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rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 7, 2014 - 10:24pm PT
sketch,,i'll apologize when i am wrong..
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Mar 11, 2014 - 07:27pm PT
Heres a funny story.


Went to the urgent care clinic this morning for get something for this flu like crap ive had over a month.. THEY CANNOT find me in the system so i was billed for services and x-rays to the tune of 700.00. Went to the pharmacy AFTER speaking with someone there and when i got there ,, they couldnt accept my ACCOUNT NUMBER of my health coverage - only a "member ID" number which i havent received yet. And the prescrips for two lousy little inhalers ans some antibiotics,,,,,,,,,just under 600.00....All to get rid of the FLU......................



F*#K THEM ALL---F*#K HEALTH CARE INSURANCE and F*#K THAT SYSTEM RIGHT TO THE GODDAMM GRAVE.




edit: "Shrink,,, i wanna kill,, i wanna see dead burnt bodies".....
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 11, 2014 - 09:17pm PT


Right on Hightraverse, I happy to hear some positive stuff and that it's heading in the right direction for you and your wife. It's still too soon to see how it shakes out for me, but it looks bad from what I can see so far. (don't have to make any changes as of yet though)

(note the total lack of sarcasm on the positive stuff thing, I was straight up for that, anyone else have good news your way on this subject, lay it down)

Curious: What did you have in the past, and what did you wind up with?





HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Mar 11, 2014 - 10:36pm PT
Sketch queried
Can someone explain something to me?

Based on current news, about 4 million Americans have signed up for new insurance through some aspect of the ACA program. By new insurance, I'm talking about people who were without any insurance before signing up.

Back in 2009, we were regularly told about the 46 million Americans without insurance. My math maybe off, but it looks like more than 90% are still without health insurance.

What's wrong with this picture?

http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2013/06/06/the-uninsured-after-implementation-of-the-affordable-care-act-a-demographic-and-geographic-analysis/

The original design of the law still left 10's of millions of people without insurance (which is why liberals were so frustrated with it). Additionally, many millions of the uncovered were supposed to be insured through expanded Medicaid but 21 have refused it outright and 4 are still in the "considering" stage. That's half the states with people falling into that gap. Note that because the ACA was created with the assumption that those people would be covered by Medicaid, they don't qualify for federal subsidies and are completely boned. I don't think even the authors of the paper I linked even thought that many states would refuse coverage.





Ron raged
Went to the urgent care clinic this morning for get something for this flu like crap ive had over a month.. THEY CANNOT find me in the system so i was billed for services and x-rays to the tune of 700.00. Went to the pharmacy AFTER speaking with someone there and when i got there ,, they couldnt accept my ACCOUNT NUMBER of my health coverage - only a "member ID" number which i havent received yet. And the prescrips for two lousy little inhalers ans some antibiotics,,,,,,,,,just under 600.00....All to get rid of the FLU......................

Well, for starters if they gave you antibiotics then you don't have the flu. Second, if you have coverage you will be reimbursed by your insurance for the money they should have paid. Third, did you make sure to ask for generics? You just got a glimpse of the world of health care with poor or no insurance. It sucks.

Also, what happened to your "I negotiate all the prices down because I pay cash and that system works just fine all this insurance stuff is a liberal sham" strategy? You were pretty insistent that that would work for literally everyone.




Putting all my Obamcare victims debunked links here in case some people don't read the other, more histrionic thread.


http://www.salon.com/2013/10/18/inside_the_fox_news_lie_machine_i_fact_checked_sean_hannity_on_obamacare/
http://www.newshounds.us/megyn_kelly_s_phony_obamacare_victim_doesn_t_need_to_die_11082013
http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/21239-anatomy-of-an-obamacare-horror-story
http://prospect.org/article/another-phony-obamacare-victim-story
http://www.newshounds.us/greta_van_susteren_outs_her_own_fake_obamacare_victim_sort_of_10302013
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Mar 11, 2014 - 11:46pm PT
Uh Oh, the Unions are starting to break their " silence"

Unite Here, which calls itself "the first international union to endorse Barack Obama for President in 2008," says it supports the intent of the Affordable Care Act, but charges it will transfer a billion dollars in wealth to insurance companies, make the playing field in the market uneven, force employers convert more jobs to part time, and cause pay cuts.

"Ironically, the administrationís own signature healthcare victory poses one of the most immediate challenges to redressing inequality," the report says.

"Yes, the Affordable Care Act will help many more Americans gain some health insurance coverage, a significant step forward for equality. At the same time, without smart fixes, the ACA threatens the middle class with higher premiums, loss of hours, and a shift to part-time work and less comprehensive coverage."

The union called it "ironic" that the White House has made efforts to accommodate businesses, churches, and congressional staff, yet is "now highlighting issues of economic inequality without acting to preserve health plans that have been achieving the goals of the ACA for decades."

