been asking our department for years to let stuff burn if safe to do so and they shot it down. We in the field started a unwritten policy of letting stuff burn as much as possible before the chiefs arrived and started yelling at us. We knew if we didn't let stuff burn it would be that much worse the next season. The Vedugo Hills fire is a prime example, the La Tuna side hadn't burned good in recent memory and we all knew that if it ever took off there would be no stopping it and thats exactly what happened. Thankfully the La tuna Fire wasn't a wind driven fire or we would have lost a thousand homes on the La Tuna side and the Burbank side.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Aug 20, 2018 - 12:14pm PT
The big fight now is Climate Change. Thinning the forests and forest management, as important as they are, take a back seat to the larger f*#k up…..that we are being told to not pay attention to. It would be laughable if it wasn't so tragic.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Aug 20, 2018 - 12:19pm PT
Back seat is still in the car. I'm with Reilly, the fires need to be put out. They are just a feedback making climate change even worse. There are almost too many to do anything about. We don't have the resources, anymore than we have the will to do anything about climate change, or even accept its existence.
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Aug 20, 2018 - 12:34pm PT
The argument that the fires exist because of a 'forest management' problem is just a buyin to climate change denial. Sure, there is poor management in places, but climate change is what is drying things out.
This is simply not true. Climate change probably is making things a tad bit dryer, and the fire season a tiny bit longer. But the far, far bigger problem as it relates to fires is overgrowth.
Here's an example. The numbers are made up but it should make it easy to see.
Climate change = 1 degree hotter and 5% less water for the trees.
Overgrowth = twice as many trees equals 100% increase in water required
Overgrowth = dead trees littering the understory
Overgrowth = susceptibility to disease and infestation
Overgrowth = Ladder fuels everywhere
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Aug 20, 2018 - 12:37pm PT
This might be an interesting side-note. A few years back I was interested in the Mountain Man/Fur Trapper era of history, generally 1820-1880. I probably read about two dozen books in a couple of years. I can't specifically quote the references but I can remember at least five different times reading about how puzzled the white trappers and explorers were that the native peoples started fires wherever they went. It added to their puzzlement of the cultures they interacted with. What were they thinking? Very few whites understood why. In hindsight it seems the fires helped what we now consider healthy forests. In reality their motives were not ecological but rather economical in the simplest terms. It made it easier to hunt and bison prefer grassland to forests. The fires could and would get real big sometimes and the descriptions of the smokiness reminds me what I have been experiencing as of late.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Aug 20, 2018 - 12:43pm PT
There are so many people burning fossil fuels now that we need to manage that. That's where the real unseen fire is. IT is enormous, and it is having a profound effect. The other fires are just a trickle down from that. Nobody is arguing that we shouldn't get the show on the road and take better care of forests - but the real fight will be saving the atmosphere so that it works for humans.

As far as putting out forest fires to quell the feedback loop I mentioned earlier - that may be a bit silly. The larger picture of fossil fuel burning is so exponentially larger. I maintain that the fire problem is a symptom of the much larger fossil fuel fire, and to not mention climate change while discussing forest management is silly.
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Aug 20, 2018 - 01:19pm PT
It is funny how we humans make judgements on systems we can barely understand a fraction of and to make it worse, apply our feelings/perceptions to the system. A tenth of a degree to a forest ecosystem might equal 10 degrees in the human system. People are easily fooled via their own feelings and understanding about themselves. A reason the scientific method is so valuable, almost as valuable as humility.

Knowing it all is the classic inverse reality of humanity in the internet/EGO time that we live in.

August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Aug 20, 2018 - 04:40pm PT
There are so many people burning fossil fuels now that we need to manage that. That's where the real unseen fire is. IT is enormous, and it is having a profound effect. The other fires are just a trickle down from that. Nobody is arguing that we shouldn't get the show on the road and take better care of forests - but the real fight will be saving the atmosphere so that it works for humans.

As far as putting out forest fires to quell the feedback loop I mentioned earlier - that may be a bit silly. The larger picture of fossil fuel burning is so exponentially larger. I maintain that the fire problem is a symptom of the much larger fossil fuel fire, and to not mention climate change while discussing forest management is silly.

The world faces a lot of problems/challenges.

I agree that climate change is a much bigger issue than forest management.

But Cal fire isn't going to solve climate change. And even if, in the unlikely event, fairly radical action was taken on climate change, there is a lot of climate change already baked in.

As far as keeping CA homes from burning down, California needs to take a hard look at forest management, along with building codes and maybe even where homes are allowed to be built.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Aug 20, 2018 - 04:51pm PT
True^^^^^^ :>)

I didn't mean to say that solving climate change will put out the fires. I'm mostly tired of the two not getting linked, or when they are linked, climate change gets minimized and forest management gets most the blame. Republican finger prints are all over that. Poor forest management to a Republican is nothing but a scapegoat to not recognize climate change. Republicans won't lift a finger to do anything about forest management. They just want their talking points....yes, the same Republicans that want to keep California from determining its own level of fossil fuel emissions, CAFE standards, that at least 12 other states were going to follow.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 25, 2018 - 08:37am PT
So ya thought rattlers, ticks, and widow-makers make firefighting tough? Think again - in a forest near Berlin German firefighters are facing WWII ordnance that is being set off by the fire! 😳

Page 2: Rain is expected today over much of British Columbia!
hooblie

climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
Aug 26, 2018 - 04:06pm PT
a conflagration by any other name ...

i laid eyes on my 98 year old great grandma, born in pennsylvania before the first oil well.

i don't care if you want to push the date of peak oil down the road a decade or two or twenty,
the newborns i'll lay eyes upon will, in rough terms, witness the tapered end of the petroleum era.

the idea that i might have laid eyes on every generation to participate in the so called "petroleum era,"
when considered relative to the scope of geologic time, brings to mind the flash of white phosphorus
looks easy from here

climber
Ben Lomond, CA
Aug 27, 2018 - 10:09am PT
I flew from San Jose to Vancouver last week, and the entire flight both directions (a week apart) was over a nearly impenetrable blanket of smoke. In 800+ miles only Baker, Rainier, Adams and Hood poked through (and I assume Shasta probably did, too, but it was on the wrong side).
labrat

Trad climber
Erik O. Auburn, CA
Sep 5, 2018 - 06:10pm PT
Thanks for the heads up. I was planning on heading up I5 on Sunday. Maybe I'll have to take a different route... Hwy 139 probably

Hope people stay safe up there!
G_Gnome

Trad climber
Cali
Sep 6, 2018 - 09:51am PT
Also be aware of the Boot fire that has closed 395 between Bridgeport and Topaz Lake. It is already ay 4,600 acres with 0 containment.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 22, 2018 - 11:25pm PT
hey there say, all...

saw this a lot earlier...

most of you must know of it, by now...

hope all will be well:



https://sierranewsonline.com/firefighters-on-scene-of-fire-burning-northeast-of-ahwahnee/
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Nov 8, 2018 - 10:08am PT
*
Very dark and foreboding all morning...The fire is well over 1000 acres, some reports say 5000 acres now. Have also heard a report that there are possibly two fires, the big one in the feather canyon in Pulga and another fire on Concow rim rd...?

None of my picture came out this morning ..My friend took this photo from her neighborhood in Chico... Picture taken 25 minutes ago.
)-;
TLP

climber
Nov 8, 2018 - 01:49pm PT
A couple months ago, hooblie wrote
the idea that i might have laid eyes on every generation to participate in the so called "petroleum era,"
when considered relative to the scope of geologic time, brings to mind the flash of white phosphorus
So true! and it is mind-boggling. If it were in the fossil record, the abruptness and scale of the change in the Earth's ecosystems from burning all that fuel would look exactly like some humongous scale volcanic cataclysm, or another really big asteroid impact. Yikes.

More imminently, for a lot of the central and southern Sierra west side, it's not worth spending any money at all on "forest management" whatever that would be (usually means, carry on logging as before but with a requirement to pile some of the slash so it can be burned later at someone else's expense, maybe leave a few scattered trees). The climate ship has totally left the dock for that big area: it will not be forest at all in a few decades, instead it will be a shrub-dominated landscape. The amount of dead trees is astonishing, and there's not much conifer or oak regeneration happening in a lot of the area. Some, just not much. Some oak regeneration at lower elevations, but it will be consumed in the next fire to come along. Conifer forest can persist with an open understory and withstand frequent (10-30 yr) ground fires, but oak woodland doesn't. It just burns up.

There's some possibility of managing fuels in the forests further north and someday tweaking them back to the frequent-ground-fire model, but unless there's a universal acceptance of having lots of fires throughout the forested Sierra, all the time, every year, things won't get any better at all. Widespread human-caused fire has been the rule throughout the Sierra from the very beginning, some 10,000 years ago. There is no pristine pre-human condition - the entire place was inhabited by arsonist illegal immigrants right away.
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Nov 8, 2018 - 01:51pm PT
*
I met fire refugees who fled Paradise & Magalia hunkering down in the Costco parking lot ...Saw lots of scary photos....Evacuees told me the town and surrounding area of Paradise is in flames...The 4 people i talked with told me their homes were gone and the fire is 3/4 down the Skyway, which is one of the exits out of their town... They just evacuated Butte creek canyon and earlier today had already evacuated the Concow area.

Chico is still dark.. with the smoke staying high in the sky...I was actually riding my bike with back flashers on and my front bike lights on to be visible.

The dark sky in chico...Above Sierra Nevada Brewery.
Hopfields at SNB..clear sky in the distance.
johntp

Trad climber
Little Rock and Loving It
Nov 8, 2018 - 03:52pm PT
Hate to say it but it looks like Paradise may be lost,
hope all made it out safely and no lives were lost.

Hang tough Butte County.


Edit; 18,000 acres 0 containment

This is a crazy fire. Entire neighborhoods gone up. I'd be surprised and joyous if there are no fatalities.
John M

climber
Nov 8, 2018 - 04:30pm PT
Butte county sheriff just reported that there are reports of casualties. They have not confirmed it yet. There are a lot of retirees in Paradise. I looked at moving there a few years ago. My family has friends there.

Does anyone know of a live feed of the fire?
John M

climber
Nov 8, 2018 - 04:45pm PT
watching kRCR.. I was hoping to find a live copter feed.

John M

climber
Nov 8, 2018 - 04:48pm PT
I'm very surprised that Sacramento doesn't appear to have sent a copter. I checked a number of sacramento tv stations and can't find one.

getting dark.. so I will look tomorrow.

I knew that little redding doesn't have a news copter. :-) I was hoping for one from Sacramento.
John M

climber
Nov 8, 2018 - 05:23pm PT
I have probably told Nita 20 or 30 times that I would never move up there as there is little to no city planning; hundreds of long, narrow roads that do not allow two cars to pass on. And all those roads lead to 1 of 3 major roads that get shut down with even a minor snow storm.

thats why I chose not to move there. Way too many people on a small ridge with few ways out.

In the new conference on KRCR the head of the hospital in Paradise said the roof of the emergency room was on fire as he evacuated the last of the patients. Some ambulances were scalded by the fire and some burned up according to him. It must have been just crazy up there. There are pictures of multiple businesses burning.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Nov 8, 2018 - 10:30pm PT
Sounds really bad. Stay save Andy and Nita, thinking about you and hoping they get a handle on this fire. A campfire it is not!
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Nov 9, 2018 - 12:36am PT
hey there say, timid... thank you for the update...
oh my... :(


no words... :(


say, also, is there a fire down south more, near ventura area???

thought i heard two folks mention this... ??
unless i got mixed up...

thank you for any info... and updates...

prayers for all concerned...
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 9, 2018 - 07:24am PT
Inciweb doesn’t even have the Camp Fire listed! WTF?
John M

climber
Nov 9, 2018 - 07:29am PT
Inciweb is for federally managed fires. This is a Cal Fire incident. There is no website that monitors all fires.

No new update yet on cal Fire, but KRCR is saying its at 70,000 acres.

Its burned all the way to highway 99. Some reports that it has crossed it, but that is unconfirmed. Also looks like its close to the southeast border of Chico. Thankfully winds near Chico are low so the fire crews believe that they can keep it out of Chico.

http://www.fire.ca.gov/current_incidents/incidentdetails/Index/2277

Edit: anyone know what might be keeping me from posting photos? I keep getting an error message when I try to post a photo downloaded from my computer.

Unknown result :
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sempervirens

climber
Nov 9, 2018 - 07:31am PT
http://www.fire.ca.gov/current_incidents/incidentdetails/Index/2277

Riley, it's a Calfire incident. The above link includes it, not that it gives much more info, but hopefully it gets updated frequently.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 9, 2018 - 07:44am PT
Thanks, there seems remarkably little info available. I realize it is chaotic but still...
A bit of good news is the NWS says winds are light and not expected to greatly increase
during the day although, of course, the fire may have the last word on that. Bad news is winds
are strong around Malibu.
crusher

climber
Santa Monica, CA
Nov 9, 2018 - 08:07am PT
Go to calfire for info on the fires here in Ventura county and northern LA County. I can’t find good maps on it though. I’m in Ventura right now...there are mandatory evacuation orders for many places along the 101 through to the coast, including all of Malibu all the way up to County Line. My 96 year old grandmother left Westlake village last night and is safe thank goodness.

We’ve got red flag warnings until at least 6:00 tonight. 0 containment right now. These are the Hill fire and Woolsey fire.

Stay safe everyone and my best wishes for everyone up in the Paradise and Chico areas.
WBraun

climber
Nov 9, 2018 - 08:13am PT
HO LEE SH!T !!!!!
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 9, 2018 - 08:31am PT
#Campfire
WBraun

climber
Nov 9, 2018 - 08:32am PT
And they call THAT a camp fire ^^^^^

More HO LEE SH!T !!!!!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 9, 2018 - 08:33am PT
70,000 acres and into the outskirts of Chico.
2000 firefighters ain’t gonna cut it.
WBraun

climber
Nov 9, 2018 - 08:58am PT
2000 firefighters ain’t gonna cut it.

