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khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 22, 2014 - 05:09pm PT
Many of us live or recreate in areas with extreme wildfire risk. I thought I'd attempt to put relevant and current info in one place. If you know of a new fire or have important info (or questions), please post up!

My info sources, in the order I check them:
https://twitter.com/CAL_FIRE
http://hotlist.wildlandfire.com/forum.php
http://cdfdata.fire.ca.gov/incidents/incidents_current
http://inciweb.nwcg.gov
http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/ (weather, wind, smoke, fire danger, etc)
+ Various Wildfire maps and Modis data interfaces, including:
http://wildlandfire.maps.arcgis.com/

A great summary of fires for California is Yubanet. They have a nice table that is updated very frequently: http://yubanet.com/fire.php

The wildlandfire.com forum is the most accurate and quickly updated and contains information critical to making informed choices about how to react if the fire is near you. I also have a contact at CalFire (former PIO and fire lookout for almost 30 years) who gives us important perspective when it really matters. The Inciweb site and web maps can help determine if smoke will blow your weekend climbing plans.


Current incidents:
Arizona: InciWeb
California: CalFire, InciWeb
Washington: InciWeb

(More to follow when I get a chance)

Edit: Added links to current info rather than having to update it all the time...
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jun 22, 2014 - 06:06pm PT
Fireplace Fire: Between the Old Coulterville Road and trail to El Cap from Tamarack
From the name, I'd guess it was near Fireplace Cliffs. Not many people go up that way.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 22, 2014 - 08:33pm PT
Yes, or "bluffs" as they called it.

I mentioned it because it did have the potential to go bigger and affect access into the valley.


I didn't include the Haigh fire, which was stopped a mile from my house, a hundred or so feet from Priest Coulterville Road at the base of the drainage that runs up to my property. It's also only a mile or two from Priest Station Cafe, run by the Anker family. Saw Leo there just the other day (does that man ever age?) What on earth would we do without burgers after climbing?

And yes, I'm more paranoid about this than anything. Ever.


Edit: Oak fire is 100 acres and 50% contained. 1 outbuilding destroyed and further evacuations in effect.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Jun 22, 2014 - 08:34pm PT
There was a severe fire started in the campground of Jacks Canyon, a popular sport climbing area in northern AZ, last Saturday around noon. I believe it ended up burning around 1200 acres. It would be prudent to check the status of the area before making travel pans.

Looking north from the restroom at the parking area.  6/15/2014
Looking north from the restroom at the parking area. 6/15/2014
Credit: the albatross

The fire jumped the canyon and from what I understand, "there is still a lot of green" in the canyon bottom.

This vehicle was parked in the general area of the point of origin of ...
This vehicle was parked in the general area of the point of origin of the fire.
Credit: the albatross

I don't know the status of the official investigation, but given the location of the fire, in my mind there is no doubt this fire was started one way or another, by rock climbers. Please be careful with fire. Anyone with information regarding the cause of this fire is encouraged to contact the proper authorities.

Geomac is another good source for fire perimeter maps.




khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 22, 2014 - 08:46pm PT
Very interesting, albatross.

Fuel moisture everywhere is at absolute record lows. Like 5% in some cases. This means anything can start a fire. Driving through dry grass, a cigarette, a pipe, anything.

So please be careful!

As resources get stretched it won't be possible to hit things hard from the outset, so something small can get huge incredibly fast.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Jun 22, 2014 - 09:09pm PT
Your right about it being extremely dry, particularly along a belt from Arizona, thru California and up into southern Oregon. Though it has been a rather mild year for wildfires, it won't take much (say a lightning storm) to stretch firefighting resources thin.

Jacks Fire, less than 90 minutes after it was spotted by FS lookouts. ...
Jacks Fire, less than 90 minutes after it was spotted by FS lookouts. I am thankful that no persons were seriously injured (or killed) on this human caused fire.
Credit: the albatross
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Jun 22, 2014 - 10:01pm PT
Two hot spots in California right now.
One to the northeast of Carmen City:

Credit: Ward Trotter


The other in the foothills east of Burbank, near Brand Park in Glendale.

Credit: Ward Trotter

This baby is 23% contained in the White Mountains of Arizona around Dehose:

Credit: Ward Trotter
BooDawg

Social climber
Butterfly Town
Jun 22, 2014 - 10:15pm PT
This evening at Colorado Rd., near Midpines was a small fire. A fire crew was on the scene as I drove past. There was little wind, and I'm hoping that they got it contained quickly.

Any news on this one?
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 24, 2014 - 07:49am PT
A lot of the smaller fires that get mopped up quickly aren't reported/handled state-wide. But I don't know the criteria for CalFire getting involved vs municipal.


Anyway, there is a red flag warning today for Alpine, Madera, and Mono Counties. The Oak fire was down-sized to 85 acres and is 90% contained.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jun 24, 2014 - 04:15pm PT
But I don't know the criteria for CalFire getting involved vs municipal.
In California, everything that is not "municipal", e.g. within designated city limits, and not within US land (USFS, USNPS, military reservation, etc) is CalFire responsibility.
So Eric, I'm pretty sure CalFire is your responsible agency. It's a good idea to go and visit their station (Groveland?) and get acquainted. They're always happy to meet their "clients" when they're not on a call.

However, CalFire has extensive mutual aid agreements so they will show up when called by the "responsible agency". CalFire did a huge amount of work on the Rim fire although the responsibility and overall fire management was USFS.

In Santa Cruz county CalFire and Santa Cruz county fire have extensive overlap and they work very closely.
Also, most counties (including Santa Cruz County) have their volunteers and full timers trained by CalFire to full CalFire standards.
They also collaborate on traffic accidents, medical emergencies, Castle Rock rescues. Santa Cruz county fire does surf rescues since that's such a specialty.
Here near Castle Rock any serious call gets a response from both the county fire company and CalFire. The two stations are 6 miles apart. When the CalFire station has been called out of the area the County company will cover the CalFire station with an engine and crew. Santa Cruz county fire and San Mateo/Santa Cruz county CalFire share the dispatch center and maintenance yard.

CalFire and county fire are pretty much joined at the hip for events within the county. CalFire of course can get called anywhere in the state. Sometimes even out of state.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jun 24, 2014 - 06:02pm PT
Fireplace Bluff area has a lot of fuel on the ground...

sounds good that they got that one contained. It is one of the prettiest walks in the Valley, up the Old Big Oak Flat road.

khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 24, 2014 - 06:11pm PT
I just realized that was where we went hiking a couple of weeks ago. Didn't know it was called that.

HT: yes, Calfire. We know many of those guys and always shoot them extra produce.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jun 25, 2014 - 01:57pm PT
(thread drift)
2 years ago I hiked up the Old Big Oak Flat trail past Fireplace Bluffs all the way to the Foresta trail jct and back. I cleaned the trail for Facelift.
I'd never been up that trail before.
Rather an adventure getting across the huge talus field beyond the wood yard. Very pretty when it gets into the forest.
A great day's outing. I saw one (1) (uno) other person on the entire hike. Not a lot of trash, either.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Jun 25, 2014 - 02:42pm PT
108 is closed in sonora--

5 acres in flames right behind the wal-mart

they've already got a chopper on it.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Jun 25, 2014 - 03:08pm PT
they've knocked it down.

as you were
Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Jun 28, 2014 - 10:00am PT
Nice to see this thread here. Quick references to info. when a fire starts. Info. is king and these are the areas everyone in fire looks at. I work in Seki fire doing logistics and its still pretty slow fire wise. But its like sitting inside of a box of matches as dry as it is. Here's another cool site to check out for fire stuff.

http://wildfiretoday.com/
RP3

Big Wall climber
Sonora
Jun 28, 2014 - 12:13pm PT
Photo a friend took of the great Walmart fire of 2014:
Credit: Melissa Johnson
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Jun 28, 2014 - 01:37pm PT
MODIS has CA pretty quiet today.
The exception being this flare-up northwest of Placerville. This thing looks like it might have the slight potential to expand --- given that the temps will soar over the next few days. The wind speed outlook is fairly stable over the same period (wsw 7 mph)

Credit: Ward Trotter

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This fire in east Arizona is getting some national media coverage and has burned more than 5k acres:

Credit: Ward Trotter



neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jun 28, 2014 - 02:34pm PT
hey there say, khanom... good thread... thanks for starting this...
:)
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 28, 2014 - 06:00pm PT
Fire conditions for this week and through the July 4 weekend will be BAD. Very hot and very windy through much of California.

Please be careful!

Especially:
1. no open burning
2. use outdoor power equipment before 10am
3. watch where you put that pipe down, eh
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jun 28, 2014 - 06:06pm PT
use outdoor power equipment before 10am
Thanks for the reminder to get up early tomorrow for my brush clearing project.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 28, 2014 - 10:59pm PT
No kidding. I've been shopping for a string trimmer / brush cutter. Too many options... Anybody have experience with the beefier units? I still have about an acre of tall grass and weeds to clear and I'm looking to reduce the time to do that.

I would just use my scythe but my snath is having issues.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jun 29, 2014 - 12:53pm PT
As a matter of fact I do have a recommendation.
I've got a 35 year old Husqvarna. It was a midsize model when I bought it. It can use either string or a cutting blade.
It gets about 40 hours use a year. Gave me trouble for the first time this year when it wouldn't start - no fuel. I went down to my local Husky guy who's been selling/repairing for 40 years or so. He sold me (for very few bucks) a new fuel filter and fuel lines. Suggested I take apart the carburetor and check for corrosion on a tiny screen filter. Didn't find any corrosion, replaced fuel lines and filter and BANG. Back to work again.

My wife was almost hoping I couldn't fix it so she could get the brand new model for $450. She does most of the weed whacking. We do a total of about 2 acres a year on rough ground.
I've got three Husky saws that have also never needed a major repair.

I'm guessing your work is moderate duty. Lots of area, dense, tough weeds, minimal brush. I'd suggest the Husky. Get the brush cutter blade if you think you'll be needing it. I've cut through manzanita (very tough wood) as thick as my thumb.
Whichever brush cutter you get, use the Husky string. It's far far better than any other string I've used. Cut's better and lasts much longer.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 29, 2014 - 02:20pm PT
Maybe you should sell me the old Husky :) I've been seeing more and more reviews slamming the build quality on Husqvarna equipment. I have a husky saw and think it's dandy, but am leaning toward Stihl or Echo for the trimmer. I can't afford it really but as they say, you can't afford cheap tools.

Yes, it's probably moderate duty -- heavy grass and weeds, about 2-2.5 acres total clearing per year. I scythe most of that. I do also have about 5 acres of heavy brush and manzanita that I'd love to thin out.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jun 30, 2014 - 03:23pm PT
http://cdfdata.fire.ca.gov/incidents/incidents_details_info?incident_id=987
Big brush fire adjacent to homes in southern San Jose.
If anyone remembers the Mazzones boulders, it's on the southeast side of that ridge.
Besides Santa Clara county units, CalFire is dispatching engines from all over Santa Cruz county and southern San Mateo county.
They're calling engines for structure protection.

My local Saratoga Summit crew (2 wildland engines and a 3000 gallon tanker) has gone to the Curie fire. An engine from Pescadero is being moved up to cover for them.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jun 30, 2014 - 03:30pm PT
My newest Husky is an arborist's saw from 2007. It's been fine. It has a plastic cover over the spark plug which got cracked in use. I replaced it for about $10.
Otherwise no trouble.
That's a very useful saw. I probably put more hours on it than my other two saws combined.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2014 - 06:44am PT
The Curie fire above the Santa Teresa neighborhood in San Jose is 125 acres and 75% contained.


via Instagram
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 1, 2014 - 05:47pm PT
Curie fire was 100% contained by the time I went to bed.

New much more dangerous fire in NE Napa County
[quote]http://cdfdata.fire.ca.gov/incidents/incidents_details_info?incident_id=988[/quote]
It's gone from 400 to 1000 acres in a few hours.

There are a few SuperTopoeans from Napa County.
One I know from Angwin about 5 miles of open land S of this fire.
This image was at 5:30 PM today
Credit: HighTraverse

Angwin in lower right corner
Mt Saint Helena in upper left just under the MODIS info
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2014 - 06:50pm PT
Just got home and saw the Butts fire... 2,500 acres in just 5 hours. Now 30% contained. Holy cow!

Hundreds of homes threatened and mandatory evacs in place.


Irony: "There are reports that a weed whacker may have started the fire but Cal Fire is investigating." (ABC news)


And I went with a Stihl FS 240. A real beast.


Edit: First the Rim Fire, now the Butt Fire. Somebody needs to rethink this naming thing.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2014 - 06:57am PT
ButtS fire. Sorry.

Now at 3,200 acres, still 30% contained. 5 structures burned. There are 1,000 fire firefighters battling this!

This is just north of where H just moved. Anyone else live in this area?

A map with basic MODIS data can be found here: http://bit.ly/1sVbHJh
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 2, 2014 - 09:32am PT
yeah, the names
Rim (of the world)
Butts (road)

looks as if Butts Fire is moving NE away from towns/villages. Just a very few ranches are in it's path. So far

Our local CalFire chief was at our firesafe council meeting last night.
They're really not looking forward to July 4th with the extremely low fuel moisture.

Cal Fire, CHP, State Park and Regional Open Space LEOs are going to be all over the SCruz mtns starting about 3 PM. They've already marked for 4th of July closure dozens of roadside turnouts along the county roads going up to Skyline Ridge (such as Page Mill Rd)

If you're coming up this way for the great fireworks views......you know what to do and not do.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 2, 2014 - 10:11am PT
We once name a fire the "Amplifire".. It went to "eleven" acres..;-)
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Jul 2, 2014 - 07:20pm PT
Thought I would post my neighborhood fire from the Idaho Owyhee Desert Fire-ecosystem. It is the second of the year within a mile of where we live.

Another close call with a fire on the west-side of the Snake River this evening. A neighbor called about 5:30PM with the news, then I took these photos over the next two hours.

The fire is now under control, thanks to the efforts of our Choss Creek & Bliss firecrews, and some BLM folks. To my surprise, no air resources were employed.

However, the boldness of our firefighters stopped the fire. Great job folks. We really like and respect what you do! Thank you!

The fire when I first looked at it.  A front was blowing by, and altho...
The fire when I first looked at it. A front was blowing by, and although temps were in the high 90's F, winds were gusting 15 to 25 MPH. I really thougt it would explode up the hillside. Bear in mind, the 300' wide Snake River is between me & the fire.
Credit: Fritz

The winds shift to driving it north, but the wind angle changed freque...
The winds shift to driving it north, but the wind angle changed frequently, and likely saved te day.
Credit: Fritz

The 1st fire truck on te scene drove up a narrow road above the Snake ...
The 1st fire truck on te scene drove up a narrow road above the Snake River, and right by the fire, which was moving uphill a few feet away. Gutsy. I didn't think they fought fire that way anymore.
Credit: Fritz

The Choss Creek Rural Fire Dept. responded with 2 tanker trucks, but B...
The Choss Creek Rural Fire Dept. responded with 2 tanker trucks, but BLM crews were also there, and likely Rural Fire Depts from other nearby towns.
Credit: Fritz

The fire kept burning north, but the fire trucks were gathering at a c...
The fire kept burning north, but the fire trucks were gathering at a choke point.
Credit: Fritz

Fie Trucks on a hill at a gravel pit.  They also had hose-crews out in...
Fie Trucks on a hill at a gravel pit. They also had hose-crews out in front, wetting down the vegetation.
Credit: Fritz

Hose-crew at center-left fighting fire from in front of it.  I didn't ...
Hose-crew at center-left fighting fire from in front of it. I didn't think this happened anymore? Due to low winds, and low vegetatiion, it worked just fine.
Credit: Fritz

The fire is pretty much out now with a swarm of fire crews working to mop it up.

Just another day in a fire eco-system.

A single-engine aerial tanker is now flying around the fire looking for a place to drop a load of fire retardant. The fire is all but out, and the winds have dropped from 15-20 mph to near calm, although the temps are still at about 100 F.

I guess the pilot needs some Federal money for his fire-fighting efforts.

I am impressed! The fire crews fought the fire like in the good old days of the late 1960's, when I put myself through college working summers for Forest Service Fire Crews.

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 2, 2014 - 07:27pm PT
There's a fire in the San Jacinto wilderness (near Idyllwild) that started yesterday...called the 'Cornell Peak' fire....apparently started by a lost hiker, who started a 'signal fire'...
JOEY.F

Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
Jul 2, 2014 - 08:51pm PT
Yes the Butts fire looks still to be only 30 pct contained.
And meanwhile,


Sebastopol, Ca.
Sebastopol, Ca.
Credit: JOEY.F

Under smokey skies in almost as dry Sonoma County the vets are still selling.
Just do not understand this...
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2014 - 09:20pm PT
Joey, you should chuck a match in that mess.


The vast majority of the public has no clue as to how serious this is. Granted, most of them live in places that have more concrete than vegetation, so I guess it's understandable.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 3, 2014 - 10:23am PT
Our CalFire district chief was very unhappy that Gilroy and Watsonville both still allow "safe and sane" fireworks (oxymoron anyone?)
Both towns, especially Gilroy have dry grassy hills and forests coming to the edge of town.
Brilliant!

We'll be in SF for the day and evening watching fireworks over the Bay with friends. Hope my place is still intact when we get home.

Butts fire now 4300 acres and still only 30% contained. Notice the great leap to the North due to spotting. Something like 1/2 mile.
Looks as if it's cooling off.
Credit: HighTraverse

clarification: "contained" in CalFire speak means a fire line all the way around a fire. Sometimes containment isn't reached until the fire is mostly burnt out.
It's not "out" until there are no, none, zero, zilch "smokes". The Rim fire was still not out last year two weeks after it was 100% contained.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 3, 2014 - 08:47pm PT
Way too many incidents in California headed into Fireworks weekend:

Banner Fire 150 acres / 15%
Butts Fire 4,300 acres / 45%
Gulch Fire 5 fires 900 acres
Colman Fire 7,500 acres / 15%
Ranch Fire 150 acres
Modoc Lightning Complex 1,800 acres / 20%


There are over 1700 fire personnel on the Butts fire alone.
bergbryce

climber
East Bay, CA
Jul 5, 2014 - 09:20pm PT
Driving back to the bay on 80 this evening.
Apologies for photo quality. The fire was easily visible from the freeway.
If the news reports last night of the half dozen plus small conflagrations are any indication, it's going to be a long summer.
Just north of 505/80 junction, July 5, 2014.
Just north of 505/80 junction, July 5, 2014.
Credit: bergbryce

Mungeclimber

Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
Jul 5, 2014 - 10:15pm PT
looks like the Berryessa fire. Really irritates the lungs.



small one up on 108

http://www.mymotherlode.com/news/local/214741/fire-stanislaus-national-forest-2-2.html
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 6, 2014 - 07:15am PT
The Monticello fire is off Hwy 128 SE of Lake Berryessa, not far from the Butts Fire. It's grown very rapidly to 7,000 acres. 30% contained.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 7, 2014 - 09:05pm PT
A large number of small fires today. None of the new ones particularly large, at least so far.
On Saturday there was about the most unusual fire ever.
Guy and wife drive Mercedes SUV up to Castle Rock. On approach, the Merc overheats. Guy parks it on the roadside parking and goes hiking with wife. Reasonably expecting to return later to a useful vehicle.

No such luck. Sometime after it had been left behind, the car self-immolated, burned to a hollow shell and torched the car next to it.

Guy and wife return while CalFire is still putting down the flames.
So if you come up to Castle Rock before the next big rain, don't be surprised by the huge scorch on the side of the ditch.
Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Jul 11, 2014 - 02:54pm PT
Forest Service has a nice column showing in the Domelands today!
Credit: Radish
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 11, 2014 - 03:01pm PT
Seems to be a trend of smaller fires this year- and, looking back at history i was involved in, the latter drought years of any dry period were typically like this.

It is due to a far lesser amount of small fuels, like grasses and small plants due to dryer winters and less moist springs of drought periods. Less fuel= less spread component..

