Supertopo: A distinct Lack of Class

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Avery

climber
NZ
Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 4, 2014 - 12:22am PT
Supertopo is great site, but it's in grave danger of becoming irrelevant. Sure, plenty of folks are posting, but climbing is becoming a very distant second to mindless babble.
Worst still are the sometimes savagely abusive messages being posted, which I know for a fact are turning some folks away from the site.
Fair enough, we all like to engage in a bit of tit for tat banter. I've both received and given the odd acid remark. But there is a big difference between light weight banter and obscene abuse.
I myself am preparing for some flak after proclaiming I would not initiate another thread.
I unconditionally surrender. At this very moment I'm standing beside my computer holding both my arms high in the air.
This issue, however, is too important to pass without comment.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jun 4, 2014 - 12:25am PT
Didn't you leave?

Or was that some other Kiwi?

Whatever. Nice to have you here, regardless.
Avery

climber
NZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 4, 2014 - 12:41am PT
The whole point of supertopo, QITNL, IS talk about climbing.
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Jun 4, 2014 - 12:41am PT
Haven't been around a campfire with crappy wine arguing the state of the world recently have ya?

We are more than just climbers...

... we are doctors, lawyers, carpenters, professors, engineers, programmers, addicts, teachers, business freaks, tree trimmers, etc.

Live here in the USA, be in possession of a brain, and not feel compelled to ask questions and rave about the larger world.

Should we send Chief to your islands?
fluffy

Trad climber
Colorado
Jun 4, 2014 - 12:47am PT
This issue, however, is too important to pass without comment.

Yeah ok whatever save supertopo good luck man you are the Chosen One we have been waiting for lol

Good thing you didn't follow through on your declaration to quit the forum!

You came back...to save us! zomg!!1
Avery

climber
NZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 4, 2014 - 12:48am PT
"Haven't been around a campfire with crappy wine arguing the state of the world recently have ya?"

Interesting comments Todd and I will certainly take them on board.

Perhaps some crappy wine really is all it takes to lead a full and happy life

But I know of specific cases where people on this site have been obscenely abused and have taken it very much to heart.

I'm sorry if this upsets you.
Avery

climber
NZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 4, 2014 - 12:50am PT
Thanks fluffy, while i take time out to adjust my halo.
Avery

climber
NZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 4, 2014 - 12:59am PT
It started off as climbing but has been allowed to descend into the realm of self.
Avery

climber
NZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 4, 2014 - 01:17am PT
With respect, Randisi, I disagree. It's a mighty big world out there and there are climbers crawling all over it. Each and everyone of them have will something unique or special they may want to share.
Avery

climber
NZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 4, 2014 - 01:37am PT
Thanks QITNL, I'll go out on a limb and take that as a compliment.
Reeotch

climber
4 Corners Area
Jun 4, 2014 - 04:48am PT
ST has been on the fast track to hell for some time now. Ever since I've been posting here (7 years or so).

When is it ever going to hit bottom? Could it possibly suck even more than it already does? LOL!

It is simply a matter of what you choose to pay attention to.

I do a lot more face palms these days, and a lot less reactionary posts.

It is just entertainment . . .
Avery

climber
NZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 4, 2014 - 05:07am PT
It seems that one persons entertainment, Reeotch, can be another persons abuse.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jun 4, 2014 - 05:36am PT
At least we are "distinct."

We are not yet "extinct," Moa-boy.

jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Jun 4, 2014 - 05:54am PT
Isnt this an old thread? Why does todays date show on every post? Dejavu?
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jun 4, 2014 - 05:56am PT
Same as it ever was.......however Avery has a good point, people, ESPECIALLY some people who call themselves "progressives", have been very f*#king nasty to others on ST lately. If that's progress, I want nutin' to do with it. Maybe it's something in the water?
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Jun 4, 2014 - 06:09am PT
The whole point of supertopo, QITNL, IS talk about climbing.

Avery,

The whole point is...climbers are talking.

That we all climb makes us family. Awful as that is at times, it is to many of us the most wonderful part. Don't under estimate belonging.

And yes, a lot of us could use more class.
anita514

Gym climber
Great White North
Jun 4, 2014 - 06:14am PT
sounds like Avery needs some cheeze with his whine
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jun 4, 2014 - 06:19am PT
Couch, yer right in the thick of it swinging for the fences most of the time too. Give us a break.