Yep! It's now dependent on providence ......
John M

climber
Nov 9, 2018 - 09:08am PT
Just heard an incredible story on krcr..

A couple that just moved to Paradise Ca from New Mexico woke up to smoke. Called one neighbor who told them to not worry. Fires happen but it would be okay. 5 minutes later another neighbor calls and said.. get out, you have 5 minutes. So they loaded up and left. They headed towards the hospital but realized it was the wrong direction as the hospital was on fire. Turned around and as they were passing their house the fire was at the house next to theirs. They finally escape after 5 hours through harrowing scenes. In one a utility pole just missed their vehicle by feet as it fell.

After escaping they receive a phone call. It is a nurse sending them a picture asking them if it was their house. It was. The nurse had been in an ambulance evacuating patients from the hospital in Paradise. The ambulance got stuck and burned up. They escaped on foot and found this couples home not yet on fire and broke in and started watering down the roof. They eventually escaped and called the couple after they were safe. So it must have happened minutes after the couple had passed their home.
WBraun

climber
Nov 9, 2018 - 10:24am PT
More ^^^^ HO LEE SH!T !!!!!
Barbarian

climber
Nov 9, 2018 - 10:59am PT
My best friend evacuated with his daughter yesterday. He lost his house, business, and all his possessions except what he was able to stuff into his motor home. He had 40 minutes warning, and barely escaped with flames around and behind him.
He is currently parked in Chico trying to process his loss and see the path forward. We had a rough phone call this morning. It was not the first time we've cried together.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 9, 2018 - 11:52am PT

Ho Lee Phuk! Time to jump in the ocean!
Barbarian

climber
Nov 9, 2018 - 11:57am PT
I spoke to my friend this morning, and his concerns were with others in the community. His family are all accounted for and safe. His home and business were insured. He lost possessions, but will recover and thrive.
So many in Paradise are not as good a position.
G_Gnome

Trad climber
Cali
Nov 9, 2018 - 11:59am PT
Looks like Malibu is going to get it bad. We'll see over the rest of the day. I think that this fire isn't going to stop for anything until it hits the Pacific Ocean.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 9, 2018 - 12:04pm PT

That’s Malibu
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Nov 9, 2018 - 12:11pm PT
And our fire proposition SS got defeated here in San Diego County, Valley Center area. It would have provided a new, centrally located fire station with funds for equipment and more fire fighters.

What a crazy world we live in on numerous levels. How to prepare the grand kids?
labrat

Trad climber
Erik O. Auburn, CA
Nov 9, 2018 - 12:19pm PT
"How to prepare the grand kids?"

Have them watch movies like Road Warrior and Red Dawn and train them to survive......
WBraun

climber
Nov 9, 2018 - 12:50pm PT
Yikes !!!!

MORE HO LEE SH!T !!!!

Californica is going down in flames ......
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 9, 2018 - 12:53pm PT
Ya gotta feel for all those poor Malibuites fleeing.
They had to decide whether to take the Bentley or the Aston!
And the Westin and Intercontinental can only hold so many.
WBraun

climber
Nov 9, 2018 - 12:56pm PT
My sister lives in Malibu oh oh more HO LEE SH!T .....
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 9, 2018 - 01:04pm PT


https://lawestmedia.com/lawest/woolsey-fire-jumps-freeway-evacuations/

It's not going down in flames. It's going up in flames.

Hope your sister is okay, Werner.

The Woolsey Fire exploded to more than 10,000 acres overnight, driven by 50- to 60-mph winds that helped propel the flames southward across the Ventura (101) Freeway in the Liberty Canyon area early Friday. Although an unknown number of structures have been destroyed, there were no reports of any injuries to firefighters or residents as of mid-morning Friday.

Evacuation orders were imposed overnight affecting tens of thousands of residents in both counties, and at 10 a.m. Friday, mandatory evacuation orders were expanded to include the entire city of Malibu. The order includes the area south of the 101 Freeway from the Ventura County line east to Las Virgenes/Malibu Canyon Road, and as far south as the Pacific Ocean.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 9, 2018 - 01:58pm PT
That's a shot I was surfing around for earlier, Dingus.^^^
psykokid

Mountain climber
Pasadena
Nov 9, 2018 - 02:13pm PT
My inlaws live on the far eastern side of Paradise, just east of the intersection on Pentz Rd and Wagstaff. You go due east from their house and and you are in the west fork of the feather river canyon in no time flat. They sold their place down here in LA and moved up there in early 2017. My FIL wanted to live up near Lake Almanor and Chester but my MIL needed something a little more civilized so they compromised on Paradise...

My MIL called my wife yesterday around 8:30 and told them they were getting evacuated. According to my wife it just sounded like there was a big brush fire down the street. It wasnt until a short time later my wife started googling and came to the realization that it was much, much worse than here mom had let on. They left their house at the same time, my MIL got routed down one way in her car and my FIL ended up being sent down another. MIL cleared the fire area around between noon & 13:00. Took him until almost 15:00 to clear the fire area, and due to the cluster of everyone fleeing he wasnt able to meet back up with my MIL until after 17:00.

Looking at some of the fire maps it's very likely that their house is gone. Here's a map and the circled IR hotspot is just north of their house.


My FIL's brother lives in Forest Ranch and they evac'd out to their cabin up in Chester last night, just in case..
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Nov 9, 2018 - 03:00pm PT
hey there say, all...

no words... but-- thanks for the updates...


:(


*good to hear from you, barbarian... so more than good, to
hear that your best friend got out...


:( sadness for those lost... :(
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Nov 9, 2018 - 08:26pm PT
My heart goes out to the people of the Paradise area. It's shocking to me how quickly that fire spread.

I've been lucky in that the only serious fire in my neck of the woods (Castle Rock State Park area) was the fire a year ago in the bottom of my canyon. It was obscured from my view by the intervening ridge and vegetation so I didn't see it right away. We got the reverse 911 call after dark just about the time we could hear the first CalFire engines and helicopters. We didn't see flames for smoke. It only took us about 2 minutes to decide to evacuate and 15 more to get ready. Fortunately we knew pretty much what to take, closed all our windows and skylights. Made certain all doors were secured. Took about 3 suitcases of stuff, tossed it into our two cars and locked the door on the way out to Los Gatos. I think the whole thing took not more than 20 minutes to get into the cars. Fortunately we had done an earthquake drill a few months before so knew exactly what to take.
Got the last motel room in Los Gatos. And a funky one it was too.
So it CAN happen to you and don't even think about it. Get the F***K out ASAP and don't look back.
It turned out that the fire never got past the big ridge at the bottom of my canyon. The 100+ homes development on the top of the ridge to the south of me were under mandatory evacuation for nearly a week. CalFire moved a lot of engines and crews to the roads in the community that overlooked the burning canyon. The Sheriff made certain everyone was out and kept them out for 5 days.

So the moral of the story is be mentally prepared to GO. Expect you may be away from home for several days. Know in advance what you REALLY don't want to lose. It's surprisingly little. GO when you get the call. Do not pass go, do not collect your favorite records and tapes. Have prior plans/arrangements for your animals. When CalFire is knocking at your door is no time to be rummaging around for grandma's hand knitted table cloth.

We were all extraordinary lucky that no lives, nor pets nor houses were lost. Our CERT team had educated everybody in advance. The only houses lost were the two crack shacks where the fire started. And that's another story.
John M

climber
Nov 9, 2018 - 08:57pm PT
Cal fire is reporting the camp fire at:

90,000 acres
6,453 residences burned
260 commercial buildings burned


I can't even fathom that.
TLP

climber
Nov 9, 2018 - 09:21pm PT
^+1. Even more astonishing, this took place in like 1 1/2 days.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 10, 2018 - 01:55am PT
Will probably follow the canyons into the high country until the the cooler elevations slow things down or we get a rain storm.

It's what the Rim fire did. This Camp fire's way more bad-ass, though.

https://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/8933884-181/at-least-9-people-kil
led?ref=mostarticle

Grieving for all the lost souls of Paradise.
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Nov 10, 2018 - 07:07am PT
Yikes- new fire down in the LA/ Malibu is pretty major. Things I don't miss about living in the Santa Monicas.

https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/evacuations-expand-to-malibu-as-firefighters-battle-growing-woolsey-fire-in-southern-california/70006567

I'm having trouble getting a current map loaded
Aeriq

Social climber
Location: It's a MisterE
Nov 10, 2018 - 07:22am PT
Ventura County Emergency Info map - just wow:

https://www.vcemergency.com/

SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Nov 10, 2018 - 07:41am PT
Nita and Timid
I hope you two are okay!!!!
Aeriq

Social climber
Location: It's a MisterE
Nov 10, 2018 - 08:22am PT
Nita and Timid
I hope you two are okay!!!!

Andy posted on Facebook this morning that the were OK.
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Nov 10, 2018 - 08:23am PT
Paradise fire in CA

6,453 homes and 260 businesses had been destroyed, 9 people dead.

My cousin just lost her house and a llama herd they couldn't round up in time.

Trumps response.... blames the USFS and threatened to cut their funding this morning. What a f*#king as#@&%e.
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Nov 10, 2018 - 08:52am PT
Wow when you zoom in on the VC map it’s all houses
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 10, 2018 - 08:55am PT
over 6700 homes now.
good news - winds not too bad today but tomorrow could be catastrophic.
dhayan

climber
culver city, ca
Nov 10, 2018 - 09:19am PT
This is the worst one to come through Malibu in a couple decades...
WBraun

climber
Nov 10, 2018 - 09:22am PT
The POTUS HAS to say something in events like this.

Because he is a perfect sterile Artifical Intelligent brainwashed robot with no soul this a perfect example of what you Americans want to create towards your future .....
dhayan

climber
culver city, ca
Nov 10, 2018 - 09:30am PT
Even Richard Nixon has got soul.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 10, 2018 - 09:48am PT
A fire by the LA Zoo yesterday. Why did they evacuate the parrots before the elephants?
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Nov 10, 2018 - 10:50am PT
Because the parrots asked to be evacuated first?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 10, 2018 - 10:55am PT
Points to Malemute and Jon! A little levity was definitely in order.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 10, 2018 - 03:10pm PT
Yay for the firemen for knowing a $250K car when they see one!

Pretty sure that counts as booty, doesn’t it?
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Nov 10, 2018 - 04:31pm PT
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Nov 10, 2018 - 05:16pm PT
The elephants are gonna remember that
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Nov 10, 2018 - 06:03pm PT
Pretty sure that counts as booty, doesn’t it?

Too bad it was not a boat, under maritime law saving a boat gets you a percentage of the value of the boat.
goatboy smellz

climber
Gulf Breeze
Nov 10, 2018 - 07:29pm PT
Has anyone heard from Nurse Em?
Last I heard when she came out to Vedauwoo she was living in Paradise?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Nov 10, 2018 - 07:34pm PT
goatbro...I think em is living in paradise , mono county... not the paradise where the fire is burning...
johntp

Trad climber
Little Rock and Loving It
Nov 10, 2018 - 09:43pm PT
Which begs a question: has any one heard from Nita? Hope she and hers are safe.
John M

climber
Nov 10, 2018 - 09:46pm PT
she posted on this thread.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/3142493/Campfire
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Nov 10, 2018 - 10:42pm PT
Yeah, my ex's cousin lost everything except the car and the cat. And f*#k Trump.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Nov 11, 2018 - 02:21am PT
hey there say, winemaker... oh my...

my best wishes for someone to come and help her cousin...
:(

thankful, cousin is alive, and, cat, ... but, yes-- will have a hard road
to get into a new life, and home... :(
yanqui

climber
Balcarce, Argentina
Nov 11, 2018 - 05:31am PT
From the LA Times FB page "An owl sits on the beach in Malibu as the Woolsey Fire approaches"

mynameismud

climber
backseat
Nov 11, 2018 - 07:38am PT
If anyone by chance hears of or by chance has a connection to a guy name Dave Wood ask him to drop me line. His place is in the fire zone. One of my better climbing partners back in the day. I have been trying to get a hold of him.
bearbnz

Trad climber
East Side, California
Nov 11, 2018 - 08:19am PT
A satellite image from yesterday.


10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Nov 11, 2018 - 08:27am PT
He plays it into a cynical screw California/water rights thing. Most of the country isn't "his people" and California is firmly in that category for the great divider.

Sorry for your cousin's losses of home and lives. And for all in that area. It's damn smoke bowl over here, at least we aren't in the inferno.
drumpf is a f*#king moron.
WBraun

climber
Nov 11, 2018 - 08:50am PT
Major mainstream media TV networks covering these fires are morons.

Blah blah blah Blah blah blah Blah blah blah

repeating the same sh!t over and over standing in front of somebody's house burning down.

"Look behind me the house is burning down."

NO SH!T dumb azzz !!!!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 11, 2018 - 09:16am PT
^^^ Or the questions they ask people who just lost their homes.
“How do you feel now?”
johntp

Trad climber
Little Rock and Loving It
Nov 11, 2018 - 01:37pm PT
[quote]she posted on this thread.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/3142493/Campfire[/quote]

Thanks John M; having two threads going confuses things.
John M

climber
Nov 11, 2018 - 02:54pm PT
Not sure what horseshit that you are talking about. When I said it was overgrown I was talking about the town itself. I also said that the exit roads were overgrown 4 years ago. I was comparing that area to what they do in other counties up that way. I have no idea what the surrounding forest was like and made no comment about it. So hopefully you weren't speaking about my posts.

I'm sorry about the loses of your friends. Its hard for me to imagine just how bad that is.

