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Maysho

climber
Soda Springs, CA
Mar 8, 2013 - 07:11am PT
Hang in there Tad! I will look you up when next going to Burney, sometime later this spring...There are some cool moderates you would enjoy...and it would be great to have you join us!

Peter
darkmagus

Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
Mar 8, 2013 - 08:55am PT
So funny, every time I've ever mentioned chiropractic to climbers, the conversation turns to YOGA. Like every time. Which is cool, but...

Yoga can't correct structural problems. Chiropractic is superior to yoga for the prevention and alleviation of back pain. Because chiropractic corrects the underlying structural problems.

Once your spine is in proper alignment and you're generally pain free, you can start to get the benefits from yoga. It's not a treatment for back pain, however.

locker

Social climber
FukUville
Mar 8, 2013 - 09:00am PT

May well have been those "Sit ups"...

Not a real good exercise for the BACK...



My suggestion is before you attempt it again, that you do some research first for PROPER exercises...

Also, that you don't be in a hurry to the hospital...

Meaning go for the SLOW gain...

Don't bust it out for the CRUX!!!...


;-)

locker

Social climber
FukUville
Mar 8, 2013 - 09:02am PT

"Yoga can't correct structural problems."...


Neither can a Chiropractor...




"Chiropractic corrects the underlying structural problems."...



No it doesn't...




;-)



darkmagus

Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
Mar 8, 2013 - 09:02am PT
Hmmm....you're wrong about that! Chiropractic delivers the goods.

Why else would the Medical Director of the Olympics be a CHIROPRACTOR?

Google away...

Please feel free to edit that post whenever you realize the error of your ways...
locker

Social climber
FukUville
Mar 8, 2013 - 09:14am PT

"Please feel free to edit that post whenever you realize the error of your ways..."...


NEVER going to happen!!!...

There are no "Errors of my ways" here...

They do nothing more than a decent massage...

No REAL medical (Other than psychological) benifit...



Quack, quack!!!...

;-)




EDITED:

"Google away..."...

Resources on the internet make MANY claims...

I'll bet there are even a few that say "GOD" is real...

:-)



darkmagus

Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
Mar 8, 2013 - 09:28am PT
Hey, I don't tell you about resoling shoes... Because I don't know a damn thing about it...

So don't tell me (and others) about my profession, because apparently you don't know very much about it either...

And you aren't willing to learn, which is fine...They call that "close-mindedness"!

Check and see how many professional athletes make chiropractic a regular part of their life.

I thought you were cool, locker, thought you were cool...
locker

Social climber
FukUville
Mar 8, 2013 - 09:31am PT

Credit: locker
...

;-)




EDITED:

"Hey, I don't tell you about resoling shoes... Because I don't know a damn thing about it..."...


I could teach a Monkey to do it in a quick afternoon...

So there's HOPE for you, yet!!!...

:-)

Daphne

Trad climber
Black Rock City
Mar 8, 2013 - 09:38am PT
Kris, your website is awesome! You really are pulling it all together there.

Yoga is great, but it all depends on the teacher. I've had some teachers that teach yoga like it is an aerobic exercise. It's not, it requires a deep inquiry into the felt experience of the structures of the body. A forward bend may look the same but a correct forward bend will feel very different than just rolling over toward your feet. Someone up thread mentioned Anusara yoga-- that is a kind of yoga that emphasizes form and attention to energy. Anusara would be an excellent place to start.

And chiropractic is awesome. I love my chiropractor, but I find the older I get (50) the more I need both structural correction and soft-tissue correction. I am working now with an amazing physical therapist who has shown me the root of some of my chronic issues.

In summary (some day I will learn to shorten my sentences) as we get older we need a stable of helpers to keep our bodies able to do our sports. I miss my younger days when I could do it all myself, but I had to realize, those days are gone. Get help and let it be ok to do so. You will regain your full function and feel better than you ever have.

darkmagus

Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
Mar 8, 2013 - 10:04am PT
Ugh, I hate that I'm so

TROLLABLE!!!!

