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Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 23, 2013 - 12:20am PT
Hitting me hard tonight



Sorry, Tacoids. climb2ski and Todd Eastman, my apologies for being hair triggered. No excuses but I do get this way sometimes.

Sincerely,

DMT

ps. Owe those boys from Oakdale an apology too, they didn't need my guff either.
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Feb 23, 2013 - 12:20am PT
yoga
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 23, 2013 - 12:23am PT
sominex,,cuts that stuff.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2013 - 12:23am PT
Hard to do on a prison ship but thanks Tami, its been too long for me.

DMT
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Feb 23, 2013 - 12:24am PT
Dingus;
Yer about the least anxious person I know.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2013 - 12:27am PT
Trap me like a rat in a sink ship and don't let me move my legs for a few hours, fuel it with a couple of drinks and my skin CRAWLS and I can bite the head off Gandhi's grandma. Been a rough week and Ive been on the road purt near constantly for a month.

It really is getting me tonight. But thank you CCman, tami and ron.

Got a little Fergie in my ear right now oddly it helps :-) Be Free.

DMT
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Feb 23, 2013 - 12:28am PT
Opium.

It's natural, green, non-polluting, carbon-friendly, and you can grow poppies right in your own yard without the involvement of any criminal cartels.

And most of all, it does relieve anxiety.

Works really well in combination with yoga.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2013 - 12:29am PT
Ghost drives the center and dunks the sh#t out of it hahahahaha!

DMT
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Feb 23, 2013 - 12:32am PT
Look on the BRIGHT side, Dingus.
You finally will be able to get on Couch's
Deleted thread, Thread. And you have PROOF!


:)
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Feb 23, 2013 - 12:33am PT
Dude, I just caught up with your pics of the alps! Obviously a different time/place for us both. Sorry to hear you are feeling anxious. No doubt things will be fine.
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Feb 23, 2013 - 12:38am PT
True anxiety hit me once in my life when I was fired from a job simply because my boss was "threatened" by me. Even going through ovarian cancer and chemo didn't give me the depth of anxiety I had after losing my job. I would trade depression, poor health, almost anything for the anxiety I felt. I can't think of a worse emotional or physical state than full blown anxiety.
Hang in there....

Susan
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Feb 23, 2013 - 12:38am PT
Don 't feel too bad Dingus
I'm sort of in the same boat.
I've only seen my Wife for 2 days
since Jan 10. It gets lonely staying in a 8x10 trailer
when I'm working in cali. Hopefully I will be able to get HOME for a couple of days by the end of march.
Norwegian

Trad climber
the tip of god's middle finger
Feb 23, 2013 - 12:39am PT
at least you don't 'ave
a giant claw foot bathtub
in the middle of your garage floor;

it awaits a bather, i shy away
im just trying to park my rig outta
the rain so i can extract the
alternator,

that went all hayzeus
when that metallic object shot thru
the sky just over-our-head,

and the worst part of the
situation that's mine and
luckily not yours
(im trying to easy your anxiety)
is that this dam clawfoot basin
has no feet, no claws,
it's kinda quadrapalegic,
right there in the center of my garage,
so i painted a blue square around it
and i wrench on my truck in the rain
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Feb 23, 2013 - 12:40am PT
Bad Ghost. Although I've grown the poppy myself. It's legal-grey-area here.........it's just it's .............uhhh, product.........that isn't.

I can't believe how much you travel for work. You need some serious down time there in order to keep yer crackers crunchie and not all gooey like they were dipped in sh1t. :-)

TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Feb 23, 2013 - 12:42am PT
My ten-year-old daughter said to me the other day following a major mishap: "everything happens for a reason," a phrase I have needed to utter to her from time to time; the prefect excuse, I thought. It all seems to circle back to its origin. Many episodes I have had with such are events - I use it to focus on understanding myself, accepting my own feelings, and sometimes savoring instead of shunning anxiety (sort of like Judo). Surprisingly, it very often works!
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2013 - 12:43am PT
25 k this year, already.

Bebot bebot bet.

(filapino!)

DMT
John M

climber
Feb 23, 2013 - 12:47am PT
to keep yer crackers crunchie and not all gooey like they were dipped in sh1t. :-)

LOL.. Tami, you create the funniest images. man have my crackers been gooey at times. hahhaha..