I do appreciate your posts, especially about the condition of the surrounding forest and hope that you continue to keep us updated.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Nov 11, 2018 - 03:11pm PT
hey there, say, andy.. timid...

thank you so very kindly...

so many of us, calif-folks, that grew up here and have gone
through droughts, and seen our loved ones goes through them,
we fear for them, as to fires, and wonder what the forests are like...

we need folks like you all to share these things, as, we wish we understood more...


so very sad, all this...

thank you so much, once again...
go glad you and nita, are okay, through all this...
TLP

climber
Nov 11, 2018 - 03:19pm PT
Thanks a lot, Timid, for the information and photos. What a concept: actual facts from direct observation of the site in question not some other place 100 miles away and completely different habitat.

I won't try to drag you into the mud of the hypothetical discussions, but it would seem that either there are things we can do about fuel management and/or building materials in semi-densely developed areas like most of Paradise (and Coffey Park though that's a different setting...150 miles away), or we're going to have annual or at least frequent losses of thousands of homes to these fires. It's neither possible to prevent nor to immediately control wildland fires under the conditions that existed on Nov. 9, and they're going to quickly arrive at these types of communities.

IMHO, we need to be paying some attention to how to reduce how many houses are consumed once that happens; which has zero to do with forest or any other kind of habitat management. It's an urban/suburban setting.

Thanks again and hoping for the best for everyone affected.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Nov 11, 2018 - 06:47pm PT
most of the California counties codes request a 100ft perimeter of clearcut around each home. If everyone did that; no homes would burn, period!

Since this is a Climber’s site;; did anyone else see those crags and boulders showing up in the Woolsley fire🤗
John M

climber
Nov 11, 2018 - 07:00pm PT
If everyone did that; no homes would burn, period!

not true in 50+ mph winds. Coals blow a lot further then 100 feet. The main thing it might do is slow the fire down so that it is safer to escape. What 100 clearance does is give you more safety in lower speed winds.

Look at satellite of the feather river hospital. It nearly burned down and is surrounded by parking lots.

Edit: homes in southern california burned down with that clearance. I watched video of it.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Nov 11, 2018 - 07:03pm PT
I have a college degree in armchair quarterbacking...If we could train meth heads to eat dried brush these fires wouldn't be happening....
john hansen

climber
Nov 11, 2018 - 08:08pm PT
Even goats would probably not eat manzanita or grease wood in a chaparral

environment. And if they could they would just hasten desertification.

California has always been the land of earthquakes and fires and floods for thousands of years. And sections of the landscape burned every 10 or 20 years.

But now there are people in the way and the land is drying out because of climate change. That area is in extreme drought.

The Santa Ana winds show up every year , some where, some place, along that coast in the fall,,

The Camp fire in Paradise, and the Tubb's fire in Santa Rosa, and the Oakland Hills fire were all wind driven urban interface events.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Nov 11, 2018 - 08:15pm PT
how bout llamas...?
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Nov 11, 2018 - 08:40pm PT
Friends of mine have a cabin in Goose Prairie, WA near Chinook Pass. Wind storms over the past ten years have knocked down so many trees it's impossible to even get to some areas. The amount of fallen branches/trees on the ground is amazing. So how are we supposed to clear this 'brush' out? This is an impossible task and when a fire comes through, which it will, it will have plenty of fuel to burn hot and fast. The idea that we can manage this stuff is bullsh#t.

Trees are dying up here from beetle infestation adding to the fuel available. We are seeing less and less rain here in the rainy Pacific Northwest. This is an issue of climate change, not some bullshit political agenda. Forest management? Like we can affect the climate. Head in sand anti-science doesn't cut it.
TLP

climber
Nov 11, 2018 - 09:10pm PT
Blueblocr's post exemplifies the widespread misconception about the behavior of these fires in urbanized/suburbanized situations such as the town of Paradise. Outside the town, the beginning of the fire was in vegetation, might have been grassland, or shrubland, or oak woodland, or something. But basically a vegetation fire.

However, once the fire got to the town, it probably became an urban fire. Houses were set alight by embers, then created enough heat to ignite other nearby houses, and so on. That's exactly what happened in Coffey Park (Santa Rosa), where the vast majority of the houses that were consumed were in just the one densely built neighborhood. Practically no vegetation at all, and of that, some green vegetation remained after the fire (check the photos and aerials). Same thing in the Waldo Fire in Colorado a couple years back. Likewise in Paradise. If you go on news sites and click through the photos, you'll see unburned vegetation in the background of photos of actively burning houses. The immediately adjacent trees were burned...by the flaming houses, not the other way around. This is a pattern that is repeated over and over and over again in these settings. Yet we continue only to hear about defensible space blah blah blah. This is wrong: these are NOT wildland vegetation fires that happen to burn a few houses as they consume all the vegetation, but rather urban fires spreading by ember ignitions and proximity of fully engulfed houses.

It's too early to have good aerials for Paradise, but it's very likely that it's the same situation as at least four other fires that consumed a few hundred or few thousand houses, of which I have examined before and after aerial photos. It's time to recognize that lack of vegetation clearance is not the main issue, it's that there's a highly flammable house less than 100 feet away - as little as 20 feet away (less for Coffey Park). I don't have a simple solution, but we'll never come up with one until we recognize what the problem actually is. For sure, some, perhaps even a lot, of the area burned within the limits of Paradise was just all vegetation, but it's unwise not to focus on the urban aspect of the fire behavior.

As pointed out correctly by others, when it's really windy, even 100 ft or 200 ft may not be enough: these fires spot ahead by 1000 ft or more. If houses/decks/sheds/whatever are susceptible to ignition by embers, there's no feasible amount of defensible space that's enough.
murcy

Gym climber
sanfrancisco
Nov 11, 2018 - 09:44pm PT
Andy and Nita, very sorry. What horrible losses.
TLP

climber
Nov 11, 2018 - 11:21pm PT
I agree DMT, but multiple people already posted saying if only X or Y then it wouldn't have been so bad. Not so. I'll be interested to see what you have to contribute when the time is right.

I had friends and colleagues whose whole worlds burned up in Santa Rosa, and even though that's a year ago, it's still awfully fresh and painful. This new abnormal is a scary reality for California.
John M

climber
Nov 12, 2018 - 07:04am PT
This guy is I believe a reporter for ChicoER. He has a lot of video of Magalia on his Facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/RickDSilva

Its incredible to see what survived and what didn't. Actually a lot survived in Magalia. In one video a home survived that had a hedge in front of it, while many neighboring homes did not survive. In other videos you can see that one side of the street burned and the other didn't.

I still have a hard time comprehending the devastation.

Edit: ( video was posted nov 10th at 12:25. Its not a quality video but the interview is interesting. ) in the videos in the link above the reporter interviews someone who stayed behind in the 2008 fire and this fire. The man saved his house in 2008, but wasn't able to save it in this fire. Its Just hard for me to imagine. The house isn't up in the trees, but down in the canyon and he had angered the neighbors because he had done a lot of clearing on his property, yet still couldn't save his home in this fire. It burned it was fully engulfed in 7 minutes.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 12, 2018 - 07:56am PT
https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/santa-susana-woolsey-fire/

justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Nov 12, 2018 - 08:00am PT
It's completely devastating. Having grown up in an extreme fire danger area and experienced on burning literally to our doorstep this is all very visceral. I'm finding my self getting extremely emotional thinking about what these people are dealing with looking at images of both Paradise and So Cal .

@Blublocr: JohnM and TLP are correct- the 100- foot clearance IS enforced in the Santa Monica's- yet the houses still burned once the wind hit a certain speed. The only thing that would help would be enacting some Draconian laws about removing every bit of vegetation for miles around and setting backfires every year. No one wants to live in what looks like a perpetual war-zone. Once it hits a suburb it's feeding off structure fires- not vegetation. The material your neighbor's house is made out of has more to do with how much your house is at risk .

Winemaker: .
The amount of fallen branches/trees on the ground is amazing. So how are we supposed to clear this 'brush' out? This is an impossible task and when a fire comes through, which it will, it will have plenty of fuel to burn hot and fast. The idea that we can manage this stuff is bullsh#t.


Spot on- our POSUS obviously has never ventured off the pavement at Mira Lago long enough to take a walk in a Cali forest. The sheer volume of forest here to be " managed" is an impossible task. All you can do is provide firefighters with the men and resources to fight them when they break out.

@ Andy- thanks for your input. Glad you and Nita made it through but looking at neighbors who lost everything is difficult.

PS The President should be horsewhipped for all his horseshit tweets!

He should get worse than that for such ignorance and insensitivity.
WBraun

climber
Nov 12, 2018 - 08:09am PT
A Essex

climber
Nov 12, 2018 - 08:39am PT
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Nov 12, 2018 - 09:09am PT
Man, I don’t miss wildfires at all, obviously. My heart goes out to all of those affected. What a f*#king calamity. What’s the solution, in your opinions? More money for forest management? Would that truly help?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 12, 2018 - 09:28am PT
Brandon, come down to Mojave where you can see scores of used B747s and DC10s lined up. They are beyond their service life as far as airlines are concerned but they are still flightworthy. They can be had for pennies on the dollar and turned into tankers for a few million, or about the price of a home in Malibu. I see no reason, other than Congressional stoopidity on both sides of the aisle, why we can’t have 40 of them sitting at, say, Travis Air Force Base in central California. When the fire started near Paradise 10 or 20 could have been on it within minutes and doused it. They could be on any fire in California within an hour. Furthermore, half the heavy lifters in the Air Force could be retrofitted with tanks. Wouldn’t it be nice if our war machine did something peaceful?
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Nov 12, 2018 - 09:34am PT
Amen, brother.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Nov 12, 2018 - 09:35am PT
Good point there Reilly..
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Nov 12, 2018 - 11:30am PT
Even goats would probably not eat manzanita or grease wood in a chaparral

environment. And if they could they would just hasten desertification.

Desertification doesn't sound too bad to me.

I think I would rather have a house in the desert than one nestled in among dead conifers and dried out brush.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 12, 2018 - 06:03pm PT
You can’t fix stoopid.
WBraun

climber
Nov 12, 2018 - 06:09pm PT
The most worked up member from this table said he lived in Paradise and I should wear a kevlar vest if I ever needed to enter his property.

So you didn't need no kevlar vest as Providence ended up entering his property ......
John M

climber
Nov 12, 2018 - 06:34pm PT
Aw man.. I was worried about that.
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Nov 12, 2018 - 10:51pm PT
Brandon, come down to Mojave where you can see scores of used B747s and DC10s lined up. They are beyond their service life as far as airlines are concerned but they are still flightworthy. They can be had for pennies on the dollar and turned into tankers for a few million, or about the price of a home in Malibu. I see no reason, other than Congressional stoopidity on both sides of the aisle, why we can’t have 40 of them sitting at, say, Travis Air Force Base in central California. When the fire started near Paradise 10 or 20 could have been on it within minutes and doused it. They could be on any fire in California within an hour. Furthermore, half the heavy lifters in the Air Force could be retrofitted with tanks. Wouldn’t it be nice if our war machine did something peaceful?
There are several problems with this
1. Oft times they can't fly or are much less effective flying. these times often coincide with high fire danger days due to high winds.
2. It does nothing to help the situation with the forests. In fact it exacerbates it in the same way we have for a century.
3. The fuel load has to be removed and if we're competing for dollars I'd rather see them go to prevention.


Of course I'd rather not see us compete for dollars I'd rather see a multi-faceted attack, but with the USDA budget shrinking and now having to come up with an additional 4.7 billion for farmers that seems unlikely
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Nov 12, 2018 - 11:02pm PT
This is a good article about the issues with using military assets along side civilian

https://www.firerescuemagazine.com/articles/print/volume-4/issue-9/wildland/military-aircraft-aid-in-socal-wui-fires.html

When the 2003 Cedar Fire ripped through San Diego County, it forever altered the wildland/urban interface (WUI) playing field. Not only did flames consume 280,000 acres (more than 100,000 in the first 24 hours), they also destroyed 2,800 homes and killed 15 people. The mutual aid system at the time was pushed beyond its limit. The severity of the disaster demanded pulling out all the stops.

Military Involvement in the Cedar Fire
While integration of the military into firefighting operations had been limited prior to 2003, CAL FIRE has successfully worked with the California National Guard (CNG) since the mid-1970s. The CNG program uses military helicopter managers (MHEMs) to keep crews safe and effective in the air.

During fire season, the CNG uses radios that are fully compatible with fire service radios. For decades now, the CNG has readily cooperated during incidents, and its relationship with CAL FIRE has served as a model for other military agencies to follow.

During the Cedar Fire, the U.S. Navy offered its H-3 helicopters to help quench the firestorm. Though an obvious potential asset, the Navy helos had no standardized firefighting training, and their radio connectivity was limited. So to avoid major communications and operations challenges, the Navy ships were integrated only in remote areas of the fire. This action ultimately laid the groundwork for future cooperation with the military and mission expansion.

New Protocol
Following the 2003 siege, firefighting agencies in Southern California tried to decide how best to integrate the military into the firefight. It seemed on paper to be a natural fit, but firefighting is, of course, not the military’s primary job, so joint efforts remained limited to the one Navy squadron that had helped during the Cedar Fire.

Renamed Helicopter Sea Combat Squadron 85 (HSC-85) and armed with new H-60s, the North Island-based sailors had the helpful distinction of being a reserve unit. This made them a readily available resource, with limited deployments and consistent personnel.

To streamline the alert and activation of aircraft in the San Diego area, CAL FIRE, in partnership with the Navy, formalized a letter of agreement. Using the existing agreement between fire agencies and the CNG as a template, protocols established included an initial availability inquiry and a detailed alert and activation process, which included both aircraft and fire agency staffing.

The 2007 Firestorm
In the days prior to the 2007 outbreak in Southern California, predictive weather services led CAL FIRE to call on the Navy Reserves. HSC-85 declared it would be ready with one or two of its bucketed Seahawks.

