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JerryA
Mountain climber
Sacramento,CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 28, 2013 - 11:04am PT
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Since Telemark Tips (RIP)is gone ,is there any other comparable site with area & regional trips & updates ?
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FrankZappa
Trad climber
Hankster's crew
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Oct 28, 2013 - 11:19am PT
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TGR
Nice bunch of folks over there. Very helpful to skiers learning the ropes.
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10b4me
Ice climber
Bishop/Flagstaff
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Oct 28, 2013 - 11:39am PT
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WTF? When did it take the chop?
That's too bad. I never participated in the forums. I always thought it was a good source for info.
In the mean time, check out Lou Dawson's site, wildsnow.com
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Cragar
Trad climber
MSLA - MT
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Oct 28, 2013 - 11:41am PT
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Yeah, they were kinda your typical L-Aliens sowing the seeds of IchMoi in Mammoth(like that hasn't been going on for eons!!). Their 'tudes took it down. I quit going there a couple years ago.
Thanks for the links.
Got my first snow flakes of the year on my face on my morning commute this AM..!! loving it
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ddriver
Trad climber
SLC, UT
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Oct 28, 2013 - 11:42am PT
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Yes, TGR, aka Teton Gravity Research. Warning, it can be just as insufferable as TTips was.
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OlympicMtnBoy
climber
Seattle
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Oct 28, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
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http://www.turns-all-year.com/ has been around since 2001 and is still going pretty strong, but it is somewhat Northwest centered. There is a Front Range and a Mt. Lassen report in October, so sometimes people post up from elsewhere too. It's a little different vibe than TGR anyways, a little "mellower". ;-)
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Oct 28, 2013 - 12:39pm PT
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Talk about a set up, TGR can range from very informative to very brutal.
I certainly agree. Ttips was a kumbaya fest compared with TGR. The latter fits in the young boy's club (same as old boy's club, with even less maturity :-)
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Oct 28, 2013 - 03:46pm PT
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There's plenty of knowledgeable and experienced backcountry skiers right here on ST so post up questions, certainly more mountain related than the latest political BS that seems to dominant at times.
Mountaineering is about moving over mountainous terrain in all seasons which includes dirt, gravel, sand, rock, ice and SNOW!!!!!!!!!
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Oct 28, 2013 - 04:12pm PT
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TGR is an awesome resource if you're looking for backcountry beta. If you don't have a thick skin, just lurk. Or go in with you're arms swinging. If you've got talent on either side of a camera you'll be fine. Otherwise, bring naked pics of any girl and say it's your sister.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Oct 28, 2013 - 06:02pm PT
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Randonee... French for can't tele
Snowboard - German for can't ski
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briham89
Big Wall climber
san jose, ca
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Oct 28, 2013 - 06:03pm PT
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Snowboard - German for can't ski
Uh oh...let's not start this again.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Oct 28, 2013 - 06:28pm PT
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10b4me said it Wildsnow.com.,Lou Dawsons site is very good.
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sempervirens
climber
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Oct 28, 2013 - 07:08pm PT
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Telemark: Norwegian for "wait for me".
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 28, 2013 - 07:14pm PT
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Palo Alto = Native American for NO PARKING!
Thus everyone must park in Sunnyvale ......
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Oct 28, 2013 - 07:26pm PT
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Telemark.. universal sign for skiing on your face. Never met a tele skier who was better on Tele's. It's is akin to rock climbing in Teva's.. sure some people can do it really well.
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Oct 28, 2013 - 07:26pm PT
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nose in the air ... sniff sniff ... righteous snear: "Wet Wool!"
i had thought that snow plastered from top knot to knicker
sock would pretty much have masked the eau de ewe
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Oct 28, 2013 - 07:29pm PT
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Snowboard.. works better when it doesn't contact any snow.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Oct 28, 2013 - 07:31pm PT
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Telemark: Norwegian for "wait for me".
Strange... That's what I hear from all of my snowboard buddies when we head into the ungroomed.... "Wait for me!"
