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T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Topic Author's Original Post - Mar 4, 2013 - 09:15am PT
My loving wife of 33 yrs. is dealing with the effects of "The Change" again.

She started menopause about 6 yrs. ago and went to the family Dr. who prescribed a couple of drugs, Wellbutrin and something else. She stayed on them for about a year or two then stopped taking them and did not have any more symptoms over a 4 yr. period. Then a few months ago the symptoms
(hot flashes, moodiness, depression, lack of energy) returned.
She has decided to call the Dr. to set up an appointment and we think he will just prescribe more drugs. We both do not like to rely on scrip drugs
unless absolutely neccesary.

So any ladies out there that have gone thru this,
What worked or didn't for you?
Does menopause reappear after 4+ yrs.?
Any alternatives to RX drugs?
Any advice welcome,
and yes we both know we're gonna die eventually.

Peace and love,
Tad and Maureen




kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Mar 4, 2013 - 09:17am PT
Certainly there must be a better forum for this question!
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Mar 4, 2013 - 09:19am PT
Fuh-Q kenny. Everything else is up for grabs here on ST. Why not menopause?


Tad & Maureen ? PM sent.


Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Mar 4, 2013 - 09:22am PT
What Tami said.

Getting answers to all kinds of questions is one of the joys of ST
brotherbbock

Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
Mar 4, 2013 - 09:23am PT
Wow this confirms that the Taco is indeed the place to discuss anything and everything, ..........and sometimes even climbing too ;)
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Mar 4, 2013 - 09:24am PT
Getting answers to all kinds of questions is one of the joys of ST
Fuh-Q kenny.
that didn't answer my question.Could have left out the fuh-q part, Maybe Tami needs some meds.
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 4, 2013 - 09:51am PT
Tami, thanks for the PM will relay that info to my wife.

kennyt, your 1st response was an exclaimation! not a question? and was expected.
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Mar 4, 2013 - 09:53am PT
Another Fuh Q & not needing meds. Answer you seek : no .
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Mar 4, 2013 - 09:56am PT
kennyt, your 1st response was an exclaimation! not a question? and was expected.
Ill try to work on my punctuation!!!!!

Another Fuh Q & not needing meds.

Denial. maybe it's time to take off the burlap lined lycra!
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Mar 4, 2013 - 09:59am PT
Number three FUh Kewwwwwww. This is fun.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Mar 4, 2013 - 10:04am PT
Yes, As fun as this is I'm going to head over to colonoscopy thread.

Tad, Hope things workout for you and your wife. Really
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Mar 4, 2013 - 10:07am PT
HEAD right into that colonoscopy thread kenny !!!



:-D Snicker guffaw.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Mar 4, 2013 - 10:09am PT
Ladies first, If you know any.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 4, 2013 - 10:23am PT
well,,Havent got anything for ya Tad.. I deal with a nasty female amazon parrot though.. She has been in mood swing mode since we met,, 18 years ago..


As for the score,, it seems a dead heat between Tami and Kenny..
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 4, 2013 - 10:26am PT
Ron...That belongs on the men-opause thread...RJ
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Mar 4, 2013 - 10:28am PT
Dead heat ? Snicker.........but........Damn. What would Chef Ramsay say?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 4, 2013 - 10:31am PT
Time for a cook off!
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Mar 4, 2013 - 10:37am PT
He can't say anything
TwistedCrank

climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho
Mar 4, 2013 - 10:40am PT
This thread is worthless without pics.
Michelle

Social climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
Mar 4, 2013 - 11:21am PT
My money is on Tami.
LilaBiene

Trad climber
Mar 4, 2013 - 04:58pm PT
+1 Michelle

My money's on Tami, too!

I probably sound like a broken record @ this point, but giving going gluten-free a try might help -- you never know -- gluten intolerance issues tend to pop up mid-life, too. It certainly got rid of a whole host of issues for me.

Good luck!
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Mar 4, 2013 - 05:04pm PT
Credit: kennyt
WTF

climber
Mar 4, 2013 - 05:05pm PT
WTF

Ive seen it all now a blue butt plug in the "how do I disable my account thread" and now this.

Go Tami you take that woodsfords crack addict down.



i think this where i say "You Go Girl"



nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Mar 4, 2013 - 05:09pm PT
the blue butt plug pict is posted?


well I better head over there....
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Mar 4, 2013 - 05:21pm PT
WTF??? WTF!!!

Go Tami you take that woodsfords crack addict down.

Woodfords is off limits!

Kenny, take her OUT!!!
Daphne

Trad climber
Black Rock City
Mar 4, 2013 - 06:14pm PT
This pisses me off so much. Why not bring that here? Why is that off limits when everything else about women's bodies is blasted [pasted] over and over here? [edited due to to remorse]

This problem directly affected my climbing, dammit. The symptoms of menopause caused a brain fog so severe that my safety and that of my partners was compromised until I got medical help. I went on bioidentical hormones and they saved my life in a multiplicity of ways. Bioidentical is the way to go.