Initially, the largest fire was the Harris Fire. Having already alerted the Navy Reserves, fire agencies made the official call to the Navy Region Southwest for activation. HSC-85 responded a second time with two H-60s. On board those helicopters were not only standard aircrews, but CAL FIRE MHEMs. Their primary responsibilities include monitoring fire behavior and tactics, as well as safety in the fire traffic area (FTA), and performing proper communications. By virtue of the existing agreement and associated training, the two H-60s were immediately ordered to respond to the Rancho Bernardo area for fire suppression.

Due to catastrophic fire conditions, the Navy called on another eight helicopters to assist in the fight. At this point, the Marines offered a fleet of their own, a mix of CH-53E Super Stallions and CH-46E Sea Knights based out of nearby Miramar and Camp Pendleton.

Southern California was 2 days into the siege when these assets were acquired, which presented a series of hurdles to overcome (and little time to do so):

Fire agencies had nowhere near enough MHEMs to staff all the aircraft;
There had been no training or prior coordination to integrate the Marines; and
Marine radios were unable to pick up critical fire frequencies.
To compensate for the lack of MHEMs, helicopters were allowed to travel in pairs, with the lead aircraft carrying the experienced fire captain. The military typically flies its helicopters in sets of two to four, with the lead making radio calls and tactical decisions for the flight. This enabled CAL FIRE to deliver twice the amount of water with half the agency staffing. Given the extenuating circumstances, this proved sufficient for Navy air crews that regularly fought fire on their own installations and had been cooperating with CAL FIRE for the previous 4 years.

Many of the Marine Corps air crews, however, had never even carried a fire bucket. To ensure safety, each Marine helicopter tagged along with a CNG ship of a similar size; CH-46s followed behind CH-60s and CH-53s followed behind CH-47s. This allowed the aircraft to use appropriately-sized dip sites and compensated for the lack of MHEMs. More importantly, it provided radio connectivity via the CNG’s radio compatibility.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 12, 2018 - 11:04pm PT
There are several problems with this

The ONLY problem with this is political will power. I didn’t say this would fix the bloody forests.
It WOULD save lives and homes. Get the insurance industry to pay for it! And please don’t presume to lecture me on aviation - even kindergartners know the wind blows sometimes.

And gubmint agencies ALWAYS find reasons not to cooperate with each other.
That’s what they live for. Pass the whine and get the bloody job done!
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Nov 13, 2018 - 12:45am PT
It's not a lecture it's reality. It's not just the wind. It's the wind, the smoke, the night, and more. They couldn't fly or would have been ineffective at the the start of the Carr Fire winds were gusting over 50 mph and the smoke was crazy. Same thing for the Woolsey fire. They couldn't fly during the Tubbs fire in Santa Rosa cause that was night and happened faster than they could take off anyway.
I'm not saying it's a bad idea. I think more firepower when the air tankers were stressed would have helped with the Carr Fire but it is definitely not gonna save all the lives you're inferring it will.

Special caution should be taken when operating in wind conditions of 20 knots (24mph)
and above, or when the gust spread exceeds10 knots (12mph). Tactical aerial
operations requiring flight below 1000 feet AGL shall be continuously evaluated when
winds exceed 30 knots (35mph), particularly over ridgelines and/or vertical terrain, or the
gust spread exceeds 15 mph. Low level flight operations will be immediately suspended
in an area where Moderate (or greater) Turbulence is reported by a participating aircraft.
It is the responsibility of the ATGS, pilots, and other responsible persons to
constantly assess the risks versus benefits associated with operating in highwind
and turbulent conditions.


neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Nov 13, 2018 - 06:43am PT
hey there say, ground chuck... thank you for the update...


:(
psykokid

Mountain climber
Pasadena
Nov 13, 2018 - 12:05pm PT
cal fire posted a nice arcgis map noting structure status : http://calfire-forestry.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=5306cc8cf38c4252830a38d467d33728&extent=-13547810.5486%2C4824920.1673%2C-13518764.4778%2C4841526.1117%2C102100

Here's a video my inlaws neighbor down the street shot as they were fleeing the fire:
[Click to View YouTube Video]

They left about 10 min after my inlaws. at :12 seconds you see a trailer on the right hand side of the road. My inlaws house is just after that, on fire..

ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
Wilds of New Mexico
Nov 13, 2018 - 12:21pm PT
What a horrific fire. In my opinion it may be time for an effort to educate the general public living in urban interface areas how to survive a fire. I think it's likely people think the only way out is racing away in a car and then get caught on narrow roads in bad places when there are totally survivable alternatives. In a town that would be places like parks, football fields, areas where the main fire front has already moved through. Fire fighters call these kinds of spots safety zones and part of the fire fighting risk evaluation is where they are and how to get to them. Obviously in some situations the only alternative is to run for your life but folks should be aware of other possibilities.
John M

climber
Nov 13, 2018 - 01:18pm PT
Ease up.. just because Travis might not have enough room doesn't negate the idea. Castle Air force base could be reopened and turned into a firefighting center.

I am not expressing an opinion on the validity of this idea. I do believe that we need more air resources.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 13, 2018 - 01:42pm PT
Somebody, 'simpletons' nit pick examples. And ramp space is a fixed quantity?
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Nov 13, 2018 - 01:48pm PT
That video makes me to never want a plastic car.
Robb

Social climber
Cat Box
Nov 13, 2018 - 04:44pm PT
Since it appears that this will be the new normal for CA, it's ok to throw out ideas. That's how the process begins.
Clyde

Mountain climber
Boulder
Nov 13, 2018 - 05:27pm PT
I wrote the book on the topic. Wasted effort, nobody bothered to read it.

krahmes

Social climber
Stumptown
Nov 13, 2018 - 05:57pm PT
Paradise, CA. Before and after:
https://imgur.com/a/CElUiKp

Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Nov 14, 2018 - 12:56pm PT
Holy crap. This is just horrifying. I've never been to Paradise, but from the (before) photos, it looked like, well, paradise. Ugh.

BAd
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 14, 2018 - 03:37pm PT
Several articles bundled in this link...
https://www.fresnobee.com/news/state/california/article221645225.html
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Nov 14, 2018 - 03:45pm PT
hey there say, clyde... say, i will look your book up...

*ooops... just did, am back typing... :)

say, GOOD for you... you know... little things like this, really
can help folks...


the trouble is-- getting it out to where FOLKS can see it...


can it be donated to various towns, etc?

thanks for sharing...
say, SCHOOLS maybe, huh??


no one teaches safety, or, fire safety, as much as they should....


*i remember when firemen, used to come to our schools, when we were kids,
now, in these fire areas... would be nice if town-meetings
had open meetings for everyone to come and
get UPDATES on their area...

and-- what is going on...
and-- what maybe can be done...

hmmm, or send out a ' mailed ' flyer, to the homes...
:(
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Nov 15, 2018 - 08:29pm PT
They raised the number of missing to 631, 63 confirmed dead. Just horrific. This should be a call to action. Obviously the concept of dispersed living in the forest is flawed.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/11/15/camp-fire-63-dead-631-deemed-missing-second-point-of-origin-for-inferno-explored/
TLP

climber
Nov 15, 2018 - 08:45pm PT
Wow, krahmes, thanks a lot for finding that web site and posting the link. It demonstrates spectacularly what I've said upthread and in other places: once the Camp fire got into Paradise itself, it became almost entirely just an urban fire, burning structures, and those structures igniting other nearby structures, with an unknown number of the ignitions resulting from embers. In the photos on that web site, there's lots and lots of still green vegetation (or with browned leaves from the heat, but not combusted). Obviously trees overhanging the houses that burned are also burned, but in the background, it's largely unburned (some of it scorched) vegetation.

We keep hearing about defensible space, but unless every parcel is a minimum of 2-5 acres, it's impossible to have functional defensible space with other wood framed and wood sheathed buildings close by. Every foothill and mountain town in California needs to rethink this parroted line and start thinking about how we plan and build our communities. The town I live in could easily be just like Paradise next year - or even just next week with an unlucky event. The other route is to eliminate every speck of plant material from the entire community, and I don't think we're ready for that, or to deal with the ecological consequences.

Interestingly, judging from inspection of the Cal Fire structure damage map and examination of satellite imagery, a lot of the multifamily housing in Paradise didn't burn. Not sure how they're building those apartments and townhouses, but for some reason, it's much more fire resistant.

Then there's the fact that these horribly destructive fires are sometimes known to have been started by power lines; likely for the Camp fire too but not yet proven. Sure, it's easy to point fingers at power companies, but we all also need to look in the mirror and ask if we'd cheerfully pay the cost of upgrading the thousands of miles of power lines running all over the whole darn state and maintaining vegetation clearance. There is no free lunch or free protection from disasters.

Overall, with the new climate and fire regime we've now got, it's time for a reality check.

Huge sympathies to everyone affected by loss of property, life, or loved ones. Only by sheer luck am I not among them.
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Nov 15, 2018 - 09:26pm PT
Then there's the fact that these horribly destructive fires are sometimes known to have been started by power lines; likely for the Camp fire too but not yet proven. Sure, it's easy to point fingers at power companies, but we all also need to look in the mirror and ask if we'd cheerfully pay the cost of upgrading the thousands of miles of power lines running all over the whole darn state and maintaining vegetation clearance. There is no free lunch or free protection from disasters.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/business/energy-environment/california-fire-utilities.html
Citigroup estimates that PG&E’s exposure to liability for those fires is $15 billion — and that it could face another $15 billion in claims if it is found responsible for the Camp Fire, a number that could rise because the fire is only a third contained.



30 billion could clear a lot of vegetation.
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Nov 15, 2018 - 09:46pm PT
I wrote the book on the topic. Wasted effort, nobody bothered to read it.

Thanks for posting and writing your book, Clyde! I didn't know about it until now and just bought a copy. Am looking forward to reading this.

On Amazon it has 11 reviews, ALL with 5/5 stars. All those people appreciate it - your effort was not wasted for some folks!

https://www.amazon.com/Fire-Smart-Home-Handbook-Preparing/dp/0762796901/
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Nov 15, 2018 - 10:03pm PT
hey there, say, mighty hiker...

truly, yes, that is dangerous, -- facing property owners, :(
and, just doing a legitimate job, for helping in
the prevention of future dangers, //that should BE the only
concern//, and not the type that workers must sadly worry about,
in that line of work... :(
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 16, 2018 - 05:28am PT
https://www.sfgate.com/california-wildfires/article/San-Francisco-Bay-Area-Livermore-air-quality-Fire-13395353.php#photo-16498548

Camp fire death toll hits 63 and the number of missing rises.
psykokid

Mountain climber
Pasadena
Nov 16, 2018 - 11:12am PT
the survey crew got to my inlaws place..

August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Nov 16, 2018 - 11:30am PT
Sure, it's easy to point fingers at power companies, but we all also need to look in the mirror and ask if we'd cheerfully pay the cost of upgrading the thousands of miles of power lines running all over the whole darn state and maintaining vegetation clearance.

I'm all for consumers paying the cost of externalities. Whether it is CO2 related climate change, worker's comp for injured workers, or the occasional fire that kills dozens and destroys thousands of structures.

And outside of the political will required to make it happen, I don't really care whether they are cheerful about it or not.

Sula

Trad climber
Pennsylvania
Nov 16, 2018 - 11:59am PT
It would be great to somehow eliminate all possibility of electrical lines causing fires.

But if this were done, wouldn't the same trees & brush eventually be burned by a naturally caused fire?
John M

climber
Nov 16, 2018 - 12:02pm PT
But if this were done, wouldn't the same trees & brush eventually be burned by a naturally caused fire?

Yes.. but perhaps not during a high wind event. The high winds are what make the fire move so fast and make it difficult to impossible to do structure protection.
zBrown

Ice climber
Nov 16, 2018 - 04:31pm PT
Timid TopRope and Nita

I'm a bit out of the loop, but I am glad that you two appear to be alright.

sween345

climber
back east
Nov 16, 2018 - 04:37pm PT

Will all the houses that will need to be rebuilt be subject to the new construction solar mandate?
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Nov 16, 2018 - 06:31pm PT
Yo Clyde, just ordered your book.....looking forward to reading it.
john hansen

climber
Nov 16, 2018 - 07:10pm PT
They should require that all structures that are rebuilt have fire resistant

roofs walls and eaves. Metal roof's with Hardie Panel fascia and eaves,

and Hardie board siding. They have special eave vents to prevent embers

from getting into the roof space. Not sure if even all those things would

work against such a wind driven fire with houses so close to one another.



Think of all the homes in Paradise that were built in the 70's and 80's

and 90's that had cedar shingles and exposed plywood eaves and T1-11

siding and wooden decks.

My heart goes out to the people of Paradise.

There will be a lot of hard times ahead for so many.
John M

climber
Nov 17, 2018 - 07:53am PT
A good story.. though heart wrenching about the neighbors dogs.

[Click to View YouTube Video]
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Nov 17, 2018 - 07:57am PT
a lot of those Paradise homes that got torched were built on big lots with a lot of room between the neighbors. as you can see from the pics coming out, there is nothing left but cement slabs. even the metal melted. so much for building houses with fireproof materials. when you get 50 mph winds in a forest, what you have is a huge blowtorch that is going to take out anything in it's path.
simply not true. even your paragraph i quoted proves it wrong. non flammable materials don't become flammable because of wind. Those cement slabs still standing are evidence of that. It seems the major source of fuel as it moved through paradise was paradise itself.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Nov 17, 2018 - 08:19am PT
http://themilleniumreport.com/conclusive-photographic-evidence-proving-california-is-under-attack-by-dews

This link is being actively censored, but you can find a path to it

Won't take long for detractors to try and keep you from looking at the evidence for yourself.

