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Al_Smith
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San Francisco, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 16, 2013 - 03:32pm PT
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...Anyone have an informed estimate. Looking at some of the pics on the 'Goats.' thread and from other sources and it seems to me that in at least a few photos the goats were rocking 5.8 terrain. LOL.
Anyone taken a photo or seen a goat on top of a mountain or pinnacle in which the easiest route to the top would give us an idea for their range?
I know this is a ridiculous topic but I'm actually curious. B/c if it turns out they crank harder than I do (which wouldn't be saying too much) I'm thinking of trying to develop some artificial hooves for my next outing!
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phylp
Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
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Oct 16, 2013 - 03:52pm PT
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This is a great question. It's at least 5.10!
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Oct 16, 2013 - 04:23pm PT
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Galen Rowell took a picture of a goat in the Cirque of the Unclimbables mantling past Galen's rappel anchors. 5.9+.
John
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Oct 16, 2013 - 04:28pm PT
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. . . JE, I was going to refer to that. . .
and they don't use ropes!
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Oct 16, 2013 - 04:34pm PT
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Steve,
Galen showed us slides of that in a talk in Berkeley in 1972 or 1973. He admitted that he chased it up the mountain, hoping it would do exactly what it did. The AAJ later published the picture, but not Galen's story of how he got the picture. It obviously made a rather strong impression on me.
John
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Al_Smith
climber
San Francisco, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 16, 2013 - 04:39pm PT
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John - Thanks for that answer. That's wild! I'll have to try to track down a little more on the Rowell story. Thx again - Al
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wayne w
Trad climber
the nw
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Oct 16, 2013 - 04:40pm PT
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That Galen shot of the goat was in one of his Books.
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Kenygl
Trad climber
Salt Lake City
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Oct 16, 2013 - 04:41pm PT
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But they climb choss. JK I've seen them do some amazing stuff here in the Wasatch. As well as drop a rock on my head at the gate buttress. That smarted. I now wear a helmet.
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Inner City
Trad climber
East Bay
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Oct 16, 2013 - 05:49pm PT
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Al,
I bet these suckers can do solid 5.6 maybe 5.7....
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Darwin
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Oct 16, 2013 - 05:53pm PT
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Just another data point.
5.9 on that alternate start to Outer Space on Snow Creek Wall in Leavenworth WA. And that was one of the kids that we didn't chase up the route. We were going to do the route, but we backed off because we were scared we would drive the kid off the ledge. It started raining shortly after that anyway.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Oct 16, 2013 - 06:08pm PT
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As I recall, Galen Rowell also noted goat skeletons at the base.
They don't have a magical protection against mistakes, either....
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Al_Smith
climber
San Francisco, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 16, 2013 - 06:26pm PT
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The below link was sent to me by a friend this morning, which was the main motivator for starting this thread.
http://twentytwowords.com/2012/01/11/13-pictures-of-crazy-goats-on-cliffs/
My comment back to that person was, 'Wow, pretty incredible, but I take it at least three of these goats died moments after these pics were taken.'
And Dave - 5.6 was my original guess, but I guess the bar is substantially higher! Pretty amazing stuff.
And it also just goes to show that 'going up' is instinctual after all...
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Oct 16, 2013 - 06:32pm PT
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I've seen bighorns in Josh walk across slabs up by the Cowboy Crags (above and right of Saddle Rocks.) That had to be 5.8 terrain, and they were just strolling around all casual.
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Al_Smith
climber
San Francisco, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 16, 2013 - 06:42pm PT
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Exhibit A
Would love to know how he climbed out of that jam...
Sure looks pretty technical to me.
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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Oct 16, 2013 - 10:16pm PT
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Well, yeah. Those cars on the ground!
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Oct 16, 2013 - 10:19pm PT
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Goats!
Gimme a sec, I saw some pretty astounding goat photos today. I'll try to upload them.
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Darwin
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Oct 16, 2013 - 10:25pm PT
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Seriously, they can dyno far beyond what we can. That's understatement to some power of ten.
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
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Oct 16, 2013 - 10:31pm PT
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That image of the goats mounted in a tree is famous. There are many others however as well. It is not likely photoshopped.
They are in an Argan tree. Native in Morocco or Algeria and now grown too in Israel. The tree has a fruit with a really hard nut in it which is rich in important and luxury Argan oil. The tree grows in forests actually in this region, covering 8,280 square kilometers. The Union has designated this as a UNESCO Bioshpere reserve even.
