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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jun 25, 2014 - 08:36am PT
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DMT wrote: Yes I've climbed Serenity Crack and others like it.
Funny...I think that when way over most heads on this thread.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Jun 25, 2014 - 08:47am PT
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Not sure why Ron wants to start a fight over this...
Some people are uncomfortable in their own skin so they talk trash about others to make themselves feel worthy. Makes them feel better about being a never-been wimpy little c*nt lice. Wondering why aren’t there crowds on B-Y while never having sackage to get on it yourself. Unfkinbelievable.
Some folks love to roll out this and that climber can crush old school and they're right, but for every one of them there are now millions of folks who couldn't get up your average Eldo 5.10 with just a set of nuts and hexs.
Oooooh hexes, didn’t see this one coming! These gumbies today don’t use hexes! What a bunch of incompetent tw@ts! What’s next? Are you gonna be proud you guys did not drive cars with seat belts installed, cuz as we know that is also super bad ass!?
It is cool some people did some hardcore ascents on protection that is not used as often in today’s world, but what is the point to constantly throw tomatoes at generation of today’s climbers? Things have changed. Gyms opened up opportunities for ALL KINDS of people to get into it. For better or worse, this is what it is, and it is only gonna get more popular. It is much healthier to be happy about things you have done and be happy for other people getting out and challenging themselves. We all play by different rules and that should be ok.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Jun 25, 2014 - 08:55am PT
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So why didn't you ever get on Tapestry or B-Y? Was it lack of skills, sackage or all of the above? :)
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Jun 25, 2014 - 09:02am PT
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Some people are uncomfortable in their own skin so they talk trash about others to make themselves feel worthy.
Hey numb nuts. You're like a monkey trying to f#ck a football. Without a topo you'd have to rescued off routes every time you leave the road, couldn't find your ass with both hands, let alone the route.
You ruin your shorts from your bung hole clenching them, once the last pro is below your waist. I should put you back on the boat and send your sorry little ass back to mama.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jun 25, 2014 - 09:37am PT
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Ahh yes, the SuperTaco we know and love!
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Jun 25, 2014 - 09:41am PT
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Hey numb nuts. You're like a monkey trying to f#ck a football. Without a topo you'd have to rescued off routes every time you leave the road, couldn't find your ass with both hands, let alone the route.
Speak to people like you would if you actually were facing them in real life, clinker. You would piss your panties bi#ch-boy.
I never did the BY for the very same reason you havent. ;-)
I still have a whole life ahead ;)
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Jun 25, 2014 - 09:47am PT
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Why you little piss ant. It will take all of YOSAR to pry my boot out of where the sun don't shine. If you want some of this, come and get it.
Speak to people like you would if you actually were facing them in real life, clinker. You would piss your panties bi#ch-boy.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Jun 25, 2014 - 09:50am PT
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PM sent bi#ch boy! Bring your daughter along so she could blow me as well.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jun 25, 2014 - 09:54am PT
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Is it too early for popcorn?
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Jun 25, 2014 - 09:55am PT
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Hey, I did make a trip report. I tripped over a fire pit at the campground.
In real life I would do something cheesy, like have Vitally autograph my chalk bag, next to Honnolds sig.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Jun 25, 2014 - 09:59am PT
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PM sent bi#ch boy! Bring your daughter along so she could blow me as well.
You have really crossed the line now. You talk big for having a miniscule tallywacker. My daughter better bring her binoculars.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Jun 25, 2014 - 10:04am PT
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Do something about it c*#ks@cker.
We will have a lot of fun! YOSAR will be taking your boot out of my ass!
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Jun 25, 2014 - 10:23am PT
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So why didn't you ever get on Tapestry or B-Y?
Vitally was going to try and put up a FA like these. Didn't get far, so right now his route is referred to as the "Back-off and Urinate Yourself" or
the B-U-Y. I think he has peaked, his next TR will be about shopping.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Jun 25, 2014 - 10:29am PT
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Clinker your words are empty, just like your 'sack.' Talk big but would never have enough bravery to confront me in real life. Just a bunch of internet tough guy babble. Please carry on...
Tell me more about how scared I am while climbing 5.6 and how I can't find a route without a topo. It is incredibly original and funny.
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Jun 25, 2014 - 10:34am PT
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Just read the last page, this is a perfect example of ethical debates.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Jun 25, 2014 - 10:51am PT
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Ed's question is really a question of ethics, which in various philosophical, theological and sociological camps has remained a hot topic for centuries. What we would like are some moral imperatives, a "proven" protocol or set of inviloate guidelines that work across the board. AKA, "rule consequentialism."
What we need up with are some general principals and in an ever shifting world, we try to navigate according to some principals, but end up winging it half of the time, advised by conscience. There are too many variables for a single beta, but a million approaches we can argue over, and do.
JL
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Jun 25, 2014 - 11:20am PT
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Largo, you wrote a really cool piece in an older Climbing magazine that I liked. If I find it, I will post a paragraph out of it...very appropriate for this debate. I think it was in the same magazine with a big article about Bridwell. Very interesting stuff.
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overwatch
climber
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Jun 25, 2014 - 11:32am PT
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no offense Mr M I'm sure you'll be after me next but you seem to be the one always jumping on the internet tough guy act... anyone who disagrees with you as a matter of fact
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jun 25, 2014 - 11:34am PT
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Largo,
Several of us tried to differentiate between style and ethics. To me, ethics concerns our behavior that affects others, whereas style concerns behavior that affects us only individually.
My ethical guideline is optimal impact -- usually as little as possible -- from ascents (first or otherwise). That has, of necessity, changed over time. The advent of sport climbing, permanent rappel and belay anchors, etc., certainly increases impact, but may also be necessary for the rock to accommodate the increased population of climbers.
My stylistic guideline is optimal challenge. This usually requires some sort of balancing between safety, risk and difficulty.
John
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Jun 25, 2014 - 12:06pm PT
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overwatch, I do not say things differently than I would to people in a face to face conversation. What I said to Ron for example is an obvious observation. He talks down a whole generation of climbers for not getting on the B-Y, but does not have own stripes to back up his babble. Talks down all the people on Everest, I can probably count 13ers he has done on one hand. I did not say anything I wouldn’t in a face to face conversation. I am not a troll, I show my face here and I am not hard to find. If someone wants to try and put a “boot in my a*#,” please avoid the empty words and PM me instead. As long as you are not bringing weapons to a fist fight I am up for a good ol rukus. :)
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