22 days and counting with the flu.



I have no idea what to say about anxiety except it sucks. Plenty of experience, just nothing to say.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2013 - 12:51am PT
Engines just peeled back on the last leg into the Promised Land.

I SO NEED TO GET OUT OF THIS TUBE IN THE SKY!!!

Head Bobs.

Makes the bugger's eyes water.

DMT
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Feb 23, 2013 - 12:55am PT
25 k this year, already.

So is that two trips to Shanghai, or thirty-two trips to Las Vegas?
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Feb 23, 2013 - 12:56am PT
DMT, you never owe me an apology. You're a bigger part of the tribe here than I am with many good miles under your feet and tales to enjoy and share. Thanks for the stories and insights.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 23, 2013 - 12:56am PT
Be well man. Like I said I kinda crapped on your awesome share of those pictures by getting off-topic.

Business travel sucks no doubt.

For years I have enjoyed and looked forward to your next adventure in the mountains and hills and cool obscure places you've found. Rocks and bridges and mines and who knows what you'll come up with!

But not as much as you look forward to them I'll bet :)
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2013 - 01:00am PT
Well let's see.... NYC, Pittsburgh, Vegas, Long Beach, Dallas, Houston, Tulsa, Lubbock, Salt Lake City, L.A., San Francisco... I'll be in Montreal next Monday, Pittsburgh next Wednesday and Miami about 10 days from now

"Lets get it started, let's get it started in here!"

(lose control my body and soul)

DMT
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 23, 2013 - 01:04am PT
This might not help.. but ...maybe

donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Feb 23, 2013 - 01:07am PT
Xanax and soda with a tequila chaser followed by 30 minutes in a hot tub and topped off with a Thai full body massage......works 40% percent of the time.
which
is
why
you have to keep trying
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Feb 23, 2013 - 01:20am PT
I hate traveling. If I never step foot in a sardine-tube-in-the-sky ever again it'll be fine by me. I feel ghastly for those of you herded through "Security" as if it's needed. Everyone should fly naked. WOuld fix it all 'cept for those with well -timed bombs hidden in their cecum.

Oy.

Ghost is still naughty. DMT still needs a rest.

John M

climber
Feb 23, 2013 - 01:28am PT
Aaaaaack Oh please dear lord, don't let the walmart folks fly nekid.

in fact.. don't make me fly nekid.

Talk about anxiety..

Dirtbags coffee girl can fly naked. The rest of you need to put some more clothes on.

Credit: dirtbag
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Feb 23, 2013 - 01:34am PT
I hate traveling. If I never step foot in a sardine-tube-in-the-sky ever again it'll be fine by me.
+1
Anxiety sucks..... much exercise..trying not to beat myself up with negative thoughts , deep breaths and Lorazepam when needed...my little helpers.

Dingus, sometimes..you remind me of this movie...
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Feb 23, 2013 - 01:38am PT
I hate traveling.

Traveling + money + time = Great Joy

Traveling + tight budget + heavy workload = Anxiety


Daphne

Trad climber
Black Rock City
Feb 23, 2013 - 02:11am PT
Breathe

I am sending Love. . Anxiety sucks. Any options for full immersion in water?
Anxious Melancholy

Mountain climber
Between the Depths of Despair & Heights of Folly
Feb 23, 2013 - 02:19am PT
if my avatar didn't state it clear enough, let me just say that living with anxiety and depression day in and day out is a challenge.. I envy you Dingus for the multiple good days you tell us about here, and am saddened to know that the beast has its way with you now and then.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 23, 2013 - 02:27am PT
Bummer. Xanax is pretty cheap these days and it is legal to fly with it.
Michelle

Social climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
Feb 23, 2013 - 02:33am PT
Hang in there buddy!
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Feb 23, 2013 - 02:45am PT
dude, no matter how down I had that travel thing there were trips that just sucked
no way to get them back on track...

there was this one time, to the SSC down in Waxahachie, where they got a bunch of us in a room to present proposals without telling us how much they had... which was considerably less than what the assembled aspirants were proposing, but a factor of 10 or 20...

...it dawned on me, when my turn came up for my proposal to be ripped to shreds, that I really didn't need to stay... there wasn't anyway I would benefit from this trip...
...at the soonest moment I could, I got up and drove to the airport, switched my tickets and went home.


