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mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 6, 2013 - 06:57pm PT
Politics once again rears its ugly, re-districted head in the Mother Lode.

“Yosemite belongs to the American people, and the park service’s job is to welcome and accommodate them, not to restrict and harass them.”
--Rep. Tom


http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/04/05/187842/yosemite-plans-face-roadblocks.html

Roadblacks? nothing new there

Local lawmaker critical of bill on expansion?? cracker

by Michael Doyle (a thankless, mirthless job]

A bill to expand Yosemite NP has won the support of Cal's senators, but apparent sketpicism from the conservative congressman who now represents the park. hey, he's a winner already!

The Capitol Hill split could hinder the park expansion legislation that lawmakers will soon re-introduce.

M-o-r-e b-r-o-a-d-l-y, it underscores the challenges looming as Yosemite aficianodos and park new comer, Rep. Tom McClintock, R-Elk Grove, get to know [sic] one another, like partners in an arranged marriage.

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 6, 2013 - 07:06pm PT
I'd think that yer average camp 4 dirt bag would back him based on this quote.

“Yosemite belongs to the American people, and the park service’s job is to welcome and accommodate them, not to restrict and harass them.”

Sounds like Fineswine and Box-O'Rocks have a plan that will make some donors well off with the buyout.

What do those that actually live in Florista think?
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Apr 6, 2013 - 07:13pm PT
Who, exactly, are the parties involved in the buyout and what is their association with those promoting said buyout/expansion? The money trail usually tells the truth.

Some rube said that they haven't expanded the Park in 85 years. We haven't had bubonic plague in over a century but it's hardly a reason to reintroduce it in, say, Mariposa.

JL
Walleye

climber
The Hot Kiss on the end of a Wet Fist
Apr 6, 2013 - 07:22pm PT
Largo, heh heh!
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Apr 6, 2013 - 07:23pm PT


"Proposed Yosemite Expansion"...
























































3000 Feet added to "El Cap"...

BASE1361

climber
Yosemite Valley National Park
Apr 6, 2013 - 08:11pm PT
“Yosemite belongs to the American people, and the park service’s job is to welcome and accommodate them, not to restrict and harass them.”

Really...

TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Apr 7, 2013 - 12:25am PT
Regretfully, this member of Congress will probably get supported for his position here. The park service has overplayed their preservation hand with their duel mandate to "conserve the scenery and the natural and historic objects and the wildlife therein and to provide for the enjoyment of the same in such manner and by such means as will leave them unimpaired for the enjoyment of future generations." The weight swings both ways - when the parks get locked up to the present generation too much, that generation will bust down the gates to get in to enjoy the place - with legislation if necessary. I commend the NPS for their work to date, but they recently seem out-of-touch with the people - who want to be responsible yet also be able to visit their parks. If they continue with their fencing off and relegating visitors to a sterilized park experience, then they may be throwing the baby out with the wash water, and this member of Congress could be a hero to many.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Apr 7, 2013 - 12:45am PT
1600 acres?

whoop de doo,

Stephen Mather, Albright, Jimmy Carter, turned half the US into parks,

Rockefeller Jr bought the Tetons, and the best these guys can do in 85 years is 1600 acres?

John Muir just rolled over in his grave, jus sayin, wtf, over?

k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Apr 7, 2013 - 12:56am PT
Who, exactly, are the parties involved in the buyout and what is their association with those promoting said buyout/expansion? The money trail usually tells the truth.

Here's from the article:

The legislation, to be introduced by Rep. Jim Costa, D-Calif., in the House and by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., in the Senate will authorize the purchase of about 1,600 acres in Mariposa County for an addition to the park. The land is located near a development called Yosemite West, and was reportedly part of naturalist John Muir’s original plan for Yosemite.

The Pacific Forest Trust currently owns about half of the land covered by the bill, and a partnership of medical professionals owns the other half. The bill authorizes the land purchase by the park service, but does not mandate it.

The land wouldn't be used for commercial purposes (in fact, it would help prevent it from being turned into another housing development).
Captain...or Skully

climber
Apr 7, 2013 - 12:56am PT
They can't manage the Park they have now.
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Apr 7, 2013 - 12:59am PT
Joshua Tree's upgrade to national,park status prompted a great number of "improvements": paving what were once dirt roads, leading to much greater traffic in previously lightly visited areas, expanding parking lots, etc., all in the name of preservation.
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Apr 7, 2013 - 01:14am PT


"Joshua Tree's upgrade to national,park status prompted a great number of "improvements"..."...

