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karen roseme

Mountain climber
san diego
Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 28, 2013 - 10:17pm PT
I am sorry to say Ammon had a serious base jumping accident yesterday.
He is in a hospital in Grand Junction where they are trying to save his foot.
I don't know the details of the accident. It was a jump off the Moab Rim. I think he hit the wall somehow.
I am sure he would love some support right now from his friends.
Hang in there Ammon you are strong!
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Oct 28, 2013 - 10:18pm PT
Bummer....prayers for him.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Oct 28, 2013 - 10:18pm PT
DAMN.. sh1t sh1t sh1t

OK Pirate.. a fecking pegleg isn't THAT COOL.

Best wishes and lotsa OE man.
FrankZappa

Trad climber
Hankster's crew
Oct 28, 2013 - 10:20pm PT
Ouch. That sucks. Hope it heals up well dude.
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Oct 28, 2013 - 10:22pm PT
That's terrible! I sure hope everything works out well, and you heal up completely Ammon! Best wishes.
T2

climber
Cardiff by the sea
Oct 28, 2013 - 10:23pm PT
Awe shucks!!

Be well buddy
thebravecowboy

Social climber
Colorado Plateau
Oct 28, 2013 - 10:23pm PT
my stomach just dropped out.

I am in GJ and if there is anything that I can do to help, I am willing and able.

You are in my thoughts, brother. This too shall pass.

Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Oct 28, 2013 - 10:26pm PT
Get well soon! I imagine there will be some time to heal. Always love to hear from you here on this forum.


EDIT: Saw your photo on facebook.... Bad Ass injury. Glad to hear prospects are positive.
micronut

Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
Oct 28, 2013 - 10:27pm PT
Hoping for as good of an outcome as possible. Seems like a hard dude. It will serve him well in the coming hours. Dude's an icon. May strength and endurance come your way Ammon.

Scott
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Oct 28, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
Sorry to hear this Ammon!! Having a foot that doesn't work is no fun! Hoping they put you back together good!
Rudder

Trad climber
Costa Mesa, CA
Oct 28, 2013 - 10:33pm PT
I am sorry to say Ammon has had a serious base jumping accident yesterday.

Cringe, sh!t, sh!t, sh!t... hoping for the best possible outcome over here! Get well soon Ammon!
guido

Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
Oct 28, 2013 - 10:33pm PT
Sending good vibes for you Ammon!
GhoulweJ

Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
Oct 28, 2013 - 10:33pm PT
Get well soon Ammon!

whitemeat

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo, CA
Oct 28, 2013 - 10:34pm PT
hope you get better soon dude! I have never met you but hope I will in the future. stay strong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Oct 28, 2013 - 10:35pm PT
Yowl!

Best wishes for a speedy recovery ----from one of the old farts on ST-----who thinks you're Granetic & Gneiss!
Peter Haan

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
Oct 28, 2013 - 10:40pm PT
Awful news. He is "strong like bull" though and will prevail one has to think.

What a wonderful character you are Ammon. And the best to you now when the rest of us tremble with you.
Chris McNamara

SuperTopo staff member
Oct 28, 2013 - 10:41pm PT
Heal fast bro. And climb el cap with me more often... Much harder to hurt yourself
labrat

Trad climber
Auburn, CA
Oct 28, 2013 - 10:49pm PT
Good thoughts going your way. Heal up soon!
Erik
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Oct 28, 2013 - 10:51pm PT

Take care, Ammon and heal up!
Dirka

Trad climber
Hustle City
Oct 28, 2013 - 10:52pm PT
Best wishes pirate!
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Oct 28, 2013 - 10:53pm PT
Oh this is not nice.
Heal up fast as you can

Susan
Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...
Oct 28, 2013 - 10:53pm PT
Sending positive vibes too!!
Stay strong there are many here that a pulling for you.
grover

climber
Northern Mexico
Oct 28, 2013 - 10:53pm PT
Stay strong Ammon!
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Oct 28, 2013 - 10:57pm PT
Best wishes, Ammon.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Oct 28, 2013 - 11:05pm PT
Finally! I guess no one wanted to be the first to talk about it... Healing vibes!!!!!!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 28, 2013 - 11:05pm PT
Kaaarap!!!! Ill pray for a FULL RECOVERY !
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Oct 28, 2013 - 11:05pm PT
Sorry to read this.
Best wishes for a speedy and complete recovery.
Mark Rodell

Trad climber
Bangkok
Oct 28, 2013 - 11:11pm PT
Pulling for you from Thailand, Ammon. As Peter said, "strong like bull."
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Oct 28, 2013 - 11:12pm PT
Heal up soon. Hope to see you in Josh this season!
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Oct 28, 2013 - 11:18pm PT
Just saw the pirate today. He's doing well and is in good spirits.
Aarrrrgggg!!!!

Jolly Roger and Raviolli.
Jolly Roger and Raviolli.
Credit: The Larry
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Oct 28, 2013 - 11:18pm PT
get well Ammon!
best wishes going you're way!!
Scott McNamara

climber
Tucson, Arizona
Oct 28, 2013 - 11:20pm PT
Ammon,

Many of us have been busted up. We made it back.

Go with it. Learn from it. Allow it to teach without recrimination, without self castigation.

Your body is a 1,000,000 year old healer.

I will be inspired by you again--- before long.

Scott Mc
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Oct 28, 2013 - 11:24pm PT
OK, I'll jump in here. As a fellow climber that just trashed his right ankle pretty badly, but no where near as badly as yours, hang in there and put your mind to work. I said in another thread I tried going back in time to reverse everything....that didn't work. Now, it's just my latest project or projection onto the canvas of reality. The injury is part of the climb or jump and you have to move through all of it to get to the exit ramp, whatever that is. We were just fooled into thinking things were going to be different! My surgery is in the morning. Best of luck to you!

Scott, I dig what you say about the body being a 1,000,000,000 year old healer. I'm totally there. I like fixing stuff when I have to.

kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Oct 28, 2013 - 11:25pm PT
Thanks for the update, Larry!

Good news that Ammon looks fiery and smiling!
klaus

Big Wall climber
Pacif*#ka Muthaf*#ka
Oct 28, 2013 - 11:30pm PT
drink some grog

bite a stick

and have surgery like a pirate

no anesthesia!
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Oct 28, 2013 - 11:35pm PT
Sorry to hear about your accident.

Good to see you didn't bang your head.

Best of luck with your foot..

I hope your doggie gets to visit you in the hospital...

Saludos
nita.

thebravecowboy

Social climber
Colorado Plateau
Oct 28, 2013 - 11:56pm PT
YARRR! The man is intact enough! Thank you Larry for sharing with us the indomitable and enduring nature of the El Cap Pirate!

Daphne

Trad climber
Northern California
Oct 28, 2013 - 11:57pm PT
Sending positive vibes from a fellow foot-injury survivor. You will get through this, let the support that is flowing to you in. We are all on your side!
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Oct 29, 2013 - 12:04am PT
cheers  <br/>
cheers

Credit: Wade Icey
Lambone

Big Wall climber
Ashland, Or
Oct 29, 2013 - 12:07am PT
Ammon the survivor! Heal strong bro.
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Oct 29, 2013 - 12:10am PT
Hope the Aaaaamon is okay. Any prognosis on the foot? Glad it wasn't life threatening. We might have lost the brother. Glad we didn't.

Get well.

JL
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Oct 29, 2013 - 12:10am PT
Many of us here have been busted up pretty badly, and recovered to climb or jump again. Do the rehab with the same stoke you did the jumps and the climbs, and you'll be back in action before long.

Nohea

Trad climber
Living Outside the Statist Quo
Oct 29, 2013 - 12:16am PT
Heal up Brother, way to keep on pushing the fun!

Aloha,
Capt Wild Bill
ryankelly

Trad climber
el portal
Oct 29, 2013 - 12:26am PT
Get well Ammon!
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Oct 29, 2013 - 12:31am PT
It's easy to F up. Best wishes on the hard part.
marty(r)

climber
beneath the valley of ultravegans
Oct 29, 2013 - 12:37am PT
Get out of that bed and into the red...
Credit: marty(r)
(just heal up first!)
Lennox

climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
Oct 29, 2013 - 12:50am PT
Hang on to that yellow band they put on your wrist.

Hope you're back on the rocks soon.

Scott

Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Oct 29, 2013 - 12:58am PT
It's all fun and games 'til someone loses an eyepatch...


HEAL!!!111666
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Oct 29, 2013 - 12:59am PT
Wishin` ye well. Hope ye be havin' a full recovery. Glad ye didna end up in Davy Jones` Locker.
briham89

Big Wall climber
san jose, ca
Oct 29, 2013 - 01:07am PT
Best wishes Mr. Pirate sir
tonesfrommars

Trad climber
California
Oct 29, 2013 - 01:31am PT
Aaaaagh! Bummer dude.
Wishing you a fast recovery. I second CMac's suggestion. Stick to the rocks.
Get well soon!
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Oct 29, 2013 - 01:34am PT
Frick Ammon, as if jumping out of redwoods wasn't enough for your foot.

Super sobering news. Hoping the magic potion works and you get back to high-steppin' soon.
LuckyPink

climber
the last bivy
Oct 29, 2013 - 01:45am PT
sorry to hear you got nabbed by the troll under the bridge, but I'm glad you got away with head and heart. Best wishes for strong healing and that the foot gets on straight extending and flexing as it should.
10b4me

Ice climber
Bishop/Flagstaff
Oct 29, 2013 - 01:50am PT
Hope it isn't too bad, and that you are back outside soon.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Oct 29, 2013 - 01:51am PT
Yur Gonna Die!!!!!




If you keep eating Chef Boyardee in the hospital...


Sending Love Bro. Make the best of whatever it is and keep grooving

PEace

Karl
Fletcher

Gym climber
The great state of advaita
Oct 29, 2013 - 01:59am PT
Like that photo. That's the Ammon spirit... can do matey! But Chef Boyardee... isn't that a form of juicing? No worries, if it gets the job done... carry on matey and heal well.

Eric
Porkchop_express

Trad climber
Springdale, UT
Oct 29, 2013 - 02:15am PT
Sending good vibes your way--hang in there and heal up soon!
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Oct 29, 2013 - 02:15am PT
Got a message from Sir Pirate a while ago. Had a cliff strike in Moab but he says he will fully recover. He will probably share some details soon.

Get well fast my friend! Blue skies.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Oct 29, 2013 - 02:41am PT
Get well dude.

And Chef Boyardee is a patch on hospital food.
H

Mountain climber
there and back again
Oct 29, 2013 - 02:41am PT
When I heard you were in the hospital I new it had to be serious! Brother, hang in there.

Sending you good vibes. Nothing but respect for a fellow pirate.
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Oct 29, 2013 - 02:49am PT
Cliff strike - dang, Ammon, you may be running short of lives soon.
Pretty soon people might start calling you "the next 'Dead Steve' Morrell"?
http://web.archive.org/web/20060831014855/http://home.triad.rr.com/bmorrell/steve/stevestories.html
cuvvy

Sport climber
arkansas
Oct 29, 2013 - 03:23am PT
Sorry you are dealing with this accident. I hope you have many more flights. And continue to enjoy from life!
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Oct 29, 2013 - 03:35am PT
hey there say, ammon... keep getting well, we are in your corner...

is there a room address to send cards?

we are here to help you with the good cheer part, :)



glad that someone started the get well thread and glad to hear things
seem stable now... :)



and last:
i am very thankful you are still here for your loved ones, family,and
for us, too!

god bless... and prayers for recovery and all it entails...
ElCapPirate

Big Wall climber
Reno, Nevada
Oct 29, 2013 - 07:13am PT
*Warning: very graphic below*

Well, I was really trying to delay posting anything publicly until the surgeons could predict the outcome better and I had time to inform my family and close friends about this incident... but, I guess the cat is out of the bag.

Let me fist start off by thanking everyone for the well wishes. I truly appreciate it.

Second, I take 100% of the responsibility for this, and all other, accidents/injuries both in BASE jumping and rock climbing.

BASE jumping is a very hard activity to explain to those who have never experienced the sensation and freedom of leaping off a cliff. Just like rock climbing it's something that you have to be very passionate about to except the risks that come with the amazing feeling you get while following your dreams. For those who think climbing is any safer than BASE jumping are in complete denial of how dangerous rock climbing is. But, like climbing you can choose the risks that you take before you jump and decide if that is in your level of capabilities. I like to think of myself as a 5.10 trad BASE jumper with reasonable pro. Obviously, I'm not flying the 5.14x routes in Europe that is taking a lot of jumpers these days. That being said, we are not perfect and slipping on a 5.6 is still possible.

A little background information for those who don't know or are unclear of the days leading up to the Moab accident. Most of you know of my troubles with jumping in Yosemite. Back then I had three BASE rigs, two modern canopies and one old school Fox with a velcro container. My first time getting busted in Yosemite they allowed me to "buy" back my gear for 1,500, plus the 2,500 fine that went with being a "criminal". I figured I was just unlucky and continued jumping in the park. I ended up selling one of my rigs to help pay for the fine I had acquired. The second time, yes there was a second bust, they took my gear without the option of "buying" it back, gave me a $5000 fine and sent me to prison for 38 days.

I guess you could say that I learned my "lesson" after that. I was done jumping in National Parks and continued following my climbing and jumping passions elsewhere. That just left me with a very used old school velcro rig to play with, until I could afford some more modern gear. I adapted and learned to jump this older gear with precision and confidence. But, I started to notice that one of my brake settings was getting a bit frayed and needed replaced. This is where I should have been a lot more cautious about something new, but with 1000+ jumps, felt quite confident. Just like in climbing, it's best to experiment with singular differences rather than a handful, or even a couple of new variations. In this case, new brake lines and an exit that I had never experienced before. I should have taken them back to the bridge in Idaho or jumped an exit that I was very familiar with.

So, I was down in Moab mentoring my friend Dave who had 50+ jumps and hadn't been off a cliff, yet. He was doing all the right steps and I took him under my wing. We did a jump in Northern Utah and went down to Moab and hucked a couple of cliffs in Mineral Bottom, which he did great. The day of the accident, after picking up my repaired gear, we ran into Andy Lewis and came up with a plan for a sunset jump.

We were with one other jumper who was new and I voted that Andy goes first, the two new guys go in the middle and I go last. They had perfect exits, great openings with no wind. I jumped, probably took a tad longer delay than I should have, being it was a new exit with new brake lines and immediately had a 180 degree opening. I struck the cliff with my left foot and continued rag dolling down the cliff where I finally came to rest on a sloping ledge. I knew I was banged up but to my utter surprise my foot was flipped on its side looking very similar to a nalgene bottle with just a sliver of skin keeping it on.

My first thought was, I want to wiggle my toes, because this is the last time I will ever feel that sensation. Blood was squirting everywhere and I knew my only option was to somehow tourniquet it to stop the bleeding. I used my bridal (a flat piece of webbing) that attaches my pilot chute and canopy to wrap the ankle just above the open wound. I then used a stick and propelled it tighter and tighter until the spurts subsided. I yelled down that I needed a helicopter ASAP and that I lost my foot and might bleed out.

This is when Andy, Brent and a few other Moab locals jumped into action, also, Dave who is an EMT. It took about 45 minutes before they could get to me, drilled a three bolt anchor and had fixed lines set before SAR even got there. Setting up the lines saved the rescue a couple of hours of them getting me back to the road and most likely my life. I lost nearly three pints of blood and was very close to leaving this world by the time the helicopter got me to the hospital.

I was absolutely prepared to wake up the next morning, minus a foot. I joked about going full pirate mode with a peg leg but knew it could be a reality and was very sad about it. Somehow, they saved it. I'm not completely in the clear at this moment, due to possible infection... but, I survived.

Here is a link from a jump Dave and I did that shows how absolutely amazing BASE jumping can be:

http://vimeo.com/77666314

And here is the carnage... the dark side of BASE jumping:



Open compound fracture
Open compound fracture
Credit: ElCapPirate

Open compound injury
Open compound injury
Credit: ElCapPirate

Injury with fasciaotomy incision
Injury with fasciaotomy incision
Credit: ElCapPirate


So, the question is; Do we stand up and take the risks and have a blast enjoying your passion? Or, do we hide in the shadows, being afraid of what might happen if we are so bold to follow our dreams?
steveA

Trad climber
Wolfeboro, NH
Oct 29, 2013 - 07:31am PT
Ammon,

I had an injury which looked almost as bad as yours, in the same area.

Happened in Vietnam, and thought I was going to lose the foot.

One year later, I climbed the Nose and the Salathe.

You will be back at it for sure. Guys that have the drive to do what you do

will pull thru better than the average coach potato!
mcreel

climber
Barcelona
Oct 29, 2013 - 08:31am PT
Whoa, I'm very sorry about that injury, and I hope you heal up well. The clip showing the good jump is great, and your happiness when landing by the truck explains everything.
Norwegian

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Oct 29, 2013 - 08:34am PT
im sorry, sir.
now, on to the next chapter.

it's entirely yours to author,
and based on your story thus far,
i'm certain it will be remarkable.

Lasti

Trad climber
Budapest
Oct 29, 2013 - 08:35am PT
Applying bridal tourniquet
Taking pics for our viewing pleasure
Joking about peg-leg

All while looking at your own bones and tendons and muscles 'n stuff.

And then actually SMILING in the hospital.

Totally Badass.

Pirate, I salute you!

May you heal soon and go up and down walls they way you were meant to.

Lasti
John Mac

Trad climber
Littleton, CO
Oct 29, 2013 - 08:36am PT
Thanks for sharing and all the best for a good recovery!!!
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Oct 29, 2013 - 08:49am PT
Damn, that's gross. You acted quickly to stop the bleeding, and it sounds like the rescue was like clockwork. Some people would have just fainted there and bled to death but I guess you're good at handling pressure. It sounds like a story from the Vietnam war. I hope you get well soon and please save up and buy a new parachute for next time.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Oct 29, 2013 - 08:50am PT
Woah. That must take some steel to see your foot in that condition and remain present enough to take the actions you did. Also glad you were out there with a set of skilled friends who helped you get through the preparation for hand-off to the medical teams. I think that old saying "Hey - what are friends for?" would be an understatement here.

Hope the foot and leg heal up well, and glad that you are here to talk about it!
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Oct 29, 2013 - 08:53am PT
Damn, Ammon,

You are who I want to be if I croak and are re-born! Sorry about the foot, but in the old days, nobody made it to a hundred without spending time in plaster. Me included.

What you need is a little speech from Fight Club:

God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy sh#t we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off.

