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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Oct 18, 2013 - 10:19am PT
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Yes.. this one really deserves it's own crucification thread.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Oct 18, 2013 - 10:22am PT
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Utards...
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Oct 18, 2013 - 01:10pm PT
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those fat fvcks needs to spend more time hiking, not pushing over rocks.
...at least they aren't gay, that would be wrong according to Scout honor and all that.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Oct 18, 2013 - 01:15pm PT
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Let's hope that they are charged and brought to justice.
They weren't protecting anybody from injury.
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Oct 18, 2013 - 01:25pm PT
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I haven't heard anything really positive about the boy scouts in a long time now. It's kinda sad really, they were once a relevant institution.
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John M
climber
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Oct 18, 2013 - 01:30pm PT
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I wouldn't give up on the boy scouts so easily. There is still a lot of good being done. We had a thread here on the taco a few years back where we donated gear to a climber who was teaching his pack to climb. The boy scouts are a large organization and there is a difference between what they condone as a group, and what happens in individual cases. I doubt the boy scouts as a whole would condone this action.
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Oct 18, 2013 - 01:32pm PT
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Do you still have to be "reverent"?
How are they doing with accepting that gheys exist in this world?
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Oct 18, 2013 - 01:32pm PT
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Opra approves of the Boy Scouts..
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 18, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
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I hate boy scouts and their so called "leaders," especially in Utah.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Oct 18, 2013 - 01:42pm PT
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Imagine cutting a 1,000 year old tree... with no pretend "safety" defense... just to "enhance" your recreational activities.
And here I thought you were referring to the Joe Kinder controversy!
;-)
John
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Oct 18, 2013 - 01:43pm PT
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Oct 18, 2013 - 01:49pm PT
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I haven't heard anything really positive about the boy scouts in a long time now.
Maybe you should think a bit about what types of events get news coverage.
I don't have an opinion on scouts one way or the other, but basing your view on what you hear in the press shows a certain lack of critical judgment.
Hint: if this is tough for you to figure out, consider how likely it is that a group of scouts went hiking, had a good time, and learned a little about nature will make the news.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Oct 18, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
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I haven't heard anything really positive about the boy scouts in a long time now. It's kinda sad really, they were once a relevant institution.
they may have been relevant in the post war beaver cleaver age, but by the 70's they were a depository for sadistic PTSD Vietnam vets posing as 'leaders' reliving their glory days...at least in my troop.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Oct 18, 2013 - 02:01pm PT
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At the risk of being ostracized and defamed, was this stone 'iconic' in some way?
Are the rocks signed in some way indicating 'don't touch'?
I haven't been there yet.
Can someone that has been there recently backfill on the context?
thx
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Oct 18, 2013 - 02:04pm PT
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The Boy Scouts are one hell of a good organization and yes they do teach kids good values.
I could see how you would agree if you share those values, I personally do not. I am a militant atheist and I do boycott any organization that does not recognize gheys as equal human animals. So I will ask again, do they still require religion and do they accept gheys yet? Has nothing to do with what I hear in the news, has all to do with what is written in the boy scouts own policy documents.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 18, 2013 - 02:06pm PT
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"I haven't heard anything really positive about the boy scouts in a long time now."
Not in the media, you haven't...the only thing that makes the news is the latest BSA bullsh#t- well-deserved negative attention, in my book.
However, there is lots of positive things happening in many troops all the time- many of them are well-run, and are instilling very useful values into young people. The Scouts I see in various courses I teach (esp. Eagle Scouts) are usually really good kids with a bright future.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 18, 2013 - 02:13pm PT
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Not every troop is a jackbooted, Christian-raving, homophobic Lord of the Flies (some are, though).
Some of them are lead by people who don't subscribe to such extremism, and instead live & teach the core values that all people agree on.
You know, Ron...kind of like a moderate Republican? (Not that such a thing exists anymore)
Nah...you wouldn't understand such a thing.
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Deekaid
climber
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Oct 18, 2013 - 02:18pm PT
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hey militant squishy did you burn your bra?
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Oct 18, 2013 - 02:19pm PT
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Oohhhh...zing!!!
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 18, 2013 - 02:22pm PT
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With one glaring problem...
Gay men are not (necessarily) pedophiles.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 18, 2013 - 02:25pm PT
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You fuking idiot.
You NEVER have any idea what the fuk you are talking about. You are likely the dumbest fukhead on the planet.