I can remember in 1978,, two or three agencys racing each other to a single tree fire from a lightning bust lol! Typical signs of a dead fire year.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 11, 2014 - 03:07pm PT
Ron, I'm not out to start something but isn't early July a little early to
say it is a 'dead' fire year? Isn't the driest part of the year yet to come?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 11, 2014 - 03:49pm PT
Not really Reilly. We had an early spring and a dryish one. And fuel moisture contents only go to zero--- less fuel= less spread component.;-)
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 11, 2014 - 04:05pm PT
Yup, Ron is right.

All these agencies just falling over each other to fight these handful of piddly fires. 6,500 acres here, 4,300 acres there, 4,800 acres on one, 2,545 on another. In California. In the last month. Not even quite 3,000 fires so far this year. And only 275 during the first week of July.

Half the firefighters are probably sitting around bored out of their minds.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 11, 2014 - 04:08pm PT
Way to take the ball and RUN with it.. A wee bit drama queenish are we?
klk

Trad climber
cali
Jul 11, 2014 - 04:13pm PT
Seems to be a trend of smaller fires this year- and, looking back at history i was involved in, the latter drought years of any dry period were typically like this.

It is due to a far lesser amount of small fuels, like grasses and small plants due to dryer winters and less moist springs of drought periods. Less fuel= less spread component..

geohistorically, that seems to be the case. karen ingram and other folks have found that most of the largest fires/fire seasons (depending on definition) seem to occur a season or two after a snowy winter due to the increased small fuel load.

and mega floods tend to correlate with drought years because most drought years are also warmer years, which means that snowpack can get catastrophically melted by unusually warm late winter/early spring storms.

but i wouldn't bet my ass on a casual fire season in the sierra, because we've also had other unusual conditions, i.e., historically unusual winds. and above treeline, we still have a century of overgrowth plus the remnants from that last wet winter a few seasons back.



Flip Flop

Trad climber
Truckee, CA
Jul 11, 2014 - 04:41pm PT
Knowitall Runt Angerson will hurl insults at anyone who disputes him.
The statistics this year show that this years 24k acres to date is 50% higher than the 5 year average of 18k acres burned to date.

Authoritarianism defined! He really believes his own spew despite all factual evidence that he is constantly wrong. He doesn't like "statistics" or"science" or "facts" because they contradict his authority.


http://cdfdata.fire.ca.gov/incidents/incidents_stats?year=2014
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 11, 2014 - 07:29pm PT
O goody another youngster googling "statistics" so that he can sound experienced. KNOTT. YOur a real flapper flipper. ANd you of all people whining about insults ROFLAMO,, GFYS..



khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 14, 2014 - 10:05am PT
Bully fire in Shasta County, WSW of Redding is now 4,400 acres and 15% contained. New mandatory evacuations issued this morning.

Depending on which number you believe either 18 residences or 8 residences and 10 outbuildings have been lost.

The cause, btw, is in fact a MJ grow. They arrested the guy who started it -- he was driving a truck into tall dry grass to deliver soil amendments and the grass ignited from the heat of the tail pipe.

Edit: the guys name was Smoke.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 14, 2014 - 10:10am PT
That guy was a pot grower, the ecological scourge of NorCal.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 14, 2014 - 10:19am PT
Khanom is a Cali-centric bully! Nyah nyah! :0)

I got news for ya, Old GreeleyFriendly, the world's center ain't in Tuolumne County, nor in Mariposa County, but somewhere north of there.

Big Mike knows...

http://www.660news.com/2014/07/11/wildfire-season-in-alberta/
"MacDonnell said if you are out on an ATV make sure your exhaust is clean and if you are camping put out your fire."

Damn sure isn't in Nevada.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 14, 2014 - 02:38pm PT
Two Santa Cruz/San Mateo county dozer crews were sent to the Bully fire in Shasta County this morning. That's a long way to be calling for that kind of help. It'll take them all afternoon and evening to get there.
One of my local CalFire crews returned last Friday from a week on the 6500 acre Monticello fire.

Pot grower or not, the Bully fire was started by a trail of sparks or something similar from a truck.
Don't underestimate the ability of a hot exhaust or catalytic converter, or a chainsaw or weed whacker to ignite hot extremely dry grasses and brush.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Jul 14, 2014 - 05:31pm PT
Some uninformed person above wrote:
"Knowitall Runt Angerson will hurl insults at anyone who disputes him.
The statistics this year show that this years 24k acres to date is 50% higher than the 5 year average of 18k acres burned to date.
Authoritarianism defined! He really believes his own spew despite all factual evidence that he is constantly wrong. He doesn't like "statistics" or"science" or "facts" because they contradict his authority. "

I realize this person probably does not know the difference between a chainsaw and a weedwacker, and may not realize that there are other states besides California, but here are some interesting "statistics" from the National Interagency Fire Center:

Year-to-date statistics
2014 (1/1/14 - 7/14/14) Fires: 29,256 Acres: 1,042,816

2013 (1/1/13 - 7/14/13) Fires: 24,719 Acres: 2,001,596
2012 (1/1/12 - 7/14/12) Fires: 32,238 Acres: 3,554,411
2011 (1/1/11 - 7/14/11) Fires: 40,051 Acres: 5,812,728
2010 (1/1/10 - 7/14/10) Fires: 33,496 Acres: 1,679,327
2009 (1/1/09 - 7/14/09) Fires: 51,584 Acres: 2,425,934
2008 (1/1/08 - 7/14/08) Fires: 48,059 Acres: 3,173,833
2007 (1/1/07 - 7/14/07) Fires: 51,334 Acres: 2,902,381
2006 (1/1/06 - 7/14/06) Fires: 63,322 Acres: 4,126,245
2005 (1/1/05 - 7/14/05) Fires: 33,161 Acres: 3,156,423
2004 (1/1/05 - 7/14/05) Fires: 41,756 Acres: 3,444,561

Annual average prior 10 years 2004-2013 Fires: 41,972 Acres: 3,227,744

Here is the link, click on the highlighted text and your browser should take you to the table:
http://www.nifc.gov/fireInfo/nfn.htm

I am certainly not a mathematician, but from what I gather from the above data, this is indeed an abnormally slow year for the last decade, for large fire years in the United States as a whole.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 14, 2014 - 06:47pm PT
It is due to a far lesser amount of small fuels, like grasses and small plants due to dryer winters and less moist springs of drought periods. Less fuel= less spread component..
I've been thinking the same thing. Watching my neighbor's big meadow this year there is a much lower fuel load than most years. On the other hand it's been tinder dry since mid-June.

BUT....
CalFire hired their summer staff 2 months early this year, increased their year round staff and have been All Over every small fire in the Bay area.
Last week I was monitoring a CalFire inmate crew on our Skyline Blvd shaded fuel break project when the two crews got called to a fire down in Stevens Canyon. About 3 miles as the mountain bike plummets but 10 road miles from where we were working. Before the crews could get their tools put away and line up they were cancelled. When the local fire company got to the fire they were able to deal with it themselves.
They're not taking any chances.

None of the fires so far in NCal have been really bad but there have been many more this early.

Another anecdote. A local CalFire captain's CalFire son was on that big San Diego area fire in early May. His small team of about 6 were out on the line when a blowup chased them back down the fire road on foot. Two of them got seriously singed but luckily not hospitalized.
Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Jul 14, 2014 - 07:29pm PT
We're all watching this monsoonal moisture coming through the area this week. Lighting in the foothills means fires and the front country is very dry!!
Credit: Radish
I think technology has caught up with Wildfire some. Besides Planes and Helicopters we now have lighting maps on the computer that shows EVERY strike in the park, Positive or Negative. We can fly the area and see pretty fast if there's anything.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 14, 2014 - 10:24pm PT
albatross, if you consider the nation as a whole then yes, the stats bear this out. Obviously California doesn't fit that trend, exactly, as the other stats show.

But it really doesn't matter.

In California fuel moisture is at record lows. In my neck of the woods generally observation will discern NO difference in the amount of grass or ground-level fuels. In fact up here in the foothills near Yosemite we had a couple of late season rains that really boosted growth of these fuels. I watched it happen. I had cut a lot of grass and then had to re-cut even though I figured I might not.

Now all of that is bone dry and has been since way earlier than even last year. Drive up Hwy 132 from Modesto through Coulterville and you'll see what I mean. Plenty of grass and plenty of dying trees. All the reservoirs are ridiculously low. I'm new living in the area, but in the 12 or so years I've been coming out this way I've never seen anything like it.

So: 100 fires of a 1000 acres each or one 100,000 acre fire... which is worse? I'd take the 100,000 acre fire because many spread-out smaller fires will take more resources, or so I figure. And anything that big is going to be in relatively low population areas.

Living in fire country (a new thing for me), my immediate concern is not Idaho or Arizona, but right here. We've already had three close ones, including one just a mile away. I don't care if they were "only" 150-700 acres or so, if my house is in the middle, it won't make no difference.

the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Jul 15, 2014 - 05:29am PT
Fair enough, khanom.

I understand that much of California is in "extreme to exceptional drought". I would be be concerned, too, if I were in your shoes. Fire season is not yet over for this state.

Here is a pic of the Bully Fire, west of Redding, the afternoon that it broke out (Friday July 11).

Credit: the albatross

klk

Trad climber
cali
Jul 15, 2014 - 08:36am PT
In California fuel moisture is at record lows. In my neck of the woods generally observation will discern NO difference in the amount of grass or ground-level fuels. In fact up here in the foothills near Yosemite we had a couple of late season rains that really boosted growth of these fuels.

yeah, seems to be the case throughout the foothills/gold country.

i dont know about the coast range.

we've also had really unusual wind conditions-- calfire and locals have been putting up the kind of hours you usually see only in the height of fire season. they seem to be scrambling air support for each and every report in tuco. even without another rimfire this season, we will be well over an "average" fire budget statewide.
Keith Leaman

Trad climber
Jul 15, 2014 - 11:23am PT
Just plugging Miles Wilson's latest novel Fire Season. Miles was on the Dalton Hot Shot crew in the Angeles Natl' Forest about the same time I was there-mid 1960s. Available through Amazon and Barnes & Noble. Looking forward to reading it. Paul Gleason and Chuck Hartley are in the group charging up the hill on the cover. Back when orange was the old Nomex.
Fire Season-Miles Wilson
Fire Season-Miles Wilson
Credit: KL
John M

climber
Jul 15, 2014 - 08:25pm PT
there is a fire north west of Reno.. I don't know what its called but I can see the smoke from Reno.. There was lightning here yesterday.


khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2014 - 06:12am PT
Yes, I'm California centric. Sorry... I didn't even know about the Carlton Complex fire in Washington until now. It started on July 14 and has exploded to over 168,700 acres. Almost 100 homes have been destroyed. Containment is 0%. This fire forced evacuations in Leavenworth, and I can't imagine that area is accessible right now.
PhilG

Trad climber
The Circuit, Tonasket WA
Jul 19, 2014 - 08:25am PT
Keith, cool plug for what looks like an interesting book. Chuck called to tell me about it and I immediately ordered a couple copies.

Khanom, your right. At this point a very worrisome wildfire scene here in North central Washington. Friday night in Pateros sounded like a true fire storm with the fire running down hill to engulf blocks of houses in minutes. How no one got hurt is hard to imagine. People grabbed their pets and minutes later their homes were in flames.

At this point the news is telling us there is 0 containment with winds up to 35 MPH today. The smoke is horrible. Brings back memories of growing up in Southern California!

Keith, as of last night, Jon's house in Leavenworth was still OK.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 19, 2014 - 08:44am PT
Credit: Ron Anderson


Current fire activity from today^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



Thoughts to all those affected in Washington...Prayers to those who have list homes, and the firefighters in harms way.



But notice the pattern if occurrence on the map for a moment. The areas suffering the worst of the drought have little compared to the wetter climates of Oregon, Washington and Idaho. Climates which grow more annual fuels as they received more precip than in California or Nevada. This ties in with drought figures. Fires here in NV have very little acreage associated with them, and weve had major lightning activity all this last week.
Chewybacca

Trad climber
Montana, Whitefish
Jul 19, 2014 - 08:46am PT
Those Washington fires are terrible. They are producing so much smoke that I cancelled my planned climb today here in Montana. My heart goes out to those folks who are losing their homes or having to evacuate.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Jul 19, 2014 - 09:57pm PT
Thanks for sharing that info graphic, Ron. I imagine that a lot of the California folks reading this thread don't realize that other parts of the country are subject to large fires such as those going on in the Pacific Northwest Region. Historically it is still relatively early to be seeing fires of such magnitude in those mountains.

I remember discussing earlier this year and your point that with prolonged, multi-year drought that we have experienced, there are much less fine fuels (i.e. dried, cured grass) available to carry new starts. As you know this is particularly important in the brushier type fuels (such as the sage lands of Nevada / California). From what I have seen there have also been some significant monsoonal pushes which have probably laid down some moisture and created more humid conditions, which have helped prevent large fire growth in the Eastern Sierras / Western Great Basin (NV / CA).

One thing we might keep in mind in the heavier fuel loads (mountain timber areas) is that the pine duff component / needle cast, is extremely dry and can burn without significant grass growth. If you live near pine trees think about how "crunchy" it sounds when you are walking through the woods. In other words it would not surprise me at all if we see some megafires get started in the Sierra Range of California (like the Rim fire last summer) or more large fires in the Cascade Range further north. The season is just getting cranking in these areas. I think it all depends on the weather patterns over the next month or so. We shall see what happens.

Best of luck to all the firefighters and landowners out there in what could prove to be a challenging season.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:06pm PT
hey there, say, philG ... very sorry to hear about his fire situation... hope and prayers, that it gets contained and over with... :(
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2014 - 07:57am PT
The Buzzard complex in Oregon is nearly 370,000 acres, which is the largest active fire on Inciweb right now.


I feel compelled to say that size isn't everything. A massive fire in a relatively unpopulated area may have less impact on people than a smaller fire in a more populated area. Sure, the numbers make for more dramatic headlines, but in the end it has nothing to do with loss of property, economic impact, etc.

So Ron, I'm not saying you are rong on this one (at least for California as a whole), I just don't see what your point is.
john bald

climber
Jul 20, 2014 - 10:05am PT
Keith, thanks for posting up about the book. Will search it out.
I too, was a Dalton Hot Shot and knew Chuck and Paul. Do you remember Woody Hite? He gave me my first job as firefighter on the Baldy District.
Keith Leaman

Trad climber
Jul 20, 2014 - 12:51pm PT
John~ I remember Woody. Thought I had a photo of him from the 2013 Dalton reunion, I'll keep looking for it. Rowley sent some good photos of Lew Yazzie, John Chakerian... Maybe you recall Walt Snegowski. He recently reminded me of a bouldering session at Stoney Point with Chouinard around '63, and tells me Royal Robbins once worked on a Mt Baldy tanker crew at one time!?

Here's an InciWeb map of the location of the Chiwhaukum Fire, near Leavenworth.
Chiwaukum Fire
Chiwaukum Fire
Credit: InciWeb

Phil~Is Dan on any of those fires? Miles sent this photo of Paul on the steep terrain of the Monkey Fire in 1965 where they slept while tied to trees. A young Gordon Rowley behind him.
Paul Gleason, Monkey Fire 1965
Paul Gleason, Monkey Fire 1965
Credit: Miles Wilson


klk

Trad climber
cali
Jul 20, 2014 - 02:25pm PT
that's a great pic, keith.

the old webbing belt, and the cig . . .
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 20, 2014 - 03:50pm PT
The Rim fire on Yosemite's northwest border and just down the road from Khanom last year went to 257,000 acres - 400 square miles!
That's a square 20 miles on each side. It burned for 2 months and a week. Started on 17 August and was still burning during Facelift in the last week in September.

I'm still not sure of the tradeoff between extremely dry fuel and sparse grasses. I live in a mix of grassland and forest. I'm seeing lots of branches turning brown already on oaks and firs. Fir branches are never supposed to turn brown. I think the fuel load not grown by the grasses is being replaced by freshly dying vegetation. Even the patch of coyote brush at the top of my driveway is turning brown.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2014 - 05:34pm PT
HT, I concur. Up here I think it's the worst of both situations: We had late spring rains so there's lots of grass, and now things are dying and turning brown way earlier than usual. My poplar trees are dropping their leaves already... wtf?


Just had a whole bunch of CalFire aircraft fly over headed SE. Probably something from the thunderstorms? No word on The Twitter.
PhilG

Trad climber
The Circuit, Tonasket WA
Jul 20, 2014 - 08:45pm PT
Keith,
Way cool picture, man! Looks like Paul was in his element. I sure miss him. We were lucky to have a person like him in our lives.
Yes, Dan is on the fire near Jon's house. The Carlton Complex fire seems to have quieted down, but the weather service is calling for thunder storms on Wednesday. Even for some of us who are used to living in "fire country" this is looking like a scary season. Keith, any chance you want to grab a shovel and hang out at my house?

NeeBee: Thanks for the positive thoughts. Three people who I've worked with for the last 20 years lost their homes. How does one help? What does one say to someone who watched all they own go up in flames?
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Jul 22, 2014 - 05:55pm PT
Bully Fire is getting T-storms and heavy rain, flash flood warnings for that area.
Stay safe fire crews.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 22, 2014 - 06:18pm PT
I heard on the radio this AM the mid range forecast for central California, including the coast range is periodic thunderstorm activity for 2 or 3 weeks. Can't confirm it just now.

There has been really serious Tstorm activity in N Cal and S Oregon all afternoon.

Very interesting real time thunderstorm website. Very busy right now on a diagonal line from SWest to NEast Oregon.
http://www.blitzortung.org/Webpages/index.php?lang=en&page_0=30
Central Montana is getting hammered
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 24, 2014 - 06:35pm PT
Bay Area
Fires (more than one) at Hwy 9 and 236
This is where Castle Rock and Big Basin state parks come together.
Also a major commute from Bay Area to the San Lorenzo valley: Boulder Creek, Felton, Santa Cruz etc.

CalFire and County Fire all over it with the Alma Helitack chopper and crew.

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CRAP
just now they called out crews and dozers for a fire at 236 and China Grade in Big Basin State Park above Boulder Creek.

Arson suspected
looks easy from here

climber
Ben Lomond, CA
Jul 24, 2014 - 06:43pm PT
Holy crap, that's just up the hill from me-I'm on the volunteer FD the next town over from Boulder Creek. I heard sirens go by a bit ago (Felton CalFire passes us to get there). They haven't called us for mutual aid yet, which is probably (hopefully!) a good thing.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 24, 2014 - 06:50pm PT
You and I should get together sometime soon.

A friend is high on a ridge looking down on the area.
The new fire at China Grade was spotted by the Alma chopper getting ready to drop on the earlier fire at 236 and 9.
He wiped out the China grade fire instead.
There's also a fixed wing tanker on site now.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 24, 2014 - 07:32pm PT
All quiet now. Fires are probably at least contained.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 24, 2014 - 10:27pm PT
Glad it turned out ok (?). Used to live in Bonny Doon, and Boulder Creek before that.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jul 25, 2014 - 05:54pm PT
Ut oh this one doesn't look good
Amador County, near hwy 49, Cosumnes river watershed
Amador County, near hwy 49, Cosumnes river watershed
Credit: Dingus Milktoast

Amador County, Sand Ridge and Hwy 49 are staging areas, Cosumnes river...
Amador County, Sand Ridge and Hwy 49 are staging areas, Cosumnes river canyon
Credit: Dingus Milktoast

We all have friends up there....


Local
Fire Crews Battling Rapidly Moving Fire In Amador County
July 25, 2014 5:07 PM

AMADOR COUNTY (CBS13) — Fire crews are battling a rapidly moving fire in the foothills.

The fire is spreading east of Highway 49 in Amador County.

Crews are staging at Highway 49 and Sand Ridge Road, west of the fire.

Evacuations have started easy of Sand Ridge Road.