"Without a smart fix, the ACA will heighten the inequality that the administration seeks to reduce Ö We cannot sit idly by as the politicians carve up our health plans while they carve out exceptions for themselves and every special interest feeding at the trough in Washington," the document concludes.

Unite Here's website says it represents 265,000 workers across the United States and Canada in the hotel, gaming, food service, manufacturing, textile, distribution, laundry, and airport industries.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Mar 12, 2014 - 09:53am PT
So you're saying that Obama isn't a shill for the unions?
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Mar 15, 2014 - 08:32am PT
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/richard-burr-canadian-expert-health-care

The Senate Subcommittee on Primary Health and Aging held a hearing Tuesday on "what the U.S. health care system can learn from other countries," where single-payer health care was discussed. And The Los Angeles Times' Michael Hiltzik caught an exchange between Sen. Richard Burr (R-NC) and Danielle Martin, a Canadian physician and health policy professor.

Burr came at Martin with a number of questions, pointed questions. But Martin had answers. Hiltzik highlighted some key moments.

"Dr. Martin, in your testimony you note that Canadian doctors exiting the public system for the private sector has had the effect of increasing waiting lists for patients seeking public health care," Burr said. "Why are doctors exiting the public system in Canada?"

"Thank you for your question, senator," Martin said. "If I didnít express myself in a way to make myself understood, I apologize. There are no doctors exiting the public system in Canada, and in fact we see a net influx of physicians from the United States into the Canadian system over the last number of years."

**Later on, Burr asked Martin: "On average, how many Canadian patients on a waiting list die each year? Do you know?"

"I donít, sir, but I know that there are 45,000 in America who die waiting because they donít have insurance at all," Martin said. **



That would be a sweet burn if it wasn't so horrifically sad.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 7, 2014 - 11:09am PT


I guess this was inevitable, Hitler slags on Obamacare. Video: http://safeshare.tv/w/jyeqLxShwx



Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Apr 7, 2014 - 11:49am PT
Hitler doesn't like Obamacare?

That's your move?

dirtbag

climber
Apr 10, 2014 - 08:53pm PT
So it appears that not 7.1 million, but instead 7.5 million people signed up before the deadline. Sounds like an unmitigated failure.
spectreman

Trad climber
Apr 10, 2014 - 09:33pm PT
I thought the goal of obummercare was to insure the 40 million people without insurance. How is 7.5 million sign ups a success when the majority of those people already had insurance to begin with?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Apr 10, 2014 - 09:50pm PT
What do you want for a Trillion dollars, Spectreman?

Jesus!
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Apr 10, 2014 - 09:50pm PT
Please show us where anyone said that the goal of Obamacare was to insure 40 million people.

What do you want for a Trillion dollars, Spectreman?

Jesus!

He probably costs more than that.


ruppell

climber
Apr 10, 2014 - 09:59pm PT
dirtbag

climber
Apr 10, 2014 - 10:30pm PT
Please show us where anyone said that the goal of Obamacare was to insure 40 million people.

Yes.

And while you're at it, please show us the Republican plan to insure anyone who isn't already insured.
dirtbag

climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 09:44am PT
^^^^^...crickets...


(lol)
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 04:40pm PT
Around 40 Million Americans who currently do not have health insurance are projected to have coverage by 2019.

http://obamacarefacts.com/affordable-care-act-facts.php

Found the above link on the first page of googling and it appears to be at least one source of ACA's goal of 40 million to be insured.

A better question would be what percentage of the 7.5 million new signups had no insurance before passage of ACA.

I always like to remind myself that skepticism is essential to science but poison to political causes.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Apr 11, 2014 - 04:47pm PT
by 2019.

But we aren't there yet in early 2014, so clearly the whole endeavor is a catastrophic failure.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 11, 2014 - 04:58pm PT
I thought the goal of obummercare was to insure the 40 million people without insurance. How is 7.5 million sign ups a success when the majority of those people already had insurance to begin with?

yes, it was a hoped for "goal"

however, we have 26 states that are run by Republicans who have refused to extend Medicaid under the ACA to their poorest citizens

do you understand now that an additional 20 million Americans are getting screwed because they live in Republican controlled states?

in addition, you can count on the number of insured going much higher as time goes on

think ahead now, what will you be trying to criticize then?
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:43pm PT
And while you're at it, please show us the Republican plan to insure anyone who isn't already insured.

The presumption that drives this question is false.

It's not the government's job to ensure that anybody has health insurance.

It's not the government's job to ensure that "poor" people get their needs met by "rich" people.

It's not the government's job to ensure that ANY positive rights are satisfied.

The "rights" mentioned in the Constitution were all negative rights, and the fundamental shift in perspective (that most now unquestioningly hold) reached the tipping point under FDR, and now "Americans" virtually all believe in positive rights.

So, under the Constitution, the Rumblecans don't have any "duty" to come up with some plan to ensure that people have health insurance.

It not they yab, man!
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