If you want more info I'd be happy to share. pm me, please.

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 4, 2013 - 06:26pm PT
Try an exorcism.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Mar 4, 2013 - 06:35pm PT
hey there say, Thocking... i'll email you... give me a sec...

however, by now, my advice most likely won't do any good...

*mom taught us the good old ways of just letting your body 'to it's thing'
is far more safer, etc, than all these modern medicines ways...


email coming now, hope your wife is feeling better...
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Mar 4, 2013 - 08:01pm PT
Hey Kenny !!! Fuh Q again !!!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 4, 2013 - 08:05pm PT
I like Tami.

I like Kenny.

I'd love to see them wrastle, but I'm not sure who I would rute for.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Mar 4, 2013 - 08:23pm PT
Hey Kenny !!! Fuh Q again !!!


Yawn...
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Mar 4, 2013 - 08:31pm PT
I am getting hot flashes, moodiness, and feeling depressed.

Is menopause contagious?
Daphne

Trad climber
Black Rock City
Mar 4, 2013 - 08:37pm PT
How many posts long was that thread on testosterone supplementation? [edited due to remorse]
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Mar 4, 2013 - 08:39pm PT
Hey drooler !!! Join Kenny's club ! Fuh Q TOO !!!!

Oh, hey, and kenny ? You keep comin' back so ........























Fuh Q again !!!
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
Mar 4, 2013 - 08:42pm PT
A guy complained to his buddy about his wife's menopause related mood swings -

"My wife's grumpy and complaining all the time - do you have any suggestions - this is really a drag"

His buddy sez -

"She just needs more exercise - get her to walk five miles a day for a week."

"And that'll make her feel better? "

"No, but at least she'll be thirty five miles away."
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Mar 4, 2013 - 08:44pm PT
Hey Moose, Just be thankful yer not married to her, what a nightmare that would be.

Careful, Warbler Tami's gonna put you in the fuh-q you too too club.
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
Mar 4, 2013 - 08:53pm PT
Tami's got a sense of humor, but I know I'm pushin' my luck
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Mar 4, 2013 - 08:58pm PT
Warbler just told a dumb joke.


As fer you kenny ? moose ?


Fuh Q !!!!




HAHAHAH!!!!!!!

The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
Mar 4, 2013 - 09:02pm PT
Thanks for sparing me, Tami, I likely don't warrant it.

you're alright : )

Give 'em hell!
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Mar 4, 2013 - 09:20pm PT
Maybe Kenny didn't mean his "better forum" comment in the way it came across. To me, it was like "Oh, right - why would a bunch of GUYS know anything about menopause?"

But.... a bunch of the guys here DO have experience in dealing with menopause, as their wives, sisters and SO's may have gone through it.

And not only that, there actually ARE women here in Supertopo.

To me it is sort of disgusting that on Supertopo, it seems to be acceptable to post about women as if they are objects to be masturbated over and nothing more - which there certainly ARE better forums for.... But the issue of menopause (even when asked about from a man's perspective - he is trying to aid his partner in this transition) is beneath the site standards?




As for menopause, I am not there yet so haven't got advice. But, since I am 5o years old, it is something I have wondered about in the past few years and been fairly surprised that the subject is really NOT that widely talked about! Imagine that - half the population goes through this change, if they live long enough, and yet it is still shrouded in mystery to some point.

We know all about male menopause(also known as mid-life crisis). It is openly discussed, there is no "shame" in being an aging dude who suddenly seems obsesse3d with youth(his own and that of the opposite sex) and it is even seen as an honored rite of passage.

But the female menopause is some dirty dark secret nobody ought discuss? WTF????
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Mar 4, 2013 - 09:29pm PT
Tami, I am happily married. No fuking with you, sorry!








just trolling ;)
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Mar 4, 2013 - 09:33pm PT
Good troll moose. Fuh Q just fer good measure 'n' fun !!! HAHAHAHA!!!!!! GUFFAW !!!!!
TwistedCrank

climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho
Mar 5, 2013 - 05:30am PT
How come nobody ever talks about male menopause?

It one of those "shame" things isn't it?
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
Mar 5, 2013 - 07:32am PT
Why isn't it called menopause for men and womenopause for women?
hossjulia

Trad climber
Where the Hoback and the mighty Snake River meet
Mar 5, 2013 - 07:34am PT
Good lord, 44 posts and not one single useful comment?

#1 thing for anyone over 50 to check if things seem out of whack is your thyroid function. Blood test will give you an idea, but if you are borderline, you can only go by the way you feel. Kinda sucky.