Over the course of an hour, the fire has increased from a couple of dozen acres just after 5 p.m. to between 200 and 300 acres before 6 p.m.

Temperatures at the time of the fire were above 100 degrees.

Sand Ridge is Cosumnes river, forming the south ridge as seen from Bucks Bar. There are many homes in the area I hope they get a grip on this fast!

DMT
JOEY.F

Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
Jul 25, 2014 - 06:07pm PT
Isn't Sand Ridge Rd in El Dorado County between Pville & Jackson?
Been a while,
So dry now I'm sure,,,,
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 25, 2014 - 06:13pm PT
^^ That's really fast!


So I've been smelling smoke every morning the last few days. Turns out it's from the Stanislaus Lightning Complex -- 38 smaller fires, all well under control.

5000 lightning strikes a day. Check this out:

Via http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/map/3982/1/
Via http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/map/3982/1/
Credit: khanom
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jul 25, 2014 - 06:14pm PT
This fire is north of Plymouth and south of El Dorado, watching the Sacramento news chopper flying around the thing. Essentially downstream of Bucks Bar but upstream of Hwy 49? (not sure on that detail, the news reporting isn't either)

Its burning fast in grass and footland forest, gray and yellow pine, dry as bones.

DMT
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 25, 2014 - 06:16pm PT
DMT:

http://hotlist.wildlandfire.com/threads/41950-CA-AEU-Sand
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jul 25, 2014 - 06:19pm PT
Its my stomping grounds :(

DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jul 25, 2014 - 07:05pm PT
Its growing. I can hear the sirens out on Hwy 16, local firecrews headed to the blaze... they'll be there in like 20 minutes.

DMT
Norwegian

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Jul 25, 2014 - 07:25pm PT
dingus that plume is right out my front window.
we're putting up a family whose been evacuated.

i'm emotionally prepared
to wail out a new anthem:

oh sweet nothing.
aint got nothing at all.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jul 25, 2014 - 07:28pm PT
Fingers crossed for both of you and the places you're charged with! You're in my thoughts.

DMT
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Jul 25, 2014 - 08:17pm PT
Ive been virtual watching 4 helicopters and 8 air tankers on this incident, it looks as to be a big one. There's much timber ahead, slope, and hot weather, too.

Best of luck to all involved.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 25, 2014 - 08:26pm PT
Damn, 600 acres.

Best of luck to all. I'm a long way away but if anyone needs a place to stay or pasture for horses, PM me for my phone #.


Edit: Just south of Groveland.

Edit2: Incident Commandor (per Scanner traffic) is saying up to 1200 acres.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Jul 25, 2014 - 08:31pm PT
out by the winery.

lotta stuff to burn out there as it moves east

bummer
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Jul 25, 2014 - 08:45pm PT
It's blowing up fast, view from our place in Camino at sun down North East of the fire and so it begins a major bummer.

Sand fire
Sand fire
Credit: Charlie D.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jul 25, 2014 - 10:10pm PT
I can see it glowing across a wide front, tonight.

DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jul 26, 2014 - 05:17am PT
Smoked from Sand fire has laid down over the valley this AM.

DMT
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Jul 26, 2014 - 05:29am PT
Triple digit temps today with 5-8 mph wind blowing out of the north and northeast. Safe passage for those in harms way. Thanks for the links khanom very helpful.

It appears the area burning is south of Sand Ridge Road based on the road names on Cal Fires incident site.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 26, 2014 - 06:16am PT
At least there is some containment! (20%)
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Jul 26, 2014 - 07:21am PT
khanom, where's your place?
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jul 26, 2014 - 08:27am PT
What's happening with the fire near Plymouth this morning?

Is there a lot of smoke up at Placerville, or on 50 east? We were thinking of taking a visiting friend from AK out that way....
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 26, 2014 - 09:50am PT
Sand Fire still at 1300 acres and 20% contained. I'd expect it to expand quite a bit today once the temperature rises. No idea about the smoke...

Edit: The Wunderground "Wundermap" shows smoke going pretty much straight north toward Placerville.


Charlie, I'm about 7 miles south of Groveland and about 40 min to the west entrance of Yosemite.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jul 26, 2014 - 10:09am PT
Thanks K, that's EXACTLY the map I needed.

Fingers crossed for all the people and Fighters in that area.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 26, 2014 - 11:52am PT
hey there say, DMT... and sully... i JUST now learned about this 'sand fire'
will go see the links...

whewww... keeping you in my thoughts and prayers... and others in that area, as well...


the house-sitting... oh sully, three horses, :O to move out...
i remember when my brother matt had to move his horse out...
he could NOT get it into the trailer, and then, it has a slightly
touchy foot... he ended up walking it out, through the night,
quite a ways to some friends...


may you have safe open doors to get this down, if you have to... :(


DMT, if things get worse, do you have any options for help?

did not see yet, but who else, here, is near this?
:(




i think you all read this already (from the 25th) i think:



PLYMOUTH, Calif. (KCRA) —Firefighters were making progress Friday night containing a grass fire burning along the line that separates Amador and El Dorado counties.

Amador County fire
Amador County fire

Photo snapped at the Shenandoah Vineyards (July 25, 2014)
Photo courtesy Robert Sobon
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Flames from Highway 49 fire engulf home
Flames from Highway 49 fire engulf home

A grass fire in El Dorado and Amador counties burns a home off Highway 49 on Friday.
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The fire, which has forced evacuations for people who live along Sand Ridge Road and Freshwater Lane, was 20 percent contained as of 10:30 p.m., according to Cal Fire officials.

The Sand Fire, as it is called, has burned 1,300 acres and destroyed at least two structures.

View #SandFire photos

Between 200 and 250 people have been evacuated, according to El Dorado County sheriff's officials.

An evacuation center has been setup at the El Dorado County Fairgrounds in Placerville. Evacuated animals are also being sheltered at the fairgrounds.

Sheriff's officials are asking evacuees to enter the fairgrounds from Forni Road on the side of the Denny's Restaurant.

Highway 49 remains open throughout the area.

Watch report: Wildfire burns on border of Amador-El Dorado counties

A massive plume of smoke was visible for at least 50 miles Friday afternoon.

KCRA's Mark Finan said satellite imagery showed smoke drifting into El Dorado, Nevada and Placer counties.

LiveCopter 3 flew over the scene Friday evening, where it appeared the fire was burning on both sides of the Cosumnes River.

Firefighters are battling steep terrain under dry and hot conditions. Temperatures, which were in the triple digits when the fire started in the afternoon, remained in the 80s throughout the evening.

Residents and visitors to the area have been told to be prepared and aware of the unfolding situation, said Lynne Tolmachoff, a spokeswoman for the state's fire department. More evacuation orders are possible.

Story Winery sits to the south of where the fire is burning. An employee at the winery said flames came within 200 yards, but as of Friday evening, the fire was moving away from that area.

The blaze started about 4:30 p.m., just north of Plymouth, in a very remote area.

Access is tough for Cal Fire crews, Tolmachoff said. Also posing a challenge to firefighters is how high the blaze is burning. Many treetops are on fire.

Air tankers and helicopters were flying over the Gold Beach area Friday afternoon.

Overnight, fire crews will use bulldozers to cut fire lines in an effort to stop the blaze from spreading, Cal Fire officials said.

The fire is about 45 miles east of Sacramento. The cause of the fire remains under investigation. Dry, thick brush and oak trees are fueling the blaze.

Early reports indicate a vehicle fire may have spread to some nearby vegetation, sparking the massive blaze, officials said.

Ten fire engines and two command officers from Sacramento County headed out to the Amador region Friday evening, including units from Cosumnes, Sac Metro, Folsom and Wilton Fire.

Sand Ridge Road is closed.

Read more: http://www.kcra.com/news/grass-fire-in-amador-co-kicks-up-massive-smoke-plume/27156260#ixzz38bP1FabG


it was from this link (shared by khanom):

http://hotlist.wildlandfire.com/threads/41950-CA-AEU-Sand

lead me to the article one here:

http://www.kcra.com/news/grass-fire-in-amador-co-kicks-up-massive-smoke-plume/27156260#!bm9OOE
john bald

climber
Jul 26, 2014 - 12:47pm PT
Keith....Worked with all those guys you mentioned. Still have the orange fire shirt. Much respect for Chuck, Yazzie, Gordon and Woody. No respect for Chakerian! Johnny Miles the cook was a hoot. Brought that military work ethic into the kitchen at the bunk house. Watch out if you got an Jonny's bad side during KP. Never knew RR worked up there on the Baldy!

My wife's last year with the FS (33 years). She is currently driving computers up on the Washington fires.
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Jul 26, 2014 - 02:29pm PT
This is a great thread. Thanks for starting it.

Us SoCal folk now get to sit out the season and hope that the Angeles Crest, Big Bear, Lake Arrowhead etc don't go up. With the amount of Bark Beetle damage up there... Oh boy.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 26, 2014 - 04:02pm PT
Per CalFire additional evacuations for the Sand fire include the River Pines Subdivision, Vintage Rd to Sandridge Rd and all roads off of and including Buzzards Gulch Rd.

I don't have the bandwidth (or time) to listen to scanner traffic but the thread on WildlandFire.com makes it seem kinda touch and go.

5 residences and seven outbuildings have been destroyed.
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Jul 26, 2014 - 04:15pm PT
Bad news.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 26, 2014 - 05:35pm PT
Just heard about the El Portal fire -- 2-300 acres right at the Arch Rock entrance station. Apparently it's burning on both sides of Crane Creek and heading toward Foresta.


Edit: Hwy 140 entrance to YNP is closed
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 26, 2014 - 05:58pm PT
Sand fire at 4000 acres and "out of resources"

El Portal fire looks pretty bad:

Credit: Roger Biery via goldrushcam.com (appears to be from Bootjack area)
WBraun

climber
Jul 26, 2014 - 06:01pm PT
Yep

They're evacuating Foresta as we speak ......
QITNL

climber
Jul 26, 2014 - 06:09pm PT
Turtleback Dome webcam (live):
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Jul 26, 2014 - 06:09pm PT
Oh bummer!

Prayers for safety for ALL involved!
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Jul 26, 2014 - 08:28pm PT
It sounds as if it is really heating up in the Sierra Nevada Range. It is almost as if some mega fires are starting to brew, best of luck all the way around these beasts.
Timid TopRope

Social climber
the land of Pale Ale
Jul 26, 2014 - 08:37pm PT
really good thread, K.
I wouldn't have known about the El Portal fire heading towards Foresta (again) if not for this thread. I called an El Portal local who i knew was on the east side for his days off to let him know about it. As much as he was dreading to hear the news, he was happy to get the info (a friend of rotten johny's and mine).
Sully, best of luck to you and the horses on that other fire. I saw it on my drive to Sac-a-tomatoes last evening. The smoke drift was about 50 miles long.
John M

climber
Jul 26, 2014 - 09:03pm PT
any update on the el portal fire. does it have a name?

edit: Just heard it is called the El Portal fire.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 26, 2014 - 09:55pm PT
El Portal fire reported at 2,100 acres. Apparently the wind for the next 24 hrs will be to the west at between 9 and 16 mph, so hopefully that bodes well for Foresta. I guess I'll know by the smoke in the morning.

I hope all are safe!

Apparently my earlier report of 140 being closed was either bogus or is no longer true. I'm too lazy to call the Yosemite info number. Caltrans reports no closures, but that doesn't mean much. Anybody have more info?

The Sand Fire has expanded a lot to 4000 acres, 20% contained. Unfortunately having both these fires close to each other means they are competing for resources.

Sully: best of luck and hope it works out.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 26, 2014 - 10:07pm PT
Hey Sully,

I've been in that position.

Having owned animals I would have been incapable of evacuating myself, ( donkey and goats ) I was advised to let them out of their corral, and close the gate behind them so they can't get back "home". They stand a better chance of making good survival decisions when they can't retreat back to what's always been their safe place.

Good luck. There's only so much you can do, and that's what stinks the most about these things.
John M

climber
Jul 26, 2014 - 10:14pm PT
Wildfire Near Yosemite Forces Road Closures, Evacuations
July 26, 2014
Evacuations are in place for the community of Foresta as firefighters battle a wildfire outside Yosemite National Park.
The fire started Saturday around 4:30 p.m. and now covers approximately 500 acres.
It is burning in the Merced Canyon, and has been named the “El Portal Fire.”
The closure of Highway 120, between Crane Flat and the Highway 120/140 junction has been ordered. The community of Foresta has been ordered evacuated.
Many resources have been ordered to attack the fire: ground crews, air craft, and helicopters. More resources will arrive throughout the evening.

Khanom.. this is what I have from a friend in the Park. 140 is not closed. Roads off of it are closed and 120 is closed from the intersection of 140 to crane flat. So one can't get to the meadows from the valley or exit out your way from the valley.

this is the information on road closures from the sierra runtimes..

Road Closure Information 7/26/2014 18:30
Hwy 140 through Yosemite National Park is Open.
Foresta Rd is closed at Hwy 140
Crane Creek Rd is closed at Hwy 140
Hwy 120 closed at Hwy 140
Hwy 120 closed at Crane Flat

http://goldrushcam.com/sierrasuntimes/index.php/news/local-news/65-fire-in-el-portal-near-yosemite-national-park-on-saturday-july-26-2014
klk

Trad climber
cali
Jul 26, 2014 - 10:32pm PT
good luck, sully.

went through the soft evac/hard evac last year.

the sheriff's live feed is worth keeping on. cant trust everything you hear on it, cuz they're talking in real time

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/16015
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Jul 26, 2014 - 11:24pm PT
*
An El Portal friend took this picture today from Glacier point rd. and looking toward Merced canyon and Foresta..
Credit: Randy Abbott
I heard through FB, that my friends homes in Foresta are safe.. so far.....
Hoping the best for the Foresta community.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jul 26, 2014 - 11:41pm PT
Best wishes to all of you tonight...

DMT
JOEY.F

Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
Jul 26, 2014 - 11:43pm PT
^^
yes, it's looking intense...
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Jul 27, 2014 - 12:01am PT
The silver lining on this thing is that daytime temps will be going down over the next few days, winds are light to moderate, and the humidity is going up. There's even a slight chance of precip on Monday.

Credit: Ward Trotter
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 27, 2014 - 12:26am PT
hey there say, does anyone know if lynda's in el portal is okay???

i will look, for any reports, or for facebook and email,

i had been off line, with my grandson here...

oh my, very sad to hear this...
nita, good to hear that so far, foresta is okay...


i have a friend in the sand fire area and am praying for him
and his lively hood, etc...

did not know how bad these have gotten, was hoping folks would
not need to evac...

sully, dear gal, watching another's home and critters, huge huge
responsibility, and am wishing and praying all the best, best, for
you...


hard, the horses... :(


edit:
DMT, are you well, so far, there??
will backtrack and read...
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jul 27, 2014 - 12:30am PT
http://hotlist.wildlandfire.com/threads/41974-CA-YNP-El-Portal

Live feed: http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/2278/web

fingers crossed...
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 27, 2014 - 12:34am PT
hey there say, k-man... thanks so much for the link...

prayer for all...


say, k-man, that link just mentioned oakhurst, though "capped out"
what does this mean...


is oakhurst near any fire danger, too, or not?
thanks... worried about property there, of family...
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 27, 2014 - 07:56am PT
Moderately smokey here to the WNW of the fire this morning. NPS says there have been structures lost, but no details yet. Hoping it's just a few outbuildings...

Neebee, Oakhurst is safe.


John, thanks for the clarification on the road situation.
Indeed, NPS now says:
"Road and Campground Closures Due to Fire
Big Oak Flat Rd between Crane Flat & the El Portal Rd is temporarily closed. There is no access to Yosemite Valley via the Big Oak Flat Rd or Hwy 120. Tioga Rd is open & accessible via Big Oak Flat & Tioga Pass Entrances. Crane Flat Campground is closed."


Ward, that's actually modis data from a different fire (Dark Hole) close by. Nothing yet for this one that I've seen. See: http://yubanet.com/CAFires/Yosemite_July_Lightning.php

There are/have been something like 21 small fires in Yosemite since mid-July, all caused by lightning.


Edit: Yeah, sorry, had read Nita's post and was thinking of you guys.
Timid TopRope

Social climber
the land of Pale Ale
Jul 27, 2014 - 08:00am PT

A park service friend of ours thinks 2 cabins have burned in Foresta. This is not confirmed.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 27, 2014 - 08:12am PT
Good news on the Sand Fire: 3800 acres, 35% contained (per Calfire)

The cause is listed as "vehicle into dry vegetation". The Bully fire was the same cause.

I hope this doesn't sound preachy, but if you are driving off road or on rarely used roads, please be cautious! Exhaust systems are hot! It doesn't take an open flame to ignite dry grass.
enjoimx

Trad climber
SLO
Jul 27, 2014 - 08:26am PT
Valley right now. Looking up at the falls
Credit: enjoimx
John M

climber
Jul 27, 2014 - 09:34am PT
http://www.mariposagazette.com/news/2014-07-24/Front_Page/Fire_raging_near_El_Portal.html

The park is saying that the El Portal fire has grown to 2100 acres.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Jul 27, 2014 - 09:49am PT
The Dark Hole fire has cooled down somewhat and it's extent has remained roughly unchanged

The El Portal fire is limited in extent but still burning hot.

Credit: Ward Trotter

Here is today's Wunderground data for that area:

Credit: Weather Underground

These are fairly decent numbers as compared to the conditions leading up to Saturday.
The 35% humidity for 11 pm looks real good.
YosemiteSteve

Trad climber
CA
Jul 27, 2014 - 09:53am PT
Some friends lost their home in Foresta yesterday...waiting to hear more today.

"Structures lost in Foresta, damage assessment is ongoing, Foresta remains evacuated. Mandatory evacuation of Old El Portal occurred at 1:00 am on Saturday night. "

http://yubanet.com/CAFires/El_Portal.php
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 27, 2014 - 10:22am PT
Very sorry to hear about the homes lost in Foresta.

If anything the smoke has grown thicker here.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jul 27, 2014 - 11:14am PT
Leading edge of Sand Fire smoke plume.

Taken late Saturday afternoon, half way between Foresthill and French Meadows.


Credit: survival









Credit: survival

jstan

climber
Jul 27, 2014 - 11:30am PT
You have 734 working it! When I saw that puppy go overhead here in SB I knew we had a good chance.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 27, 2014 - 03:50pm PT
hey there say, yosemitesteve...

hope lynda, and her house in el portal, and place in foresta, are okay...
had emailed them, a bit agao...

thanks for updates, everyone...


khanom, thanks for the oakhurst update...
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Jul 27, 2014 - 06:18pm PT
Sand Fire apparently was started by someone driving over dry grass....
Sand Fire
Sand Fire
Credit: Charlie D.
John M

climber
Jul 27, 2014 - 06:53pm PT
So whats the latest on the El Portal fire? Seems like it blew up big and fast and then sort of died. Does anyone know if inciweb has it or cal fire?
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 27, 2014 - 07:00pm PT
I don't have any recent news, John. We were camped in White Wolf, and left early this morning to make sure we could get out to the west. Needless to say, it was a rather long trip back to Fresno.

There was still a lot of smoke this morning, but there seemed to be even more smoke coming from the west of the Park entrance. I'm glad to hear the Dark Hole fire is behaving, because this morning, they were saying in White Wolf that it, too, might be going out of control.

Why was Bridalveil Creek closed? Lack of water, perhaps?

Thanks.

John
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 27, 2014 - 07:34pm PT
Information on the El Portal fire has been a little spotty. I managed to get the scanner feed periodically, but it didn't yield much info. The fire is at 2,600 acres and 5% contained. Air activity was fairly constant. It was quite smokey here to the west all day. The Turtleback web cam gives some indication of activity, and it appeared to be dying down in the afternoon but picking up later in the evening... it's very hard to know. Anybody have more definite info?