I'm a firefighter and other experienced colleagues are taking this very seriously
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Nov 17, 2018 - 08:52am PT
That's BS and disrespectful to those that have lost their lives and everything they own.
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Nov 17, 2018 - 09:04am PT
*
That's BS and disrespectful to those that have lost their lives and everything they own.
+1

TomCochrane, take your bullshit elsewhere.!!
TLP

climber
Nov 17, 2018 - 09:05am PT
August, I'm with you: customers should pay the costs. Everything we do needs to follow the "clean up your own mess" principle: want power lines, pay for them to be installed and maintained in a way they won't start giant fires annually (exactly during high wind events as pointed out above). Use fossil fuels, pay to mitigate their climate effects. And so on. But we've allowed ourselves to fall into a rut of feeling it's somebody else's responsibility. Not good.

Ground chuck, you're full of nonsense. A glance at the graphic you included shows that your first statement is 100 percent false. Building materials make a huge difference, but if there are wooden time bombs 20 feet away, it doesn't help much. Either you need more space, without much ground fuel, or every house needs to be more fire resistant.

Go online, look at all the places there are before and after photos posted. There's lots of unburned vegetation all around the destroyed buildings. The closest plants are scorched by the burning buildings, but once the fire got into Paradise itself, it was not at all a stand-replacing vegetation fire that happened to burn a lot of houses along the way; on the contrary, it was basically an urban fire burning structure to structure. True, the roadsides of escape routes were subject to vegetation fires, but the developed area, that was primarily an urban fire. We'll have annual repeats of this exact kind of event until we recognize what's actually happening and do something about it.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 17, 2018 - 09:09am PT
Well, let’s be honest here, a cigarette tossed out of a car window is a directed energy weapon for all intents and purposes.
John M

climber
Nov 17, 2018 - 09:56am PT
Take a breath everyone. Its just a link.


I got the same message Tad. The bug is just trying to get you to go to their site to "fix" the problem they created. If you didn't click on anything, then you should be fine.

Tom.. that stuff is way too far out for this thread. For the most part this thread is about support and information about the fires that are happening right now. I know that we are talking about fire behavior and how this one started, but your theory is more then people can listen to right now. So if your really need to talk about it, then perhaps start a different thread. But realize just how terrible this current situation is and cut people some slack. If in a month or two, then start a thread. Otherwise, please keep it off this thread. People are grieving.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 17, 2018 - 09:57am PT
Y’all could just let it be, you know.
John M

climber
Nov 17, 2018 - 10:01am PT
now thats funny Reilly.. Like there aren't people on this forum who wouldn't take that theory and run with and take the emphasis away from supporting people. Its a mind f*#k and people don't need that right now. At least not on this thread.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Nov 17, 2018 - 10:46am PT
Don't shoot the messenger, but I'm not relating as a disinterested observer.

One of my good friends just now sent me a picture of her destroyed house in Paradise, recently remodeled:



I spent most of my summer clearing brush around my house in the woods and other fire prep work ... not sure how much protection it offers.

I know what it's like to face a forest fire. I was first fireman on scene this summer to a forest fire threatening my neighborhood started by a logging slash pile fanned by high winds... just me with one fire hose with the tender driver and 3000 gallons and no safety zone or escape route. An hour later we had a dozen engines and hundred fire fighters from multiple departments, a bulldozer and bucket helicopter chasing spot fires.



If you want to form opinions without looking at the data, don't say you weren't warned, just that you didn't listen.
John M

climber
Nov 17, 2018 - 11:03am PT
come on guys.. take the conversation to a different thread.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Nov 17, 2018 - 11:04am PT
Good questions, Jim Brennan, that's the constant challenge: trying to match observed effects to possible causes ... determining ignition sources forensics is a standard part of a firefighters training ...

A standard cover-up methodology is making the truth seem outrageous and then driving the follow up discussions into realms of the unbelievable.

Yesterday that link was straightforward. Today that link is boobytrapped. So does that tend to discredit the information or what?

And isn't this the all purpose wildfire thread?
John M

climber
Nov 17, 2018 - 11:14am PT
And isn't this the all purpose wildfire thread?

Yes and no.. sometimes its good to start a different thread.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Nov 17, 2018 - 02:03pm PT
I completely agree with the strong sentiments that this shouldn't be happening. Unfortunately it is, in fact just the tip of the iceberg. We need to deal with it, and not by denial and ignorance and character attacks.

My house is probably more at risk to forest fire than most of you, and I work hard to provide for its protection.

We woodland firefighters use a tool called a Pulaski, invented in 1911 by a Forrester named Ed Pulaski, credited with saving the lives of a crew of 45 firefighters during the disastrous fires in northern Idaho in August 1910. His story is told in Timothy Eagans highly recommended book The Big Burn, Teddy Roosevelt and the Fire that Saved America. The town where I was born was in the center of that conflagration. Compare the aftermath pictures of that natural forest fire with what we are seeing today.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 17, 2018 - 02:07pm PT
Trump's nose for notoriety. Not an ounce of freakin' real concern or pity.

Sorry you had to smell that turd, too, Andy, after what you've seen.

Also, "The rancor! Oh, the rancor!" It becomes us not, Tacos.
jbaker

Trad climber
Redwood City, CA
Nov 17, 2018 - 02:23pm PT
The NCVF says that 1% of donated funds is used for administration and distribution of the funds. They, of course, have larger expenses, but fire donations aren't going to general administrative expenses, other than the 1%.

Clyde - Thanks for the pointer to your book. I'm reading it now.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 17, 2018 - 02:41pm PT
Interesting article on wildfires in this week’s The Economist. Think we have it bad? Think again. 2% of the land burned by wildfires worldwide is in N America. 67% is in Africa.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Nov 17, 2018 - 03:46pm PT
When I think about and visualize the incredible pain and agony of what this community has gone thru it hurts the soul to read some of the tasteless, insensitive comments posted here.

Stop speculating here, please. Start your own wildfire speculation thread or even better get off the computer and go help.

We live in a fragile world today. We need to stick together and help each other. Jess' sayin'.

Reilly, I always appreciate your thoughtful comments and information.

wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Nov 17, 2018 - 03:49pm PT
True ,for sure,now how about some god damn rain.

Peace to everyone near this.
Risk

Mountain climber
Marooned, 855 miles from Tuolumne Meadows
Nov 17, 2018 - 04:14pm PT
My copy of quarterly CSU Chico Alumni magazine arrived before the fire.

zBrown

Ice climber
Nov 17, 2018 - 07:23pm PT
Fuk trump, but what did you expect?

You don't need crazy laser guided sheeit

Orr used a cigarette, three matches, and lined yellow paper and el cheapo cigarette lighters


"John Leonard Orr (born April 26, 1949) is a former fire captain and arson investigator for the Glendale Fire Department in Southern California and novelist who was indicted and later convicted for serial arson.....Some arson investigators and an FBI criminal profiler have deemed Orr to be possibly one of the worst American serial arsonists of the twentieth century.[22] Federal ATF agent Mike Matassa believes that Orr set nearly 2,000 fires between 1984 and 1991.[23]

Furthermore, arson investigators cited that after Orr was arrested, the number of brush fires in the nearby foothill areas decreased by over ninety percent."


And


May 4, 2012 - 09:56am PT
Meanwhile what's happening with this.

I can't believe it took this long, but it has finally arrived.

A magazine published by members of al Qaeda has called for Western Muslims to wage war within the United States, urging them to engage in lone wolf attacks, including setting forest fires


http://wildfiretoday.com/2012/05/02/al-qaeda-magazine-encourages-forest-fire-arson-in-the-us/



And

If you ask people in the deep end of the conspiracy theory pool, though, DEWs are here already. There’s a small body of people who believe themselves to be “targeted individuals”—stalked, harassed, and attacked by the government or other shadowy groups—and at least some of them believe those attacks are being carried out by DEWs. Now, through a strange confluence of forces, the paranoia over DEWs is making its way into the discussion about natural disasters. What we’re seeing is a convergence of longstanding American fears about government mind control and manipulation of the weather merging with climate change skepticism, as climate science becomes ever-more-politicized.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 18, 2018 - 06:58am PT
Does The Darnold have anything to say about Norwegians? Huh?

Wilbeer,
Up to four inches of rain is expected to fall from late on Tuesday through Friday in the Sierra foothills, the National Weather Service's Weather Prediction Center said.

https://www.newsweek.com/california-wildfires-rain-forecast-will-help-firefighters-could-also-trigger-1220971
Majid_S

Mountain climber
Karkoekstan, Former USSR
Nov 18, 2018 - 08:13am PT
Friday 11/16/18 Paradise Fire NorCal Copyright MS









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wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Nov 18, 2018 - 08:51am PT
Good to hear you are getting some rain Mouse,let us hope it is not too much.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 19, 2018 - 01:46pm PT
Paradise was not the only place lost in the Camp fire's inferno.

http://buttecreekcanyon.info/helltown

Click on Friends of Butte Creek on this link. Incredible footage of the smoke plume.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 20, 2018 - 09:28am PT
The Inferno.
Snagged from an online source.

We aren't getting wet, not yet.

Here is the time when we Sprockets pray, plead, sacrifice, promise to do better, weep, moan, gyrate like the mad, and remember the dead.
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Nov 20, 2018 - 06:59pm PT
*
Mouse, We have many friends who lost their homes in Butte Creek canyon, but thankfully a couple of our friends found out their homes were still standing... It is only a town in the historic sense.... a canyon area that is part of South East Chico .

Other towns that had fire damage from the Camp Fire are,..Magalia directly uphill of Paradise, Concow, Yankee Hill, Cherokee,.... and many people that have Oroville addresses, but are not in the Oroville City limits.

Death toll is now 81...)-;

https://www.craftbeer.com/editors-picks/hundreds-of-breweries-tell-sierra-nevada-were-in-on-wildfire-relief-beer
ionlyski

Trad climber
Polebridge, Montana
Nov 20, 2018 - 07:26pm PT
A magazine published by members of al Qaeda has called for Western Muslims to wage war within the United States, urging them to engage in lone wolf attacks, including setting forest fires

That is some scary sh#t there. The idea of it has always been so creepy you hardly dare talk about it.

Arne
zBrown

Ice climber
Nov 20, 2018 - 07:35pm PT
^ I thought of it well before 2012, but never said a word until it hit the news.

There are others that can be imagined too.

i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Nov 20, 2018 - 08:44pm PT
I'm with zBrown. Thought of it long ago during Bush's terms but never wanted to say anything.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Nov 20, 2018 - 10:07pm PT
The Japanese tried to set U.S. forests on fire in WWII, without much sucess, but they put a lot of work into it.

The Japanese fire balloon was the first ever weapon possessing intercontinental range. The Japanese balloon attacks on North America were at that time the longest ranged attacks ever conducted in the history of warfare.

The balloons were intended to instill fear and terror in the U.S., though the bombs were relatively ineffective as weapons of destruction[4] due to extreme weather conditions.[5]

Much more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fu-Go_balloon_bomb
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 21, 2018 - 01:22pm PT
Mr. Rodgers' neighborhood.

https://krcrtv.com/news/camp-fire/butte-county-native-aaron-rodgers-sets-up-fund-to-help-camp-fire-victims

Butte County native and Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers has set up a fund to help recovery and rebuilding after the Camp Fire.

In a video on Twitter, he said he is donating $1 million to relief efforts.

He said he is partnering with the North Valley Community Foundation to help with recovery and rebuilding.

Rodgers added that State Farm will donate one dollar, up to one million dollars, toward Camp Fire recovery with every retweet on his post, using the hashtag #retweetforgood, through Sunday, November 25 at midnight Eastern Time.

Visit the link and partner up with Aaron.
aspendougy

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Nov 21, 2018 - 06:13pm PT
Heat from a fire is subject to the inverse square law, meaning that the intensity of the heat goes down rapidly, as it decreases by the square of the distance. If a town such as Paradise had:

One, a 200-300 yd. buffer zone around it with no burnable material
Two, houses without flammable trees next to them
Three, houses further apart
Four, houses made with more fire resistant materials

Seems that the damage would be much less, instead of destroying a whole town. Of course, this requires careful planning and some expense, but I hope other towns in the middle of tinder dry forests and brush lands can learn from what happened there.

One of my friends lost his house in Paradise. He had a safe with several thousand dollars in cash; hasn't been able to get back yet to see if the safe and the funds survived.
zBrown

Ice climber
Nov 21, 2018 - 06:52pm PT
Good reporting there DMT

Seems to me that some group needs to be in charge of monitoring the progress that is or is not made going forward

Perfect thing for Gates or Buffet to fund

Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Nov 21, 2018 - 07:28pm PT
DMT! As a forestry grad, I need to mention "Yellow Pine" is a local name for Ponderosa or Jeffrey Pine. I back my assertion up with Wikipedia.

Yellow pine refers to a number of conifer species which tend to grow in similar plant communities and yield similar strong wood. In the Western United States, yellow pine refers to Jeffrey pine or ponderosa pine.

The Jeffrey pine and the ponderosa pine are pines that are common in drier montane areas of the Sierra Nevada. They are often confused by casual observers. Across the remainder of the American West, Jeffrey pine is absent, with ponderosa pine being the sole yellow pine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_pine

The two are hard to tell apart & the Wikipedia article guide to their differences, doesn't first tell what they have in common.

They are so-similar they should be the same species, but the damn botanists decided they are not, even though they hybridize.

Here's the best guide to telling them apart, I've found, & I don't bother to tell them apart.

While I learned long ago a few basic things to help me identify the trees — “prickly ponderosa” or “gentle Jeffrey” as a way to differentiate the pinecones, and that the bark of a Jeffrey pine smells like vanilla or butterscotch — I can never confidently tell the two trees apart. Both have the same creviced bark with overlaying jigsaw pieces, three long needles in a bunch, and pyramid-shaped crowns. So, what are the differences that set them apart?

“The Jeffrey pine very closely resembles the ponderosa pine but is a distinct species chemically, ecologically, and physiologically,” says the “Sierra Nevada Natural History” guide. Compared to its bigger cousin, the ponderosa, the Jeffrey’s bark is darker and more narrowly furrowed (grooved) and is, of course, renowned for its vanilla scent. The needles are thicker and duller than the ponderosa, and its cones larger and heavier with inward facing scale tips.

http://www.moonshineink.com/mountain-life/which-tree-which

Tree names matter in fire control too. Yellow Pine is also a catch-all name for some southern U.S. pines.

