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Chris McNamara
SuperTopo staff member
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 3, 2013 - 07:14pm PT
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Dear SuperTopo Forum,
I'd like to take a moment to reiterate our Forum policy, which prohibits posting of photos with nudity or other inappropriate content.
While I'm sure it is fairly obvious why we have such a policy, please allow me take a moment to break down the key reasons behind our policy:
1) We want the SuperTopo forum to be a friendly resource for climbers of all skill levels, genders and ages. This has always been our goal.
As it says on the right column every time you post:
Our goal with the climbing forum is to provide a resource for climbers of all skill levels and experience to get information about climbing and climbing destinations.
Please help us keep the climber's forum a friendly and informative resource.
As others have noted, the site is frequently visited by young people, both male and female, who have an interest in the opinions of the many experienced climbers who frequent this site. Please try to keep in mind the broad nature of the SuperTopo audience when you post.
2) We have received complaints from many SuperTopo users about offensive posts, and noting that they don't feel comfortable on a forum that allows nudity. These complaints have been growing recently.
3) As many of you know, the Forum is funded through advertising. That doesn't provide a large amount of revenue, but it has been enough for us to keep the site in operation, and to host it on a server system that provides reasonable performance to host more than 2 million posts. Please understand that our advertisers are not comfortable presenting their brand alongside images with nudity. We recently received a termination notice from one of our major advertisers citing concern with nudity on the site.
There are many many sites places on the internet where you can freely post and/or view nude photos. SuperTopo is not one of them.
Please keep our policy (which we don't think is terribly onerous) in mind when posting,
Thank you,
Chris McNamara
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SalNichols
Big Wall climber
Richmond, CA
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Well, the complainant sure wasn't Bad Idea T-Shirts...
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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Finally!
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Very reasonable.
Before posting consider: would you want your child reading/seeing your post?
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Spanky
Social climber
boulder co
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cheers Chris, thanks for trying to keep it classy and about climbing.
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Some Random Guy
climber
Under a Little Pink Umbrella
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shoulda laid the smack down a while ago. i'm no angel, but i'll abide.
the dude abides, man.....
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10b4me
Ice climber
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Thanks, Chris
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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This thread needs to stay front page.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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It's funny how the same crybabies that whine about breasts have no issue with slandering the president of the u.s. on this forum. not mentioning names
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Thanks!
Some of us have memorials to loved ones on this thread and would rather not have
their memories mixed with soft porn.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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^^^ soft porn^^^
signed, smug sob
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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I'll have you know Jim I'm naming a new route in Woodfords Smug s.o.b. in our honor.
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SalNichols
Big Wall climber
Richmond, CA
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I'm changing the name of my boat to Soft Porn
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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As long as DMT can still post pictures of bear poop - then all will be fine.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Sometimes I want to sneak onto this site and see what's happening during the workday, like during a break or at lunch. On occasion, I have had my at-work Supertopo screen showing full or partial nudity to my total horror. I personally don't care, but the social and workplace norm these days makes such a display, if seen by the wrong person, cause to get fired on the spot. Keep it off here. Thanks Chris.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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I know there are those who feel I strech this sometimes but I will no longer do that.
You have my word.
Before posting consider: would you want your child reading/seeing your post?
Now, Lets keep this in mind with politics and guns.
I sure don't want any of my five children seeing gun crap or hearing how our great leader should die!
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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I sure don't want any of my five children seeing gun crap or hearing how our great leader should die!
Yeah, no sh#t huh
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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I can't remember the last time I watched this many people all trying so hard to not understand something.
There's a difference between a bar and a strip joint.
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goatboy smellz
climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
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If ignorance is bliss how come this forum is so unhappy with the human body?
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SalNichols
Big Wall climber
Richmond, CA
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You're absolutely right. In a strip joint, you actually get to see tits. In a bar, you and your buds just talk about them.
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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If there is ever a memorial of me anywhere, I expect it to contain soft core porn... and that sexy picture of Palin... you know the one!
Boobies are way better for kids than thinly veiled racism and flippant accusations of impending tyranny.
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goatboy smellz
climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Jun 3, 2013 - 07:04pm PT
Thanks!
Some of us have memorials to loved ones on this thread and would rather not have
their memories mixed with soft porn.
Seriously Jan, do you really think we are disrespecting the memory of your ex husband by being the boys we are wired too be. Trying to control climbers and their instinctual habits of fun and games is a losing game. Please do not think any of the pictures posted takes away from the memorial threads or our appreciation of them.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Well.....some of the photos on ST advertisements, while not nude, come pretty damn close. More provacative really....with a smidgen of imagination.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Potemkin Village
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Seriously Jan, do you really think we are disrespecting the memory...
Exactly.
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re: soft porn, "smut" (of the boob), the "filth" (of the female form), etc.
Completely understandable, re: this thread. As long as the traditional Judeochristoislamic ethic concerning sex and women and their bodies rules the land (as embarrassingly retro as it is; you'd think we'd learn and progress a little more quickly from the attitudes on display in Afgh or Pakis), I can certainly respect the business concerns however. "Business before pleasure." It's a shame though. Wish progress wasn't so difficult.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Please understand that our advertisers are not comfortable presenting their brand alongside images with nudity. We recently received a termination notice from one of our major advertisers citing concern with nudity on the site.
There are many many sites places on the internet where you can freely post and/or view nude photos. SuperTopo is not one of them.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Well.....some of the photos on ST advertisements, while not nude, come pretty damn close. More provacative really....with a smidgen of imagination.
Please understand that our advertisers are not comfortable presenting their brand alongside images with nudity. We recently received a termination notice from one of our major advertisers citing concern with nudity on the site. who was it ? I will not be purchasing anything from them!
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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since the naval is out of view I think you're o.k.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Locker...as usual, your imagination is running overtime.
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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I am now scarred for life.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Poor Kenny. No more t and a for you now either.
Thanks' for yer concern Michelle but I'm very adaptable. besides I'm climbing 3-4 days a week so not much time fer t&a but I could use a resole.
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SalNichols
Big Wall climber
Richmond, CA
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Mr. Donini and I are on the same page here. If your advertisers are into T&A, you just might be a bit over the top chastising us for posting a bit of T&A...seriously, Americans are such funking puritans.
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MisterE
Social climber
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I am sorry I killed your Da Brim advertising.
My wife insisted that any advertising is good advertising, and do you think I am going to tell her she is wrong?
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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Maybe locker can also do custom art on the shoes for you kenny.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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a good resole job is an art, no?
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hillrat
climber
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Please delete my account and all my posts. Thank you.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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hahahaha, mine too please. Hillrat, you'll have to be a little more aggressive than that.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Is it still OK to talk about BOOBIES ?
