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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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at least the guy on the motorcycle was kind enough to let them fall on him
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Goddamn bicycles. Always in the way.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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That is bizarre.
Clear highway, no other traffic, perfect visibility... How could he not have seen the cyclists? How, with the entire highway available to him, could he not have avoided them?
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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So there's a couple shots of this chick's ass, the rest was a blur.
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ROtotheC
Trad climber
Denver, CO
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What is up with that stretch of road??? Anyone check out the videos that come up after that first one. Clip after clip of people laying down their bikes on that curve. Going over the handlebars, catching on fire, etc. And why is someone always filming right there?
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Topic Author's Reply - May 1, 2013 - 12:29pm PT
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Off-duty plumber?
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Some Random Guy
climber
Under a Little Pink Umbrella
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"nice part is......nothing is bleeding terribly"
yeah except for all the internal bleeding that you cannot see!
Why was nobody there holding him in c-spine ?
nobody there prolly knows anything about emergency response to a trauma victim. at least the paramedic was holding him in c-spine......after he had gotten up and walked across the road.
yeah i was a little fixated on that ass crack at first :)
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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That is bizarre.
Clear highway, no other traffic, perfect visibility... How could he not have seen the cyclists? How, with the entire highway available to him, could he not have avoided them?
Target Fixation.
Try riding a bicycle and look around. Keep a perfect line. Good luck!
Sucks for the bicyclists, also sucks for the motorcyclist, sh#t happens. That's what insurance is for. They knew Mulholland was a speed zone.
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Some Random Guy
climber
Under a Little Pink Umbrella
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I saw that ambulance-girl was holding him in c-spine..........while buddy was SITTING !!!!! how did she get certified. hahahaha!
"he's he's he's he's alight.....he's conscious.......he's moving......."
good prognosis
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Well, always wear a proper helmet when riding. His saved his life.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Yikes. Maybe it's a good thing I haven't had time to get out on my road bike. Always was mindful of cars. Now I'll have to be paranoid about bikes too, especially the hordes who loiter around the Rock Store.
They knew Mulholland was a speed zone. Yes. How dare those cyclists believe they could use the roads without someone crashing into them.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apparently no real injuries other than bumps and bruises out of this accident. Lucky!
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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I have a buddy, young man, motorcycle nut. Always speeding around at twice the limit. But one time he was just going to the store to get diapers for his newborn daughter, and he's stopped at a stop sign, and someone in a Honda plows into him from behind. he flies up and back, bounces off the windshield and lands some distance behind the car. (not unlike this accident) He thought he was alright, got up and walked home, went to doctor next day. Even doctor checked him out as OK. But now a year later he is supper weak on the left side, both leg and arm. Has to walk with a cane. Lost his job. Really sad situation. I don't know what the legal/financial situation is but I suspect he probably already settled for something way too low.
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Some Random Guy
climber
Under a Little Pink Umbrella
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If someone who's injured wants to sit up or do whatever, there's not much you can do about it.
You can say, "you should stay still, you may have a spine injury" but...
Holding someone who's injured when they don't want to be held or crowded may result in the good old fight part of the fight or flee reflex.
yeah totally correct. i've been in a situation where i tried to help a trauma victim and they wouldn't listen at all. i tried to explain that it is in there best interest to not move until the paramedics arrived and took over. no bueno. it all boils down to legal consent. oh well, i tried.....
not to mention that you could have a subdural hematoma going on. you may seem fine right after, maybe a slight headache, but later that day when you go to bed you may never wake up. the pressure in your skull keeps slowly rising so much so that eventually it kills you. it has happened to many a people :(
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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I was playing volleyball with a guy who took a fall on concrete. He got up, even though we all told him to sit until we could asses his condition, and ran into a fence post because he was so messed up from the fall. He still insisted that he was ok and then we find out later that he drove to the ER instead of going home. The guy was smart enough to know he was hurt but way to egotistical (and stupid) to admit it to anyone there. I've hear the phrase "...died from embarrassment" but dying to avoid embarrassment? Sheesh.
