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Grippa
Trad climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 25, 2013 - 10:53am PT
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Climbing all over the west I've noticed that no matter where I go there's always brilliant color schemes, and natural licheny paint jobs to entertain my eyes. Post some of your favorites.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Jun 25, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
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Grippa and Dingus.
They are our close relatives.
Excellent thread. Keep posting!
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Jun 25, 2013 - 01:21pm PT
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I had taken some lichen photos at Smith Rock one day that we later used as the color palette for the Hood River Coffee Co. building.
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micronut
Trad climber
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Jun 25, 2013 - 01:31pm PT
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I'm a bit of an aficionado of the little critters. Some of my favorite photos are of the Jackson Pollackness of nature.
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ydpl8s
Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
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Jun 25, 2013 - 01:42pm PT
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This stuff from N. Carolina (courtesy of gneiss pirate and mp.com) looks more like something you should scrape off your boat.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Jun 25, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
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Wizard West Face, Needles (Sequoia NF)
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Jun 25, 2013 - 01:55pm PT
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ladyscarlett
Trad climber
SF Bay Area, California
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Jun 25, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
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Lichen salad...Gunks specialty!
Straight to your mouth, in the vertical lane, all you have to do is look up. The black stuff flakes off just looking at it, let alone when some newb comes up pawing around.
Great fiber, great for your heart rate, encourages a calm balanced mind...
mmmm!
cheers
LS
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benzo
Big Wall climber
tacoma wa.
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Jun 25, 2013 - 04:36pm PT
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Jun 25, 2013 - 05:01pm PT
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benzo
Big Wall climber
tacoma wa.
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Jun 25, 2013 - 05:18pm PT
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eKat, sure is. Middle east wall. Ran out for a day of solo aid practice a couple months back.
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fgw
climber
portland, or
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Jun 25, 2013 - 05:24pm PT
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City of Rocks got some gems in this department (that first photo is great!)
couple contributions:
Cochise:
Not Cochise:
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 25, 2013 - 05:33pm PT
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jun 25, 2013 - 05:39pm PT
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I be liking the Lichen you folks have posted!
I took this one in 1972. Knew I'd want it someday.
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Jun 26, 2013 - 02:28am PT
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soooo much around here. have many many more. often thought about an art form where i take the rock background around kirkwood/carson pass and photoshop tropical fish into it
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Willoughby
Social climber
Truckee, CA
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Jun 26, 2013 - 03:15am PT
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Had this recited to me this very morning:
Springtime in the Rockies, Lichen
BY LEW WELCH
All these years I overlooked them in the
racket of the rest, this
symbiotic splash of plant and fungus feeding
on rock, on sun, a little moisture, air —
tiny acid-factories dissolving
salt from living rocks and
eating them.
Here they are, blooming!
Trail rock, talus and scree, all dusted with it:
rust, ivory, brilliant yellow-green, and
cliffs like murals!
Huge panels streaked and patched, quietly
with shooting-stars and lupine at the base.
Closer, with the glass, a city of cups!
Clumps of mushrooms and where do the
plants begin? Why are they doing this?
In this big sky and all around me peaks &
the melting glaciers, why am I made to
kneel and peer at Tiny?
These are the stamps of the final envelope.
How can the poisons reach them?
In such thin air, how can they care for the
loss of a million breaths?
What, possibly, could make their ground more bare?
Let it all die.
The hushed globe will wait and wait for
what is now so small and slow to
open it again.
As now, indeed, it opens it again, this
scentless velvet,
crumbler-of-the-rocks,
this Lichen!
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Jun 26, 2013 - 08:30am PT
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Ran into a fair amount last weekend at a new area. Lotta that black stuff as well
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MisterE
Social climber
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Jun 26, 2013 - 09:07am PT
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Whitehorse Jeff
Trad climber
Fairfield, CT
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Jun 26, 2013 - 11:52am PT
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Cathedral Ledge, NH lichen, with a frog-- he "f@*kin blends"!
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climber007
Trad climber
San Jose, CA
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Jun 26, 2013 - 02:31pm PT
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Jun 26, 2013 - 03:15pm PT
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Thot this thread was going to be about Werewolves, and their sordid love affairs.
You see what I did there?
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Sciurus
Sport climber
St. George UT
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Jun 26, 2013 - 04:32pm PT
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Beautiful pictures. Lichens are pretty cool. In case anyone has been wondering, the pictures of the bright green-yellow lichens are most likely of the genus Pleopsidium, the egg-yolk yellow lichens are most likely the genus Candelariella, and the bright orange lichens are most likely from the genera Caloplaca or Xanthoria. All these genera contain multiple species that will differ from area to area.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jun 26, 2013 - 05:00pm PT
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The Lifeboat. Across from Titanic and next to the Iceberg.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jun 26, 2013 - 05:26pm PT
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Bridge abutment, Owens Creek, on Old Highway, Mariposa.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jun 26, 2013 - 07:16pm PT
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A.K.A. rock pimples, earth wrinkles, angel's hair, freckle pelts, fog fingers, dragon's funnel, tar-jelly, and old man's beard.