What's the opposite of progressive? Here's a hint, it's not conservative.



Thanks Avery. Stick around.
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Jun 4, 2014 - 06:28am PT
cool pic
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jun 4, 2014 - 06:28am PT
Avery..You could start your own climbing web. site...?
mooser

Trad climber
seattle
Jun 4, 2014 - 06:48am PT
I agree with your sentiment, Avery. At the same time, I think the best way to deal with abusive posters is to starve them of oxygen. They crop up in virtually every thread on every subject, and only gain impact when they're responded to. I think it's best to let their comments twist in the wind, and sound puerile in their isolation.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jun 4, 2014 - 06:56am PT
Johnny j-werd says BULLWHACK...eeyi , eeeeyi...
Flip Flop

Trad climber
Truckee, CA
Jun 4, 2014 - 07:20am PT
Avery, brave effort, I noticed that your post came in after midnight over here so you're bound to get some drunken loners spewing in the night. Sad.
I get pretty peeved at willfull ignorance and I'm still mad about the Dark Ages, so I've gone down the ugly path of arguing without class. I think that Moose has the right idea. I haven't been here in the StupidTipi long but I am trying to be better. We can do better.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jun 4, 2014 - 07:29am PT
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1954729&tn=4400

Cheers, mate!
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Jun 4, 2014 - 07:34am PT
stfu
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Jun 4, 2014 - 07:40am PT
locker....all dabbed up and nodding off on the f*#king space bar.
quality content.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jun 4, 2014 - 07:42am PT
It's an open forum on the internet, anyone can post.....but it still is climber oriented, separate the wheat from the chaff.....choice nuggets can still be found.
Chewybacca

Trad climber
Montana, Whitefish
Jun 4, 2014 - 07:50am PT
We gotz lots of class-


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mooser

Trad climber
seattle
Jun 4, 2014 - 07:50am PT
But sometimes you just can't help it.

Sometimes you just have to tell The Chief he's an idiot.

Actually, you don't. Part of being a grown-up is learning how to take the chance that someone might perceive that your non-response means you agree, or got whooped in a debate.
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Jun 4, 2014 - 07:51am PT
Avery, I shall explain once again: This forum is not necessarily about climbing, it's about climbers and what they think about everything under the sun.

While some of the great bits of American climbing history are deep in this stream of drivel making it the most authoritative site in the world, it is the drivel coming from the fingers of some great American climbers.

You can post up great sensible factual info. There it is. Nothing to discuss. It bobs up with a few complements and sinks like a stone.

You can blurt out a thread that you think US President Obama is Muslim Antichrist and you know this for a fact because aliens are broadcasting this into your brain and your post will float for weeks, reappearing for long periods months later. People have something to say about this, and usually it's not kind. AND it will come from many real good American climbers (though many are has-beens).


Supertopo is doomed to persist.

Class is a matter of viewpoint.
BuddhaStalin

climber
Truckee, CA
Jun 4, 2014 - 07:59am PT
Hawk "gets it". Go Hawk.
pc

climber
Jun 4, 2014 - 08:03am PT
Oh brother, How many times have we had this conversation....As others have said...It's a campfire. You know, climbers chatting about this and that... Do you really think the great folks we have here, too many to name, want to talk only about climbing? Or the latest climbing protection? Or what shoes everyone wears to get them up Astroman?

Starve the trolls.
Use your own filter.
Don't sit next to the town drunk.
etc...

anita514

Gym climber
Great White North
Jun 4, 2014 - 08:04am PT
isn't Avery a Mattski avatar?
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jun 4, 2014 - 08:05am PT
Heck, DMT has more class in his pinkie than Sister Mary Elephant any old day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2421623/Remember-when-RGold-peed-on-the-Vulgarians-heads
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Jun 4, 2014 - 08:36am PT
A class act
acting class
lack of class
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jun 4, 2014 - 08:46am PT
The best is how we have a "distinct" lack of class, rather than a regular ol' lack of class. You're alright Avery!



