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StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 23, 2013 - 08:45pm PT
Time to get ready....

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WBraun

climber
Jun 23, 2013 - 08:48pm PT
Yep

Armstrong is coming out of retirement for the 2013 tour solo using bath salts .....
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 23, 2013 - 09:14pm PT
Lance who?

http://www.letour.com/le-tour/2013/us/
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jun 23, 2013 - 09:15pm PT
lol why? I'd be more interested if they would just stop pretending the sport is clean and just go all out enhanced performance.

I wanna see the 6 million dollar man go for it.

It's about time a sport embrace modern science completely.

Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jun 23, 2013 - 09:16pm PT
Werner hasn't seen anybody on bath salts, methinks. Ain't pedaling no bikes nohow, you stupid ex pat!
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Jun 23, 2013 - 09:38pm PT
Stahl bro
I'm 100% with ya, and hopefully will watch every stage
the haters can say anything they want, I still Love the Tour!
rrider

climber
Mckinleyville, Ca
Jun 23, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
Anybody know what's the good internet website for live video coverage? If NBC is all there is, it might be pathetic, like the Olympics coverage. But maybe Phil Liggett is calling the race, which would be cool.
shady

Trad climber
hasbeen
Jun 23, 2013 - 11:06pm PT
This should turn out to be an interesting Tour.
Sky.... Two leaders?
Contador?

This should be a fun Tour.
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Jun 23, 2013 - 11:24pm PT
Sky only has 1 leader. Froome. Wiggins is out and judging by his recent comments won't be trying to win the Tour ever again.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jun 23, 2013 - 11:39pm PT
ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz
Mtbphoto

Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, Ca
Jun 23, 2013 - 11:57pm PT
Stoked I have cable to watch it this year, too bad I don't get it in HD. Looks to be some great stages this year.
shady

Trad climber
hasbeen
Jun 23, 2013 - 11:57pm PT
See what I mean!
Wiggo's out.
Thanks for the update.
Wiggins...."ever again" (?)
Wow, never heard of a TDF champ doing that. Now I'm really interested to see if the performance of team Sky is as dominating as last year.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jun 29, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
I was wondering if that Canadian trucker who took out the Skagit River bridge had found himself another job yet.



Apparently, he's driving busses in Corsica now. Saw him on TV this morning.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jun 29, 2013 - 01:39pm PT
Chaz...I think he's starring on that frozen lake trucker series on discovery channel...Leon Spinks is his driving partner and sometimes throws a few jabs......RJ
FRUMY

Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
Jun 29, 2013 - 01:55pm PT
I figured he got some kind of Canadian award for taking out U.S infrastructure without to much harm to people.

If you spent much time driving in Canuckalhead land you would not think much of this.

I love Canada & Canadians, but there driving I don't know.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 29, 2013 - 02:02pm PT
You haven't lived on the edge until you've driven on Vancouver Island.
Makes driving in LA look very tame.

Now, back yer regularly scheduled flaming.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Jun 29, 2013 - 03:08pm PT
Are they still having that thing? I mean, now that it's merely a joke and all?

Curt
Fletcher

Trad climber
The great state of advaita
Jun 29, 2013 - 04:33pm PT
NBC/Versus has an iOS app that pretty much fully live streams each stage and you can play them back later. It's $14.99 and I used it last year. It was pretty good. There may be an Android version as well.

I just realized this morning this thing has started! Kids keeping me extra busy this summer!

Got get my game on.

You guys talking about HWNSNBS*?

Eric

*He whose name shall not be spoken

Karen

Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
Jun 29, 2013 - 05:43pm PT
Also, love the Tour but I do not want "Contraban" to win. Go Frome!!!! but seriously in love with Peter Sagan, what a hottie, all his little escapades amuse me.
JeffR

Trad climber
Cayucos, CA
Jun 29, 2013 - 05:47pm PT
Would someone post a link to a site offering good live coverage? Went to Velonews but didn't see much...
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jun 29, 2013 - 06:20pm PT
Hard to get excited about a sport where everyone rides under a cloud of suspicion.
Fletcher

Trad climber
The great state of advaita
Jun 29, 2013 - 08:14pm PT
I'm in it for the scenery.

Charles Pelkey does live updates (via text and images) for each day. You can also read them later on.

He's very good and provides a good perspective. The Red Kite Prayer site has overall good writing too. They have the technical stuff (how to), but also write a lot about the "feel" part.

http://redkiteprayer.com/author/charles-pelkey/

Eric

P.S. Red Kite Prayer comes from the flag indicating the last kilometer of a state race.
Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Jun 29, 2013 - 08:43pm PT
It's about time a sport embrace modern science completely.

Yep, I can see it now . . . Get ready for the GMO Games!
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jun 29, 2013 - 09:14pm PT
In day 1 the blood doper took the lead

day 2 the HGH guys made a push..

Day 3??? Amphetamines?

Only time will tell

OMG is that a female??? Are those TITS or intravenous oxygen cannisters??? SHE did it all and is kickin ass......
shady

Trad climber
hasbeen
Jun 29, 2013 - 11:51pm PT
Takes my vote for the strangest final 3 K of a TDF stage.
You could hear it echoing from all the race radios. What?
WTF!
WTF?
WTF?
WTF!
Roger!
WTF!
Repete!
WTF!
Copy?
WTF?
bhilden

Trad climber
Mountain View, CA
Jun 30, 2013 - 12:16am PT
cyclingnews.com offers good live coverage. They switch out the presenters from time to time so you get different perspectives which is nice so you aren't just getting one view. Here's the link:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/
Ricky

climber
Sometimes LA
Jun 30, 2013 - 12:16am PT

Strange stage, TDF clearance issues are usually horizontal.
sac

Trad climber
Sun Coast B.C.
Jun 30, 2013 - 12:21am PT
Try this site,will be using it to watch Brazil/Spain tomorrow.

Go to "other" for possible tour coverage @ 4:15 a.m pt

http://www.firstrow1.eu/sport/others.html








climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jun 30, 2013 - 12:22am PT
does it show them shooting up.. that's the part I wanna see.
command error

Trad climber
Colorado
Jun 30, 2013 - 12:42am PT
After all the Lance drama I'm afraid the power of subjective thought
is filtering the tv images I see making the riders look ordinary,
clean, and slow.

Can we have the old exciting Tour back?

WTF

climber
Jun 30, 2013 - 09:50am PT
Today is going to be one tough stage.

Was I,the only one who,saw all that rock on Corsica. Bite me where I pee that looked like some sick,rock and while that was good those beaches looked amazing.

Add this island to the bucket list.

But seriously Corsica is a tough place to race and the hills are not long drawn out accents they are steep, short and hard.

The crash at 4 k to go was scary that guy almost ate that lamp post.
Strange stage but what your not seeing are the hundreds of vehicles in front of the race. It's a rolling carnival. Circus like and add clowns to a serious event and you get your bus stuck under the banner. That poor guy felt like crap you could tell he was not happy.

The new generation of riders will end doping and save this sport. They have too!
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Jun 30, 2013 - 11:48am PT
Yes, I'm glad that fellow avoided the post . . . pretty nasty crash but fortunately it looks like everyone will continue.

Vive Le Tour

Performance enhancement indeed!
Performance enhancement indeed!
Credit: Kalimon
can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Jun 30, 2013 - 11:49am PT
That was a fantastic finish today. I was sure he was going to get swallowed up by the bunch but he held it. Bravo!!
Darwin

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Jun 30, 2013 - 12:05pm PT
Best finish I've seen in years!
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Jun 30, 2013 - 12:07pm PT
http://vimeo.com/21306164
bhilden

Trad climber
Mountain View, CA
Jun 30, 2013 - 12:43pm PT
Was I,the only one who,saw all that rock on Corsica. Bite me where I pee that looked like some sick,rock and while that was good those beaches looked amazing.

Add this island to the bucket list.

But seriously Corsica is a tough place to race and the hills are not long drawn out accents they are steep, short and hard.

Col de la Bavella has some really nice granite climbing. Also some good sport climbing in the Gorges de Restefond.

