Motorcycle takes out two bicyclists on Mulholland Dr.

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Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Topic Author's Original Post - May 1, 2013 - 11:42am PT
Would suck to be the guy on the motorcycle, goes viral!

Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
May 1, 2013 - 11:44am PT
at least the guy on the motorcycle was kind enough to let them fall on him
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
May 1, 2013 - 11:50am PT
Goddamn bicycles. Always in the way.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
May 1, 2013 - 11:56am PT
That is bizarre.

Clear highway, no other traffic, perfect visibility... How could he not have seen the cyclists? How, with the entire highway available to him, could he not have avoided them?
JLP

Social climber
The internet
May 1, 2013 - 12:04pm PT
So there's a couple shots of this chick's ass, the rest was a blur.
ROtotheC

Trad climber
Denver, CO
May 1, 2013 - 12:08pm PT
What is up with that stretch of road??? Anyone check out the videos that come up after that first one. Clip after clip of people laying down their bikes on that curve. Going over the handlebars, catching on fire, etc. And why is someone always filming right there?
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
May 1, 2013 - 12:09pm PT
The first bicyclist's mechanism of injury demonstrates the value in wearing a helmet.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
May 1, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
There are a lot of distractions on Mulholland Drive and a fair number of video cameras are active in that region, on any given day....



Nawmean?

DMT

ps. that ass chick is SO L.A.!
Tami

Social climber
Canada
May 1, 2013 - 12:19pm PT
Cyclist #1 fell backwards & the first thing to strike the ground was his head. Why was nobody there holding him in c-spine ?
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Topic Author's Reply - May 1, 2013 - 12:29pm PT
Off-duty plumber?

Credit: Jon Beck
Some Random Guy

climber
Under a Little Pink Umbrella
May 1, 2013 - 12:30pm PT
"nice part is......nothing is bleeding terribly"

yeah except for all the internal bleeding that you cannot see!

Why was nobody there holding him in c-spine ?

nobody there prolly knows anything about emergency response to a trauma victim. at least the paramedic was holding him in c-spine......after he had gotten up and walked across the road.

yeah i was a little fixated on that ass crack at first :)
Tami

Social climber
Canada
May 1, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
SRG - YEah, I saw that ambulance-girl was holding him in c-spine..........while buddy was SITTING !!!!!

Huh??!!?!?


That guy had at least a gr1 or gr2 concussion...........


michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
May 1, 2013 - 12:33pm PT
That is bizarre.

Clear highway, no other traffic, perfect visibility... How could he not have seen the cyclists? How, with the entire highway available to him, could he not have avoided them?

Target Fixation.


Try riding a bicycle and look around. Keep a perfect line. Good luck!


Sucks for the bicyclists, also sucks for the motorcyclist, sh#t happens. That's what insurance is for. They knew Mulholland was a speed zone.
Some Random Guy

climber
Under a Little Pink Umbrella
May 1, 2013 - 12:39pm PT
I saw that ambulance-girl was holding him in c-spine..........while buddy was SITTING !!!!!
how did she get certified. hahahaha!

"he's he's he's he's alight.....he's conscious.......he's moving......."


good prognosis
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
May 1, 2013 - 12:39pm PT
If someone who's injured wants to sit up or do whatever, there's not much you can do about it.
You can say, "you should stay still, you may have a spine injury" but...

Holding someone who's injured when they don't want to be held or crowded may result in the good old fight part of the fight or flee reflex.
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
May 1, 2013 - 12:40pm PT
Well, always wear a proper helmet when riding. His saved his life.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
May 1, 2013 - 12:43pm PT
My daughter's room mate is an EMT out of UCLA and I'm pretty sure he covers Mulholland Dr. He's also a med student. I'd love to know his thoughts about this lol.

DMT
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
May 1, 2013 - 12:43pm PT
Yikes. Maybe it's a good thing I haven't had time to get out on my road bike. Always was mindful of cars. Now I'll have to be paranoid about bikes too, especially the hordes who loiter around the Rock Store.
They knew Mulholland was a speed zone.
Yes. How dare those cyclists believe they could use the roads without someone crashing into them.
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
May 1, 2013 - 12:49pm PT
Apparently no real injuries other than bumps and bruises out of this accident. Lucky!
rockermike

Trad climber
Berkeley
May 1, 2013 - 12:50pm PT
I have a buddy, young man, motorcycle nut. Always speeding around at twice the limit. But one time he was just going to the store to get diapers for his newborn daughter, and he's stopped at a stop sign, and someone in a Honda plows into him from behind. he flies up and back, bounces off the windshield and lands some distance behind the car. (not unlike this accident) He thought he was alright, got up and walked home, went to doctor next day. Even doctor checked him out as OK. But now a year later he is supper weak on the left side, both leg and arm. Has to walk with a cane. Lost his job. Really sad situation. I don't know what the legal/financial situation is but I suspect he probably already settled for something way too low.
Some Random Guy

climber
Under a Little Pink Umbrella
May 1, 2013 - 12:50pm PT
If someone who's injured wants to sit up or do whatever, there's not much you can do about it.
You can say, "you should stay still, you may have a spine injury" but...