I know you can't do that... but fantasy is such a big part of overcoming the suckage...

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2013 - 09:22am PT
So about a month ago I mentioned to the powers that be, at home...

"Kaity needs a cat." I felt rather strongly about it. I grew up with pets, and I'm not the only one. But over time we lost a couple of beloved cats and my dog Billy Bob been's gone nearly 10 years now. I realized Kaity had little memory of a pet. I recalled my Pop telling it having a pet was pretty important for a kid, too.

Its spawned some discussion blah blah blah. No, they are not up for a dog, they need something that exhibits a little more self-care, and a little less cleaning up after. Kitty cat was just the thing, drs orders.

I rolled in at about 10:30 last night, not in my best shape.

There were two cats in my house (complete surprise), a short haired named Chance, and a long haired black cat with green eyes, Magic. Young females, they greeted the big cat who prowled through the door like long lost friends.

Guess who the cats ended up sleeping against?

I didn't sleep for sh#t, the things roiling my emotions were no so easily soothed. But the look in Kaity's eyes as she watched me greet her cats and see them accept me? And both cats purr whenever I picked them up, just one day 'home' from the shelter.

Pretty cool cats, 5 bucks a piece, spayed, shots and microchips.

:-)

DMT
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Feb 23, 2013 - 09:28am PT
DMT,next time you come to Pittsburgh,let me know ,well go smoke a beer ,i was born there.Too bad i cant make it this week.Thanks for the inspiring
locker

Social climber
FukUville
Feb 23, 2013 - 09:39am PT


"Well let's see.... NYC, Pittsburgh, Vegas, Long Beach, Dallas, Houston, Tulsa, Lubbock, Salt Lake City, L.A., San Francisco... I'll be in Montreal next Monday, Pittsburgh next Wednesday and Miami about 10 days"...





























































FULLLER BRUSH MAN???...

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Missing photo ID#291113
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 23, 2013 - 09:55am PT
10mg diazepam and clean out the litter box (young female humans should be kept as far from the litter box as possible).
hobo_dan

Social climber
Minnesota
Feb 23, 2013 - 10:11am PT
What helps me quite a bit is to make sure I'm totally hydrated--like gin clear piss hydrated- that combined with exercise and then it really really helps to have somebody to talk to to let the elephants out of my head
Hope you feel better
Leggs

Sport climber
Home away from Home
Feb 23, 2013 - 10:21am PT
Dingus... got your email last night. After reading this, I'm feeling like a douche bag for not responding. *I'm sorry, dear friend... it was such a long day yesterday*

Having PTSD I deal with a certain amt of anxiety on a daily basis. I find that breathing, eating right and enough, as well as exercise help me with my anxiety. I also find that being in the moment, stuck on a ship or not, makes a great deal of difference, esp when you allow yourself to recall all the wonderful aspects of your life; healthy children, good friends, etc.

I will respond to email... and send you an equally cool link, though it may be hard to top what you sent me.

~cheers to you, Ding. Breath. BREATH. And remember, these "flights" do end.

~LM
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 23, 2013 - 10:33am PT
Dingus, and not to be a complete downer, but if I'd come as close to dead as many times as you I'd be a tad anxious myself. It's not like you haven't earned it or anything (the PTSD thing I mean).
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Feb 23, 2013 - 10:38am PT
I probably don't have anything that will help but a bit of sympathy. Anyway, if you can, spend a day with yer kids Dingus. It still helps even long after they've grown up and moved out. Barring that, even texting helps when you can't be there to get hugs and stoke in person. I texted the lad yesterday, ("hey kid I got a new kayak, LOOK") perks me up. Course, I had a new Kayak which might be a good thing for you to get too. And some time to use it:-)

Best to identify what is causing it and address it directly. Then stop worrying over it if you can't change it. Good luck, life is already too short to be cranked up over.
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Feb 23, 2013 - 10:51am PT
Don't worry, be happy . . . sadly it seems that fear and anxiety are the new American Dream turned nightmare. Everywhere one turns there are doubts and uncertainties in abundance. Must not let the surface discourage the internal.

Spring is coming my friend, along with it a rebirth, fresh, vibrant and alive.
locker

Social climber
FukUville
Feb 23, 2013 - 10:58am PT


HTFU...