Yes, there are some short road climbs, but nothing really steep. Also, there are some longer road climbs up to 3000' of gain but, again, nothing really steep.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jun 30, 2013 - 03:39pm PT
I'm in it for the scenery.

I hear you. Now I need to find the racer with 'tits' - maybe to see if mine are all that bad.

This could be a fun tour. For now though, I'm going to get on my bicycle!
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 30, 2013 - 04:01pm PT
Great finish today! Scenery was great and the solo at the end held of the peloton!

No dogs were killed, but the owners should get the back of the pimp hand for letting their dog off the leash!

Allez!

Darwin

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Jul 1, 2013 - 09:58am PT


Anyone know what happened to Wenatchee's own Tyler Farrar. He wasn't on the TdF start list. The last mention I find of him on the net is his 4th stage win at the Tour of California.
nutstory

climber
Ajaccio, Corsica, France
Jul 1, 2013 - 11:14am PT
Ajaccio, yesterday!
2013 - Tour de France in Corsica
2013 - Tour de France in Corsica
Credit: nutstory
Ajaccio, this morning!
2013 - Tour de France in Corsica
2013 - Tour de France in Corsica
Credit: nutstory
With best wishes from Corsica,
Stephane / Nuts Museum
Darwin

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Jul 1, 2013 - 01:43pm PT


Yesterday (Sunday) when Bakelants won Phil Liggett MBE ;-) and Paul Sherwen got it completely wrong on the live TV NBCSports feed and called the wrong winner, mistaking the Spanish rider for RadioShack Markel Irizar Aranburu for Bakelants (also RadioShack). It took mybe 1/2 minute to correct, and it was no big deal except maybe for Bakelants. Then during the evening re-broadcast that my wife wanted to see after I said it was the best finish I could remember, they completed redacted the coverage and edited over/out all incorrect rider references and put in Bakelants. That's all well and good I guess, but it was just weird because it was passed off as the delayed live feed. Interestingly enough, cyclingnew.com's live feed got it wrong, too.
I say, all you wacko Supertopo conspiracy theorists: RUN WITH IT! Spaniard kidnapped to giant Arc on the backside of the Moon -> Bakelants to winner's spot!



Also as I asked upthread, anyone know what Tyler Farrar is up to? He wasn't in the TdF starting roster.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2013 - 01:50pm PT
Thanks for the local update! Nice shots.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Jul 1, 2013 - 02:01pm PT
Nutstory: Great pictures from Ajaccio. After the Corsicans stopped bombing French post offices on the island, Corsica is quite close to heaven on earth.

Darwin: The Norwegian TV2 expert, Johan Kaggestad, had the wrong winner for 10 minutes. Guess if he will hear that afterwards and guess if he is embarrassed? Lol...
Gunkie

Trad climber
East Coast US
Jul 1, 2013 - 02:55pm PT
I work with the Comcast operations folks regularly. They tell me that day 1 of this year's TdF was the least watched day 1 since they began recording viewership of the event, which began around 2005.

I don't necessarily think this means anything, nor do they. In 2005, Armstrong was a living American hero on his way to #6 (?). And Trek was selling new bicycles like they were tech stocks in 1998.

This is just an observation based on two Philadelphia area counties that I thought was interesting.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 1, 2013 - 03:00pm PT
I think the low numbers are because the low-information cycling viewer likes time trials. TT's are more like reality TV for them, which is something they can understand.
bhilden

Trad climber
Mountain View, CA
Jul 1, 2013 - 03:10pm PT
Yesterday (Sunday) when Bakelants won Phil Liggett MBE ;-) and Paul Sherwen got it completely wrong on the live TV NBCSports feed and called the wrong winner, mistaking the Spanish rider for RadioShack Markel Irizar Aranburu for Bakelants (also RadioShack).

When the Radio Shack rider initially broke away, Phil and Paul correctly identified the rider as Bakelants. However, the Official Tour de France race radio incorrectly identified the rider as Markel Irizar so they changed their call. This mistake was on the Tour organization and not Phil and Paul.
saa

climber
not much of a
Jul 1, 2013 - 05:19pm PT
On the way to Cham for the July 2012 climbing world cup, i met
a tour de France runner. He said he was happy to be
away from the circus for a day or 2. Was envious when i explained that in climbing
we dońt have this problem (yet). It sounded like cool wind to him.

Arrived in Cham, the circus started however: the death toll in the
Mont Blanc massif had included some of the world cup runners.
RIP!

Weird coincidence.

On a more positive note though: if you have not seen ´hell on wheelś
Do. Its a documentary about the Tour de France by Pépé
Danquart. The name sounds familiar? Yep. It´s the man who
did ´At the Limit´ with our drinking buddies Alexander and Thomas Huber.

Cheers
rmuir

Social climber
From the Time Before the Rocks Cooled.
Jul 1, 2013 - 08:23pm PT
Credit: rmuir

Tony Martin after the first stage of the Tour de France 2013.
crøtch

climber
Jul 1, 2013 - 08:25pm PT
that's going to sting
rrider

climber
Mckinleyville, Ca
Jul 1, 2013 - 09:35pm PT
everybody's seen this, but it's still classic

Credit: internet
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 1, 2013 - 09:37pm PT
Those doods back then were hard. They're such pussies now they don't even
change their own tires.
shady

Trad climber
hasbeen
Jul 1, 2013 - 11:04pm PT
Yup!
Sans gears!
Dirt roads!
HARD!
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Jul 1, 2013 - 11:24pm PT
they were real slow too.

too much wine after the race,

and they would saw your frame at night.
not all the way, just enuff to have it break at the col de sac downhill.


the tour, back breaking work but somebody has to do it,

bernard hinault took a tree to the groin to avoid decking out,

grabbed the trunk with his legs after he bailed over the cliff.

also>

"One of the most memorable Hinault victories was at the 1980 Liege-Bastogne-Liege in Belgium. The April race was held in winter conditions which deteriorated during the day. Of 174 starters, only 21 finished. Hinault rode solo for the last 50 miles (80 km) of the 151 mile (244 km) race through a blizzard and won by 9:24."

i bet that's the race that cooked his knee, can't feel the damage you do when it's frozen, no nerves in the knee,
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 1, 2013 - 11:33pm PT
Doc, thatsa no big when yer Le Blaireau.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Jul 1, 2013 - 11:48pm PT
Fast Eddy, steaks for breakfast, steaks for dinner, wash it down with coke and dehydrating tea>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfZpVtsSLjQ
ELM !

climber
Near Boston
Jul 2, 2013 - 10:34am PT
I have to say Corsica has some nice looking granite. Some of the helo shots from the past three days have really been impressive.
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
Jul 2, 2013 - 10:02pm PT
I swear I can't tell whether anyone is doping or not. Coverage seems to be the same with or without. I guess Zimmerman won't be riding this year what with the trial and all.

Does the winner get a date with Jody Arias?



John Mac

Trad climber
Littleton, CO
Jul 2, 2013 - 10:23pm PT
Great to see an Aussie wearing the yellow jersey tonight!
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jul 2, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
The incredibly colourful outfits on today's road riders led a friend of a friend of mine to call them:

"Nascar sausage casings"...

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA ! ! !
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Jul 2, 2013 - 10:30pm PT
I'm loving it so far this year

it's on channel 220 or 225 if you have direct TV
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2013 - 11:47pm PT
Credit: StahlBro
shady

Trad climber
hasbeen
Jul 4, 2013 - 02:20am PT
A run-O-the-mill sprinters stage.
Nice to see the boys finally got to play with their lead-out train sets.
Sagan continues to impress me. Starts his sprint after Cav, Boasson Hagen (sp?) and Greipel. Strolls around Greipel, who's maxed out in his sprint, and comes within two pedal strokes of taking Edvald's "best of the rest" 2nd place.
Granted, he was better than a bike length behind Cav, but when Cav jumped, Sagan made up at least three bike lenghts before the line.
The kid's strong and savy.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Jul 4, 2013 - 11:06am PT
Stahlbro
when is the stage you posted the topo of?
Ian Jewell

climber
Jul 4, 2013 - 11:37am PT
yesterday
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Jul 4, 2013 - 12:50pm PT
Good one today.
I was stoked to see Greipel get one.
I hope Sagan is next. 3 second places so far for Peter.