Jefe for the win!
locker....all dabbed up and nodding off on the f*#king space bar.
quality content.






























kaholatingtong

Trad climber
Nevada City
Jun 4, 2014 - 08:47am PT
your missing one incredibly important part ron. Pictures. Tell that EXACT same story, with the exact same attitude with pictures and i bet you get what you are looking for. sh#t, that is pretty much what vitalis most recently TRs ARE. but with pictures.
kaholatingtong

Trad climber
Nevada City
Jun 4, 2014 - 08:50am PT
bro then get your sled team to take pics. DUH!
fluffy

Trad climber
Colorado
Jun 4, 2014 - 08:51am PT
Supertopo is great site, but it's in grave danger of becoming irrelevant. Sure, plenty of folks are posting, but climbing is becoming a very distant second to mindless babble.

Yeah it sure has gone downhill since you joined up on March 13, 2014!

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 4, 2014 - 08:55am PT
I miss Lois. I know in my heart that Jefe does, too.
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Jun 4, 2014 - 08:55am PT

Normally one posts their crybaby thread BEFORE their "I'm Leaving And Taking My Dolly And Dishes Because I Don't Like The Way You Play House" thread.

Reversing the order is very distinct!

Southern Hemi style
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jun 4, 2014 - 09:02am PT
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 4, 2014 - 09:10am PT
Ron, HaHaHaHa! And that's why I don't shop at Walmart - some bargains just aren't worth it!

ps
You'd have loved going camping with me...

"This looks like a good campsite, doesn't it?"

mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jun 4, 2014 - 09:18am PT
Two Gentlemen of Distinction, a play by Will Shakespeare. Class out the butt.

F u c k you.Oh, yeah?
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Jun 4, 2014 - 10:18am PT
rbolton

Social climber
The home for...
Jun 4, 2014 - 10:20am PT
If you're looking for class here on supertopo you might as well go looking for a hymen in a whorehouse. You'll probably have better luck. I really don't think that is the main reason most of us are here.

"Were it not for the presence of the unwashed and the half-educated, the formless, queer and incomplete, the unreasonable and absurd, the infinite shapes of the delightful human tadpole, the horizon would not wear so wide a grin"

Frank Moore Colby Imaginary Obligations
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jun 4, 2014 - 10:51am PT
No sweat, Dr. Sixpack.

Do me a favor, a fool's errand, and take this short quiz.
http://www.gotoquiz.com/are_you_classy_or_trashy_1
I came in with a "piano," an 88, the perfect blend of classy and trashy.

I bet The Larry is close to that. GREAT PHOTO!


JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jun 4, 2014 - 11:16am PT
What's all this about? We have lots of class. It may not be high class, but it's still class.

I find it significant that people like Donini, Bob D'A and Warbler -- still climbing hard after all these years -- also still frequent this forum. Now if I could only get them to agree with me!

OK. I get tired of the ad hominem attacks that inhabit so many threads. And I give Avery credit for attacking what he doesn't like without attacking specific people. That often takes rather a great deal of self-discipline to make clear that it's behavior, not people, to which we object.

That said, it doesn't take me very long to skip the noise and read the signals. Besides, sometimes, the noise has an entertainment value of its own.

John
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 4, 2014 - 11:19am PT
I guess you get back what you sow

Sueweeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jun 4, 2014 - 11:23am PT
Moosie, that's so classy I'm using her as Screen Saver of the Month.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jun 4, 2014 - 11:47am PT
historical perspective,,,cycles Avery. as sure as the tides...


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Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Jun 4, 2014 - 11:51am PT
OMG, it is a public forum, with lots of people posting. Some post useful stuff, some post garbage. Interpretation of what is useful and what is garbage is very subjective, and again, this is a PUBLIC forum. SOOOOO to make it better, bump things that are useful to you, don't open threads that you find useless and offensive. It is quite simple. YOU ARE NOT MAKING THE FORUM BETTER BY STARTING ANOTHER WHINING THREAD THAT INVOLVES NO FKING CLIMBING MATERIAL!!!!!
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jun 4, 2014 - 11:55am PT
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pc

climber
Jun 4, 2014 - 02:03pm PT
I'd like to just say, F*#k Off to all of you hate spewing trolls. There's off topic then there's off the rocker.

If you disagree with someone's opinion/position, is that a reason to spew hate? Seems too common around here (ST and the US in general)

pc

climber
Jun 4, 2014 - 02:10pm PT
Wasn't pointing at you Dr. F.