Heal up and keep fighting the war for us.
L

climber
California dreamin' on the farside of the world..
Oct 29, 2013 - 08:54am PT
Aaaarrrgggghh Ammon...you are One Tough Pirate Dude!

Caught enough mangled-foot-through-squinting-eyes to be seriously horrified...and then figured that if you could deal with this trauma as well as you are right now, by god you are going to do what it takes to heal yourself.

In the meantime I'm sending you healing vibes and a vision of your leg and foot working perfectly again one day.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Oct 29, 2013 - 08:55am PT
Sh#t, man. Bummer to hear this. Hope you get put back together correctly.

Edit; just watched your video. You're tough as nails, dude.
mike m

Trad climber
black hills
Oct 29, 2013 - 09:10am PT
Wow you are one tough dude. I am sure your level-headed ness saved your life. You are an inspiration to many of us here. Good luck with your recovery.
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Oct 29, 2013 - 09:24am PT
Whoa.. just whoa. Amazing how everyone kept their heads.

Wishing Ammon a speedy recovery.

Well, we know who's getting the Burt Bronson award of the year now ;)
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Oct 29, 2013 - 09:27am PT
Gore!!! Glad you're alive! F*#king A!!!
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Oct 29, 2013 - 09:39am PT
Best wishes to you. Rough injury. :/
T2

climber
Cardiff by the sea
Oct 29, 2013 - 09:58am PT
Glad your still with us ammon. Hoping to bump into you at the base or the summitt of the capitain again soon
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:00am PT
Holy Moley! I'd heard there was a rough film ....
Nice poise and clear head in the face of disaster!
A tip of the bandana/patch to you!

Happy healing!
Crack-N-Up

Big Wall climber
South of the Mason Dixon line
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:02am PT
This sux, but think he will get through this ok.
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:05am PT


Wow!!!...

Awful...

Sorry dude!!!...




Good thing is modern medicine/science is there by your side and I suspect you will be fine and back at it sooner than expected...

;-)

Port

Trad climber
San Diego
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:07am PT
Get well soon. Total Gnar.
5.samadhi

climber
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:08am PT
hey Ammon,

We've never met but I'd like to be on the load welcoming you back to base jumping after you recover...I've always admired you through your posts.

peace brother, heal well,

PM/email me if you need help sourcing some GH releasing peptides which will speed recovery drastically.
Heisenberg

Trad climber
RV, middle of Nowehere
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:14am PT
Ammon.

You know the answer to that last question you asked. We both do as we talked about it yesterday. It's part of the process of healing and finding answers.

The sails just had a little wind taken out of them that's all. You will be full steam ahead sooner than later.

Even at the bottom of this page as I type these words it states "Climbing is dangerous, Climb at your own risk"

When it should read " Life is dangerous, live it at your own risk"

See you again today.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:16am PT
Ammon has been living the life non-stop for sooooo long. I don't know anyone with his caliber of accomplishments other than Dean Potter, who also climbs and jumps.

Yeah, the foot is bad, but if they can save it, great. Modern prosthetics are also very good, and wouldn't slow him down much.

If you watch that video and how calm he was, well, that is pretty f*#king amazing. Totally calm. I really liked the "Sorry Mom...."

Let's all hoist one for the pirate.
can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:16am PT
Whoa dude, all the best in your recovery. That you seem so cavalier about it is a bit of a mind blower. All the best to you.
Powder

Trad climber
the Flower Box
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:22am PT
To world's toughest pirate,

Best wishes , heal up, and have a full recovery!!
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:25am PT
I think it's a given that Ammon gets the most G.N.A.R points of all time.

nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:26am PT
Whoa.... that's gnarly. Heal up quick brother!

Arrrrgh!
eKat

Trad climber
Less than a second shy of 49 minutes
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:28am PT

I think it's a given that Ammon gets the most G.N.A.R points of all time.

DAMN!

I'll say!

So very, very sorry, darling man! I hope you are feeling better every minute of the day!

ox
MisterE

climber
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:28am PT
Heal fast and well, Ammon!
tinker b

climber
the commonwealth
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:29am PT
when i first started to read this, i was hoping it was last years accident until i saw the date.
shit bro. i am so glad to hear you still have a foot. remember that you are super human and have healing powers beyond comprehension.
sending healing thoughts from sardenia.
big love,
jo-lynne
and i guess i can no longer call you too domestic for a pirate.
and give us an address to send cards and grogg

i just watched the video (turning away when your foot apeared). you are the toughest mother f*#ker i know. unbelievable.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:32am PT
Yuck!

Hang in there. If you are looking for a good orthopedic surgeon PM me.

That was Mineral Canyon?
It is haunted by Earl Redfern's ghost.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:53am PT
Thanks for the update Ammon. That you even took the time during this to answer so many questions you knew folks would have is a very cool thing. I'm as impressed by your consideration for others as I am by your ability to keep it together. Badass on a lot of levels.

Really sucked reading the first lines of the OPs post last night..kind of stuff you dread hearing.

You know we are all pulling for a fantastic recovery.
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:55am PT
Also have not met you, but would not mind meeting you in one piece! Good luck with recovering and stay safe!
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:57am PT
This has pushed you over the top to be officially the most badass dude on the planet.

Most people would be screaming and freaking out and the most we get out of THE pirate is a quick "it hurts".
ionlyski

Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:59am PT
Geez! I just met my new hero. You are tough and calm at the same time. I can't believe you weren't just freaking out and crying like the baby I know I would be. But you also seemed to know exactly what was going on. I don't think you have too much to learn from this; rather we are all fortunate to learn from you. You'll do what you do which is live an extraordinary life I'm sure.

Take care,
Arne
WBraun

climber
Oct 29, 2013 - 11:09am PT
Holy sh!t !!!!!

That one is baaaaddd!!!!

I've seen a few like that.

One guy with both like that after a ground fall.

Ammon you're tough m'fuker though.

Those doctors did a magnificent job putting you (Humphrey Dumphrey) back together again.

Best wishes to your complete recovery .......

crunch

Social climber
CO
Oct 29, 2013 - 11:11am PT
All the best Ammon. Hope the foot heals up okay.

Sorry the desert treated you so bad!

Crusher
kaholatingtong

Trad climber
Nevada City
Oct 29, 2013 - 11:12am PT
Ammon, we never met and I often just lurk but in this case I feel compelled. I know everyone is saying this here but I cant help myself. You are one BADASS MOFO, and that calm head might have saved your life. without hearing specific details on your surgery, let me be the first to welcome you into the world of metal enhanced bionics. Welcome to the cool club. Just do your PT and you will be doing your sh#t again all in good time.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Potemkin Village
Oct 29, 2013 - 11:22am PT
So, the question is; Do we stand up and take the risks and have a blast enjoying our passion? Or, do we hide in the shadows, being afraid of what might happen if we are so bold to follow our dreams?

You ARE a modern day Teddy Roosevelt. Respect to you, big time. You exemplify human strength.

Best wishes for a full recovery.
canyoncat

Social climber
SoCal
Oct 29, 2013 - 11:26am PT
Dude, if there are men out there who are harder than you, I'm not sure I want to know about 'em. Totally hard core and bad to the bone ;)

Best wishes for a complete recovery!!!
Leggs

Sport climber
Tucson, AZ
Oct 29, 2013 - 11:38am PT
Whoa...holy sh#t balls.
Ammon... heal up fast...keep that fine spirit up!
rwedgee

Ice climber
canyon country,CA
Oct 29, 2013 - 12:07pm PT
Wow !! I thought Largo's was bad. Way to keep it together in a bad situation. I hope you have a fast and full recovery.

Just curious...are you insured and what does something like that cost ?
My old GF had a bad break to the tune of $36K, no insurance.
A5scott

Trad climber
Chicago
Oct 29, 2013 - 12:10pm PT
Please get better soon man! prayers and mojo sent! I wanna see you riding the high seas of granite! heal fast, like you always do!

scott
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Oct 29, 2013 - 12:15pm PT
Hope you have a fast and full recovery.
Brian

climber
California
Oct 29, 2013 - 12:16pm PT
Wow. Great reactions from everyone involved in the response to the accident (Ammon and his friends and the SAR folks). Glad to hear that a solid recovery seems possible. I first met you years ago when you were running the JMT. Hope to see you healed and able to run again soon!

Brian
SatanBunny

Trad climber
Valparaiso, IN
Oct 29, 2013 - 12:19pm PT
Arrrg Ammon, let me know if some Pirate's PIls will help...
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Oct 29, 2013 - 12:22pm PT
Holy!!! That's a nasty wound!

Quick action and calmness on your part probably saved the foot, and yer life. Nice rescue on your buddies' parts too.

Glad to hear you're doing (somewhat) better. Now, heal up!
Morgan

Trad climber
East Coast
Oct 29, 2013 - 12:22pm PT
Way to stay cool under pressure, Ammon. I'm sure all the stuff you have done over the years helped prepare you for this moment. Glad you had a solid crew along, too. Heal well and quickly!
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Oct 29, 2013 - 12:24pm PT
Ron O, the jump was really close to town below the Moab Rim Trail.

Ammon is so bad ass. Living life on the lunitic fringe.

Nice job on the rescue guys and way to keep it together Ammon.

Cheers Bro. See you soon.
GhoulweJ

Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
Oct 29, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
Ammon, you'll "walk it off" in no time.
Heal strong.
radair

Social climber
North Conway, NH
Oct 29, 2013 - 12:32pm PT
Badass is right. Great job to you and your bros to get yourself out of there alive. I am sure you will be back strong with or without that foot.

Best wishes on your recovery.
Skot433

Big Wall climber
Corona CA.
Oct 29, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
Good vibes sent your way. Heal quick, I'll be looking for the motivation your sends give all of us.
Rhodo-Router

Gym climber
sawatch choss
Oct 29, 2013 - 12:37pm PT
Good luck there cap'n! Do the PT like it's your job and don't be afraid to ask for help...could be a long process.
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Oct 29, 2013 - 12:41pm PT
Damnmed!! that think looked gnarly. Glad the accident was not worse and hope you can get back out there soon. Best of luck on recovery.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Oct 29, 2013 - 12:44pm PT
Geez, that looks nasty. Best wishes for a full and speedy recovery.

Curt
John cameron

Trad climber
Park City, UT
Oct 29, 2013 - 12:51pm PT
thanks for posting an update. that injury is high gnar. best of luck on the recovery.
Rankin

Social climber
Greensboro, North Carolina
Oct 29, 2013 - 12:58pm PT
Ammon, that is some gnarly sh#t. I wish you all the luck in the world in your recovery.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 29, 2013 - 12:58pm PT
Ammon-- i LOVED the comment to your Mom.. Nothing like a sudden clash with mortality to bring the family into thought! You sir,, are a badazz....Heal well and quick!!!!


and ill pray for a TOTAL recovery- foot and all! But im THANKFUL your just alive,,dooood!
John M

climber
Oct 29, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
Whoa.. You are one tough man. I agree that most folks would have just bled out. My hats off to you. You are a serious inspiration of what the human spirit is capable of when faced with adversity. I am completely blown away.

I pray that you heal up soon. Keep your head up. You are definitely an inspiration.

You aren't this body. You are more then this body. A body is just a tool for the human spirit. Face your fears and keep going. You have certainly shown that you are capable of that.

John Musgrove
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Oct 29, 2013 - 01:36pm PT
Well its good that he was close to town.

Hope he has a good doc.
39 years ago this month I got hit by a rock that crushed my ankle.
The doc then said I was never going to climb again.
The following July I put up Pervertical Sanctuary.

Just keep up the positive attitude.
Hell, look at Linsey Vonn, healed up for the Olympics a hundred days from now.
JohnnyG

climber
Oct 29, 2013 - 01:48pm PT
wow Ammon! Glad to hear you are still breathing. Hope you heal fast.
PAUL SOUZA

Trad climber
Central Valley, CA
Oct 29, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
Hope you have a fast recovery Ammon!

TYeary

Social climber
State of decay
Oct 29, 2013 - 02:08pm PT
Good to see you're in one piece, more or less. Ditto what Werner said. Heal well Mate.
TY
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Oct 29, 2013 - 02:09pm PT
Bad as that looks, and it looks horrendous, it's amazing what they can do to repair busted bones, even compound fractures. I suspect you are looking at some muscle grafts to fill in those holes but with any luck the tib and fig can be bolted and plated back together and the tendons reattached.

If by chance you also blew out the joint, like I did, you're in for some pretty heavy lifting. I have a lot of nerve damage and I suspect you do as well, but you can get better over time. At worst, you'll be on a prosthetic but guys are running in the Olympics with those these days so it's not game over by any means. The worst part is the accident itself. Very sorry you had to go through that one, my brother.

You have a great attitude, Aamon, and that's half of it. But this one will test your patients.

I hope you don't have to have too much plastic surgery to fill the hole left by the compound fracture, but they are very good with that procedure these days. Mine looked like this:

Muscle Graft
Muscle Graft
Credit: Largo

You'll come back from this, Aamon. I'll call you later.

JL
looking sketchy there...

Social climber
Latitute 33
Oct 29, 2013 - 02:14pm PT
Very sorry to hear (and see) about your accident. Glad your friends facilitated a relatively quick rescue and transport. Best wishes with your recovery.
Matt Thomsen

Big Wall climber
Places
Oct 29, 2013 - 02:16pm PT
Damn! Get well soon Ammon!
Heyzeus

climber
Hollywood,Ca
Oct 29, 2013 - 02:18pm PT
You know Ammon, I haven't seen you in a long time, but I've followed along on you a little bit nonetheless, and from BITD when you first showed up in the Valley, till this moment, I've always been very impressed with you as a human being. I'm not really talking about your toughness and mental fortitude that you have in spades, but it's these other qualities that you possess that really blows me away. I don't know if I can describe it, it's just a certain embodiment of human that you express in your life. You have more than my respect. You'll be in my thoughts and prayers. I so wish I could offer you more.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Oct 29, 2013 - 02:18pm PT
hope you have a fast recovery!
stay safe bro!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 29, 2013 - 02:35pm PT
im not going to get into a SCAR contest with either LARGO OR AMMON! You guys WIN!
deuce4

climber
Hobart, Australia
Oct 29, 2013 - 02:35pm PT
Ammon, chief badass bigwall base pirate of all time. I was sickened to read the first post, but glad to read on and see things are healing well. Stay hungry, take care, and remember there are always new ways to be badass! Cheers.
nopantsben

climber
Oct 29, 2013 - 02:39pm PT
heal up well, Ammon!
Double D

climber
Oct 29, 2013 - 02:41pm PT
Best wishes and prayers for a complete recovery...
dindolino32

climber
san francisco
Oct 29, 2013 - 02:42pm PT
I would love to make him a prosthetic leg (he would beat the sh#t out of it and put our industry to the test), but hopefully it heals up and the ankle isn't all jacked up.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Oct 29, 2013 - 02:45pm PT
that's a hell of a way to get more art time...best to you.
Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO
Oct 29, 2013 - 03:00pm PT
That's gross Ammon! Let's not do that again.

I don't know anyone with his caliber of accomplishments other than Dean Potter, who also climbs and jumps.
awesome 104.
covelocos

Trad climber
Oct 29, 2013 - 03:02pm PT
I'M CALLING BULL!!! HAPPY HALLOWEEN!!!!!!!!!!!
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Oct 29, 2013 - 03:03pm PT
He was so calm. What a bad ass.

Speedy Recovery.
mucci

Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
Oct 29, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
Yowza!

jTaylor

climber
North Shore Massachusetts
Oct 29, 2013 - 03:10pm PT
Heal well, yarrg
adrian korosec

climber
Tucson
Oct 29, 2013 - 03:16pm PT
DO NOT look at this FB pic. Good to see you smiling Ammon...you are strong and brave. Good luck.
JayMark

Social climber
Oxnard, CA
Oct 29, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
Best wishes and a speedy recovery Ammon.

John Moore
C3344
bixquite

Social climber
humboldt nation
Oct 29, 2013 - 03:45pm PT
knee boarding Jaws still an option...
get well soon bro, much love from the humboldt massive
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Oct 29, 2013 - 03:46pm PT


Ammon said:
"It was a jump off the Moab Rim."
Another Classic Rim Job.

Add me to the long list of well-wishers and hope for a speedy healing up process.




bergbryce

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Oct 29, 2013 - 03:53pm PT
Quite a story. I'd like to give you and your buddies props for your role in what sounds like a well executed self rescue.

Best of luck to you and your recovery.
phylp

Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
Oct 29, 2013 - 03:56pm PT
Hey Ammon, thanks for posting that photo of your foot. That's really going to help me with my diet today - I completely lost my appetite.

Seriously though, I'm sorry you are going through this and I wish you all the best for a complete recovery.
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Oct 29, 2013 - 04:38pm PT

Ammon-- i LOVED the comment to your Mom
And here is The Mom....as tough as Ammon <br/>
And here is The Mom....as tough as Ammon

Credit: SCseagoat

Can't believe it, the man is made of sterner stuff than mere mortals....I saw with my own eyes Ammon WIGGLE HIS TOES ON THE INJURED FOOT!

Susan, Ammon and Michael
Susan, Ammon and Michael
Credit: SCseagoat
How could someone have just gone through everything he did and be so "with it"?

Extra special props to his Mom....cool, calm, collected...clearly the apple didn't roll far from the tree!

Heal fast, heal well!
Susan
Deekaid

climber
Oct 29, 2013 - 04:40pm PT
Steve A thank you for your service in Vietnam ....Mr. McNeely, Wishes for a full recovery
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Oct 29, 2013 - 04:42pm PT

the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Oct 29, 2013 - 04:46pm PT
^^ LOL.
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Oct 29, 2013 - 04:49pm PT
Good luck healing up dude. Good job with the tourniquet and keeping it together.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 29, 2013 - 04:55pm PT
No chyt eh NUTJOB!

The whole scene was well oiled- Ammon cool enough under severe shock to cut the flow and even elevated it. And the team for fixing the rescue ropes while help was being dispatched.

Thanks AMMON AND TEAM! When i first saw the title,, i DIDNT want to open it..



edit: And Susan thanks for the MOM shot! His MOM>>??? What,, did she have Ammon when she was 10?!!!!!!
Fluoride

Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA/Joshua Tree
Oct 29, 2013 - 05:08pm PT
Nothing short of remarkable Ammon.

I can't believe how calm you are in that video.

You are officially the hardest hardman ever.

Heal up well. SO glad they were able to save your foot...and your life from how much blood you lost.