I'm not a big Cav fan. Big whiner just sat up when he realized he wouldn't get first.
shady

Trad climber
hasbeen
Jul 4, 2013 - 11:47pm PT
Yeah, not a big Cav fan here, and as much as I hate to come to his defence, he got caught-out.
There was a 50 foot stretch of 3% grade at 2k out. It took him a while to catch back up.
not really.
But if you look at the finishing replays, he was about 12 wheels back when Greipel was in his final lead-out. An honest and valiant attempt. But,,HAH! He got gapped and Greipel made him pay.

I don't know what's up with liqui-dale. Seems Peter's left freelancing wheels in his finals. Iregardless ; he should be in the running for best-of-the-rest jersey. Three 2nds, oh my.
shady

Trad climber
hasbeen
Jul 5, 2013 - 12:33pm PT
dee ee called it!
Sagan!
Brilliant tactics today. Not only for the stage win and green jersey, but for the polka-dots as well.
Mountains are in the forecast with a chance of selections...bout time!
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Jul 5, 2013 - 01:43pm PT
Whee hoo! Cannondale controls the stage.

I was a little worried that they used too much juice on the run in, especially when Degancolb went and Peter was several bike lengths back, but Peter just punched it and "see ya."
can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Jul 5, 2013 - 01:57pm PT
Woot, Sagan is the next best "sliced bread"

I'm enjoying every stage in this years tour. Nothing better then the unexpected outcomes like Jan Bakelants and the awesome team displays that the TTT and Cannondale showed today.

This is my World Series, Superbowl and NBA finals all rolled into 3 weeks of partying in France.

Chapeau
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 5, 2013 - 11:33pm PT
Dr.,

It was Stage 5
Nick

climber
portland, Oregon
Jul 5, 2013 - 11:42pm PT
Battle between Contador and Froome tomorrow? Contador for the win.
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Jul 6, 2013 - 12:07am PT
Negative.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 6, 2013 - 12:55am PT
Tomorrow!

Credit: StahlBro
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Jul 6, 2013 - 09:26am PT
JeffR,First Row Sports,google it.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Jul 6, 2013 - 10:33am PT
What's that Colombians name?

Climbs like a wolverine.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Jul 6, 2013 - 10:51am PT
A great day for Froome...
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Jul 6, 2013 - 11:18am PT
Wow, that was brutal, Sky dominates.
Froome was on it.

I'm bummed for Tejay, 12 minutes down.
Nick

climber
portland, Oregon
Jul 6, 2013 - 11:31am PT
Yeah, Froome dominated. I thought Contador had one more stage in him, but I guess not. Alright Dave, make the call for tomorrow.
bhilden

Trad climber
Mountain View, CA
Jul 6, 2013 - 11:38am PT
Kaboom!
WTF

climber
Jul 6, 2013 - 02:47pm PT
You mean KaFroome I think.

Well that was a nice tour. 8 days in and if the team and guy keep it together its over.
Richie Porte is last years Froome.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 6, 2013 - 06:55pm PT
"Alright Dave, make the call for tomorrow."


Contador. By a wheel. Froome, same time.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 6, 2013 - 07:13pm PT
Great stage, teamwork.
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Jul 6, 2013 - 09:39pm PT
OK, I'm going out on a limb.

Valverde by 45 seconds.

Later, Tejay and/or Cadel recover/have a good day for a stage win (that's an emotional prediction).



....and I'm not gonna' say Froome for tomorrow. I ain't gonna' say it.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Jul 6, 2013 - 09:54pm PT
Love the Mt. stages
I was transfixed watching it

I say the Columbian for tomorrow
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Jul 6, 2013 - 10:18pm PT
I would've said Vinchenzo (phonetic spelling)(Nibali) for tomorrow but , oops, he isn't here.


I love where Laurens TenDam drops Contador and Kreuziger!...and pulls through for 5th.
rmuir

Social climber
From the Time Before the Rocks Cooled.
Jul 6, 2013 - 10:44pm PT
For those who follow Strava, the numbers by pro rider Laurens ten Dam during stage 8 of the Tour de France should give you a goal to shoot for. 118.5 miles, over 16,000 feet of elevation and an average speed of 23.4 mph. And BTW, he finished the stage fifth, ahead of past TDF winners Alberto Contador and Cadel Evans. Whoa!

Credit: rmuir

"Hard day"--ya think? Those guys are fooken amazing. I wonder how many beers I'd have to drink to recover all those Calories?
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Jul 6, 2013 - 10:47pm PT
What's the 23 year old Colombians name?

That guy has what it takes, I think.

Freaking eye of the tiger in that climb.
shady

Trad climber
hasbeen
Jul 7, 2013 - 12:13am PT
His name's Quintana.
He could'a been a contend'a, if he was a bett'a descend'a!

Phil, this is how you lay out todays selections. First you take your Contador and put him next to your Evans. Then you take your Valverde and set him next to your Froome. Next you take your....

Paul!.. Don't you think your putting that Porte alittle too close to that Quintana?
Nonsense Phil, I........

BOOOOOM!

Well Paul, let's hope none of our viewers at home were injured in that selection process.
Nate D

climber
San Francisco
Jul 7, 2013 - 01:50am PT
Well that was a nice tour. 8 days in and if the team and guy keep it together its over.

Boy I sure hope not. I want surprises and suspense!
Darwin

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Jul 7, 2013 - 02:10am PT
I hope there is some challenge from someone. Of the recent tours, I can only picture Sastre's(and the Schleck brothers) and Cadel's wins. I know Contador and Wiggins won in there, but really I can't remember any of the stages.

Oh, yeah, there was Andy attacking while Contador was getting water, slipping a chain, and then whinging like a baby when Contador rode by him.

Dar
(am I going to be sorry about this post?)
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 7, 2013 - 02:10am PT
Still a long way to go. All it takes is one bad day....

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/07/news/analysis-whoever-has-the-least-bad-day-will-win-the-2013-tour-de-france_294169
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Jul 7, 2013 - 02:50am PT
Yes, there is a long, long way to go.
hb81

climber
Jul 7, 2013 - 08:04am PT
Of the recent tours, I can only picture Sastre's(and the Schleck brothers) and Cadel's wins.

Singular for now, Frank Schleck was banned for a year and is not racing in the 2013 TDF.
shady

Trad climber
hasbeen
Jul 7, 2013 - 11:58pm PT
Really nice stage!
Great riding Dan! Thanks for putting Garmin on the board.
Finding Sky vulnerable after yesterdays big effort should put some wind back in the sails of the other GC contenders. It seems to have done wonders for Andy.

Being the armchair director sportif that I am.........
Moviestar, IMHO, missed a great chance to crush Froome today. Valverde should have sent Quintana on the attack earlier then they did. Quintana can't TT well enough to be a true GC threat, making him more of a stage sniper. Putting him up for sacrifice today, no matter the outcome, with a rest day and flat stages into alps for recovery? Down side?

With stages like todays, How can you not love this sport?
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 8, 2013 - 11:45am PT
Fantastic Stage. I would love to ride with the helicopter. Descents look really wild.
can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Jul 8, 2013 - 12:42pm PT
One indication as to the relative doping free racing happening in this years TdF is the fact racers are having bad days. Before the days of EPO/HGH, bad days were not an uncommon fact when racing for 3 weeks.
shady

Trad climber
hasbeen
Jul 8, 2013 - 01:18pm PT
StahlBro I think I'd opt for the moto-photo ride-along. GIDDYUP!... =D
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 8, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
zzzzz....


watching this sport was boring enough WITH drugs
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 8, 2013 - 01:22pm PT
That's probably because you tuned in on a rest day.
shady

Trad climber
hasbeen
Jul 8, 2013 - 01:42pm PT
My pick for tomorrows flaaaaaaaaaat stage win.
Cav. (damn it!)