This forum ain't bad:
http://www.telemarkeast.com/
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goatboy smellz
climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
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Oct 28, 2013 - 07:32pm PT
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beware the wrath of the bc forums.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Oct 28, 2013 - 07:42pm PT
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Oct 28, 2013 - 07:51pm PT
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Chugach
Trad climber
Vermont
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Oct 28, 2013 - 08:51pm PT
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Telemark: Norwegian for "wait for me".
That's funny. Inaccurate but funny. Norwegian for endless smiles.
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Oct 28, 2013 - 09:01pm PT
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more times than not when i go skiing all three disciplines are present. i have snowboarders that i wait for, and snowboarders that wait for me. same with telies
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bergbryce
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Oct 28, 2013 - 09:43pm PT
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I can personally attest to meeting a number of people I'd consider friends through teletips. Watching that forum die was really unpleasant. My hope is that the dozen plus years of stoke, TRs, stories and knowledge that was on that site isn't really gone forever and somehow Mitch will allow that content to be accessed in some way.
Craig Dostie (publisher of Couloir Magazine BITD) has a good thing going over at Backcountrytalk. Here is the link to the primary forum...
http://www.backcountrytalk.earnyourturns.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?2-Backside-Bar-amp-Grill
It just fired up late this summer and slowly many of the former T-tips denizens are joining in. It's a good place to talk BC skiing. My guess is that once people actually start skiing there will be the regular regional threads which are great for meeting partners, conditions info and general ski stoke.
There are a number of regional ski forums that have been around for awhile. My waders don't go high enough for tgr. Too much $hit to wade through to find the useful nuggets, jong.
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east side underground
climber
Hilton crk,ca
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Oct 28, 2013 - 09:46pm PT
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who gives a f*#k what you ride . snow sliding is fun whatever the tool
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Oct 28, 2013 - 09:47pm PT
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TGR Kicks It - yeah yeah they can be brutally snarky - but they have DENTISTS and VETERINARIANS!!!!!!!!!
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Oct 28, 2013 - 09:48pm PT
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Oh I don't give a rats ass really.. I just enjoy the banter and it's fun to sling a bit o BC sh#t. It's tradition.
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bergbryce
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Oct 28, 2013 - 09:48pm PT
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agreed. poking fun at others who 'board, tele, lock the heels (shudder ;-) or even monoski is from the 80s. it's about having fun.
but don't boot my nice skin track.
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Oct 28, 2013 - 09:51pm PT
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"TGR Kicks It - yeah yeah they can be brutally snarky - but they have DENTISTS and VETERINARIANS!!!!!!!!!"
it seriously IS a good place to get veterinary advice. not kidding. and personally i don't find it hard to get the nuggets there. having so many sub forums really makes it easy.
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rincon
Trad climber
SoCal
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Oct 28, 2013 - 09:51pm PT
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more times than not when i go skiing, I'm the only one there!
:)
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Oct 28, 2013 - 09:52pm PT
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"Its Tradition"
Damn Straight.
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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Oct 28, 2013 - 10:11pm PT
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Anything named Telemark Tips was ripe for extinction.
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bergbryce
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Oct 28, 2013 - 10:17pm PT
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it was about only telemark skiing as much as this place is only about rock climbing. it was an excellent resource for BC skiing, locked heel and floppy.
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PeteC
climber
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Oct 29, 2013 - 12:41am PT
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Telemarktips is closed for the same reason that telemark equipment sales have fallen off dramatically in recent years. In the late nineties telemark gear was superior to alpine gear in lightness and comfort-- there was much alpi-marking done by people who just liked the hike-ability of tele gear. Recent advances in tech bindings and AT gear have made it clearly a more powerful option-- boots that climb technical ice, weigh 1/4 the weight and ski well. In the last few years there has been a mass migration (including myself) from tele to rando gear because it's clearly superior for the gnar. This is not an arguable point. Neither snowboards or tele are as practical/fast/safe/bombproof. Yes, the tele turn "feels awesome" and that alone is a good reason to ski that way, but the gear is inferior for the big mountains, and the bar much lower for performance. Ironically I think that telemark is now best suited for the resorts and AT for the BC. Who would have thought...