Ponderosa bark with a Gopher Snake at top center.

The 10" snake at center.
hooblie

climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
Nov 21, 2018 - 07:33pm PT
rake, rake, rake. but i wouldn't sell the fire trucks just yet
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Nov 21, 2018 - 08:01pm PT
The ecology of California is largely fire-adapted.

The ecology CA used to have was adapted to the fires CA used to have. Even beyond the fuel load that has built up over decades of fire supression, the climate is hotter and drier and invasive beetles and disease have done a real number on the forests.

So I think there are a lot of trees that are no longer adapted to the conditions they face.

I think the transition to a new ecology is going to be very painful.
TLP

climber
Nov 21, 2018 - 08:10pm PT
DMT, I think you may be misinterpreting many of the photos in your link. You need to look at BOTH the before and after, and in many of the after photos, the trees still have leaves and fine twigs...except of course the ones right overhanging the house that burned, and which were scorched by the house fire. Many of the burned houses were probably ignited either by embers (the nearby trees being irrelevant) or by nearby burning structures or propane tank explosions. The photos show clearly that the vast majority of the pine trees did not experience crown fire - and they generally do not, unless there are sufficient ground and ladder fuels. Many of the Paradise homes in those pictures, the owners had indeed raked their forest, but their houses burned anyway.

Coffey Park had no forest around it at all, yet the entire subdivision burned up, thousands of homes. How does that fit in your interpretation?

Certainly houses with poor defensible space are really at risk; this was the case for the Angora Fire in South Lake Tahoe, in a neighborhood I was very familiar with. There were a lot of houses with really dense, small size lodgepole pines right up against the houses. But you should read the USFS post-fire analysis, easily available online. It's not the simple picture of communities built in the forest as is often repeated.

I think much more attention needs to be paid to building materials and methods, along with management of lower-stratum fuels in intact forest, NOT just using it as an excuse to log and reset to small size woody plants which burn like crazy (exhibit A: Camp Fire itself).

August, you are absolutely right - a lot of the presently conifer-forested area of the Sierra is in the process of converting to shrubland and oak. Completely different, and a land cover type which will generally burn 100%, along with every house in it that is built from wood.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Nov 22, 2018 - 09:33am PT
The more stringent codes are already here (wildland urban interface) and practiced in scattered jurisdictions. I've built 3 houses in moderate to high fire danger areas in the last couple years. The main components are class A roofing, exterior firewalls, and eave venting that automatically close off with high heat. Basically eliminating any method of burning embers to contact flammables.Added costs are probably less than $4.00 psf.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 22, 2018 - 09:42am PT
$4/SF? That’s hard to believe. On the other hand if it were $25/SF it would still be a bargain.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Nov 22, 2018 - 10:47am PT
Here's the breakdown on a 2000sf ranch with a 3 car garage. Flame block sheathing add $1200. Exterior 5/8 type x gypboard add $3600. 250' Vulcan venting add $2500. Misc flashings add $300. Concrete lap siding versus regularly used lap siding is a wash. And I always use a class A rated roof anyway. Total contractors cost without markup $7600 Reilly.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 22, 2018 - 10:59am PT
OK, what about windows? Don’t most windows explode? And even if you have a Class A
roof what about eaves? And assuming your eaves are encased in 3/4” of stucco how
ember-proof are ‘ember-proof’ eave vents? And if you forego eave vents then you’ve fired a
warning shot across Title 24 regs, no?

Not starting a pissing match, this stuff is beyond my ken so I’m just wondering. Personally,
if I was gonna build my dream house in wildfire country I would strongly consider an earthen
home. I’ll probably just wind up buying outside Forks, Washington (100”/yr) or Sitka, AK(120”/yr). 😉
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Nov 22, 2018 - 11:20am PT
The eaves are soffitted with conrete board over 5/8 type x with a Vulcan strip vent running down the center. Exterior doors are all metal, but I agree the windows could be a weak point if the homeowner doesn't maintain at least a 30' defensible perimeter without coniferous trees or dry shrubs over 3' tall.
DMT- Bring back asbestos building products ( with government indemnity against lawsuits in high fire danger locales) and retrofits of existing structures could be done affordably with a high degree of survivability when combined with common sense forest management practices and active homeowner maintenance of defensible space.
G_Gnome

Trad climber
Cali
Nov 22, 2018 - 01:30pm PT
Rick, would you want to work with asbestos products? How safe are they now days?
TLP

climber
Nov 22, 2018 - 02:45pm PT
Rick S., you are exactly spot on in nearly every point: there are a LOT of reasonably affordable building materials and methods that greatly enhance the fire resistance of a house, it is so good to have the details from someone who is hands-on with them. But as you say, you also have to manage your immediate defensible space and surrounding lands correctly as well. It's essential to keep fires as ground fires, not involving the whole canopy height which generates so much heat there's no fire resistance that's good enough except all-concrete and nothing flammable in the interior either (unrealistic). In chaparral, it's nearly impossible to achieve effective defensible space, 100 ft is not enough in fires driven by high winds.

I'd hesitate a bit about the asbestos but not reject it out of hand. There are different minerals all lumped together under that word, maybe certain of them would be OK but IMHO it would be a bit hasty to just reverse the prohibition without more info and maybe some qualification about what's allowed and what's not. Cementitious siding instead of wood seems like a great idea, questionable cost (not sure if that's one of your options mentioned).

Jim B comments on the limited hours of fire resistance that different things are rated for. True that, but if the surrounding area has no fuel that burns for longer than, say, 1 hour, that's all the fire resistance you need (depending on how your neighbor's house is built and how close it is). Not only are interior sprinklers really destructive too, but largely pointless because by the time they activate, your house is probably largely burning on the outside already (to make the interior hot enough to trigger the sprinklers), or will burn anyway because all the sprinklers are wetting is the interior. In some areas, they put under-eave sprinklers, not interior, and that makes a lot of sense.

California has always had these big, high-wind-driven fires. The data suggests we're having more of them nowadays but it doesn't matter: we need to brainstorm all of the aspects of having communities in highly flammable ecological zones (most of the state), and start putting them all into effect, starting with the quickest, least debatable, and most affordable (in some combination). Aspendougy's idea that all parcels need to be about 50 acres and have no plant matter on them wouldn't be among those. (Think about the erosion!)

Fritz, I was always skeptical Jeffrey and ponderosa pines were different species, but queried the Man (Critchfield) for pine systematics, and he assured me they're definitely different and explained the characters that really set them apart. So I'm convinced. But neither the bark appearance nor the supposed vanilla smell are reliable at all. The prickles, so-so, cone size useless, etc. Seeds are a good character, and there are some good characters relating to vegetative branch tips. Tricky, but they're definitely separate species. Jeffrey can be huge, up to about 7 ft diameter that I have seen, lifespan can exceed 600 years (surviving multiple giant fires, no doubt).

Happy Thanksgiving everyone, hopefully anyone who can spare time or cash or both has done what they could to help our fire refugees. Could easily be a lot of us who post here (probably was!).

mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 22, 2018 - 06:10pm PT
https://www.npr.org/2018/11/22/670249463/with-one-california-fire-contained-survivors-find-rays-of-hope-amid-the-horror

Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Nov 22, 2018 - 06:40pm PT
^^^^That better NOT be romaine lettuce.
Minerals

Social climber
The Deli
Nov 22, 2018 - 08:39pm PT

Re. asbestos

There are different minerals all lumped together under that word...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbestos

Six mineral types are defined by the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) as "asbestos" including those belonging to the serpentine class and those belonging to the amphibole class. All six asbestos mineral types are known to be human carcinogens.[11][12] The visible fibers are themselves each composed of millions of microscopic "fibrils" that can be released by abrasion and other processes.[2]


I used to find chrysotile in outcrops of sheared serpentine where I grew up.

Chrysotile
Chrysotile, CAS No. 12001-29-5, is obtained from serpentinite rocks which are common throughout the world. Its idealized chemical formula is Mg3(Si2O5)(OH)4.[13] Chrysotile appears under the microscope as a white fiber.
Chrysotile has been used more than any other type and accounts for about 95% of the asbestos found in buildings in America.[14] Chrysotile is more flexible than amphibole types of asbestos, and can be spun and woven into fabric. The most common use was corrugated asbestos cement roofing primarily for outbuildings, warehouses and garages. It may also be found in sheets or panels used for ceilings and sometimes for walls and floors. Chrysotile has been a component in joint compound and some plasters. Numerous other items have been made containing chrysotile including brake linings, fire barriers in fuseboxes, pipe insulation, floor tiles, residential shingles, and gaskets for high temperature equipment.

TLP

climber
Nov 23, 2018 - 01:34pm PT
Thanks for the link, Minerals, it's an excellent Wikipedia article. It doesn't seem that any of the six are suitable for incorporation into building materials that are going to be sawed or drilled, which pretty much rules them out for just about any residential purpose. There are surely alternatives that provide reasonably fire-resistant siding at the same or not much higher cost, without the risks. Not my area, just seems like it ought to be possible (hardieboard - don't know about affordability).

DMT hits the key point: fire-adapted species. What we who live in the mountains, foothills, and coast ranges of California need to become is fire-adapted communities. There's no way, especially under current and anticipated future climate, that we'll be able to avoid these big fires driven by high winds.

To be sure, the utilities should be doing much more to decrease the risk posed by their lines. The idea that they might brown us out to avoid starting fires is better than nothing, but still a very weak bandaid and proof that their lines and the vegetation around them need to be maintained way better. That part of their expenses ought to be recoverable from customers, it's just what the cost is. Underground would be great but is completely financially infeasible. Liabilities, sorry stockholders, every investment carries risk, and you lost on that one.

But we will still have these fires. In August/September 1987, there was a period of intense dry thunderstorms for about 2 weeks, and as a result the statewide burned area (Cal Fire, USFS, BLM, etc.) was 873,000 acres. (Go to this page http://www.fire.ca.gov/fire_protection/fire_protection_fire_info_redbooks for access to fire summaries for 1943 to 2016.)

In 2008, lightning started a bunch of fires too, one of which (Humboldt Fire) burned 80 or so houses in Paradise; only by the luck of wind and weather shift did the whole town not burn up at that time. There was a Butte County Grand Jury study and report (https://www.buttecounty.net/Portals/1/GrandJury/08-09/Grand_Jury_Report_FY08-09-Sec10.pdf) about the fire and evacuation vulnerabilities of that part of the County.

There are also a variety of newspaper and other reports, including eyewitness statements of people who stayed (or didn't have a chance to evacuate before the fire was upon them), reinforcing that one of the main risks is embers landing on roofs and decks, and houses were saved when these were put out, or burned if they weren't:

"Cory Adams had his home inspected by a Cal Fire officer in April. The only thing he was told was to clean the gutters on two adjacent units.
Most of his property is gravel, dirt and grass that's either been mowed by him or munched by his two llamas. ..."Your house is gone," the neighbor said. "There's nothing left."...Adams said firefighters told him that the house caught fire from floating embers that landed on the roof."

"Lawrentz, 80, had an acre-size ring of mowed grass around his property. All brush was moved away. It had been too windy to prepare as he normally does for fire season: tilling the protection zone around his house into dirt. He'd recently put on a new roof. ... It was still standing - but it was surrounded by scorched earth, charred trees and a dusting of ash. ... As they inspected the house, they found the wide-tread tracks of fire equipment encircling the house, a hint of what had happened in their absence. They also found five places where the deck had caught on fire - and firefighters had put it out."

And so on. These quotes are from https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/74-Paradise-homes-destroyed-by-Humboldt-Fire-3209635.php

The article begins with a photo of people visiting the ruins of their house, with dense unburned woody vegetation right behind. Doesn't look even remotely like defensible space, but it didn't burn - only the house did.

There's an excellent post-fire analysis of the Angora fire by the USFS, available here: http://bofdata.fire.ca.gov/board_committees/monitoring_study_group/msg_archived_documents/msg_archived_documents_/murphy_usfs_2007_a.pdf

"Fire spread into this residential area with relatively low flame lengths. Almost all of the trees immediately to the west of the residences (in the fuel treatment unit) have unburned crowns indicating low to moderate intensity surface fire behavior. Photographic and video evidence support this conclusion.

"After spreading into the residential area the fire ignited combustible material adjacent to houses which then ignited the houses. Interviews with homeowners indicated that many of the houses had attached decks with combustible material stored under the deck. In some cases direct flame impingement from a low intensity surface fire ignited these combustibles, which then ignited the deck and ultimately the house.

"Visual examinations on the ground and aerial photos reveal that much of the vegetation between houses did not burn or burned with surface fire. Interviews with firefighters, other eyewitnesses, and video examination indicate that many houses ignited from burning embers produced by house fires upwind. A cycle of spotting from house to house in this area ended only when the fire ran into a buffer of trees with reduced house density to the northeast of Mt Shasta Circle."



In short, the report shows that reducing ground and ladder fuels so that a fire in forest composed of large enough thick-barked conifer trees (the type of forest being a critically important factor) burns as a relatively "mild" ground fire is a huge factor in increasing community safety. But equally important are several others:

1) managing the immediate defensible space around every house to maintain that low flame length (some houses that burned in the Angora Fire had dense, small, bushy lodgepole pines right up against the house - I saw them myself a couple years prior to the fire).

2) either not storing combustible materials in the yard, or protecting them from embers (difficult but possible)

3) maximizing the fire resistance of the houses themselves (at a minimum, with intumescent exterior paint; they probably all had class A roofs but that's still vulnerable if large embers land; vents that close or exclude embers; and so on)

4) no wood deck unless you plan to stay and put out embers that land on it;

5) and the authorities hate to admit it, but the best thing is for people in defensible situations to stay and control spot fires. There are just going to be too many of these for them to get them all, and once you have one house going, a lot of nearby and downwind ones are at extreme risk too.