Beth
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Oct 29, 2013 - 05:18pm PT
I guess I'm an optimist because when I saw the thread title I thought great he's done something cool or gotten some well deserved recognition.


Speaking about pain a little anecdote:

In my teens I smashed my foot/ankle up colliding with another dirt bike. Something like 4 or 5 broken bones.

You know when they ask you in the hospital what pain level are you at on a scale of 1 to 10? I always thought a 9 was multiple broken bones like my ankle, and 10 would be one step worse. But then I got appendicitis. Ho man, that's pain. I waited until my temp was 105 before I went to the hospital (waited too long) I checked in, then I lay down on the floor of the ER so they'd take care of me right away. The pain would come in waves each worse than the last. It got to the point where I was blacking out, full on tunnel vision, watching the blackness creep in from the periphery, then receding as the pain went away.

They sent in a intern with another guy telling him how to give me a shot for the pain and I was like "you know normally I'd be all for helping someone learn something, but I need the meds NOW!" They asked "what's your pain level" and I said "10! and now I know multiple broken bones is at best a 7"
Deekaid

climber
Oct 29, 2013 - 05:38pm PT
I actually just watched the video and all I can say is son of a bitch... your badassness brought tears to my eyes
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Oct 29, 2013 - 05:40pm PT
Gnarly dude!!!
Way to keep it together while on the ledge.
Mad props to the team.
Healing vibes sent!!!
Tad
Sewellymon

climber
.....in a single wide......
Oct 29, 2013 - 05:41pm PT
+1 what Beth said

Ultimate Hard Man Points for videoing your almost- severed foot with calm, dispassionate commentary intersped with "Hey Rescuers! Over here !!".
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Oct 29, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
You warned us but....

Duuude! If I never seen one of those again it will be fine with me.

Talk about grace under pressure. Truly a hardman response. Really impressive.

Best wishes for speedy recovery.
Stevee B

Trad climber
Oakland, CA
Oct 29, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
The human body is an amazing thing. Heal up man!
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 29, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
So, the question is; Do we stand up and take the risks and have a blast enjoying your passion? Or, do we hide in the shadows, being afraid of what might happen if we are so bold to follow our dreams?



Very stooooooooooopid question cus you have already lived the answer.


No big deal Ammon. This is just a minor set back and another challenge. It will take time to heal but you will return. That is if you want to. Which you already know the answer to that.

Hell, you needed a break anyhow. This will just give you more time to spend with the Familia and Friends.


You most assuredly will be back on the Wall next summer.


Shet Happens Amigo.... NEVER QUIT!






##### I can say this after surviving two helo crashes, one of which killed my co-HAC, three skull fractures, one of which was open, being shot at and being the happy recipient of shrapnel in both the skull and in the rt upper gut causing the loss of 1/3 of my liver, three knee surgeries, one of which was to repair a dislocated fibula and completely blown out posterior portion of the left knee, an open compound of the left tib after a total primary chute malfunction then only a partial 2ndary opening down on the the Pole and finally open heart surgery at the age of 12.


JLP

Social climber
The internet
Oct 29, 2013 - 06:16pm PT
Good on your partners for getting you out of there quickly.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Oct 29, 2013 - 06:16pm PT
Burly! Glad you made it. stay strong.
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Oct 29, 2013 - 06:25pm PT
Great you have friends to visit and that you can wiggle your toes. A very good sign. Looks like you have a Wound Vac hooked up to that rig, just under the external fixator. Man, I feel you on that, buddy. You're doing great and we gotta love the Jolly Roger.

JL
Deekaid

climber
Oct 29, 2013 - 06:30pm PT
thank you also for your service the chief there are really some incredible old timers on this site... oldtimer definitely being a compliment especially with the state of the youth today
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Oct 29, 2013 - 06:33pm PT
Best of luck for a full recovery, Ammon. You've got some golden partners.
krahmes

Social climber
Stumptown
Oct 29, 2013 - 06:34pm PT
Well if it is any consolation, you are going viral on reddit WTF:

http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/1phhs3/when_base_jumping_goes_bad_nsfw/

Get healed up. Great prognosis on a bad deal.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Oct 29, 2013 - 06:38pm PT
The mom shot!
Great stuff Susan & Mike wish I could have joined you today!

Man Ammon, you're one tough blackbeard!
WBraun

climber
Oct 29, 2013 - 07:48pm PT
There is a funny story in BASE jumping lore about this.

A girlfriend was filming her boyfriend do a building jump.
He jumps off and has the same situation as this guy, so he hits the building busting threw the window.
The pressure change blows the canopy and him back out of the building spinning up and sending him flying across the street.
Then he impacts another building, finally getting every thing situated and landing normally.
When he lands he immediately starts screaming at his girlfriend to see if she got it on video.
Alas she dropped the camera after the first impact :)
Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO
Oct 29, 2013 - 07:53pm PT
Oklahoma BASE story Werner, Mike Hoover I believe.
labrat

Trad climber
Auburn, CA
Oct 29, 2013 - 08:14pm PT
"open heart surgery at the age of 12"

Chief....Shouldn't this be first instead of last?
The guy above

climber
Across the pond
Oct 29, 2013 - 08:16pm PT
Oh man, that's sucks donkey's arse..

I'm just going through the healing process of the same injury minus the open wound from another BASE jump gone bananas, and still have fresh in my memory the waiting for SAR with the foot just hanging there and all the thoughts, doubts and uncertainty racing through my head.

5 weeks down the line now and it's amazing what the body can do with the help of a bit of metal and some tlc, and i'm now looking at putting my foot back on the ground for the first time some time this coming week.

Heal fast dude, some down time and the right attitude will see you through it before you know it.

For what is worth, here is some encouragement SOFPIDARF style. Get your address in to claim your free t-shirt ;-) http://www.facebook.com/groups/sofpidarf/permalink/10151828157563778/


east side underground

climber
Hilton crk,ca
Oct 29, 2013 - 08:21pm PT
wow ! hope the doctors can save your foot, truly inspiring , the level of calm with such a burly injury, heal up well .Cheers
RP3

Big Wall climber
Sonora
Oct 29, 2013 - 08:23pm PT
That video is one of the gnarliest things I have ever seen. Good luck with the recovery!
perswig

climber
Oct 29, 2013 - 08:23pm PT
Nobody has summoned Monty Python?

"It's only a flesh wound!"



Props and wishes on full recov from us on the East coast.
Dale
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Oct 29, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
Front page of Reddit, heal fast bro! :)
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Oct 29, 2013 - 08:47pm PT
Just stick him back together with Original Equipment Manufacturer parts:

duct tape, toilet paper, empty O.E. cans, and a bit of ingenuity.

Good as new by next spring! See you on the bridge, may-tee! Heal well!
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Oct 29, 2013 - 09:15pm PT
It really doesn't look that bad......








































((((((((((((((( HOLY F*#K DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ))))))))))))))
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Oct 29, 2013 - 09:33pm PT
It's true, not everyone would have thought to make a go pro video about this for their friends.
Gilroy

Social climber
Bolderado
Oct 29, 2013 - 09:36pm PT
We are here to laugh at the odds and live our lives so well that Death will tremble to take us.
    Charles Bukowski,

You set the standard. Much respect.

Keith
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Oct 29, 2013 - 09:42pm PT
I am in awe, Ammon
you really are one extraordinary person, keeping it so together...

Glad to hear that you've got that chance to mend.

Once again, my best wishes going your way. Hope to see you in the Valley in the not too distant future.
Ferretlegger

Trad climber
san Jose, CA
Oct 29, 2013 - 09:59pm PT
Hey Ammon,
Seeing you today was an amazing experience. Your attitude and affect after such a horrendous experience were truly awesome. All props to your mom, too. She seems like a powerful woman, and it was very nice to meet her. You are blessed to have her!! But you got off easy. I was all pumped up to grill you on several walls I want to do. The prospect of having you captive, with no way to run away while I hassled you for details of the 10th pitch, or the pin rack was quite intoxicating. Only pity stayed my hand... It's a real pity that Susan was there and threatened to cut me up in little pieces if I wasn't on my best behavior that stayed my hand.

Hang in there. We are all rooting for you, and I am sure that as the spring wall season rolls around that you will be gearing up for another good one.

All the best,
Michael
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:01pm PT
Holy crap, I just watched the video! Oh my gosh....

Ammon, you are Bad to the Bone! Do you have any bones you haven't broken yet??
deeski

Trad climber
North Carolina
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:20pm PT
Sending positive thoughts and energy to you from the mountains of North Carolina!!! I am so sorry that this happened Ammon and I am so glad that your Mom is there with you!!!
Dee
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:36pm PT
Almost FUBAR, but not quite. Good on you for keeping the shee together and cheers to those that got you down.
BrassNuts

Trad climber
Save your a_s, reach for the brass...
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:39pm PT
Way to keep it together in a really gnarrrrrrly situation. Glad you got out of there quickly, good work to all involved. Best wishes for a full and speedy recovery, so you can get back to where you usually rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr :-)
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:39pm PT
John Hoover (RIP) was the guy who flew through the window and landed on a one story building across the street. Like Hankster's similar incident he needed only a ton of stitches. They drove around for an hour and ended up going to an ER across the street from the building. I missed the jump by a day driving down from the valley.

John was my bro.

That video will go down in history. Sorry mom.....Classic...

No whining.

I'll PM you an address to send all of those unneeded pain meds to for proper disposal.

edit: I have a poor but useable copy of Hoover's building strike. I need to figure out how to burn it to something digital. It is pretty wild.

When things go really wrong in BASE, sometimes even the best can't fix it in time. A blown brake setting will throw you into a hard spin, and my guess is that he hit the wall very hard and took it on that foot. All of us have had our parachutes open facing the object. You gotta be quick for that, but doable. A spinning malfunction like a blown break setting is nigh impossible from that low height. Those are mainly short cliffs around Moab.
selfish man

Gym climber
Austin, TX
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:43pm PT
Heal quickly and well, Ammon. Met you once at JTree and thought: how can a guy be so solid and so fuc..n nuts at the same time?!!!! Hope to see you on the rock in no time...
Brunosafari

Boulder climber
OR
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:49pm PT

Well, this is one of the most impressive examples of film/video journalism I have ever seen or can imagine.

Ammon, I am so glad you survived this! Eat your spinach! Bruce
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:51pm PT
WHOA!!!

Just saw this.
Heal up WELL, Mr Ammon!


Cosmic
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:52pm PT

Oh so glad you are wiggling those toes.
Heal up Ammon, you'll be doing it again!
gunsmoke

Mountain climber
Clackamas, Oregon
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:55pm PT
Ammon, simply unbelievable. Nothing to say that hasn't been said. Wishing you a full recovery.
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:56pm PT
"sorry Mom"

I'm guessing this is neither the first, not the last time those words have passed Ammon's lips :)
BooDawg

Social climber
Butterfly Town
Oct 29, 2013 - 11:05pm PT
I sure hope you heal up quickly and thoroughly, Ammon!
TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Oct 29, 2013 - 11:10pm PT
You made it to this side of the story. Hoping for a fast and full recovery!
Michelle

Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
Oct 29, 2013 - 11:11pm PT
So I guess this is the new HTFU video.


Heal up soon!

Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Oct 29, 2013 - 11:18pm PT
Hey now Mr. Ammon! Sorry you are going through a rough patch . . . nothing a man of you caliber can't handle. Please feel free to contact me if you need any additional support. Ridgway is not too far from GJ. Seriously Brother, we are all here to help one another.
TheTye

Trad climber
Sacramento CA
Oct 29, 2013 - 11:25pm PT
Bump because that video is F-ing crazy and Awesome (I don't mean that it is awesome that he got hurt).

All wellness to you man. Anybody that can weather an injury like that so well deserves a 100% recovery!
elAndy

Trad climber
El Portal, CA
Oct 29, 2013 - 11:30pm PT
All of us are hoping for a speedy recovery brother! You have inspired countless wannabe climbers (myself included) with your endless spirit and we are all here with you.

Best of luck bro and next time you're in El Portal, you got a beer and a couch.

ae.
Lambone

Big Wall climber
Ashland, Or
Oct 30, 2013 - 12:16am PT
Add me to the list of folks that almost lost their lunch at the sight of Ammon's foot today.
john hansen

climber
Oct 30, 2013 - 12:18am PT
Wow , amazingly calm.

You said you took a 180 degree turn. I take it that means that your shute swung you around into the wall and that was the impact that broke your leg.

So was this an equipment failure? Not completely familiar with BASE....

How far did you "tumble" after you struck the wall. or did you re- gain control of your chute? Trying to picture the movie..

Incredible what doctors can do these days.

westhegimp

Social climber
granada hills
Oct 30, 2013 - 12:18am PT
Good job being alive.
Wishing you a full and speedy recovery.
Thanks for the pics and video. I am feeling real queezy now.
Wes
Willoughby

Social climber
Truckee, CA
Oct 30, 2013 - 12:21am PT
As gnarly as the leg was, what broke my heart was the look of self-disappointment all over your face. I know that look. And one can imagine once you have the tourniquet on and have a little time to think, the wheels are spinning about what's next, how long, what's this gonna cost, will I ever again...? It's a terrible moment to face, but you faced it with impressive calm dignity, courage, and control. Well done, sir. Heal quickly and heal well!!
Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...
Oct 30, 2013 - 12:21am PT
Day time here, night time.
Glad this is looking better (certainly no pun intended there!)
Hang in there badazz lots of folks pulling for you
and certainly you have the power and strength.

Wild how they took that leg (1st photo) and straighten it out and cleaned it up (2nd).
clinker

Trad climber
California
Oct 30, 2013 - 12:22am PT
That is one really tough MFer.

Get back to it soon.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 30, 2013 - 12:32am PT
Nobody has mentioned the Doc that somehow put that leg back together-- IN-FRIGGIN-CREDIBLE! Hats off to that team!!
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Oct 30, 2013 - 12:36am PT
Ammon get your ass healed up. We have some climbing to do.

DMT
Andrew Barnes

Ice climber
Albany, NY
Oct 30, 2013 - 12:59am PT
Hope the leg feels better and you make a good recovery.
I can't imagine how painful it must have been, and am amazed that you made the video, and were shouting back and forth to the rescuers during the video. Best wishes for healing.
Da_Dweeb

climber
Oct 30, 2013 - 01:10am PT
Praying for you, good sir pirate.
shipoopoi

Big Wall climber
oakland
Oct 30, 2013 - 01:38am PT
wow, that is one gnarly video. ammon, you are a ten on the tough mofo meter, right up there with aaron ralston, the guy who cut off his entrapped hand in a slot canyon in utah.

umm, i guess i might be the first to say that maybe this is not the most sustainable sport for you ammon.

of course, this is from somebody whose only goal in life is to grow old with his wife.

i still do gnarly aid routes, but i consider this a lot safer than base jumping.

anyway, all the best ammon for your recovery from and the wife and myself, we love you bro

Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...
Oct 30, 2013 - 01:44am PT
Yes Ron amazing work our medical folks do on a daily basis!
Humans never cease to amaze me.

Edit: and speaking of medical folks, Riley I don't think I have ever thanked you for all the work you do day in and day out- people like you working to heal and mend and support those that are struggling- sincere appreciations to you sir and any other docs, nurses, etc out there that read this!!!!
Fluoride

Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA/Joshua Tree
Oct 30, 2013 - 01:44am PT
Well said Willoughby.
shipoopoi

Big Wall climber
oakland
Oct 30, 2013 - 02:04am PT
to john hansen, i don't base jump, never have and never will, but i have been around it for years, have had two friends have wall strikes, and have had bone breaking luck myself with parapenting.

you asked if it was equipment failure. i would say no, that ammon is admitting that he did 2 things wrong
1) he did not test his new brake lines. he should have spent a day or two at the drop zone, a popular parachuting site near lodi california to check out his new lines. he was flying an old rig, and should have been taking every precaution possible to use it
2) he used a new exit...base slang for launch point. he might have gotten away with using a familiar site that was more forgiving.

i am using my intuition partly on base104's chiming in that it is hard to recover at low altitudes from a malfunctioning brake line. of course base 104 is the real expert here, i would defer to whatever he says on this thread.

of those two other friends that had wall strikes
one hit the face of half dome and broke his leg
another 180ed into the wall, but presumably at a lesser speed, and was able to fly backward(a very tricky thing to do) out of danger and landed unhurt

cheers, steve schneider
More Air

Trad climber
S.L.C.
Oct 30, 2013 - 09:11am PT
Sorry about the horrible accident Ammon. I remember the first time I met you was at the Pizza & Noddle Restaurant in Zion. You and Flyin Brian had just escaped death on Angels Landing with that big block that pulled off. You showed us your badly bruised arm...with a smile. I think you actually took the next day off! Stay your usual positive self, prayers are with you.

Brian
TwistedCrank

climber
Bungwater Hollow, Ida-ho
Oct 30, 2013 - 09:29am PT
Umm. Well, that'll leave a mark.

It'll be a cool scar. At least Ammon's got that going for him.
WanderlustMD

Trad climber
New England
Oct 30, 2013 - 10:56am PT
Three cheers for modern medicine.
Get better soon, Ammon
Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO
Oct 30, 2013 - 11:25am PT
of course base 104 is the real expert here, i would defer to whatever he says on this thread.

104 is an expert about everything regarding modern BASE jumping...
Blakey

Trad climber
Sierra Vista
Oct 30, 2013 - 11:37am PT
Eeek - That is quite something,

You are no less cool than your reputation suggests.........

Heal up and get back to it.

Bon Voyage,

Steve
Heisenberg

Trad climber
RV, middle of Nowehere
Oct 30, 2013 - 11:46am PT
J. Hansen.

Various things can cause off heading openings.
PC occilation ( causing a double pendulum)
Body position
Brake setting being off (Deep brakes / shallow brakes)
Line set different length
Wind
Throw the PC too hard

It's the unknown when you exit. There are so many variables beyond a jumpers control on opening

There is a jumper here who might tell the story who had " the perfect pack job " ...... he had a gnarly 180



AbeFrohman

Trad climber
new york, NY
Oct 30, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
Been a long time since I posted.
Get well fast dude! Eat some sausage. Does a body good.
AlanDoak

Trad climber
Boulder, CO
Oct 30, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
You've got a huge heart Ammon, you're one of the most enthusiastic and supportive people I ever met in the Valley scene.