Holding someone who's injured when they don't want to be held or crowded may result in the good old fight part of the fight or flee reflex.

yeah totally correct. i've been in a situation where i tried to help a trauma victim and they wouldn't listen at all. i tried to explain that it is in there best interest to not move until the paramedics arrived and took over. no bueno. it all boils down to legal consent. oh well, i tried.....


not to mention that you could have a subdural hematoma going on. you may seem fine right after, maybe a slight headache, but later that day when you go to bed you may never wake up. the pressure in your skull keeps slowly rising so much so that eventually it kills you. it has happened to many a people :(
rectorsquid

climber
Lake Tahoe
May 1, 2013 - 01:05pm PT
I was playing volleyball with a guy who took a fall on concrete. He got up, even though we all told him to sit until we could asses his condition, and ran into a fence post because he was so messed up from the fall. He still insisted that he was ok and then we find out later that he drove to the ER instead of going home. The guy was smart enough to know he was hurt but way to egotistical (and stupid) to admit it to anyone there. I've hear the phrase "...died from embarrassment" but dying to avoid embarrassment? Sheesh.

That helmet sure did save that bike-riders life. A fall from three or four feet onto the pavement on his head could not have ended well without it.

Dave
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
May 1, 2013 - 01:45pm PT

They knew Mulholland was a speed zone.
Yes. How dare those cyclists believe they could use the roads without someone crashing into them.


Well you wouldn't wear all red yelling blood, in an all crip neighborhood.
Jeremy Ross

Gym climber
May 1, 2013 - 01:53pm PT
Clear highway, no other traffic, perfect visibility... How could he not have seen the cyclists? How, with the entire highway available to him, could he not have avoided them?


You can see him start to sit up in the apex. To me this looks like he felt he couldn't hold the lean angle with the speed he had and felt he had to sit up. I may be being picky but it kinda looks like he apexed too early and was on the throttle too soon (I can't get sound so don't know!). Just my 2 cents, I'm sure he saw the bicyclists but instead of lean harder he sat up, expanding his turn radius.


-JR
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 1, 2013 - 01:55pm PT
yur Hollywood stuntman goes through worse beatings voluntarily..
NotIt

Trad climber
SF, CA
May 1, 2013 - 02:24pm PT
Jeremy Ross, I think you've got it.

Inexperienced rider mistake, and usually ends way worse than this: don't have the lean to keep your turn radius, freak out that you don't have enough speed to increase your lean, and your (very instinctual) defense mechanism) is to let off the throttle or hit the brakes.

Sucks that he involved others in it.
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
May 1, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
Well you wouldn't wear all red yelling blood, in an all crip neighborhood.

Yeah, because those two activities are pretty identical.
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
May 1, 2013 - 03:02pm PT
Road biking scares the crap out of me. I frequently feel more secure on run out terrain that I have on a bike on the side of a highway.
Jeremy Ross

Gym climber
May 1, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
Yeah, NotIt I like your explanation. Illustrates the instincual nature of inexperience to sit up like he did and freeze. I know I've done it before lol! Sit up, eyes wide and just saying "oh sh#t oh sh#t oh sh#t Im going to run out of road oh sh#t....whew I almost ran out of road" lol. I'd like to think I wouldn't do that anymore, but I've been wrong before....

I'm sure the motorcyclist is thinking back on it and concluding that a low side would have been a better outcome, but I'm sure a more experienced rider would have avoided any trouble.



-JR
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
May 1, 2013 - 05:09pm PT
I know I've done it before lol! Sit up, eyes wide and just saying "oh sh#t oh sh#t oh sh#t Im going to run out of road oh sh#t....whew I almost ran out of road"

I've done it before, too. Except for the "whew I almost ran out of road" part. I got to the "oh sh#t oh sh#t oh shit" part, and then broke a lot of bones. (happened on a bicycle, not a motorcycle, but the principle is the same)

But from the look of the video, he didn't even try to avoid the cyclist.
brennahm

Trad climber
Denver, CO
May 1, 2013 - 05:27pm PT
Someone nailed it early with target fixation.

As an avid motorcyclist myself...that guy on the SV should be taken to court and whipped.
treez

Trad climber
99827
May 1, 2013 - 06:05pm PT
^^^^^^^^

I hear "look where you want to turn" a lot.