There's a lot of discussion available from various sources about the nature of the evacuation orders for Paradise. Same thing comes up every one of these fires. They want everyone out (wrong idea, but they do), but the roads just can't handle that many vehicles all at once. People will die along the way, or just be stuck in the neighborhood unable even to get on the road out. So they think, let's phase it by zones (you can see this on the Camp Fire incident page on Cal Fire, for just one example). This doesn't work, communications are difficult, the fires move way too quickly, and so on; It's still a disaster.

The bottom line is, it's just not possible to evacuate these communities from the kinds of fires we now have and will have more of. We just need to make the communities much, much more fire-adapted. The Angora Fire analysis and many other sources provide a lot of guidance. We just need to do it.
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Nov 24, 2018 - 10:44am PT

^^^

Sounds thought out and reasonable.

I'm guessing the majority of people living in the foothills don't think that through.

So CA is going to continue to have lives lost and a lot of property destroyed from fires.

The state could try more heavy hand regulation but I'm not sure how effective that would be.

If Paradise type fires become routine enough, maybe fear will drive some positive changes.

Maybe.
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Nov 24, 2018 - 11:01am PT
So for staying at home, is there a risk of losing water pressure (on municipal water) during a fire?
John M

climber
Nov 24, 2018 - 11:20am PT
Yes.. the water went out in Paradise according to people who stayed. Some had alternate sources of water such as a pool. Another I believe had a well and a generator to power it. Some just seemed to get lucky. According to multiple stories, the wind died in some areas for about an hour. In one story I listened to the man seemed to get lucky because the wind was blowing from across the street from him and there was not home opposite him. His neighbors on both sides lost homes, but there were homes across the street from them. I don't know if he would have been able to save his home with just a hose if the wind had come from the direction of one of this neighbors. Once a house goes up it becomes a kind of blow torch in high winds. In last years fires in Southern California there are stories of people in neighborhoods trying to save their homes with a garden hose but couldn't once the neighbors house went up.

there is a lots to consider in these kinds of fires. I wonder if each neighborhood had a group of volunteer firefighters assigned to it and they had hoses and each neighborhood had its own water tank with generator and pumps. . It would take a lot of coordination and training. Plus some money to implement, but then the local fire department could send one trained man into each neighborhood to guide the volunteers.
Just a thought.


Thanks to those with knowledge who are posting up. I have been learning a lot.

My heart still breaks for those who lost their homes.
TLP

climber
Nov 24, 2018 - 12:46pm PT
I just agonize for those who lost homes and/or friends and family. It's awful and cause for much lost sleep, living as I do in a setting that could easily have the same tragedies next year.

The most important thing is to recognize what happens in these events, namely, that burning houses and firewood piles are a much much bigger problem than vegetation. It's relatively easy to do the vegetation management, and most people have in fact done that. Making our houses and yards less fire-susceptible, not so much.

It's not a good idea to focus too much on the stay-and-protect vs. evacuate and hope the local fire department saves your individual house. That's not the point, the point is to make every house and yard much less vulnerable to anything more than just tiny spot fires, so that it's conceivable to stay and put those out, but equally to make it easier for the F.D. to save your house and those of all your neighbors. If you've got a wood pile and wood deck all going, they're going to bail and go next door and put out some spot fires, then maybe come back but probably not because by then yours is a total loss so why waste their time. They're totally up front about it, they go to the houses they can save and let the basket cases go up. Makes sense to me.

There are additional categories of people who stay: those who are incapable of evacuating in a rush, those whose vehicles aren't working (or break down inconveniently), and those who got stuck in traffic or couldn't even get on the road out, every street already a parking lot. It may not be a choice.

I agree with the Honnold analogy only in part. True, if you have no last ditch escape or shelter plan, if you fail you die, horribly. No way would I hope for Lucky in that case either. But the analogy breaks down in one main way: in this case, with some prep, you can change the difficulty of the climb, bring it down from 5.13a to maybe 5.4. That's in the range I'd go for any day.

The fire fighting strategy bears some discussion too - local groups with some minimal equipment, more vehicles and humanpower for the F.D., whatever. But the most important thing is to reduce the fire susceptibility in the first place. That does mean some requirements and infringement on what you can do, but so be it.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Nov 24, 2018 - 03:32pm PT
Some interesting and informed discussions on this thread.

I believe the last megafire I worked in CA was the Rim fire some years back. At the time it may have been one of the larger fires in the state, but it seems like that record has been surpassed several times.

My heartfelt condolences to those who lost their homes on the Camp fire. I can’t imagine the stress and strain on the first responders. Unfortunately this is the new abnormal and we can likely expect many more devestating fires in the coming years, particularly in CA given the population density and fuel types. I’m not sure we have any way to avoid these types of fires given the warming planet but do have some observations to add.

My colleagues who regularly fight fire in CA tell me a typical response for a “smoke report” is an air attack (aerial supervisor), two air tankers, a heavy helicopter, 1-2 medium helicopters, 2 hand crews (40 persons), and 10 engines, plus miscellaneous overhead. That’s a lot of “firepower” compared to much of the rest of the country. They are able to catch likely over 95% of those fires, it’s those handful that get way that make the news...

If I lived in a Wildland Urban interface area (WUI) in CA, I’d consider flame resistant housing (stucco, brick), and maintain the largest defensible space I could (removing as much flammable vegetation as possible). I’d consider an auxiliary water facility (i.e. cistern), generator and sprinklers to cover the roof and housing. Still, the possibility and intensity of a burning structure 20’ from mine would be unsettling.

Hooblie posted a pic of forest thinning outside Flagstaff, AZ on the previous page of this thread. This is part of a forest restoration act (4FRI) which has been ongoing for quite some time in NAZ. Although there has been some questionable cutting, this has been a very successful program implemented by city, state and fed governments to reduce the risk of catastrophic wildfires in this part of the state. Also, the forest surrounding Flagstaff is fairly aggressive in letting lightning caused fires run their course. These strategies have been mostly successful in protecting out cities over the last 15-20 years.

As a firefighter with more than two decades experience on wildland fires across this country, I’d suggest if we want to reduce the risk of catastrophic wildfires, we need to implement more mechanical treatments as in thinning of smaller trees, get used to breathing more smoke from managed fires and start building with more flame resistant materials.

Clyde

Mountain climber
Boulder
Nov 24, 2018 - 04:41pm PT
Pretty much every issue in this recent part of the thread, I covered in my book, The Fire Smart Home Handbook. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

Mitigation info is out there ad nauseam, mostly written by people who have never done it and don't live it. The free info sucks so bad, as a homeowner dealing with the land truth, I found it was pretty much unusable. Even Boulder's much touted Wildfire Partners program is mostly a sham.

The few people who read my book will know at least something about building materials, fending off the fire, even fire bunkers and surviving during an evac. When I wrote it, I was thinking of the standard WUI where staying is often better than evacuating (politically incorrect).

Here's the irony, and my major mistake, I ignored the biggest threat: city dwellers blissfully unaware. I'm truly safer here than the people on the west edge of Boulder even though I'm surrounded by forest. The massive Texas fires in 2011 and Waldo Canyon in 2012 should have clued me in. But I was too focused on us WUI dwellers.

At least those of us in the WUI have options. The clueless city dwellers are the subjects of their government. It isn't the trees or shrubland but the house next door that is the biggest threat. Their evac routes are down-sized for bike lanes, the old water infrastructure can't handle crisis demand, the head people are elected rather than selected. Now with a larger home-free population living on the fringes of cities, disaster is inevitable. And little of this has anything to do with climate change or beetle kill but that's what will get the blame from gullible media.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Nov 24, 2018 - 05:09pm PT
Good points Clyde. I too believe that disaster is inevitable. Though I beg to differ on one point, climate change (a warming planet) has made a big difference in the intensity of wildfires in the last couple decades.

Interesting you brought up Texas 2011 (spent 55 days there on assignment) and watched in slack jawed horror as 350+ homes burned on the Waldo fire (Colorado Springs 2012 or so).

The city folks have it tough. Those of us that live in the Wildlands or WUI have much better chances by taking management into our own hands... If we as a country want to reduce the risk of catastrophic wildfire, we should be more proactive in mechanical thinning of smaller diameter vegetation and introducing more fire into fire prone landscapes. It’s a tough sell though and at times a dangerous gamble, with reduced budgets for forest management and reluctance of people to inhale smoke from controlled burns.
TLP

climber
Nov 24, 2018 - 07:04pm PT
Albatross, thanks for weighing in based on your experience. It's right in line with the findings in that Angora report linked above. There had been a lot of fuel management in the upwind forest prior to the fire, and it helped a lot. Likewise, "urban lots" owned by USFS and the Tahoe Conservancy had been heavily managed: shrub stratum greatly reduced (often eliminated), smaller diameter trees removed, etc. Exactly what you suggest. Turned out these too helped a huge amount. See the quotes above.

But we all recognize, fires are going to happen. Some from power lines. Some (Angora) from incompletely extinguished campfires. Some from lightning. At Angora, the initial fire burned largely as surface fire or scorching but not fully involving the crown stratum. Not too bad. Then it got to a couple of houses with firewood piles and decks, and from there it was off to the races and consumed a few hundred homes, I think. Defensible space within the neighborhood was mostly OK, as it is usually defined. But embers from burning houses ignited other houses.

There were places where steep slopes and the high winds at the time resulted in crown fires of thinned forest. But mostly not.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Nov 24, 2018 - 09:48pm PT
My house is in tall forest with dense underbrush and no nearby neighbors within eyesight. I belong to the county search and rescue team and two volunteer fire districts with very experienced firefighters and trainers. The nearby fire hall gives me a choice to drive a 350-gallon brush truck or a 1100-gallon urban interface engine or a 3000-gallon tender. There's normally only two or three of us responding that station. Sometimes I park the engine in my driveway. I spent most of the summer clearing back brush for 50 to 100 feet away from the house and long access road. I installed a large water tank on the slope above the house with a pull-start Honda pump driving a pre-placed fire hose lay and connection to the house plumbing. The house has a well and two backup generators and with sprinkler and soaker hoses installed all around the house under the eves. There are also garden sprinklers installed on all sides of the house. My place has a one-acre pond and the Honda pump can be moved to the pond to fill fire engines or to directly feed fire hose lays. So do I feel prepared? No, not under the conditions we are observing.
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Nov 24, 2018 - 10:46pm PT
^well, i think you're prepared, fwiw.
sounds like you must be present to win though to some degree.
TLP

climber
Nov 25, 2018 - 08:31am PT
Sounds like you're well situated to deal with a moderate intensity fire at your house, but if it's a crown fire, no chance. They're just too hot. Thin that lower vegetation stratum out at least 1000 feet so a crown fire drops to the ground, and you're good to go if you're there. There was a silviculture field experiment in Lassen NF a decade or so ago, testing different thinning and other treatments not for fire resistance but for maximizing timber production and other values. A fire burned right through it and they thought it was ruined, but on the contrary it showed that, even with zero human response, the treatment with lower level fuels removed dropped to a ground fire and the forest was fine in that plot. Consistent with theory, but nice to have an empirical demonstration.
Clyde

Mountain climber
Boulder
Nov 25, 2018 - 03:47pm PT
I'm in a similar situation as Tom. Surrounded by roughly 2,000 acres of ponderosa (smells like vanilla)/fir and actively manage about 40 acres around us (hence my experience writing the book). Neighbors far enough away we can barely see them. We have a 10,000 gallon cistern on the property for the neighborhood. Backup generator to keep the well running. After all my work, fairly confident our house will survive if I'm not home. Very confident if we stay and far safer than evacing. Aside from all the mitigation, we have 200' of hose, fire gel to spray, multiple water can extinguishers, etc.

FWIW I don't recommend rooftop or other sprinklers. Sound good in theory but if you're on city, the water pressure will likely fail, and if you're on well, you'll suck it dry and burn out the motor; plus water evaporates too fast (foam is better, gel is best). Heat-resistant paint is mostly a joke. Some windows can actually start fires from intense reflection. Siding is less important than many, many other factors. There's a lot of BS sold in this market that primarily separates money from wallets with no benefits at all. Do your homework.

Since Boulder routinely gets winds over 100 mph and they've done little for prep, besides lip service, don't be surprised if there's a fire that rivals some of the recent Cali events.



steve s

Trad climber
eldo
Nov 25, 2018 - 05:28pm PT
Clyde, Thanks for posting the info. What type of gel do you have ready? Foam ? My house in Eldo is definitely at risk because of the proximity of the houses and the fact that the brush and dead fall has accumulated over the years. The last several years the community has done multiple brush cleanups with the help of the local fire department......still a long way to go.
Long time no see. Hope you are well. Steve Sangdahl
TLP

climber
Nov 25, 2018 - 05:33pm PT
Thanks to both Timid and Clyde for correction and information. I do plan to do some homework! probably starting with your book...
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Nov 25, 2018 - 06:31pm PT
Blazetamer 384 is a gel product that was used on the 416 fire this summer near Durango. That product along with several others is being tested by the State of Colorado as an additive to make water more effective and longer lasting. I mostly fight fire with helicopters, but I’m sure those products could be put in a ground pump or engine.

Pruning trees and pile burning is a great community activity to get the whole neighborhood involved in mitigating fire risk. I live in a remote Juniper grassland in northern AZ. Last winter I burned a fire line around my property and plan to do more burning in the next two months.

I agree with the poster who commented about Boulder area being in danger. It’s not “if”, it’s “when” will it burn. I can recall off the top of my head at least half dozen Front Range fires in the last 6 years or so that have been quite difficult to contain. Keep in mind that with winds over about 30 mph, most fire aircraft will be ineffective or grounded.