The goats poop out the nuts and that is one of the original ways the nut is brought to market. The fruit is pretty tough and nasty, apparently, and goats handle it pretty well.
Here is another less spectacular image. All this from Wikipedia:
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thebravecowboy
Social climber
Colorado Plateau
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Oct 16, 2013 - 10:34pm PT
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for Locker, some Goat Bong stoner goat rock:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Bong more goats at http://goatbong.bandcamp.com/
Not gonna lie, pretty sick of the goats climbing thing web trend.
Still, they do pull some crazy moves. I once watched a Bighorn ewe lead her very, very wobbly-legged new to the world lamb/kid up above an overhang on an Entrada slickrock slab that had to be 5.5 or so. The ewe led it fine but the youngster balked.
I watched a lone Bighorn ram trundle a 75lb or so boulder down a talus slope, seemingly intentionally sending it towards our trail crew.
I wonder if the goat/Bighorn sheep burl on the rock is related to their massive cojones?
Now is that what dude meant when he said I should just carry a bivy sack?
These dudes call it a 'church bell.' And they eat the goat nuts for their climbing prowess. They 'feel called to do it.'[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Oct 16, 2013 - 10:37pm PT
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Oct 16, 2013 - 10:41pm PT
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Master routefinders
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Oct 16, 2013 - 10:52pm PT
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If I get reincarnated I want to be a mountain goat.
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thebravecowboy
Social climber
Colorado Plateau
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Oct 16, 2013 - 10:56pm PT
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I just want to be reincarnated as the church bell. My girlfriend says huge scrotums and balls mean you get laid a lot.
Chicks dig big scrotums is the way I read it.
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pb
Sport climber
Sonora Ca
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Oct 17, 2013 - 12:17am PT
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they're just dumb I says....whats your excuse? wife asks
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aran
Trad climber
berkeley, ca
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Oct 17, 2013 - 01:11am PT
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This is the best thread. Ever. I love it. Never seen a mountain goat out there, so can't comment, but I keep looking!
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MisterE
climber
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Oct 17, 2013 - 01:13am PT
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It's kind of goaty around here - I could smell it.
A friendly head-butt from a resident January goat.
;)
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 17, 2013 - 01:17am PT
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My ex was a major goat researcher. I've chased those buggers all over the Olympic Mountains with her. There's nothing they can't do. I've seen week old babies romping up
and down mind-boggling stuff.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Oct 17, 2013 - 08:31am PT
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@Chris.. that is actually a pretty famous piece of film footage (albeit a very corrupted copy). I think they used it on Wild Kingdom(?) BITD. Sticks in your memory since it's so friggin' amazing. I've seen film footage of kangaroos doing exactly the same thing.
anyhow.. back to the goats...
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weezy
climber
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Oct 17, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
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I've seen them do some amazing stuff here in the Wasatch.
I watched a goat make it a good ways up Hatchet Crack (5.7) before bailing off to the side. I've also seen tons of goats come down the Schoolroom rappels. They take a line slightly to the looker's right of the rappels.
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alpinist
Trad climber
tahoe city
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Oct 29, 2013 - 12:22pm PT
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this was at Trango base camp in 2007...I figured that the goat knew what was coming for him the next day (shish kabob) so he really went all out. the route is 5.8-9 smeary slab.
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alxj
Trad climber
Calgary, AB
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Oct 29, 2013 - 12:23pm PT
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Climbing near Mt Rushmore in '95, I was leading a 5.10 second pitch when my belayer let me know that he was slowly creeping up the start of the pitch because a goat had trotted up a 20 ft 5.9 crack below us and was approaching the base of our pitch.
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james williamson
climber
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Oct 29, 2013 - 12:38pm PT
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Climbing on the sparsely protected granite dome of Stone Mtn, NC in the early 1980"s, journeyman ace EZ reported seeing a pair of goats mating in the middle of a 5.9+ pitch a coupla hundred feet off the deck. Most of us have had to at least clip in to do that!!
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OnL4ch
Sport climber
San Francisco
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Oct 29, 2013 - 12:41pm PT
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do they ever fall?
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Evel
Trad climber
Nedsterdam CO
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Oct 29, 2013 - 12:45pm PT
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The goats at Stone mt. NC seemed to know when you were cruxing WAY out from the last bolt and would take the opportunity to run right up to you and snort. They could climb 5.10 all day! Sadly they're gone now.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 29, 2013 - 12:50pm PT
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do they ever fall?