Short TT on Wednesday, so it's a hard call.
I'm bummed.....no Spartacus or Captain America.
I'm hoping.....for TJ to take it.
I'm thinkin.....Martin or Froome.

Anyone else care to make a call....or two?
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Jul 8, 2013 - 10:57pm PT
I was jus' watchin' the highlight show for the first week. Wow, it's good stuff, it's the TOUR DE FRANCE afterall.

The best stage was yesterday, Sunday. Garmin hits hard early on with Tommy D. and David Miller attacking early and winning the first climb. Then they go again for the second and third climb with Dan Martin coming into play.
Moviestar takes over with our little star Colombian Quintana ripping on the front. He kicks again and again. Valverde is waiting just behind for the right time to go. Unfortunately, Quintana doesn't give 110% and drop Froome. Maybe he did and we just couldn't tell. Froome hangs.

Finally...it's the last climb, and late on Daniel Martin goes with almost 40km to go. Fuglesang goes just after, and luckily for Danny.
They both give 110% for ~40 kms, it's awesome to see each rider going for it like that, no bs, no games, just a total commitment for the win. The sprinters teams are going like hell to try and catch, the gap drops by 12 seconds and then grows by 8.
They come into the last km. Danny has perfect position behind Jacob. Jacob doesn't cut to bs, he's in front but he thinks he has a chance, no reason to be a pussy. Danny is thinking of the turn at 500 meters and kicks just before. He goes into the turn in the lead and goes to the end.
YES!

I remember a few years ago when Chris Horner was in the same position and both of them sat up (I can't remember who the other guy was) waiting for the other to lead them out. Neither guy did and the peloton caught them with 100 meters to go. What a disappointment, that was the closest Chris ever came to a stage win and the only time he let us down. Bad style.



Tomorrow, I'm going with Sagan.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 8, 2013 - 11:04pm PT
Dang Dee ee,

If that happens I will really be impressed (except for the Sagan winning part ;-)
Darwin

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Jul 9, 2013 - 01:06am PT
Tomorrow the wind will wreak havoc and some Belgian team will produce the winner. Note that Cavendish's team is Belgian, so I'm kind of hedging my bets here. I'm not saying that I'll be particularly happy with him winning.
shady

Trad climber
hasbeen
Jul 9, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
Schoolmasters, sprint du jour
Argos/Shimano is showing they are a team to be respected.
Sending the,"powerhouse teams" back to school. Very well done!

Mark Cavendish is the biggest wanker in professional cycling!
I was able to watch the early coverage. Phil and Paul made short mention of it, but there was no mention of his actions post finish.
As I raise my right index finger above my head.... I solemnly swear from this day forward I will only refer to him as "Cavendouche."
Gunkie

Trad climber
East Coast US
Jul 9, 2013 - 12:37pm PT
Tomorrow the wind will wreak havoc and some Belgian team will produce the winner. Note that Cavendish's team is Belgian, so I'm kind of hedging my bets here. I'm not saying that I'll be particularly happy with him winning.

Yes, but I saw footage of Cav out sprinting a pair of rice rockets on the Isle of Man. He must be good and fast.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 9, 2013 - 12:46pm PT
My guess is Cavendish will be rewarded with last place for his efforts today. But he won't care because to him, finishing third is no different than finishing D F last.
shady

Trad climber
hasbeen
Jul 9, 2013 - 12:53pm PT
Your truth rings clear.
And he'd still be able to race.
That's why they should DQ the wanker before he endangers anymore riders.
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Jul 9, 2013 - 11:12pm PT
Oh.... that was an awesome sprint!
Kittel, the underdog of the top 4 sprinters was first to score his second win. I was bummed for Sagan, he was boxed in and didn't really have a chance, but that is the luck of the draw.

Bravo Marcel!


That bump from Cav causing the ugly crash wasn't too egregious....but, indeed, why didn't he sprint straight? Dawg! Careless primadonna.
can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Jul 9, 2013 - 11:36pm PT
Cav should have been relegated to last place for that bump
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Jul 9, 2013 - 11:45pm PT
Cavendish is not what the sport is all about . . . he is a sprinting specialist and quite good at that discipline, despite his petulance. He is useless in the big scheme of The Tour . . . merely a sideshow to the real riders. It is unfortunate that there is so much hype surrounding the pure sprint, but it is a form of cycling and it is potentially dangerous, so we must accept what is.
Dolomite

climber
Anchorage
Jul 9, 2013 - 11:48pm PT
If Phil and Paul didn't have such a huge bromance going with Cav, sprinting might not be such a big deal!
shady

Trad climber
hasbeen
Jul 10, 2013 - 12:47am PT
I dedicated my first pint of the evening to Phil and Paul. I can't imagine how hard it must be to keep the enthusiastic dialogue going...and going...and going, while broadcasting for a stage so broad and flat it could only be described as oceanic.

Odd, as I watched the prime time broadcast it seemed as if they had edited in more mention of Argos/Shimano and Kittel, where this mornings version they were pumping the "Big Three" sprinters teams. None-the-less, I'm really stoked for Kittel and Argos/Shimano on their second stage win.

After seeing this evenings edition, and thinking back to his earlier aborted sprint, where he swooped another A/S team member, I'm more convinced then ever about the guilt of Cavendouche. I've tried my best to give him the benefit of the doubt the last few years because he is a gifted sprinter, and thinking he'd mature. I'm done with that.

Rant over, thanks for letting me vent.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 10, 2013 - 12:49am PT
Pretty clear that Cav caused the crash. Not sure why Phil and Paul don't man up and call him out.
shady

Trad climber
hasbeen
Jul 10, 2013 - 01:02am PT
A few years back Paul did just that after a near collision, and got himself in hot water.
Highroad, quietly, went after him and Versus for not following the journalistic code of neutrality.
They've both pulled back from expressing their opinions.

EDIT:
Dolomite, with all due respect, sprinting is a big deal. That's why it's a dicipline they award a jersey to the best one. Just like KOM and GC, it wouldn't be bike racing without it.
Darwin

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Jul 10, 2013 - 01:24am PT
I would guess Phil and Paul's comments were moderated by the nationalities of their audience. Cavendish has bugged me for a while now, but IMHO the referee call on his actions in today's sprint could have gone either way. If he had won, I'm pretty certain he would have been disqualified.


fugit: as I typed that I felt he should have been relegated to last regardless of winning or not. I'm just glad that Veelers wasn't hurt and that justice seemed to have been done with Argos's Kittle winning.

Dar

w.r.t to my prediction: ok, the winds didn't seem to play a big a role - but Argos-Shimano is a Dutch team and therefore almost Belgian, kind of like Canadian is almost US of American.

; - ) ** still will not save me, I know.
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Jul 10, 2013 - 10:25am PT
EEEEWWWWWWW!!!!!



http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cavendish-doused-with-urine-in-tour-de-france-time-trial
Dolomite

climber
Anchorage
Jul 10, 2013 - 01:25pm PT
I do love Phil and Paul and actually they weren't too defensive about Cav. In fact they seemed a little surprised he wasn't penalized. I don't like him much, but I wouldn't throw piss on the guy! Sheesh, you'd think he was trying to build a climbers' hostel in Eldo!

Gunkie

Trad climber
East Coast US
Jul 10, 2013 - 05:07pm PT

From the bleacherreport...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1699369-tour-de-france-2013-mark-cavendish-hit-with-urine-by-fan-during-stage-11?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial&hpt=hp_t3

...a fan took things to a new extreme, throwing urine on cyclist Mark Cavendish...

The incident occurred during Wednesday's Stage 11 time trial, which stretched from Avranches to Mont-Saint-Michel. The motivations behind the fan's actions are still unclear, but Sky Sports speculates that it may stem from Cavendish's involvement in a crash that took out Tom Veelers during Stage 10 on Tuesday.

Despite the belief by many that Cavendish was to blame for the wreck, he was exonerated from any wrongdoing by race officials, according to William Fotheringham of The Guardian.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 10, 2013 - 05:19pm PT
There is really no excuse for slinging pee, but overhead shot showed pretty clearly that Cav swerved in and hit Veelers handlebar. Not intentional, but but a pretty aggressive move that poor Tom never saw coming.