Best wishes on a speedy and complete recovery.
hellroaring

Trad climber
San Francisco
Oct 30, 2013 - 12:41pm PT
Ammon, my son wants to be you when he grows up...stay strong, heal up, lean on those many friends you seem to have...god bless, the future is unwritten...
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Oct 30, 2013 - 01:43pm PT
So I guess this is the new HTFU video.

Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Oct 30, 2013 - 01:47pm PT
A lingering question remains, though. What's on that go pro before the aftermath scene? Didn't you get a video of the jump itself?
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Oct 30, 2013 - 01:50pm PT
104 is an expert about everything regarding modern BASE jumping...

This is an inside joke. I am from the dark ages. A lot of things are still the same, though. I am way out of the modern scene, though.

Hank also likes to jump low objects. There just isn't time to deal with much of a problem at that altitude. The canopy rides can be super short.

I never had an object strike, but came close a couple of times. Anything spinning, such as a blown break line, takes a full second to realize. he would have had to cut the other one loose and use the risers, or one riser and one toggle. There just isn't enough time when you pull low. Object strikes can happen to anyone, depending on how overhung the object is. Hank still has the top all time object strike story in BASE.

I always preferred the long delays to the short ones.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 30, 2013 - 01:53pm PT
as a former "normal" sky diver,, i tend to work myself up to maybe getting into base,, then one of these incidents come up.. And i start thinking,, AIRPLANES are a heck of a lot safer..


Ammon,, im NOT WORTHY!!!!!!!!!
Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO
Oct 30, 2013 - 02:17pm PT
No 104, not so much an inside joke. I have plenty of "longer delay" jumps. You've just made a couple of funny pronouncements so far and I thought it was.. well funny that's all. Carry on buddy. logging out for awhile.
new world order2

climber
Oct 30, 2013 - 02:19pm PT
Give yourself this time Ammon, to heal. For time heals all wounds.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 30, 2013 - 02:56pm PT
OK,, this nags at my brain- down deep. I once had a buddy who had told me that he had been "pushing his angels" and that he knew he should give things a rest and re focus. I WISH NOW that i had forced that upon him somehow. He did not give up pushing things and died at the base of the leaning tower on a November day.

SO the question is, WHEN do we say when? My buddy KNEW he should but didnt, and i knew he should but couldnt. I wish he had said "when".
When i read the OP title, i instantly thought,," this isnt going to be good." Odds are a fickle thing..
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Oct 30, 2013 - 03:02pm PT
Only the one living it can decide that. There is validity in pushing it knowing the odds are not in your favor forever and validity in going for the long haul.

YER GUNNA DIE. Are you gunna live? The balance of that equation is for the each to decide. The right answer is different for us all. Try not to have too many regrets.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 30, 2013 - 03:05pm PT
Seriously,, most of us INCLUDING AMMON, have already lived a few lives worth- compared to the average..;-D
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Oct 30, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
Yer buddy left an amazing legacy behind Ron. In it's way an inheritance for his family that is hard to match in REAL value.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 30, 2013 - 03:13pm PT
He did indeed.. But i still miss him. And so does the rest of the world. Deep down i know he truly wanted to stop. I talked with him a week before about going hunting- he was wanting a change.. Just onnnnnnne more eh....


cant fathom its going to soon be 15 years...And HE LIVES within his daughter Emma- Shes a spittin image with his Spirit.!!
Ottawa Doug

Social climber
Ottawa, Canada
Oct 30, 2013 - 04:09pm PT
Holy $hit. I know that I'm not tough enough to look at the video, so I won't, BUT I am wishing you all the best Ammon. Heal fast and heal well.
You are always psyching everyone else up for their adventures as you have done for me in the past. Now is the time to use that psyche on yourself. Wishing you all the best bro.

Cheers,
Doug
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Oct 30, 2013 - 05:18pm PT
hey there say...

since the cat is out of the bag...
i think it is okay to share this...

ammon had surgery today, so keep him in your prayers...
and send out best wishes, etc...
thetennisguy

Mountain climber
Yuba City, CA
Oct 30, 2013 - 06:24pm PT
Hope you recover quickly Ammon! I'm glad you are in good spirits. You are in our thoughts and prayers.
T R

climber
Ca.
Oct 30, 2013 - 07:41pm PT
Holy sheit!!! GNARLY!! You are one Bad Ass Mofo. I hope your leg heals well, Ammon. -Ted
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Oct 30, 2013 - 07:51pm PT
Ammon you have my respect and admiration. Hang tough!
Studly

Trad climber
WA
Oct 30, 2013 - 08:03pm PT
Dang!
Ammon, you have inspired me and I have followed your exploits. Sorry to hear about this one, but could have been much worse. You will persevere and come back tougher and stronger I predict. Hang in there brother!
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Oct 30, 2013 - 08:13pm PT
Studly,

Follow in his footsteps, but learn, learn, learn. BASE is something that has always been handed down directly from a better jumper.

My post earlier about the shorter, slider down jumps, like some of the ones around Moab, is that they are more dangerous....and by far the most common type of jump in the U.S., where the government feels it has to protect you from yourself. With the modern, BASE specific gear now, accidents are pretty damn rare even in Moab, where it is legal on the BLM side of the river.

Hankster, Ammon, hell even my fat old ass, could jump El Cap 500 times each without incident. Half Dome is even safer if you know the secret exit point. You open high and a blown break line would have only been a nuisance. At 200 feet, sometimes there isn't time to fix a problem. On the super tall terminal velocity jump, even a shitty track puts you 300 feet from the wall. It boggles my mind that people have actually struck El Cap. These were people who had no business being there.

The proxy flying wingsuit guys are dying almost every week in Europe right now. It has grown, and for any type of terminal jump that involves flying your body, even a simple track of half dome in your shorts, requires a certain minimum skill level. I highly advise skydiving constantly through your BASE career. You will learn more, and it will make things much safer.

I know most of the incidents in the U.S. (the older ones usually personally) and it is quite safe with modern gear and experience. You choose the risk you take. You know the object and you know how to do it. Yeah, there are things that can happen, but they are limited and known. Parachutes just "don't open" like most lay news stories say.

The wingsuiters are really pushing it, and this second generation of them are dying a lot by buzzing next to the object or flying ten feet off of the ground. They scout out these lines and get them wired, but from what I know about wingsuiting, it does take skill.

Chris Mac should chime in here. He was in on the first wave of wingsuiters.

I didn't know that Ammon spent 38 days in lockup after his second El Cap arrest. Dude! Go do Half Dome! They never catch anyone up there!

It is really too bad that a basic, well regulated form of jumping isn't allowed in the valley. It is stupid. It will never stop, and all the rules do is make it riskier. I've listened in on a couple of stake outs, and they spent many rangers hunting down a misdemeanor. I think that they should concentrate on drunk driving check points.

Ammon, the guy has the right kind of mind. He can handle anything. Good thing he didn't get recruited by the CIA to be a hit man or something.

BASE hurts nobody. Period.

wesleystupar

Trad climber
Glendora
Oct 30, 2013 - 09:11pm PT
[The second time, yes there was a second bust, they took my gear without the option of "buying" it back,]

How is that legal? What was their justification for confiscating your kit? Its not like the kit itself is illegal. Don't they have to give it back at some point in the future (even if it is the way distant future)?
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Oct 30, 2013 - 09:11pm PT

BASE hurts nobody. Period.
You sure about that?
jnaftzger

Social climber
Berkeley
Oct 30, 2013 - 09:19pm PT
Ammon heal fast and well.

I signed up for skydiving when the gun thugs in Yosemite tased you in the neck. Jumping this weekend!

A ship in the harbour is safe, but that's not why ships are built.
splitter

Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Oct 30, 2013 - 09:57pm PT
Watched the vid, several times, and couldn't help but think, "Evidently, he ain't got no duct tape with him." Cuz, everybody knows that ya can, temporarily, stick anything back together with duct tape. Ya cudda patched that puppy up and been on yer way in no time. I mean, every wall rat, bitd, carried a roll of it with them up on the big stone. Dunno, but I suspected that base peeps would also. And you being a wall rat and a base peep,
and no duct tape...what up with that, brah?!?

For instance, what happens if ya get a tear in yer canopy after it opens, and its getting bigger and bigger by the second, and yer only half way down? (cud happen, eh)

Answer: DUCT TAPE!!!

And I can hear all the Taco noobs saying, "How are ya gonna get the duct tape up on the canopy, ya dumb shit?"

Answer: CHEAT STICK!!! (obviously, duh).

Regardless, get well soon, bro!
go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
Oct 30, 2013 - 10:09pm PT

photo not found
Missing photo ID#328206

Ammon get back in the swing of things PDQ!
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Oct 30, 2013 - 10:47pm PT
Talked with Aamon after his surgery today and he's hanging tough. He'll probably have to have some muscle graft work to fill in the hole from the compound and that means some pretty fancy plastic work, but standard stuff these days. Best of all is that as ghastly as that leg looked, he didn't blow out the joint, but just compounded the bones above the ankle, and those will be screwed and plated and should heal in time. From what I understand, the big eliptical cut was to reduce swelling (compartmental syndrom) - also standard stuff.

It'd be good to hear what an MD might say about all of this but most are frightened to comment lest they be blamed for something.

All told, Aamon should come out pretty well from this with a few spectacular war stories.

Rooting for you big guy!

JL
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Oct 30, 2013 - 10:55pm PT

Thanks for the update, there, JL!

Get better Ammon!
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Oct 30, 2013 - 11:12pm PT
hey there say, largo... thanks for sharing... thank you very much!

Matt M

Trad climber
Alamo City
Oct 30, 2013 - 11:20pm PT
Yer buddy left an amazing legacy behind Ron. In it's way an inheritance for his family that is hard to match in REAL value.

How bout his family having, oh, I don't know.... a Father?

"Yeah, my dad is dead but I have these amazing Masters of Stone Vids to watch..."

Sorry but as a Father these kinds of comments irk me. A good friend lost his parents at different times in his life. Trust me. ANY kid would rather have their parent than an "amazing legacy"
T2

climber
Cardiff by the sea
Oct 30, 2013 - 11:22pm PT
Thanks for the update Largo
John Mac

Trad climber
Littleton, CO
Oct 30, 2013 - 11:46pm PT
Thanks for the update. Get well Ammon and fly the Pirate Flag again soon.
Wen

Trad climber
Bend, OR
Oct 30, 2013 - 11:58pm PT
I see a future in the inspirational speaker industry. Wow, your ability to keep your sh** together is incredible and inspirational. Thanks for sharing what must have been your most horrific of times.
icegang

Big Wall climber
Seoul,Korea
Oct 31, 2013 - 04:06am PT
Ammon..

very sorry to hear your accedent...

Get well soon..

you are strong man..

icegang
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Oct 31, 2013 - 08:14am PT
Here's to your tough spirit AM and to those who helped get you out and into excellent care. Best to you in your recovery, wow there are indeed some fearless warriors in this tribe.

Charlie D.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Oct 31, 2013 - 08:37am PT
Jebus said:
"Condolences from people you don't even know, scorn from others you don't want to know. Awesome. I'm sure Ammon knows how much credence to give it all."

And jokes from people who don't know how to tell them and will never be confused with being a comedian too. Don't forget that. With that in mind, I saw a potential buddy for Ammon to help him with the physical therapy, someone sympathetic to that injury as they've been there already:



I could see this being a tad touchy: "SQUACK, GET YET ASS OUTTABED AND DO YER WALK THE PLANK SETS, SQUACK....

Not that anyone needs another douchbag piling on but thats what I got:-) Hope anyone stuck in bed get's a chuckle...

Capt.

climber
some eastside hovel
Oct 31, 2013 - 08:48am PT
Positive vibes to Ammon from this direction.!!! Just take it easy and get that healed right.Good luck bro!!
Jay

Trad climber
Fort Mill, SC
Oct 31, 2013 - 11:30am PT
Sorry to hear about your accident Ammon. Get well and God bless you!
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Oct 31, 2013 - 12:53pm PT
Ammon- That is one hell of a nasty break! YOW!

So glad that the Reaper didn't get you mate.

Mimi and I wish you a speedy recovery to get back up and sailin' again whether it is through the air or across the Sea of Dreams.

Lots of good folks pulling for you around here.

Cheers and patience in rehab,
S & M
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 31, 2013 - 01:28pm PT
GIVEN YA DA BIRD!
GIVEN YA DA BIRD!
Credit: Ron Anderson

Max says " arrrrrrrrMAtey yur lukkee to be alive SQUUUUWACKKK!


You rag dolled four hundred feet or more !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That vid just above was HIDEOUS!!!!!!
Rudder

Trad climber
Costa Mesa, CA
Oct 31, 2013 - 02:22pm PT
Thanks for the update JL! Glad to hear about the encouraging progress!

And, thanks for the video Brunosafari, looks like Ammon might have taken the real whacks near the ground, maybe, I don't know. Not that it matters.
Heisenberg

Trad climber
RV, middle of Nowehere
Oct 31, 2013 - 03:38pm PT
Brunosafari....

That's not the jump. Two different exit points
Brunosafari

Boulder climber
OR
Oct 31, 2013 - 04:10pm PT
Thanx H, I'll try and delete.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 31, 2013 - 04:13pm PT
Then WHO was that rag dolling down that face??
Heisenberg

Trad climber
RV, middle of Nowehere
Oct 31, 2013 - 04:49pm PT
All I know is that's not the exit Ammon was on :)
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Oct 31, 2013 - 04:58pm PT
Some Aussie jumper on the Tombstone. Ammon said that the dude limped out of there with 3 dislocated toes.

AP

Trad climber
Calgary
Oct 31, 2013 - 05:14pm PT
A friend had a nasty paragliding accident about 15 years ago. He broke his back, pelvis, and ankle much like Ammon's in that video. Only soft tissue was connecting his foot to his leg. His right ankle was fused and the other breaks healed. He led his first 5.13 and onsighted his first 5.12c a couple of years ago shortly after turning 50.
There is hope.
mdavid

Big Wall climber
High Springs, FL
Oct 31, 2013 - 08:55pm PT
Get better Ammon, Keep being rad.
splitter

Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Oct 31, 2013 - 10:15pm PT
it could have been a lot worse
duh

edit: yep, he cudda broken both legs. or, he cudda broken both wrist along with his leg (in which case "duct tape" wudda been essential, eh?)!
why? cuz he would've had to first patch one wrist, with the duct tape, so he could then use it to apply the tourniquet that he, wisely, placed!
dfinnecy

Social climber
'stralia
Nov 1, 2013 - 12:00am PT
Say hey Ammon, never met you but I've always enjoyed reading about your exploits so I've been following this thread with interest. The stoicism and level-headedness in your video is real inspiring. And hey, lookit this, your on the front page down-under
Ammon on the SMH front page
Ammon on the SMH front page
Credit: SMH Screenshot
MisterE

climber
Nov 1, 2013 - 12:14am PT
I sincerely hope that the present and future BASErs/climbers of the world watch Ammon and his presence in that video.

And decide that the steel resolve that he shows is the way of the future.

Thank you Ammon - for showing the higher path.

Rock on Brother.
Kindredlion

Big Wall climber
4hrs too far from YNP
Nov 1, 2013 - 12:16am PT
ouch!

ARrrrghh!!

Brada ! you'll be sailing the seas with yer peg for a leg whether the wind blows up or down..

soon enough .. soon enough..

sending all the healing vibes and thoughts out to you brother!!

as you were..
OOH!

adam

climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 1, 2013 - 01:26am PT
It's fully Viral now... jeez in a few days CNN and stuff will be showing up. Deservedly so. I guess the world has found out about "our" Pirate.

Keep on healing up strong K!

John Mac

Trad climber
Littleton, CO
Nov 1, 2013 - 08:06am PT
It's made it to kiwi land as well...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/9352697/Base-jumper-records-video-after-horror-accident
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Nov 1, 2013 - 09:24am PT
I knew it would go viral the minute he posted it.

Just reading the "Injured Reserve" thread.. I had totally forgotten that Ammon got another broken leg jumping just a year ago and was already back at it. We really should just send him an Evel Knieval outfit.

Again, well wishes. It will be a tough road ahead for a while with surgery and rehab.

Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Nov 1, 2013 - 09:29am PT
It's a good news story. The camera work could have been a little better showing the wall strike, and the kiwis chickened out by blurring the gore shot, but still pretty gut-wrenching.

Used to be a TV show in Mexico called La Ciudad Desnuda. (the naked city) They would race to the scene of every violent murder and get a close up of the dead body, pool of blood, ask the crying family how did they feel. It was totally gripping. Medellin has a tabloid newspaper like this, called Q'hubo. It's kind of like pornography. I guess different people would draw the line in different places.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 1, 2013 - 11:37am PT
Ammon, damn good thing you didn't hit that wall with your brass balls, you'd have brought the whole f*#kin' thing down on your crown.

You've given us a glimpse of the steel reserve that's gotten you to where you are in the climbing game. A5, how hard or scary can it be? Well, now I kinda know what it takes to high-step as ur camhook crumbles the flake. A calm look that says, "Wow, check that out."


Thanks Largo for the update, and thanks Ammon for having the peace of mind to hang through the ordeal and get your ass fixed up.

Go easy on those pain meds, and keep that spirit Alive. Hoist!
Gunkie

Trad climber
East Coast US
Nov 1, 2013 - 11:42am PT
Hang tough, Ammon. My son, Elias, and I are sending good vibes your way.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 1, 2013 - 11:52am PT
Holy Floppy Disc Batman!!

GUH-NARLY!!!

Heal up well Ammon, lots of folks here cheering for you.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Nov 1, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
Ammon I finally watched your video.

It made me cry.

DMT
WTF

climber
Nov 1, 2013 - 01:16pm PT
Mere flesh wound.

A prime example of what calm cool collective shock looks like. Most people would have just passed out.


Arrrrr matey ye be back to sea before ye know it.

Here's to ye mug being full of rum and yer pockets full of treasure.

We need our own pirate talk thread.
Rosamond

Trad climber
Truckee, CA
Nov 1, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
Ammon, if you do lose that leg, talk to Pete Chausey (sp?) from Reno. He lost a lower leg a couple years back in an industrial accident, & before he was out of the hospital, he was designing his climbing foot to go on his metal leg. He's pulling damn hard still; did an astroman lap recently. Not bad for a guy without a foot.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Nov 1, 2013 - 03:00pm PT
Lidijias Husband? If so Yes he cranks from what i hear. And there is also the young Tahoe guy that lost his leg from rockfall in Carson this year. ROUGH YEAR FOR LEGS!
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Nov 1, 2013 - 03:11pm PT
After Hugh Herr lost both of his feet to frostbite, he was climbing as hard as the best climbers in the country using his self designed prosthetic climbing feet. I remember one day in Eldo when we were trying something over our heads, and he pulled out feet for dime edges, thin cracks, smearing, you name it. Now, of course, he is a famous doctor who is a pioneer in this field.