The Sand Fire is now 3,800 and 50% contained, so probably the tankers we saw were able to hit El Portal more frequently than yesterday.
jogasian

Sport climber
San Jose, CA
Jul 27, 2014 - 10:44pm PT
Not related to any of the fires currently burning but I took this video near the top of North Dome yesterday. It took the chopper barley 10 minutes to arrive after we called it in. It's amazing how accurate these guys are, it was pretty windy!

http://youtu.be/bpeIL7r_eOs
bergbryce

climber
East Bay, CA
Jul 27, 2014 - 11:01pm PT
/\

is that the right clip? that is some overdone cables route footage. i love the dramatic music only to reach the top and see dozens of other hikers there eating lunch.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 28, 2014 - 07:15am PT
El Portal perimeter map as of 10:15 last night (via Mariposa Sheriff's Office):

Credit: NPS
Credit: NPS
Credit: khanom
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 28, 2014 - 07:29am PT
Six a.m. today in Merced.
Six a.m. today in Merced.
Credit: mouse from merced
The El Portal fire's pall over the SJV was pretty bad.
Timid TopRope

Social climber
the land of Pale Ale
Jul 28, 2014 - 09:45am PT
.....

Jason Torlano posted this on fb. Some scary looking fire there in Foresta.



http://vimeo.com/101860346
YosemiteSteve

Trad climber
CA
Jul 28, 2014 - 10:20am PT
Torlano also posted this pic of a burnt Corolla next to the Flying Spur house that he saved in Foresta, with a comment that he was glad the full propane tank didn't blow!
Credit: YosemiteSteve
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 28, 2014 - 10:27am PT
http://www.nps.gov/yose/photosmultimedia/webcams.htm
Current shot from Turtleback Dome webcam.
Current shot from Turtleback Dome webcam.
Credit: NPS
http://www.nps.gov/yohttp://www.nps.gov/yose/photosmultimedia/webcams.htm
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Jul 28, 2014 - 10:42am PT
The El Portal fire has grown in extent , especially to the N and NW
The Dark Hole fire is heating up a little on one of its northern flanks.

Credit: MODIS GoogleEarth
WTF

climber
Jul 28, 2014 - 12:35pm PT
El portal fire was started by oak tree falling on a power line.
Burned right up to the backs of houses in town.

Sad news for Forresta it's as if nature hates Forresta. At least this time no one gave an order to burn when it's insane to do such a thing.

Hope all the elportaliens get home safe.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Jul 28, 2014 - 01:40pm PT
This is the MODIS profile for the last couple of hours.
Looks like they've gotten the earlier NW flank down for now , but a section north and west of Foresta is heating up. The wind is shifting around a lot more than yesterday's prediction.
At 2 pm it's out of the wsw at 8 mph. Also the temps are much higher than predicted---but then so is the humidity.

Credit: MODIS GoogleEarth

doughnutnational

Gym climber
its nice here in the spring
Jul 28, 2014 - 02:40pm PT
There is a fire burning between rock creek and fish creek campgrounds near North Fork ca. 500+ acres (French fire) . Tankers have been flying over all afternoon and the plume of smoke is visible. It looks like it could rain and I sure hope it does.
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Jul 28, 2014 - 02:42pm PT
For the SoYo gang - got a 500 acre and growing fire south of Mammoth Pool Reservoir - Rock Creek and Fish Creek campgrounds are evacuated. Talked to bud of mine on the Bass Lake FD who says Minarets Road will be closed any minute now. But they will be hitting it hard after last years big burn at mammoth Pool itself.

http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/4013/

Edit - ^^^^beat me to it.
labrat

Trad climber
Auburn, CA
Jul 28, 2014 - 03:52pm PT
Thanks for the update people. Good thoughts going out to people that are being pushed around by the fires...
Erik
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 28, 2014 - 04:39pm PT
Nice going Jason.

Man saves house from El Portal fire with rake, chainsaw, a final plea

On Saturday, Jason Torlano, 39, got a call from a friend asking him to help save her ranch from the El Portal fire, which has now burned more than 2,600 acres and is less than 5% contained. The first thing Torlano did was note the wind.

"It was blowing upslope. I figured there was less than an hour till it reached Foresta," he said.
Dick Erb

climber
June Lake, CA
Jul 28, 2014 - 05:01pm PT
Thanks for that post Khanom.
And Jason Torlano way to go old buddy.
BooDawg

Social climber
Butterfly Town
Jul 28, 2014 - 05:10pm PT
Saturday, July 26th when I took my tour to Glacier Point there was a week-old fire update posted on an information board which included a map of the fires currently burning in Yosemite, The fires were ignited by lightning by a series of storms during the week of July 16th. On the map those fires are marked with small red fire symbols; some of the fires’ names are labeled.

Credit: BooDawg

When we got out to Glacier Point, I could see that the Dark Hole Fire on upper Yosemite Creek had grown considerably in the previous 48 hours; we could even see flames with binoculars. However, I could not get the flames on a picture.

Credit: BooDawg

After leaving Glacier Point, we went down to Yosemite Valley to view the scenic wonders of the Valley. After walking up to the pool beneath Lower Yosemite Fall, we drove down the Valley toward El Capitan where we saw a HUGE smoke plume from somewhere down the canyon. Thus, Ken decided to forego the usual stop near El Capitan Meadow and continue toward El Portal, to decrease the likelihood or being trapped by a possible closure of Hwy 140.

Credit: BooDawg

When we arrived at Yosemite View Lodge, where some of our guests were staying, we could see flames above the hillside and helicopters sucking water from the Merced River and flying over the ridge to deliver their water loads onto the fire out of our sight.

Credit: BooDawg

Credit: BooDawg

Occasionally, the fire would come over the ridge toward Yosemite View Lodge,, but then it would retreat out of our view.

Credit: BooDawg

More photos can be seen here: http://www.yosemitecloseup.com/stories/yosemite-news/
QITNL

climber
Jul 28, 2014 - 06:23pm PT
A long-exposure image shows a fire burning near YNP late Sunday:

#9 in this slideshow:
http://online.wsj.com/articles/photos-of-the-day-july-28-1406576574?mod=wsj_nview_latest#9
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 29, 2014 - 02:42am PT
hey there, all...

here is our 'chicken skinner' with a quote in this article, that i just saw:

i been worried about extended family, lynda, etc... and was looking for more updates:

here is the quote, and the link so you can go read it:

http://www.yourcentralvalley.com/story/d/story/evacuated-residents-in-el-portal-get-update-on-fir/10061/qLS3dEA100yH-XrbHRDdew


"I've been through four or five of these fires over the last 20 years. It's always a concern, but we've always held up pretty well around here. And the fire crews are pretty amazing around here," said Ken Yaeger who was forced to evacuate.

Yaeger came back to see if he could pick up some items from his home. Even though he has confidence in the skills of fire fighters, the drought, and extremely dry conditions have him worried.

"I'm sure everybody in the foothills is going to be concerned, it's going to be a bad year," Yaeger said.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 29, 2014 - 08:32am PT
Sand Fire is 80% contained.

Seems like they are getting a handle on the El Portal fire -- it's now 3060 acres and 19% contained. Some El Portal residents being allowed to return home at 9am this morning.

Here is a nice IR map of the El Portal Fire: https://mapsengine.google.com/map/edit?mid=zdKyl7kg4VB4.kAzffvYk2508
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jul 29, 2014 - 10:00am PT
Smoke's been way better from the Sand fire. Took a drive up there on Sunday, Shenandoah Valley Rd was closed at the Omo Ranch cutoff (Mt Aukum, right near the general store), deputy on duty. It was smoky but surprisingly light. I bouldered along hwy 88 Sunday afternoon, smoke free.

Yesterday, it was hard to tell the smoke from the monsoon clouds, same today.

Glad its mostly controlled. :D

DMT
looks easy from here

climber
Ben Lomond, CA
Jul 29, 2014 - 10:13am PT
What I woke up to yesterday morning:
French Fire, 45 minutes old.
French Fire, 45 minutes old.
Credit: looks easy from here
Yikes! Glad we weren't planning on staying any longer. As we were heading out we met a couple heading in. We told them we saw a fire, hope their trip goes okay.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Jul 29, 2014 - 10:16am PT
Temps are down and humidity is up for these fires, although winds might be a little gusty today.
Looks like the northern flank of the El Portal fire is presently being driven by S/SW gusts.
The wind is expected to shift around to the NW later today .
The Dark Hole fire has looked much,much better the last 2 days. It's cooling down and hasn't expanded appreciably.
Credit: MODIS GoogleEarth

There's even a prediction of 10% rain there tomorrow. Even if it doesn't rain at least its an indication there'll be a lot more moisture in the air. If the wind behaves itself and there are not a whole lot of fire lightning strikes ,then the overall outlook is good . At least for now.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 29, 2014 - 03:49pm PT
El Portal fire suppression from the air. Probably veteran crews from last year's Rim fire, I'm thinking.
Flying water tank heading for Castle Airport for a re-fill.
Flying water tank heading for Castle Airport for a re-fill.
Credit: mouse from merced
Making a few adjustments for final approach over Bear Creek.
Making a few adjustments for final approach over Bear Creek.
Credit: mouse from merced
Second go-round an hour and twenty minutes later.
As I am posting this picture, he's making the third landing, 3:45.
As I am posting this picture, he's making the third landing, 3:45.
Credit: mouse from merced
Get some!
What the upper atmosphere's doing now.
What the upper atmosphere's doing now.
Credit: mouse from merced
5:10 p.m., yet one more trip into the airport. For a total of at least four RTs this afternoon.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 29, 2014 - 06:24pm PT
hey there, say, all... thanks for the updates...


thanks DMT for the sand fire info...

and, say, sully... how is the horses/situaiton... ?
hope all is well...
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 29, 2014 - 09:23pm PT
Good old #911!!!  6:26 p.m., last flight of the day.
Good old #911!!! 6:26 p.m., last flight of the day.
Credit: mouse from merced
What the fires do to the sunsets is really something.
What the fires do to the sunsets is really something.
Credit: mouse from merced
Sleep well.
kaholatingtong

Trad climber
Nevada City
Jul 29, 2014 - 09:39pm PT
nice fire susnset shot mouse.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 29, 2014 - 10:19pm PT
hey there say, mouse... yes, and that plane, too...
oh my...

very nice work, to share all this ...

thank you!
CKR

climber
Jul 30, 2014 - 08:41am PT
http://abc30.com/news/crews-make-gains-on-2-california-wildfires/227414/

Caught this on local news last night. They interview ron kauk at around the 1:50 mark.

Chris
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jul 30, 2014 - 08:44am PT
Trippy world we live in eh?

DMT
klk

Trad climber
cali
Jul 30, 2014 - 09:05am PT
unreal thunder and lightning in sonora last night. like unreal-- like high in the alps-style thunder and lightning.

one small fire and folks watching for others to pop.
mike m

Trad climber
black hills
Jul 30, 2014 - 09:16am PT
Man I feel bad for you guys, but strangely it has not bee that way up here the last few years. The first Decade I lived here we had massive blazes yearly but not so much the last 10 years. This year we had late snow, cool temps and a fair amount of rain. The forest or what is left of it after fires and beatle kill is now a jungle of bushes, weeds and fallen down trees in many places. Anyway I hope this all dies down soon.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 30, 2014 - 09:17am PT
Stellar PICS Mouser!


Firefighters heard to say: " Ohw shyt hit the dirt here comes the OL 911!!!"
looks easy from here

climber
Ben Lomond, CA
Jul 30, 2014 - 09:26am PT
unreal thunder and lightning in sonora last night. like unreal-- like high in the alps-style thunder and lightning.

I ran up to Grass Valley yesterday, and kept watching the clouds build in my mirrors for most of the drive home. I wondered if they'd amount to anything. They blew up fast and looked pretty angry, so I'm not too surprised that they did.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 30, 2014 - 10:30am PT
Lightning Causes Several Tree Fires

Updated: Wed 4:26 AM, Jul 30, 2014
By: Pat Hambright - Email

Home / Headlines List / Article
Smoke reported to the west of the Verdi range Tuesday night was apparently from several small single-tree fires in the area, caused by lightning.

RENO. NV - Smoke reported to the west of the Verdi range Tuesday night was apparently from several small single-tree fires in the area, caused by lightning. The fires were quickly extinguished, according to Sierra Front.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 30, 2014 - 11:29am PT
Thunderstorms over the N. Sierra from Tahoe North and southern San Joaquin Valley right now.
Some may find this website interesting or even useful.
Or possibly yet another internet time sink
http://www.blitzortung.org/Webpages/index.php?lang=en&page_0=30
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 30, 2014 - 11:30am PT
Several small recent fires in Santa Cruz mts and east San Jose area in past ten days seem of suspicious origin.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Jul 30, 2014 - 11:57am PT
I hope this monsoon we are getting here on the eastside will make it's way over there......it is PUKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 30, 2014 - 12:02pm PT
building here today as well Crag. Wont be long. Monday night it rained for two hours here.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Jul 30, 2014 - 12:03pm PT
It's been dumping now for nearly 4 hours.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 30, 2014 - 12:07pm PT
Totally dry here on Castle Rock Ridge. Only 0.6" rain since April 6.
Threatened rain on last Fri-Sat-Sun. I watched the distant small curtains of rain evaporate before ever reaching the ground.
At least we didn't get lightning!
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Jul 30, 2014 - 12:12pm PT
The 4 main fires in this area, Sand, French, El Portal, Dark Hole are all cooling down into the MODIS yellow. At least for now

Credit: MODIS GoogleEarth



All Props to the hardworking fire crews in harms way.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 30, 2014 - 02:06pm PT
Clouds rumbling and rain DUMPING here, flash flood type rains..
splitclimber

climber
Sonoma County
Jul 30, 2014 - 02:27pm PT


yikes, where did el cap go?

sorry to be so Yosemite-centric, but any guesses as to the opening of 120 into the valley? It doesn't seem likely for the weekend.



John M

climber
Jul 30, 2014 - 02:32pm PT
I woke up this morning to rain drops on my sleeping bag here in Wawona. I was sleeping on a friends porch. I packed up my stuff and then it didn't rain. Guess I should have kept my stuff outside. haha.. Now it is very smokey here.

Would modis be showing that fires cool down at night? Because based on the smoke, things sure seem to be going here.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 30, 2014 - 02:34pm PT
What I heard about the 120 opening was that it could be at least "a few days", meaning past this weekend. But if we do get some rain from this system that could help a lot.

Yet another 120 closure is starting to impact businesses in Groveland. For me, less tourist traffic means fewer orders from restaurants. It sucks.


Modis data is nice and all, but it really doesn't give the full picture. The French fire is already at 5,600 acres and has no containment. It's being described as "extremely active" with "potential for extreme fire behavior." This comes from people on the ground.

Daphne

Trad climber
Northern California
Jul 30, 2014 - 02:59pm PT
I've been monitoring 120 due to a plan to head over to Tuolumne on Thursday. Cal.gov says there's no closure-- is this not accurate?
BooDawg

Social climber
Butterfly Town
Jul 30, 2014 - 03:03pm PT
At this time there is no access to Tioga Pass from either Hwy 120 at Crane Flat or Hwy 140 via the Big Oak Flat Rd. Now if you want to get to Tuolumne Mdws by car, Hwy 395 is the only option!
John M

climber
Jul 30, 2014 - 03:03pm PT
Daphne..

Edit: Boodawg is correct. I just called the park road info line.

wow.. this just changed.

120 is closed from the big oak flat entrance coming from Groveland to highway 140 in the valley. The only access to the meadows is from 395.



Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Jul 30, 2014 - 03:29pm PT
Here's most of the Sierra Fire Lookout Webcams in one look.

http://www.mtdiablocam.com/sierralookouts.htm
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 30, 2014 - 03:42pm PT
Wow... they closed Tioga Rd at Crane Flat? The fire must be moving aggressively north.

Damn.

Edit: Here's what is probably yesterday's perimeter. It's 1.5 miles from Crane Flat

Credit: khanom

See http://bit.ly/1qoLU6K for full map


Edit2: Finally the Crane Flat web cam is back up:

splitclimber

climber
Sonoma County
Jul 30, 2014 - 03:47pm PT
oh no!
Daphne

Trad climber
Northern California
Jul 30, 2014 - 04:57pm PT
Supertopo is where I go for my news :)

108 to 395 it is.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 30, 2014 - 04:59pm PT
Conflicting 120 info.
Right now, YNP road conditions
Closed from Big Oak Flat Entrance to Crane Flat (Hodgdon Meadow Campground is accessible from the west)
120 is not open at the Big Oak Flat entrance.

120 IS open via 41/140
ioga Road
(continuation of Highway 120 through the park)
(Information about Highway 120 outside Yosemite)
No access from Hwy 120 from the west (but is accessible via Hwys 41 and 140 from the west)
Expect delays

go figuah
There's construction on 120 at Ellery Lake, east of Tioga Pass with traffic delays.

Best place to keep up to date:
http://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/conditions.htm
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 30, 2014 - 05:27pm PT
Crap, that makes even less sense.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Jul 30, 2014 - 05:40pm PT
they might just be moving a lot of assets around crane flat heliport.

got rained on at kennedy meadows today-- yesterday's t-storms were so intense that middle fork (what's left of it) looked like Big Muddy. huge sediment dumps-- if the trout survive, yr not going to want to eat them.

fair bit of smoke from pinecrest to kennedy earlier, but it cleared out a bit as the day went on.
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Jul 30, 2014 - 05:47pm PT
The current map suggests that the section of road from Crane Flat to 140 (Big Oak Flat Road) has been reopened.
But since the fire perimeter is moving closer, I'm not confident this is true (or stable).

rwedgee

Ice climber
canyon country,CA
Jul 30, 2014 - 05:54pm PT
khanom used to get mad about motorcycles/OHV's and even airplanes making too much noise now he wants more traffic and cars ??
Did you sell out or what ?
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 30, 2014 - 05:56pm PT
hey there say, ... had not heard any thing more on the sand-fire...

anyone got anything to share, please?
thanks, :)
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 30, 2014 - 06:08pm PT
rwedgee, I suppose the subtlety might be too much for you:

Motorcycles = awesome & cool
Motorcycles so loud they are actually illegal = annoying & disruptive

Airplanes = awesome & cool
Airplanes over wilderness where there should be no "machines" = annoying & disruptive



OHV riders just suck.


Clint: It doesn't entirely make sense since the area most threatened (prevailing winds, etc) Crane Flat and east of it. Must be something else going on here.

Neebee: Sand fire is over 90% contained and hasn't grown much in days. A done deal, thankfully.
Mike Bolte

Trad climber
Planet Earth
Jul 30, 2014 - 06:30pm PT
whether it makes sense in the context of the fire and winds, looks like the bottom line is you can get to Tuolumne right now (Wednesday evening) via 41 or 140 to the Valley then up Big Oak Flat road to Crane Flat and up 120 to Tmds.
JOEY.F

Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
Jul 30, 2014 - 06:53pm PT
North Bay via 108 looks like the best option to Tuolumne
Khanom...best with the farm & thanks for the "go to" thread


HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 30, 2014 - 07:40pm PT
<OT rant>
Trains of Harleys with open pipes streaming over 120 in Tuol Mdws is repugnant.
Says the (relatively quiet) motorcycle rider.
You could substitute racing pipes Rice Burners except they are only loud when at open throttle. Unlike Hawgs which are nearly as loud at 2000 rpm as at 5000 rpm.
<end OT rant>
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Jul 30, 2014 - 08:51pm PT
You biker haters got something against retired Dentists and fat Vietnam Veterans?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jul 30, 2014 - 10:31pm PT
Biker haters...? No , just wanna be poseurs that dress up in leather and try to look bad...Lame..!
wstmrnclmr

Trad climber
Bolinas, CA
Jul 30, 2014 - 11:05pm PT
The latest from the NPS site say 120 closed from Big Oak Flat entrance to valley (140 intersection) is closed. So no Tuolumne from this side?
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 30, 2014 - 11:13pm PT
hey there say, khanom... wow, thanks, say, thanks so much!
for sharing...

night now...
prayers still for fire-stuff situations...
wstmrnclmr

Trad climber
Bolinas, CA
Jul 30, 2014 - 11:15pm PT
Read further back...Got it.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 31, 2014 - 08:13am PT
Good news! 120 is open again! There are no road closures within the park except for the road to Foresta.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 31, 2014 - 10:13am PT



Two wildfires in the Sierras

Print Story Published: 7/29 8:08 pm Share Updated: 7/30 1:31 pm
UPDATE: 7/30/14, 1:15 p.m.
SIERRAVILLE, Calif. (MyNews4.com & KRNV) -- According to a press release from the Truckee Fire Protection District, the fires on the Sierra Crest are currently being managed by the US Forest Service.