;-)

GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Feb 23, 2013 - 11:01am PT
I have a friend I grew up with who has very bad anxiety... very very very very bad and dark anxiety. Colonopin an option?
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Feb 23, 2013 - 11:03am PT
Roof is leaking, I am behind in my rent, Jennie is up and down...

... anxiety? What is that?

I'd go climbing - but it is snowing out. And the roof is still leaking.

Anxiety. It's too easy. Give me a good round of total bullish*t, of people asking me for money, of people cutting off my credit. Anxiety? Bah, give me heartbreak. Give me a banker telling me that they don't care.

Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death.
MH2

climber
Feb 23, 2013 - 11:11am PT
Anxiety? Is that like when you try to get to sleep at night and then remember you didn't buy milk for your morning coffee? I hate that, but maybe that's despair or desolation.

Here's a thought; with all that time spent in the airplane position your moving parts may stiffen up and get painful enough to distract you from the anxiety.

So better get on the yoga.




Tami

Social climber
Canada
Feb 23, 2013 - 11:16am PT
They got you cats in your absence ? Oh, dear. Small furry beasties who will do nothing but rip up yer furniture, pee on your best down sleepin' bag, and then give up the cuteness so easily your big ol' messed up heart just melts away like butter on a stovetop.

So now just add yoga.


:-)
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 23, 2013 - 11:23am PT
I dont fly without taking a sleeping pill or two.. They dont put me to sleep but the relax the snot out of me- it may cause drooling..Lat flight i had to Miwlwaukee,, i had been served a drink,, was holding it in my hand, and i drifted off under the calming influence of a sominex. Ya know,,, how sometimes you JERK waking up?? Yep i did just that with the drink in my hand which ended up running down the front of me..The guy beside me asks if im ok and i tell him sure man- i always like to absorb my coffee directly through the skin!
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Feb 23, 2013 - 11:27am PT
MH2, milk for coffee? I forgot about that.

I do have a couple of Euro, milk is top of the list. Wine is out, whine whine whine.

Dingus, I do not know why you deleted your post on the Oakdale Fest thread. But I am sure you had a good reason. As far as anxiety is concerned, I can ID with you.

I will send you my best wishes and vibes. And all of you Taco Standers. Times are tough. And we need the best of vibes.

I have not had a good sleep for well over a week. Anxiety. But I am the eternal optimist.

Getting on the rock helps, but it is snowing (sort of) out.

EDIT

Hey Tami, Boots is not that bad. Yeah, he is a pain, but does not rip up the furniture and knows where his litter tray is (he never uses it, he scratches the rugs to us know that he wants out ).

Anxiety? It makes my palms itch.
username

climber
Feb 23, 2013 - 11:39am PT


I know that feel.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Feb 23, 2013 - 11:52am PT
Dingus.... two words of advise.






"Go Climbing"



And three more your going to be hearing quite a bit more of....









"Clean the Cat-box"








Cheers.
ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Feb 23, 2013 - 12:03pm PT
WEED, WHITES AND WINE (I guess the whites won't help with the anxiety, substitute with vice of your choice)
Bad Acronym

climber
Little Death Hollow
Feb 23, 2013 - 01:42pm PT
SCseagoat:

Know how you felt, the exact same thing happened to me yesterday morning. Hard to get UI for that type of "Discharge". Ugh.
GhoulweJ

Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
Feb 23, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
I feel your pain.
I travel endlessly too.
Right now I'm n the sky headed home after 27 days on the road.

For me it's more the gray skies of winter... Eats me alive.
It's easy to get depressed and lonely on the road...

My Gawd I want a real meal from my kitchen!

Looking forward to a week in the sun at home, then gone again for a few weeks....

Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Feb 23, 2013 - 02:08pm PT
Have no fear... everyone is a monster.. and not...

Have no fear of fear ... or anxiety...
Everything is as it is... it's hopeless, not serious...
Powder

Trad climber
SF Bay Area
Feb 23, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
Don't know much about what have been going on here (been away for a while) and can't do much, but...

(((((((((((hugs)))))))))))

Wish you well, and tomorrow is another day!!
Oh wait... it's a new day already! Hopefully you are feeling much better by now.