The way I ride my motorcycle, the cyclists would have been passing me.
moacman

Trad climber
Montuckyian Via Canada Eh!
May 1, 2013 - 06:16pm PT
Dumb azzz........

Stevo
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 1, 2013 - 06:44pm PT
Y'all think 'LA' stands for something other than Lotsa Azzholes?

I quit riding my road bike around here.
I only feel marginally safer in my F150.
JLP

Social climber
The internet
May 1, 2013 - 07:17pm PT
I've carefully analyzed the sound and video.

He got distracted by the woman's ass and crashed.

He's staring right at her position, making no effort to turn or change his control until it's way too late.

Botching a turn looks way different.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
May 1, 2013 - 07:38pm PT
A cyclist was killed this morning here in Seattle, on the route I ride to work every morning. From the reports available, and from knowing the intersection where it happened, it looks likely that it was his own fault, but we'll have to wait and see. (News report here: http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2020898284_bikefatalxml.html);

Be careful out there.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
May 1, 2013 - 09:34pm PT
I wonder how much experience that mc rider had. Wouldn't it have been weird if the truck hauling the bike crashed into a bunch of mc riders on the way to the shop?

I spent quite a bit of time running on Mulholland, always facing traffic.



rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
May 1, 2013 - 10:40pm PT
He's alright....Yeah right...That poser douche on the motor scooter needs a road side beat down....
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
May 1, 2013 - 10:44pm PT
SV650s are cool bikes.

I used to have a Hawk GT, a very similar bike. I wish I never sold it.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
May 1, 2013 - 10:48pm PT
Oh christ...! Now this is gonna turn into a bitchin motor scooter thread....
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
May 1, 2013 - 10:51pm PT
Oh christ...! Now this is gonna turn into a bitchin motor scooter thread....

Better than a ghey road bike thread.
hossjulia

Trad climber
Where the Hoback and the mighty Snake River meet
May 1, 2013 - 11:51pm PT
I'd be really surprised if he did not have compression fractures in his lumbar and/or cervical vertebrae. Whiplash and a head injury for sure. Did you hear him right after the crash? That type of sound coming from a man usually means bad sh#t.

I've seen & packaged this type of fall in terrain parks.

1. Whiplash, plus un know possible internals from impact. Hard to tell what speed motorcyclist was going at point of impact, 25, 35 mph?
2. head smacks ground and compresses neck
3. legs come up and compress/stretch lower spine rather violently

yeah, bystanders were way clueless. Gave me goosebumps to see him walk. WTF, why did no one dial 911 immediately? In video you can hear this.

What can U do? Be VERY assertive that he needs to lie still and prone. Do you want to die? Works pretty good. Go over ALL possible outcomes, including death from a ruptured spleen or head injury and paralyzes from spinal cord injury. Don't sugar coat anything. Scare the crap out of them. Great way to hold C spine is with your knees. That way your hands are free to use phone, check vitals, control bleeding or grab flailing arms. You can also do chest compressions if it comes to that.

Had a guy ski/walk into patrol room after taking a tomahawk type fall on upper mountain (his words). Said his back hurt pretty bad. When he sat on edge of cot, I watched his face turn grey and he stood right back up. I palpated his back and he had point tenderness mid spine. I asked the normal questions about numbness and tingling. I thought he was going to faint. Turns out he was a PT and all 4 extremities were on fire. He knew what that meant. Had to calm him down, C collar and backboard him standing. Rest of patrol was on sweep. I lowered him to floor and called for an ambulance. He had fully fractured his T5, one wrong move........
Leggs

Sport climber
Is this a trick question?
May 1, 2013 - 11:54pm PT
My post/opinion from my FB page when I first saw this video clip ...

Something just doesn't seem right about all this... esp the motorcyclist, clearly hugging the center line, THEN plowing into a GROUP of riders in the bike lane...
I'm not sure what to think ... Wear a helmet, of course.
Was this "staged" in some way... I don't know. It just doesn't make sense why the guy on the motorcycle would direct his bike into the path of cyclists when he had full clearance. I make this statement having driven up and down Mt. Lemmon hundreds of times, where cyclists and motorcycles have gotten along fairly well.


My 2 cents.

Carry on.
Tami

Social climber
Canada
May 2, 2013 - 12:25am PT
hossj THANKYOU FOR THAT POST !!!!
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
May 2, 2013 - 12:31am PT
I know a bicycle rider - a real hard ass bicycle rider, that got his knee clipped by a motorcyclist up there, and he's a motorcyclist himself - an old hard ass dirt guy - lots of broken bones and all from his dirt days. I wonder what went through his mind when it happened - what really went through there. He probaly wished he had about a 1000 cc.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 2, 2013 - 12:54am PT
Before Bruce Hawkins became a Yosemite hardman he was living in New Mexico.
One day he was out soloing and took a grounder. It hurt but he got up and
walked the half mile back down the mountain to his cabin. The next day he
was really hurting but he got into the back seat of a VW Bug and was
driven to Seattle! Did I mention that Bruce was a good 6'-2"? That
took two days. The day after he got to Seattle he walked into the public
health hospital there and, yup, he had a couple of fractured vertebrae!