The progress of each fire is as follows:
Tinker's Fire has consumed nearly a quarter of an acre and there is no word on containment.
Silver Fire has consumed half of an acre and there is no word on containment.

The Sierraville Ranger District is also working on two other incidents in the area:
Harding Fire has consumed roughly 45 acres with suppression efforts being taken.
Elephant Fire has consumed approximately 25 acres with a dozer line around the fire and suppression efforts being taken.

For track the progress of these fires, visit the Truckee Fire Protection District website by clicking here.




SIERRAVILLE, Calif. (MyNews4.com & KRNV) -- The Tahoe National Forestry District is battling two brushfires in the Sierra Nevada mountains.

According to Sierra County officials, a lightning strike is the probable cause of a brushfire in an unpopulated area of Sierra County. The fire, being called the Harding Incident, is burning about 53 miles west of Reno and 1.5 miles north of Sierraville.

It has burned approximately three acres. Grass Valley Fire is assisting with the suppression efforts. As of now, there are no structures being threatened and no evacuations ordered.

The second fire is located just south of Donner Memorial State Park. Called the Tinker Incident, it has burned approximately a quarter of an acre.

Officials said these fires are small, but highly visible to the Reno area.




4 fires - a whopping less than 80 acres involved.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 31, 2014 - 12:23pm PT
Rong, that's pretty weak, even by your standards.
John M

climber
Jul 31, 2014 - 12:46pm PT
very smokey in Wawona today.

Anyone know of a decent current smoke map? I can't figure out which fire this smoke is coming from. With a west southwest wind, the El Portal fire smoke should be blowing away from us. and the French fire should be too far east.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 31, 2014 - 12:48pm PT
Lodge LCA fire started yesterday on the upper Eel River NW of Laytonville.
Now at 85 acres.
It's 6 miles and 1 ridge W of my son's previous summer camp: Camp Winnarainbow. My wife nurses there every summer. Her shift was a month ago.
We have good friends just south of Laytonville, she's the head nurse at Winnarainbow

Good luck up there Wavy and Johannara, Jundi and the other counsellors, Rose and David and all the campers.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 31, 2014 - 12:49pm PT
decent current smoke map?
nope, I suspect smoke's way too variable to map
The fire down by Mammoth Pool is growing today.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Jul 31, 2014 - 12:55pm PT
There are a lot of airtankers and helicopters working this afternoon in the mountains of Northern California (north of Redding, CA), Medford, OR area and up into the Bend / Prineville region. Fire weather watches posted.


Here's a useful public link:
http://gacc.nifc.gov/oncc/predictive/intelligence/news_notes/index.htm

News and Notes 07/31/2014

1230 CA-KNF Whites Fire: 200 acres in timber, 0% contained. 11 miles west of Callahan, CA. Moderate rate of spread. 93 degrees, 16% RH, winds southeast 13 gusting 23.

1230 CA-SHF Coffee Fire: 10 acres in timber, 0% contained. 6 miles northwest of Coffee Creek, CA. Moderate rate of spread. 91 degrees, 21% RH, winds south-southeast 4 gusting 8.

Effective 1200 today North Ops is moving to preparedness level 4.
(On a scale of 1-5 with 5 being the highest fire preparedness level).




khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 31, 2014 - 01:34pm PT
John, it's been very smokey here (west of YNP) for days. I think the lower pressure has just let the smoke spread out more... it's slowly been clearing today.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 31, 2014 - 02:02pm PT
In the Santa Cruz mountains, the morning CalFire checkin (includes county fire and volunteer companies) asked all mountain companies to cover their equipment.
That means volunteer companies to their stations and "regulars" to man their stations with all hands.
It's as hot today as yesterday. No forecast for moisture in the next week.
At least forecast cooling off a little on Sat and Sun.

Two local CDCR inmate crews were sent out of area to a fire.

Bloody He**
Lodge fire now to 600 acres, spotting and spreading.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Jul 31, 2014 - 03:43pm PT
I haven't noticed a whole lot of air activity over the Yosemite area. That is a good sign for fire fighters and residents.

Most of the heavy airtankers and helitankers are active in roughly the Redding / Medford / Bend / Wenatchee, WA mountains. With SEAT activity in the lower country extending all the way into ID and northern MT.

And it is not even August yet. It might be a long month if this weather continues.

mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 31, 2014 - 04:44pm PT
Nor have I seen #911 today.

And for the folks up Plymouth way, there is a happening soon, Sand Aid.
http://www.facebook.com/julioinglasses
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Jul 31, 2014 - 05:05pm PT
All I can say is that they better damn well get that friggin French fire under control because the SOB is getting too damn close to my Arnold Meadows house for my liking.

Of course, one neighbor works for the Bass Lake FD and another is a retired CDF Battalion chief so I'm going with the "it's who you know" approach.
doughnutnational

Gym climber
its nice here in the spring
Jul 31, 2014 - 05:36pm PT

I haven't seen or heard any tankers out toward the french fire since yesterday, I'm hoping they are flying another route becauseI saw alot until yesterday and I know the fire is still raging.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 31, 2014 - 06:52pm PT
Ricky D, you might want to head out and do last minute prep.

French Fire. Full Map: http://bit.ly/1m23vhW
French Fire. Full Map: http://bit.ly/1m23vhW
Credit: khanom



Also: Looks like El Portal Fire is almost to Crane Flat Campground.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Jul 31, 2014 - 07:22pm PT
khanom: re el portal--

i heard they cut/burned line back from the heliport. i think they've tried to push it up toward old coulter v rd.

in any event, things must be better-- my cal fire neighbor was back home today. i was too busy cleaning gutters to go hit him up.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 31, 2014 - 11:12pm PT
El Portal fire is 4,198 acres and now 58% contained. So yeah, seems like they got it.

Not much info on the French Fire as yet.

Day Fire in Lassen/Modoc has expanded to 4,500 acres in a single day. 200 homes threatened. Disturbing...
David Knopp

Trad climber
CA
Aug 1, 2014 - 07:44am PT
Anybody have info about the air quality around Lover's Leap? Toulumne? Courtwright? I'm casting a wide net...
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 1, 2014 - 07:50am PT
Planning to head up to Tuolumne myself this weekend... I suspect it's not going to be great but will be tolerable.

They're going to let folks back into Foresta at 3pm today. So sorry for those who lost their homes!


BTW, the area the fire is pushing into -- SSW of Crane Flat, Moss Canyon -- hasn't burned in forever. I wouldn't be surprised if they want to use the fact that it's in a canyon to let some of that burn. That's all Sanislaus NF though, so who knows...

Edit: MODIS data as of 2am this morning shows the El Portal fire within 1/4 mile of Crane Flat. No doubt they'll hold it but perhaps another road closure is a possibility.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Aug 1, 2014 - 08:30am PT
Some news and notes from areas a little further north of Yosemite:

08/01/2014
0700 CA-KNF Beaver Fire: 400 acres, 11% contained. Moderate rate of spread, with active short runs during the afternoon. Active burning observed on all flanks. NorCal IMT2 Team 2 (Johnson) will inbrief at 1200 hours today.

CA-MEU Lodge Complex: 650 acres, 5% contained. Steep slopes and difficult access are hampering containment efforts. CAL FIRE IMT Team 4 (Derum) assumed command of the incident this morning.

CA-KNF July Complex: Complex comprises the White (1,000 acres, 0% contained), Leef (17 acres, 45% contained) and Log (130 acres, 0% contained) fires. White Fire is making significant upslope runs with single tree torching; Leef fire has forward progress stopped and is smoldering; Log fire is active on all flanks. California IMT Team 1 (McGowan) will inbrief today.

CA-LNF Bald Fire: 3,100 acres, 0% contained. Fire is threatening Pacific Crest Trail, historical structures and power, communication and transportation infrastructures. Fire progressing at a moderate rate of spread, with short range spotting and torching. NorCal IMT2 Team 1 (Minton) is assigned to this fire and will inbrief at 1400 hours today.

CA-LMU Day Fire: 7,000 acres, 5% contained. Fire continues to make significant runs with long range spotting. Continued threat to the community of Day, Lookout Ranchettes, local power infrastructure and commercial timberlands. CAL FIRE IMT Team 3 (Michael) will inbrief today.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 1, 2014 - 09:01am PT
Latest El Portal fire MODIS
Moving right up to Crane Flat junction
ElPortal Fire MODIS 1Aug014 AM
ElPortal Fire MODIS 1Aug014 AM
Credit: HighTraverse

Lodge fire slowly expanding northwards towards 101 North of Laytonville.
Not moving towards children's summer camp Camp Winnarainbow.
We have several friends on staff there.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 1, 2014 - 12:30pm PT
Finally a map of the El Portal Fire with dozer lines:

http://www.nps.gov/yose/blogs/Yosemite-Fire-Update-August-1-2014-as-of...
http://www.nps.gov/yose/blogs/Yosemite-Fire-Update-August-1-2014-as-of-7-00AM.htm
Credit: khanom
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 1, 2014 - 12:42pm PT
There it was in the paper this morning, so it must be true, eh?

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Yosemite-fire-Main-road-into-park-is-reopened-5659982.php

Hot pics, too.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 1, 2014 - 01:14pm PT
Yosemite current road conditions
All main roads within Yosemite National Park, including the Big Oak Flat Road, are open. Crane Flat, Bridalveil Creek, and Yosemite Creek Campgrounds are temporarily closed. The community of Foresta remains closed.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Aug 1, 2014 - 01:31pm PT
Calfire has 2 airtankers and a Huey on a start just south of Mariposa.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 1, 2014 - 01:58pm PT
Aha! Lots of air activity over us headed toward Mariposa, but nothing on twitter or news yet.

Circling CalFire spotter planes have a very distinctive sound and this is usually my first warning if it's anywhere near.

So thanks for the beta albatross! How did you know?

Oh, and that huey flew right over our place.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Aug 1, 2014 - 02:06pm PT
Through work I have access to a program which lets me view all the firefighting aircraft in the country. It's pretty cool and gives me a good idea where the activity is happening (airtankers and heavy helicopters flying typically means something is going on).

I don't see any other aircraft over that Mariposa area, so it was either a false alarm or they caught it small.
Daphne

Trad climber
Northern California
Aug 1, 2014 - 02:10pm PT
Smoky on the eastside. Tolerable in the meadows when i drove in this morning.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 1, 2014 - 02:12pm PT
Neat. Too bad that data isn't public.

Not hearing any aircraft atm, so hopefully it's out.

109F and rather windy in Groveland.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 1, 2014 - 02:13pm PT
Fire on Hwy 1 (the coastal highway) N of Santa Cruz, just S of Waddell Beach.
On the ocean side of the road.
Fire crews were called out about an hour ago. There haven't been any more callouts and I can't see any significant smoke rising over the coastal hills so I'm guessing it's under control.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 1, 2014 - 03:44pm PT
French Fire: Arnold Meadow being evacuated. Sorry Ricky D!
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Aug 1, 2014 - 05:17pm PT
REALLY heavy smoke moved into June Lake earlier today....lots of ash falling.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Aug 1, 2014 - 05:23pm PT
It looks to really be heating up in northern Cal. If forecasted lightning and winds pan out, it could be an interesting month:

1615 Update from news and notes:

CA-HUU McClellan Fire: 30 acres, 0% contained, burning brush. Fire is located on Highway 36 at McClellan Mountain Road, Dinsmore. Rapid rate of spread. Structures threatened, evacuations in progress.

CA-LMU Day Fire: 7,000 acres, 10% contained. Mandatory evacuations of the Lookout Ranchettes have been issued.

CA-SHF Coffee Fire: 200 acres, 0% contained, burning in timber. Fire is located in the Trinity Alps Wilderness, 5 miles northwest of Coffee Creek. Moderate to rapid rate of spread.

CA-KNF Little Deer Fire: 350 acres, 0% contained, burning in brush and timber. Fire is located near Highway 97, 11 miles southwest of Macdoel. Moderate rate of spread. Fire is burning towards Highway 97.

1530
OR-ODF Oregon Gulch Fire: 9000 acres, 0% contained. Fire is burning near the community of Copco, south of the Oregon border. Fire was part of the Beaver Complex east of Ashland, Oregon that burned into California overnight. Structure threat to the community of Copco. Fire is being managed by an ODF Type 1 team. 1,000 acres is burning in Siskiyou County, California. Fire is in Unified Command with CAL FIRE.

1530
CA-LNF Eiler Fire: 950 acres, 0% contained, burning in timber. Fire is located in the 1,000 Lakes Wilderness, 12 miles southwest of Burney. Rapid rate of spread.
John M

climber
Aug 1, 2014 - 05:27pm PT
It was seriously smokey and hot in Oakhurst today. It got a little bad here in Wawona, but right now its cleared out.

I hope everyone makes it through this batch of fires. The heat is getting bad.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 2, 2014 - 06:27am PT
6:16 a.m., 8/2/14.
That's Mount Bullion/Fremont Peak in the center of this pic.  It's fro...
That's Mount Bullion/Fremont Peak in the center of this pic. It's from my window. The direction of the smoke is hard to say. The air is very still.
Credit: mouse from merced
It's going to be a scorcher here. I'm getting on the bus to the Lodge, going to check this smoke out.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2014 - 08:21am PT
French Fire is turning into French Fry?

11,466 acres, 15% contained. Potential for it to go much much bigger. Yesterday saw extreme fire behavior and rapid rate of spread in the afternoon. This is projected to continue as the fire "moves into more dense fuels" according to the Inciweb French Fire page.

http://bit.ly/UHOzhR
http://bit.ly/UHOzhR
Credit: khanom
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Aug 2, 2014 - 10:45am PT
Bummer, we've got most all of August and Sept. coming......yikes.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Aug 2, 2014 - 12:16pm PT
Here's some morning news and notes from North Ops:

08/02/2014 0730

CA-KNF Little Deer: 600 acres, 10% contained.

CA-SHF Coffee Fire: 750 acres, 5% contained. Fire made significant runs upslope due to rollout and numerous snags. Heavy inversion settled over the fire during the night.

OR-ODF Beaver Complex: 11,623 acres, 2% contained. 4,645 acres are burning in California. Evacuation notices in effect for Copco Road area. Threat to Fallbrook water supply source for Yreka. Fire is in Unified Command with CAL FIRE.

CA-KNF July Complex: California IMT1 Team 1 (McGowan) assumed command of the complex at 0600 hours. Complex includes the White Fire, Log Fire and the Leef Fire. White Fire: 2,500 acres, 0% contained, rollout continued overnight with active backing. Log Fire: 350 acres, 0% contained, rollout continues to hamper containment efforts; fire is in Unified Command with CAL FIRE. Leef Fire: 17 acres, 90% contained. Minimal fire activity reported.

CA-KNF Beaver: 1,751 acres, 5% contained. Fire spotted across Beaver Creek, doubling the fire size. The fire made significant runs to the north east late into the night. Mandatory evacuations are in effect for the Beaver Creek area. Advisory evacuations are in place along the Klamath River.

CA-MEU Lodge Complex: 902 acres, 20% contained. Fire continued to spread in all directions. Steep terrain and potential for rolling debris is hampering containment efforts.

CA-Eiler Fire: 6,932 acres, 0% contained. Fire is under command of NorCal Team 1 (Minton). Fire made significant sustained runs yesterday. Fire has crossed Highway 89; Highway 89 remains closed in the fire area. Evacuations remain in place. Thousand Lakes Wilderness is closed.

CA-LNF Bald Fire: 17,977 acres, 5% contained. Fire is in Unified Command with CAL FIRE. Extreme fire behavior, with rapid rates of spread and long range spotting. Evacuations are in place for Little Valley Road. Burlington Northern-Santa Fe rail line remains shut down.

CA-LMU Day Fire: 12,500 acres, 15% contained. Fire continues to move with high intensity. Wind driven runs produced long range spotting up to 1/2 mile.

**08/01/2014 Effective 2030 tonight North Ops is moving to preparedness level 5.
**
http://gacc.nifc.gov/oncc/predictive/intelligence/news_notes/index.htm
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Aug 2, 2014 - 12:20pm PT
Another interesting link for fire weather geeks:

(Note this is for Northern California)

http://psgeodata.fs.fed.us/7day/action/forecast/10

* Dry with Gusty Southwest Winds East of Cascade-Sierra Crest Today *

* Thunderstorms Late Sunday Through Friday, Peaking on Monday *

The very hot/dry conditions at the surface have dried dead fuels down to critically dry levels in most areas. 1000-hr fuels are down to between 5-10% across most inland areas. In addition, live fuel moisture is down to between 75-110% in higher elevations (above 4000 ft), and 65-75% in lower elevations (with locally drier spots). These critically dry fuel conditions are now producing rapid fire growth. Abundant lightning, even combined with rainfall, Sunday night and Monday will likely lead to new ignitions. With resource drawdown at its current level, abundant new lightning is considered a HIGH RISK situation.

John M

climber
Aug 2, 2014 - 12:29pm PT
Here is a smoke map for california

http://californiasmokeinfo.blogspot.com/2014/08/august-1-2014-update-on-central.html

It was clear last night here in Wawona. Now its very smokey..

How is everyone else doing? They say the el portal fire is 78 percent contain. I believe thats because it ran into the burn area from the last fire.
this just in

climber
north fork
Aug 2, 2014 - 07:28pm PT
https://m.facebook.com/MaderaSheriff/posts/690078114413021
They found the source of the French Fire. I can't believe people sometimes.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2014 - 07:48pm PT
Not in the least surprising.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 2, 2014 - 08:58pm PT
Mammoth is smoked out with little flakes of ash falling...It rained for a few minutes this evening after a few rumblings of thunder were heard...Flashflood warnings for tomorrow...
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 2, 2014 - 10:53pm PT
Given to me this afternoon at Washburn Point by ydarB boB, Smokey the ...
Given to me this afternoon at Washburn Point by ydarB boB, Smokey the Bear's mentor.
Credit: mouse from merced
Also from Bob Brady.
Also from Bob Brady.
Credit: mouse from merced
Also Bob Brady, having a "respite."  Could this be Eric Beck's OTHER d...
Also Bob Brady, having a "respite." Could this be Eric Beck's OTHER doppelganger? He already has ONE, fer Smokey's sake.
Credit: mouse from merced
The Royal Arches.  Today under the pall of smoke, maybe chimney-climbi...
The Royal Arches. Today under the pall of smoke, maybe chimney-climbing is best avoided.
Credit: mouse from merced
I spoke with Mr. Cliff today, an NPS firefighter, who was taking a day off at Glacier Point. Neither of us had been up there in quite some time and today, of all days, was unique because of the tremendous layer of smoke all over.