As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in persons 16 years of age or older typically characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest toward prepubescent children (generally age 11 years or younger, though specific diagnostic criteria for the disorder extends the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13).
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Oct 18, 2013 - 02:26pm PT
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hahahah oh yikes.
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Deekaid
climber
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Oct 18, 2013 - 02:26pm PT
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Thank You Brandon
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Oct 18, 2013 - 02:33pm PT
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They vandalized a cave in Johnson Canyon. They started a forest fire.
And they still practice intolerance.
I hope they prosecute. The gleeful scream tells it all.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 18, 2013 - 02:49pm PT
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SOME gay men ARE pedophiles, although by FAR most are NOT
Sorry I wasn't general enough for you Norton. I should have had a "necessarily" in there.
Pedophiles are pedophiles, regardless of whether they are gay or not.
Gay men are gay men, which has NOTHING to do with pedophilia.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Oct 18, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
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The scouts just changed to allow gay boys but not adult leaders. As I was reading about this I was surprised to learn agnostics and atheists are not allowed. I am an assistant scout master and this was the first I heard of it. If I was asked on my intake form I would have said what I believed. I'm an agnostic atheist (don't believe in a personal god, bit don't claim it's impossible) I don't think I'll make a stink about it because scouts is for my son, but I was pretty shocked to read this and if they really asked me I would tell them what I believe and I guess they could kick me out.
We are in a troop from a Mormon church and they are the nicest people and have never prostelitized to me. It's weird the Mormons are less pushy about religion than the scouts.
Most of the values of scouts are great. Most leaders and troops are great. From what I've seen. More kids should experience scouts or something like it. The few negatives don't outweigh all the good ones.
What's really sad is these fatties didn't come clean and apologize. They are trying to justify what they did by saying it was loose. That thought might have gone through their heads before they did it but I retrospect they have to admit how dumb it was.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Potemkin Village
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Oct 18, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
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part time pedophiles
So who distinguishes between (a) part-time pedophiles, (b) full-time pedophiles and (c) no-time pedophiles?
I bet there are more "no-time pedophiles" in the closet than there are gays.
Who really wants to have this conversation, anyhow? Esp from an evolutionary perspective.
Here...
[Click to View YouTube Video]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWLhrHVySgA
Aren't we a shitload of moralists. ;)
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 18, 2013 - 03:12pm PT
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but do tell how a desire for young boys penis's and sphincters is not a homosexual trait.
You fuking ignorant piece of sh#t.
Sexual desire for young people, regardless of sex, is a psychological disorder called pedophilia. Pedophilia is not a homosexual trait.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Potemkin Village
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Oct 18, 2013 - 03:15pm PT
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By the way, is a "no-time pedophile" even a "pedophile?"
Maybe we have to pretend they are. Maybe some subjects (another torture? another theology?) are just too complex, complicated, for any intelligent discourse on an open public forum. Maybe best to always keep it on the down-low and handle it case by case or just not at all.
Just thinking out loud here. ;)
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Potemkin Village
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Oct 18, 2013 - 03:22pm PT
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You guys should quit reaming each other, lol, and contemplate my out-loud, open-forum philosophizing.
Btw, any Walter White groupies hanging out here? :)
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Potemkin Village
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Oct 18, 2013 - 03:43pm PT
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Hey, where is everybody?
Tough subject and the "tough" get going, lol!
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Rock!...oopsie.
Trad climber
the pitch above you
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 18, 2013 - 03:45pm PT
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I guess nobody wanted to debate assf*#king children anymore. Who woulda thunk.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Oct 18, 2013 - 03:56pm PT
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This is what happens when you are raised watching roadrunner versus
coyote cartoons and visit the only place on the planet where
cartoon scripts could actually play out.
The government maintaining an attractive nuisance like that without
a warning sign in multiple languages might just let them off the hook.
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Oct 18, 2013 - 04:05pm PT
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Don't let Pelut see this video. He'll think it's good aid climbing style and declare it A6+...
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 18, 2013 - 04:25pm PT
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Trying to make pedophilia PC are we LMAO!
You are a sick, ignorant fuk.
A male pedophile going after your young ass cherry has as much to do with homosexuality as you raping a 10 year old girl would have to do with heterosexuality.
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Rock!...oopsie.
Trad climber
the pitch above you
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 18, 2013 - 04:30pm PT
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Looks like I was wrong. Oh well.