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Oct 29, 2013 - 12:51am PT
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rando does have a very slight advantage in skiing the gnar but really negligible, and i'm not sure what you're talking about in regards to snowboarding. the top level snowboarders do all the same sh#t that the top level skiers do, and as efficiently. setting up a splitboard no longer requires anything but splitting the board with the addition of dynafit toe pieces between the bindings
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Oct 29, 2013 - 12:54am PT
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Ironically I think that telemark is now best suited for the resorts and AT for the BC. Who would have thought...
That is a very interesting thought, going to think about that for awhile....ummmmm
Susan
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Oct 29, 2013 - 01:04am PT
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I used to laugh at high performance tele gear.. it was like they were just reinventing heavy alpine gear and basically locking down the heal in a pinch with stiff springs. There is a reason a tele skier has never won a world cup slalom. Never even been attempted... lol .. it would be rediculous.
Now Alpine gear is as light.
Never has a Tele skier been better on Tele gear than he is on alpine gear. Like I said it's akin to using sandals (I mean like Tevas or flip flops)for rock climbing. Sure some folks can do it superbly but they still do better in rock shoes.
Powder snow is not a good medium for comparing perfomance of equipment.
Like I said the only place snowboards excel is if they are not in contact with snow.
None of this matters much.. do what you like.. but them r fax
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aguacaliente
climber
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Oct 29, 2013 - 01:05am PT
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I liked telemarktips. Even if you didn't telemark, if you were interested in BC or XC ski touring there was a lot of useful information. I enjoy TGR for what it is, but the attitude farm is not for everyone, and the skiers there shred much harder than I do. Lightweight or XC skiing was more at home on teletips.
telemarktips didn't die because telemarking is stupid (or dead), it became rancid, in my opinion, because the forum owner was absent/unable to approve new members, and so it turned into a small number of people rehearsing old forum grudges. Imagine Supertopo with only the people who like to flame each other onboard. This is in no way a complaint on Mitch, who ran ttips for many years out of nothing more than his own generosity towards its community of users, I think.
Hopefully once the snow season is underway people will start to make Dostie's forum at earnyourturns.com into a worthy replacement.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Oct 29, 2013 - 01:09am PT
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Is Dostie still in Truckee?? We once long ago fairly seriously bantered about trying to ski the Wickersham together.
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Oct 29, 2013 - 01:13am PT
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I used to laugh at high performance tele gear.. it was like they were just reinventing heavy alpine gear and basically locking down the heal in a pinch with stiff springs. There is a reason a tele skier has never won a world cup slalom. Never even been attempted... lol .. it would be rediculous.
Now Alpine gear is as light.
Never has a Tele skier been better on Tele gear than he is on alpine gear. Like I said it's akin to using sandals (I mean like Tevas or flip flops)for rock climbing. Sure some folks can do it superbly but they still do better in rock shoes.
Powder snow is not a good medium for comparing perfomance of equipment.
Like I said the only place snowboards excel is if they are not in contact with snow.
None of this matters much.. do what you like.. but them r fax Nor has has a world cup slalom ever been won on randonee gear, or fat skis.
Powder snow is the ONLY place to compare equipment designed for powder snow.
None of the forums discussed here are for racing or carving technique, that would be epicski, now owned by Vail.
And your comments about snowboards and snow are ludicrous.
Them are the facts.
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bergbryce
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Oct 29, 2013 - 01:17am PT
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Dostie, yes. We are in touch. He might even chime in on this thread.
Agua nailed it. T-tips died due to lack of moderation/management. New users couldn't get in and users who needed to be shown the door never were.
I don't understand why the torch was never passed as there were literally dozens of site users willing to take over the day to day running of the site, which is what it really needed.
While there have been drastic changes in the performance of AT gear (I have a dynafit setup myself) I don't think lack of interest in telemark skiing is why that site died. There is no shortage of people out there who are well aware of the primary problem with any AT setup, that you cannot make a telemark turn with it, still exists.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Oct 29, 2013 - 01:18am PT
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Let me try another angle.
Give me one example performance wise that telemark or snowboard gear is superior in performance to alpine gear.
I can give you one for each.
But neither involve actual contact with snow.