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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I've never posted nude pics but they don't bother me. It's the political crap that offends me. A bunch of mindless dribble spouting off in a cacophony of nonsensense.
Stupid Americans.
Carry on.
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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By their very nature, SuperTopo.com may carry offensive, harmful, inaccurate or otherwise inappropriate material, or in some cases, postings that have been mislabeled or are otherwise deceptive. We expect that you will use caution and common sense and exercise proper judgment when using SuperTopo.com.
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SalNichols
Big Wall climber
Richmond, CA
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Is it still OK to talk about BOOBIES?
If you're talking about seabirds....yes.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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C-Mac, your site, your terms. Thank you for putting up with us.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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C-Mac, your site, your terms. Thank you for putting up with us.
Amen!
Kenny, I agree -- the slander of President Bush by those who now complain about offensive posts was comically hypocritical.
John
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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I'm changing the name of my boat to Soft Porn
No you're not.
Susan
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SalNichols
Big Wall climber
Richmond, CA
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Yeah, you're right. My mom and Linda already hate this name.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Americans are so stupid. Violence is good but the naked human body is something to be ashamed of.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Thank sweet baby Jesus that St is a family friendly site. .. now we can get back to Ron nuking the Muslims.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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when I was in third grade me and my buddies already had a stash of nudie magazines, and I turned out o.k. LOL
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Most of my kids 11 year old friends have smartphones with an internet browser and full access to the internet. Good or bad, this is the reality. Naaaggghhh they are not going to find anything BAD out there in the internets. Futurecriminals#
Edit: Lockers Somewhere in the middle pic will populate my nightmares for years to come.
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portent
Social climber
your mom's house
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Now, Lets keep this in mind with politics and guns.
I sure don't want any of my five children seeing gun crap or hearing how our great leader should die!
werd. boobs are a lot less dangerous.
-kovar
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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chris should make sure the kids use Muppets as their avatars
I want Oscar.
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portent
Social climber
your mom's house
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You may want to clean off that brown spot on your nose. And take that dick out of your mouth while you're at it ;).
Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!!!
-Kovar
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Thank you to whichever advertiser finally woke Chris up. It is a shame that the abuse which was foisted upon many of those whom that advertiser was hoping to reach wasn't enough in the first place. I do not thank Chris, because he clearly could have cared less about those people. His silence on the issue was deafening. Frankly Chris - shame on you.
So, those of you crying over the thing like Chris has turned his back on you - it's not the case. He was stuck between keeping YOU placated by deciding to allow the misogyny to continue and flourish(as was clearly occurring as a byproduct of the "harmless appreciation of the beautiful female body" posts) and losing the small revenue which keeps the site running, along with(possibly) some talk behind the scenes amongst manufacturers who support the site or might do so in the future.
To those referring about ads from the t-shirt companies: There are two types of advertisers on Suertopo: Ones which Chris contracts with directly, which are most likely to include outdoors rec related companies, and "served ads" which Chris has only limited ability to filter.
Served ads come from Google. Chris has contracted with Google to serve ads here, as a revenue stream. Google bots crawls the threads and use information from them to post ads which would be of potential likely interest to those reading those threads. As an example, a thread about traveling to overseas destinations might be provided with advertisements from airlines, hotels,and travel services. An ad about tits will be provided with ads like the t-shirt ones referred to.
It is NOT Chris selecting the ads - those who are posting in such threads, and using terms such as "boobs," are creating signals which drive the ad server to display the ads.
And, if the crap has stayed within those threads ABOUT boobs, the t-shirt served ads would not have been seen on threads which were unrelated. But some people couldn't help themselves from whining and crying and hijacking unrelated threads. THAT would be how the t-shirt ads would end up being displayed on threads which would seemingly be unrelated to the boob ones.
You all brought it on yourselves, because some of you are bullies, asshats and misogynists. What a bunch of idiots some people can be.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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If Chris wants to regulate it into a kiddie pool, his vision is different, I think, than what attracted many of us here
Chris has said that he is getting advertisers threatening to pull their support if the nudity OR "inappropriate content" continues
those advertisers are paying the freight to keep supertopo open
so if you are going to accuse someone of regulating kiddie porn it would be them instead of Chris Mac
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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How about a G rated forum and an R rated forum?
I'll bet I know which will draw more hits, and posts.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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or an age limit of 18 determined by submission of birth certificate and parental consent!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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How about a G rated forum and an R rated forum?
G for goofballs and R for retards?
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Seamstress
Trad climber
Yacolt, WA
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I won't get fired for looking at rock porm or ski porn - but I sure would get fired on the spot for looking at nudity. On these subby days when I am trapped at work, a glimpse at the site keeps alive my hopes for the weekend or season. Hate to hide the lurking!
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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The same asshats that whine about the boobs are probably the same crowd that thinks every as#@&%e in town has the right to own an assault rifle with a few high capacity clips. Which is worse for kids?
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Sometimes I want to sneak onto this site and see what's happening during the workday, like during a break or at lunch. On occasion, I have had my at-work Supertopo screen showing full or partial nudity to my total horror. I personally don't care, but the social and workplace norm these days makes such a display, if seen by the wrong person, cause to get fired on the spot. Keep it off here. Thanks Chris.
This post really sums it up. I can't tell you how many times I've been in a public place perusing the forum, when a nude or semi-nude photo would suddenly pop up, completely out of context of the title of the thread. Extremely embarrassing and annoying! At least with the "official" Boob Thread (RIP) you would know knott to click on it in public (especially with kids around, lest you be mistaken for some creepy, classless pervert viewing porn in public - a very misleading characterization of someone who actually dates women in real-life. ;-)
Here's my suggestion for those who have a problem with this:
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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perty sure some of the righteous bros have an opinion as well
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Trad is Rad
Trad climber
San Luis Obispo California
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when I was in third grade me and my buddies already had a stash of nudie magazines, and I turned out o.k. LOL ^^^^+1
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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I have the feeling that the complainers are mostly woman
understandably so, and isn't that reason enough to not post such content as Chis asks?
throw in the advertisers on the web site don't like it and will stop advertising..
throw in thousands of alternative soft porn web sites you can visit instead
getting kind of difficult to keep arguing against what Chris wants isn't it, but keep trying?
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McCfly
climber
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Locker:
And the men that are complaining are men whom have giant vaginas for man parts.
I am all for Chris taking the stance as he has in the case revenue has been lost from advertisers. That i can understand and get behind 100%
I am not in support of those or restricting nudity under any other premise. All and all this is not a big deal but prude wanna throw your rules over me types are just he worst. Out of all the stuff that gets said and done on this forum the nudity should be the last thing you are worried about you kids seeing. Your kids have seen and will see worse on the internet if nudity is your concern. Sh#t half of your kids over the age 13 are probably sexually active and you just cant admit it to yourself.