He could outclimb all of us with his prosthetic feet. Sure, he was super gifted, but it didn't slow his top level free climbing skill down too much.

Next post: Fear
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Nov 1, 2013 - 03:56pm PT
There are many types of fear, and back in the day, your ability to control fear could really set you apart from the others in Camp 4. Some guys could do A5 day after day after day, and the rest of us would always have trouble controlling that fear. On a wall, it goes on for days, and if you finish one pitch, there are usually others that you are worried about as you fall asleep. Doubt can creep in and any plausible reason to bail starts crossing your mind, or at least mine, because I didn't do very many.

I call that a chronic type of fear. I suppose war is similar to that. The old saw about long periods of boredom interspersed in a background of boredom. On all of the really hard nailing routes, many people would just wither and come down, and we see it all of the time. That long term fear allows doubt to seep in, and many bails are just an inability to control that fear. Why else would anyone bail from the Nose, where I can attest to aiding every inch one year when I hadn't done a pitch in seven years.

We all know the guys who can handle this type of stress.

BASE has a different type of stress. When you do your first BASE jump, it is not uncommon to be so wrapped up in fear that you feel like vomiting, or your head is spinning and not really focused.

The MICROSECOND that your foot leaves the edge, all fear vanishes and your senses become incredibly alive. It is a feeling that I have tried to describe, but it is difficult. Time dilates wildly, and the sensation is pure and distilled.

It takes different minds to do both the chronic fear and the acute fear. Many first jump students land and remember nothing of their first jump. Their senses were overloaded and they just shut down. Some people do the opposite: they come totally alive doing what is essentially similar to a jump to your death suicide type situation. If you get sucked in by those moments of absolute clarity, then you get eaten alive by your inner monkey wanting more and more of it. Some types of jumps even get boring.

You eventually get where you just don't feel right unless you are either jumping or planning your next trip. The sensation is so utterly blissful and beautiful that you want it again, kind of like a drug.

We used to do a lot of hallucinogens back in the day, even those of us who didn't even smoke weed. The game was how much can your mind take, and at that level when I had the 9th highest number of jumps in the world (a whopping 100), I wasn't hanging much with anyone other than these mutants.

The transition from climbing to BASE was inevitable. We would meet on the summit of El Cap, watch them jump, or we would watch them in freefall from directly beneath, even hollering whoops back and forth from the climbers to the jumpers.

A lot of climbers got into it early, but only made 4 or 5 BASE jumps. Doing one of all 4 objects and getting your chronological number was the goal for many and then they quit. I was one of the first to pretty much totally quit climbing and get totally sucked into BASE. My only claim to fame. There were always better climbers and jumpers than me, but I had the type of mind to handle both types of stress and fear.

Now, later on, we see Dean Potter and Ammon and Steph Davis and others who also had minds that could handle the stress and fall in love with it, because we felt no stress. I do admit to nearly puking from fear on my first BASE jump, from El Cap. However, I sucked it up and launched. What I did not expect was for the fear and doubt to vanish in a microsecond, morphing into a hyper-aware and fully sensing being. The feeling is incredible, and it isn't a "rush" or "adrenaline junkie" or whatever non jumpers like to call it. It is turning your awareness up to 11.

El Cap is pretty damn safe. If the NPS would let us, there are hundreds of jumpers all over the world for whom it would be a super safe and beautiful jump. It has never been regulated, and even when it was legal, the skydivers broke all of the rules. Back then skydivers were like the bikers of the sky, and there was a lot of partying and an outlaw atmosphere. BASE jumpers don't like the outlaw atmosphere. They just want to do their thing and not get thrown in jail. Time doesn't allow me to tell the stories of how badly jumpers have been treated after being caught in the valley.

So back to THE RIGHT KIND OF MIND.

Ammon has both types of mind, and excels. Very few BASE jumpers could handle El Cap A5. Very few El Cap a5 people can handle BASE. Those who can do both are unusual.

Ammon and Hankster's accomplishments are far away from any of mine, but they are both very odd ducks. Maybe one in 10,000 can be comfortable in both realms without fear creeping in and shutting down that full blast awareness which is so addictive.

Hank jumps things that we would have never considered back in the day. Our canopies landed much harder, and he does super tight and unfriendly landing areas. A lot of the jumps are short, so he has fractions of a second to react if anything gets weird. I forgot to mention that he does the big jumps with long delays as well, but I've seen some video of him and Pumpkin jumping objects that we looked at in the 80'w and early 90's and wouldn't even consider. So he excels at it.

BASE is unreal if you can handle it. All I originally planned on was doing El Cap once and back to climbing, but after that first experience on my 8th jump off of student status, I could think of nothing but doing it again. The smartest thing that I ever did was skydive every weekend and pillage our 1600-1900 foot antennas every night with the correct wind direction to eliminate the possibility of object strikes.

Most of the Moab cliffs aren't super overhung, so even a really good jumper can have a strike if they get a 180, much less a spinning malfunction caused by a broken brake line.

Jumping is the best, and the long delays really burn your head more than a one second delay on a short object, even though the short object is actually more difficult from a technical standpoint. Certainly more dangerous. You have almost no time to deal with a problem like Ammon had.

People like Ammon and Hankster and Dean and Steph have unusually strong minds. I used to solo right up to my limit, and that involves pure thought and action as well. It is still a little lite compared to the BASE experience. I know of nothing to compare it with, and the wingsuit flyers have created an utterly new experience that I've never felt.

Anyway, it isn't for everyone, and I know climbers who tried to get into it but it felt bad. That is the fear creeping in. It isn't that these people are quote "brave," it is that they somehow come alive in high stress situations. So alive that it is nigh impossible to communicate to an Earth person.

I have NEVER seen anyone keep so calm when their foot is facing them with snapped off bones keep that calm. Ammon is a freaking mutant among mutants.

Imagine how many Ammon's took a wrong turn and spend unhappy lives as accountants making money they don't want to buy sh#t they don't need, and they call that a rich life?

I lean toward's Ammon and Hankster and Punkin and Dean and Steph and I'm sure others. Incredible minds. In the past who knows what they would have been?
splitter

Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Nov 1, 2013 - 05:42pm PT
couchmaster - And jokes from people who don't know how to tell them and will never be confused with being a comedian too.
Um, I hope yer not referring to me and my duct tape suggestions. Because they were in no way meant to be jokes, period. Its a serious matter.

For instance, duct tape was brought on the first trip to the moon. And, in fact, saved the mission. Patched a wheel on the landing craft (or something). Otherwise, there wouldn't have been any walking on the moon. Furthermore, MJ wouldn't have come up with the "moon walk" dance. And, thousands of kids probably woulda ended up joining gangs instead of becoming break dancers, etc! ... and on and on!

OK, so perhaps I got a little carried away with the, "patching a hole thats opening up in the canopy on the way down with duct tape on the end of a cheat stick" thing (i did think it was a rather ingenious idea at the time, though). And I dunno, but i wouldn't say that it would be entirely impossible. Worth a try anyway, what other choices would you have in that sort of predicament?

And I detect that you probably know about as much about base jumping as I do...nada! So, wrap yer head around this scenario, perhaps. Say yer flying in one of them wingsuits, and it starts to come apart on ya. Would ya rather have a roll of duct tape in yer front pocket, or not? I thought so, so would I! ...nuff said!!

Oh yeah, the "fixed that puppy right up" (sticking his leg back together with duct tape). Well, obviously, it would've been beneficial to have a couple sticks, branches, or whatever handy on that ledge for additional splinting support, then wrapped it with the duct tape (thats a no brainer). So, now it doesn't sound like just some lame joke, eh?

edit: Hey, cut me some slack. I'm making an honest effort to make a positive contribution to an otherwise negative situation. Sometimes the most obvious and simply solutions are overlooked. Regardless, there's no way I would jump off my garage, let alone a cliff, bridge, skyscraper, or whatever (should i ever feel so inclined) without duct tape! ...just sayin!!!
weezy

climber
Nov 1, 2013 - 07:45pm PT
we spread ammon's rig out on my deck today before it departed to GJ, since he probably won't be able to inspect it himself. i know next to nothing about chutes but only one of the lines were severed and there's a smallish tear at the nose of the canopy. there was some blood on the container, which my dog tried to lick off, haha. new brake lines, which ammon said probably contributed to his 180 since he wasn't used to them, his theory anyway. hope i'm not embarassing myself by using the wrong terminology but i figured someone might be interested in this info, even though it wasn't a completely thorough inspection.
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Nov 1, 2013 - 07:47pm PT
Hey all -

Ammon got ahold of me a few days back but he's been in surgery and offline since. Could someone PM me with what hospital he is in? Wanted to go say hi. Thanks.
Gunkie

Trad climber
East Coast US
Nov 1, 2013 - 07:54pm PT
Maybe it's deeper in this thread, but if Ammon needs help paying medical, is there a link to to help?
Relic

Social climber
Vancouver, BC
Nov 1, 2013 - 08:01pm PT
Ammon, you are one calm and bad ass mofo. I wish you a speedy recovery getting back on your own feet.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 1, 2013 - 09:58pm PT
Money? they should monetize that video on youtube.

Just keep healing , we all want to see you up and blowing our minds again asap.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 1, 2013 - 09:59pm PT
Good idea!

You made the front page of The Blaze.

Heisenberg

Trad climber
RV, middle of Nowehere
Nov 1, 2013 - 10:13pm PT
VegasClimber and to all

St. Marys Medical Center
Grand Junction, Colorado.

vôo

climber
Denver, CO
Nov 2, 2013 - 12:05am PT
Hi Ammon,

I hope you get back to 100% as quickly as possible.

Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Nov 2, 2013 - 12:05am PT
Thanks. Looks like I have a long drive ahead of me tomorrow then haha.
ElCapPirate

Big Wall climber
Reno, Nevada
Nov 2, 2013 - 01:33am PT
Update:

Sitting here in the hospital pecking away on my iPhone. I wasn't thinking straight when I let my friend drive off with my laptop. Had two surgery prosedures back to back and a bunch of visitors today, one of which was Charles Cole from Five Ten... speaking of, do I get my own shoe now? I was wearing the Ivo Knivo's, they should make the Slam'n Ammon's, haha.

Anyway, the trend after every surgery so far is, "it went better than expected". The big one is on Monday where they are going to plate, screw or rod my tibia and possibly graph the flap patch (aiiigh), on the exit wound. Then a few more cleaning surgeries after that. As long as infection doesn't swamp my ship. It's going to be a long road to recovery but I'll be back at it, soon enough.

Thanks for all the positivity and well wishes. I feel all the love from my hospital bed and am truly grateful to have such an amazing tribe of friends in my corner, rooting for me.

External fixator
External fixator
Credit: ElCapPirate
WBraun

climber
Nov 2, 2013 - 01:41am PT
Fuking brutal dude ......

Hang in there Ammon, everyone is rooting for you ......
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Nov 2, 2013 - 01:59am PT
Man, all that hardware looks crazy familiar. Including the wound vac in the eliptical cut. You'll have a nice scar from that baby but that wound vac works like a charm.

Call you soon and hang in there Hermano!

JL
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Nov 2, 2013 - 02:00am PT
hey there say, ammon...

thanks for keeping us updated, so we don't OVER-worry, :)


prayers for no infection, of course, and:
where, pray-tell, do we send get well cards, etc...?

:)
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Nov 2, 2013 - 03:00am PT
Great to talk to you tonight man, it's awesome to hear you in such good spirits. Will see ya tomorrow!
huberbuam

Big Wall climber
berchtesgaden
Nov 2, 2013 - 03:16am PT
Hey Ammon, never wrote in a Forum, but now i have to! i hear over the ocean that you were harder than a rock!!!!!!!!! I am sooo happy that you still there! It´s like the hardest wall you have to climb now but i am shure you will make it and i will be so happy if we rope up in the future again. sending you lots of energy over the ocean from thomas (Bavaria) ((((-;
KP Ariza

climber
SCC
Nov 2, 2013 - 03:44am PT
Ammon, best wishes and happy you'll be okay.
Never met you, but everything Iv'e heard and read about you has understated what a f*#king champion you are. How you were able to direct, film, narrate, and star in that "raw footage" (no pun) boggles my mind. Heal up well man.
ElCapPirate

Big Wall climber
Reno, Nevada
Nov 2, 2013 - 05:56am PT
Hey Ammon, never wrote in a Forum, but now i have to! i hear over the ocean that you were harder than a rock!!!!!!!

Sorry I brought you out of lurking status, Thomas. Haha! Love you bro!

(Copy and pasted from Basejumper.com)

Hey guys, Ammon here from the hospital bed.

You are correct Nick three tourniquets were applied. Every injury is going to take different actions but I'm not a professional in the medical field. It was brutally obvious what I must do to save my life. I was losing tons of blood FAST and I knew that if I didn't apply a tourniquet that I was going to bleed out within minutes. At first I was going to use my lines but quickly thought the bridle would be way better and not cut into my skin as much.

I was 100% prepared to become an amputee. Blood was squirting five feet in all directions. The video was recorded after I stopped most of the bleeding. I pulled up my bridal wrapped it around my leg just above the opening exit wound and tied a truckers hitch. Before I tied the hitch I slid a nearby stick under the top piece of webbing. After the knot was tied I propelled the stick until I couldn't stand the pain anymore. Then I tried to straighten the ankle and elevated my leg above my heart.

I yelled down to my buddies to let them know I just lost my foot and could possibly bleed out and needed a helicopter ASAP. I knew it was going to be a while before they were going to reach me a few hundred feet above the road. The cliff is very rugged and I knew it was going to take some time to get to me.

There was an EMT and an highly competent climber on the load and a paramedic and another climber/EMT joins the rescue efforts. It took about 40 minutes for them to reach me and they drilled bolts and had lines fixed before the local SAR arrived on the scene. They helped place another tourniquet on my thigh because I was still dripping blood. The helicopter had to to land down the street because there is power lines directly below the exit, hence the name of the jump "Electric Chair".

SAR arrived and with the ropes in place they just had to ascend the ropes with a litter cage and their rescue kit. They dumped drugs into me, just enough to not kill me, haha. Applied a 3rd tourniquet just above the one I had placed and got me in the litter. The descent was treacherous with loose flakes and falling rocks. It took just over an hour to get me to the road. They got me in an ambulance, got me to the helicopter and flew me to St. Mary's in grand Junction. The entire time period was just over 4 hours from accident to ER.

The docs told me that the tourniquet time was somewhere around 4 hours before you were going to lose the limb. I lost nearly 3 pints of blood and came super close to bleeding out and and losing my life. So, obviously the 15 minute release of the tourniquet would have killed me. But, like I said, in its case it was completely obvious that we just kept it on and sacrificed the foot/leg. Those that have seen the video can see it in my face, I absolutely was prepared for the sacrifice to save my life.

In the morning, I woke up and was very surprised to see my foot still attached. A huge smile spread across my face as I wiggled my toes. I still have to fight off infection but it's looking very good that I will recover and climb and jump again, soon enough.

The docs say that my calm reaction and quick thinking with the tourniquet was the the main factor for surviving, at all. If I would have freaked out my heart rate would have sky rocketed and would have lost more blood. I didn't have much left to lose before the end was near, as it was.

Also, if the lines weren't fixed saving hours I might not have made it either. I will be forever grateful for my fast acting friends, SAR and the flight crew.

It's amazing how fast sh#t hit the fan and hope my tale can save someone else in the future.

Lots of love, Ammon

Yaaaaaaaar!!!

PS: I thought I was recording when I exited but alas, I actually turned it off while it was on in the first place. So, no gnarly bouncing POV
roy

Social climber
NZ -> SB,CA -> Zurich
Nov 2, 2013 - 07:13am PT
Wow that is brutal. Heal up well and keep up your amazing spirit.
Cheers, Roy
PhilG

Trad climber
The Circuit, Tonasket WA
Nov 2, 2013 - 10:19am PT
Ammon:
Incredible story, mate!
Heal quickly.
Phil
eKat

Trad climber
Less than a second shy of 49 minutes
Nov 2, 2013 - 10:29am PT
More Montana Magic, SweetMan!

ox
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Nov 2, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
"plate, screw or rod" Could be the name of a route~

Glad it's going as good as it is. Respect for keeping the spirit up through it all

Bless!

Baba
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Nov 2, 2013 - 12:22pm PT
Ammon you have shown great courage throughout this epic gnarfest. I can hardly believe your foot was saved let alone that you could even wiggle your toes the next day. Best wishes and positive vibes to you. You are a hard man pirate if ever there was one.
youri

climber
Nov 2, 2013 - 01:02pm PT
All the best vibes from Montreal.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Nov 2, 2013 - 01:16pm PT
Ammon has a strong mind. Exceptional even among his peers. I've never seen anything like his calm in that video. That is one for the ages. Don't go giving that video out for free!

I'll send you some goodies in the mail. PM me your address, or I will just send it to the hospital.
susan peplow

climber
Joshua Tree, CA
Nov 2, 2013 - 01:31pm PT
Not being a huge fan of blood and gore Russ suggested I not watch the video. Ultimately, I saw snapshots of the ankle posted elsewhere anyways.

Ammon, I'm super glad to hear your surgeries are going well and you're wiggling your toes. It was heartbreaking to watch your video, even without knowing you personally it was easy to read the fear and disappointment on your face.

Yet your fast actions, not panicing and having a good team of friends to make things happen is really an incredible story and one we are so happy you are with us to tell. Here's to hoping the goodness continues with no infection and successful recovery.

Best wishes and for us girls, post a picture of you & brother Gabe should he visiting :)

~Susan
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Nov 2, 2013 - 02:52pm PT
If I had to go through something like this I'd be stoked to have someone like Largo giving me the beta on what to expect.

Well, that didn't go so good.

Understatement of the century. I'm sure that sentence will come up in my mind whenever something goes really bad.

When things do go bad it is cool the see everyone swing into action and do what needs to be done and have the outcome be SO much better than it could have been.

Thanks for sharing the video and updates. It's really gnarly but it's cool the see the human spirit and capabilities rise to the occasion when needed.

Wishing you the best of luck to go along with all the great work that was done and is being done.
Willoughby

Social climber
Truckee, CA
Nov 2, 2013 - 02:55pm PT
"plate, screw or rod" Could be the name of a route~

I kinda like "Graft the Flap Patch."
John Mac

Trad climber
Littleton, CO
Nov 2, 2013 - 07:51pm PT
Thanks for the update Ammon.