I can make very sweet telemark turns on Randone gear :)It's a fun party trick
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Oct 29, 2013 - 01:22am PT
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but don't boot my nice skin track.
That's why I carry two ice axes.
One for walking up couloirs.
One for hitting snowboarders.
Never has a Tele skier been better on Tele gear than he is on alpine gear. Uh... I can't even ski a groomed black diamond slope on alpine gear, but I've dropped the Mountaineer's Route couloir on skinny skis and 3-pins.
In the last few years there has been a mass migration (including myself) from tele to rando gear because it's clearly superior for the gnar. Here's a great video about AT vs. Tele that was filmed at my old stomping grounds:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Oct 29, 2013 - 01:22am PT
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NO!!!! IT'S WAR I TELL YA!!!!!
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Oct 29, 2013 - 01:23am PT
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I never said it was superior. In fact I said terms of performance telie gear is slightly below that of alpine. If you define performance as ability to allow the user to have fun on snow, they are all equal. In terms of riding performance in pow, i would give snowboards a slight edge. The firmer it gets, the more an alpine set up has an advantage. if you look at high level mountaineering, the top level snowboarders and skiers are on very comparable terms
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Oct 29, 2013 - 01:28am PT
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Snowboards cannot equal the performance of alpine gear in powder at top speeds or bottom speeds..are approximately equal in the mid range.
If the measurement of fun is the stick.. hell a sled will do ya
The only place tele and snowboards excell is in the air. tele=distance snowboard= maneuverability.
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Oct 29, 2013 - 01:37am PT
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Snowboards cannot equal the performance of alpine gear in powder at top speeds or bottom speeds..are approximately equal in the mid range.
If the measurement of fun is the stick.. hell a sled will do ya
The only place tele and snowboards excell is in the air. tele=distance snowboard= maneuverability.
This is of course based on YOUR aptitudes... eh?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Oct 29, 2013 - 01:44am PT
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Nope.. I never was particularly exceptional skillwise.. say 5.13 in a 5.14 world. Truly gifted athletes were a solid notch above me. Regardless of platform
Just a serious student of performance though.
Do you know why the top speed on a snowboard is so slow compared to alpine or telemark? Hint assymetric wind drag
Why is a snowboard less versatile in powder?.. hint surface area is constant.
Why is a telemark setup less maneuverable? Hint forward support.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Oct 29, 2013 - 06:36am PT
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Who cares how fast,how cool,how rad,it is about getting after it.All of it.
Like Ekat said it is about having fun.
"I will leave no turn unstoned"
slr,we gotta get out some time!
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Oct 29, 2013 - 08:24am PT
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You guys and gals crack me up, love the banter of the season.......it's all good when winter returns to your range of choice and provides us with a magic carpet. Winter is renewel and a time that gives the mountains a rest and a good cleansing, it can transform and overused landscape back toward wilderness, I love it all.
So in the interest of good fun and banter, what did the AT skier say to the Tele-skier on top of the mountain? "See you at the bottom hippy!" Enjoy the season everyone, let's hope it's a big and safe one for us all.
Berg Heil,
Charlie D.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Oct 29, 2013 - 08:32am PT
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Nice CharlieD.
What did the tele skier say to the AT skier in the BC," Stay calm,the ambulance will be here shortly". HA HA HA .
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Oct 29, 2013 - 08:35am PT
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^^^ now that's funny wilbeer!!!!!!
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Oct 29, 2013 - 08:47am PT
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All in good fun,Charlie.
Hope you like those new boards,just took some new ones out of the press,100mm underfoot.I will post up soon.
Berg Heil,indeed.
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ddriver
Trad climber
SLC, UT
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Oct 29, 2013 - 10:09am PT
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It is just astonishing how travel on snow becomes so incredibly egotistical. You go up and then you come down. Everything else is just details.
Give me one example performance wise that telemark or snowboard gear is superior in performance to alpine gear.
One of the reasons I enjoy tele gear is that it allows me to get my center of gravity (and my head) lower than I can on alpine gear. I like skiing trees, and I like skiing under and through trees to get to untouched glades. That ability makes me happy. Work for you?