But frack....You found me out. I am fat and can't climb my way onto a bar stool anymore.

pc

climber
Jun 4, 2014 - 02:29pm PT
Okay, no hate, just photos...

The Chief?


or


or

Avery

climber
NZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 4, 2014 - 02:46pm PT
What ever you say......
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jun 4, 2014 - 03:00pm PT
Flip Flop

Trad climber
Truckee, CA
Jun 4, 2014 - 04:02pm PT
I apologize for picking on Dr F.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Jun 4, 2014 - 04:20pm PT
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Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Jun 4, 2014 - 05:59pm PT
Never respond to Dick Poledick's posts no matter what
he will create a sh#t storm of whining and name calling like the baby he is.

Ding ding ding!!

Now extrapolate this to all trolls and you have the answer
Psilocyborg

climber
Jun 4, 2014 - 06:05pm PT
Avery, you complain too much.
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Jun 4, 2014 - 06:06pm PT
hey, my name is Dick Poledick.
Avery

climber
NZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 4, 2014 - 07:01pm PT
Hey Dingus, checkout my three other posts, they all highlight what NZ has to offer the climber or general tourist.
If you want a tale from me, I wrote a small account about a climbing accident I had in 1988. It's on supertopo somewhere. As you always appear on my threads sooner or latter, I'm sure you will have no trouble finding it.
Avery

climber
NZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 4, 2014 - 07:12pm PT
Hey Locker, keep up the good work, your making my case for me.
Your statements have even allowed me to lower my arms.
Thanks for the help.
phylp

Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
Jun 4, 2014 - 07:18pm PT
Hi Avery, welcome back!
The Classy-sassy-lassie-Phyl
Avery

climber
NZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 4, 2014 - 07:19pm PT
I dedicate this pic to "mouse from merced", "anita 514", "Dingus Milktoast" and "Locker"
anita514

Gym climber
Great White North
Jun 4, 2014 - 07:35pm PT
why are you picking on me, Avery?
bit'er ol' guy

climber
the past
Jun 4, 2014 - 08:36pm PT
Really?

is this BS that important to you?

GET-A-LIFE-LOSERS

LAME!
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jun 4, 2014 - 10:39pm PT
Avery, that's a cool fecking picture!
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Jun 5, 2014 - 12:03am PT

Before the temptation gets too strong, just sing along:

...zeeny-bop flap-doodle woo woo...
Avery

climber
NZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 5, 2014 - 12:20am PT
Thanks Survival,
It's a very old pic, taken in 1981.
I've always liked it.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jun 5, 2014 - 12:25am PT
Keep em coming bro.

You never said you would tell my Pacific Ocean Wall partner John Dale, from Gore hello. We did the 8th ascent together.

Careful, you might offend me.....
Avery

climber
NZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 5, 2014 - 12:30am PT
Hi anita514,
How did you arrive at the conclusion I was "picking on you". I thought you would deem it an honor to be among such edifying company.
I can remove your name if you like.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Jun 5, 2014 - 12:33am PT
Hahaha Avery you are awesome. Maybe I was wrong, maybe you just are messing with everyone ;-)
Avery

climber
NZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 5, 2014 - 12:38am PT
Sorry Survival, I remember you mentioning John Dale. From a Kiwi point of view he was a guy that sprang from nowhere. I remember him soloing the Shelia Face of Mt Cook (3000 ft of thoughtful alpine climbing) in two and a half hours. I've never met him and haven't heard his name mentioned here for years.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jun 5, 2014 - 12:40am PT
John Dale is the real thing, trust me. I saw him do some sh#t on the P.O. that normal humans don't do.

He still springs from nowhere. He is a dedicated husband, father, climber, and sheepf*#ker.

I haven't seen him face to face for 30 years, and I would do damn near anything for him.

Thanks for answering Avery.





Edit: I forgot to say what a great sailor he is....

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Avery

climber
NZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 5, 2014 - 12:52am PT
Always a pleasure to hear from you, Ryan D.
I initiated this thread because a friend of mine got obscenely abused, and took it (understandably) very much to heart. All I'm asking for is a bit decorum among the exchanges.
I swear to God, I'm not goading anybody Ryan, but after the hammering I've taken from certain people on this thread I thought they should, at the very least, be acknowledged for there "undeniable talents" in the field of argumentative vituperation.
Avery

climber
NZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 5, 2014 - 12:59am PT
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jun 5, 2014 - 01:15am PT
Thanks Avery. After what I saw John do on El Cap, he could climb anything on that face, almost asleep.
Braunini

Big Wall climber
cupertino
Jun 5, 2014 - 01:22am PT
Supertopo is seriously beginning to suck.