As for women or men getting bent outa shape about nudity i say step out of the stone ages and wake up. Somebody needs to give you all a good shake.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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what about that garbage on the political threads? some of you guy's are downright evil to each other. why doesn't that bother anyone? they just don't go there. I couldn't care less if I ever saw another boob photo on this site, but the fact that if you partake you're a vile, filthy smut lover who sits around the campfire with yer buddies talking filthy around ten year olds is ridicoulous
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Having soft-porn images pop up unexpectedly in public is creepy, period.
It's a rockclimbing site (duh).
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Kenny, you doof, advertisers don't read anything, they just look at the pictures like most of us.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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so boob photos are considered soft porn?
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Out of respect for it's creator, ST users should abide by Chris' rules.
Unfortunately, you can't tell someone with no class what they are missing.
The name calling, violent and pornographic imagery, and writings filled with hate make this forum an unsafe place for children.
The folks responsible for this behavior aren't going to change. It's what they are.
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phylp
Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
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Thanks, Chris!
And thanks again for providing this unique and entertaining playground.
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McCfly
climber
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Owch Pud!!
I am so hurt i have no class. Actually i have plenty although like anything in life it all comes down to personal perspective now doesn't it ;)
There is a time and place for everything in life. Imop the internet is the wild west. No rules anyone and everyone know it was it has been the way it will always be. You don't like it keep your kids contained. Ow and shouldn't you be working at work not screwing off on the Taco?
Se whats the problem again?
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Jebus, it was self-deleted.
My point was basically that the Terms of Service says 13 and up, and a PG-13 movie rating (which may provide a reasonable guideline of what is acceptable for a 13yo to view), allows for both nudity and profanity.
I deleted because I just don't care anymore. My days of posting here are rapidly drawing to a close. Too many whiners, complainers, and hangers on, and very little quality content (and by that I don't necessarily mean on-topic...birds thread is great as an OT example).
Have fun kids. I'm sure I will always lurk and occasionally post. Just tired of endless circle-jerkery about "civility" and similar.
Good day sir.
I said GOOD DAY!
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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This is a proper stance for a public forum if nudity is not expressly part of the purpose.
That said I love nudity. Got my own porn stash like most folks. I used to think there was no good reason whatsoever for ANYONE to have a problem with consensual nudity and it various forms of porn.
Then I got to know a gal who had one of the most terrifying and abusive childhoods you can imagine. This childhood destroyed her life in many ways. Because of her I studied and learned how incredibly common sexual abuse is for women. The damage that is done can be permanent like the worst forms of PTSD. Infact worse due to the developing levels of a childs brain. Pathways in the brain that develop and cause lifelong issues. Sadly images can bring on a rush of terrible memories and feeling for folks who have suffered these abuses. I think most people cannot fathom how common and damaging this issue is.
Patrick from Ireland on this forum can attest to this also.
SO I came to the conclusion that for the sake of those who have dealt with these issues it is not right to shove their faces into the dark corners of their past which by no fault of our own can be triggered by images of nudity. Keep nudity in well marked places that can be avoided by those who wish not to see it.
Also makes it easier for those of us who enjoy it.
Other problems people have with nudity are theirs and not mine as far as i am concerned
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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I like looking at nudes as much as any guy. I don't like seeing guy parts badly photoshopped onto other people's heads that have been photoshopped onto fat donkeys with camel-toes, all just to insult someone. It's just ugly and weird.
I'm pretty sure that ugly and weird stuff showing up randomly is what some people don't like about the forum. It doesn't take a prude to be put off by that stuff.
Dave
P.S. I have always found this site as a place for bratty male teenagers, not for adults. Adults just don't seem quite so offensive and certainly not so easily offended as the people here.
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DanaB
climber
CT
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People often seem to mention "being adults" and "adult content" - when they are acting like children.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Meanwhile, as people whine about the forum's imminent demise, Zander has started a very thoughtful thread about rockfall issues on the Column and big walls generally, Pellucid Wombat has posted a couple of picture-rich trip reports about two Sierra classics, and the "Republicans" thread is still there, containing both intellectually stimulating and intellectually vacuous posts. Predictions of the forum's demise seem rather exaggerated.
John
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jebus, cool down man, I was agreeing WITH you!
and
so boob photos are considered soft porn?
yes, on this website according to Chris and his advertisers
elsewhere obviously not
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Barbarian
climber
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Thanks for posting the policy. I have no problem with it.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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I came to the conclusion that for the sake of those who have dealt with these issues it is not right to shove their faces into the dark corners of their past which by no fault of our own can be triggered by images
Where does it end?
We have combat vets posting here, and yet people have, and do, post images of limbless corpses and other graphic war images, images that could have exactly the same effect.
We have people who've had traumatic near-miss avalanche, rockfall, cornice collapse, etc episodes. Yet we "shove their faces into the dark corners of their past" everytime you post images of big alpine faces, post about rockfall, images of avalanches, etc.
So again, where does it end?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Sure it's complicated. The important things always are. Some thoughts though..If you come to a climbing site like ST or a thread about an accident you know what you might see. If you look in on a thread about war..same thing. If you go to a porn site same thing or if you go to stephensons gear site.. lol
It's also part of our responsibility as people to try to understand the lives of people around us.
Basically take time to understand that things have a time and place and when and where those are. Sure errors can be made and corrected.. no big deal. but it helps if folks dont just obliviously and without any thought post up things bound to hurt others. I know it's hard to understand how hurtful images of nudity can be for those who have experienced abuse. Also it is really hard to fathom how common that experience is. I still find myself boggled by all of it but sadly i know how real it is for so many.
We can handle these things with a bit of consideration and class if we wish not to truly harm people.
Not talking about banter and flames and lighthearted rudeness but understanding that all that can cross a pretty vague line and simply trying to take a moment and consider where a line might be.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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a wise man is known by the smart things he doesn't say
good manners evolved to help communities hold together
a long climbing career seems to inspire a certain depth of wisdom
from the limits of my perspective, this is the best collection of interesting posters on the internet
however climbing also attracts some people who can't seem to get their head out of their poop tube
these few crudely drive away or limit the interest of many in our community who would be wonderful participants
a sad loss to us all
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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from the limits of my perspective, this is the best collection of interesting posters on the internet
Tom, thanks for saying that, I feel the same way, lots of really cool and great people here
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rgold
Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
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You'd think from some of the responses that pornography is so hard to obtain and climbers are so desperately starved for it that its presence on a site devoted to climbing is some kind of necessity.
Someone says you are welcome at their house, but asks that you please remove your shoes while inside. So a guest keeps their shoes on, tromps through all the rooms, and invites a host of others to do the same.