Same bridge, looking up at the span. Please, ignore the bird at your peril. The abutment on the other side of the creek has more growth because it's more northerly and in the shade more, I suppose, but I'm no mycologist...
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/01/science/studying-seemingly-immortal-lichens-in-a-place-for-the-dead.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
It so happens I was able to take some photos of the Fancher Memorial on Highway 140 yesterday morning.
Getting up to these steps is a bit of a challenge for anyone but a climber. I did a hand traverse left-to-right on the south side, away from view.
It had just rained a tiny bit last night, so you can see by the tire marks. Notice the water channels on the edge?
A close-up of the riser of one of the steps.
It was completed in 1911. Fancher established a $1,000 trust in his will, the earnings of which were to be used for the care and maintenance of the monument.--LA Ties article
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MisterE
Social climber
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Jun 26, 2013 - 10:30pm PT
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Jun 26, 2013 - 10:38pm PT
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Wow, awesome thread! I'm lichen it fer sure!
fgw- where is "not Cochise"?? Looks amazing!
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MisterE
Social climber
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Jun 27, 2013 - 12:26am PT
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Those of you over-contrasting/saturating:
It is pretty obvious.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jun 27, 2013 - 12:34am PT
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STFU, One-Eye!
Self-perpetration is pretty obvious, too.
My vote for the best distinctive lichen display has to be The Needles of Kern. Light green.
Good shot, Clint!
Taken last week with THocking's cooperation. He's as patient as one of these lichens.
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fgw
climber
portland, or
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Jun 27, 2013 - 12:53pm PT
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fgw- where is "not Cochise"?? Ryan, first one is Tsaranoro Massif in Madagascar; second is Brandberg in Namibia.
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nutjob
Sport climber
Almost to Hollywood, Baby!
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Jun 27, 2013 - 01:20pm PT
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Great thread!
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climber007
Trad climber
San Jose, CA
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Jun 27, 2013 - 01:34pm PT
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Gal
Trad climber
a semi lucid consciousness
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Jun 27, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
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This photo, by A.M., was actually from a canyoneering trip (you can see the Four Peaks in the distance), one of the most stunning canyoneering trips I've been on ~ many rappels involved, a late evening exit occurred ;-)
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MisterE
Social climber
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Skip being the chameleon this weekend at Holcomb Pinnacles:
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MisterE
Social climber
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Sempervirens, that looks like Buffalo Park in Flagstaff!
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climber007
Trad climber
San Jose, CA
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Jul 15, 2013 - 12:03pm PT
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A pic from last week on OZ (Drug Dome) in TM
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Jul 16, 2013 - 10:05pm PT
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my crotch is lichen it
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sempervirens
climber
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Jul 17, 2013 - 12:34pm PT
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Sempervirens, that looks like Buffalo Park in Flagstaff!
My lichen photo is from eastern Plumas county, CA on the west side of the Diamond Mountains. It's a very dry area, mostly pine forest and sagebrush scrub. I guess that is similar to northern Arizona.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
extraordinaire
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Red and green algae in Mammoth ...
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jul 23, 2014 - 10:56am PT
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It was good to meet you, Grippa. Berg heil and cheers!JustTheMaid could be the "starlet."
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Hardly Visible
Social climber
Llatikcuf WA
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Jul 23, 2014 - 11:16am PT
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A couple from middle east wall frenchmens coulee
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wbw
Trad climber
'cross the great divide
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Jul 23, 2014 - 11:41am PT
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Sometimes when climbing in Eldo, it's almost as if someone turned on the Neon Lights. (There's actually a somewhat obscure route with that name in Eldo.)
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yanqui
climber
Balcarce, Argentina
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Jul 23, 2014 - 11:49am PT
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
extraordinaire
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Aug 20, 2014 - 10:09pm PT
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Aug 20, 2014 - 11:29pm PT
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Great thread idea!!
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Aug 21, 2014 - 06:17am PT
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Yes!!
I would love to see CoZmic again, and I've always wanted to meet you too!
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Aug 21, 2014 - 08:12am PT
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Hmmm, sure seemed more green when I was there :^)
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Apr 22, 2015 - 07:09pm PT
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Hornitos Road, Mariposa County; and Sentinel Creek.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Apr 22, 2015 - 08:14pm PT
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Seth
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Apr 23, 2015 - 07:43am PT
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Did somebody say Lichen??
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Apr 23, 2015 - 10:54am PT
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More Moss than Lichensame place other viewshort and sweet , found while at a BBQ on 7/4/14
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Apr 23, 2015 - 11:11am PT
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Heavily-encrusted rock from back in my high school days
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Apr 23, 2015 - 11:29am PT
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How much saturation & contrast am I allowed, before no-one be liking my lichen?
