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Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Feb 12, 2014 - 03:51pm PT

Kill your lawns-----and the golf courses

Umm, Fritz? My "lawn":




John M

climber
Feb 12, 2014 - 03:53pm PT
that sh#t, gets talked to and treated like the army your ascribing to


and so you prove The Chief right.

nothing will be discussed, nothing will be changed as we whirl around the sun of your judgment.


the powers that be love you for what you are doing
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Feb 12, 2014 - 04:03pm PT
heh...
could be
i was trained by them before i fled their control
i see the power of word they use on the masses going unconfronted
and i choose to toss it back in their face to what bare measure i can

i realize that martin luther king was used to prevent an honest uprising for setting our nation free

it instead staunched the greatest tide justice ever had going into giving the evilest of f*#k a chance to regroup

f*#k peace and non-violence

im going to do whats right

to hell with you pissants
John M

climber
Feb 12, 2014 - 04:08pm PT
so you believe a violent race war would have had a better outcome?
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Feb 12, 2014 - 04:14pm PT
ah but there wouldnt have been a race war,
that was just the construct a throttled media framed it as

the state went to war against the militant blacks because they had gathered such broad appeal across class and color lines


dig into the tape recording of that cross dresser running the fbi

a most revealing bit has him talking to the police chief of san franscisco
who tells him " you know... we dont understand how we can attack these black panthers for self defense given they have gathered so much support from the community at large"

to which the man in bra an diapers running the fbi says " YOU DONT UNDERSTAND!!! the fact they have gathered so much support from across the community at large is PRECISELY why we have to kill them in their tracks!!!"

John M

climber
Feb 12, 2014 - 04:18pm PT
violence was used to stop Martin Luther King. We don't know what he could have accomplished if he had lived.
dirtbag

climber
Feb 12, 2014 - 04:19pm PT


Your daughters, you can keep.

:D

DMT


Credit: dirtbag



Your women. I want to buy your women. The little girl, your daughters... sell them to me. Sell me your children!



Credit: dirtbag


rSin

Trad climber
calif
Feb 12, 2014 - 04:27pm PT
heh

violence was used to PARK the civil rights movement that martin had coopted after militants had got somewhere with it

Stokely Carmichael
malcolm x
fred hampton
bobby seal

etc etc

they were the leaders of the movement to quality and justice that mlk was pissing on

all that boy were allowed to respect was bent on accomplishing was tuckin then in out of site and putting their issues to bed without resolution

moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
Feb 12, 2014 - 04:30pm PT
rSin, I witnessed first hand what the lack of tolerance does to a society. I despise radicals, right or left. They are blinded by their hate.

Andrzej
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Feb 12, 2014 - 04:36pm PT
Elcapyoazz! That's a pretty natural lawn. Ok with me for the desert.
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Feb 12, 2014 - 04:39pm PT
and to think formerly i was only attacking your dialogue and didnt realize that at your heart your the worest of filth a vile system could manufacture to do its evil deeds with a smile on its plastic face

if that your position then your a blind f*#k and you LOVE the worest of massacres and depredations of the poor and women and old which is the result which conflating retorics AS IF they happen from an equal base

cuz there aint no comparison between left and right excesses

and painting them as comparable shows you dont have an honest bone in your motherf*#king goddamn sack of sh#t the worms are sorry they can only eat you once body

moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
Feb 12, 2014 - 04:40pm PT
So, you water huggers want to kill this???



;)

Moose
moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
Feb 12, 2014 - 04:42pm PT
rSin, keep them coming.

lol, very impressive

Moose
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Feb 12, 2014 - 04:45pm PT
You know, I was looking for some sort of water fountains spraying up out of Lago di Como when I was in Bellagio. I didn't see any. Just a nice lake:



Who can look at Las Vegas and think of recreating that?

Next we'll see an outdoor Amazon jungle in front of a hotel, complete with rain falling and steam rising from the rotting leafbed.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2014 - 04:46pm PT
If Blue Mars is possible then Blew Vegas should be frickin easy?

DMT
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Feb 12, 2014 - 04:57pm PT
you robison idiots
moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
Feb 12, 2014 - 05:21pm PT
Going climbing.

Cool down, rSin.

Moose
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2014 - 06:19pm PT
rSin when will you return to tioga?

DMT

Bob Harrington

climber
Bishop, California
Feb 12, 2014 - 11:12pm PT
Here in the Big Raisin, I love watching our SF Senators get in on the act. The hypocrisy of their environmental politics stands out in bold relief. Funny how the Toulumne naturally flows into the San Joaquin River which flows into the Delta, yet no Hetch Hetchy water gets cut to increase Delta flow and "restore" the San Joaquin. Any threat of that makes them sound like a GOP congressman, and suddenly admit that the highest and best economic use of water should determine how we allocate it, rather than religion.

John Elezarian, water politics are a lot stranger and more complicated than the usual lefty vs righty partisan politics we see so much (here and elsewhere). Sen. Feinstein has been a stalwart friend of southern San Joaquin agribusiness, so her stance on Hetch Hetchy is fairly consistent with her pro water transfer history. And how about those conservative San Joaquin congressmen trying to abrogate our state oversight of federal water contracts hand control over to the feds. State control of water is a most hallowed conservative value! What are those guys thinking?!?

What is not clear to me is that government ownership of the aquifer will lead to a more fair or efficient allocation of the water rights than private ownership using mineral rights doctrines already established.

That experiment is underway. Most western states have groundwater rights permitting system. Neveda's State Engineer is tasked with permitting groundwater groundwater extractors taking more than 2(?) acre-feet per year. Complete, centralized control of the resource by government. The State Engineer has statutory guidlines for how to evaluate permit applications, but he generally has a lot of discretion. Big controversial permits are slugged out in hearings before the State Engineer.

In California, property owners have a right to pump groundwater from beneath their property and use it on the overlying property. In a basin with lots of pumpers, things can get messy and end up in court and the basin is adjudicated where all the parties have their groundwater right quantified. Very expensive to get all the pumpers, each with their lawyers, into court for a few years to reach a settlement. Big controversial pumping projects are generally fought out in the NEPA/CEQA arena.

The Nevada State Engineer is subject to a lot of political pressure. Same with the NEPA/CEQA process.

So is Nevada's system better than California's? Both states have basins in overdraft, neither the iron boot of the State Engineer or stewardship of the resource by individual owners has prevented over use of groundwater. California water managers are generally opposed centralized control of groundwater in Sacramento. Water agencies and counties are skeptical that governance from Sacramento offers anything good for local agencies, and do a lot of local planning to show that the matter should really be left to the locals.

But let's tackle health care first - its the easier problem to solve.

Hah, no doubt, Dingus. Here's a report on California water myths that you should read if you're interested in California's water problems.

http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/report/R_1209EHR.pdf
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Feb 12, 2014 - 11:59pm PT
Good to hear from you, Bob. I don't know if you remember me, but I was at Berkeley --and particularly at Indian and Mortar Rocks -- when You, Vern, Claude Fiddler, Dennis Oakeschott, et al. were in high school.

I agree that the politics of western water are far more complicated than either left vs. right or Democrat vs. Republican. It just amuses me -- and gratifies me -- to see how pragmatic western lawmakers get when water is at stake. I wish they'd be that way for other issues of importance, too.

John
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