No one ought to be even remotely surprised if the tromper is no longer invited, but for some reason, not only do some folks manage to express surprise and even outrage, but someone else, with full knowledge of the situation, does the same thing, and slowly but surely the original trompers do it all over again. Every single one of them knew about their host's request at that point.
So now the host puts a note on the door about not wearing shoes inside.
Then what? Folks walk in with slippers, "Are these shoes?" or sandals, "Are these shoes?" Then come denunciations of American society as too uptight to tolerate shoes indoors, and observations about the deleterious effects of the judeo-christian shoe ethic. These entirely personal perspectives on location-appropriate shoddiness are advanced as if they should override the host's request for appropriate behavior in his own house.
The shoe analogy is weak in one respect: most people already have their shoes on when they arrive at someone's house, and might innocently forget to take them off. But those who are driven by a need to (re)post pornographic images have to put in some effort to search the sites and copy the links. It is an active intrusion, not a passive one, and so violates the host's requests in a much more confrontational way.
In many ways, it is analogous to bringing a boom box to the crags and playing it full volume, under the presupposition that everyone shares your taste in music and wants to hear it at full volume whenever the urge for musical inspiration strikes you. Folks who like the subtle and transient sound of the outdoors and are there at least partially for that purpose are uptight politically-correct whiners who can't appreciate the natural beauty of sonic-boom-level waveforms.
Chris Mac has made the rules explicit and even explained them, which with this crowd is probably a mistake. Sensible as they are, it doesn't matter why he has the rules he has. It doesn't matter how consistent he is in enforcing them either. It's his "home" and the rest of us are guests here---take it or leave it.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Tom, thanks for saying that, I feel the same way, lots of really cool and great people here
Hear, hear!
John
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LongAgo
Trad climber
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Obvious to all, I’m sure: but there is the nude and there is the crude, and there is discussion and there is misogyny. Erecting policy fences between them will not work to satisfaction of all, here or anywhere on the net. The only checks in cyberspace gab come from the interplay of the posting parties, the clash of ideas, principals and preferences (whether about language, tone, climbing styles, politics, or all else on supertopo). Those offended in such discussions should not hesitate to speak up when offended. Their voices are important and need to be heard. None should keep quiet or storm off on important subjects. So bravo to the concerned voices on this thread. Some will listen, some will laugh, some will bite. All voices should keep coming.
Tom Higgins
LongAgo
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labrat
Trad climber
Auburn, CA
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Go to Tumblr if you want to look at porn.
Come to the Taco if you want to get trolled, scolded, harassed, or told You Are Going to Die!
Thanks for clearing the air a little CMac......
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portent
Social climber
your mom's house
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Ahhh... What would we do without the drama?
-kovar
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Squirrell
Boulder climber
N. Cali under the bridge
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My daughter was online last week at school. They were allowed to be online searching for photographs that went along with a fiction writing project they were working on. She is in a few pictures here from Chris' books and apparently being 12 now and very internet savvy, she decided to come here and look up a few pic real quick for her project. (I'm sure kind of showing off to her friends too might have been involved...;) and she was a tinsy bit surprised, to say the least. I got the full shock report when I picked her up from school. She has mentioned it twice since too.
You all may not know this, but there are LOTS of lurkers out here. Myself included.
It's all fun and games until someone gets poked in the eye! lol...
I personally, don't mind myself but she is just now coming into an age where it is becoming better to appreciate one's individuality instead of "just being like everyone else" and she is just now starting to appreciate just how "cool" her Mom's side of the family is. Something that she perhaps has been questioning for a few years now because we are so "different" so to speak than her Father's family and most of the other families her friends have.
We climb on rocks. It's very important to us. We drove around like madmen taking guide book pics & such. We never stop loving it and our psych never decreases. I guess she is realizing that this rock climbing stuff is never going to go away or drift out of our lives, maybe ever.
She's been crushing it lately at the gym and getting more and more motivated about how much time she spends there. The gym, I know, but at least she is wanting to move forward and not deciding that it is not for her. (Thank goodness!)
I hope to post some trip reports here too someday soon because things are getting easier to "family crush" so to speak...
But ~
When she decides to come on here again and snoop around to see what else this Super Topo rock climbing stuff that Mom & Chris are into ~ is all about, I hope she won't be appalled again. Thanks ST forum.
BTW ~ mad props too. I do like snooping around on the forum. Mostly everything rocks and you guys are always on top of the latest stuff. I appreciate that.
Thanks.
Valentine Cullen
I usually keep quiet until it comes to protecting my daughter. That's when I speak up. I'm sure you all understand!
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Mmmmmm....
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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We have combat vets posting here, and yet people have, and do, post images of limbless corpses and other graphic war images, images that could have exactly the same effect.
Could you link to any of those posted images, please? As far as I've seen, graphic gore photos have been summarily deleted by admin rather quickly, whereas Anastasia's Boob Thread went to well over 600 posts for weeks before it was nuked (and had many, many fully nude shots).
Just thought I'd offer some perspective...
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deuce4
climber
Hobart, Australia
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hear hear! Good work Chris.
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Daphne
Trad climber
Black Rock City
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^^^ yeah, do tell. The blood I remember seeing here is from gobies and missing teeth. Climbing injuries.
I am glad to hear about this policy. It makes for a better site for many of us.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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"shoddiness" and "naughdiness"
either one or the other, no room for the subjective
this is not an art gallery, it is a dicussion forum
Tom C. is dead on on this sissy issue
real men and ladies talk about SAFETY*
*as in "I propose a safety meeting on this."
Subject:
Is this nude, or is it mocking the dead, or is it simply art for art's sake?
Save you the trouble, see Herr Freud's remark about cigars and reality.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Lovegasoline makes some very valid points. America is very puritanical. I do not think that is a healthy system. However it it what it is and the bottom line is that we should have consideration for the culture we operate in.
Wherever that is. Not doing so causes harm even when unintended.
Fortunately over time our culture does seem to progress towards a healthier set of rules.
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crunch
Social climber
CO
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lovegasoline makes some good points about the US. But is France really better?
"The French Republic ranks 57th in the world for women’s equality, behind much of Eastern Europe, as well as Mongolia, Uganda and others."
This is taken from the Washington Post, last year:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/10/25/why-french-women-have-so-little-equality-a-story-in-charts/
Which also states:
"Economic opportunity for French women is similarly low, particularly on wage equality, on which France ranks a stunning 129th in the world. According to the World Economic Forum’s global survey, France is the absolute worst in the world for gender wage equality.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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America is very puritanical. I do not think that is a healthy system. However it it what it is and the bottom line is that we should have consideration for the culture we operate in. Very well said.