That helmet sure did save that bike-riders life. A fall from three or four feet onto the pavement on his head could not have ended well without it.
Dave
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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They knew Mulholland was a speed zone. Yes. How dare those cyclists believe they could use the roads without someone crashing into them.
Well you wouldn't wear all red yelling blood, in an all crip neighborhood.
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NotIt
Trad climber
SF, CA
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Jeremy Ross, I think you've got it.
Inexperienced rider mistake, and usually ends way worse than this: don't have the lean to keep your turn radius, freak out that you don't have enough speed to increase your lean, and your (very instinctual) defense mechanism) is to let off the throttle or hit the brakes.
Sucks that he involved others in it.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Well you wouldn't wear all red yelling blood, in an all crip neighborhood.
Yeah, because those two activities are pretty identical.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Road biking scares the crap out of me. I frequently feel more secure on run out terrain that I have on a bike on the side of a highway.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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I know I've done it before lol! Sit up, eyes wide and just saying "oh sh#t oh sh#t oh sh#t Im going to run out of road oh sh#t....whew I almost ran out of road"
I've done it before, too. Except for the "whew I almost ran out of road" part. I got to the "oh sh#t oh sh#t oh shit" part, and then broke a lot of bones. (happened on a bicycle, not a motorcycle, but the principle is the same)
But from the look of the video, he didn't even try to avoid the cyclist.
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brennahm
Trad climber
Denver, CO
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Someone nailed it early with target fixation.
As an avid motorcyclist myself...that guy on the SV should be taken to court and whipped.
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moacman
Trad climber
Montuckyian Via Canada Eh!
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Dumb azzz........
Stevo
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Y'all think 'LA' stands for something other than Lotsa Azzholes?
I quit riding my road bike around here.
I only feel marginally safer in my F150.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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I've carefully analyzed the sound and video.
He got distracted by the woman's ass and crashed.
He's staring right at her position, making no effort to turn or change his control until it's way too late.
Botching a turn looks way different.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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A cyclist was killed this morning here in Seattle, on the route I ride to work every morning. From the reports available, and from knowing the intersection where it happened, it looks likely that it was his own fault, but we'll have to wait and see. (News report here: http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2020898284_bikefatalxml.html);
Be careful out there.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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I wonder how much experience that mc rider had. Wouldn't it have been weird if the truck hauling the bike crashed into a bunch of mc riders on the way to the shop?
I spent quite a bit of time running on Mulholland, always facing traffic.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Oh christ...! Now this is gonna turn into a bitchin motor scooter thread....
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hossjulia
Trad climber
Where the Hoback and the mighty Snake River meet
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I'd be really surprised if he did not have compression fractures in his lumbar and/or cervical vertebrae. Whiplash and a head injury for sure. Did you hear him right after the crash? That type of sound coming from a man usually means bad sh#t.
I've seen & packaged this type of fall in terrain parks.
1. Whiplash, plus un know possible internals from impact. Hard to tell what speed motorcyclist was going at point of impact, 25, 35 mph?
2. head smacks ground and compresses neck
3. legs come up and compress/stretch lower spine rather violently
yeah, bystanders were way clueless. Gave me goosebumps to see him walk. WTF, why did no one dial 911 immediately? In video you can hear this.
What can U do? Be VERY assertive that he needs to lie still and prone. Do you want to die? Works pretty good. Go over ALL possible outcomes, including death from a ruptured spleen or head injury and paralyzes from spinal cord injury. Don't sugar coat anything. Scare the crap out of them. Great way to hold C spine is with your knees. That way your hands are free to use phone, check vitals, control bleeding or grab flailing arms. You can also do chest compressions if it comes to that.
Had a guy ski/walk into patrol room after taking a tomahawk type fall on upper mountain (his words). Said his back hurt pretty bad. When he sat on edge of cot, I watched his face turn grey and he stood right back up. I palpated his back and he had point tenderness mid spine. I asked the normal questions about numbness and tingling. I thought he was going to faint. Turns out he was a PT and all 4 extremities were on fire. He knew what that meant. Had to calm him down, C collar and backboard him standing. Rest of patrol was on sweep. I lowered him to floor and called for an ambulance. He had fully fractured his T5, one wrong move........