Beginning?
Avery

climber
NZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 5, 2014 - 01:24am PT
Hey Survival,
The very first time I heard JDale's name mentioned was from the late Rob Hall. We use to joke about how a farmer from the deep south was over in Yosemite mixing it with the best of them.
Do you have any pics from the POW climb you could possibly post?
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jun 5, 2014 - 01:30am PT
zeeny-bop flap-dood

edify this

cheers

mouse209


Avery

climber
NZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 5, 2014 - 01:57am PT
Thanks "mouse from merced"
I really value your input.

Don't ever deprive the world of gems like
"zeeny-bop" "flap-dood"

Would you like your name removed along with anita's?



RyanD

climber
Squamish
Jun 5, 2014 - 02:08am PT
That's cool Avery I understand your motive, & know you are being genuine. As for taking a hammering, my only advice would be as to monitoring how you wear your heart on your keyboard & how serious you choose to take things online. I always enjoy your photos & climbing content. Cheers.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Jun 5, 2014 - 02:14am PT
dumb people should have their face cut,

what do you think brings in people and sells add time, TR's or the parking lot meeting?

don't know of anybody who died reading ST posts,
hear about a lot of people getting croaked while climbing,

so which is worse, reading ST or climbing?

are you a moderate drinker or a real alcoholic with a wet brain?

are you on crack?

are your grandchildren mutatated?


survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jun 5, 2014 - 02:14am PT
Hey Survival,
The very first time I heard JDale's name mentioned was from the late Rob Hall. We use to joke about how a farmer from the deep south was over in Yosemite mixing it with the best of them.
Do you have any pics from the POW climb you could possibly post?


I tell you brother, it's all true. There was John Dale climbing Tangerine Trip, with an Italian that didn't speak English, and then climbing the Pacific Ocean with me and Bob Williams. There were CRAZY nights at the Mountain Room Bar, trying to figure out where the money was coming from, and who was going to pay for the next stolen round.

Brother, I'm telling you it was the best of times. John and I fixing pitches while we mistakenly let Bob buy the wall food. We ended up with Sarah Lee Cakes, and a half case of Coca Cola. Luckily there was enough weed and cigarettes to go around. This was before Bob found Jesus and was born again.

Intense, beautiful and fun, all the way around. One of the best moments was when John finished the big hook traverse up high, found a good crack, and screamed "This crack's gonna get as#@&%es".

Avery, I hope I can find some pictures for you, but I make no promises.
Find John and he will confirm everything I have to say.
Peace,
Bruce

Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Jun 5, 2014 - 02:21am PT
yeah scrape it back on my plate,

you been detoxed how many times?

somebody needs an antidepressant suppository

if i have to listen to this war story one more time i'm gonna shoot myself,

i'd rather lick a cat's ass three times than listen to some wanna-be moderator,
Avery

climber
NZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 5, 2014 - 04:10am PT
Thanks Ryan, it's all good advice. I probably need to pull back a bit. If I replied to every clown on supertopo I would never leave the keyboard.
Cheers.
Avery

climber
NZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 5, 2014 - 04:13am PT
Thanks Survival, you described that 70's/80's Yosemite scene so well I can almost taste it.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jun 5, 2014 - 06:23am PT
John Dale, my ex wife and I all saw The Blues Brothers, first run in a theatre in Laramie.
His comment; "that's a silly movie."
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jun 5, 2014 - 07:18am PT
ST has it all....class, lass, climbing tips, tr's, internet wars over guns, politics and religion, ad hominen arguments, route beta, climbing hookups, lost equipment posts, historical tidbits, camping info. road and trail descriptions, sarcasm, cynicism, kindness.....It's up to you to separate the wheat from the chaff.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jun 5, 2014 - 07:28am PT
where?
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jun 5, 2014 - 07:32am PT
their
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 5, 2014 - 07:42am PT
Dov'e?
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jun 5, 2014 - 07:48am PT
goin climing...goodby
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 5, 2014 - 07:48am PT
And depending wear yew live in the San Gabriel Valley grew and glue are cinnamons.
mooser