Wind River's 1971
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Apr 23, 2015 - 12:44pm PT
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I always liked the lichen in this pic
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Apr 23, 2015 - 01:27pm PT
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I have no guidebook to the place any longer,
so make up your own route and formation names,
unless someone can ID them for us.
I'm guessing Warlock is one of the cliffs.
I think we did one route on that one.
Don Juan rings a bell, Castenada fans.
From the 80s. The fake lichen is really natural-looking,
unlike Fritz's photo upstairs. :0)
Edit: I just took a look at the Needles guidebook thread.
The climber on the right is on Thin Ice, I thin.
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Seth
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Apr 23, 2015 - 01:48pm PT
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Grippa
Trad climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 23, 2015 - 03:32pm PT
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Not quite lichen, but something very near and dear to us in the desert. Crypto!
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Apr 23, 2015 - 08:41pm PT
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I feel so guilty that I scraped this stuff off with a wire brush 50-60 years ago.
;>(
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thebravecowboy
climber
Where'd the cheese go at?
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Apr 23, 2015 - 10:07pm PT
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You in Fruita Grippa?
Don't worry there is plenty mo' out there
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Apr 27, 2015 - 12:40am PT
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Apr 27, 2015 - 05:13am PT
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Where to begin?
that is as good as any place
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rincon
climber
Coarsegold
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Apr 27, 2015 - 10:19am PT
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Mar 26, 2016 - 08:16am PT
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Tom Thumb Crag, NorCal.
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Mar 26, 2016 - 10:09am PT
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I'm really lichen this thread...
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Mar 26, 2016 - 11:21am PT
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Mar 26, 2016 - 06:31pm PT
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Mar 26, 2016 - 07:33pm PT
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Mar 26, 2016 - 07:43pm PT
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Grippa, you should be proud of this thread. It's special.
Contractor, WOWOWOW! That'd be five stars without the lichen!
Tradster, that second shot is out of the park!
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Mar 26, 2016 - 08:03pm PT
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Thanks Moose- It's 5 star Mexican Lichen atop a 5 star, 700'route.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
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Mar 27, 2016 - 08:39pm PT
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Mar 28, 2016 - 09:08pm PT
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Mar 29, 2016 - 01:33pm PT
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Apr 10, 2016 - 10:12am PT
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Apr 10, 2016 - 10:45am PT
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Apr 10, 2016 - 10:55am PT
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Apr 10, 2016 - 03:22pm PT
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Apr 10, 2016 - 08:19pm PT
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Apr 10, 2016 - 08:26pm PT
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Apr 10, 2016 - 09:04pm PT
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City of Rocks.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Apr 13, 2016 - 05:03am PT
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Send
Trad climber
Central Sierra
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Apr 13, 2016 - 08:28am PT
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Apr 14, 2016 - 08:12pm PT
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Das Urbanlichen.
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le_bruce
climber
Oakland, CA
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Apr 14, 2016 - 11:30pm PT
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East Butt of Lower Cathedral Rock
Wind Chill - this pitch is rated 5.10 but is probably 5.11 due to the affect of the lichen on the feet
Sun Ribbon with NutAgain
NutAgain bringing the lichen rains
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Radish
Trad climber
SeKi, California
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Apr 15, 2016 - 07:48am PT
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Apr 15, 2016 - 08:17am PT
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We've had some good adventures le_bruce :)
Who here has tried to use lichen for human nutrition or to make food more palatable?
On a planned 5-day backpacking trip to climb Black Kaweah, on the first night another buddy and I hung our food in a tree (not well enough) and a bear ate most of our food. I found the bear the next morning and chased him up Elizabeth Pass a bit and recovered a half pack of dry spaghetti, a bag of Reese's peanut butter chips, and a can of tomato paste with a bear tooth puncture in it. We decided to proceed.
The spaghetti with plain tomato paste was pretty rough, so I scraped some lichen off the rocks and pretended it was seasoning. Made it different, possibly better. Not inedible at least, and we didn't die. But I was about 20 years old and didn't know I could die yet.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Apr 16, 2016 - 07:25am PT
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Mariposa roadside.
MFM
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Grippa
Trad climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 16, 2016 - 01:56pm PT
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good stuff everyone good stuff!
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Apr 25, 2016 - 03:19am PT
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gnarlydog
Mountain climber
Concord,Ca
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Apr 25, 2016 - 07:11am PT
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Apr 30, 2016 - 12:14am PT
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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City of Rocks (and lichens).