You have a fantastic positive attitude and I'm sure you will be back in no time.

Sending good vibes your way.
Nick

climber
portland, Oregon
Nov 2, 2013 - 08:30pm PT
You sir, are the hardest of the hard. Heal well and quick.

"Damnation seize my soul if I give you quarters, or take any from you." -Edward "Blackbeard" Teach, before his final battle (Johnson 80)
jstan

climber
Nov 2, 2013 - 10:11pm PT
Ammon shares something with both George Mallory and William Shakespeare.

Sir Ken Richardson commented that Shakespeare's english teacher when Bill was seven faced an daunting task. In one of his classes the teacher surely said to Bill, "Stop talking that way. You confuse people". That night the teacher must have thought, "That didn't go well. Must try harder."

On that day when he could barely see his knees while trying to descend Everest along a ridge and the corniss gave way underneath him, Mallory was finally pinned helpless under the weight of the snow, where Conrad found him. He must have thought, "That didn't go well. Must try harder."

So it is we have our own Ammon saying, " That didn't go well. Must try harder."

Now it comes down to us who thought on John Bachars death, "That didn't go well, We all should have tried harder.

Are we ready now,

To try harder?


johntp

Trad climber
socal
Nov 2, 2013 - 10:25pm PT
Should have known better than to open this thread before dinner.

Hope all goes well Ammon.
Peter Haan

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
Nov 2, 2013 - 10:25pm PT
It's clear you are also asking yourself this question, Johno.
jstan

climber
Nov 2, 2013 - 10:35pm PT
Count on Peter to see deeply.

Ammon is very important to us.

US

Us is becoming an extended organism. We should have protected John, from himself. We could not afford to lose him.

Here we are now, at the same place.
tom Carter

Social climber
Nov 3, 2013 - 12:03am PT
Good on ya.

The healing process has begun!!!

You are something!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Nov 3, 2013 - 12:06am PT
I mentioned the same thing up thread about Dano John.. I too am wondering if it isnt a sign for a change.. I havent yet had the pleasure of actually talking with Ammon and i would like that pleasure. I wrestle that question ..
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Nov 3, 2013 - 12:21am PT
Just got done shooting the bull with Ammon for about three hours. He's in great spirits and the foot looks really good.
He goes in for a surgery Monday for his tibia plate or rod, then they will work on the muscle. Will be back in to see him tomorrow, but all the love he's been getting here has been a huge boon to him so keep it up!
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Nov 3, 2013 - 12:24am PT
Glad to see things are healing for you... hope that continues.

Should you get back in the area and up on the rock some time, you got a free belay and a free beer here (or whatever you drink), and after poking around on some aiders today, I could still use some of those pointers. Just won't be jumping off the top with ya. Keep up the healing.
Gagner

climber
Boulder
Nov 3, 2013 - 12:33am PT
Hey Ammon - That sucks. I'm just getting caught up with all things ST and wasn't expecting to see this. Heal up fast. Was thinking about you guys the last two weeks as E and I just did Reticent -- unbelievable how fast you guys did that - proud. Heal up well!!

Paul
Nilepoc

Big Wall climber
Tx
Nov 3, 2013 - 12:52am PT
I do not know Ammon, but I do know that you are an inspiration.

Heal well and keep the stoke going. As a health care professional I have to say I am impressed with your composure under extreme stress.

I hope I get to meet you one day and tell you how much of living hero you are.

Good luck Ammon.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Nov 3, 2013 - 09:34am PT
Goddamnit Aamon you made me cry again.

DMT
Norwegian

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Nov 3, 2013 - 09:51am PT
all pirates,
the day doesn't have legs, or a peg leg
to meet you half way,
get up and walk thru it,
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Nov 3, 2013 - 09:56am PT
For interconnectivity's sake:

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1252206/Ammon-McNeely-Tasered-and-arrested-in-Yos
hb81

climber
Nov 3, 2013 - 11:10am PT
Gnarly. Heal up man. By the way, your video is going pretty viral, turning up all over the internet.
tutokanula

Big Wall climber
awahnee
Nov 3, 2013 - 01:22pm PT
Ammon,
I am sorry to here of your injury. I must say, although i love most that climb my walls, you have always been one of my favorites. I have missed you over the past few years. Don't let this injury or the tool keep you down.
Much love,
Tutokana
aka El Guapo, The Big Stone, El Capitan
shipoopoi

Big Wall climber
oakland
Nov 3, 2013 - 01:48pm PT
ammon, heather and i are thinking about you every day and fully admiring your courage. good luck with your surgeries. take care, steve
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Nov 3, 2013 - 04:38pm PT
Dear Ammon,

My heart is with you, man! I hope the surgeries go very well and that you get ALL the way back. I think of you when I think of that line from Braveheart: "Every man dies; not every man really lives." You LIVE, dude, and it sometimes exacts a price. But you LIVE, and good on ya!
klaus

Big Wall climber
Pacif*#ka Muthaf*#ka
Nov 3, 2013 - 06:12pm PT
Ammon my boy, I'll hoist a pint in your honor at the WOS screening at Stanford tomorrow!

heal up good.
Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO
Nov 3, 2013 - 06:49pm PT
Ammon my boy, I'll hoist a pint in your honor at the WOS screening at Stanford tomorrow!

Atta' boy Klaus!
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Nov 3, 2013 - 09:13pm PT
Good luck tomorrow for the ortho work! The plastic work that will follow is some really special stuff, and the modern docs are wonderful at it.

You'll be fine. Those wound vacs are limb savers!

JL
A5scott

Trad climber
Chicago
Nov 3, 2013 - 09:23pm PT
Im so happy to see you doing so well! I know which hospital to go to now if I ever go all humpty dumpty! They must have a special Ammon McNeely triage unit at the hospital now...
wishing you all the best brother!

scott
ElCapPirate

Big Wall climber
Reno, Nevada
Nov 3, 2013 - 09:45pm PT
Had a relaxing weekend hanging out with Travis (Vegasclimber) visiting from Vegas and driving a total of 15 hours. Wow, what a valiant effort, thanks bro! A cute little pizza delivery girl showed up at my room looking very confused. Two huge pizza's ordered in by climbski2, there was so much we had to share it with the nurses. Thanks climbski2!!!

Tomorrow I go into battle at noon where construction, carving, drilling and screwing will take place for six hours. They will also remove the external fixator and plug the flap patch, aaiighh! They say if all goes well I'l be discharged in 7-10 days.

Thanks for all the positive vibes everyone. I feel so lucky to be part of this beautiful tribe.

I love each and every one of you!
karen roseme

Mountain climber
san diego
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 3, 2013 - 10:47pm PT
There will also be hammering! They will probably have to pound a titanium rod down your leg so they have something to screw your bones too. Icky! At least that is what they did to my shattered tib fib.
Good luck tomorrow! I will be sending all my best MOJO your way!
It is such a miracle how the body can heal itself especially with the help of modern medicine!
You are indeed a lucky man!
XO
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 3, 2013 - 11:03pm PT
Figured you might have visitors and if not ..well cold pizza leftovers ain't so bad. Gotta be a nice break from hospital food. Glad the folks helping you heal up got some too.

Have a perfect surgery tomorrow.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Nov 4, 2013 - 01:23am PT
Credit: the Fet

The silliest one I could find.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Nov 4, 2013 - 09:53am PT
I typed Ammon's name into Google last night, and the video has gone full blown viral. It had almost 800,000 views, and it is in newspapers on pretty much all continents, typically tabloid type stuff.

I saw the video from below, and he didn't have a chance. He rag dolls down the wall and the sound of him impacting is LOUD. I'm curious if those bones breaking made half of the noise.

I broke my tibia once, and I damn sure heard it.
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Nov 4, 2013 - 10:40am PT
This thread scares the crap out of me. I just think, would I have been fast enough to stop the bleeding in time? Can't help imagining myself in that situation. Compared to that, the bone drilling and hammering sounds easy.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Nov 4, 2013 - 10:57am PT
So that WAS Ammon rag dolling down the face then? Up thread it was said that was someone else..?




Anyhoo,, my fingers shall be crossed for Ammons surgeries today.. Going to be a long tough one.
ElCapPirate

Big Wall climber
Reno, Nevada
Nov 4, 2013 - 11:17am PT
Just a few hours away. So psyched for the next pitch.

Ron, no that is not me. If nothing else the canopy colors prove it. That is an Aussie guy on Tombstone that happened a few days prior. I heard he only endured three dislocated toes. Lucky guy.

Looks like similar situations, though. My brake lines were set too short opening in a collapsed stall. Like I said on my first post, I take full responsibility and should have jumped something more overhanging and forgiving after the repair.

I'm putting on my game face, strapping on my armor (all mental of course) and preparing to march out on the front line.

YYYYYYAAAAAAAARRRRRRR!!!!
sempervirens

climber
Nov 4, 2013 - 11:19am PT
Ammon, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! With an attitude like yours you'll kick ass in the next challenges too. And inspire the rest of us along the way. Hope you heal up soon and strong as ever. THere's no doubt you will.

BASE104, can you post the link to the video you mention. The only video of the actual flight that I could find was the one from the Kiwi news.
Thanks.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Nov 4, 2013 - 11:20am PT
Alrighty Ammon,, thanks for clearing that up.. And im sure your going to fire that next pitch like it was 4th class.!
Nilepoc

Big Wall climber
Tx
Nov 4, 2013 - 01:59pm PT
The video is indeed viral. I met a paramedic on my flight last night that asked me if I had seen it. This was after he was talking to me about climbing. He was really impressed with your composure Ammon. This guy is a medic in Baltimore city, and has seen a ton of crazy stuff.

Good luck on today's surgeries.

WTF

climber
Nov 4, 2013 - 03:08pm PT
Now count back slowly from ten please.

10,9,8 zzzzzzzzzz


Nice lead man. Way to send that choss pile.
klaus

Big Wall climber
Pacif*#ka Muthaf*#ka
Nov 4, 2013 - 03:29pm PT
Make sure you ask the anethesiologist to push the propofol s l o w l y....it's better that way, trust me
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Nov 4, 2013 - 03:38pm PT
Tomorrow I go into battle at noon where construction, carving, drilling and screwing will take place for six hours. They will also remove the external fixator and plug the flap patch, aaiighh!


Yo, my brother, if they do all that in one go those doctors deserve medals. the plastic muscle graft work usually takes much longer if they have to harvest the tissue from your upper leg (like they did on me). Hope they can figure out something easier for you. But either way you're well on your way and that's a great thing.

JL
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Nov 4, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
I have some extra skins if needed!@ Can give Ammon a groovy look too! Badger? Elk? Deer? We can go avian too- maybe a nice thick patch of swan skin? Just have the docs give me a ringy ding and ill ship the epidermis!
crøtch

climber
Whale's Vagina
Nov 4, 2013 - 03:58pm PT
Best wishes for speedy healing, Ammon.
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Nov 4, 2013 - 04:01pm PT
Good Luck today Ammon!! I hope surgery went well!!
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Nov 4, 2013 - 04:22pm PT
Thinking of you Ammon, as you are under the knife.
Hang in there too, The Mom.....you are one incredible person!

Susan
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Nov 4, 2013 - 05:11pm PT
good luck today, hope all is going well :)
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Nov 4, 2013 - 05:16pm PT
Credit: stolen
Leggs

Sport climber
Tucson, AZ
Nov 4, 2013 - 05:55pm PT
Positive vibes to you, Ammon...
Keep that spirit up!


~peace
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Nov 4, 2013 - 06:00pm PT
Ammon, you strike me as the type who always has his game face on.

Yarrrr!!!

Positive vibes sent your way, dude.
Gene

climber
Nov 4, 2013 - 08:29pm PT
Looking forward to hearing about a very successful surgery.

g
klk

Trad climber
cali
Nov 4, 2013 - 08:36pm PT
wow. missed this--

hope surgery goes well, that's a lot of time on the table.

guess this'll end your chances for working part=time as a foot model.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Nov 4, 2013 - 09:06pm PT
hey there say, ammon.... hoping to hear that things went at there best today...

may the good solid work and skill from these doc, do you that good that you
need for the long haul...

god blesss....


wow--i think your mom needs some more hugs from you, or anyone there...
chappy

Social climber
ventura
Nov 4, 2013 - 10:15pm PT
Ammon you are one strong dude. Hope the surgeries go well and you are out there again soon doing what you love.
Chappy
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Nov 4, 2013 - 10:18pm PT
Whatever you do, don't skimp on the stool softener. Getting through surgery without a lot of that is not for the faint of heart! Get well soon.
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Nov 4, 2013 - 10:28pm PT
Prune juice helps move things too!!! I hate the stuff but i drank lots of it in rehab!!
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Nov 4, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
Warm milk with prune juice. Word to your colon.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Nov 4, 2013 - 10:51pm PT
Heal up quickly Ammon! Consider the activity that caused the injury....0 sum game.
David Nelson

climber
San Francisco
Nov 5, 2013 - 12:14am PT
Largo asked if an MD might reply, in his Oct 30 post. I have been reading the posts and can make a few comments. I have not posted on Supertopo for a while, some here may remember me.

I am 62, a Board-certified orthopod and now hand surgeon, climbed in the Valley in the 70's, even taught a while. Was out a while, then when i was 50, went up the Captain, but holding onto the coat tails of Chickenskinner, who did all the leading. Then did the same on HD.

Ammon's injury, without an X-ray, must have been an open tibia and fibula fracture. We don't use the term "compound" anymore. Vegasclimber corrected me and said that there was a vascular repair, so it was a III C open fracture, meaning extensive soft tissue stripping and a vascular repair (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustilo_open_fracture_classification);. The importance of the classification is that the rate of infection and amputation go up as the rating goes up. The external fixator (I have designed one for the radius) allows for stability for the bones and soft tissues (necessary to prevent further damage, prevent infection, set the stage for osseous healing). It is put on when the risk for infection is too high for a plate or intramedulary rod. The tubes and black foam, covered with what looks like Saran wrap, are a wound vac. It is designed to help control edema, infection, and to clean up the fluids (blood, serum) that are oozing out. The serial trips to the OR are to debride dead tissue and check for infection. The general rule is another look in the OR every 48 hrs until ready for definitive care, ie, IM rod or plate.

The flap, if any, is to substitute for missing skin and close the wound.

Did I cover all the points?

Ammon, ignore anything I said if it contradicts your docs. They have the data, I do not. I am merely guessing for the entertainment of our television audience.
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Nov 5, 2013 - 01:17am PT
Jeff mentioned at the screening of his film tonight that he got a text from Ammon, and the surgery well extremely well.
He also mentioned that Ammon's youtube video has over 800,000 hits.
It's age-restricted now, for "graphic" content.
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Nov 5, 2013 - 01:27am PT
Thanks for your post Doc, much appreciated.

Ammon had an open tib/fib with two tib fractures. He had a 70% circumferential wound from the bones exiting and the tendon retraction at the time of injury. He had a severed artery but thankfully the vascular surgeon on duty was able to clear some major clotting and damage and stretch and suture the artery.

Ammon came out of surgery really well today, no grafts needed, no patch either. Plated the tib and when the doc came in yesterday he said that would pack any vacancies in the bone with donor bone material. Go pirate go!
ElCapPirate

Big Wall climber
Reno, Nevada
Nov 5, 2013 - 03:49am PT
Great news!!! Indeed, the surgery went better than ever expected. The swelling was low enough and I had enough muscle and tissue in the surrounding area that they didn't have to borrow anything from my thigh or abdomen.

So, no grafting or flap patch (aaiighh) for the pirate, which simplifies the recovery tremendously. I would have lost 10% of the strength in the borrowed area if this procedure was needed, psyched they didn't have to disrupt any other areas of my body. I was supposed to be in ICU for two days after the surgery but wasn't necessary since they didn't have to do the extra prosedure. Looks like my recovery time will be a lot faster, as well. Nothing but great news since the brutal impact.

Thanks for all the positivity here at ST. I feel the love and truly appreciate everything.
ElCapPirate

Big Wall climber
Reno, Nevada
Nov 5, 2013 - 04:22am PT
Consider the activity that caused the injury....0 sum game.

Donini, I have nothing but the utmost respect for you as an individual and your amazing accomplishments, as a climber. You've been one of my heroes for many, many years. But, this comment reflects both naivety and hypocrisy, especially comparing jumping to the alpine game.

Just like you can't compare a lap on Nutcracker with K2. You also can't compare BASE jumping exits and the many different ways you can execute a jump.

It's hard to wrap your brain around something you haven't personally experienced. You simply can't say one is more dangerous or risky than the other. I've never jumped anything harder than, say, A2... In my mind. I feel like I've definitely put myself in way more danger with my climbing passion than jumping.

Lots of love, matey!
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Nov 5, 2013 - 04:58am PT
You simply can't say one is more dangerous or risky than the other.

It's sad to me that you would even have to "defend" anything at this level, particularly on a forum such as this one!

You have every right in your person to take ANY risk with your person that in YOUR and YOUR mind ALONE provides an acceptable risk/reward ratio. There CAN be no "judging" here of the risks you take and the contexts in which you take them. Who here DARES to "judge" or even question what rewards you "ought" to be seeking via this or that "risk?"

MOST people are living entire lives FAR riskier than yours, with their utter lack of exercise, terrible diets, nasty habits and addictions, and the list goes on and on. And the PATHETIC thing is that they take all these very real risks with little to no intentional awareness or even reward for their entire lives! And then when the have a heart attack or stroke at 55 (or earlier), everybody wrings their hands and talks about how "cruel" death is to have snatched them away so young.

Honestly, it makes me sick, this virtually complete lack of INTENTIONAL living.

LIFE is a zero-sum game, and NOBODY gets out of it alive! But most people live totally unintentional lives without ever getting out of the box or knowing WHO and WHAT they are.

Unlike my feelings for them, I HONOR what you've been seeking, and you have NOTHING to "defend" or "explain" to anybody on these threads! And some people here that have gone to the edge themselves in various contexts ought to know better than to wag their fingers in the SLIGHTEST!