I spent 2 years of hell, blaming it all on menopause, when it was hypothyroidism. And all I have to take to fix it is a kelp tab with every meal (which I frequently forget)and 500 mg L-Tyrosine when I wake up. The damn synthetic drugs they put me on made me feel like I was on speed. L-Tyrosine is cheap too, $15 bucks for 100 of them?

Hot Flashes;
Red Clover and Black Cohosh. Works wonders. Again, not expensive, not drugs. I use the NOW foods formula.
Keep a glass or bottle of ice water around, down a bunch at first sign of a hot flash, usually stops them cold.

Progesterone Cream. Again, not expensive. If the cost is more than $15, yer payin too much! I stopped it for a couple of years, but started back on it after doing some research. Seems to help.

I also take the Rainbow Light multi vits for women over 50. Amazing, and their whole foods green calcium supplement has things active older women need. Made a HUGE difference on my JMT hike.

The gluten thing? A bunch of crap in my book. It's a GMO thing, or too much processed foods period thing, for most people. And since most wheat is GMO, well, there ya go. Stop eating fake, soft breads and only eat hard, sprouted, whole grain breads, with no GMO's.
Try that first before you frustrate the hell out of some chef when you request "gluten free". Most of them know what I'm talkin 'bout!
Me thinks it's too much gluten from GMO sources. (Or too much anti bacterial soap, killing off the little buggers in our guts that deal with excess waste.)

I'll stop now.

And Fuq U too ;->

Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Mar 5, 2013 - 08:10am PT
I've sent a private message.

T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 5, 2013 - 08:12am PT
Actually there has been some useful suggestions that we have received via
e-mail and on thread.

Much love to all you ladies that shared valuable beta on a topic that some "men" are uncomfortable with and joke about.

And for those of you that flame or joke about this topic being in a climbing forum, rage on brothers, it was expected and we can take it all in fun.

Thanks ladies, you rock!
Tad & Mo
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Mar 5, 2013 - 08:27am PT
Wake Up Calls! Round two at Noon...

Don't stop till you've had enough...

Me no pause till I've had some rough...

Boom-chicka-boom, chicka-boom-boom-boom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 5, 2013 - 09:08am PT
This is one of my wife's areas of expertise, and I don't mean experientially.
She's quite the proponent of hormones. That homeopathic stuff? Not so much.
But if you think it is working for you then great. Every body and mind
are different, to a point. There is a ton of good info on the web on reputable
websites that aren't hard to find.

ps
I'm trying to think of something offensive to merit a Fuk Q but I can't.
Can I get an F just for thinking of one?
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Mar 5, 2013 - 09:15am PT
Fuk U, Reilly.

There. Feel better now?
TwistedCrank

climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho
Mar 5, 2013 - 09:17am PT
The Fukk-Q-to-post ratio on this thread is beyond the pale and it's not even 60 posts old.
hossjulia

Trad climber
Where the Hoback and the mighty Snake River meet
Mar 5, 2013 - 09:20am PT
"That homeopathic stuff" Is called medicine. Been in use for thousands of years.
Def works better for ME than synthetic, fake, chemically reproduced in a lab poison. Which is how I'm left feeling after listening to Dr's. and taking the drugs they prescribe.
Hell even taking suggested doses of Ibu for more than 4 days in a row makes me depressed and cranky, feeling poisoned.
Synthroid felt like meth to me!


Menopause is a natural occurrence in a woman's life. Is taking chemicals to trick the body into thinking it is still fertile really healthy in the long run?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 5, 2013 - 09:21am PT
Thanks, Ghost. It isn't the same as a heartfelt Tami version but it is a
gud start to the day.

edit:
I guess I just got a de facto one. Woot!
hossjulia, the trouble with the homeopathic stuff is that it is almost wholly
un-tested. It would be illegal for my wife to even suggest to someone
that they use some of that 'stuff'. But, like I said, if it floats yer boat...
hossjulia

Trad climber
Where the Hoback and the mighty Snake River meet
Mar 5, 2013 - 09:31am PT
Well, that's flat out un true, most of what is in common use has been tested extensively. In lab's. By professionals. There is scientific proof.

My own MD suggested Red Clover for hot flashes, and gave me a referral to a homeopath. pffftt

eKat

Trad climber
Less than a second shy of 49 minutes
Mar 5, 2013 - 09:34am PT
The gluten thing? A bunch of crap in my book.

Yeah. . . the PROCESSED gluten free foods are HIDDIE!

But. . . going "GlutenFree" has completely changed my life.

NO GRAIN

NO PAIN!

Again. . . for anybody with any doubts - READ THIS:

READ THIS!
READ THIS!
Credit: eKat

phylp

Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
Mar 5, 2013 - 09:40am PT
Hey, sorry I'm so late to the Fuh-Kew fest but I've been absent.

First and foremost, there is so much conflicting research and opinion in this area that even "experts" have differing opinions on what is safe and effective.