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Bad Climber
climber
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Oct 18, 2013 - 05:13pm PT
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To get back to the OP: What a gang of useless FAT FU*&KS! Scout "leaders"? Seriously? I fear to tread where they are leading. We've all trundled, I supposed, but there's no way I'd tip over one of those cool boulders in a park DEVOTED TO THOSE COOL BOULDERS! It would be like going to Yellowstone with an AK47 and opening up on one of wolves--with the difference being that a dead wolf, however sad, could be replaced with the next litter. Useless pieces of sh*t.
BAd
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Oct 18, 2013 - 05:16pm PT
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When I was in the Boy Scouts (and a Senior Patrol leader) we did some silly, stupid and even dangerous things. And the adult leaders brought is into line Real Quick! This was part of growing up and learning to be responsible for the results of our decisions and actions.
We sure as heck didn't deliberately destroy ancient trees or rocks. We knew better than that from day 1.
And that was in Utarrrhh.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Potemkin Village
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Oct 18, 2013 - 05:17pm PT
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Okay, I'm sensing judgment here...
...when the marquee down the street at my neighborhood elementary school plainly reads, "Don't Judge."
Which is it? hmm...
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 18, 2013 - 06:02pm PT
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Man, too bad that hoodoo didn't rock just a little bit back the other direction and crush that phat phuck like the piece of sh#t he really is.
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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Oct 18, 2013 - 07:19pm PT
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the m-60 machine gun scene in BB was pretty ingenuous..
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Potemkin Village
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Oct 18, 2013 - 09:33pm PT
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sandstone,
I posted that BB ref after reading...
Breaking Bad is such an epic show, that show is the best show I've ever seen, its so awesome i would get a tattoo of Walter white , this song makes me want to cry!!!!! Theres a big gap in my heart! Ohhh the pain:(((( Long Live Heisenberg!!!!!!!!!! BITCH!!!!!!!
[Click to View YouTube Video]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C53QAuOoSgc
"And who would have thought that 41 years later this song would be rediscovered by a bunch of BrBa fans. Cool."
A thought-provoking show - work of art - layer after layer - that I'm glad is behind me now. (Whatever that means,lol!)
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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Oct 18, 2013 - 10:07pm PT
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"I did it for me. I liked it. I was good at it. And I was really -- I was alive."
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Oct 18, 2013 - 11:03pm PT
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Why bag on a group with traditional values? And if those who want to join do not share those values,, why in the hell would they want to join anyhow?
Why?
Because this sort of thing does have an important point: That if someone goes around doing things, and they belong to a group that espouses conservation values, they will damage that organization.
After all, how did anyone know these guys were scout leaders? They obviously were boasting of that.
It' like the Sierra Club guys I've seen come into a permit office, to find that permits for their favorite place were used up. "no, no, you don't understand", then pulled out their SC cards to get special treatment.
Same thing here.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 18, 2013 - 11:16pm PT
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Do the SC people get special treatment? Because you can bet your magic jammies that "members" get very special treatment in UT. If this hadn't been put on the intardweb for outsiders to see and they had still been caught, chances are they'd a got off pretty darn light.
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Oct 18, 2013 - 11:20pm PT
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Hey Rush . . . these are your people, why don't you do something about them.
What a prime example of what is wrong with this country.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Oct 18, 2013 - 11:39pm PT
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Oh, and Rong----pedophiles almost never live a homosexual lifestyle or have attraction to adult men. The sex of the victim has more to do with access than with the sex of the perp.
You should know that, as a former LEO.
This is the reason that the broad sweeps that the Boy Scouts and the Catholic Church have had to remove gays has had no impact on child attacks....they have targeted the wrong people.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Oct 20, 2013 - 06:04pm PT
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You couldn't make this sh#t up.
A Boy Scout leader who came under fire for pushing over an ancient boulder in a national park filed a suit last month claiming he was suffering permanent "disability" and "impairment" from an auto accident four years ago.
Glenn Taylor initially faced scrutiny after a video of him pushing over a Jurassic era rock formation in the Goblin Valley State Park in Utah went viral.
Taylor, a Boy Scout leader, told ABC News that he should have handled the incident differently but thought the boulder was dangerous and thought it would be safer to push it over.
"The Boy Scouts didn't teach me to do this," Taylor told ABC News. "Would I do it again? Yes, with a ranger standing there. That's what we should have done."