*^_^*
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
Feb 23, 2013 - 03:18pm PT
Angus is in Pinns for a couple days.

Might be just the thing. Relaxing on some loose cobbles.

:)

LilaBiene

Trad climber
Feb 23, 2013 - 09:19pm PT
Brian Eno's album "Ambient Music for Airports" is a must-have for any interactions with airports or planes. I set it on loop. The guy has it dialed. Airport noise and seats too narrow for your shoulders (bump) ought to have their own ring in Dante's Inferno. In fact, the only thing that gives me pause about heading out to Facelift again this year is the flipping God-awful long flights.

Kava tea is really good. I used to drink it two bags at a time until they added barley malt to sweeten it. Well, that and they took the capsules off the market over liver disease questions. Good thing they were still around when I took the bar or I probably would have run out of the exam screaming.

Klonopin has the added benefit that it is a mild muscle relaxant, and can help with sleep. Less sleep on the road = less HGH released = more build-up of garbage in your system, making you feel worse and worse. Good night of sleep = oil change for the body.

I can remember having to fly to Chicago 1 - 2 x per month and being awake for 2 & 3 & 4 days straight because I just couldn't sleep out there.

I had life-long, chronic anxiety and massive panic attacks (cycled with chronic depression) until I got rid of grains completely about a year and a half ago. Not a hint of them (or depression) since. No kidding.

I feel your pain & agree that furry family members are good for the soul. Hope you're feeling better!!!

A
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Feb 23, 2013 - 10:14pm PT
hey there say, DMT... oh my, very sorry i am so late... and won't do much good, now...

or if i could... :(


this won't help, i know, but i pray, and it helps me...

but for you, i'd say:
keep busy somehow, so you don't 'overthink' things...

either have paper and pencil and just doodle... which gets
out 'excxess built up energy' from worrying, but not being able to DO anything...

or--make a list of things that need solving, and what you might do etc, about
them... you will be so busy, you won't have time to be anxious, as you
will be in 'problem solving mode' and that tends to make one creative,
and THUS not as anxious...

(course, trying to actually DO some of the stuff later, and not have it turn
out the way you might, wish, MAY LATER make you anxsious... but you will have to deal with that later, and by then, you would be home, and in a more hopefully 'calming place'... )

god bless, to you dingus and the new cat-critters... keep loving your family,
and may you feel good, soon...
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Feb 24, 2013 - 03:52am PT
Life can be a struggle. I hear you. Hang in there.
locker

Social climber
FukUville
Feb 24, 2013 - 11:30am PT


...

10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Feb 24, 2013 - 11:38am PT
Easy solution. Quit that gig, and get a more relaxing job. There are way more important things to stress about than a job.
Studly

Trad climber
WA
Feb 24, 2013 - 11:44am PT
Not sure how you do it Dingus, hardcore man. I get anxiety everytime I get around crowds, airports, cities, etc. Give me the great outdoors! I was traveling so much that Im to the point, that I try to avoid air travel like the plague anymore.
Beatrix Kiddo

Mountain climber
ColoRADo
Feb 24, 2013 - 11:46am PT
Dingus try to stay positive. Don't let the negative thoughts spiral. Listen to good reggae (Burning Spear), meditate (youtube actually has some pretty good videos to help with this), go for a walk, drink some chamomile (did I spell that right?) tea. I'm recovering from PTSD. All of this really helps me. Stay steady my friend. It helps to tell yourself it won't last forever...
locker

Social climber
FukUville
Feb 24, 2013 - 12:03pm PT


...


locker

Social climber
FukUville
Feb 24, 2013 - 12:07pm PT


...

Todd Gordon

Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
Feb 24, 2013 - 01:45pm PT
I went back to work for 2 months;...long term sub job in a 3rd grade class;...I gained 15 lbs and got no exercise....it was fun, profitable, but alittle stressful for a senior citizen such as myself. That is over, but now the REAL anxiety arrives;.....I am so stressed out. Each day, I now have to decide if I am going biking then climbing......or climbing and then biking......or just biking,.....or just climbing....or just hiking.....maybe some housework...(nahhhhh)....or maybe just go to Starbucks w/a newspaper and a java and chill...it's stressing me out, man.....too many decisions....too many options....
(Dingus;...you got it, bro;.....it's a roller coaster sometimes....we got your back, sir;.....so go for the gold;...the power and the glory.....we'll spot ya...)...

locker

Social climber
FukUville
Feb 24, 2013 - 01:49pm PT


^^^

Now that's, "ANXIETY"...

