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Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
May 3, 2013 - 09:32am PT
The solution is that no one should be allowed on Everest without a Nepali guide. Problem solved. Everest is a tourist attraction, not a real mountaineering goal - except for the weirdos who want to set the guinness record for climbing it blindfolded with both hands tied behind their back, etc.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 3, 2013 - 09:34am PT
Ive heard many a person here on this site talk about how the Indians were robbed of their culture and lands here. In many ways that is 100% correct. And it is thought of as a rather shamefull aspect of the past. YET when it comes to some mountain that is a prized climb,,all is justified right!?? No matter the resulting ill affects on the indigenous people..Sound familiar?


And i assume that "mother-f#cking" is NOT something youd say to those that take the language a bit more literal eh?
orle

climber
Topic Author's Reply - May 3, 2013 - 09:52am PT
Thanks for the perspective, Jan.

--

Don Paul,

Everest is a tourist attraction, not a real mountaineering goal

I'm not so sure about that:





Stewart Johnson

climber
lake forest
May 3, 2013 - 10:25am PT
Thanks for your perspectives Orle and Jan TashiDelek.
Don't forget the Kangschung face where Sherpas don't go
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
May 3, 2013 - 10:42am PT
Listen, I've been coming here 21 years. I built with my own money a school for 396 Sherpa children. I paid for the education of three different Sherpa kids.

I brought my own helicopter here to do rescues for free for all Sherpas. The foreigners have to pay. So I am the last person who should be accused of not having a love for Sherpas.

I see!

So what he is saying is that he has paid them off, so he should be able to do whatever he wants.

By the way, any of you purchased a helicopter recently?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
May 3, 2013 - 10:47am PT
Being a Sherpa is probably safer than working in a meat packing plant in Alabama

Which says to me that you know nothing about either. Not to mention that if a person is injured in Alabama, they are covered by Work Comp. The Sherpa is SOL.

but then, since you haven't actually read any of the accounts, and are only posting on the basis of stereotypes and bias, why not?
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
May 3, 2013 - 10:56am PT
I need a Russ summary....
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
May 3, 2013 - 11:16am PT
Again, appreciation for your staying on with this, Jan...your commentary has conferred a great measure of scrutiny and understanding to the issue...
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
May 3, 2013 - 11:58am PT
Denis Urubko Wrote about it....

http://urubko.blogspot.com/2013/05/khumbu-wars.html

From the several years spent on expeditions, I have taken out firm belief what to solve any conflict on a route by means of force - is useless. Finally the innuendo will pour out in problems for both all) parties. To understand, who and as beginnings the first, who is «more to the right» and who was «guilty» will not turn out.
On the other hand, sherpas as I saw, often lose self-control, and the first rush in fight, begin aggression, catch at the weapon. So occurred IN ALL cases when I became the witness or the participant of oppositions between Nepaleses and persons of other nationalities.

Golden understanding of situation right here

All the rest is impregnated by money. About money as it is paradoxical will sound, group Moro-Steck-Griffit had been broken. Because behind the back of that sirdar, that has begun the conflict, there were uncountable dollars of commercial groups of clients, for which the line of cords was fixing. It (together with the aforesaid) has given the chance to develop the conflict. And in that plane, whence to pull out a situation became impossible. Hundreds pseudo-climbers which have paid money for road to top of the Everest, stood up for in one hundred sherpas, got a false idea offended.
It is a stick about two ends. In consciousness sherpas for a long time already there is a stereotype what exactly they and are the present climbers. On which favour crowds of the collectors, ready to pay money for possibility to become the first «…-ner», «the person with …», «the person without …» «…-sual», «… times in … days» depend. Yes let them! But while so occurs, all these pseudo-heroes should be in slavery at masters of the situation, sherpas. And to suffer any spittles and smiles behind the back. Thus, that in the person will smile so widely, the bank account of the client how much allows. Instead of will pay this - please! Always there will be another, ready to fork up.

And in two days, approaching to Base camp, near one of tents I have met two sherpas which were selflessly wetted, having stuck out genitalsin in front of group the foreigners in five meters from, by all kind showing winners. A pier, also what you to us can do?! One word - pigs.
coz

Gym climber
Belmont
May 3, 2013 - 01:08pm PT
Big Mtn's, at the moment... aren't my thing, - but - as a new route guy; I'd have to say...