I guess rubbin' is racin'
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Jul 10, 2013 - 08:13pm PT
Yes, may I retract my comment about Cav's move being "not too egregious?"

Upon further reflection I must say "way too effing egregious." It was the reflects of someone that is WAY Too internally programmed to win. You don't have to take out every competitor. DUDE, just sprint.

May the judges be shamed.
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Jul 10, 2013 - 08:17pm PT
Good time trial.

I was so glad that Tony Martin held on for the win. After waiting in the hot seat for 3.5 hours, how nice it was.........and Andrew T. held on for 11 th (?) place.....sweet... ahead of Contador and other faves.
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Jul 10, 2013 - 08:20pm PT
Shady......"Cavendouche."
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Jul 10, 2013 - 11:22pm PT
When I saw the replay my reaction was " Wow, he took that guy out!" All of the announcers (Bob Roll etc) all felt it was incidental. I was surprised by that.
shady

Trad climber
hasbeen
Jul 11, 2013 - 02:35am PT
Good to see Martin overcome his crash and nab this victory. Well done Tony!

Aaaaaaahhhh, a golden shower for Cavendouche. He may not have liked it........but I found it quite refreshing.
mooch

Trad climber
Old Climbers' Home (Adopted)
Jul 11, 2013 - 09:35am PT
Two flat stages and then its to the "hills".....big boy territory. Watch for Contador to close the gap, as well as Schleck. Froome will have to work for this tour. Sky will have to dig deep to keep him in yellow.
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Jul 11, 2013 - 11:07am PT
SWEET!

Kittel is the new sprinting star.


Cav who?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 11, 2013 - 11:35am PT
I thought Cavendish had it lined up even before Phil "called" it for him ( probably to be edited out for the re-broadcast ), but Kittel rode right past him. That's a RACE!
hb81

climber
Jul 11, 2013 - 11:51am PT
Looks like ze German doctors got something new up their sleeves.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Jul 11, 2013 - 11:57am PT
Ater watching the replay many times, it looks like Cavendish barely touched the guy, and he just caved.

He should have been able to take a rub or two in a bunch sprint,
I say it was 50/50.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Jul 11, 2013 - 12:03pm PT
PLEASE CONSIDER THIS REQUEST!!!!
Do not talk about the Day's Stage Until the Evening...

I don't want to know who won today, I have the tape waiting at home for me and I will watch it after work.

So I have 2 choices,
not look at this thread til after I watched the stage, because of some yahoos that were up at 4:30 am to watch it live.

or that we can discuss yesterday's stage, which was awesome,
and we all have an agreement to not talk about today's stage (not seen yet).
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 11, 2013 - 12:24pm PT
What are you so busy doing at 4:30 that you can't turn the TV on to watch a race?
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Jul 11, 2013 - 12:25pm PT
I'm much too busy sleeping
sorry
mooch

Trad climber
Old Climbers' Home (Adopted)
Jul 11, 2013 - 01:44pm PT
Sounds like a personal problem to me. Suggestions: 1) go to bed early and get up early to watch the stage 2) stay off the thread until you watch 3) quit your wankin'

Had the line been 25 meters more ahead, Sagan would have nipped them both! Watch his exceleration in the final 50 meters.
shady

Trad climber
hasbeen
Jul 11, 2013 - 02:32pm PT
Deeeeelightful!
Out-and-out, head-to-head, flat-out sprint defeat for Cavendouche!

I especially loved the "WTF?" look on his face as Kittel blew on by. Priceless!

For this evenings toast to Argos/Shimano and Kittel's victory, a Salvator dopple.

dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Jul 11, 2013 - 02:55pm PT
Yes, staying off the thread till after "work" is probably the best advice!
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 11, 2013 - 06:26pm PT
Love the look on Cav's face

Credit: VeloNews
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Jul 11, 2013 - 06:29pm PT
Poor little Cavendouche! Justice is served.
shady

Trad climber
hasbeen
Jul 12, 2013 - 02:26am PT
Great pic StahlBro. Heart warming. Thank you.

It's only fitting that I take that picture as my farewell gift from you, the perpetrator of this fine thread, as I depart. Regrettably I will be unable to participate any longer, as I am off to the wilds of Montana in search of fat, gullible, trout.
You folks have been alot of fun, keep up the good work.
See you in a few weeks.

can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Jul 12, 2013 - 07:28am PT
Cavendish blew it, he started to soft pedal maybe 10 meters before the line, thinking he had the win and that's when Kittel went by him. oppps!!

It made my day.
can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Jul 12, 2013 - 11:35am PT
For all you folks out there who think only mountain stages produce great racing, today's stage showed just how sexy racing in the wind can be.
Argon

climber
North Bay, CA
Jul 12, 2013 - 04:48pm PT
Pretty impressive win for Cavendish and his team. I was surprised so many GC contenders got caught out. Sagan was again amazing in that he is always there at the finish. Given his good performance in the TT, could he ever contend for the yellow jersey - or will he never be a good enough high mountain climber?
John Mac

Trad climber
Littleton, CO
Jul 12, 2013 - 05:08pm PT
Amazing stage today on what was supposed to be an easy day. Froome got boxed in and with his team falling apart, Saxo made a very smart and gutsy move. Can't wait until Sunday's Mountain stage.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 12, 2013 - 05:25pm PT
Cavendish blew it yesterday and knew it, roared back with a great win today. Say what you want about the little guy, he is of the greatest sprinters ever in the Tour.
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Jul 12, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
Yes, Cav raced like the real deal today, bravo to Quick Step and Chavanal.


But especially, bravo to Saxo Tinkoff, Belkin and Quick Step for REALLY puttin' it to 'em. That was an awesome action filled stage that looked pretty predictable on paper.

I don't dislike Froome but no one wants to see him run away with it.

I was bummed about ValVerde's bad luck. We will see how much class he has by how he races from here on. I think he'll back the little Colombian and maybe go for a stage win next week. He didn't deserve that crap.

Anything can happen in the Tour and they still have a long, long way to go, Mont Ventoux, another time trial then Alpe d'Huez twice in one day and as we saw today the most routine stage can kick someones ass.

Sweet, I love July!
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Jul 12, 2013 - 05:57pm PT
Oh, I forgot to say I love Laurens TenDam. How about last year when he had a full beard for the tour? He knows about aerodynamics and doesn't worry about it enough to shave! I kept thinking "there's a guy that does what he wants." I'm sure the team director gave him shite about that.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 12, 2013 - 09:21pm PT
Those cross winds can cause havoc! Once the split happened it was on! Kudos to Cav today (hate to say it ;-)
ms55401

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
Jul 12, 2013 - 09:47pm PT

very casual cycling fan here, haven't been following the Tour.

when are the mountain stages, and who are the bad-ass climbers this year? If I wake up at ass-thirty, I want to see climbing agony
Dr. F.

Boulder climber
SoCal
Jul 12, 2013 - 10:24pm PT
Froome and his team are riding oblong chain rings

anyone got the specs on those babies..
I wonder how much of an advantage they could be.

I asked the same question last year, Wiggens was also running them
But I haven't heard a single peep about then nor now
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Jul 12, 2013 - 10:44pm PT
Yes, even I love Cav today. Maybe the best win of his TDF career.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 12, 2013 - 10:57pm PT
ms55401,

You're a wiser fan than you know.

The mountain stages I'll make sure to watch this year are Sunday, Thursday, and Friday.

You don't have to get up at dawn on Sunday - the big climb that day is at the very end.

But the other mountain stages are broadcast extra early - like 3:00 or 4:00 in the morning. You'll want to see all of those.
Mtbphoto

Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, Ca
Jul 12, 2013 - 10:58pm PT
Saw Contrador with a big smile on his face while talking in his race radio at about 2k to go. He know he did a great thing today
Darwin

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Jul 12, 2013 - 11:03pm PT

To totally toot my own horn, from July 8


Jul 8, 2013 - 10:06pm PT
Tomorrow the wind will wreak havoc and some Belgian team will produce the winner. Note that Cavendish's team is Belgian, so I'm kind of hedging my bets here. I'm not saying that I'll be particularly happy with him winning.