Trad climber
seattle
Jun 5, 2014 - 07:50am PT
donini: ad hominen should be ad hominem. Sorry, man...it had to be pointed out. I was raised by Conan the Grammarian. :-)
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jun 5, 2014 - 07:54am PT
Damn...at least I never blow the titles. Out the door to clip some bolts.
pb

Sport climber
Sonora Ca
Jun 5, 2014 - 07:56am PT
the only unassailable position is non-aggression (maybe)
mooser

Trad climber
seattle
Jun 5, 2014 - 08:04am PT
Damn...at least I never blow the titles. Out the door to clip some bolts.

Don't feel badly, donini. Malemute needs a comma before the word "too," and a period at the end of his sentence.

My work here is done.
Peter Haan

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
Jun 5, 2014 - 08:36am PT
To be truthful, Supertopo has always been this perilous and all the other things everyone is saying it has become.

If you think it is worsening, it isn't, perhaps just more populated. if you really want to see how bad groups like this can get, just look back at rec. climbing from the 1990's and early 2000's.

And this is actually human nature, sorry to say. When you don't see one another, you might do unspeakable things to that person with only the slightest urging. The Milgram experiments and similar research have shown us this over and over.
anita514

Gym climber
Great White North
Jun 5, 2014 - 09:03am PT
hi Avery, I was just joking. though I must admit you referring to locker as 'edifying company' made me laugh
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 5, 2014 - 09:13am PT
What could possibly be more important than adding a bolt to Double Cross
and proclaiming the righteousness of it, right, Locker?
guido

Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
Jun 5, 2014 - 09:28am PT
Ah, the nerve of it to have a bloody Kiwi give us a lecture on Class!
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Jun 5, 2014 - 09:34am PT
Buncha clas#@&%s

(Class holes)
jstan

climber
Jun 5, 2014 - 09:39am PT
A good one.

http://vimeo.com/36675195

wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Jun 5, 2014 - 09:43am PT
She is right.....
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Jun 5, 2014 - 11:56am PT
Virgirn seems classy, and nice.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Jun 5, 2014 - 12:02pm PT
Don't play with spiders...
[Click to View YouTube Video]
little Z

Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
Jun 5, 2014 - 01:01pm PT
best comments

some one from across the globe wishes he had found a classy place full of CLIMBERS?? Who are in large part DIRTBAGS??

The whole point is...climbers are talking.

That we all climb makes us family. Awful as that is at times, it is to many of us the most wonderful part. Don't under estimate belonging.

Supertopo can be anything you want depending upon what you click. You could be viewing nothing but great climbing content.

I think I'd stop visiting the Taco forum (which is only a part of this site, remember?) the day there was no climbing content on the first page. Likewise for the day there was only climbing content on the first page!
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Jun 5, 2014 - 01:17pm PT
Damn Matt, if that's you, congrats! You got me good this time!!
Avery

climber
NZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 5, 2014 - 04:35pm PT
Many thanks to Dingus and Locker for there inspirational work.

There hilarious messages have transformed me. I've actually developed a sense of humor, something I've fought against all my life.

Whenever I have to go out I begin to suffer withdrawal symptoms that can only be cured with a small dose of Dingus/Locker. (Remember, use only as directed, an overdose may prove fatal)

Well done gentlemen and remember, keep up the good work.
fluffy

Trad climber
Colorado
Jun 5, 2014 - 05:18pm PT
That's a negatory good buddy!

There more than 2 kiwis in the world ya dumb shits

Edit: the profanity scrambler is laggin! Oh noes someone might see the word shit!
Anastasia

climber
Home
Jun 5, 2014 - 05:28pm PT
Individuals make the decision to be classy or not. I ignore a some people who are not worthy of my time. Plus I have concluded that worthless/mean people don't even deserve my anger. Instead I will always pay attention to a few that are extremely awesome. I'll take their influence over my life and leave the rest.

I also know that trying to herd people into acting better, you really will have better luck herding feral cats.