Personally, I'd never go to see a "family doctor" for this kind of thing. Most communites have docs and NPs who specialize in menopausal women's health and they will be able to customize a solution that is specific to your wife's history.

Like Reilly's wife, I am a fan of bio-identical hormones, and have used them for the past 15 years, initially just progesterone cream, and post-menopausally, beta-estradiol cream or gel. The only time I had symptoms was before I started my progesterone, and for the 1.5 years when I was going through meopause, before I started on my estradiol. I feel so much better with the HRT (no brain fuzz, loads of energy!), that I have no incentive to go off the HRT, despite the small but real risks of using it.

I re-evaluate my HRT regimen annually when I see my (female) gynecologist, where we discuss the latest research on risk/benefit of long term HRT.

Best of luck, Phyl
hossjulia

Trad climber
Where the Hoback and the mighty Snake River meet
Mar 5, 2013 - 10:00am PT
to clarify, "my MD" is a gyno and specializes in menopause. She does not recommend HRT (birth control pills). Bio-identical hormones, yes.


Just goes to prove, EVERY one is different.
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Mar 5, 2013 - 10:08am PT
^^^^ Yup, but my own private idaho is YOGA ^^^^^^6

The wake-up-at-night stuff is hard. But I work eves so typically can get a bit of a sleep-in so am not tired.

I think good physical fitness is a key to easing through this but I'm sure it's different fer every woman's body. I sure feel bad for my girlfriends going through epics with this stuff. Yikes. My heart attack is no big deal in comparison with years of feeling tired or crazy. Dang.

Thanks, folks, for keepin' up the Fuh Q's to those in need. Reilly check yer ST email ;-D Snicker haw haw. Chortle.
darkmagus

Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
Mar 5, 2013 - 10:10am PT
Some herbal remedies can be effective and have been studied, like Black Cohosh:

http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/BlackCohosh-HealthProfessional/

Our unerring faith in technology (in this case embodied in faith in pharmaceuticals) is disturbing, because most people don't have a clue as to the pharmacokinetics of the herbs that they reject NOR those of the man-made pharmaceuticals that they for some reason prefer...

(Sometimes they're the same, or very similar...) ;-)

Damn good marketing though...well played, pharmaceutical companies, well played...
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 5, 2013 - 10:10am PT
well FUch ME,, NONE of this applies to my nasty ol parrot girl!!!!

phylp

Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
Mar 5, 2013 - 10:16am PT
Julia, you point out something valuable to be aware of. Birth control pills are often progestin plus ethinyl estradiol (both chemically stabilized compounds related to the biological hormones), which I also wouldn't use for this purpose. Some people may prescribe them as HRT, and some people still prescribe Provera (containing a complex of estrogen compounds purified from mare's urine) as HRT, but I am referring to bio-idential hormones used for HRT. I prefer skin formulations because there is some data which shows that oral formulations even of bio-identical hormones could have some counterproductive effects due to "first pass" through the liver considerations.

(I'm pretty familiar with all the chemistry of the compounds, natural and synthetic, and the medical literature. I did research in this exact area for a few years when I was working at a pharmaceutical company and I still follow the original papers that come out as it's a matter of personal interest to me. So I'm kind of a geek about this topic!!)

I'm glad you found something that works for you, I'm not discounting it. It's another valid option. That is why I am suggesting she see a specialist. Risk and benefit needs to be considered on a per patient basis...
Hugs, Phyl
crusher

climber
Santa Monica, CA
Mar 6, 2013 - 02:22pm PT
Tad - I sent you guys an e mail directly. Kudos to you for being mature enough to ask.

Hey, to you dim bulbs who can't figure out why any of us would talk about something like this here - FUK Q! Go exhibit your immaturity somewhere else like the BOOBS thread.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Mar 6, 2013 - 02:29pm PT
Everyone is getting private messages

My wife has gone through it, and has multiple problems associated with it now.
either post up here, or send me a PM too
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Mar 6, 2013 - 02:31pm PT
Go exhibit your immaturity somewhere else like the BOOBS thread.
we can't some crazee %$#@H nuked it
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Mar 6, 2013 - 03:11pm PT
A co worker once announced "you know, I didn't think going through menopause was all that bad", to which several of us replied, "maybe you should have asked us what going through your menopause was like"

She looked stunned, so did we.

Susan
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Mar 6, 2013 - 03:23pm PT
Everyone is getting private messages

That's rite. Exhibiting ones symptoms on this thread will be a total flamefest. Even writing that comment, I can hear the roar of the fire as it approaches...........and it ain't no hot flash :-D

Fer my part, I'm with the yoga crowd for all & sundry. But I don't have much clue how my perimenopausal symptoms stack up with others.

My heart goes out to those for whom The Change is epic.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Mar 6, 2013 - 05:07pm PT
I heard that Real Women get power surges, not hot flashes
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