;-)
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Feb 24, 2013 - 04:05pm PT
Am I the only one that looks at that protection scheme and thinks WTF?
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
Feb 24, 2013 - 06:47pm PT
Paging Dr. Milktoast, paging Dr. Milktoast, you are wanted in the climbing room. Please report.
ruppell

climber
Feb 24, 2013 - 07:08pm PT
Easy solution. Quit that gig, and get a more relaxing job. There are way more important things to stress about than a job.

In less words:



And

Off White

climber
Tenino, WA
Feb 24, 2013 - 07:24pm PT
Sounds really unpleasant Dingus, but I'm glad to see there's an explanation for why everyone's favorite uncle has been acting out and so cranky lately. Cats will get you through times of high anxiety better than high anxiety will get you through times of no cats.

oh yeah, and yoga.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Feb 24, 2013 - 07:25pm PT

too much in too few years?

Norwegian

Trad climber
the tip of god's middle finger
Feb 24, 2013 - 08:31pm PT
dude you chose your livlihood;
buck up when the piper calls.

so you gotta f*#king travel.
whoo hoo.

send it, dingus.
it's your lead.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Feb 24, 2013 - 09:51pm PT
Lots of great suggestions here. Personally after owning a Pharmacy for 20 years, if you have to drug yourself to live, you need to re examine your life. Short term may be an interim solution but not a forever solution.

Hobo dan made a great comment. Water and Exercise is awesome. Exercise rids the out door folk of the indoor demons.

Think Kalimon and 10b4me nailed it. What the f. kind of life are we living when it produces such results. Maybe time to re evaluate. Only the brave and the dumb blondes do.

Dumb blonde re evaluation: When Dan died five years ago, my husband, lover, best friend and adventure man I lived anxiety. I had to decide what to do about it.

I chose to turn my back on my then current life and create a new one. It was Dang Hard. At times I've had to count toilet paper squares.

But turning the sail into the wind and living one day at a time, one step at a time with Peace, Patience and Perseverance. I can now buy toilet paper. :D

But really, I am living a life I love. I am learning and growning.

I don't know you at all Dingus (but I love your Trip Reports.) But sometimes you think you have to produce a style of living for your family when all they really would like is you, home.

Peace, Lynnie
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Feb 24, 2013 - 10:03pm PT
But sometimes you think you have to produce a style of living for your family when all they really would like is you, home.

Sometimes it is not so simple. We work to provide. In the end we lose who we are providing for. Sucks.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Feb 24, 2013 - 10:13pm PT
johntp, sorry.

Personally I would have loved having my husband less stressed and happy with what he enjoyed....cause we enjoyed the same things.

Question here: Kinda Important One. Do guys think they need to keep up with the Joneses? Is it a Testosterone thing. I know some spouses like things, big homes etc....well maybe, did you ever ask your spouse/family?

Jess thinking out loud here. :D
John M

climber
Feb 24, 2013 - 10:24pm PT
Sometimes it comes down to what you are good at and what you are interested in requires a kind of commitment that can be all encompassing. And for awhile that can be fine, even good, such as becoming a surgeon requires intense commitment, but then sometimes you start to wear out and then you can be stuck. If you don't have any commitments, then it is much easier to change course, but if you have commitments, then it can be difficult. So you end up keeping on in something that is tearing you apart.

Good people get torn up all the time by the circumstances of life. A prime example in our society is someone stuck in a job because they need health insurance for a loved one. It isn't just the individuals decisions that affect how they live. The society they live in also affects them.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Feb 24, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
Good point, John M. But I believe the higher powers will help you and not destroy you in your attempts to provide for the ones you love. Smiles, lynne
John M

climber
Feb 24, 2013 - 10:32pm PT
Hopefully he is out playing.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2013 - 08:19am PT
Hey thanks for all the great chemical and physical therapy advice! Will have to try some of that out.

As it is I went climbing Saturday, got all roughed up and the hell beat out of me, haha. Felt GOOD! Sat in some poison oak too, for good measure. Didn't get a rash though, even though I was wallowing in it. Now I'm up to rassle with another week of flying the friendly skis. Off to Montreal, wish me luck!