Instead be classy and... Classy people will relate to you, hang out, surround you. Being an ass... Well, if you like being surrounded by asses go ahead. Being one is a sure way to keep a crowd of asses up close and personal.
Avery

climber
NZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 5, 2014 - 07:51pm PT
Hi Anastasia, interesting comments.
If you regard yourself as in anyway classy then stand by for some flak, it's sure to come your way. All I asked was for some common courtesy to be shown to fellow poster's and all manner of insults came my way. I agree with everything you said, but you might have stepped over the line by attempting to introduce some positive, intelligent thoughts. I already see the mindless elements emerging from the shadows.....
Avery

climber
NZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 5, 2014 - 09:01pm PT
How many people out there think this thread should continue?

Let me know how you feel about, what's it to be?

As the initiator of this thread I will ultimately have the final say.

Speaking from a strictly personnel point of view I don't think there's much to be gained by continuing. But I will happily bower to the will of the people, whatever that may be.
Risk

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Jun 5, 2014 - 09:04pm PT
delete
this just in

climber
north fork
Jun 5, 2014 - 09:08pm PT
Some great Trip Reports right now Avery, go check them out for a good climbing fix. If you take this place to seriously it turns out to be a shitty place. Good on ya Avery.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jun 5, 2014 - 09:08pm PT
Don't bower to the will of the people...whatever that is. Let your thread live so that ST'ers can wax on....and on, and on.
this just in

climber
north fork
Jun 5, 2014 - 09:14pm PT
Great little articles in the latest Ascent magazine Donini. Thanks for the shares.
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Jun 5, 2014 - 09:31pm PT
wax on....and on, and on.

Does it hurt?
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jun 5, 2014 - 09:35pm PT
No, it's fine, I've done it myself given certain subject matter.

I devoured Ascent when I was a young climber...glad it's back.
ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
extraordinaire
Jun 5, 2014 - 09:42pm PT
For whatever reason, the climbing forum has always been this way.
It's set in stone.
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Jun 5, 2014 - 09:46pm PT

I devoured Ascent when I was a young climber...glad it's back.

I recently found a copy at a thrift store. It was the issue we passed around in high school. I enjoyed reading it just as much this time.
little Z

Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
Jun 5, 2014 - 09:52pm PT
wax on....and on, and on.

Does it hurt?

it doesn't hurt until you pull the wax off
Flip Flop

Trad climber
Truckee, CA
Jun 5, 2014 - 09:59pm PT
Avery is way cool. He said that he is having fun and developing a sense of humor. I like the SloppyTipi.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jun 6, 2014 - 08:17am PT
You guys suggesting Avery and Gilchrist are one and the same?

I don't see it. Would be a hell of a fakeout.



I don't see it either. Avery can spell and put a sentence together.....
anita514

Gym climber
Great White North
Jun 6, 2014 - 12:39pm PT
meth is one hell of a drug
Avery

climber
NZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 6, 2014 - 03:35pm PT
Whats all this nonsense about me being two different people. I'm just the one single, solitary person. We're both in agreement on that.
Avery

climber
NZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 6, 2014 - 03:47pm PT
Hey Dingus and Locker, have you ever thought about becoming a pair of comic-singers. You should give it some serious consideration.
Incidentally, Anastasia appears to have made you guys almost coherent.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jun 6, 2014 - 03:59pm PT
Please go climb something

Avery

climber
NZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 6, 2014 - 04:18pm PT
Amen, StahlBro
Swami Jr.

Trad climber
Bath, NY
Jun 6, 2014 - 06:12pm PT
Gotta agree with OP. I don't spend much time here anymore. Too much garbage to sift through. But plenty of people seem to like it. Just not for me.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Jun 6, 2014 - 06:16pm PT
I knew you were back Matt!


Sport climbing is sure to get you some respect on supertopo.

Especially if you started from the top.


What's up with you & Anita & the Hawk anyways??


Super weird shet IMO.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Jun 6, 2014 - 06:41pm PT
Oh that's it??