"There's a lot of open space up there, (if you're the world's best), and if you want to send an FA, solo, or Alpine Style, it's like the Valley in the 70's.

If you're gonna run laps for time, on the Yak route, Spray huge about it: you should realize it's a circus; talk to the Chiefs; and make your way in peace.

EDIT, example....Han's and Yuji, seemed to do their deal on the Nose, with zero conflict... As did Alex and Han's.





Tami

Social climber
Canada
May 3, 2013 - 02:14pm PT
Again, appreciation for your staying on with this, Jan...your commentary has conferred a great measure of scrutiny and understanding to the issue...

I agree wholeheartedly Jennie.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 3, 2013 - 02:15pm PT
just wait till some "guide" shows up for the NOSE with 100 clients LMAO!

THEN youll will see some "chyt"!
Bharata

Mountain climber
Pune
May 3, 2013 - 04:20pm PT
zombie sherpas of everest. the how when where and why.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/13/130502-mount-everest-fight-simone-moro-interview-sherpas/

Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
May 3, 2013 - 04:20pm PT
I would be the first to applaud what Moro has done for Sherpas and it isn't just a matter of money. Getting anything done in Nepal involves lots of time and effort because of maddening bureaucratic and logistical hassles. In the end, the Sherpa people will remember this about him and say, he's emotional, he curses, but he's got a big heart, and most of them will be very sorry this happened to him.

One of the problems I can see on Everest is the young age of the Sherpa guys involved. In a village situation, the elders step into a fight to mediate. This is after the women have separated the antagonists. Normally Sherpas get confrontational only when they've been drinking and mostly this consists of shouting threats at each other while women hang on their arms and beg them to desist. They could of course break free if they wanted to. Fortunately, since there were no elders present, Melissa Arnot was there to play that role on Everest.

I'm sure the next step is more regulations about the south face as the guide agencies and Sherpas cooperate to put pressure on the Nepalese government. Eventually though, the guide agencies themselves will be under pressure from the Sherpas to pay more and raise comfort levels. The hapless Nepalese government will be in the middle, but eventually come down on the side of the Sherpas. That however, is years away. One thing that will aid this process however, is the coming shortage of Sherpas as more and more get educated and do other work. Already there are a few other ethnic groups who work on the mountains but they do not have the unique physiology of the Sherpas or their experience of altitude and cold. Given the amount of money involved, they will try however, and we can expect many more indigenous fatalities in the process.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
May 3, 2013 - 04:24pm PT
Jan rules. She is so smart, worldly and informed that it is a joy to read her words. Rich Goldstone, Clint Cummings and a few others have the same thing going.

Thanks Jan!





BTW, one of the big issues is that nearly everyone feels like sh#t once they get above 22,000-23,000'. Coughing, wheezing, sucking O2, lethargigic, not hungry, etc etc. So folks are already on edge cause their bodies are telling their minds to piss off. This is why so many of those other Everest and K2 expeditions have otherwise calm, friendly, fun loving white dudes trying to whack each other in the heads with ice axes. Read some of the literature or talk to anyone who's ever been on an expedition. Same-same, but ugly!
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
May 3, 2013 - 05:06pm PT
Camp 2 and the Lhotse Face above...

Alan Arnett
Hoboclimber

Trad climber
cali
May 3, 2013 - 06:43pm PT
They should have f*#king killed the smart mouthed honkies, walk in there and start mouthing off to the locals. F*#king wankers.
Stewart Johnson

climber
lake forest
May 3, 2013 - 09:03pm PT
Taking charge
Taking charge
Credit: S Venables
Calling the Tibetans bluff after they stole my socks
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
May 3, 2013 - 09:27pm PT
It always helps to be in the position of moral authority.

Either you're very tall or those Tibetans have very stunted growth.

And out of curiosity, did you ever get your socks back?
Stewart Johnson

climber
lake forest
May 4, 2013 - 07:05am PT
Jan im only a six footer. so yes Tibetians are short in Kharta.
and since i had ten pairs of socks and they had none i ended up bartering for yak bells etc. cheers and thanks for your knowledge!
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