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Leggs
Sport climber
Is this a trick question?
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My post/opinion from my FB page when I first saw this video clip ...
Something just doesn't seem right about all this... esp the motorcyclist, clearly hugging the center line, THEN plowing into a GROUP of riders in the bike lane...
I'm not sure what to think ... Wear a helmet, of course.
Was this "staged" in some way... I don't know. It just doesn't make sense why the guy on the motorcycle would direct his bike into the path of cyclists when he had full clearance. I make this statement having driven up and down Mt. Lemmon hundreds of times, where cyclists and motorcycles have gotten along fairly well.
My 2 cents.
Carry on.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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I know a bicycle rider - a real hard ass bicycle rider, that got his knee clipped by a motorcyclist up there, and he's a motorcyclist himself - an old hard ass dirt guy - lots of broken bones and all from his dirt days. I wonder what went through his mind when it happened - what really went through there. He probaly wished he had about a 1000 cc.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Before Bruce Hawkins became a Yosemite hardman he was living in New Mexico.
One day he was out soloing and took a grounder. It hurt but he got up and
walked the half mile back down the mountain to his cabin. The next day he
was really hurting but he got into the back seat of a VW Bug and was
driven to Seattle! Did I mention that Bruce was a good 6'-2"? That
took two days. The day after he got to Seattle he walked into the public
health hospital there and, yup, he had a couple of fractured vertebrae!
It's always better to be lucky than good.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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He musta needed time to think.
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can't say
Social climber
Pasadena CA
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I've ridden most of the good mountain road rides in the S. Cal area. What this video shows is exactly why I stay away from certain roads on the weekends, Mulholland being one of them.
On a similar note, a friend of mine was riding on the Angeles Crest Hwy and had the same thing happen to him. While these two riders were lucky enough to walk away, he wasn't due to a shattered pelvis.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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There are definitely certain rides I have not ridden because of traffic issues. ACH is one of them, despite it's popularity. I just don't put that much faith in drivers on terrain like that: narrow roads, small or no shoulder, sharp corners. No thanks. I've ridden Mulholland lots of times though, always on weekends, and never felt at risk. Perhaps that feeling of safety was illusory.
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10b4me
Ice climber
Happy Boulders
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I used to ride ACH. I would hit it early(6amish) on a saturday morning, but no more. Too many crazy drivers(mostly in cars)
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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If they'd close Angeles Crest Highway, it'd be safe for bicycles.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Hossj - and even if the bicyclist does not have breaks, it is likely that he has damaged the disks and the cushioning cells, which will make those joints permanently more vulnerable.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Kos, that was the infamous Mike Vandeman.
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bhilden
Trad climber
Mountain View, CA
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The location of this incident is the famous "Rock Store" climb on Mullholland Drive in the Santa Monica mountains just north of LA.
On weekends there can be hundreds of motorcycles parked at the Rock Store which is at the bottom of the climb. Hey, Jay Leno even rides it regularly.
The exact spot on the climb in the video is the last hairpin turn as you head uphill from the southeast. The last time I rode it, with the Cannondale Pro Cycling Team in January, somebody was just finishing up filming a TV commercial at that exact same location.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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I remember when people who would spend that much $$ on a bicycle were fit.
Seems like the more expensive the bike, the bigger the gut on those folks.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Topic Author's Reply - May 7, 2013 - 01:01pm PT
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The most dangerous situation when splitting is when there is room for a car to change lanes. They will pull over on you even when you are not splitting lanes. I split for years on the 91 freeway in LA/OC county. Not dangerous if done sanely.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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I sold my bike last summer to a guy that did really minimal restoration work on it.
Finished result.
Now it's in a museum in New York
That makes me really feel old!
Still riding an 80's vintage Schwinn though
Edit:
Glen Curtis Museum in Hammondsport NY.
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