It's always better to be lucky than good.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
May 2, 2013 - 01:27am PT
He musta needed time to think.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
May 2, 2013 - 08:03am PT
true dat....
can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
May 2, 2013 - 08:19am PT
I've ridden most of the good mountain road rides in the S. Cal area. What this video shows is exactly why I stay away from certain roads on the weekends, Mulholland being one of them.

On a similar note, a friend of mine was riding on the Angeles Crest Hwy and had the same thing happen to him. While these two riders were lucky enough to walk away, he wasn't due to a shattered pelvis.


coastal_climber

Trad climber
north island
May 2, 2013 - 08:43am PT
Credit: coastal_climber

Riding stoke!
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
May 2, 2013 - 04:13pm PT
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/psychiatrist-pleads-guilty-sabotaging-trails
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
May 2, 2013 - 05:32pm PT
There are definitely certain rides I have not ridden because of traffic issues. ACH is one of them, despite it's popularity. I just don't put that much faith in drivers on terrain like that: narrow roads, small or no shoulder, sharp corners. No thanks. I've ridden Mulholland lots of times though, always on weekends, and never felt at risk. Perhaps that feeling of safety was illusory.
10b4me

Ice climber
Happy Boulders
May 2, 2013 - 06:09pm PT
I used to ride ACH. I would hit it early(6amish) on a saturday morning, but no more. Too many crazy drivers(mostly in cars)
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
May 2, 2013 - 06:34pm PT
If they'd close Angeles Crest Highway, it'd be safe for bicycles.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
May 2, 2013 - 07:11pm PT

Psychiatrist with a thing against mountain bikes.

Thread drift, but it reminds me of that guy in Walnut Creek or nearby that would rant endlessly on the mountain bike newsgroup BITD. He was convinced that mountain bikes were evil. Dude had a screw loose. I thought for sure that article was going to be about him, I think he was a psychiatrist also. I don't recall his name, but I don't think it's the same guy as the one in TGT's link.
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
May 2, 2013 - 08:21pm PT
Hossj - and even if the bicyclist does not have breaks, it is likely that he has damaged the disks and the cushioning cells, which will make those joints permanently more vulnerable.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
May 7, 2013 - 11:08am PT
Kos, that was the infamous Mike Vandeman.
bhilden

Trad climber
Mountain View, CA
May 7, 2013 - 11:53am PT
The location of this incident is the famous "Rock Store" climb on Mullholland Drive in the Santa Monica mountains just north of LA.
On weekends there can be hundreds of motorcycles parked at the Rock Store which is at the bottom of the climb. Hey, Jay Leno even rides it regularly.

The exact spot on the climb in the video is the last hairpin turn as you head uphill from the southeast. The last time I rode it, with the Cannondale Pro Cycling Team in January, somebody was just finishing up filming a TV commercial at that exact same location.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 7, 2013 - 11:54am PT
http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/Lane-Splitting-Divides-Nevada-Drivers--206355601.html


Heres the WORST idea of legislation ive seen in this state yet..
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
May 7, 2013 - 12:01pm PT
If that's the worst legislation you've ever seen I guess maybe Nevada IS the utopia you claim :-D

But lane splitting IS pretty f*#king stupid, at a glance. I wonder what the reality is - in actual accident rates and who's at fault. Driving a big monster van I worry I'll never even see the motorcyclist I run over. Had 3 of them split my lane on the bay bridge last week - saw two of them the third one I dit not see until he passed me.

It seems to me so long as an auto--driver is using her signals and looking for normal lane changing hazards, if a motorcycle splits a lane and gets hit by a transitioning car, the motorcycle driver should be at fault.

DMT
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 7, 2013 - 12:06pm PT
I remember when people who would spend that much $$ on a bicycle were fit.

Seems like the more expensive the bike, the bigger the gut on those folks.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Topic Author's Reply - May 7, 2013 - 01:01pm PT
The most dangerous situation when splitting is when there is room for a car to change lanes. They will pull over on you even when you are not splitting lanes. I split for years on the 91 freeway in LA/OC county. Not dangerous if done sanely.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
May 7, 2013 - 01:14pm PT
I sold my bike last summer to a guy that did really minimal restoration work on it.

Finished result.

68-R69S
68-R69S
Credit: TGT

Now it's in a museum in New York

That makes me really feel old!

Still riding an 80's vintage Schwinn though

Edit:
Glen Curtis Museum in Hammondsport NY.
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