OK I got the day wrong, but you have to admit the call was petty good.
can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Jul 13, 2013 - 07:49am PT
Froome and his team are riding oblong chain rings

anyone got the specs on those babies..
I wonder how much of an advantage they could be.

Shimano used to market them on lower end road bikes under the name Bio-pace and they lasted for a couple of years before being replaced by regular round chain rings. The idea behind them is they remove the dead spot in one's pedal stroke.

Bobby Julich had pretty good luck with them and refined the shape a bit. I do believe he is part of the Sky coaching/management staff.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 13, 2013 - 11:08am PT
Shimano had BioPace on their montain bike group as well. I raced them for a year. They were supposed to even out the "dead spot" at the top/bottom of your stroke. They were ok once you got used to the different spin, but I never really got used to them.

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 13, 2013 - 11:26am PT
My first mountain bike ( Raleigh bonded aluminum "Technium" ) had the elliptical rings, too. But mine was the SunTour version. The small ring was almost square. I didn't care for them, either.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 13, 2013 - 12:39pm PT
More great racing today! Crowds were crazy.

Tomorrow, it is on!

Credit: StahlBro
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Jul 13, 2013 - 04:04pm PT
pass the meth,

my heart feels like an alligator,
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Jul 13, 2013 - 05:59pm PT
Tom Simpson 11/30/1937 - 7/13/1967, died on the slopes of the Ventoux.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 13, 2013 - 06:08pm PT
"Jesus. What the hell happened here?"

-Lance Armstrong, upon seeing Ventoux's de-forested summit. The trees went to good use, building ships from the earliest explorers through Napoleon ( which Lord Nelson sent to the bottom of the Atlantic ). Now the trees are gone.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 13, 2013 - 06:49pm PT
Shimano had BioPace on their mountain bike group as well. I raced them for a year. They were supposed to even out the "dead spot" at the top/bottom of your stroke. They were ok once you got used to the different spin, but I never really got used to them.

I ride an early 80's Schwinn High Plains for a commuter. Rebuilt the drive train a couple of months ago and even found a brand new Biopace ring on Ebay for it.

Since I've ridden it for more than 20 years, getting used to a round ring may be more of an issue. The Biopace had no advantages as far as power, but they are much kinder on bad knees. Not much of a market for bikes for bad knees, so I'm glad I ended up with one now that they are toast. (both the knees and the rings)
Rode it down to Long Beach and back today, (60+mi)

The new ellipticals are cut exactly opposite of the Biopace.


I"m looking for a road bike, anyone have any opinions on the Motobecane's

They look like the best deal going right now in a titanium frame.



WTF

climber
Jul 13, 2013 - 06:58pm PT
Mt meth where mr Simpson told his team to ride on as he crumbled I to the moonscape with an overdose of meth on board.

It's going to one tough day for Froome he is down to 6 teammates and they got caught out today and had to work hard.
Froome better find contadors wheel and stick to it.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 13, 2013 - 08:42pm PT
i would love to see the modern guys race this guy...

I will eat you where you stand
I will eat you where you stand
Credit: Stephan Vanfleteren
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 13, 2013 - 08:45pm PT
Damn! If you know what's good for you, you'll run right down to the store and buy up a bunch of Molteni, before someone gets pissed.
Dr. F.

Boulder climber
SoCal
Jul 13, 2013 - 10:41pm PT
They are different than Bio-pace.
That's why I asked

I guess I can google it some day
maybe we will all be spinning Sky Team elliptical chain-rings someday
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Jul 13, 2013 - 11:47pm PT
What TGT said. They are the exact opposite as the old Biopace....


Killer stage today.

How about Andrew Talansky going from 11th to 3rd in the last 200 meters?
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Jul 14, 2013 - 04:29am PT
i got a bunch of free cliff bars and gatorade today, happened to be on the chahalis bike path when a couple thousand bikers came my way, happened to be the seattle - portland race, group health or sumthin, free food in Tenio so i snuck into the snack line and loaded up, had them do a free tune up at the mobile velo shop while i was eating, then i went home while they slaved away towards centralia, life is full of free suprizes, take my mother in law for instance,not a bad gal, few extra pounds, like some of the riders today,jeez, they must be making rear wheels stronger cuz theses big gals can hammer, probably on the EPO or some other russian engineered designer compound, Eddie Borysewicz started all this doping, in colorado springs,so we burned his house down and had him deported. he knocked up rebecca twigg, and karen carpenter,
MMCC

climber
New Zealand
Jul 14, 2013 - 05:29am PT
Dr Sprock should do the live feed for Cycling News. He has the goods.
WTF

climber
Jul 14, 2013 - 11:09am PT
That hurt just watching that.

Good for Froome.


Cadel Evans was 8 minutes behind r u kidding me. RETIRE MATE!

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 14, 2013 - 11:17am PT
Yeah. What happened to Evans this year? Or maybe a better question is what happened to Evans two years ago?
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Jul 14, 2013 - 12:22pm PT
That was rad when Froome dropped Contador and again when he dropped Quintana!
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 14, 2013 - 01:46pm PT
Froome put his stamp on the this tour today. Really impressive how he took control. Port set him up perfectly.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 14, 2013 - 04:32pm PT
Froome's acceleration was crazy! WTF?
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Jul 14, 2013 - 09:24pm PT
the Germans seem to have something boosting their power this year that the others haven't gotten ahold of...we will be hearing about their disqualification in the future but they will have the glory TODAY!!!
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Jul 14, 2013 - 10:25pm PT
What German's are you speaking of? Great race! Froome is an animal.
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Jul 14, 2013 - 10:28pm PT
Who will crack? Who will win 2013?


1985 Bernard Hinault (FRA)
1986 Greg LeMond (USA)
1987 Stephen Roche (IRL)
1988 Pedro Delgado (ESP)
1989 Greg LeMond (USA)
1990 Greg LeMond (USA)
1991 Miguel Indurain (ESP)
1992 Miguel Indurain (ESP)
1993 Miguel Indurain (ESP)
1994 Miguel Indurain (ESP)
1995 Miguel Indurain (ESP)
1996 Bjarne Riis (DEN)*
1997 Jan Ullrich (GER)
1998 Marco Pantani (ITA)
1999 Void**
2000 Void**
2001 Void**
2002 Void**
2003 Void**
2004 Void**
2005 Void**
2006 Oscar Pereiro (ESP)***
2007 Alberto Contador (ESP)
2008 Carlos Sastre (ESP)
2009 Alberto Contador (ESP)
2010 Andy Schleck (LUX)
2011 Cadel Evans (AUS)
2012 Bradley Wiggins (GBR)
Argon

climber
North Bay, CA
Jul 14, 2013 - 11:11pm PT
The list of tour winners with Lance voided out looks ridiculous. Contador doped in 2010 but not in 2007 and 2009? Indurain doped, Riis doped, Ullrich doped, Pantani doped, Delgado doped, Merckx and Anquetil used banned substances - who knows, maybe the Badger doped too. But only Lance shall not be named.
Dr. F.

Boulder climber
SoCal
Jul 14, 2013 - 11:14pm PT
poor Andy Schleck, he cracked big time today
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jul 14, 2013 - 11:32pm PT
Should those voids be extended....in both directions?

I was a fan, I got up early to watch it live.....no more, I'm so disillusioned.
ms55401

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
Jul 14, 2013 - 11:38pm PT
dopers gonna dope! disillusioned gonna disillusion!


doped or not, these guys are putting out.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jul 14, 2013 - 11:44pm PT
Absolutely, but it's all about an even playing field. How would you like to be putting out to that degree and wondering if the guy on your wheel is enhanced......then again, maybe they all are.
Geez....in that case, it would be an even playing field.
can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Jul 15, 2013 - 10:54am PT
After watching the Mt. Ventoux stage a few times, I still get the gut reaction (after years of denials that they're using) that Froome's performance is a mirror image of past drug cheats. I hope that he is on the up and up, but history tells me he's cheating.