Nice language Locker!
yer' incorrigible
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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However it it what it is and the bottom line is that we should have consideration for the culture we operate in.
Can't have the people in the third world fighting against the machine!
Gotta have consideration for the puritanical system they live in!
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Can't have the people in the third world fighting against the machine!
Gotta have consideration for the puritanical system they live in!
Yes they should seriosly think about their culture especially when fighting against the machine (or the culture itself). At least if they want to win.
Not doing so would be like a mountaineer with no consideration for weather.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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that bear was crazed and a hell of a threat to the screens!
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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just a thought but Fatty probably has contributed more to climbers causes than most around here.
...and that does not give him the right to be an inflammatory as#@&%e 100% of the time, injecting his unique brand of self-aggrandizing delusion into his every post and doing his best to make every thread about him. along with rockjox and the LEB thing, he was a cancer to this site and booting him was one of the best things c-mac ever did.
IMHO both sides of the "boob" issue need to relax. to me, posting boobs is just not that big of a deal and all the angst expressed by both sides is WAY over the top. That being said, I really appreciate rgold's post. This is Cmac's "house," and I am a guest here. I appreciate being allowed to post here and will respect Cmac's rules.
Peace!
Edit to add -
I find the sanctimonious bear-killing christian and his "look how cool and christ-like I am for shooting an animal" picture and post to be more offensive than any picture in the boob thread. Don't want to see him banned or censored, but i can't imagine that magic jesus likes bear executions... just sayin'.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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so where, exactly, am I to go on the Internet now when I want to see a titty or two? where???
thanks, Ruling Class. Thanks a lot.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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btw, did that clown ever apologize for killing the bear? my recollection is that he strutted around the Taco for a week and later blamed some June Lake hippies for the bear's death.
Idly curious.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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nah, it was Obamas fault.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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I have to make my prediction now
russ will delete
doesn't matter. I already jerked it twice.
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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btw, did that clown ever apologize for killing the bear? my recollection is that he strutted around the Taco for a week and later blamed some June Lake hippies for the bear's death.
Idly curious.
Actually, because of the reaction to his "i shot this bear for jesus" post, that clown threw a hissy fit and said he was done with this site. It was the same thing that happened when he tried to save and then publicly passed a very negative judgement on a down and out climber who didn't respond well to his proselytizing. When a large number of people called him out on his sanctimonious BS and un-christlike behavior, he vowed to leave this site forever... and yet he is back. I think he said he was leaving during the height of "boobiegate," calling this site a tool of satan or something similar, yet he is back and posting again... whatever.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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The Devil is in the details...
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Jesus hates boobs.
I read that in the Upanishads! He only had Mary Magdalena from behind so as not to be offended by her D-cups.
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little Z
Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
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Erecting policy fences between them will not work to satisfaction
Erecting??? Satisfaction???
do I have to put up with this kind of smut?
...obsenity is in the eye (mind) of the beholder
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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that's filthy! how you doin little z?
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splitter
Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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bash, bash, bash ... bash, bash, bash.
what a bunch of lame, insecure, ignorant, arrogant and pretentious fools.
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little Z
Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
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hey Kenny,
healing up alright (busy picking off scabs while scanning the Taco) but finished the drugs yesterday. Sorry I missed the pig and chewin' the fat with all you good folks. There's always next year.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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bash, bash, bash ... bash, bash, bash.
what a bunch of lame, insecure, ignorant, arrogant and pretentious fools
I guess that makes +1
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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How about a G rated forum and an R rated forum?
I'll bet I know which will draw more hits, and posts.
What is so laughable, is the desperation being show by some, to preserve their need to post nude pictures, that it's lost that this stuff is totally off-topic....and probably the advocates are the same ones that say no off-topic stuff should be allowed......unless, of course, it is THEIR off-topic stuff.
Yep, and generating all those hits and posts, we can look forward to being overtaken by the far larger universe of non-climbers who love that stuff obsessively.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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were yanking the anchors off that thing to much loose crap up there, glad you're doing well
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Ken M do you think anyone really cares about the boobs, or is just being told you can't have em? after all they are just boobs
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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As for women or men getting bent outa shape about nudity i say step out of the stone ages and wake up. Somebody needs to give you all a good shake.
McStupid, it is about the disrespectful objectifying of women as having no value beyong their looks, and taking that to an extreme, such as underage girls.
This is Mac's workplace. What goes on here, is what he will be known for.
One day, when you are old enough to have a job and pay taxes, you will find that there are laws about a hostile workplace, which includes posting of nude pictures of women. Go ahead and do it. Then you can file for unemployment.
You're method of education, physical assault, is what a lot of men have used to impose their sexual preferences on others. If you become a man, you will find that your chances of getting to 20 with your own teeth will dramatically improve if you keep your preferences to yourself.
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splitter
Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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ihateplastic - hey, i ran out of adjectives, but i figured i had enough that at least one or two would apply to somebody. ;)
edit: seriously, why is it so popular on this forum to bash dean? simply because he's an X'tian (X is the greek letter/word for Christ, btw). he has put countless hours, etc into an orphanage in central america. he adopted one of its orphans. what if she would have went outside first that night and was mauled. the bear had broke into over a dozen homes/cabins in as many days and was becoming a threat and a public nuisance. the d00d was fingered as being a scam artist by a dozen reputable sources here on st. why don't you bash them also!!!!
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rurprider
Trad climber
Mt. Rubidoux
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Take note of the policy......ANASTASIA!!
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Splitter, that as#@&%e brought my mother into it, that's goin to far!
EDIT: LOL
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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seriously, why is it so popular on this forum to bash dean?
Not bashing, just taking extreme issue with his sanctimonious attitude, judgmental comments, pride over killing a bear and drama queen antics. All the stuff he does with the kids and the orphanage is totally cool.
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Anastasia
climber
Home
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First of all I was doing cleavage shots, none of mine were nudes. :) Some of the boys took it to the next level and a few took it another 100 levels up.
Now that I look back, what I did was in poor taste. I sure as heck won't be doing that again.
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goatboy smellz
climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
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Anastasia
what I did was in poor taste
No it wasn't, it was a celebration of the human body and you should be proud of what you started instead of kowtowing to the prudes. The political threads are in poor taste.
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RP3
Big Wall climber
El Portal/Chapel Hill
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Good work Chris.
If you need to look at internet boobs, there are far more effective websites than supertopo.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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JOEY.F
Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
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Thanks for posting the policy. I have no problem with it.
A +1 from me to Barbarians post.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"Not bashing, just taking extreme issue with his sanctimonious attitude, judgmental comments, pride over killing a bear and drama queen antics. All the stuff he does with the kids and the orphanage is totally cool."
Yeah, that pretty much says it all.
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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all this over bewbs..