I always thought you guys all met at a swinger party or something classy like that. The 3 of you have never met in the real?? I always got the vibe that you guys used to be buddies or something.
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Jun 6, 2014 - 06:43pm PT
There's a lot we don't know about that crew of trollers.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Jun 6, 2014 - 06:56pm PT
Hey my friend has a girlfriend!!



anita514

Gym climber
Great White North
Jun 6, 2014 - 07:00pm PT
Hawk and I have a mutual friend. we almost kind of met but they pussed out because of weather, or stayed closer to home or something.
yeah. trollers know people in the real too eh. some of them are even real people.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Jun 6, 2014 - 07:08pm PT
That's cool Anita, who's not a troller ;-)


Captain...or Skully

climber
in the oil patch
Jun 6, 2014 - 07:32pm PT
"Well, we got no Class.......
And we got no principles ........(principals?)
And we got no innocence...........
we can't even think of a word to rhyme!
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Jun 6, 2014 - 09:39pm PT
Edit-Some times women need threatening to lover boy, when you finally become a man you will understand.



I like how this thread started with a kiwi saying we have no class & now we have a kiwi on the same thread saying the classiest things. Oh the irony!


If your statement is true Matt I hope to never become a man.
Avery

climber
NZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 6, 2014 - 10:05pm PT
The irony is not lost on me, Ryan. I've had enough of the stupidity on this thread. Unless Hawk and Kakapo get their act together and attempt some civilized behavior, I'll delete it.

The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Jun 6, 2014 - 10:13pm PT
Don't delete bro... Unless you want to be on couchmaster's list.

Serious stuff.

John M

climber
Jun 6, 2014 - 10:18pm PT
funny Irony, but it shouldn't be about nationalities. I don't think Avery meant that Kiwis were better. He is just speaking up for what he wants. He makes good points.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Jun 6, 2014 - 10:33pm PT
Good point John M.
Avery

climber
NZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 6, 2014 - 11:18pm PT
Thanks John M and RyanD
Avery

climber
NZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 6, 2014 - 11:24pm PT
"Avery, you know not what you speak, but I don't hold it against you."


Well Hawk, please enlighten me, point by point, where I'm going "wrong"

I deem it an honor to be criticized by such a brilliant and perceptive mind
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Jun 6, 2014 - 11:30pm PT
Yo Avery, where's the class in this thread?
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Jun 7, 2014 - 12:00am PT
Why don't you guys agree to disagree.. Lol..

Sorry i brought it up.. Lol
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Jun 7, 2014 - 12:29am PT
Matt if I was you I'd be more concerned with how the Hawk got your mom's email than anything else, especially if you've never met him.


That said, good shift today boys. What's up for the weekend?
Avery

climber
NZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 7, 2014 - 12:32am PT
I agree Todd, where is the class?. When ever I've thought about deleting this thread Ive been talked out of it.
Perhaps if you took another gulp of that "crappy wine" you mentioned earlier in this thread things might appear a little more classy.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Jun 7, 2014 - 12:48am PT
Lol, Avery is catching the beat for sure.

After reading this thread and saying some dumb shet on it as well I've come to realize that class may be on somewhat of a sliding scale. Especially on the internet.



Edit- well that sounds not too bad Matt. I'm hoping to go bouldering in the am if I don't stay up on supertopo all night & then go to work to save some $$ to go to California as well lol. Maybe go camping on the day of The Lord.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Jun 7, 2014 - 12:53am PT
Yeah dude, don't you worship in the house of The Lord every Sunday?
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Jun 7, 2014 - 12:56am PT
Lol.. I thought you did your worshipping at the crag Ryan?
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Jun 7, 2014 - 12:58am PT
Exactly Mike!


anita514

Gym climber
Great White North
Jun 7, 2014 - 04:44am PT
do you have any climbs lined up, Matt?
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jun 7, 2014 - 02:01pm PT
Kakopo, you'll love the Hulk! Warm up on the Red Dihedral and then jump on Postitive Vibrations....one of the finest 11a multi pitch climbs out there.
Michelle

Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
Jun 9, 2014 - 10:14am PT
Edit-Some times women need threatening to lover boy, when you finally become a man you will understand.

Lone Pine in July? Sounds good, see you there.
Michelle

Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
Jun 9, 2014 - 10:34am PT
It's a dry heat though. Maybe that'll make him more likely to threaten me.
Anastasia

climber
Home
Jun 9, 2014 - 06:24pm PT
"Svengali?" You give me too much credit Locker. Ha! I am trying to manipulate a two year old to go to bed and I'm failing. I so could use a little selfish time with the husband. Then again maybe my kid is more able at two than most here so I just might appear "convincingly skilled."

:)AFS
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