He had just yesterday taken a chopper flight to the top of one of the high points across from Glacier, like North Dome, someplace in the picture above, anyway. He'd been on the go since before the El Portal fire and was happy as heck to get this break.
Tissayack from Glacier Point.
Tissayack from Glacier Point.
Credit: mouse from merced
Tocoyah and The Friends of Tissayack.  Wearing gray flannel today, no ...
Tocoyah and The Friends of Tissayack. Wearing gray flannel today, no plaid.
Credit: mouse from merced
The fire upstream from Yosemite Falls in the basin of the crick.  It's...
The fire upstream from Yosemite Falls in the basin of the crick. It's super-dry now.
Credit: mouse from merced
The floor of the valley was the worst it's been, according to Eric Bis...
The floor of the valley was the worst it's been, according to Eric Bissel at the Bridge. It's the worst smoke up there that I've ever seen, by far, but you couldn't see very far, so make of that what you will.
Credit: mouse from merced
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 2, 2014 - 10:58pm PT
hey there say, ... thank you one and all... for the updates...

as to links, info, of fire, smoke areas, ash, and flooding areas, as well...

prayers for all...
and the oh my:
yep, still have all of aug, to go, and who knows, sept??
as to hot dry weather, as well???

used to be, when i was a kid, some of sept was occasionaly, like summer...
though, cool damp mornings, did set in...
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Aug 3, 2014 - 07:01am PT
Getting ready to pour down rain this morning here on the eastside.

Bring it!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 3, 2014 - 07:14am PT
rodger that Cragman...It is dark and feels like it's going to dump...an Early ride with rain jacket is in order..
Dick Erb

climber
June Lake, CA
Aug 3, 2014 - 08:27am PT
Here is a very interesting time lapse video of the El Portal fire.

http://vimeo.com/102372212
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Aug 3, 2014 - 08:28am PT
Clouds moving up from the south and westward here -center of the system seems to be over S-Central CA. Let rip n rain..
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 3, 2014 - 08:46am PT
Very cool video!

Northern California is now as Preparedness Level 5.

Looks like the fires to watch are the Bald fire in Lassen National Forest (34,832 acres) and the French Fire -- 12,877 acres with structure protection happening in Hogue Ranch, Kinsman Flat, and Arnold Meadows. No update on El Portal -- still at 4,689 acres, 89% contained.

Thanks albatross for the summaries -- very helpful!
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Aug 3, 2014 - 09:13am PT
Getting light smoke from the Coffee Fire in the Trinity Alps Wilderness near Coffee Creek.
Town of Burney has been warned of possible evacuation from the Eiler Fire.
Hey John, Bald Fire they named for you for your years of service.;-)
We live under the takeoff/landing corridor for the interagency Redding Air Attack Base and man were they busy yesterday.
Be safe air and ground crews!
Tad
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Aug 3, 2014 - 09:17am PT
Wonderful monsoonal pattern here in northern AZ. The moisture should slow down the fires in South Ops (Yosemite area and south).

khanom, your welcome. The GACCs have good information. Most folks reading this thread are interested in the South Ops Coordination Center. Intelligence and Outlooks page have lots of useful beta.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Aug 3, 2014 - 12:09pm PT
08/03 1215 National Preparedness Level has been elevated to PL 4.

The siege of 2014 begins...
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Aug 3, 2014 - 12:36pm PT
We pulled out of Arnold Meadows the other day after the mandatory evac for the French Fire.

The northern head of the fire at the time was coming up the Chiquito Creek drainage from Mammoth Pool around the Wagners Store area. About 3 miles south of us as the embers fly.

Talked to my Bass Lake FD bud last night - they have staged 5 Engine Companies inside of our meadow with a dozer line being cut to our south from Lower Chiquito campground easterly to Minarets road near the FS Workstation.

Over the last 5 years - the local FS had done a lot of underbrush clearing around our area - hoping that work pays off. What concerns them and us the most is that Arnold Meadows has about 150 one acre lots - maybe 50 have houses or cabins with the rest being set up either for tent camping or covered with crap since the absentee owners haven't been up in years.

It's those crap lots that spook us the most - the one due south of me has 20 years of tree fall and understory trash trees that would go up like a bomb if fire hit. Dawny and I have over the years slowly "moved" into that lot - have probably cleared about 75 feet of it from our side - but that still leaves a couple hundred of feet still full of tinder.

But again, we have four owners who have a vested interest in their property plus the skills to do something about fire - one BLFD, one recently retired CalFire Captain, one active USFS Hotshot and another FD guy from the Valley.

Feeling better about the prospects but damn - that whole area is going to look like sh#t for years after this fire.

Ricky D and Charming Dawn

Credit: Ricky D

Credit: Ricky D


khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 3, 2014 - 02:00pm PT
Hope all goes well for you Ricky D. Nice place!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 3, 2014 - 02:23pm PT
Mammoth is smoke free today...Cool , breezy , cloudy and waiting for rain..I heard it rained in Ojai all morning...
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 3, 2014 - 07:08pm PT
have probably cleared about 75 feet of it from our side
That's a very good start.
As you probably know, CalFire likes 100feet of "defensible space"
Cut everything up to 8" diameter (except any special species, such as perhaps Pacific Yew)
In the Santa Cruz mtns it's Toyon, Buckeye and Madrone if it's sparse.
Remove all branches up to 10 feet.
Check with your CalFire for best reduction method: options are chipping, burn piles (a bit late for that this year) and lop and scatter.
Very likely you already know this.
Good luck
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 3, 2014 - 07:31pm PT
It's those crap lots that spook us the most - the one due south of me has 20 years of tree fall and understory trash trees that would go up like a bomb if fire hit. Dawny and I have over the years slowly "moved" into that lot - have probably cleared about 75 feet of it from our side - but that still leaves a couple hundred of feet still full of tinder.

yeah, that's my world, too. absentee owner, stacks of brush and ladder fuels.

at least you got the metal roof.

good luck, dude.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Aug 4, 2014 - 06:11am PT
Amazing rain here in June Lake last evening....didn't let up til 0230 this morning!
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Aug 4, 2014 - 07:27am PT
I spoke too soon....it's raining again! NICE!
Norwegian

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Aug 4, 2014 - 07:33am PT
call your local tree guy, folks.
they are your best friend,
and this is money well-spent.

we mimic the fire process
in a controlled and proactive process.

skirt the dead branches on those trees;
they look gosh handsome
and with no fire-ladder branches,
they very well could survive
a wild-burn process.

remove clutter.
aim for an independent canopy,
meaning you should see daylight
between the upper branches of adjacent trees.

with our successive droughts,
thinning out clutter trees
will not only reduce your
venerability to fire,
but will also provide
more water for the mature,
keeper trees (less competetion.)
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 4, 2014 - 11:49am PT
One contrarian view on dropping dead trees.
From a friend who was ex CalFire fighter, chief, fire behaviorist and then resources manager of a major open space district in the Bay Area.
As fire behaviorist, Pat was the guy sitting in a trailer at the fire camp working with weather data, fuel load and topographic maps and computer models trying to work out what the fire was likely to do next.

Standing dead trees are often best left in place. With no green vegetation they don't spread fire quickly. They are great animal habitat (owls, bats, bugs, squirrels, etc). One tree can house dozens of critters of several species.
Obviously they are prone to coming down in a fire (or a storm) so don't leave them near anything you care about. Or power lines!

Our local CDCR inmate camp is spread thin. Our shaded fuel break project could only get one crew today. Most of the camp crews are out on fire lines.
We're having the first cool, moderate relative humidity day in nearly a month.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 4, 2014 - 12:03pm PT
Cragman..it's not raining here...Stop stealing our rain...rj
Tork

climber
Yosemite
Aug 4, 2014 - 12:11pm PT
It's not raining here either and I live a stones throw away. If you've got a good arm that is.
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Aug 4, 2014 - 12:30pm PT
Ladder Fuels - yep, that's been the phrase of the year for a while now.

My lot spills out onto the meadow itself on the west side. Twice a season I weedwhack and mow the meadow down to about 4 inches running out about 150 feet from the leading tree line. There is a overly healthy river willow stand that follows a couple of seasonal watercourses and I have taken to thinning the dead stuff and cutting the branches up to a height of about 3 feet above the mowed part.

We have lifted the limbs on the leading edge of the trees to a height of 20-30 feet and cut any dead finger branch I can reach from a 36 foot ladder and a 20 foot pole saw.

But again, it's that trash tree lot to my south that scares me. The "owner" hasn't come up in over 10 years - we offered to buy him out back when we had money but never heard from them. I'm thinking after this fire season is over - we will say screw 'em and just go ahead and clear that pile ourselves.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 5, 2014 - 06:36pm PT
Heard there was a 3 acre fire in Midpines (down Hwy 140 from El Portal) this afternoon. Out now. Two tankers, an AT, and a Huey flew over earlier, but I think that was for another fire in Fresno/Tulare county.


The thing that's pissing me off right now is that deciduous trees are dropping their leaves. That supposed to happen when it doesn't matter anymore.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 5, 2014 - 07:07pm PT
yeah, drought protection.

of course, the oaks want fire. they just don't want the catastrophic ones.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Aug 5, 2014 - 08:09pm PT
There is trouble in the forest
and the creatures all have fled
the maples scream 'fire suppression!'
and the oaks just shake their heads.

DMT
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 5, 2014 - 08:29pm PT
Anybody want venison?

The other problem of this drought is the most intense deer pressure I've seen. We have 4-5 really nice looking bucks hanging out. They're eating the chicken food. One got into the field and sampled about 20 watermelons. Probably 4 does and 3 little ones. Now 2 little ones... hopefully 1 got eaten.

Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Aug 5, 2014 - 09:46pm PT
Can I get a FKNA!

From the French Fire Inciweb Update -

"Evacuation order will be lifted on Wedensday August 6th at 9:00 AM for residents living in the Arnold Meadows and Wagners Mammoth Pool Resort area. The Forest Service Area Road and Trail Closure remains in effect and the area remains closed to the public."

Nothing like dodging a bullet to make you feel grateful for the men and women who risk their lives to save the hopes and dreams of strangers.

Amazing.


Doubly amazing to find out DMT knows the lyrics to a Rush song!!!!!!!!!!
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 6, 2014 - 07:26am PT
Great to hear that Ricky!
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 6, 2014 - 10:07pm PT
hey there say, RickyD ... hope all is well...

just checking in and hoping folks were, and are, okay...
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 6, 2014 - 10:09pm PT
hey there say, norwegian... wow, neat poem... love the jobs-that-need-to-be-done, aspect of it, too... :)

lots of good insight there and good honest work for folks, too, :)
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 7, 2014 - 07:57am PT
Just found this neat tool:

National Fuel Moisture Database

Unfortunately it's a little tough to find active sampling sites, at least in my area.

Here's a comparison of live fuel moisture for 2014, 2013, and 2005 for a site between North Fork and Shaver Lake:

http://www.wfas.net/index.php/national-fuel-moisture-database-moisture...
http://www.wfas.net/index.php/national-fuel-moisture-database-moisture-drought-103
Credit: khanom


Current Dead fuel moisture conditions:
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 7, 2014 - 11:27am PT
Anybody want venison?
Intense deer pressure here as well. I walk my dog in a large meadow in the forest about 10 PM every night.
The deer seem to be diminishing. Maximum in June, 9 at a time, 6 or 7 nearly each evening.
Now max is 4, just 3 last night. A couple of nights have been zero.
For a year there has been a magnificent yellow eyed buck. Haven't seen him in about 2 weeks. He's quite noticeable at night.

Now for a fire update. On Tuesday there was a significant fire in the Santa Cruz mountains at the top of King's Creek Road.
Within 20 minutes there were a Huey Helitak crew/water dropper, an S2 twin engine tanker and an OV10 Bronco command craft.

Within 2 hours it was fully contained. Had it climbed the ridge, it would have been 1 1/2 miles of wilderness canyon from my house. The fire was entirely on private land but about 1/4 mile from the Castle Rock State Park southern boundary. The fire crews drove down the Kings Creek Truck Trail which we cleared last year as a shaded fuel break project. This saved them about 15 minutes drive time vs Highway 9 or Bear Creek Rd.
Kings Creek fire viewed from Kings Creek Truck Trail
Kings Creek fire viewed from Kings Creek Truck Trail
Credit: HighTraverse
You can see the Huey in this photo. He was sucking water from a nearby pond.
Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Aug 7, 2014 - 01:47pm PT
Now that the El Portal Fire is about out, did they find out the cause? I ran into the pic from the newspaper of the El Portal Fire a few years back that was caused by a broke down RV on fire....
Newspaper Credit.....
Newspaper Credit.....
Credit: Radish
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 7, 2014 - 02:19pm PT
El Portalians are saying it was an oak tree falling on power lines. Of course it will be "under investigation" until 2024 at which time it will quietly be tucked away.

{begin rant}
Around here people are very upset that the Rim Fire "investigation" hasn't pinpointed a cause. Some suggest that the whole illegal campfire thing is BS. Essentially it's government robots not wanting to stick their neck out if the evidence isn't 120% definitive. But it is or should be public information even if a specific cause isn't isolated...
{/end rant}
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 7, 2014 - 02:34pm PT
"Essentially it's government robots not wanting to stick their neck out if the evidence isn't 120% definitive."

If that's true, can you really blame them? If a mistake is made, they get crucified from every angle (not to mention debilitating litigation). Who would want to stick there neck out, knowing there's a strong likelihood it's gonna get chopped, one way or the other?

Not defending land managers in general, by any stretch. I do have some empathy for what they have to deal with, though.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 7, 2014 - 02:46pm PT
khanom, the feds entered formal charges this morning against the rim fire suspect

http://www.news10.net/story/news/local/modesto/2014/08/07/rim-fire-arrest/13735225/


khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 7, 2014 - 03:03pm PT
Ha ha! That's hilarious. It only took just shy of a year. Was it the threat of a congressional hearing?


Of course the helicopter ride was never mentioned. Seems they knew all along?
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 7, 2014 - 04:14pm PT
there were media reports at the time that the suspect had given the feds a written confession--

looks like that was true. he seems to have confessed at least twice, with different details each time, then recanted the confessions. then blamed it on a grower op he claims to have found there.

each of those various stories doubtless precipitated a whole bunch of forensic work. wonder if there was also a negotiation over a plea?

khanom, the state and us cali politicians got brief last fall by doj. that's why mclintock quit beating that drum.

edit cuz i forgot to link the lat

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-81026285/



HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 7, 2014 - 09:42pm PT
I hope they throw the book at Keith Matthew Emerald.
Stupid friggen b**tard.
Thanks to Google he'll go down in history. 20 years from now when someone google's Rim Fire, they'll get old fashioned 22cal bullets and this moron.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 7, 2014 - 10:25pm PT
Emerald put some business people over here in a financial bind...tragic...
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 8, 2014 - 07:35am PT
He put some people here out of business altogether. He cost me about half my season's revenue.

I'd really like to ask him what he was thinking.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 8, 2014 - 09:31am PT
Some not so good news.
The Lodge fire just west of Camp Winnarainbow has spotted eastward for the first time and is now on the Winnarainbow/Hwy 101 east side of the ridges. Now less than 4 miles away.
Winnarainbow has kids for one more week. Hope they're not having too much smoke.
Credit: HighTraverse

At least the fire will be easier to fight.

7:15 AM morning report:
The fire continues to burn in heavy timber. Firefighters are challenged by steep, rugged terrain with difficult access. Fire activity increased yesterday as the eastern flank of the fire pushed to the south. The fire crossed the Eel River in two areas and continues to grow to the east. Structure defense preparation continues near populated areas and firefighting personnel continue to make progress constructing fire line across the northern and southern boundaries of the fire.

5,400 acres - 30% contained
35 structures threatened

Total Fire Personnel: 1,733
Total Fire Engines: 151
Total Fire crews: 42
Total Helicopters: 15
Total Dozers: 30
Total Water Tenders: 25


Winnarainbow has a small lake for swimming. Given the low levels in the Eel River that might be the only water source for helicopters and tankers on the eastern front.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 8, 2014 - 10:07am PT
Smoke over Waddell Beach, north of Santa Cruz
Credit: HighTraverse
smoke over Monterey Bay, south of Santa Cruz
Credit: HighTraverse
bob

climber
Aug 8, 2014 - 10:20am PT
My sister and her family are part owners of The Big Bend Lodge on the Eel River and crews are staying there. They've been clearing like mad, made a helipad, and are otherwise doing as much in preparation for the fire's arrival. Scary.

We all have our fingers crossed.

http://www.advocate-news.com/latest-local/ci_26291298/lodge-complex-fire-threatens-resorts-south-leggett
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 8, 2014 - 10:31am PT
that canyon looks bad.

good luck.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 8, 2014 - 10:48am PT
bob
the MODIS map I posted shows that the fire has moved south from the Lodge since last evening. They'll have good dozer lines but there'll be plenty of hotspots to mop up. They'll likely be OK now. You can bet the fire crews are thankful for their assistance.
bob

climber
Aug 8, 2014 - 11:58am PT
Sounds like the Lodge is busy!!! Poor septic. :) Thank you for the links everybody.

edit: my sis says that the fire is still slowly progressing towards the lodge as far as her source of information is concerned. Smoke plumes build up, everyone gets more gripped, then they die down, or at least move out of sight. Deep canyon living. Its like living in a cave.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 8, 2014 - 05:29pm PT
I read on the wildlandfire.com forum that there may be a fire around the Burst Rock area up Sonora Pass. Anybody know anything?
murcy

Gym climber
sanfrancisco
Aug 8, 2014 - 05:48pm PT
Came over Sonora from the east this morning; no signs that I saw...
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 9, 2014 - 11:26am PT
Bad news on the Lodge Lightning Complex fire close to US101 between Laytonville and Legget.
Continues to spread eastward.
8 firefighters injured when it popped over a ridge.
5 of them CDCR inmates. My local inmate camp and CalFire stations have crews up there.

I have some sympathy for the CDCR inmate crews. I've worked with them for the past two years on shaded fuel break projects. Decent enough non-violent state prison inmates doing their best to keep out of prison. Some of them will return to prison. Bad habits can be hard to break. I've seen them work their arses off for me, I can only imagine how hard they work on a fire line. Pretty much nonstop except for a few hours sleep here and there, often just bivvying out in the forest when the crew gets relieved. Two weeks ago, I got an inmate crew who'd returned after several days on a North Cal fire the night before. They were really dragging. I've worked several times with their Captain and she knows how to work them. She cut them all the slack they wanted that day.
Our project has not had a crew all this week. So were stalled till next Tuesday. If then.

Eight firefighters were injured as the fire crested a portion of Brush Mountain. All eight firefighters were transported to burn centers and treated for burns; they remain in stable condition. According to CalFire Director Ken Pimlott the injuries are considered serious but not life threatening. Three of the firefighters were from a fire agency on loan to fight the fire and five were members of the California Department of Corrections fire crews assigned to the fire.
&#40;Kim Salloway Photography&#41;
(Kim Salloway Photography)
Credit: HighTraverse
http://www.willitsnews.com/localnews/ci_26294823/lodge-complex-fire-threatens-resorts-south-leggett

Big Bend Lodge looks to be pretty much in the clear now.
Continues to move towards Camp Winnarainbow but it's not mentioned in the article
CalFire has ordered evacuations for areas of the Lodge Complex Fire for Camp Seabow, Elder Place, Tan Oak Park, Bald Mountain Ranch, Mad Creek and areas of Elk Creek east of Brush Mountain.
Credit: HighTraverse
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 9, 2014 - 12:27pm PT
Just to clear the air about that miserable SOB Emerald and the Rim fire, here is yesterday's Merced Sun-Stroke news.
Credit: mouse from merced
Credit: mouse from merced
Erik, I'm sorry for your financial loss, hoss. Yer obviously one of the hardest-working members of your community there and my sympathy goes out to the rest of them, as well.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 18, 2014 - 04:10pm PT
We saw two tankers go overhead a couple of hours ago. Turns out it's the Junction Fire down in Oakhurst. It's off Road 425A near the junction of Hwy 41 & 49. I heard via Twitter that 41 is down to one lane of traffic.

It's only 25 acres but moving fast. Evacuations are in effect and there is an immediate threat to structures.

Edit: now at 200 acres


Edit2: Also another fire near lake Isabella. 200 acres, rapid spread, apparently houses are already burning.

View from Tobias Peak webcam:

John M

climber
Aug 18, 2014 - 04:39pm PT
Highway 41 is closed.. I hope they get on this one quick. It could be bad. Read up on the Harlow fire.

http://www.sierrastar.com/2008/07/10/45834/harlow-fire-spread-through-the.html

Its windy up on Glacier point road today. I don't know about Oakhurst.