You got me GUD...

I've only been practicing for one year so I haven't developed that THICK SKIN for when people do the "duck onomatopoeia thing"!!! They say it takes a couple of years to get that...
locker

Social climber
FukUville
Mar 8, 2013 - 01:09pm PT


"Ugh, I hate that I'm so

TROLLABLE!!!!

You got me GUD..."
...



LOL!!!...

I used a SHARP hook...

;-)



mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 8, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
I go to a chirocracker occasionally and always feel better after. I've had acupuncture before, with some pretty awesome results as far as pain relief and sinus pressure relief. But as soon as "they" start claiming it can cure chronic conditions (like my food allergies) I find someone else. I gave 2 people the go ahead to "cure" my food allergies and I saw NO improvement after 6 months. Their response: "well, you have to WANT to be cured."

locker is right, a bunch of bs claims out there related to alternative medicine. Find what works and do it.


TH, I have found that if I do situps without doing the reverse motion (roman chair, back extensions, whatever) my back janks out and I can't walk after about a week. If I balance side crunches, crunches, and the back extensions my back is fine... and I become incredibly sexy to boot!
duncan

climber
London, UK
Mar 8, 2013 - 01:46pm PT
darkmagus (fine username), nearly all of this is wrong.

Point by point:

"... the best thing for most episodes of back pain is a chiropractic adjustment."

Not better than Osteopathy or Physiotherapy/Physical Therapy: UKBEAM 2004 http://www.bmj.com/content/329/7479/1377 (a large well-conducted randomised controlled trial). Manipulation / high-velocity thrust / 'adjustment' is an effective treatment for some spinal pain but no professional group has a monopoly on these techniques. I'm happy to have my spine manipulated if it aches and manipulate others' if it seems appropriate.

"It realigns the "offending" vertebrae and as a side effect, the surrounding muscles can relax and begin to heal. Shooting from the hip once again, but more than likely these muscles are currently in spasm trying to protect the misaligned vertebrae in your case."

"This misalignment is called a subluxation. Most back pain (generated by muscle spasm or strain) is coupled with subluxation. However, not all subluxations are coupled with pain..."

There is no such thing as a vertebral subluxation or vertebra that is 'misaligned' and can be 'corrected' or 'adjusted' by manipulation. Manipulation is good for pain relief but it doesn't change the position of the bones of your spine nor change they way the bones move.

It is not totally understood how manipulation works, however there is good neurophysiological evidence that provide much of the explanation without needing to resort to pseudoscience nonsense.

As a more general point, diagnosing and offering treatment advice from the tiny amount of information the original poster has provided is doubtful at best and downright hazardous at worst.
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 8, 2013 - 05:10pm PT
Hang in there Tad! I will look you up when next going to Burney, sometime later this spring...There are some cool moderates you would enjoy...and it would be great to have you join us!

Peter

Thanks Peter that would be cool and an honor to climb with you guys.
I've been meaning to get up there since it's only like 20 min. from home.
I'll give you a shout when we go to Toms Thumb next, I think you'd enjoy
a day up there. Mostly single pitch face climbing up to .11
Hope this back issue is just a bump in the road and not something serious.

To the rest of you,
Thanks for the suggestions and recommendations but I didn't mean to start an arguement over the pros and cons of chiropractic, yoga, traditional medicine, etc., I have nothing against any of those approaches, what ever
works best for you roll with it!

Peace Supertopians,
Tad
gonamok

climber
dont make me come over there
Mar 8, 2013 - 08:14pm PT
Dude, when you get old you can yank a muscle sharpening your pencil. It aint right....
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 15, 2013 - 08:42am PT
Update,
Back is feeling better, pain gone just a little sketchy.
Gonna start my power walks again, rethink the aggressive old school exercising. Ksolem's page may help.
Tad
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