Not from his personal history, but the simple fact he is so over-the-top better then all the other elite climbers/time trialer he's been racing against.
John Mac

Trad climber
Littleton, CO
Jul 15, 2013 - 11:01am PT
The acceleration that Froome was showing was pretty damn impressive. I'd like to see his power ratings on that climb.
BruceAnderson

Social climber
Los Angeles currently St. Antonin, France
Jul 15, 2013 - 12:17pm PT
This is a pretty interesting article.
http://www.outsideonline.com/fitness/biking/Analysing-Froomes-Performance.html
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Jul 15, 2013 - 01:26pm PT
Yes Bruce, that article was INTERESTING!

Things that make you go hmmmm.
Jemarr

Social climber
Chico
Jul 15, 2013 - 01:45pm PT
Sometime I think its foolish racers be performance medicine free,
when majority of humanity is popping prescription pills. That old purity
idea is just old and out of date and should be tossed.
I'd say anything goes if I was in charge. Big Pharma has billions ready for sponsorships. Getting a piece of that cash would be nice.
Injections during the race? Just before the final sprint. Sure. After all its just entertainment. Like silicone boobs.
And putting on a good show is really the whole point.




Pajamas

climber
Wilderness, Home
Jul 16, 2013 - 02:29pm PT
Pretty near disaster on descent today!

Porte is effin killin it. Froome coulda been off on his main man's bike likety split.
John Mac

Trad climber
Littleton, CO
Jul 16, 2013 - 05:21pm PT
Interesting article on Sky's training methods today:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jul/15/team-sky-chris-froome-tour-de-france

I bet Porte will be their GC rider next year.
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Jul 16, 2013 - 11:08pm PT
Froome was complaining about Alberto's attacks on the descent. What a pussy! Does he expect everyone to sit up and let him win?

Shaddup you whiner!
stevep

Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
Jul 16, 2013 - 11:11pm PT
Either Froome is on the juice, or he's the greatest natural talent since Merckx (who juiced a little himself). And Froome appeared out of nowhere. Unlike say Lemond, there was no indication in Froome's early career that he'd be like this.

I'd like to believe. But it's really suspicious.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 16, 2013 - 11:49pm PT
Froome is getting cocky. Makes you wonder. He was signaling Contador to do some work at the end. Really?
MMCC

climber
New Zealand
Jul 17, 2013 - 12:02am PT
"Not normal". Who knows...
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Jul 17, 2013 - 12:13am PT
he is using bio-pace chain rings rotated 72 degrees, totally illegal

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 17, 2013 - 10:12am PT
One thing I would do to improve the TV coverage would be to totally disable the ZOOM lenses on all the motorcycle cameras.

What's gained by an extreme close shot looking into the vents on the back of a racer's helmet? Or by an extreme close shot into someone's ear canal?

Shitcan the zoom already. Pull back, so we can see the rider's position on the bike, the bike itself, the gears being used, the other racers, the fans lining the course, and the scenery. That's all part of the race too, but we're missing out on it to see yet another tight shot into someone's ear canal.
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Jul 17, 2013 - 10:07pm PT
OH, I was so bummed for Peraud.

He crashes in practice and breaks his shoulder (I did that this year).

Then he goes for it anyway, big time, not holding anything back, in the tt
and crashes again, on the same shoulder around 1 km. from the finish.

I have a feeling he won't start for the double Alpe d'Houez stage.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jul 17, 2013 - 10:49pm PT
So who scored the winning goal?

Is it over yet?
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Jul 17, 2013 - 11:03pm PT
Hey climbski2, why do you post on this thread? Do you just rotate through and put in your worthless $0.02 on all threads?
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Jul 17, 2013 - 11:12pm PT
Hate to say it but the last time we saw a performance like Froome's so far in this tour, it was the guy pushing yellow bracelets.
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Jul 18, 2013 - 12:47am PT
I'll tell you who's not doping. Cadel Evens. WTF. He must be sick or something.
As for all the armchair doping experts. Give it a rest and enjoy the show. Tomorrow should be awesome!
highcamp

Trad climber
Boulder, CO
Jul 18, 2013 - 01:29am PT
I think tomorrow would be truly awesome if it was a race amongst equals. Whether Froome is clean or not, his dominance this year is akin to Mike Tyson boxing against Jerry Seinfeld. He's got 4 minutes. Four!! That makes for a boring ass race. Especially when everybody knows that if he lays the hammer down tomorrow like he did on the other key stages that he could realistically stretch that 4 minute gap to 20 minutes... and that's no joke, he's that head and shoulders above everyone else. The rest of them might scrap for podium spots, but c'mon.

As to whether Froome is clean or not, I definitely have my suspicions. But, maybe that pre-2010 parasite really did affect his abilities that much. Maybe he is a late blooming, better-than-Merckx natural talent.

Still, I'm curious to see how Sky plays it tomorrow. I wrote about this on another site, but Thursday's stage should be interesting. With so many press agencies around the world publishing articles calling Froome's performance into question - e.g., making note that if he won these stages by a handful of seconds nobody would really think much of it - I wonder if Sky will take this into account in how they let Froome race. Maybe hold Froome back, have him ride defensive and/or win by just a small margin (sandbag it until the final switchback up the Alpe, give RP a win, etc). Or, if they are fully confident in his 'pane e acqua' performance, let him fly and push out the same wattage and VAM that he did on AX3 or the upper slopes of Ventoux. Basically saying "F you!" to all the doubters. We shall see.
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Jul 18, 2013 - 02:36am PT
About the only positive that Froome has in my book is that considering the current microscope that racing is under, if you are doping the absolute stupidest thing you could do right now is call that much attention to yourself. I don't think he's that much of an idiot, but I have zero trust and very little respect for bike racing right now.
fluffy

Trad climber
Jul 18, 2013 - 07:00am PT
I'll say it for him: 'FU to all the doubters.'
imo Froome is racing clean. unfortunately for them, his main rivals are too.
what's that Cadel? couldn't hear you from the bottom of the standings.
can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Jul 18, 2013 - 08:13am PT
I really hope he is racing clean. But now, anytime I see an other worldly performance I have my doubts, given the history of the sport.
mcreel

climber
Barcelona
Jul 18, 2013 - 09:04am PT
Reinhold Messner can count the number of clean Tour victories in the last 20 years on his toes, no problem.
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Jul 18, 2013 - 10:31am PT
Oh god! What a nail biter!


Go Tejay!
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2013 - 11:03am PT
Tejay might do it! Starting to struggle, but he has time!
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 18, 2013 - 11:09am PT
Amazing...It just might happen...Go Tejay.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 18, 2013 - 11:28am PT
Damn!!
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Jul 18, 2013 - 11:45am PT
Ohhhhh.....

At least France got a (big) win.
can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Jul 18, 2013 - 12:25pm PT
What a fantastic race!! While I wish that TJ had won, I'm glad France claimed the hardest stage.

Froome momentarily bonking today made him seem vulnerable and human. This alone gives me hope he's racing clean. I wonder what the outcome would have been if Porte had played by the rules and hadn't gone back to the team car for food?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 18, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
I don't know how it gets better than that!

Just the crowd lining the course made for a great stage. Everybody old enough to tie his own shoes was higher than a kite from the cheap red wine they'd been drinking since they woke up this morning, and when the race came by they did their best to act like it. I saw T.J. backhand one guy who was bothering him.

And then it turned into a real race.

rrider writes:

"If NBC is all there is, it might be pathetic, like the Olympics coverage."

I was worried about the same thing, too. But NBC could not have done a better job. The whole stage - start to finish - LIVE. I waited 35 years for this. Maybe NBC will do the Olympics like the bike race.
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Jul 18, 2013 - 01:04pm PT
Hey climbski2, why do you post on this thread? Do you just rotate through and put in your worthless $0.02 on all threads?

+1000
Darwin

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Jul 19, 2013 - 01:23am PT

There is a very very classy interview given by TJ at

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/van-garderens-bid-for-stage-win-falls-short-on-alpe-dhuez

I admire the heck out of TJ and would have loved to have him win and was sorry about the chain, but good for Riblon. He metered out his efforts masterfully. We have Bozeman people on ST. Given the size of the population, I wonder if they know him.


