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Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 5, 2013 - 07:59pm PT
I didn't know the grade translation when I watched the vid and made the OP.

I was moved by the grace and power of a top tier climber going all out. Those stems were amazing. The features on the wall are priceless. The position is other worldly. Her back is a sight to behold. She's an inspiration to me and hopefully to my partners as well.

The question was answered right away munge, the essence of sport climbing is climbing.

Only have to watch the vid to see that.

I'm happy clipping 5 dot easy sport routes too and the whole Dirty Hippy Never Clip a Bolt thing? I couldn't care less. I go tradding when I want.

DMT

guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Sep 5, 2013 - 08:03pm PT
People that think sport climbing is 'fun' haven't projected a route and pushed their physical limits.

Patric... that is just plain wrong.

It's the working, learning and remembering the sequences that make "IT" fun.... and when and if you get the red point... well thats the golden ring.


And to Chief... YOU go to ORG, CC and other spots, so how come the hate on SC????
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 5, 2013 - 08:05pm PT
Guyman it doesn't have to be fun to be fun. Hmmm, now who said that? ;-)

Something interesting from the About section of Monique's web page:

Gíday! My name is Monique Forestier, I am a climbing fanatic and I live in the Blue Mountains (near Sydney) with my hubby Simon Carter and daughter Coco.

I have been climbing now for 15 years. Climbing has given me, not only the perfect physical and mental outlet; it has been a constant in my life and a direction on which to set the compass to travel the world. I am truly lucky to have visited many wonderful places and to have met beautiful people whilst living my life of adventure. Now with Coco on board itís certainly more challenging in fact travelling with Coco has opened many doors and she adds yet another element to enrich our travel experiences.

Some of my notable achievements are becoming the first Australian women to climb routes graded 31 and 32. But to worry too much about grades seriously misses the point about what climbing has to offer. For me climbing allows me to push my limits, physical and mental. Focussing on my own dreams and setting my own personal challenges has given me the freedom and direction for which to pursue my climbing.
Monique Forestier

DMT
eKat

Trad climber
Less than a second shy of 49 minutes
Sep 5, 2013 - 08:09pm PT
What's the essence of sport climbing?

As with any pursuit, in the name of recreation, hands down, it's got to be FUN!
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Sep 5, 2013 - 08:10pm PT
I'll climb ANYTHING and love every minute of it,
But I still prefer to climb cracks or any features
where I can place my own gear.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Sep 5, 2013 - 08:17pm PT
DMT... +1

I recall it goes something like this.... "most folks would not consider this fun"

And you are correct... the essence is the climbing


EDIT: Bob D'A ..... NEXT time please get a better pic of Lynn, OK.
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
Sep 5, 2013 - 08:57pm PT
DMT,

But it's not, unless we disregard fully the adjective attached to the phrase "Sport Climbing"

What is essential to climbing is climbing. That's tautologically true.

What is essential to sport climbing is sport climbing.

But to make sense of that is to define it's core characteristics.


Usually this is where I go into a rant about the history of a thing, rather than it's essence, since really essences are metaphysical objects. I.e. they are part of the world of ideas. But I'm ready to head out the door and go boulder. HAH!

:)

Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Sep 5, 2013 - 09:00pm PT
Isn't, ALL, Climbing, a Sport?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 5, 2013 - 09:00pm PT
Yes let's disregard all the adjectives and stick to the important part - climbing.

Like on those boulders.

I'm about to head to Pho Dynasty for some Vietnamese noodles and pork, mmmmm. Meeting a friend whom I've known, oh sh#t, 27 years. Hopefully hit up the boulder at the park after I've stuffed myself :D

DMT
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Sep 5, 2013 - 09:13pm PT
Nice shot of Mark and Lynn. Got one question. Appears that Lynn is taller than Mark.... wtf is up with that?

That's funny, we were actually comparing heights. She said she is 5' 1 3/4", and that its important for us short people to work the quarter inches. I told her that I'm 5' 1 7/8" and that the eighths are even more important!
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Sep 5, 2013 - 09:34pm PT
I ride a beater cruiser to work, but it is a single speed without a helmet so that makes me cool.

.and furthermore, I have an opinion on how others should ride their bikes.