SR 41
[IN THE CENTRAL CALIFORNIA AREA]
IS CLOSED FROM THE JCT OF SR 49 TO 3.5 MI NORTH OF THE JCT OF SR 49
(MADERA CO) - DUE TO A WILDFIRE - MOTORISTS ARE ADVISED TO USE AN
ALTERNATE ROUTE
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Aug 18, 2014 - 04:53pm PT
Lots of air tankers and helicopters flying in CA this afternoon, especially in the Truckee, Oakhurst and Lake Isabella areas.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 18, 2014 - 05:27pm PT
Reports via Sierra News Online is that the Suburban Propane building in Oakhurst is on fire. They have 30,000 gallon propane tanks on site.
All businesses and residents on Hwy 41 between Hwy 49 and Sky Ranch Rd are under mandatory evacuation.

Jeebus: there are 4 30,000 gallon tanks and the perimeter for those is 4 miles. IC reporting they don't have enough water to set up a "water curtain".

And 300 acres...

mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 18, 2014 - 06:11pm PT
http://news.lalate.com/2014/08/18/junction-fire-map-2014-oakhurst-ca-wildfire-today-in-madera-spreads/

I was there with Gene this afternoon just as this one started.

I'll have pictures soon, I hope.

MFM
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 18, 2014 - 06:55pm PT
2:00 this afternoon, we left the Valero station on 41 to head to 49.  ...
2:00 this afternoon, we left the Valero station on 41 to head to 49. Here is what we saw just across 41 and a bit back over from the cemetery.
Credit: mouse from merced
After turning onto 49 we finally saw some people noticing the fire. <br/>
...
After turning onto 49 we finally saw some people noticing the fire.


Credit: mouse from merced
We pulled into the entrance to land owned by Hillview Water. There was a man named Richard there with the key to the gate, waiting for trucks from Ahwahnee.
I asked Richard if was he around for the fire in 1961 &#40;the Harlow ...
I asked Richard if was he around for the fire in 1961 (the Harlow fire) and he said that it was in 1960, as he was born in 1959.
Credit: mouse from merced
Richard told us *Gene and myself) that the water company's land abutted a parcel that had been used for years as a dumping spot, filled with rubbish and old tires, that it was used by "homeless dopers" and that ilk. He was expecting that one of them began the blaze. Another gent came up and corroborated that view, saying that they were a plague in Oakhurst in the summer, especially.

The trucks began streaming by (three of them) at around 2:08.
It was 94 degrees, little breeze, if any.  By this time others had gat...
It was 94 degrees, little breeze, if any. By this time others had gathered to gawk and we took our leave.
Credit: mouse from merced
On the way to Nip we saw one more pumper unit and three trucks with hand crews from Mt. Bullion. On the way down 140 into Merced County we saw a red CalFire truck heading uphill.

We looked at each other and shook our heads. This ought to have been controlled, as there is a tank of water sitting filled on the Hillview property.

As I look out the window here in Middle Earth, the sky is murky over the mountains.

This is the date the Rim fire began, if memory serves.

What was it Yogi Berra said?
this just in

climber
north fork
Aug 18, 2014 - 07:15pm PT
Wow just heard El Cid's, Doc's towing, and Suburban propane burnt down. I would imagine a lot of houses too. Big bummer for Oakhurst, my thoughts are with them.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 18, 2014 - 07:39pm PT

Credit: @lizziegonzalez
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 18, 2014 - 07:45pm PT
hey there say, khanom... so is much of oakhurst, in danger...

do you have a link, just for oakhurst?
thanks... thanks for, to all, for all these shares...
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Aug 18, 2014 - 07:57pm PT
TJI - where are you hearing about El Cids and such - I know the elites on ST disdain El Cid but I actually like their food - bummer if they got toasted.

Also - is this fire burning up from 49 to Sky Ranch and then back down through Cedar Valley - or did it jump the 41 to get over on that side?

The MadSheriffFaceybook site sucks for info and CalFire can't provide a map that's worth a crap.
this just in

climber
north fork
Aug 18, 2014 - 08:04pm PT
From a Cal fire friend and we know the owner of Docs towing. I guess sky ranch is evacuated and Bass Lake to the Forks. Cedar Valley will be next if not already.

It jumped where the pic above was taken. That goes straight up to Bass Lake, but you know that.
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Aug 18, 2014 - 08:16pm PT
Yeah - I'm thinking the same thing - once over into Cedar Valley this thing can run back down into town towards Fresno Flats as well as running out towards Bass Lake.

this just in

climber
north fork
Aug 18, 2014 - 08:30pm PT
Someone just posted a pic of El Cid on Facebook and it is still there. I like that place too, guess the rumors spread as fast as the fire. Hopefully Docs is still there.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 18, 2014 - 09:02pm PT
Report from Fresno's Ch. 30.

This just in:

http://www.yourcentralvalley.com/story/d/story/breaking-news-brush-fire-in-oakhurst-structures-th/17766/SU7LuS002kOs8-QAuIcjDQ
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 18, 2014 - 09:32pm PT
So no access to Yosemite from Hwy 41.

Fire is now 500+ acres per Cal Fire, but "air resources" put it at closer to 1200.

Scary:

Credit: ABC30
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 18, 2014 - 09:54pm PT
hey there say, all... thank you very much, again, for all the links...praying
for all the folks, and firefighters and families...


:(

edit:
thank you mouse, for the nice email, yes, very worried
about family...
god bless... so far, so good... but scary, still...

hope the firemen are safe...
:(
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 19, 2014 - 02:04am PT
hey there say, just saw this link, from karl:

http://goldrushcam.com/sierrasuntimes/index.php/news/local-news/374-junction-fire-in-oakhurst-california

this quote was in it:

Starting tomorrow CAL FIRE will have a landline set up in the Sheriff’s Command Center for the general public to call about fire information.
That number will be: 559-658-2560; ext. 115



AS OF 10:03 pm Pacific Time:
1200 acres have burned
No containment
Cause of Fire remains under investigation
8 structures have been damaged from the fire
500-plus homes are still threatened
600 Fire Fighters continue to battle the wildfire
Cal Fire is work with CAL OES for mutual aid to assist in defending structures
One Fire Fighter was injured and transported to an area hospital for evaluation.

hope this helps folks... wow, i wish i knew what was going on, for my
brother and his wife, :( (did try calling them, hours agao)...
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 19, 2014 - 07:28am PT
http://www.modbee.com/2014/08/18/3492910/brushfire-breaks-out-near-oakhurst.html

Credit: mouse from merced
2:08 p.m. yesterday. <br/>
2:08 p.m. yesterday.

Credit: mouse from merced
It's cooled down real nicely this morning.
It's 53 in Oakhurst and 0 wind.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Aug 19, 2014 - 08:54am PT
TRUCKEE, CA - US Forest Service officials say the Boca Fire has been fully contained. Fire crews drew water from the nearby Boca Reservoir to fight the fire and are keeping an eye out for any hot spots.

There is no word what may have caused the fire that broke out Monday afternoon west of Reno.

The fire burned about 70 acres in the area of Hirschdale near I-80. No structures were lost or threatened.

I-80 was open for normal traffic throughout the firefight. Numerous agencies worked the fire, including North Tahoe Fire, Cal Fire, US Forest Service, and Squaw Valley Fire.
chappy

Social climber
ventura
Aug 19, 2014 - 10:31am PT
Around 2:00pm I was working in my yard and heard helicopters and planes circling around near by. I thought it sounded like they were fighting a fire. As I couldn't see or smell smoke I wasn't too concerned. Around 4:00pm I decided to head up to Shut Eye (Chilkoot Lake area)for an evening boulder session. As I drove down the hill from our house I rounded a curve and the fire came into view. Holy shit! Huge plumes of smoke and flames burning along the ridge just west of town and Hwy 41. Not deterred I headed down to town and turned N on 41. Things were just starting to get really bad. As I passed Sweetwater Steak House I pulled over on the right (just before Standard Propane). Towering flames were fast approaching Hwy 41. I hung a u turn and headed back home. I knew they would close the road very soon and I needed to be there to coordinate an evacuation if necessary. I was somewhat comforted by the fact that the fire would have to jump the highway to threaten our house...but if it did so it would race up the hill straight to our home. I got home and packed the truck and the car and prepped the animal crates. An hour or so later I drove back to where I had first seen the fire and law enforcement and fire personel were driving up and down the road. I flagged them down and they told me the fire had jumped the highway and was right over the ridge to the north from our house and that we should get out.
Looking north from our driveway. The fire is just over the ridge. An e...
Looking north from our driveway. The fire is just over the ridge. An earlier photo looking past Todd's barbeque shows the fire racing up the hill towards our home.
Credit: chappy
They got a dozer up there pretty damn quick. I wasn't willing to leave just yet and decided to wait until I saw actual flames at the ridge top. A short time later I rode to the top of the ridge on my motor cycle to see how bad it was. From an evacuated home on top of the ridge I could see soaring lames a few hundred yards away and expected them to burn my way. They held off. Now dusk you could see glowing embers being carried aloft in huge plumes of smoke. I thought the worst if those embers landed on our side of the ridge. They need to get a crew up here fast! Just as I thought this I heard the rumbling of vehicles and a convoy of fire trucks arrived. I felt better and headed home ready to evacuate on a moments notice. As darkness descended I kept a weary eye out on the ridge for flames. Ashes fell like a very light snowfall illuminated by my headlamp. Gradually the smoke diminished and the stars showed bright. Good job fire crew! We made it.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 19, 2014 - 10:53am PT
hey there say, chappy... wow, as to this:

I knew they would close the road very soon and I needed to be there to coordinate an evacuation if necessary. I was somewhat comforted by the fact that the fire would have to jump the highway to threaten our house...but if it did so it would race up the hill straight to our home.

that's the part, that really got me scared, after i first called mom...
she shared the address, so i could find where you were, in regards to the fire and it was THEN that i feared that too...

did not know of this, wow, 'til just before you called her, so
wow, you were really on quard for a while... whewwww...


was so glad for the northern movement of it, when i realized it
was not moving straight over towards you...


hope the cats and wife, are doing well through this...

brave fight, and i was so worried all night, hoping for
good news...


whewwww....
:)


edit:
say, mark, also, childhood friend, diane, called and was concerned about
you and jaime, too... she will glad to hear this... whewwwwwww, again, and wow...
this just in

climber
north fork
Aug 19, 2014 - 10:56am PT
Good to hear Mark. So far all my friends have been lucky. One had everything burn around his house, but the house itself.
john hansen

climber
Aug 19, 2014 - 12:36pm PT
I have a friend that has land up there in Oakhurst. Does anyone have a link to a map that shows the areas burned? I tried the Cal fire site.
Is the fire only south of 41, or is it also between 41 and 49?
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2014 - 01:26pm PT
It's on both sides of 41, but primarily heading NE. I had a map this morning but can't find the link now... I'll keep looking.

Here we go (this would be from this morning's briefing):



Credit: Sierra News Online
john hansen

climber
Aug 19, 2014 - 01:59pm PT
Thanks!
Seamstress

Trad climber
Yacolt, WA
Aug 19, 2014 - 02:48pm PT
Since this is all purpose, this post refers to current and past fires in the NW. Climbed Adams last weekend. There was no view of Hood due to the smoke. The views of Rainier and St.Helens were painted with a brown sludge below the smog/smoke line with a little topping of white at the highest elevations.

Miles of burned trees at Mt. Adams, up beyond 6,000'
Miles of burned trees at Mt. Adams, up beyond 6,000'
Credit: Seamstress
The white summit of Rainier above the smoke
The white summit of Rainier above the smoke
Credit: Seamstress
Unfamiliar trailhead - no shade or dense forest anymore!
Unfamiliar trailhead - no shade or dense forest anymore!
Credit: Seamstress

The weather has been getting better. We expect to start a small demobilization of fire foreces perhaps this week. We had over 8,000 firefighters on the lines.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Aug 19, 2014 - 03:00pm PT
Thanks, Khanom! Our acquaintances who live in Oakhurst have reported some of the devastation, but since they were in Fresno when they told us, the report was necessarily incomplete. They seemed to think that some homeless drug addicts caused the fire. That may just be convenient scapegoating, but it wouldn't be the first time that sort of thing has happened around here. Very tragic, regardless of the cause.

John
John M

climber
Aug 19, 2014 - 03:05pm PT
sierra news online is saying that El Cids did not burn.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2014 - 03:56pm PT
Saw photos of El Cids... just fine.

Highway 41 is now open in both directions. Seems things around Oakhurst are much better, but the fire is moving toward Bass Lake.
scuffy b

climber
heading slowly NNW
Aug 19, 2014 - 04:05pm PT
So, I assume the big propane tanks didn't go up.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2014 - 05:27pm PT
Propane tanks did not blow.

Junction fire acreage updated to 600 because of better mapping. Now 30% contained!
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 20, 2014 - 04:19pm PT
Good, cheering footage from the Bee.

http://www.fresnobee.com/2014/08/19/4077225/junction-fire-new-crews-arrive.html
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 20, 2014 - 07:48pm PT
hey there say, folks...

my boston friend, just shared this...
has anyone seen news on this, in the 'above bakersfield's area'?

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/55893104#.U_VcFWPDWG0

WOFFORD HEIGHTS AREA:

are any of you all folks affected by this, or not...

hope you all are okay... it says that it is 0% contained,


HERE IS PART QUOTE, FROM LINK:

EVACUATIONS
Kern Valley High School is the recommended evacuation center. If you have large animals, officials recommend you take them with you, along with extra feed.
Advertise

Kern County Fire is advising people living along these roads to evacuate:

Rodgers road, north and south Frontier Trail, south and West Burlando Road, Whitney Road, Grove Park way, Silver Mine Drive, Frontier Road, Bristlecone Drive, Sycamore Drive.

Fire fighters also added Sierra Vista, Needham Drive, Loma Lane, Sargent Lane, Adams Road, and Mar Vista Drive.

All these roads are closed from Highway 155 in Wofford Heights.



hope this helps if you may need to call and
check on folks...

khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 20, 2014 - 08:51pm PT
neebee, that is the "Way" fire. The crews got a handle on it over night and today, and right now it's 3858 acres but 48% contained -- this is from wildlandfire.com. Inciweb shows it 3367 acres and 15% contained. But word is that all evacuation orders have been lifted. Nonetheless, it is rather close to Kernville!
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 20, 2014 - 10:39pm PT
hey there say, khanom... thanks! thank you so much for the info, there...

good to here from you... :)
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Aug 21, 2014 - 06:24am PT
Hey there, say - glad the El Cid is ok! If I remember correctly, the palmettos planted in front of the El Ced are the first/last palms on the way in/out to Yosemite from the south.

The first/last palms on the way in from Merced are about two minutes west of the base of the hill up to Mariposa on the north side, just before the little county park which is on the south side.

Hmmm, can't remember on the 120. Somewhere around Chinese Camp and the wood yard? I'll be driving past there in less than a month, so I'll be sure to look!

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 21, 2014 - 08:07am PT
Despite the drought and the high number of fires "The West has lost 2.5
million acres to fires this year, the second-lowest total in the last 13 years." - LA Times
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 21, 2014 - 08:14am PT
The real question is... those acres that were lost... will we ever find them again?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 21, 2014 - 08:23am PT
Good question. I doubt many of us will. Hopefully the next generation will,
if they ever get off their 'smart' phones.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Aug 21, 2014 - 08:34am PT
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA

Aug 21, 2014 - 08:07am PT
Despite the drought and the high number of fires "The West has lost 2.5
million acres to fires this year, the second-lowest total in the last 13 years." - LA Times

















Didnt someone far up thread mention this to be a likely scenario this year??
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 21, 2014 - 10:14am PT
"The first/last palms on the way in from Merced are about two minutes west of the base of the hill up to Mariposa on the north side,
just before the little county park which is on the south side."--PTPP

Very tall, very old California fan palms pinpointed by Pete.  Photo ta...
Very tall, very old California fan palms pinpointed by Pete. Photo taken at speed, but slowing for the Catheys Valley P.O. stop. CV County Park across the highway, pretty much.
Credit: mouse from merced

Bingo!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Aug 21, 2014 - 10:36am PT
Young Girl Accused of Starting San Diego Fire Fit for Trial

Updated: Wed 10:47 PM, Aug 20, 2014
By: AP Email
Home / Headlines List / Article
A judge has ruled that a 13-year-old girl is competent to stand trial on allegations she deliberately started a wildfire that destroyed three dozen homes north of San Diego in May.

SAN DIEGO (AP) - A judge has ruled that a 13-year-old girl is competent to stand trial on allegations she deliberately started a wildfire that destroyed three dozen homes north of San Diego in May.

U-T San Diego reports that the judge made the ruling in a brief hearing in juvenile court Wednesday.

Superior Court Judge Aaron Katz had ordered last month that the girl from San Marcos be psychologically evaluated to determine if she is fit to stand trial.

Prosecutors allege the girl intentionally started the Cocos Fire, which destroyed 36 homes and one business.

She pleaded not guilty Wednesday to three felony counts of arson and one misdemeanor count of unlawfully allowing a fire to escape from one's control.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2014 - 04:50pm PT
Rong, most are also saying it has more to do with pouring money on the problem.


Anyway, just saw two tankers fly over. There's a fire near Bass Lake. No info beyond that.
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Aug 26, 2014 - 05:12pm PT
Heard on the local news a few days back that Freddie Smoke III, the suspect arrested for the Bully Fire, has failed to show up for his arraignment on Aug. 22nd after being released on a $10,000 bail bond.
BTW, after his release he was charged with involuntary manslaughter, bail set at 1 million, when an adult male was found dead in the burned area.

Betcha he's drinking tequila and smoking pot in Mexico right now.

More Info here;

http://www.krcrtv.com/man-charged-with-death-in-bully-fire-fails-to-appear-in-court/27691082
doughnutnational

Gym climber
its nice here in the spring
Aug 26, 2014 - 05:35pm PT
http://basslakeca.com/camera1.html

The new Bass Lake fire can be seen here.
John M

climber
Aug 26, 2014 - 05:37pm PT
I think that its called the pine fire.

http://hotlist.wildlandfire.com/threads/42685-CA-SNF-Pine
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 27, 2014 - 10:10am PT
Yup, Pine Fire. Now 100% contained at 10 acres.
looks easy from here

climber
Ben Lomond, CA
Aug 27, 2014 - 10:47am PT
The USFS French Fire page hasn't been updated since the 16th. Does anyone know the status of the road closures around Shuteye?
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 27, 2014 - 08:29pm PT
Best bet is to call the USFS.

All depends on how much salvage logging needs to be done on your land. I mean for your own safety of course.
John M

climber
Aug 27, 2014 - 08:37pm PT
I don't know which roads you need, but the Sierra National forest page has an alert for what is closed.

It was updated the 22nd..

http://www.fs.usda.gov/alerts/sierra/alerts-notices/?aid=24683

http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprd3814193.pdf

the above is from this page under alerts and warnings on the right.

http://www.fs.usda.gov/sierra/
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Aug 28, 2014 - 07:35am PT
Didnt someone far up thread mention this to be a likely scenario this year??

Yes he did but may I suggest waiting until at least the end of September before crowing too much about it? Lest thee jinx us all!

DMT
WBraun

climber
Aug 28, 2014 - 07:54am PT
What's left to burn anyways.

After so many wildfires this and last year there's nothing left to burn.

Rolls eye's and famous last words ........ :-)
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Aug 28, 2014 - 09:33am PT
DOUGLAS COUNTY, NV - The Kingsbury Fire that started Wednesday afternoon is 80% contained as of Thursday morning. It has burned about 1.5 acres.

Wednesday afternoon, the fire quickly spread in dry brush and timber south of 1000 Kingsbury Grade on a mountainside. With hard-to-access terrain, the firefight was mostly from the air.

Kingsbury Grade was closed from Highway 206 to Tramway Wednesday afternoon, but is now open.







Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 28, 2014 - 09:40am PT
1.5 acres? I've seen campfires bigger than that!
looks easy from here

climber
Ben Lomond, CA
Aug 28, 2014 - 11:46am PT
Thanks for the links John M.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2014 - 05:05pm PT
There's a 70+ acre fire near Casa De Fruta east of Gilroy. When I lived in Santa Cruz I'd occasionally take Hwy 152 to 140 to get to the valley. Be aware that 152 is closed 8 miles east of 156 because of the fire.

Edit: per wildlandfire.com fire is on both sides of 152. Cause is a solo vee-hickle accident.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Aug 28, 2014 - 05:06pm PT
Red Top!!!

DMT
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 4, 2014 - 02:05pm PT
There's a fire at 120 & Jacksonville road just west of Moccasin, below Priest Grade.

Reports are that it's 60+ acres and spreading quickly, with spotting on the south side of 120.

Just a heads up in case you are heading to the valley... it's possible they will close 120.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Sep 4, 2014 - 06:07pm PT
Jackson fire 'update'^^^^

September 04, 2014 02:16 pm
A wildfire burning near Highway 120 and Jacksonville Road has grown to more than 60 acres.

The Jackson Fire was reported at 11:50 a.m. and has burned mostly grasslands near Lake Don Pedro’s Moccasin Marina.

An air-attack, several engines and five strike-teams are battling the blaze.
The fire was 15 percent contained as of 3:15 p.m.

http://www.uniondemocrat.com/

ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
extraordinaire
Sep 4, 2014 - 09:53pm PT
There was a fire above Sherwin lakes today.
I took some pics.
Credit: ß Î Ø T Ç H
Credit: ß Î Ø T Ç H
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 5, 2014 - 09:32am PT
That Skycrane is awesome to watch.
6 years ago there was a fire in Castle Rock State Park, just across the next ridge from me. Due to overgrown vegetation they couldn't get engines near it until they cleared the fire road with 'dozers 24 hours later.
Meanwhile I went to my neighbor's place where he has a view down over Stephens Creek reservoir, 2000 feet below.
Watching that giant insect suck up 2750 gals of water in less than a minute then climb up the mountain we saw the pilots literally face to face as they rose just above the trees.
7 minutes round trip from reservoir to fire to reservoir. They and the CalFire Huey from Alma held the fire until hand crews could hike through the forest to get to it.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 5, 2014 - 09:33am PT
As of 08:30 Jackson fire is 70% contained
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 5, 2014 - 01:14pm PT
Two tankers just flew overhead. Seems there's a start near Bootjack / Hwy 49 south of Triangle Rd.

Edit: It's serious. 50 acres and going fast.
BooDawg

Social climber
Butterfly Town
Sep 5, 2014 - 02:22pm PT
From CalTrans site: State Hwy 49 IS CLOSED 13 MI SOUTH OF THE JCT OF SR 140 /AT CHOWCHILLA RD/ (MARIPOSA CO) DUE TO A WILDFIRE - MOTORISTS ARE ADVISED TO USE AN ALTERNATE ROUTE

Smoke plume looks bad from near Mariposa.

From Cal Fire:

Bridge Fire Incident Information:
Last Updated: September 5, 2014 2:20 pm
Date/Time Started: September 5, 2014 12:42 pm
Administrative Unit: CAL FIRE Madera-Mariposa-Merced Unit / Mariposa County Fire
County: Mariposa County
Location: Highway 49 at Harris Road, 10 miles east of Mariposa
Evacuations:
Evacuations are in place for homes on Harris Cutoff Road and all of the Ponderosa Basin Area.

For more evacuation information visit the Mariposa County Sheriff's Office Nixle


Road Closures : On highway 49 between Worman Road and Chowchilla Mountain Road
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 5, 2014 - 03:12pm PT
http://cdfdata.fire.ca.gov/incidents/incidents_details_info?incident_id=1050

Bridge Fire

Strike teams are being called out from San Mateo, Santa Cruz and Santa Clara counties.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 5, 2014 - 06:47pm PT
Hwy 49 has been re-opened. The Bridge fire is now 150-175 acres. 300 homes are "immediately" threatened.

There is also another new fire near Oakhurst close to the containment lines of the Junction Fire a few weeks ago -- the John fire, at this point about 5 acres. No aircraft available because of commitment to the Bridge fire.

Hoping for the best for all living near these fires!


Edit: BTW, the Jacksonville Rd fire is 68 acres and 65% contained. Doesn't look like it's going anywhere. I was at the top of Priest Grade a couple of hours ago and didn't see a column... just tons of smoke.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 6, 2014 - 07:25am PT
Bridge Fire now at 300 acres
25% contained
700 structures threatened

Hwy 49 has one way traffic south of the 140 junction due to the fire.
Otherwise roads are open
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Sep 6, 2014 - 08:00am PT
I have to ask why there hasnt been a peep, nary a word, about the largest fire of the season burning around Happy camp and the Klammath..?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 6, 2014 - 09:50am PT
Biotch...The Sherwin Lake fire must have been a campfire...Hasn't been any lightning recently...There was a similar fire about 6 years ago in the same area that was threatening the town and was also started by some campers...
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 6, 2014 - 10:14am PT
Rong, probably the same reason you get all worked up over any 1 acre fire in your neck of the woods.

I favor mentioning incidents that affect climbing areas or access to them, or are near where people on here live. I know, it's shocking. I really should be keeping a constantly-updated list of every fire anywhere in the US. Maybe the world... that would only be fair, right?


Here is the latest incident map of the Bridge fire, which is now 300 acres & 25% contained:


(Mariposa County Sheriff, via http://yubanet.com
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Sep 6, 2014 - 11:22am PT
I have to ask why there hasnt been a peep, nary a word, about the largest fire of the season burning around Happy camp and the Klammath..?

Peep,
The school I taught at in HC had to postpone opening the school because of unhealthy air quality, they now have air purifiers in place but the kids are only allowed outside on good days.
When we get north winds the smoke from that one blows into the Redding area, cough, cough.
Thanks fire crews, stay safe.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Sep 6, 2014 - 11:26am PT
Tad, according to KH, there are no people living there. ANd theres no climbing so it doesnt matter.

And here i thought Central Fornians were all caring and shyt LMAO!


The OP should thank the gods fire crews dont share his philosophy, because his property would likely be ash by now..


They should re title this thread- fires near Yos valley..No where else matters. ;-)




ps, KH,, i certainly dont get "worked up" over 1 acre fires. Burning man was bigger.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 6, 2014 - 11:39am PT
Rong, have you always been a whiner or did that come later in life?


If someone...anyone... wants to discuss a particular fire, they post up or create a new thread. No one person has the time or is interested in distant fires, hence the "all-purpose" intent of the thread. Is that too complicated for you?
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Sep 6, 2014 - 11:52am PT

No one person has the time or is interested in distant fires

For those that do care about "distant" fires here's the latest;

Happy Camp Complex

Basic Information


Current as of
Saturday, September 6, 2014 6:33:00 AM

Incident Type
Wildfire

Cause
Lightning

Date of Origin
Tuesday August 12th, 2014 approx. 01:00 AM

Location
Happy Camp, CA

Incident Commander
Jeanne Pincha-Tulley(CIIMT3) Jerry McGowan (CIIMT1)

Incident Description
Wildfire

Current Situation


Total Personnel
2,952

Size
88,546 Acres

Percent of Perimeter Contained
25%

Fuels Involved

Timber (litter and understory), grass, brush and heavy downed material. Dense stands of mixed conifer are the dominant fuel source.


Significant Events

Zone 1: On the east flank of the fire, along Highway 96, hand ignition was implemented to strengthen the containment line as the fire backed towards the road. Aerial ignition was used along the ridgelines north of Scott Bar Ponds in conjunction with the Highway 96 hand ignitions. Suppression repair began on the west flank of the fire utilizing mechanical equipment; back haul of mop-up equipment continues

Zone 2: Fire jumped the containment lines on the south end of the fire that is established in Snowshoe drainage. On the east side of the fire in Division K, the fire is moving Easterly and is burning in Muck-A-Muck drainage.

A Public meeting took place in Fort Jones at the City Hall/Community Center last evening at 6 pm.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Sep 6, 2014 - 12:29pm PT
Rong, have you always been a whiner or did that come later in life?


If someone...anyone... wants to discuss a particular fire, they post up or create a new thread. No one person has the time or is interested in distant fires, hence the "all-purpose" intent of the thread. Is that too complicated for you?









ALL i did was mention i was surprised not one mention of the biggest burn of the year in your very state. Then,,, you blast me. You turned my comment into some sort of attack angle- and that is YOUR issue.


Frankly KHanom,, FUQ.. I not only fought fire in Happy Camp but your sorry ass area as well. Why the fekk i cared or went, is beyond me, by using your parameters-- douche-nozzle.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 6, 2014 - 05:12pm PT
Waaahhhh....



But back to the real world... looks like the Bridge fire is well in hand. Hwy 49 is fully open.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 6, 2014 - 07:25pm PT
hey there say, all... oh my, i been so busy, i did not see the latest fires near groveland again, :O



also, OH no, OAKHURST again, :(


prayers for all concerned... oh my, :(
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Sep 6, 2014 - 08:47pm PT
Wong & T Sucking,

Would you two bitches take you're crap someplace else? This is a great thread that provides good usefull information for people. Instead you two shitheads have to chime in and prove that neither of you need dic holes in your underwear.

STOP IT. GROW THE F*#K UP!

T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Sep 6, 2014 - 08:58pm PT
And how did I offend you or anyone else on this thread?
I simply posted fire info on an event that effects those of us in the north state, which KHanom welcomed.
What of value have you contributed here?
And who made you the thread tool anyway?

someone needs to;
Take 2 and feel better soon
Take 2 and feel better soon
Credit: T Hocking

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Sep 6, 2014 - 09:01pm PT
WTF?? Sounds like someone is out of meth er sumpn Tad LMAO!! The idget above must be related to the OP,, HOW DARE WE MENTION NORTH CAL!!!


So ill say,,,,


































WHAT THE F*#K IS THE MATTER WITH THEM!
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Sep 6, 2014 - 09:05pm PT
Exactly the response I expected from two children.
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Sep 6, 2014 - 09:16pm PT
Please answer my question rlf,
And how did I offend you or anyone else on this thread?

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Sep 6, 2014 - 09:21pm PT
R-ELF,,,,another respone for you..




Credit: Ron Anderson



JOEY.F

Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
Sep 6, 2014 - 09:26pm PT
@Khanom,
No good deed goes unpunished, eh?
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Sep 6, 2014 - 09:47pm PT
Crickets......................

rlf;
Still awaiting an intelligent response...................


OK then,
peace out,
Tad


WBraun

climber
Sep 7, 2014 - 01:36pm PT
Behind Half Dome right now!!!!

High winds and the fire is raging/

Look on the web cams .....

Little Yosemite Valley closed and is being evacuated ....
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Sep 7, 2014 - 01:40pm PT
Werner ain't foolin. The place be a burnin.
Werner ain't foolin. The place be a burnin.
Credit: Ricky D
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Sep 7, 2014 - 01:42pm PT
yikes, when did it start?
lightning or human caused?

john hansen

climber
Sep 7, 2014 - 01:45pm PT
http://www.nps.gov/common/commonspot/customcf/webcam/dsp_webcam_image.cfm?webCam=56868082F6D1C06F55CB388B8E18AE6B4380E77594A383B798BC1797B0138C06C5FEDC9998968850CD9B00048E90929ED514B34350&refreshRate=300&title=76939894ECBA807259&width=1024&height=759&altText=689B9185EC91893F7DDB2A868517B87A06BFAC779FA1DB&description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
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 7, 2014 - 02:32pm PT
WTF?

(edit to remove kind of redundant, slow-loading image)

Wildlandfire forum puts this at over 400 acres, dangerous rate of spread.


Edit2:
View from Half Dome Saddle

Via Twitter Credit Marjorie Freedman
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 7, 2014 - 03:44pm PT
hey there say, khanom... oh no...

and werner...


say, i don't know my bearings...
as to much of yosemite, etc...

where is the areas that this is moving into ...
and what possible areas, around it, are in danger, please... ?
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 7, 2014 - 03:54pm PT
Neebee, it's quite far from any populated area, so no threat to people or homes except the hikers on Half Dome. But it does affect access to Half Dome.

From the Turtleback Cam:




Werner, do you know if this is part of the lightning-caused Meadow fire that's been going slowly since August? Or a separate incident?


Edit: NM, got the answer. Today's fire is a spot fire from the Meadow fire that started Aug 16.
WBraun

climber
Sep 7, 2014 - 04:09pm PT
khanom

You have it correct.

Late this morning the winds were really howling in the work maintenance yard here and then suddenly I look up and see the smoke rising from behind half dome.

The fire jumped its contained area from the fanning by the winds and took off.

It looks way more radical in real time here.

They are trying to get a whole lot of people off half dome now as we speak.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 7, 2014 - 04:12pm PT
hey there say, khanom ... and werner...

thanks so very much, for the info...
thank you, both! :)
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Sep 7, 2014 - 04:14pm PT
Cancel yur cloudsrest hiking plans.. Start the back fires from Tenya creek..;-)
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Sep 7, 2014 - 04:19pm PT
Hope they are herding the tourist-hikers at Sunrise High Sierra Camp
out of the death zone? Looks like they are dead center on
the fire track. With spotting it may already be there.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 7, 2014 - 04:48pm PT
I believe the High Sierra camps are shut down already?

Anyway, the MODIS data has hot spots scary close to LYV.


mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Sep 7, 2014 - 05:03pm PT
Looking right out of my window just now.
Looking right out of my window just now.
Credit: mouse from merced

And another photo from the 4th of august, of the Hunter Fire.  Also ta...
And another photo from the 4th of august, of the Hunter Fire. Also taken from my window, a bit ferther left (west) of where the first shot is aimed. It was taken at around this time, also.
Credit: mouse from merced
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 7, 2014 - 05:10pm PT
Wow, they are evacuating people off of Half Dome via Helicopter. There's about 70 hikers up there.

That's insane.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 7, 2014 - 06:16pm PT
Two tankers just flew directly over the house... about 30 seconds apart... very very low. Maybe we'll get lucky and catch one on the webcam?


I can't imagine what it's like trying to herd the tourists out of there.
JOEY.F

Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
Sep 7, 2014 - 06:28pm PT
Hope all the hikers wind up ok.
There's something eerily beautiful in that pic from that Turtleback capture.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 7, 2014 - 06:43pm PT
Boy are they hitting this hard. 4 more tankers in-bound in rapid succession. Don't know why they fly exactly over us...
bob

climber
Sep 7, 2014 - 06:50pm PT
I just rode my bike around Sherlock Rd. and saw a new fire burning above the Burma grade across the Merced. Not sure what is up with that.

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rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Sep 7, 2014 - 07:36pm PT
You guys up north are really getting hit hard this summer. So far nothing major here in socal. I'm just waiting for something spark up in the San Bernardino Mtns or elsewhere. With all the Bark Beatles killing off the trees, it's only a mater of time.

Best of luck to you folks.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 7, 2014 - 07:42pm PT
bob, yeah, I heard there was one down that way. Spotted by aircraft returning from the Bridge or Meadow fires...


So now that makes 9 tankers...
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 7, 2014 - 07:46pm PT
hey there say, all... wow, let's just hope and pray that folks 'don't get in a hurry' as, that is when accidents happen...

sounds like a hard precarious situation, getting SEVENTY, let alone a handful... oh my...

like:
how many trips would that be?
whewwww... and then, wind situations? how is that at the moment,
one wonders...

prayers for all concerned...
BooDawg

Social climber
Butterfly Town
Sep 7, 2014 - 08:26pm PT
About 11:30 a.m. today, my tour arrived at Glacier Point where we could feel a strong southerly wind blowing and see that the smoke from the Meadow Fire had increased substantially from 2 days previously. At various times with binoculars, we could see flames reaching up from behind the hill in the foreground.

Meadow Fire from Glacier Pt.
Meadow Fire from Glacier Pt.
Credit: BooDawg

By noon, the fire and smoke had increased substantially.

Meadow Fire from Glacier Pt.
Meadow Fire from Glacier Pt.
Credit: BooDawg

We left Glacier Point then and arrived at Tunnel View at 1:30 p.m. where we saw this dramatic change in the scene!

Meadow Fire from Tunnel View.
Meadow Fire from Tunnel View.
Credit: BooDawg

By the time we reached Ahwahnee Meadow which was being used for a base for helicopter operations, it was 3:20 p.m.

Helicopter operations at Ahwahnee Meadow.
Helicopter operations at Ahwahnee Meadow.
Credit: BooDawg

Leaving the Valley, the scene at Valley View looked like this at 3:30 p.m.

Meadow Fire smoke & clouds from Valley View.
Meadow Fire smoke & clouds from Valley View.
Credit: BooDawg
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 8, 2014 - 09:01am PT
Nice pics BooDawg.


It rained a little here last night and I'm hearing thunder at maybe 10-20 miles away. Typically this only happens at about our elevation (3,500) and higher, more along the 120 corridor. Areas south of us tend not to get it.

The new fire in Stanislaus is CA-STF-Montgomery. It's actually quite far from the Burma Grade in an area known as Texas Hill -- it's part of the larger Greeley Hill area where I live. Not much detail yet, but it's estimated at about 100 acres. There are still containment lines from the Rim Fire and to the east recent El Portal fire, which will help. I mention the weather because I doubt they got any rain down that way.

As for the Meadow fire, current estimate is 2,600 acres but now word on containment. They will definitely have got some more lightning but I don't think this system brought much precip.

Edit: Current Meadow Fire perimeter via NPS Fire Info

Credit: NPS
Credit: NPS
Credit: khanom
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 8, 2014 - 11:08am PT
Some interesting technical news for wildfire satellite imaging.
Much more "real time" detail will become available soon.
http://www.digitalglobeblog.com/2014/09/03/revealing-the-hidden-world-with-shortwave-infrared-swir-imagery/
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Sep 8, 2014 - 11:28am PT
Thanks for that link, HT. Very inventive use of technology. Now if we could only look through the mountain instead of having to climb it...
bergbryce

climber
East Bay, CA
Sep 8, 2014 - 11:32am PT
Does anyone else find the repeated occurrence of the fires in the YNP region suspicious? The entire state is a tinderbox but this area keeps seeing active fires (I realize the fire that kicked up this weekend was an old fire). WTF??

Is it because the sheer volume of (clueless) visitors in the region?

Weather patterns favorable to this region for lightning strikes, etc?

Proactive fire suppression in the region in the past? What?

khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 9, 2014 - 09:53am PT
So the Meadow fire has been re-mapped to 4400 acres, 5% contained. Meanwhile the Bridge fire 10 miles east of Mariposa is still 300 acres and 85% contained.

To make Ron happy, Happy Camp is 99,200 acres and 30% contained with increased fire activity seen in the last couple of days. 2,637 personnel and a cost of over $60 million.

bergbryce: there's nothing suspicious about it really. I haven't looked at the data but it's probably not much more than in years past. Many of these have been human-caused, but we always get lots of summer thunderstorms which are often dry at lower elevations. And yes, poor fire management over many decades. An drought. All of the things you mentioned, if you ask me.
Larry

Trad climber
Bisbee
Sep 9, 2014 - 10:15am PT
This does not seem real. <br/>
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&#40;Not my photo, obviously.&#41;
This does not seem real.

(Not my photo, obviously.)
Credit: Larry
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 10, 2014 - 10:48am PT
Bonny Doon CDCR inmate camp has been short 2 crews who were sent to the Meadows fire.
So CalFire brought down 2 crews from Trinity River inmate camp (just south of the Trinity Wilderness) to fill in on our Skyline Blvd shaded fuel break projects.
They were like kids on holiday. Almost dancing and singing as they worked. First time with no fire licking at their feet in several weeks.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Sep 10, 2014 - 11:00am PT
Thanks for the Happy Camp inclusion KHanom.
neebee