I've always felt that the SIGNS were a GREAT improvement and well worth the money spent...

Now when I go there, I know where the climbs are...

Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Apr 7, 2013 - 02:49am PT
i know the girl who works at the gate.

hey watch out takin weed into that place, used to spark in the parking lot, saw a ranger with binocs checking me out, had to run to that pond with the weird dam and sh#t,


Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Apr 7, 2013 - 11:39am PT
If they continue with their fencing off and relegating visitors to a sterilized park experience, then they may be throwing the baby out with the wash water, and this member of Congress could be a hero to many.

What does this actually mean. Sterilized? When I was there a lot in the 70s and 80s I never had a sterilized experience. If someone wants a down and dirty experience, what more do you have to do but hit the trail? Where in the park charter was the Park Service in charge of orchestrating a visitor's experience beyond providing reasonable access to the big attractions like Lower Falls, Bridalvail, the falls going up to Half Dome, the cable route, etc.

JL
Studly

Trad climber
WA
Apr 7, 2013 - 01:36pm PT
The land being bought owned by a consortium of medical professionals. Right there is your money trail, as it will probably sell to the government for as much or more as if it was already divided into 1/2 acre lots. What's the proposed purchase price.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 7, 2013 - 02:18pm PT
You can't expect geniuses at the government level, so the public version of the usual and ubiquitous "they" need reliable, registered, voting doctors to guide them and committees of well-intentioned lawyers to protect the rights of government in deciding to whom to sell the public trust.

Just another day in the park.

There's a reason the park hasn't been added to in so long. Nobody thought of making money this way till now (or had the balls and Di-Fi's approval) is my guess. The Sierra Club's sort of given up on and written off Yosemite. Nor would I be very surprised to see various names associated with the consorttium on the roster of the Yos. Conservancy and other resource defense groups.

I only joined the YC for the book discount myself...

TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Apr 7, 2013 - 02:46pm PT
John, by sterilized, I guess I mean the corralling of visitors into parking areas where they wait for a bus to carry them to the visitor center to watch a video, roping off large, special places (like ECM), paving trails or curbing roadways so you can't pull off onto the side. Tioga Road will soon have a limited number of parking spots and the current ad hoc arrangement will be a memory. Your right, the charter doesn't tell NPS to provide the experience, but 90% of natural resources management is managing people. Regulations (no beer at the beach) is direct management. Curbing Tioga Road is indirect ("there's no place to park, so I guess we have to move along"). YNP just seems to be ramping up both too much, and I'm afraid there could be a legislative backlash that removes needed protections to all parks.

I doubt there will ever be a lack of opportunity to have an unsterilized experience in the park. We just won't get to throw Frisbee for hours in Stoneman like BITD, or nap in ECM after an all-nighter in C4. On the full-sized park map (about 24" or more), the crowded area of the valley is smaller than a half dollar. excluding Tuolumne, Wawona, and the road corridors, the place remains practically deserted.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 7, 2013 - 02:49pm PT
Locker hit on something.. Excavate another five to eight hundred feet at the base of the Capn.. You KNOW theres more goodness down there!
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 7, 2013 - 02:59pm PT
One thing hasn't been mentioned here, and it's our main problem.

There are too many people in the world for everyone to have a quality experience.

We humans are getting more experiences of all kinds from our electronics in compensation. Not enough of us seem to care about the "real environment."

Tell me that's not happening and that it is a good thing. It's the only thing if we can't control our population growth.

People could be doomed to a single two-day excursion to recreate by the end of the century and will have to settle for it because we didn't give a damn.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 7, 2013 - 03:06pm PT
You bring up GOOD points Mouse. Truly, i can not believe how climbing alone has grown from the mid seventies. Reservations for wilderness permits in the sierras were FULL more than five months in advance this year!!??

There are MANY areas i wont ever see again up close due to the nature of changing times. Hell,, look at Everest base camp these days. I could NOT imagine what that is now like. Even through the high res magnifying pics posted on the ST- it doesnt seem real.

The LAST time i was at the leap, we did nothing but watch the circus unfolding before our eyes. The valley is ten fold beyond that.
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