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pbernard02

Trad climber
Chester, CA
Mar 26, 2013 - 11:44am PT
Yeah, I can agree with that... slightly off.


Uh-oh locker... you just opened up another whole can-o-werms.






LOCKER SAID IT, NOT ME!
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Mar 26, 2013 - 11:47am PT


I have the feeling I'll be fine...

;-)





Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Mar 27, 2013 - 08:42am PT
No insensitivity intended... just a serious question on social responsibility.

No offence pbernard02, but I think the point that a lot of people are trying to make... is that sh#t happens.

You could be driving down the road and a semi smacks into you (as happened to a friend in Belfast recently).

Actually they call them articulated lorries over here.

Several years ago, one of my nephews fell asleep in his semi and smashed into another semi up near Redding on Highway 5. He was the only one hurt but the CHP and firemen took almost two hours to cut him out of his rig. He lost some toes and was in rehab for a long time.

He did not mean or foresee that he would crash his truck.

Sh#t happens. And when it does, society, us, should be supportive.

So it is not such a simple matter of "social responsibility" as you put it/ask Bernard.

But I will agree, that there is a "victim" culture, especially in the US it seems. Some people do not want to take responsibility for their actions.

I have always, always, held my hands up if I messed up, mea culpa. I have never sought to blame somebody or make excuses for my f*ckups. (My late mother, late brother Mac, brother Casey, and uncles, taught me that. Especially Mom and Mac, "take responsibility for your actions", good or bad.)

And on the flip side, it is nice to be recognized for doing a good job.

To iterate, I agree, there is somewhat of a 'culture' out there to try and avoid responsibility for one's actions. To point the finger elsewhere.

But when sh#t happens, people do need help. We are a social species, a pack animal, IMO that is why we have survived as a species.
hossjulia

Trad climber
Where the Hoback and the mighty Snake River meet
Mar 27, 2013 - 09:01am PT
locker has a great point.

Society is f#cked up. I have NEVER had an easy time of it in this culture. So much falseness we live with in today's world. So much unimportant BS being touted as THE WAY. So many scams being perpetrated against us, affecting our health, freedom (of mind anyway)and well being.
There are times I honestly can't stand it and I have to disappear myself.

30 days on the trail last summer, talking to other folks doing the same thing, living out with the deer. I was in heaven. Never wanted to come out.

I pace the box I live in like a rat in a cage.
The weather so cold outside it freezes my breath in my throat.

So I jog in place and the cat streaks down the hall. I chase. We have fun. I go to work and wonder what is it all for?

I'll be back in the Sierra by summers end.
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Mar 27, 2013 - 09:57am PT


^^^

See!!!...

There's a "NUT" right there...

LOL!!!...


Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Mar 27, 2013 - 11:18am PT
Hossjulia, get back to your cubicle.

How dare you take a month off to hike. ;-)
mt10910

climber
Mar 27, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
stuff happens, but if you are not sponsored by J.O.B. so are likely not prepared.

Which doesn't mean if you have a job help isn't appreciated, but it does mean it was earned.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 27, 2013 - 12:44pm PT
Billions of people would kill for a cubicle. ;-)
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Mar 27, 2013 - 01:58pm PT
Cross posted this on Mountainlions "What is a worthy cause" thread.

full link:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/editorials/give_him_the_boot_FKlhXh3eJx09zq9oQi73HI

"Give him the boot
Posted: March 27, 2013

So it now turns out that Jeffrey Hillman, the barefoot beggar who famously received a free pair of boots from a big-hearted police officer, not only has an apartment but pockets as much as several hundred dollars a day while pretending to be homeless.

Hillman freely admitted as much to a team of Post reporters who followed him home on the subway Sunday ó and then watched as he calmly counted a huge wad of bills. Not to mention that he seems to be the Imelda Marcos of the streets, with at least 30 pairs of shoes and boots.



Most New Yorkers will doubtless be disappointed to learn that the inspiring tale of a police officerís kindness to a man in distress would have such a cynical denouement. Few, however, will be surprised. Even so, there is a moral to this story that is especially timely. The beggar whose charade spurred Officer Larry DePrimo's act of kindness is a fraud.

New York is a generous city, at both the individual and government level. In addition to private charity, those in need can count on a whole raft of services, from shelter to food to rent subsidies and Medicaid. Our guess is that most New Yorkers are more than willing to pay so long as their dollars go to help people truly in distress.

Hillman reminds us how easy it is to exploit generosity. His scam seems to have been directed at passers-by who take pity on a man who goes about Midtown pretending to be barefoot, poor and homeless. His example reminds us why it is important for the city to ensure that its own assistance is not exploited by those who donít need it.

For in addition to the needy, New York also has a whole class of politicians and activists quick to denounce City Hall as cruel and heartless (and to sue) whenever it takes reasonable measures to weed out the deserving from the undeserving.

When the NYPDís Larry DePrimo bought those now-famous boots, he represented the best of this city. People such as Jeffrey Hillman remind us that when the greedy take advantage, thereís more cynicism about giving ó and less help to go around for those truly in need."


John M

climber
Mar 27, 2013 - 02:06pm PT
When the NYPDís Larry DePrimo bought those now-famous boots, he represented the best of this city. People such as Jeffrey Hillman remind us that when the greedy take advantage, thereís more cynicism about giving ó and less help to go around for those truly in need."

To add to the cynicism, there was a news story that talked to some cops and they said all the cops knew this guy had an apartment and wasn't homeless because he had been picked up in the past many times. So the cop doing the giving was really just taking advantage of PR opportunity. Otherwise, how did they get the nice pictures.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Mar 27, 2013 - 04:03pm PT
^ ^
Nice, a double level scam, with the public the losers, as usual!
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Mar 27, 2013 - 06:19pm PT
Hossjulia I want you to know... I read every post of yours I see, I savor your words, I respect your opinion.

:-)

Fitting in isn't for everyone. I can only maintain the Grand Illusion for limited periods of time.

And yet?

I see Masters of Illusion, daily. Folks who can navigate the white water of society while swimming with sharks and smiling all the while. They live to 90 and when they pass people mourn their losses. Its always blown me away.

You see a smiling white haired old man in the park... he could be a former tycoon, or a child molester or a life long bully or drunk.... or he could be the nicest man in the universe.

From the smile alone you just can't tell.

Weird, huh? We all start and finish this life in the same way - its the in-betweens that'll get to ya.

DMT
ionlyski

Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
Mar 28, 2013 - 02:51am PT
KUMBAYA
ionlyski

Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
Mar 28, 2013 - 02:53am PT
Philo, thanks for this one. It's now on my desktop screen saver.

Arne

Credit: ionlyski
LilaBiene

Trad climber
Mar 28, 2013 - 08:24pm PT
Philo, I love that picture, too.

And Cragman's quotes about kindness...
cuvvy

Sport climber
arkansas
Apr 2, 2013 - 02:50pm PT
Pud posted the best response
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Apr 2, 2013 - 03:53pm PT
Pud said:
"Theoriginalone,

Compassion should be for everyone, I'm sorry you've missed out so far.
Perhaps you can join in by randomly helping some one in need.
It will make you a better human being and there's nothing wrong with that."

So Pud, mmm, curious here: how many bolts did you send to Mountainlion after he flamed everyone here while begging for free bolts and hangers so he could have someone else pay for him to grid bolt some sh#t-assed little cliff in the Phillipines?
deschamps

Trad climber
Flagstaff, AZ
Apr 2, 2013 - 06:27pm PT
Billions of people would kill for a cubicle. ;-)

An important thing to always remember. No matter how much work frustrates us sometimes, having a job is a blessing.
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