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locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Oct 5, 2013 - 12:03pm PT

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tioga

Mountain climber
pac northwest
Oct 5, 2013 - 12:09pm PT
One difference between communist health care system and Bummercare is that in the US you'll have to pay explicit fee if you opt out and explicit fees to enroll--and you have to do that, under the new law. In communist system, the fees were implicit and unlisted, while being deducted from every person's paycheck. Under Soviet communists, though, the majority of population qualified as "middle class", while in the US there's less and less of it...more and more of rich vs. poor. So, if you're a US middle class person you'll have to bear unfair burden under Bummercare. Also, communist health care system did not have deductibles, under 0 deductible and all 100% covered principle, unlimited hospital stay, etc. Real world healthcare is very cheap--in the US artificially inflated by criminal medical and pharma mafia. It's kind of like, say, you want to take Physics in the US college. The system tells you: you have (required) to pay $120 for the new edition of Physics textbook--while $15 old edition contains exact same info. This is how they operate here.
tioga

Mountain climber
pac northwest
Oct 5, 2013 - 12:16pm PT
My understanding so far is that you have opt out and pay, or buy insurance.
If you say it's not true, according to the actual law, I'd be happy to hear that. But I hope proving this doesn't require taking your case all the way to Supreme Court.
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Oct 5, 2013 - 12:17pm PT


"The system tells you: you have to pay $120 for new edition of Physics textbook--while $15 old edition contains exact same info. This is how they operate here."...

Not just here...

Taking advantage of people exists World Wide...

Manimal

climber
SLT, Ca
Oct 5, 2013 - 12:17pm PT
If your are honest about it, there are idiot kool aide drinkers on both sides of the aisle (as is evident in some of the previous posts). Conversely there are solid thinkers on both sides too. The reality is that none of us is solely liberal or conservative and this team mentality is anathema to an open exchange of good ideas. Try not to see everything through a lens and open your mind to good ideas no matter what the source. And, let the facts speak the truth they hold. Don't deny them for keeping the team's face. Ban the teams. It's not a football game, it's life we are actually negotiating.
tioga

Mountain climber
pac northwest
Oct 5, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
Basically, the strategy is to fatten, poison and sicken the population (Monsanto, etc), insure and make money off all that. The insurance companies and medical and pharma industry will get great profits. Plus, more lab rats for human subject research... great stuff. Healthcare management and records processsing (outsourced to India) will get great profits too--bigger, fatter bribes for DC/local governments. Everyone wins.
In the meanwhile...worthless service economy generates nothing to pay for the care....engineering workforce is being destroyed locally...overinflated living standards...wait for the end of it all. In its current state, US is the least equipped to implement stuff like bummercare....
tioga

Mountain climber
pac northwest
Oct 5, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
^Ignorant, trash-spewing lowlife like you does not deserve response from me.
Go, disappear, bye. Example of liberal-wannabe troll. I don't read or respond to idiots' personal attacks, which reflect their education level. You type your insults online... in person you'd be wagging tail like a little chihuahua coward. Anyway, ignored from now on.
tioga

Mountain climber
pac northwest
Oct 5, 2013 - 12:40pm PT
Speaking of medical system--since USSR had been brought up in this thread...
THE Doctors that worked in their healthcare system continued to provide care, holding themselves to the highest professional standard, through all stages of Union collapse. While not receiving pay, not having food to eat, they continued to provide high quality care for their patients, sacrificing their comfort, safety in many cases. NOT like the entitled, fattened off high profits, semi-professional, in-human, cold and greedy body-processing personnel that dominates US healthcare (with exceptions, of course). Before you fund them, ask what you're funding.
What a jump from THE Nurses (or Doctors) who walked 1000s of miles pulling wounded under the bullets from the battle field during WW2 in Europe, etc, receiving no profits...to the current US fat cats.
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Oct 5, 2013 - 12:45pm PT


"^Ignorant, trash-spewing lowlife like you does not deserve response from me.
Go, disappear, bye. Example of liberal-wannabe troll. I don't read or respond to idiots' personal attacks, which reflect their education level. You type your insults online... in person you'd be wagging tail like a little chihuahua coward. Anyway, ignored from now on."
...



Of course the above response COULD be viewed as a DODGE to Nortons question...

Hmmm...

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Oct 5, 2013 - 12:50pm PT
If your are honest about it, there are idiot kool aide drinkers on both sides of the aisle (as is evident in some of the previous posts). Conversely there are solid thinkers on both sides too. The reality is that none of us is solely liberal or conservative and this team mentality is anathema to an open exchange of good ideas. Try not to see everything through a lens and open your mind to good ideas no matter what the source. And, let the facts speak the truth they hold. Don't deny them for keeping the team's face. Ban the teams. It's not a football game, it's life we are actually negotiating.

This makes entirely too much sense.
(Libertarians aren't team players)
sullly

Trad climber
Oct 5, 2013 - 12:54pm PT
Norton, why not lay off Tioga? She seems to have an impressive sci./engineering background and grew up in the USSR. Plus she's female with a guns blazing technique. How often do we see that here on ST?

Too many women seem to see that their sole duty here is to give written hand jobs to male posters. I spit on them (in my head at least).

locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Oct 5, 2013 - 12:57pm PT


"hand jobs to male posters"...

Put me down for three please!!!...

dirtbag

climber
Oct 5, 2013 - 01:05pm PT
Put me down for three please!!!...


Credit: dirtbag


I'm your Huckleberry, Honey.
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Oct 5, 2013 - 01:06pm PT


"I spit on them (in my head at least)."...


Please aim at your hand...

The lubrication will be GREATLY appreciated!!!...





EDITED:

Nice "Moobs"...

locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Oct 5, 2013 - 01:18pm PT

sullly...

I actually AGREE with you and am JUST fuking around as usual...


I personally DO NOT dig complacent woman in general...(EDITED: IMHO nothing beats an independent thinking Lady with "Spit" on her hands ;-)...

I see ZERO need for ANY woman to hold back her thoughts...

tioga

Mountain climber
pac northwest
Oct 5, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
Taking advantage of people exists World Wide...
Yes, it does. But specifically in Russia, China, India one can (at least could up to mid-2000) get a Physics, Math, engineering older textbook for few cents and use it for their class...yet (sometimes starved, financially devastated) schools produced top notch engineering professionals and scientists. No one placed ridiculous requirements to "pay up".

Now, here's one example of horrible liberal (in quotes) narrow-mindedness, witch hunting, hatred and bigotry (plastering photos of a person all over "Free" city of San Francisco...free to for hobos to sh#t on sidewalks, the only kind of freedom in that "pseudo liberal" bastion). Plastering their photos and harassing them, trying to destroy their business, because they expressed views unpopular with "liberal" majority, aka merely criticizing SF in PERSONAL blog (some of this person's views are very unpopular with me too, but why create a witch hunt?):

http://sfist.com/2013/08/19/startup_bro_apologizes_for_san_fran.php

One example of persecution of a person for their beliefs and free speech.
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Oct 5, 2013 - 04:18pm PT

^^^

LOL!!!...

You FINALLY nailed a real good one and it's a beauty!!!...

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