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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an acquaintance says he used to steal flagstone from a load it yourself quarry which covered many square miles with un-gated escape routes.
he told me about turning it from (what woulda been) a 20 bucks/pickup buy to a three bill sale by painting blendered up milk and lichen
on it, raising up a crop o' "moss rock" kept in backyard ambient care, eventually selling it to the guy he should have bought it from
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lars johansen
Trad climber
West Marin, CA
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Here's a painting from a series I did called Lichen [about 10 years ago]:
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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May 13, 2016 - 11:12am PT
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jul 19, 2016 - 12:02pm PT
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I didn't mean to monopolize this thread.
It's just that lichen are such easy subjects to photograph.
They never move unless their hosts move.
And these Mariposa slates are not going anyplace soon.
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
Cali
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Jul 21, 2016 - 04:31pm PT
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Or beer!
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Aug 11, 2016 - 01:28am PT
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Aug 11, 2016 - 07:18am PT
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Hey Mouse......If we could only see a time lapse over a couple thousand years to watch lichen move, among other things!
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Aug 22, 2016 - 05:16pm PT
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Manure Pile Buttress.
8/14/16
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Aug 22, 2016 - 08:58pm PT
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Hey Bravecowboy. Let see those blues!
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Aug 23, 2016 - 01:02am PT
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Aug 29, 2016 - 07:06pm PT
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Aug 30, 2016 - 09:25pm PT
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Oct 10, 2016 - 05:59am PT
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A long-time resident of El Portal.
MFM
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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Oct 10, 2016 - 07:37am PT
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from the neighborhood where many of MFM's well-observed lichens live
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Grippa
Trad climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 10, 2016 - 02:19pm PT
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Excellent post! That almost looks like lichen growing on snow!
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Oct 10, 2016 - 06:03pm PT
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Edge
Trad climber
Betwixt and Between Nederland & Boulder, CO
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Oct 23, 2016 - 12:54pm PT
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Oct 23, 2016 - 01:34pm PT
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Uh-uh. It makes you look bedraggled and dirty, though.
So much for clean climbing.
Like the definition of the lichen. Excellent shot.
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Oct 24, 2016 - 04:01am PT
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Gilroy
Social climber
Bolderado
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Oct 24, 2016 - 04:58am PT
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@Loran - "No but the hexes make you look oldskool."
Lichen it!
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Edge
Trad climber
Betwixt and Between Nederland & Boulder, CO
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Oct 29, 2016 - 01:54pm PT
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jfr
Mountain climber
32N 117W
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Oct 29, 2016 - 07:04pm PT
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Heart-shaped lichen in Banff National Park, Canada
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jan 30, 2017 - 12:12pm PT
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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Jan 30, 2017 - 02:45pm PT
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trailside billboard for lichen
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jan 31, 2017 - 05:53pm PT
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toejahm
Trad climber
Chatsworth, CA
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Feb 21, 2017 - 10:31am PT
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 21, 2017 - 11:01am PT
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My pet rock...
I think some of that is lichen. If it doesn't run, crawl, slither, swim,
or fly then I'm out of my element.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Feb 21, 2017 - 11:17am PT
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Sit. Stay. Nice shot, Reilly.
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wstmrnclmr
Trad climber
Bolinas, CA
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Feb 21, 2017 - 06:52pm PT
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Not exciting colors but kind of exciting to climb since it had probably been twenty years worth of growth between this and the the last ascent
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oplopanax
Mountain climber
The Deep Woods
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S marks the spot
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Grippa
Trad climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 8, 2017 - 06:54pm PT
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cooooooooolllllll
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little Z
Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
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Mar 20, 2017 - 09:13am PT
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lichen, on a tree, with bonus orchid
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Jul 24, 2017 - 11:07am PT
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Jul 26, 2017 - 08:33pm PT
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Aug 26, 2017 - 09:21pm PT
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Aug 26, 2017 - 10:23pm PT
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Aug 29, 2017 - 06:28pm PT
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Sep 16, 2017 - 07:21pm PT
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Sep 26, 2017 - 06:13am PT
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Lichen vs moss wars.
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Oct 25, 2017 - 06:25am PT
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Oct 27, 2017 - 06:17am PT
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Nov 15, 2017 - 06:44pm PT
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Dec 27, 2017 - 05:53pm PT
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Jan 18, 2018 - 06:39pm PT
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Jan 29, 2018 - 06:03pm PT
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M-kISlD2rdw
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Mar 19, 2018 - 05:03pm PT
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Mar 27, 2018 - 08:48am PT
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JMC
climber
the land of milk and honey
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Mar 27, 2018 - 08:58am PT
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Apr 16, 2018 - 08:08pm PT
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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May 13, 2018 - 07:21am PT
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Lichen 2’ above high tide line in Norge...
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Aug 17, 2018 - 09:02am PT
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dee ee
Mountain climber
Of THIS World (Planet Earth)
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Aug 24, 2018 - 08:30pm PT
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Gilroy
Social climber
Bolderado
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