I've given up worrying about them drugging. If they don't get caught at the time, they get away with it. Unfortunately, I kind of assume the worst. I do wish we could take advantage of their experimentation to advance medical science though. All these data points are lost because they have to be so secretive.
WTF

climber
Jul 19, 2013 - 10:12am PT
That was brutal. I'm 100% positive TJ is not doping.

A doper would have won that stage. He was barely able to get in the dope testing wagon to pee.

Well Froome is just blowing me away and while he better had a good nights rest and some good food he has to ride hard for two more days. Yeah Richie Porte. Team mates they win you the tour on the days when your legs just can't turn them over fast enough.

If you want to see really how fast those guys are riding up hill check out the runners in the end of the stage. They can not keep up with the rider going up hill.
Speaking of runners hoy crap that was insane the people were over the top crazy. So many people I bet TJ had a hard time focusing on his cadence and keeping the bike on the best line. Wow what a bunch of FANATICS.

+ 2000 to Hardmanknotts +1000



Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Jul 19, 2013 - 10:49am PT
If you want to see really how fast those guys are riding up hill check out the runners in the end of the stage. They can not keep up with the rider going up hill.

-especially when you consider a lot of the climbing is sustained 8-9 %...

Watching today's rainy stage live at the moment. Reminds me of the ride I did on Tuesday...
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Jul 19, 2013 - 11:32am PT
Man. I was hoping Quintana would have attacked today for second place. Yesterday must have wiped him out. There's always tomorrow.
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Jul 19, 2013 - 12:08pm PT
Whoa!

WTF

climber
Jul 19, 2013 - 02:32pm PT
Not sure he deserved that. The guy who tripped him sure deserved a punch IMO.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 19, 2013 - 02:39pm PT
Did you see the joker in the Speedo and Afro wig get a nice body-check courtesy of a big French cop?

Man, I love this race!
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Jul 19, 2013 - 02:49pm PT
Yeah the crowd is out of control. Looks like a fun party.
WTF

climber
Jul 19, 2013 - 03:29pm PT
If I see another euro in a banana hammock running next to the peloton I might just cancel my European vacation plans. Holy sh#t that's some weird sh#t.

I liked the guys a few dad ago who just said screw it and all mooned the camera as the leaders road past them. I think there were about a dozen of them.

I have not watched today's stage yet but I suspect it was not a pleasant day to put a 120 miles in the saddle while it rains cats n dogs on you.

Saw the devil as well be was wearing yellow. Glad he's back.
To bad they don't show you all the other people like the guys on the side of the road with huge syringes and viles chasing known dopers.
Apparently that's bad for biz

dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Jul 19, 2013 - 06:15pm PT
Another killer day at The Tour and bravo to Rui Costa for his 2nd win.

I enjoyed the tripping vid above. There were more than a few fans that needed to be taken down.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2013 - 06:28pm PT
Yep, great racing again. It seems like you can really see more people taking it to the limit this year. Maybe less "recovery" medication?

Agree there are too many Borat-kini's this year. Just waiting for one of them to get the atomic wedgie...
WTF

climber
Jul 19, 2013 - 07:27pm PT
Hook a borat hammock on the mirror or one of those motor bikes and its going to be a fruit basket road rash on the road like no other.

Costa wins huh cool lance I'm a f*#king doper Armstrong stole a victory from him on a mountain stage in the alps I believe in 2008.

This is what now really bums me out about the dopers. They stole the dreams of men like Costa who deserved the win but had their glory taken away by a cheater.
Sad.

All out go for it tomorrow no slacking man. Sundays twilight finish will be awesome.
lars johansen

Trad climber
West Marin, CA
Jul 19, 2013 - 07:42pm PT
I'm hoping Quintana can hang on to his podium spot. Really promising future for him.

lars
can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Jul 19, 2013 - 10:40pm PT
Like Dee said, Bravo to Rui Costa. Two very impressive stage wins.

And yeah, Quintanna is a classy rider for sure.

Chapeau to Chris Froome for hanging tough and taking everything the tour has thrown at him.

Radio Shack has also shown to be riding with panache. Huge kudos to Andreas Klodden, his 2nd place today was amazing.

One thing about today's stage, was when the rain started pouring down, after racing over 2 HC climbs and then 3 first category climbs, I was thinking, I bet hypothermia could really hit some of the riders.

This has been a fantastic Tour.
Dr. F.

Boulder climber
SoCal
Jul 19, 2013 - 11:11pm PT
The Team Player of the year is Richie Porte
man is he a solid contender for next year
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 20, 2013 - 11:49am PT
Quintanna was really impressive today...23 years old...wow, second place in his first tour...wow, wow!

What a great race this year.

dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Jul 20, 2013 - 11:57am PT
Yay for Quintana, a stage win, the white jersey and the climbers jersey!
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Jul 20, 2013 - 12:05pm PT
Gotta love how the moto-cop was pushing the runners out of the way - basically running them off the road...

Sweet!!
mrtropy

Trad climber
Nor Cal
Jul 20, 2013 - 02:12pm PT
Killer day! I have a Colombian friend who bikes ride and he is so excited. This means so much for rider's village and family.
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Jul 20, 2013 - 02:25pm PT
F*#king Quintana. That dude can roll.
mrtropy

Trad climber
Nor Cal
Jul 20, 2013 - 02:39pm PT
Colombians also did very well at the giro!
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Jul 20, 2013 - 07:43pm PT
Yes, I've been trying to remember those other Colombians who cranked at the Giro.
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Jul 20, 2013 - 10:40pm PT
OK, I looked it up.

They were Rigoberto Uran (stage 10 win and 2nd place overall) and Carlos Betancur (white jersey and 5th place overall).
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Jul 21, 2013 - 11:18am PT
More kook action (screenshot from yesterday's highlights clip - click for full size)...

Get the fuçk outta the way, you drunken kook!!!!!!!!!1111
Get the fuçk outta the way, you drunken kook!!!!!!!!!1111
Credit: Hardman Knott
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Jul 21, 2013 - 12:23pm PT
Ha, ha . . . Froome gave that guy a pretty good belt with his long skinny arm.

Overall an excellent Tour this year!
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Jul 21, 2013 - 01:36pm PT
http://www.vitalmtb.com/videos/member/Tour-de-France-2013-Road-Gap-Full-Edit,22119/iceman2058,94
fluffy

Trad climber
Jul 21, 2013 - 01:47pm PT
Movistar has a legit team and a chance to win the GC if they back Quintana. Contador must surely feel like he's passing the torch.

great tour this year. Corsica was a real treat and there were some great mt. stages. congratulations to Froome and Sky...Richie Porte was really badass and Chris did an admirable job of countering attacks when isolated from his team. His attacking on the time trials and in the Pyrenees won him the race. he is a very special rider, a clean rider and a great ambassador for a clean tour future.

one final thought: tour authorities must do a better job of protecting the riders from crazed fans. it's cool to go nuts anout the sport but when contact with a rider occurs there should be consequences.
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Jul 21, 2013 - 11:55pm PT
Yes, git those psycho fans out o' da' way!


It was a great tour show today. Kittel is "the (new) man." That was where Cav was 5 years ago.

That was a great light show on the "Arch de Triomphe." It was awesome, the 100th Tour was a great success.

I hope Chris didn't eff it all up.
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Jul 21, 2013 - 11:57pm PT
Every year "The Tour" fulfills all our hopes and fears but this year was classic.
Dr. F.

Boulder climber
SoCal
Jul 22, 2013 - 11:26am PT
The worst part of the Tour is that it has to end.
I wish it would go on all summer long
Everyday a new stage, a new hope, a new reason to waste time watching the the greatest show on earth!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jul 22, 2013 - 11:32am PT
I watched this cutesy specialized promo with golden boy Ventura hyping hydraulic brakes on Cavendish's bike and how it saved Cavedish from a pile up..Then i read about Cavendish throwing a tyrone on the team bus about his POS specialized...HA , ha..
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