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Boys always get cranky when there aren't enough boobs around.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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If that's knott a clue to step the hell away from the computer, I don't know what is!
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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There is no need for the crude but there should be no fear of the nude. i suppose the problem lies in the fact that too many seem to post the crude. i personally do not recall ever seeing offensive images on a climbing thread. in most cases the only time that the soft porn shots were visible was on threads that were way OT..
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Tobia
Social climber
Denial
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Just to stay on the good side of the Sherrif.... how do we classify something like this? Please advise.
Very strange.
Is it nudity?
Definition of nudity (noun): the state or fact of being naked
(Oxford Online dictionary)
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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The "Gud" Shurrif is in town.
Thank Gawd amighty the kids are safe.
Cause the man can do no wrong.
We can be armed just not boobed.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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To all the whiners posting: This site belongs to Chris Mac, and we use it at his pleasure. If we don't play by his rules in the sandbox, we may not have one.
I for one, have cut back by ~95% in my posting as a response to some of the bashing that occurs here. Even though I'm just an old fart these days, I consider myself a climber first and a guest here as a poster, second.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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If we don't play by his rules in the sandbox
My six and nine year old are already bored with their sandbox, what's our problem?
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Yes we sure wouldn't want our impressionable youth getting the wrong things in their heads.
Because, you know, things could go bad.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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thanks for those pics, I was wondering what was a good age to get my kids assault rifle trained. Looks like i'm starting late.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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OMG a side bar ad just showed up for a site called Cougar Life. It shows a woman posing suggestively in a bra. What could she possibly want? Forgive me for I have sinned. I have viewed smut on the net. I have lusted in my heart. Now I have to scrub myself down with clorox and sand before heading to the confessional. Maybe I will stop on the way there to shoot off a wad of 9mm hollowpoints 'cause that always relaxes me.
I have no problem following CMac's site rules. But the feigned outrage over nudity and concern about the negative impact on our youth is not, in light of the unfettered glorification of guns and gun violence on the forum, a position I can respect. the hypocrisy reeks.
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McCfly
climber
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Yup the love of Guns and everything Republican is way more offensive if we are gonna talk about being moral and sensitive to what each other believes.
Gun laws, morning after pill, abortion, blah blah blah list could go on and on..
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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The puritan v. violence thing is deeply rooted in our culture and isn't going to be sorted out on supertopo. Get over it.
This whole months long melodrama about boobs has been ridiculous on both sides. The righteous indignation against being told not to post pictures of naked women on someone else's website on one side, and being told that liking pictures of naked women is about the same as human trafficking on the other, is all just absurd.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Chris has never spoken about any "feigned outrage over nudity" or "concern about our youth"
never
the only people talking about those things are people posting, not Chris
Chris's concern is losing any advertisers who's money keeps this site open
He has also asked to stop posting any "inappropriate content"
this does not seem that puritanical to me and easy enough to comply with
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splitter
Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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what a bunch of lame, insecure, arrogant, ignorant and pretentious fools. WOW, that's pretty harsh, d00d!
Oh, i posted that. (lol)
well, let me see...
lame- check
insecure - check
arrogant - dunno, maybe if i crush Silk Banana ;)
ignorant - i heard ignorance is bliss, so perhaps i'll give it a try
pretentious - to be honest with ya, i'm not exactly sure what this word means. but, i wanted to sound sophisticated, so i used it. (hey, what do you expect from a canuck? ... so stfu).
fool - me? no f'n way. stoopid maybe, but no fool!!
plus, according to 'Sewellymon' i've got 'personal issues' (i think he switched it from 'personality disorder'/kinda had me sweatin' bullets there for a day or so. talk about harsh, sheesh. but 'issues', duh! no sh#t Sherlock, don't we all?
listen up, i was just trying to help my bro, 'Cragman' out a little! us X'tians gotta stick together (being fed to lions, etc, once upon a time, will encourage peeps to do just that). plus, i bet if any of you guys (that have been trashing him) showed up at his place, he would invite you in, and take you on a tour of all the climbing spots, etc! so cut the dood a little slack, eh?
kennyt - "Splitter, that as#@&%e brought my mother into it, that's going to far." -- haha! yep, i gotta admit, them's fightin' words. just ask any Sherpa, eh?
"LOL" - indeed!!
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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I have NO complaints, she has f*#king beautiful teeth
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little Z
Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
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make me complain Locker, please, make me complain
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McCfly
climber
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Locker:
How did you know she is my all time favorite.
Well i am not much a fan of the big breasted woman more of a small breast Kate Moss kinda guy.
If you are gonna do big breast full figured type woman you cant do better than Salma imop.
Woman reeks with sex appeal!!
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McCfly
climber
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I feel like a nerd saying this but Salma is one of the few women i feel looks better in clothes. Mostly due to her having impeccable taste in clothing and striking that perfect combo of class and sexyness.
Never seen her in as little clothing as in this movie clip but hot dam she is as perfect as my mind imagined her to be!
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Anastasia
climber
Home
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LOL... I do not control Bill or what he post on the web. Why do you assume I do, who is controlling you?
Plus... Remember, I have had a kid. Use that thing between your ears and think a second on what that means, especially to certain body parts. Yeah... Though thanks for the compliment of thinking it was me. I'll take that.
AFS
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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please have bill post it up.hahaha
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Roots
Mountain climber
SoCal
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Right back up to the top!
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Anastasia
climber
Home
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He's working overtime at two hospitals so I am actually not going to see him for a few days. Email him if you want something since that's what I do. Yup, no phone calls during rounds and surgery. Yes, this is normal.
You email him. I'll sit back and watch. This will be interesting.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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^^^ his acct. has been deactivated. I think some kids read his work
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beefcake of wide
climber
Nederland/GulfBreeze
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Kids are sensitive these days, we need to protect them from the real world.
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ElCapPirate
Big Wall climber
Reno, Nevada
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It seems like common sense that you wouldn't post nudity on this site... huh, Chris?
I bet half the crap wouldn't get posted if the users weren't anonymous. It's a lot easier when you don't have to stand up and be accountable for your actions.
Like TMJesse mentioned, I was browsing the ST forum when I worked at Patagonia, during a slow spell. Some full on nudity popped up on my screen and I got SOOO embarrassed. Especially, since I sat in the middle of the room and everyone could see my computer screen. I was not only embarrassed for myself, but for all climbers that post here and especially for the ones posting nudity.
Guess what? I never went to this forum again... while at work.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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I promise to never even think of posting a boob shot if you all quit yer bellyaching
seems fair
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McCfly
climber
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Coz:
Regardless of topic you come across pretty darn conservative leaning strongly in the direction of if not heavily in the direction of republican type views and agenda.