I, for one, for whatever it's worth, simply HONOR you, Ammon. And I'm jazzed that things are going even better than we dared to hope. You've got much more road to walk, and you'll be doing it on both feet! Awesome!
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Nov 5, 2013 - 06:36am PT
hey there say, david nelson...

not much into the stop-look-and-see mode... more like a mama-mode. so thank you from us folks that try to understand, as well... :)


ammon... this was very fortunate for you, very good outcome of what
you surely know could have been far worse...

prayers and well wishes, and 'happy hug to the mom', as she share's
your joy and gratefulness... :)
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 5, 2013 - 10:01am PT
Such good news to wake up to this morning. Pretty cool to see you sending this project as admirably as we have seen you accomplish so many others.

I never cease to be amazed by the human body. It's also amazing how much difference being in athletic condition can make regarding reducing the severity and occurrence and healing of injury. The body responds very complexly with mental attitude. A great attitude affects the team too. Success is no accident!

It's difficult to express how much I respect your consideration for others. As shown by the time you have taken from the beginning to keep all of us concerned about you informed. It even showed in that video.

Keep healing up strong!

sempervirens

climber
Nov 5, 2013 - 10:51am PT
Zero sum game? I had to google it. It's a game where one's winnings are equal to another's losses. Like for example: 5 poker players all start with 10 dollars and any winnings for one (or more) players would be exactly equal to one (or more) players' losses. If at the end of the game the total winnings of the players is +10, then the total losses must be -10, added together you get a zero sum.

How does that relate to base jumping? One-life in, one life out? Sorry for the drift, but I thought it worth discussion.
eKat

Trad climber
Less than a second shy of 49 minutes
Nov 5, 2013 - 10:53am PT
Yeah. . . I had to pull a GOOG (rhymes with spooge) on it, too! And. . . admittedly, I don't get it, either.

?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Nov 5, 2013 - 11:00am PT
Damm good news Ammon!!
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Nov 5, 2013 - 11:23am PT
Great news about your surgery! Recover fast and keep charging as you did Ammon!

Watched the movie about Wings of Steel and your 2nd ascent of it yesterday. You seem like a really good dude with a lot of passion for outdoors. Sending positive vibes your way, and hope you avoid major injuries in the future. Injuries suck since they prevent people from getting out and do what they love...
rwedgee

Ice climber
canyon country,CA
Nov 5, 2013 - 11:55am PT
So do you have insurance or who is footing(pun) the bill ?
jstan

climber
Nov 5, 2013 - 12:10pm PT
In pursuits dealing with objective dangers, actual risk is highly dependent upon the ability of the person. This is not something another person can accurately judge. Subjective danger, as in the real mountains, can be another matter altogether. Don Whillans was no wussy but he knew enough to come down off the Eiger when it was in full flower.

The risks we undertake depend critically upon what we take as our objective. I can't talk about anyone else's objectives so I can only speak in the first person. My objective has been to enjoy all of my life to the fullest and to walk without a great deal of discomfort to the crematoria. When I have looked back on an adventure that could just as easily have gone badly, I take that as data. Any brush with trouble, is a "whoa Nellie" moment. My judgment has been called into question.

Luck, not me, decides when it will come and when it will not.


Ammon, get better as fast as you can.
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Nov 5, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
Thanks David for the update.

Great news that you didn't need a muscle graft. I don't know for the life of me how you could have such a big open fracture plus that big ass eliptical cut, with twin wound vacs, and not have to fill the holes with your own tissue. They must have used silly putty or something. Man, that's a miracle they could pull that off.

I'll call you soon.

JL
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Nov 5, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
Dang,, i had a nice piece of tanned OSTRICH to donate to Ammons leg,, he would been double unique!
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Nov 5, 2013 - 01:32pm PT
Ammon don't stick his head in no hole!
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Nov 5, 2013 - 03:39pm PT
I think things are going well as a reflection of your positive, good vibes approach to this development and life in general.

Making the best of it, shining your light

Wishing you the best bro!

peace

Karl
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Nov 5, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
Keep it up, Ammon!

I have to admit also that I'm surprised to read that there probably will be no skin graft. How does the skin grow over and cover all that meat? (Though I guess it does - my own brother accidentally blasted a chunk of his shin off, stupidly having a loaded sawed-off shotgun in a vehicle and shining deer. His leg looked like hamburger at the time, but I don't think he ever had any skin grafts.)
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Nov 5, 2013 - 03:52pm PT
that OSTRICH has "nipples" from the old feather quills that would have looked AWESOME im tellin yas!


And SALUTE TO THE DOCTORS and TEAM!!!
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Nov 5, 2013 - 06:02pm PT
It's a disappointment, Ron, to be sure. But, you could still get a very cool pair of greaves made up, a la the style below. They would even offer a bit of protection, whilst looking cool!

Imagine these with the "nipples"
Imagine these with the "nipples"
Credit: madbolter1
coiler

Trad climber
The Rock Monkey Ranch
Nov 5, 2013 - 06:37pm PT
I just heard about this near tragedy the other day. I am glad to hear that my friend Ammon is doing well and expected, hopefully, to make a full recovery. He wouldn't be the guy we love if he wasn't pushing the envelope. Glad to know he is finding out where that envelope is. Ammon, when you are feeling more like yourself, stop in at the RMR and let's share a beer, I want to hear it from you, yourself... what the heck happened up there!? Take care of yourself till then Matey!
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Nov 5, 2013 - 09:57pm PT
Ammon doesn't let that envelope lick him. He licks it!

But if your greaves have nipples then who's gonna suck on them?
ElCapPirate

Big Wall climber
Reno, Nevada
Nov 5, 2013 - 10:39pm PT
Thanks Coiler! And everyone else for the good vibes.


So do you have insurance or who is footing(pun) the bill ?

Wow, isn't that like asking someone how much they make, per year? Pretty rude IMO. Didn't your mother teach you any manners?

Nobody is footing any bills, but me.

Peace!
John M

climber
Nov 5, 2013 - 10:56pm PT
Hey Ammon.. I don't know Rwedgee, but I don't think that he was trying to be rude. I believe that he was just trying to find an indirect way of asking if you needed any help with the bills.

I hope that you heal up soon. I am still blown away by your calm under pressure. Quite inspiring.
enjoimx

Trad climber
SLO
Nov 5, 2013 - 10:58pm PT
Nov 5, 2013 - 01:58am PT
You simply can't say one is more dangerous or risky than the other.

It's sad to me that you would even have to "defend" anything at this level, particularly on a forum such as this one!

You have every right in your person to take ANY risk with your person that in YOUR and YOUR mind ALONE provides an acceptable risk/reward ratio. There CAN be no "judging" here of the risks you take and the contexts in which you take them. Who here DARES to "judge" or even question what rewards you "ought" to be seeking via this or that "risk?"

MOST people are living entire lives FAR riskier than yours, with their utter lack of exercise, terrible diets, nasty habits and addictions, and the list goes on and on. And the PATHETIC thing is that they take all these very real risks with little to no intentional awareness or even reward for their entire lives! And then when the have a heart attack or stroke at 55 (or earlier), everybody wrings their hands and talks about how "cruel" death is to have snatched them away so young.

Honestly, it makes me sick, this virtually complete lack of INTENTIONAL living.

LIFE is a zero-sum game, and NOBODY gets out of it alive! But most people live totally unintentional lives without ever getting out of the box or knowing WHO and WHAT they are.

Unlike my feelings for them, I HONOR what you've been seeking, and you have NOTHING to "defend" or "explain" to anybody on these threads! And some people here that have gone to the edge themselves in various contexts ought to know better than to wag their fingers in the SLIGHTEST!

I, for one, for whatever it's worth, simply HONOR you, Ammon. And I'm jazzed that things are going even better than we dared to hope. You've got much more road to walk, and you'll be doing it on both feet! Awesome!

Word
doc bs

Social climber
Northwest
Nov 5, 2013 - 11:55pm PT
Ammon,

Your resilience is an inspiration, and I loved your video.

In a survival class I took once, we all laughed at the mantra they taught us: "the most important thing you need in a survival situation is PMA (positive mental attitude)", ask RLF about that one.

You demonstrated that well and will be well served if you use this training break (professional opportunity) to write your memoires. I will buy a copy!

Alisa
Ammon and Gabe's Mom

Social climber
Living in Ogden , Utah
Nov 6, 2013 - 02:44am PT
When I heard about Ammon’s accident before the flight crew took him to the hospital. I was in shock and trying to figure out how to get dressed so I could drive to Colorado that night. I am grateful that everyone in the family insisted I wait until daybreak, I wasn't safe to drive and Ammon’s friend drove me to the hospital the next day. The days since this accident I have been through every emotion, but the thing that has helped so much is the out pouring of love and concern from all over the world for Ammon. I wanted to thank everyone for all the support and friendship that you give to my son. He is truly blest to have friends that think so highly of him.

The friends that got to Ammon first was amazing. A special thanks to Brent, my heart melted when I learned that he was the first to arrive and for 2-3 hours he let Ammon lay on him and kept him warm and as comfortable as he could be. Dave, Andy and the many others that I don’t know their names helped to save his life by acting so fast. I wanted to thank the doctors who did a miraculous job. Dr. Gammon is the orthopedic doctor for Ammon. His name says it all. Thanks to the flight crew, because my daughter also being a flight nurse I fully understand their sacrifice. The list grows everyday. I am sure I have unintentionally missed many names that had a huge part in the rescue.

Today I am so thankful to have my son. Thank you everyone. This Thanksgiving with be a very special one.

Ammon is based with me for now. If you need to get in touch with him or send a card,
my address is:
1156 Gramercy Avenue
Ogden, Utah 84404

Much Love to all, Joan
Fluoride

Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA/Joshua Tree
Nov 6, 2013 - 03:34am PT
Ammon's mom you rule! You raised a remarkable son. Glad he's with you now.
ElCapPirate

Big Wall climber
Reno, Nevada
Nov 6, 2013 - 05:31am PT
Hey Ammon.. I don't know Rwedgee, but I don't think that he was trying to be rude. I believe that he was just trying to find an indirect way of asking if you needed any help with the bills.

My sincere apologies if that is the case. I made the mistake of reading comments on sites that stole my video and was a bit on the defensive side... just can't believe how nasty people can get. Luckily the pain meds are helping erase the negativity and my spirits continue to soar.


Ammon's mom you rule! You raised a remarkable son. Glad he's with you now.

Not yet. Still another week, or so, before being discharged from the hospital. So much to be thankful for this TDay. I love you all!
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Nov 6, 2013 - 05:55am PT
hey there say, joan.... wow, and oh my... thank you for sharing...

i always 'go into mama mode' when these things happen...

how much MORE so, the very own mom's do...

hugs and god bless to you as your son enjoys his miracle days, while healing, and YES--a very happy thanksgiving to you all!!!


send ammon a card and get well, and will send you a card, this week...
god bless...
tinker b

climber
the commonwealth
Nov 6, 2013 - 07:33am PT
i got teary reading ammon's mom's post. thanks joan. moms rule!
Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...
Nov 6, 2013 - 08:34am PT
"LIFE is a zero-sum game, and NOBODY gets out of it alive! But most people live totally unintentional lives without ever getting out of the box or knowing WHO and WHAT they are."

Worth repeating I think.

So cool that things are headed in the direction we all hope for. I don't know you Ammon but that really doesn't matter, I'm just super happy to know you are doing well and yes, your mamma is sure a sweetheart:-)

I get it now why you've been able to do so many challenging things.
Stay well, stay positive and be in the moment.

drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Nov 6, 2013 - 08:42am PT
Yo Ammon-
Just a note about Wound Vacs.
Those things work!
I watched a grizzly hole about the size and depth of an ice cream sandwich re grow tissue from the bottom up. No crater, no skin graph. It took time but it was amazing to watch.
Good luck with healing. You got this.
Leggs

Sport climber
Tucson, AZ
Nov 6, 2013 - 08:46am PT
I got teary reading ammon's mom's post. thanks joan. moms rule!

I hear you Tinker... me too.
Peace and Positivity to you, Joan.

~xx


Heisenberg

Trad climber
RV, middle of Nowehere
Nov 6, 2013 - 09:48am PT
Donate:

http://www.donationto.com/Help-Ammon

pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Nov 6, 2013 - 10:23am PT
Really? ^^^

About This Cause
We are raising donations to help get Ammon Mcneely back to what he loves as fast as possible. Ammon is one of those people who would do anything for someone he just met so it's time for us to return the favor. He had a very gnarly accident recently that could have been anyone, be it a rock climber, BASE jumper, mountain biker, etc. Donations will go directly to getting Ammon a new setup for BASE jumping as his is currently worn through the bone (no pun intended). So if you want to see Ammon flying around Utah and other various cliff wall regions with a pirate logoed canopy pitch in! Otherwise go walk the plank. YARRRRRR

We need funds to cover the cost of the new setup and anything left over will go to Ammon for help with medical bills. The extent of his injury will leave him immobilized for quite some time and he will not be in any shape to start earning new gear for next year.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 6, 2013 - 10:35am PT
Caution with things like that. Ammon has not asked for any help on this thread. I don't know Mitch Potter.. does Ammon? It's not unusual for viral stories like Ammons to attract both honest unsolicited donations and sadly scammers too. For that matter even if well intentioned a donation effort should go through the person it is intended for to be approved. Many people do not appreciate folks assuming they want money to help them.

Ammon don't let stuff get ya down. The internet has ALWAYS had trolls and rude comments and scammers. I've spent too much time on it for many years and I've learned to not even see the common trolls. I laugh when folks think ST has gotten a bit rowdy. LOL on it's worst day it better than the average you-tube thread or many other message boards out there.
WBraun

climber
Nov 6, 2013 - 10:36am PT
I thought first priority is medical.

The donation page has first priority a new Base rig ????

This does not make any sense to me ......?
snakefoot

climber
cali
Nov 6, 2013 - 10:49am PT
of course it doesn't make sense until you realize that he needs new gear with proper line settings, fits in the right container made for it, is not worn out, deploys appropriately and such so this does not happen again.
Heisenberg

Trad climber
RV, middle of Nowehere
Nov 6, 2013 - 10:50am PT
I don't know Mitch either.... and there are 3 sides to any story. Ammon is more concerned about his health and leg than a new rig. Furthermore he doesn't need a new rig. I simply fwd the link to help a friend out.

locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Nov 6, 2013 - 10:51am PT


"Gammon is the orthopedic doctor for Ammon. His name says it all."...

LOL!!!...

Perfect!!!...

WBraun

climber
Nov 6, 2013 - 10:53am PT
We're talking about priorities at this time in the present situation as of NOW.

Understanding about a base rig is a no brainier.

Do you actually think we are ignorant of Base here?

You're dreaming .....

climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 6, 2013 - 11:01am PT
Yeah unfortunately or perhaps fortunately depending on your POV this is stuff you end up dealing with on such a public story. Only Ammon his family and perhaps closest friends can really shed any light on these kind of things. It could be a godsend or an annoying hassle.


In the meantime it was very cool to meet MOM! Seems the apple didn't fall far from the tree and that's clearly a good thing!
snakefoot

climber
cali
Nov 6, 2013 - 11:04am PT
i know you know about the sport werner. we don't need to banter and flex here. i think things are going as expected for him and the next steps are getting planned. everyone is allowed their own view on the subject if you must hold this position and the critique will continue, but won't really matter when he's back in the game.
micronut

Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
Nov 6, 2013 - 11:10am PT
Thanks for taking us along this grisly journey man. So glad to hear you are on the mend and that things went well in surgery. May this soon be just another campfire story that gets nothing but ooohs and ahhhs and
doh!s and eeewwwws.

Be a rockstar with your rehab and give that sucker time to heal. The wilderness can wait a bit. You'll be strung out on mank or freefallin soon enough. Let them muscles and bonz and arterioles mend and grow back to full strength before you go asking them to do big things.

Best,

Scott
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Nov 6, 2013 - 12:20pm PT
I have a problem with this.

Heisenberg

Trad climber
RV, middle of Nowehere

Nov 6, 2013 - 06:48am PT
Donate:

http://www.donationto.com/Help-Ammon

I have no problem donating time or money to those in need. I have done it a few times here on ST as well.
I don't see this as such.

I hope Ammon heals quickly and without complications. I don't know him but I can relate to getting hurt when following ones passion(s).

I don't expect others to pay for bikes I crash. It is weak to ask.

I'm sure Ammon will find a way to do what he loves when he is back in the game. Obviously, he is a resourceful guy.


Bill Mc Kirgan

Trad climber
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
Nov 6, 2013 - 01:36pm PT
Mr. McNeely,

We're keeping you in our prayers for comfort, healing and protection from infections.

So glad you survived. So amazed that you were able to take care of yourself so that your friends could help you with the next steps. It seems like one miracle after another made it possible for you to exit the wilderness and find just exactly the right medical attention.






rwedgee

Ice climber
canyon country,CA
Nov 6, 2013 - 01:43pm PT
Ammon, sorry you took it as being rude it wasn't meant to be. I had asked about it earlier and hadn't gotten a response.
__
Wow !! I thought Largo's was bad. Way to keep it together in a bad situation. I hope you have a fast and full recovery.

Just curious...are you insured and what does something like that cost ?
My old GF had a bad break to the tune of $36K, no insurance.
_
She is still paying on that bill for a broken femur.
Best of luck
ElCapPirate

Big Wall climber
Reno, Nevada
Nov 6, 2013 - 03:10pm PT
Dr. Gammon's excellent work:

Credit: ElCapPirate

Credit: ElCapPirate
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Nov 6, 2013 - 03:15pm PT
Daaaaannng,, looks like a bunch of pipe strap and some sheet metal screws.. Bout a buckfiddee worth from Lowes..;-)



Your Living BLESSED AMMON!
Rudder

Trad climber
Costa Mesa, CA
Nov 6, 2013 - 03:50pm PT
Ammon, damn good thing you didn't hit that wall with your balls

That's just funny! haha

CNN.com "Pirate apologizes for knocking down mountain with his balls!"

haha

Keep getting well, Ammon! Incredible how well things have worked out so far! It's awesome news!
TwistedCrank

climber
Bungwater Hollow, Ida-ho
Nov 6, 2013 - 04:18pm PT
Credit: TwistedCrank

A miracle of modern medicine.
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Nov 6, 2013 - 05:24pm PT
The monkeys...errr..doctors are sending!

:)
ElCapPirate

Big Wall climber
Reno, Nevada
Nov 6, 2013 - 05:33pm PT
Caution with things like that. Ammon has not asked for any help on this thread. I don't know Mitch Potter.. does Ammon?

Yes, Mitch is a friend of mine but didn't ask for donations for a new BASE canopy, nor do I necessarily need it. I obviously needed my brake lines adjusted before the incident. I'll need a line reattached and a couple holes patched but she will fly again. After my run-ins with the rangers I was left with my oldest gear but it's still air worthy and wouldn't have been jumping it unless I got second opinion's with experienced riggers.