Believe it or not, yes. They also succumb to avalanches.
We never did figure out what caused their horrible Stinkeye...
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John Ely
Trad climber
DC
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Oct 29, 2013 - 12:53pm PT
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This all seems exaggerated.
Here's some 4th class, easy 5th class by young uns.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2_XApOGjoI
I've seen domesticated goats fall in Albania, usually on steep vegetated areas above slabs....they went at least 100 meters, two or three on one occasion.
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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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Oct 29, 2013 - 03:25pm PT
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I watched a bighorn sheep send 5.9 in Red Rocks. I even think she was off route a little.
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matty
Trad climber
under the sea
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Oct 29, 2013 - 03:42pm PT
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Goats use a different scale to rate their climbs
G3..G2...G1....G0 CLIMB!
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Oct 29, 2013 - 03:56pm PT
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rnevius,
Thank you. Mountain animals' abilities always fascinate and amaze me.
John
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rnevius
Trad climber
The Range of Light
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Oct 29, 2013 - 04:00pm PT
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Rockfall, eagles, humans...those free-soloing goats have some major cojones.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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Oct 29, 2013 - 11:22pm PT
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Here are some goats on the side of a dam in Switzerland licking salt.
And somewhere I have a shot of a feral goat running down Dixie Crystals(5.9+) at Stone Mountain, NC. He( she? ) was being chased by a dog, who stopped at about Easy 5.9.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Oct 29, 2013 - 11:30pm PT
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cue up the climbing baboons if you want to see some 5.14
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Alnatural
Trad climber
Jackson,Wyoming
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Oct 31, 2013 - 04:33pm PT
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My ex girlfriend's dog chased some goats across a slab at J tree onto a tiny little dike, where the dog, and goats speed climbed in good form.I looked up the climb later and determined it to be "X Rated tits" 5.9.The forward momentum is what prevents the critters from launching .Its amazing that they can stick to granite with just hoofs and claws.
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Willoughby
Social climber
Truckee, CA
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Oct 31, 2013 - 05:40pm PT
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The goats at Stone mt. NC seemed to know when you were cruxing WAY out from the last bolt and would take the opportunity to run right up to you and snort. They could climb 5.10 all day! Sadly they're gone now.
In a shoebox somewhere, I have an old photo of one of those goats, or at least what was left of its remains, on the Tree Ledge. So yes, they do fall sometimes.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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I have seen them on Outer Space in Leavenworth too. Solid climbers.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 14, 2013 - 12:30pm PT
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I recall seeing that goat chimney video when a youngster, or one showing goats doing the same outrageous descent.
Aren't we glad that's not part of the descent route from the Captain, eh?
"Descend the East Ledges Chimney in the goat-carom mode, (Third Class)..."
but that's silly, it can be rapped quickly and safely and there's pigs, too.
Yoemite SAR goats: The good old St. Bernard would be out-classed automatically and could stay out behind Werner's in with the mules.
I would volunteer to tend the herd in exchange for a place to live, which isn't really volunteering, just a possible ploy to get to live there.
Goats are versatile friends of man, like dogs and unlike cats (who are good mousers, but good for little else besides kissing up).
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Chewybacca
Trad climber
Montana, Whitefish
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Nov 14, 2013 - 01:16pm PT
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I hate to be the party pooper but the Ibex video is not real. I wish it was real but it isn't.
To the question 'Do they fall?'. Yes they do. I've found their remains at the base of cliffs and in an avalanche path. Surprisingly many of these falls are not accidental. Mt Goats can be pretty aggressive with each other. I have some fighting photos on my hard drive, I'll try to load them tonight.
Here is one of a goat that fell and survived with both horns broken.
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I like to think of them as my 'Alpine Angels', but they don't always act very angelic.
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spearson
Mountain climber
San Francisco, CA
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No idea what this would rank on YDS (5.5?) but still pretty darn crazy to see a herd of goats doing it.
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clockclimb
Trad climber
Orem, Utah
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Dec 23, 2013 - 12:40am PT
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I have seen their hair caught on small bushes along 5.8 climbs. I was amazed to see their tracks in a light covering of snow over ice on a 5.7 slab. Also saw a baby goat leap down a 10 foot cliff short-cutting to get to his mother.
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