Not saying anything other that calling it as I see it. Nothing wrong either way liberal conservative, I suppose even some staunch conservatives are good people just with imop f*#ked up views and moral code regarding the obvious topics of contention. Many conservatives I have met are pretty harmless leading productive lives not hurting anyone other than voting on or against issues that imop do hurt people. Other than that though it is not like all conservatives are evil monsters. With that said I am sure conservatives feel exactly the same way about my hippy dippy liberal views and those that share my ubber liberal perspective.
The beauty of it all is we are all entitled a opinion and voice of our own.
On the topic of nudity on a public forum i clearly get that it is not appropriate for young children to views some of the material posted on SP in the context it is being posted. Kiddy porn though hardly!
Regardless of how i feel it is clearly the right of the site owner to make these decisions for us. On the other hand i do think that with what we know of the internet as adults and most of us here are adults it is a parents responsibility to monitor what their children are viewing online.
As for adults at work well get off the forums on company time and get to work. Seems pretty simple to me that if you know a web site has the chance of having content that is not appropriate for viewing at work than don't freaking log on! Shouldn't be f*#king around at work anyhow.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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I believe exploiting animals is one of the lowest forms of humanity.
That's why beating a dead one is so upsetting to me.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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John, thanks' for setting me straight, and my post is not bellyaching, I'm just tryin to do my part to correct this injustice.
this seems like a dead issue. do you think anyone's losing sleep over the absence of a boob thread? ridiculous
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ElCapPirate
Big Wall climber
Reno, Nevada
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As for adults at work well get off the forums on company time and get to work. Seems pretty simple to me that if you know a web site has the chance of having content that is not appropriate for viewing at work than don't freaking log on! Shouldn't be f*#king around at work anyhow.
I knew THAT was coming. I have a very high work ethic and it took me a long time to browse the internet on company time. The fact was, my job was to answer online questions in a chat window about Patagonia products. When it was slow we didn't have anything to do. So, a lot of the times I would try and find ways to be productive and benefit the company, at the same time... like gear reviews, promoting sales, etc.
Other times it was just so slow we would literally sit for 15-20 minutes without anything to do. It was pretty standard for us to share links and our passion for the outdoors with coworkers, at these times.
I love climbing and enjoy most posters here, even if I don't agree with them 100%, with everything.
Is it too much to ask to want to go to a climbing site and read climbing material?
I'm pretty good at weeding the crap out. But, Chris asked that certain material not be posted. I think we should respect his wishes.
Enough said.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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What kinduh a Pirate arrrrr ya?
meant as humor.
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ElCapPirate
Big Wall climber
Reno, Nevada
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One that has a wench with a REAL set of boobies, ha ha.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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It's usually the best way to go.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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I said usually
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mooser
Trad climber
seattle
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Is this actually a climbing forum populated by adult men and women who are upset that they can't post pictures of nude women? Are you kidding me?
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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I'm Only an adult on the outside.
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McCfly
climber
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I don't care either way. After a day out climbing or in the case of today a 1.5 hr hot yoga class, a 2 mile swim followed by cutting the lawn and cleaning the gutters I tend to still have a couple hours in the day to kill. Being most days i tend to check the site at least once it does not take long to rummage through the newest content. Once that is done screwing around seems like a good idea and can be quite entertaining. Clearly i am not alone in this.
I can take or leave the boob thread really as i think most can. Those of us that like to shoot the crack and make nonsense jokes to pass the time will find a way regardless of topic or content. It is just our nature boobs or no boobs we are just a bunch of boobs.
Kinda on topic but off topic. Growing up one of my best friends nickname was Booby. Can anyone guess why? Of course you can. He was very overweight and clearly had a huge set of man boobies. I imagine many these days and on this forum would take issue with such blatant hazing and bullying. Kinda a shame as Booby really liked being called Booby. As we grew up and had to get jobs so forth and so on it was not to his liking to be called John as everyone friends and family had called him Boob his whole life through. And yes he liked it and no it did no stigmatise him.
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LongAgo
Trad climber
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Jun 12, 2013 - 07:24pm PT
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Lessons from Other Forums
The Bigger Picture
This thread is mostly dealing with nudity on Supertopo but of course as some posters have noted, the issue is only one among several which may offend the young, medium or old, male or female of whatever ethnicity or political persuasion. Perhaps a bigger issue worth addressing is how do other forums deal with respect and offense? After all, nudity is but one of many issues forum sponsors may have to address. Others include excessive commercial pumping, name calling, profanity, unwelcome sexual advances via private connections between forum members to name just a few. Chris M. is hardly alone in trying to tame things by stating his concern and policy. What can we and he learn from how what offends is handled elsewhere?
Water Cooler Example
Perhaps some posters here belong to other forums and have their own thoughts on pros and cons of methods for handling potentially offensive posting. Here’s my example: I belong to a writer’s site called Water Cooler. It’s a forum which has to be very sensitive to what is said and how since the subject itself is expression in all its forms, covering hot button political issues, personal revelations ranging from the noble to base, and sexuality in all its stripes in a section or board termed “erotica.” WC sets out rules of the road and has several forum moderators who act on the rules, quite a bit beyond what one experiences on Supertopo. To use Rich Goldstone’s analogy on this thread, the house owner doesn’t just put a notice on the door alerting people to the no shoes request, but can eject violators. Here is the explicit warning on Water Cooler:
“… abuse or disrespect of any member via private message or rep point comment isn't tolerated, and if reported or discovered, will result in administrative intervention -- which may range from disabling your access to those particular features, and /or banning.” Wow, a bit more than a nicely worded request.
The explanation for this action uses another in-my-house analogy:
“Try to look at it like this: Say you went to a huge yard party, and some of the guests were single, and a bunch of them were friends, but a bunch more were total strangers, and some guests were married, and some brought kids --BUT a few people got a bit wild and thought it would be fun to take off all their clothes and dance on the furniture, and the host said, ‘err, hang on, folks. Not that kind of party, so please put your pants back on; in the meantime, does anyone want to volunteer to run the grill?’ That's what we have mods and admin for.”
Here’s how Water Cooler handles when two or more just can’t get along:
“If it happens that there's someone you just cannot get along with, and your blood pressure rises every time you see them post -- then use the ignore function. You can find the ignore feature in your User CP (User Control Panel), at the top left, in the dark blue menu bar. “
And on flame wars:
“There is little to no tolerance for people who start cursing each other out and essentially starting a flame war in chat. Want to get kicked out in a hurry? Yup, you gotcha. “
Then there is guidance about engaging forum moderators when they get on you:
“You may encounter some Ops who are more lenient than others on what they consider disrespectful and what they permit. C'est la vie. Get used to it. DON'T be disrespectful to them when they ask you to not do something by arguing. Ask for clarification, but don't argue. And for the love of whoever, don't be sarcastic, hyperbolic or snarky to the op when they ask you to stop doing something. That WILL get you kicked out for being disrespectful.”