Gears, helmets, spin classes to train, intervals, heart rate monitors: all that is for pussies.

I ride my beater cruiser in a finer style than any road rider.
mucci

Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
Sep 5, 2013 - 11:10pm PT
At the heart of it:

Ball cupping.
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Sep 5, 2013 - 11:17pm PT
If the .xx after the 5 didn't matter to you, you'd be over on Summitpost.com beating off about the trail up the back side. That .xx is everything - and a whole lot of what many of you don't appear to have sh#t of.

The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
Sep 5, 2013 - 11:45pm PT
The essence of sport climbing is climbing.

Climbing the rock with the minimal amount of gear, and leaving the sheltered corners and crack systems behind. Straight over roofs, and linking up features on the steep open face. Dangling around and making creative use of your feet as you go, not limited to hand and foot jams in a crack, and not worried about ripping dicey gear out and busting yourself up. Cams and nuts are kind of a PITA to drag up steep cliffs, and fiddling around trying to place them on the lead is too.

Then you gotta add runners to the pieces on long pitches to make the rope run free. A well bolted sport pitch has next to no rope drag, and rope drag is, well, a drag.

In a lot of ways, sport climbing is the purest form of climbing. Depending on what your definition of climbing is, right? (ya grumpy old curmudgeons) Bouldering is purer in a way, but you can't boulder the big stuff, or most of us can't, and the big stuff forms the roots of climbing.

Definitely doesn't earn the buzz of a life and limb risking all out trad horror show, but sport climbing is a great way for old guys, and even young folks, to climb steep rock in the great outdoors.
alina

Trad climber
CA
Sep 5, 2013 - 11:48pm PT
I'm speaking up because
a) from previous posts, it seems you guys were just begging for a women's opinion
and b) I have a strong issue with the "sport climbing = pure athletic movement" statement, which leaves trad as... ???

I disagree because, for me, the essence of athleticism and the perfection of movement comes from the mental state. Fear, consequences, and the focus required to deal with those factors contribute a psychological aspect to climbing. With focus, we have pure athletic movement. Without, we have a lurching about.
So, for me, a free solo comes closer to what was mentioned as the "essence of sport climbing" than batting around on top rope. And pushing myself mentally and physically on a trad route is definitely pure athletic movement.
Leggs

Sport climber
Tucson, AZ
Sep 5, 2013 - 11:59pm PT
What are you talking about? Rules? We are talking about freaking CLIMBING! All forms of it are supposed to be fun, and than it only matters how serious you take it and how obsessive you are about improving. I donít think the rules apply to climbing. Every single participant makes up his own rules. And if a bunch of people in one area agree to one set of rules due to peer pressure etc it doesnít mean the whole world must play, or respect those rules.
I do not sport climb often, but when I do I have a good time. In Peru for example it gave me time to rest mentally and get excited about climbing the high mountains again. It is good training. I still am afraid to fall even though I know there is a bolt below me.
God, if I cared about every single rule other people have...
Vitaliy makes some excellent points in his statement.



As does kaholatingtong with his contribution:
its about the ability to focus on just the difficulty of the moves, and thus, to push said difficulty a lot further. very similar to bouldering for me, just longer, with a rope, and with a power-endurance aspect i suppose.



Dingus, thank you for sharing Monique's clip... damn awesome! SHE is an inspiration!


And the Zoolander clip... I nearly peed my pants.


Mungeclimber

Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
Sep 6, 2013 - 03:13pm PT
Oh Mucci.





locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Sep 6, 2013 - 03:17pm PT


"The essence of sport climbing is climbing.

Climbing the rock with the minimal amount of gear, and leaving the sheltered corners and crack systems behind. Straight over roofs, and linking up features on the steep open face. Dangling around and making creative use of your feet as you go, not limited to hand and foot jams in a crack."
...


+1

patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Sep 6, 2013 - 03:38pm PT
Sport climbing is both.
Oplopanax

Mountain climber
The Deep Woods
Sep 6, 2013 - 03:38pm PT
The essence of sport climbing is to crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their wimmin...

Or to be the climber having the most fun.

How do they shoot the bolts up there anyhow?
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