For whatever reasons, people are just trying to help me in ways that would make me happy but it's a no brainier that my health and the compensation of those who have worked so hard getting me back to a full recovery is priority #1.

Personally, I'm using this thread to tell my story and to inform everyone my status of that goal.

Lots of love!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Nov 6, 2013 - 06:01pm PT
Ammon,, your one VIRAL Doood,,doood.. Hope you can work that for some coinage- interviews on Oprah and shyt!! Happy to see they CAN put humptey dumptey back together again!

Break lines set to stall had to be a peach!!!!! They would have had to use the jaws of life to get the shorts outta my arse had i been you..Thanks for keeping us up to date Sir!
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Nov 6, 2013 - 07:35pm PT
AAAAAmon, were they able to close those big ass wounds? With no muscle or skin grafts? Hope so.

JL
Matt Thomsen

Big Wall climber
Places
Nov 6, 2013 - 10:02pm PT
This was my back.. Is my my back, but i got all the metal out of it.
This was my back.. Is my my back, but i got all the metal out of it.
Credit: Matt Thomsen

Recovery sucks! It is all good at the beginning, but when the hype wheres off it f'ing sucks. I know you will be fine . Stay strong, and I know you will.

You will be fine buddy. Can't wait to see you soon.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Potemkin Village
Nov 7, 2013 - 09:22am PT

Attitude is everything and Ammon's is spot on.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3JzcCviNDk
ElCapPirate

Big Wall climber
Reno, Nevada
Nov 7, 2013 - 09:38am PT
TwisteCrank, when I was 6 years old I got hospitalized for a bladder infection. I was quietly listening to the doctor telling my mom about some of the procedures. He was talking in a quiet voice and I could only make out a few words, here and there. I heard him say that I was going to need antibiotics. I heard something completely different and when the doc left, I turned to my mom with the widest eyes a kid could ever have and asked, "Does this mean I'm going to be BIONIC?", haha

Sure am enjoying these sun rises every morning:

Sunrise
Sunrise
Credit: ElCapPirate
karen roseme

Mountain climber
san diego
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 7, 2013 - 09:54am PT
Yay for sunrises and balloons!
Credit: karen roseme
martygarrison

Trad climber
Washington DC
Nov 7, 2013 - 10:49am PT
Hope you have good insurance...
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Nov 7, 2013 - 10:52am PT
That X-ray is insane.
eKat

Trad climber
Less than a second shy of 49 minutes
Nov 7, 2013 - 11:12am PT
photo not found
Missing photo ID#329160
Ottawa Doug

Social climber
Ottawa, Canada
Nov 7, 2013 - 11:30am PT
Hey Ammon,

Keep the psyche for healing and keep enjoying those sunrises!


Cheers,
Doug
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Nov 7, 2013 - 11:34am PT
A couple of quotes to cheer you up..

From the Pink's Wish You Were Here:

And did you exchange
A walk on part in the war
For a lead role in a cage?

From T.E. Lawrence's Seven Pillars Of Wisdom:

All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible. This I did.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Nov 7, 2013 - 11:35am PT
From the Pink's Wish You Were Here:

My work is done here.

DMT

ps. But don't forsake the rest of the lyrics:

We're just two lost souls
swimming in a fish bowl
year after year
running over the same ole ground
what have we found
same ole fears
wish you were here.

Can't tell you how many times that song made emo-me cry.
ElCapPirate

Big Wall climber
Reno, Nevada
Nov 7, 2013 - 11:49am PT
http://www.moabsunnews.com/news/article_040e6a2e-464d-11e3-b7cb-0019bb30f31a.html
Johnny K.

climber
Nov 7, 2013 - 11:55am PT
Cheers to a fast recovery
photonez

Big Wall climber
San Jose, Armpit of the Bay!
Nov 7, 2013 - 12:00pm PT
Hello Ammon,

I'm nine months out from destroying my ankle while up high in Yos. I have to say, for me, the recovery has been awesome. There's been plenty of time to get stoked about my next adventure and plenty of good people to ease the way. My injury often feels like having a new ankle. It's like a pup, it's growing and getting stronger every day, and I get to teach it all sorts of new tricks. Also, I was able to start bicycling before I could walk, and that helped the recover tremendously.

Thanks for keeping people like me stoked.

Good luck with this adventure.

Ezra
A2+ Kankle
A2+ Kankle
Credit: photonez
eKat

Trad climber
Less than a second shy of 49 minutes
Nov 7, 2013 - 12:06pm PT
These XRays are. . . oooooo . . . and I ain't no shrinkin' violet!

BarfoBits!

Is it just me, or does anybody else stand in awe of the healing power of bone?

WHOA.

You wanna talk MAGIC?


Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Nov 7, 2013 - 12:09pm PT
Im still amazed at the alternative uses for PIPE STRAP and screws lol!;-)
willm

Social climber
Oakland
Nov 7, 2013 - 12:11pm PT
Hey Ezra, what happened that caused such a bad break?
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Nov 7, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
Ezra took an aid lead fall on Washington Column - see Josh's post below.
Other folks (John Roe?) have broken ankles there, too.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Nov 7, 2013 - 02:30pm PT
That fibula doesn't look so approximated. What did they do to fill that gap, Ezra?
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 7, 2013 - 02:42pm PT
Yeah no sh#t. Something is missing there... lol
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Nov 7, 2013 - 03:22pm PT
So, his fibula doesn't look approximated...? What happened next? I'm an ortho idiot (amongst other brands of such).
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Nov 7, 2013 - 03:49pm PT
Gotcha! I saw the line up was good, didn't realize bone could span the gap so readily with the help of a little scaffolding. Thanks!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Nov 7, 2013 - 03:52pm PT
Interesting Riley,, Thanks..
mucci

Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
Nov 7, 2013 - 05:21pm PT
Ezra was leading the 6th pitch of a super obscure, and sandbagged 3rd ascent attempt on Washington column.

For such a bad break, he kept it together just like Ammon and let kevin and myself execute the steepest self rescue I hope I/we never have to do again.

Then they shot him full of dope on the deck and the real adventure began.

David Nelson

climber
San Francisco
Nov 7, 2013 - 09:01pm PT
Bone is a living tissue, just like skin and muscle. The main difference is that it is hard, not squishy, and the majority of it is not cells. Our body is made up of cells, right? That might make us think that it is all cells, and most tissues are. Skin, muscle, liver, kidney: all cells. Bone, cartilage, and tendon are about 5% cells and the rest is called the "matrix", all the stuff between the cells. In bone, the matrix is a calcium-phosphate mineral component strengthened by fibers of collagen. Think of fiberglass and you have the right concept: the matrix is the resin, the collagen fibers are the fiberglass. Got it?

Bone can regenerate, unlike teeth or cartilage. However, bone has a hard time filling voids (there are some approximations going on here). If the void is too big to fill or heal, it is called a "critical size defect." Different bones, and each part of each bone, has its own unique critical size defect threshold.

The fibula is not very good at bridging gaps at that level. The bone at that level has only a little cancellous (spongy) bone and is most cortical (hard outside) bone. This limits its healing potential.

Almost certainly, the surgeon placed some material into the gap to assist the body in bridging that gap. We call the material "bone graft" or "bone graft substitute". The material may not be very heavily calcified, so it may not show up well on that xray. The xray parameters (how many milliamps of current, how many kilovolts of voltage) were set by the xray tech to give a good image of the native bone, and these settings almost certainly underestimates the amount of the bone graft material.

If there is no bone graft material, that gap will not close, which it appearently did, because the owner of that leg is walking.
David Nelson

climber
San Francisco
Nov 7, 2013 - 09:03pm PT
The body does all the healing, the surgeon just helps out the body, cleaning out the dirt, aligning the bone, and keeping it aligned with the hardware. The surgeon gets all the credit, but that is not fair: the body is doing all the work.

Humility is a good attribute for a surgeon. Or a climber.
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Nov 7, 2013 - 10:14pm PT
Awesome post Dr. David, thanks for a good Everyman level explanation.

My understanding from Dr. Gammon was that they were going to use some donor material when they put the tib plate in. My understanding os that they use corpse bone material for this but the Doc knows better then I do. The advances of the last 10 years in ortho have come at a terrible price as the wars have advanced medical ability a long way in a short time. That and the body's stunning ability to overcome injury have made for some truly amazing recoveries. The advances that I have seen here the last few years are part of what got me interested in the medical field again - I'm hoping to have my EMT-B next year. Not so much to do it as a job, but just because I find the practice fascinating.

Healing thoughts and prayers to Ammon as always!
ElCapPirate

Big Wall climber
Reno, Nevada
Nov 7, 2013 - 10:27pm PT
Got the wound vac and dressing cleaned today. Last surgery scheduled for Saturday and discharge planned next Thursday. They do plan on doing some skin grafting on both sides where it is still open:

Credit: ElCapPirate

Credit: ElCapPirate

Credit: ElCapPirate

Credit: ElCapPirate

Credit: ElCapPirate
WBraun

climber
Nov 7, 2013 - 10:31pm PT
Frankenstein .......
S.Leeper

Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
Nov 7, 2013 - 10:32pm PT
heal fast bro!
S.Leeper

Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
Nov 7, 2013 - 10:38pm PT
Ammon, how many bones have you broken over the years?
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Nov 7, 2013 - 10:47pm PT
Looks pretty clean to me. Expect your foot to stay swollen for about five or six months because the circulation was so compromised from the soft tissue trauma. If they can close those wounds with no muscle grafts they must be using magic. I'm guessing that the hole left in my leg from the open fracture was about the same size, judging by the wound-vac in the pic below:

Credit: Largo

Then once they did the muscle graft, it looked like this:

Credit: Largo

Unless you're in one hell of a hospital they generally try and avoid the muscle graft work at all costs because it takes so long to do (mainly the vascular surgery part) and is extra tricky work, so I hope you can just get by with skin grafts, which are easy money. If you get out by next week you got out basically twice as fast as I did. You must be a Man of Steel after all.

And thanks to Doctor David for his sage commentary. Makes so much more sense with a true expert weighs in.

JL
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Nov 7, 2013 - 11:19pm PT
Total gnar there . . . aaaaarrrrrggggg! Way to put it out there Ammon. You are the definition of positive thinking and as a result your body is responding accordingly.

Thanks for your most positive example in all things great and small.
Rudder

Trad climber
Costa Mesa, CA
Nov 7, 2013 - 11:36pm PT
Crazy amazing awesome, Ammon! Looks great!
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Nov 7, 2013 - 11:42pm PT
Bone can regenerate, unlike teeth or cartilage

The dentin in teeth regenerates - called tertiary dentin. Not the enamel. However, we are working on using dental lamina 'seeds' to regenerate teeth in the jawbone, almost there!

Ammon, keep up the great attitude. Glad to see you healing, it will be awesome to see you flying again!
David Nelson

climber
San Francisco
Nov 8, 2013 - 12:52am PT
Nice clean granulation (new scar tissue) beds, should take a skin graft well. Good luck.

What do they use for bone graft? The gold standard is some of your own bone, but that stuff is expensive: you are generally already using it for something else! The best quality bone that you can spare is from the pelvis, where your belt hits it above your hip (iliac crest). If skillfully harvested, you cannot feel the defect created by removing the bone. The downsides are further surgery, limited supply, risk of injuring a nerve that is right there, and OR time.

Second choice: We often use donor bone from a bone bank, quite similar to blood from a blood bank, but the donor is dead and donated their body to help others (put that dot on your driver's license and be an organ donor; after you are dead, you really have no heed of it and someone like Ammon does). This does not have the living cells of your own bone, but has the calcium-phosphate crystal substrate that living bone cells love to form on ( kind of like oysters need a substrate to settle on and grow on). The bank bone also has the protein messengers (mesenchymal cytokines) that say to the proto-bone cells: hey guys! Come over here and make Ammon some new bone! So bone bank grafts have some virtues.

The final choice is the class of materials called bone graft substitutes: various formulations of calcium sulfate/ calcium phosphate or similar chemicals (there are many formulations on the market, prob 40 worldwide). Cheaper than bank bone, can make it in many forms, theoretical lack of rejection (no foreign proteins).

The surgeon makes the decision based on patient factors, site factors, and voodoo ( no good prospective studies on most of the products on the market). And voila! New tibia!

(Most of the time. The real world is much messier than the scientific fairy tale I just outlined. We still get nonunions, infections, and ((Amon, don't read this)) amputations, which is why so much research is going on in the trauma field. This is not my area, I do research in post op pain and in distal radius fractures.)

Keep your prayers and good vibes up for Ammon, he is not yet out of the woods and he will need some months and years yet to heal.
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Nov 8, 2013 - 01:01am PT
I am sick with sorrow... These damn injuries are such inconveniences! We have better things to do than lie around in hospital beds while cells go about their little biochemical industries.

Gell well soon, and without complications!!!!!
bhilden

Trad climber
Mountain View, CA/Boulder, CO
Nov 8, 2013 - 01:21am PT
Misery loves company! Here's a 'sympathy wound' from my little accident.

Credit: bhilden
ElCapPirate

Big Wall climber
Reno, Nevada
Nov 8, 2013 - 01:32am PT
Ammon, how many bones have you broken over the years?

It would be easier to list the ones I haven't, ha ha. More dislocations, though.

Misery loves company! Here's a 'sympathy wound' from my little accident.

Thanks for sharing! You as well, Largo.

This thread kicks ass!!!

Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Nov 8, 2013 - 02:14am PT
Ammon should post the X-ray from his tibial plateau fracture last year.
From Ammon's photos (Sept. 2012):
Hardware left behind
Hardware left behind
Credit: ElCapPirate
Shattered tibia and temporary fixator
Shattered tibia and temporary fixator
Credit: ElCapPirate
bhilden

Trad climber
Mountain View, CA/Boulder, CO
Nov 8, 2013 - 02:26am PT
WRT, Ammon's tibia plateau fracture, I shattered about 3-5" of my tibia just below the plateau. They used wire, 10 pins, 11 screws and a 9" SS plate to repair it. Here is the hardware after it was removed. They wouldn't let me have the metal pins as they were 'too sharp.'

Credit: bhilden

Ammon,

is that hardware still in there? The doctor gave me a special card I had to use to get through airport metal detectors.
photonez

Big Wall climber
San Jose, Armpit of the Bay!
Nov 8, 2013 - 11:38am PT
Some nice hardware shots! I'm hoping to get one of my plates out and use if for a nice keychain.

The gap in my fibula was filled with a bone graft from a much appreciated tissue donor.

Ammon's wounds look gnarly, true pirate scars will remain.

-Ez
TwistedCrank

climber
Bungwater Hollow, Ida-ho
Nov 8, 2013 - 01:01pm PT
Were there hammers involved?

Or was the surgery hammerless?
ElCapPirate

Big Wall climber
Reno, Nevada
Nov 8, 2013 - 02:24pm PT
Were there hammers involved?

I think they sent it clean but pretty sure they did some hand placements in the scars.

Furry Visitor
Furry Visitor
Credit: ElCapPirate
Deekaid

climber
Nov 8, 2013 - 08:01pm PT
good friggin god that is gnarly!

hats off to guys like dr. David and Riley who dedicate themselves to that type of work
BooDawg

Social climber
Butterfly Town
Nov 8, 2013 - 08:01pm PT
Keep the healing and the smiles goin', Ammon! Get well soon!
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Nov 8, 2013 - 08:08pm PT
Worth repeating!

We often use donor bone from a bone bank, quite similar to blood from a blood bank, but the donor is dead and donated their body to help others (put that dot on your driver's license and be an organ donor; after you are dead, you really have no heed of it and someone like Ammon does).
Walleye

climber
The Hot Kiss on the end of a Wet Fist
Nov 8, 2013 - 08:08pm PT
JESUS TITTY F*#KING CHRIST!!!

You are the hardest of the hard and I wish you all the best in your recovery and for your future. Somehow I just KNOW you are gonna be fine because you are totally wired for happiness.
Best
WJF
D.Eubanks

climber
Nov 9, 2013 - 12:38am PT
I hope the best to you Ammon on your road to recovery.
Get well soon!

Dana
Ezra Ellis

Trad climber
North wet, and Da souf
Nov 9, 2013 - 07:00am PT
Wow,
Glad you are going to be ok.

Your attitude certainly saved your life, and probably your leg.
If you have ever smoked, don't do it again, smoking kills circulation, especially in the legs.

Best to you Ammon !!!!

You'll be back climbing next year!!!!!
tinker b

climber
the commonwealth
Nov 9, 2013 - 10:46am PT
You'll be back climbing next year!!!!!

meaning 2014. ammon says he hopes to be ready to do some one legged toproping when i swing trhough mid january! keep healing bro, you are the one.
 j
go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
Nov 9, 2013 - 10:55am PT
F#^a me, your doctors are amazing!
Cheers!!!
T2

climber
Cardiff by the sea
Nov 9, 2013 - 11:10am PT
Hey Ammon does that blister on the inside of your heal bother you? That thing looks like it hurts.


: )

You look great my friend!
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Nov 9, 2013 - 03:58pm PT
Wow. That is looking a zillion times better than it did. Amazing.

OK. To cheer you up, here is what I did my first BASE jump with, a Stratostar 5 cell main, a Wonderhog (preceeded the Vector series containers) and a 26 foot navy conical reserve. The belly band is where the Velcro runs to your container pin. If you twisted the belly band, you would get a pilot chute in tow, so that didn't last long. It was pre-3 ring release, and used R-3's, which were two releases that you pulled at the same time to cut away. I had 4 skydiving reserve rides on this piece of sh#t until I scored a sweet rig from a dead guy. No kidding. I still have his reserve packing card.

The Stratostar was one of the original square parachutes.

photo by Walt Shipley.
photo by Walt Shipley.
Credit: BASE104

Here is another one with one of the original BASE rigs. Probably one of the first ten or so. Our pilot chutes were way too big to fit in a stow.

This place got shut down by greedy L.A. bastards. Carl Boenish found i...
This place got shut down by greedy L.A. bastards. Carl Boenish found it. We were first to go back and jump the exits for a full week. Carl only did a few static lines from a 350 foot exit. This one was 600 feet.
Credit: BASE104

I think that this was one of, or the first, naked cliff jump.

John Hoover, RIP, is the high guy on an old five cell reserve. I'm the...
John Hoover, RIP, is the high guy on an old five cell reserve. I'm the low guy on the old round reserve.
Credit: BASE104