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harpo
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe
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Oct 29, 2013 - 10:24am PT
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Tele: Norwegian for "Hey, wait for me!"
Sorry for the thread drift but I wanted to participate.
What everyone said about TGR.
I AT but ski with both teliers and snowboarders. It's all good.
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peladob
Mountain climber
Mason City, Iowa
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Oct 29, 2013 - 11:25am PT
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Any word on whether there's enough snow to ski on in the Wasatch yet?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Oct 29, 2013 - 11:27am PT
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It is all good! looking at the fresh snow up in the hills..I can smell the PTEX and wax.. tradition. Same as ribbing fellow riders.
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Cragar
Trad climber
MSLA - MT
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Oct 29, 2013 - 11:30am PT
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NICE!! Nice dog-ski! Thanks for the report. Kinda echos what I have heard..
My old buddy and his wife from MSO are partnered with another couple and they run the joint and well you know, it is so damned far to drive so I just haven't made it yet ;^)
I will be making it up there this year for sure for a fun stay. This winter, my skating friends and I are planning to rent the lodge one weekend for some high-heart-ratin', air chuggin fun followed by some turmeric laden Indian dishes!
Oh, your PS is Coo! The SiSSyStix really put some ooomph in the TRIP when you are OUT eh?! I always like looking up and seeing the 'kaleidoscope sky' when I stop! DIG!
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Oct 29, 2013 - 11:32am PT
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^^^eKat, did you get a new beast?
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Cragar
Trad climber
MSLA - MT
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Oct 29, 2013 - 11:43am PT
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I can understand that spoiled gig...but I have done longish trips(Seeley Lubrecht) when our in-town skating isn't happening.
Yeah, knowledgeable groomers are key. Anything Reid(one of the other partners) does is pretty much done right, if not from the get-go for sure by 2nd or 3rd time!
See you up there!
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AKDOG
Mountain climber
Anchorage, AK
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Oct 29, 2013 - 01:10pm PT
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It is all good, love both tele and alpine, just another excuse to be in the hills.
Waiting for winter up here, 50 degrees and 100 mph winds yesterday.
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ddriver
Trad climber
SLC, UT
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Oct 29, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
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Any word on whether there's enough snow to ski on in the Wasatch yet?
Depends on your perspective. I got in a day on the 17th, had snow from the trailhead, but very bony. Today is the first new snow since, and temps appear to have turned the corner. Another storm expected early next week, but I don't know how much moisture is expected. Could get good enough soon.
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TomKimbrough
Social climber
Salt Lake City
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Oct 29, 2013 - 02:47pm PT
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Ten new inches on the Alta - Collins stake this morning.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Oct 29, 2013 - 10:58pm PT
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I wanna know when my Epic Pass will show up!
I built a waxing table and am ready...
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Oct 29, 2013 - 11:23pm PT
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I wanna know when my Epic Pass will show up!
Me too...waiting.
Susan
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Oct 30, 2013 - 12:59am PT
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All this arguing over the best way down the hill is silly since I'll be waiting back at the chair for all u gorby's while shredding on my new telemark snowboard. Best technology of all worlds, free-heel snowboarding is the future bitches, im telling ya! It cuts down on propulsionary drag & increases symmetrical torsion, creating maximum g force when cranking out turns in the corn during rockclimbing season. Way cooler than whatever u think is cool fer sure lol!
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Oct 30, 2013 - 01:31am PT
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spent a day with these guys last spring.
they were getting after it while all the boarders, telieheads, and skiers (other than me) were off climbing or something stupid like that
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ddriver
Trad climber
SLC, UT
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Oct 30, 2013 - 09:35am PT
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did the dude's pants fall off?
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Oct 30, 2013 - 04:27pm PT
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tahoe, today F.U.
(:
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samjam
Social climber
Lake Tahoe, CA
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Please check out my site for all your ski and snow reports
Killington in VT is open and Sunday River in ME opens tomorrow!
Happy skiing and snowboarding season!
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Mar 16, 2014 - 02:25pm PT
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Hope you folks have some.Terence.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Apr 25, 2014 - 09:14am PT
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Good to the last drop.
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