Too Controlling?
We all certainly enjoy the freewheeling nature of Supertopo and might think it would be too controlling if it came closer to Water Cooler. Interestingly, control at WC doesn’t restrict a lot of what one might think would be restricted. For example, with respect to “forbidden words” here is the policy:
“ON LANGUAGE - You might notice that this board doesn't currently out curse words. That's deliberate. This is a writer's board; we certainly should each have the minimal control necessary over our own language to know how civilized adults speak in public. We strongly urge you to use that knowledge and control. Different rooms may have a different tolerance level for salty language. If in doubt, choose a different word. Otherwise, prepare yourself to have your post deleted, or to be asked to edit your post. Our intention in turning off the profanity censor was never to make profanity more widely exploited. Quite the opposite: the intention was to throw the onus of responsibility for your language back into your very own laps. When and if you choose to curse, please consider your words and choose them deliberately and with great care. Excruciating care, in fact. There may well be that rare occasion when a carefully chosen curse word is both effective and appropriate. Please don't attempt to exploit that.”
How does Water Cooler handle sexuality? Again, not so much by forbidding things sexual in nature but guiding how they are expressed:
“About overt sexual conversations: We have members who are under the age of 21 and we welcome these members in chat. However, because of this, it is necessary to keep things as PG as possible. PG-13 is tolerated for short periods of time, and innuendo is often funny. Just don't overdo it. If you write erotica and want to discuss work, that's fine, just keep it clean and professional. Pasting lines out of your WIP to get advice on a particularly steamy scene is best done in your own room. You can type /join #aroomname to create a room to discuss these issues.”
So, there’s guidance for open forums and a place to go full bore with the explicit. I should add, while pictures are not common, there are many book covers featured which have nudes or semi-nudes.
Finally, with the issue of derogatory language, whether sexual or otherwise, Water Cooler policy goes like so:
“About Slang Derrogatives: If you want to say something is stupid, say it's stupid. Don't call it gay. Don't call it retarded. Don't call it <substitute your favorite label here> It's offensive. End of story.”
Conclusion
So, WC tolerates explicit terms and matters sexual but not derogatory or demeaning language. It is explicit in its rules and has moderators to enforce them. Within this structure, lots edgy, controversial, profane and explicit gets posted as discussion, disagreement, criticism, rants or works in progress, and there is plenty of hard hitting discussion.
My conclusion: more structure and rules may or may not diminish Supertopo depending on the guiding hands of moderators, but would require a more formal structure and more intensive management than Supertopo now has. Probably, such structure and management is the last thing Chris M. or posters want to consider, but may be the eventual avenue should too much become offensive to too many.
Tom Higgins
LongAgo
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Avery
climber
NZ
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Oct 17, 2014 - 04:56pm PT
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It's a pity Chris, that you don't show the same diligence towards bullying.
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Norton
Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
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Oct 17, 2014 - 05:10pm PT
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It's a pity Chris, that you don't show the same diligence towards bullying.
betting banned, warned, or called out for it depends on your climbing status, lots of free passes here
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Oct 17, 2014 - 05:49pm PT
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It's a pity Chris, that you don't show the same diligence towards bullying.
This. Plus:
The constant actions of certain individuals who attempt to derail every climbing related post by taking it off topic with their political/theological/personal vendetta, agendas.
While I appreciate bumping this policy so it remains a constant, there are a lot of issues here causing more harm to the forum then nudity.
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Avery
climber
NZ
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Oct 17, 2014 - 06:06pm PT
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Thanks Vegasclimber, Norton, I heartily concur.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
Bishop,CA
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Oct 17, 2014 - 06:10pm PT
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^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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Oct 17, 2014 - 07:52pm PT
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I guess we'll have to be content with Stone Hijabs.
ISIS wins.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Oct 17, 2014 - 08:36pm PT
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I guess we'll have to be content with Stone Hijabs.
Which may be a bit of a joke, but does lead to the question: If Dean Bullwinkle can post pictures of naked women, why can't you or I?
Edit:
When I clicked back to the forum page after posting the above, there was a new ad on the sidebar. Seems to fit right in with the "no boobs" policy.
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hossjulia
Trad climber
Carson City, NV
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Oct 17, 2014 - 09:33pm PT
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Chris, fer chris sake ban some of these perverts, it's disgusting and one reason I'm not on here much.
It's not the pictures, so much, it's the subtle(and not so subtle)misogyny displayed by a few.
Email me if you need a name. I bet you don't.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Oct 17, 2014 - 09:40pm PT
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Malemute writes:
"If I was an advertiser, I'd have nothing to do with supertopo
because of the high numbers of as#@&%es."
as#@&%es spend money too.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Oct 17, 2014 - 09:41pm PT
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People still doin this?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Oct 17, 2014 - 09:59pm PT
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You should spend your time at work WORKING, instead of horsing around on here. That way you won't have to worry about NSFW.
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okie
Trad climber
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Oct 18, 2014 - 08:20am PT
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Misogynist? Man, I hate women who use big words I don't understand. :)
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nah000
climber
canuckistan
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Oct 18, 2014 - 08:50am PT
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huh.
i must be spending time in the wrong threads... or right, depending on perspective.
Vegasclimber wrote: "The constant actions of certain individuals who attempt to derail every climbing related post by taking it off topic with their political/theological/personal vendetta, agendas."
sure there's some bull sh#t in some of the long-running, tom-and-jerry-style politico threads... that said the above quote, from my experience, seems pretty exaggerated...
if you guys/gals are serious about what you are saying you should post examples of the nude pictures, bullying, misogyny, etc. you say this board is filled with.
i frankly haven't seen near the level of issue that y'all are complaining about. [for example, it's been months, possibly years since i've seen any nudity that i would consider objectionable...]
considering supertopo is a few wo/man show who've intentionally chosen to go down a road of less moderation, i'd say this board is pretty good at killing the truly offensive. sure some sh#t slips through the gate. relatively speaking though it seems, ime, to be pretty successful.
but hey maybe i'm not on the threads that are filled with all of these issues...
if that's the case, i'd appreciate if you'd take the time to enlighten me...
because ultimately, accusations and complaints lacking specifics are irrelevant...
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Oct 18, 2014 - 08:58am PT
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Chaz....Assholes spend money to...LOL
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Muk
Boulder climber
Black Hills of South Dakota
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Oct 21, 2014 - 07:59am PT
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Hmmm... comparing bare breasts and slandering the president.... well he is sort of a boob, so i'm with Kenny... let's prohibit both ;)
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