Charges Possible For Toppled Ancient Utah Rock
However Taylor is now facing additional scrutiny after it was revealed that he filed a suit claiming he has he endured "great pain and suffering, disability, impairment, loss of life" stemming from a 2009 car accident, according to ABC News affiliate KTVX-TV in Salt Lake City, Utah.
According to KTVX, Taylor said in the documents he has incurred an estimated $5,000 in medical related expenses.
Alan Macdonald, who is being sued by Taylor because it was his daughter who hit Taylor's car, told KTVX that he was "highly offended" by Taylor's actions.
"Somebody with a bad back who is disabled who can't enjoy life to me doesn't step up and push a rock right off its base," Macdonald said.
Calls to a number listed in Taylor's name and to his attorney were not immediately returned.
The Emery County Attorney's Office confirmed that it has been contacted by state park representatives and will review the case once an investigation is complete.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 20, 2013 - 08:03pm PT
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"You couldn't make this sh#t up."
No, but it's not at all surprising, either. Stupid tends to be present in all parts of the life of morons.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Oct 20, 2013 - 09:34pm PT
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...and yes they do teach kids good values...
Unfortunately, this is exactly what is wrong with the BSA.
I don't want their "values" in my world.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 20, 2013 - 10:52pm PT
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+1 SLR
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Oct 20, 2013 - 11:00pm PT
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mrtropy
Trad climber
Nor Cal
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Oct 20, 2013 - 11:32pm PT
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Why are they so fat?
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Oct 20, 2013 - 11:41pm PT
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My assessment of the BSA is correct. Narrow-mind, ignorant and intolerant people.
I will agree with you that maybe those rock-tipping morons do not represent the BSA.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Oct 23, 2013 - 03:28pm PT
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SLR those guys in no way represent the boy scouts.
If I read the article correctly, they are scout leaders. Doesn't that indicate that they represent the scouts?
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Oct 23, 2013 - 04:37pm PT
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Scout leaders are volunteers, who usually have kids in the program.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Oct 24, 2013 - 07:38pm PT
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I still remember my scout leaders from the early 60's
Krohn, Kimmel, Breach, Thompson.
Sure they had sons in the troop (except Breach). All fine men, good leaders, outdoorsmen.
They were also mature and sober and set excellent examples of responsibility and good citizenship.
But then I was lucky in having joined an all around good troop. Not all troops in the Great Salt Lake council were so fortunate.
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Jan 31, 2014 - 09:21pm PT
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I don't want their "values" in my world.
Which of the Boy Scout values do you not want?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jan 31, 2014 - 09:27pm PT
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From the article:
"We are taking it seriously," Blackwell said. "It's been an interesting case, mostly because of the attention it's garnered."
Good. Make an example of the stooopid fecks.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jan 31, 2014 - 09:30pm PT
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They should also be made to replace the rock they knocked over to its original place.
And hold it there for the full five years to make sure it doesn't
"fall over on the kids"
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 31, 2014 - 09:38pm PT
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I don't remember any pervs or anybody even objectionable, and I was in the
Scouts for a while. I do remember some not too bright kids though. One night
we were having the Retard Olympics, or some such. The discus throw was with
paper plates. Hey, it was winter and indoors. All these doofusses were not
really sending em because they were throwing them upright, as you would eat
off the plate. I turned mine upside down and got a lot of spin on it and
mine went four times as far.
"Hey, nobody said you had to throw it any certain way, did they?"
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Mar 18, 2014 - 08:08pm PT
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Sentenced today.
Pled down to misdemeanors, nearly a thousand each in fines plus a yet to be determined restitution to the state, predicted to be thousands.
The prosecutor said, "They are not hardened criminals."
Of course not. They are soft rock criminals.
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Rock!...oopsie.
Trad climber
the pitch above you
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 18, 2014 - 09:07pm PT
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Glad to hear they didn't get a slap on the wrist in the land of "dominion".
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MisterE
climber
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Mar 18, 2014 - 10:46pm PT
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Squishy, I am with you - but it seems like the outdoor education element needs to be preserved. They, for better or worse, are very representative of the early mainstream outdoor education process.
It seems a shame at some level to discount that IMPORTANT element in an ever-increasingly dis-associative culture, in the natural preservation sense.
Maybe they use it for their own gain - is it better than sitting at home playing war games?
I say Hell Yes!
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