Edit to add: gels and foams are two different products, both used by wildland firefighters.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Nov 26, 2018 - 01:46pm PT
Drove down PCH day before Turkey Day.
Through Malibu it was very sobering.
PCH is 4 lanes wide.
About 1/3 of the mega houses on the uphill side were damaged. A few destroyed.

A large number of houses on the ocean side of the highway are also destroyed! So the fire jumped downhill (from the steep mountains) with high intensity across 60 or so feet of asphalt and berms!

WTF!!!
A very sobering view.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
Wilds of New Mexico
Nov 26, 2018 - 03:46pm PT
Fires on the coast can be driven by Santa Ana winds, which accelerate and heat as the air moves downhill. No problem jumping freeways, etc.
Batrock

Trad climber
Burbank
Dec 1, 2018 - 01:51pm PT
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/29/opinion/sunday/california-wildfires-forest-management.html?fbclid=IwAR03FtjzWQ7kYLVLxbYbdf60AJnDzW2ixXfQ1JBKsKByJprkdHWsZkkkmRU
Minerals

Social climber
The Deli
Dec 3, 2018 - 11:16am PT
Interesting article, Batrock. Thanks.

Another:

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-paradise-survivors-20181202-htmlstory.html
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Dec 4, 2018 - 09:56am PT
Thanks, Batrock. You beat me to that NY Times article. That's some critical info. Of particular interest to me was the pre-Euro levels of burn, something I've often wondered about. Besides fires started by natives, any lightning strike started fire would burn until it ran out of fuel or winter struck. So chew on these stats:

"Approximately 6.9 million acres burned in California wildfires from 2008 to 2017."

If pre-Euro (pre 1800's) fire level estimates are anywhere close, that period of time (10 years) would have seen more than DOUBLE that acreage burned--15 million acres.

Smoky skies, summer through fall every year. Now, with about 40 million people, including morons, criminals, and those who have/cause accidents, including aging infrastructure (power lines, etc.), including some dry/dead forest, and you get what we have today and the tragedies of the Carr, Camp, and other fires. It's interesting that nature is finding a way to burn no matter what. We just happen to be in the way. Oy.

BAd

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 4, 2018 - 10:40am PT
From The Economist via U of Maryland, Columbia U, and Lund U:

“Wildfires cause 330,000 premature deaths a year by spewing smoke,
far more than by trapping victims.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Dec 4, 2018 - 06:31pm PT
The Camp Fire may be out but the damage continues

California's Camp Fire didn't just kill dozens of people and destroy thousands of homes. It also left an insurance company in financial ruins, unable to pay millions of dollars to policyholders.

A state judge ruled that Merced Property & Casualty Co. can't meet its obligations after last month's Camp Fire, the deadliest and most destructive wildfire in California history.

Merced's assets are about $23 million, but it faced about $64 million in outstanding liabilities just in the city of Paradise , court filings show.

Judge Brian McCabe's decision allows the California Department of Insurance to take control of Merced. According to court documents, the state's Conservation & Liquidation Office will start liquidating what's left of the company.

The insurance industry will cover the claims, they can not afford to have insured homeowners lose faith in the system. expect rates to go way up in high risk areas.

https://www.10news.com/news/national/wildfire-in-california-causes-insurance-company-to-go-under
TLP

climber
Dec 4, 2018 - 07:35pm PT
Bad, read upthread a bit more carefully. The reason for the (human) property damage and deaths from these fires has practically zero to do with vegetation fires, and everything to do with construction practice and the foothill/mountain lifestyle of storing flammable crap all around our houses. There is no reason at all that anyone should need to evacuate when a giant wildfire burns through. All we need to do is limit vegetation so that the fire burns as surface fire only when it is in the neighborhood, clear a mere 5 feet of space of anything burnable at all, build our houses to be more ember resistant, and above all not to store firewood and so on all around. The wildfires are not a problem at all, it is the urban fires they become that is damaging. There are tons of references from highly authoritative sources to this effect, yet no one in the media or government is talking about the real issue at all.
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Dec 5, 2018 - 06:38am PT
You're right, TLP. A century of severe fire suppression and millions of people moving into fire prone areas have nothing to do with it. You are aware that the Camp fire burned so hot that cars were melted together? With flames blowing horizontally at high speed, do you really think a five foot clearance would make any meaningful difference? We need a lot more controlled burns and less construction in forested areas, regardless of how careful you are with where you place your firewood. Read the NY Times article. It's hard to argue that fuel buildup isn't a huge, huge, huge issue. You move into a pool of gasoline, it only takes a spark to ruin your day.

BAd
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Dec 5, 2018 - 07:58am PT
^^^ TH yea we were just given a 30 day cancelation notice by our agent. Not sure what would happen if the place burned down within that time period. Merced has nothing left.

Interesting situation, we're in their highest risk tier given our place above the American River Canyon close to the PG&E and SMUD transmission lines. Merced was the only company willing to insure after the previous one canceled us along with just about everyone else we know in the community of Camino. Seems both PG&E facing major litigation and the insurance industry are in a non-sustainable business with such liabilities.

We'll see if the State steps forward, there is some sort of wrap around policy the State can offer to supplement an insurance company.
TLP

climber
Dec 5, 2018 - 08:40am PT
Bad, you're right that more burn area in uninhabited area would be in line with the ecological norm prior to all the development out in forest and shrubland. I did read the NYT item, and a bunch of others previously that all essentially said the same thing - total acreage of California shrubland and forest burned in recent decades is still way lower than previously, and the 6.9 million acres is still way too low to achieve the fire return intervals that are consistent with stable late seral forest. There isn't actually (yet) a confirmed trend that we're having more large fires now than before, even with increasing drought and heat. However, the Cal Fire list shows most of the known recorded large fires in terms of area are since 2000, and the research on this only goes through maybe 10 years ago and that might change if data up to 2018 were added to the same analysis. But the data is also very skewed toward recent times because we have better info. Jon Keeley (USGS fire researcher, fantastic scientist, has published like 100 or 1000 papers on California forest and shrubland fire ecology) provided solid information that by far the largest fire in 19th c. or later California history occurred in Southern California chaparral (1889 Santiago Canyon fire), and burned somewhere between 300,000 and 500,000 acres (abstract available at https://esajournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1890/08-0281.1 , with some surfing you can find the whole paper). So Cal chaparral is a different system than Sierra conifer forest, but others have published similarly rigorous analysis showing the same thing for Sierra forest.

It's also true there was a lot of flame in Paradise being blown sideways, as is typical during these kinds of events (it's always windy). But it was flame from HOUSES not vegetation. Look at the photos, in many of them, the only burned trees are the ones right around and above the ashes of burned houses. Same exact thing in the Angora fire, from which I posted a couple photos upthread, from the USFS report about effectiveness of fuel treatments. Here's one from Colorado, ecologically similar habitat (ponderosa pine forest):
The forest in this whole area had been treated, and a large part of it burned, including probably all of what you see in the photo. But only as a surface fire, leaving the tree canopy largely unaffected. Exactly what the point of fuel management and prescribed burns would be. Yet a lot of houses burned, because somehow that very low intensity surface fire, or maybe the small size of embers that can blow any significant distance through this habitat, ignited them.
Yes, the 5 feet makes a big difference, even in a windy fire. And not having firewood or lumber stacked around also is huge. But fire resistance is a community thing: everybody has to be on board, or you get one or two houses going and those provide the direct heat and big embers that ignite their neighbors. The fire intensities that burned those cars were the houses, not the vegetation. In Paradise, the Camp Fire was not a forest crown fire with flames blowing horizontally hundreds of feet from the trees, it was an urban fire and a lot of the trees remain standing and green in the town area.

I totally agree we should have more burned area in the Sierra, and that we will have more burned area no matter what we do, but we don't have to have whole towns burned up every year, as we have had both of the last two years. We just need to focus on the houses and yards and make them more fire resistant.
Minerals

Social climber
The Deli
Dec 7, 2018 - 07:14pm PT

https://projects.sfchronicle.com/2018/carr-fire-tornado/
TLP

climber
Dec 7, 2018 - 07:42pm PT
Wow, Minerals, that is incredible, and a whole new phenomenon. Occasionally there will be footage of minor ones, kind of like a little fire dust devil, but that's an amazing story and images and video. Wow.
sempervirens

climber
Dec 7, 2018 - 08:40pm PT
TH yea we were just given a 30 day cancelation notice by our agent.

Charlie, maybe foremost can insure you. I think they are owned by State Farm or Farmers.

https://www.foremost.com/

zBrown

Ice climber
Jan 14, 2019 - 02:04pm PT
PG&E Plans To File For Bankruptcy Over Possible Liability In California Wildfires
January 14, 20192:54 PM ET


Pacific Gas & Electric Corp., the parent company of California's largest utility, plans to file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection amid what could be billions of dollars in liability costs over the massive wildfires that have torn through California in recent years.

The company made the announcement Monday. Just hours earlier, PG&E said that its CEO, Geisha Williams, would be stepping down.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 14, 2019 - 02:44pm PT
^^^ Now dipsh!t Californians will see a real financial fiasco plus they’ll really holler when
their lights and A/C goes off.
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Jan 14, 2019 - 04:16pm PT
Reilly,

So what do you think the alternative should be?

Having CA give PG&E a bailout?

If taxpayers are going to be on the hook for PG&E, let them declare bankruptcy, wipe out the shareholders, and then have the state of CA take the business over.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 15, 2019 - 07:52am PT
Having the state take over will be a disaster. The state already showed its incompetence in
its oversight. If adequate oversight was possible (yes, an oxymoron) then something more
reasonable could be contrived. But we’re talking about a state that is spending $100 BILLION
on a train that nobody will ride.

And how about PG&E giving its lame ass CEO Geisha (😳) Williams a $4.5 million
golden parachute for quitting yesterday? You can’t make this sh!t up!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 15, 2019 - 08:36am PT
So the power goes out more often, so what?

My friend on dialysis doesn’t share yer sang froid.
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Jan 15, 2019 - 10:04am PT
BTW....we found an entity to insure us being in the highest risk tier - Lloyds of London. Our premium doubled to roughly $3600/yr, we were happy to find someone. The issue is they are not underwritten by the State of Calif so if they go belly up and we suffer a loss....that’s it.
Chaz

Trad climber
Jan 15, 2019 - 10:26am PT
Jesus! They could have bankrupted themselves by doing something useful - like burying their f*#king lines - and there'd be a hundred dead people still alive and a whole town still standing right now.

Granted a monopoly to sell something everybody has to have at the highest rate in the entire country, and they found a way to go broke!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 15, 2019 - 10:45am PT
Oh, yeah, and they’re a tad leery of insuring sinking ships. 😈
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Jan 15, 2019 - 10:55am PT
Having the state take over will be a disaster. The state already showed its incompetence in
its oversight. If adequate oversight was possible (yes, an oxymoron) then something more
reasonable could be contrived. But we’re talking about a state that is spending $100 BILLION
on a train that nobody will ride.

And how about PG&E giving its lame ass CEO Geisha (😳) Williams a $4.5 million
golden parachute for quitting yesterday? You can’t make this sh!t up!

So besides getting some popcorn and enjoying the show, CA should do what?

Turn into a completely unregulated company? Lawsuits would still bankrupt it.
Give it immunity from fire related lawsuits and just live with tens or hundreds of billions of dollar fires each year?

Pass a law saying the CEO can't get a multi-million dollar bonus?

I known, make snide comments on SuperTopo. That'll show em.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 15, 2019 - 11:36am PT
Pass a law saying the CEO can't get a multi-million dollar bonus?

That would be a very good start especially if said corp is a ‘public’ utility.
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Jan 30, 2019 - 10:19am PT
Camp Fire cause is still undetermined, not sure why there's so much blaming of PG&E is going on.
Tubbs Fire (Santa Rosa) had not been caused by PG&E, by the way, but by a homeowner -- as had been determined few days ago. Facts should be obtained first, before blaming PG&E (as to Paradise: anything, like dry lighting strike, homeless campfire, railroad spark, negligent homeowner would have easily caused it all to burn down...have you seen that environment, right around town, before the fire? It was obvious that it was not "if" but "when" question. Most insurers had left the town way before the fire).
The idea of burying the power lines...why should PG&E bury them, if federal, State regulations are all OK with not burying them and tax and rate payers (who'd have to pitch in, with enormous costs involved) would never agree to high costs of implementing this?
As to deaths in this fire: the real blame is in on the City of Paradise and Butte County, I think. They issued numerous construction permits over years in a very high risk area, while it was clear that there're no adequate evacuation routes for that population. They had chosen not to install a siren. Of course, Butte County isn't such a lucrative suing subject as the power company...all they got to their name is probably the meth labs.
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Jan 30, 2019 - 11:13am PT
Camp Fire cause is still undetermined, not sure why there's so much blaming of PG&E is going on.

Sure, people are quick to point fingers. But PG&E is so confident of their innocence that they decided to preemptively declare bankruptcy in order to reduce their payout for fire related damages.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Mar 5, 2019 - 12:46pm PT
https://www.fresnobee.com/news/state/california/article226887989.html

California wildfires in 2018 killed more than 100 people, destroyed more than 22,000 buildings and burned over 1.8 million acres of land, making it the worst fire year on record, trailed closely by 2017.

“This coming year has all the indications of being just as possibly catastrophic as last year and the year before,” Cal Fire Director Thom Porter told a Senate committee in January.

Of further interest:
Inmates help battle California’s wildfires. But when freed, most can’t get firefighting jobs.
https://www.fresnobee.com/news/state/california/article217422815.html
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Mar 5, 2019 - 06:55pm PT
Just because you like to watch sh#t burn doesn’t mean you’re a bad person Dingus .
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 5, 2019 - 09:04pm PT
He got the heinous 3 hots and a cot.* Out in 15, if that. Oh, the horror!

*with cable, of course. It would be cruel and inhumane otherwise, right?
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