My attitude is reset somewhat. We'll see what 10-hours of Delta airlines and a winter storm in the northeast brings me.

Nasty!

DMT
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Feb 25, 2013 - 08:29am PT
Dingus,"another week of flying the friendly skis". Yeah me too,at lest you have work,its hard to be a carpenter this time of year,yeah, anxiety.
Credit: wilbeer
best of luck
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Feb 25, 2013 - 11:02am PT
Git 'er done and get home son!

No worries about the Oakdale guff. I try to impose a one beer rule when I want to jump on somebody.

The world is a different place after another beer...the pause that refreshes and in this case resets. LOL
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 26, 2013 - 02:05pm PT
There once was a man from Nantucket...


Yoga is awesome!
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Feb 26, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Feb 26, 2013 - 03:40pm PT
http://www.tremblant.ca/

Two things that are sure to help. 1. A good day skiing. That pure euphoria that lightens your soul and makes it all worthwhile. 2. A bad day climbing. When you escape death by the skin of your teeth and suddenly you're just glad to still be alive.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2013 - 03:49pm PT
Bummer! I have a torn meniscus and can't ski at all right now, scratch method 1.

And frankly, I have so few 'bad days climbing' that I really can't rely on that method either.

WTF am I supposed to do? More meds????!!!!11111

DMT
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Feb 26, 2013 - 03:51pm PT
How much sleep do you get? It seems like you are constantly on the go.

Pussy is good too.

the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Feb 26, 2013 - 06:40pm PT
I hope you feel better Dingus. Lot's of good suggestions already.

Exercise (especially for someone who climbs and skis a lot and is out of action so isn't getting their normal exercise and adrenalin rushes). Don't sit for more than an hour or two, get up an move around for 5 minutes. I have gone from requesting windows to aisles (depressing I know) so I can easily get up. I'm often in the galley stretching.

Good diet. High on veggies. Low on processed carbs (sugars, grains).

Sleep. 8 hours at the same time everday with earplugs and eyeshades if needed then get up and moving. I've read for every 1 hour time zone differences it takes one day to get over jet lag. So going from PST to EST takes 3 days to get used to the new time zone. If you are going to be there for less than 7 days stay on PT for sleep/meals. Otherwise you take 3 days to adjust, have a few days acclimated, and have to re-adjust when you get home.

Massage. You deserve/earned it.

Do the natural things first then adjust meds as needed.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 26, 2013 - 06:47pm PT
Montreal is an interesting town. If its too cold, go to the underground shopping mall for some people watching.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Feb 26, 2013 - 07:55pm PT
What about the unnatural things we all need to do?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2013 - 09:39pm PT
First in line, jaybro!

DMT
ladyscarlett

Trad climber
SF Bay Area, California
Feb 27, 2013 - 03:34am PT
What's unnatural about taking a series of good long deep breathes...to take in all that calming, relaxing....air?

Or turning on the computer to enjoy some of the excellent...scenery...that the internet can provide? (just watch out for those computer viruses! hee hee)

Anxiety is a tough one, and the worst for me is when people look at me like I'm weird, and I can see it on their face..

"Why the hell are you anxious about THAT?!!? You should really 'work' on that..."

I just want to put them in a harness and let them dangle for a bit.

More deep breathes and walking in circles (it's NOT pacing, honest!) and my worst treatment, my pumpkin bread with the special recipe. Sedative pastry for realzzzz.

Good luck dude, the planes bring you back to the granite land!

Cheers

LS
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
Feb 27, 2013 - 11:37am PT
Pack an extra pair of underwear. That's what mom always told me to do when flying. Even if they lose your bag, you got that clean pair to make things more endurable.

But I suspect you are a carry on guy anyways. So the extra pair can be saved for scary Kferry bouldering, or whatever choss of choice those pics are from. ;)
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 27, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
ladyscarlett I'm SO looking forward to our next anxiety-reduction climbing session and top-out ceremony. Ritual is important. Hanging around in harnesses and such... priceless therapy.

:-)

DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 27, 2013 - 12:15pm PT
mungeclimber, I carry toothbrush and toothpaste. All else is optional :-)

Got screwed by the travel gods last night... went to the mat, and lost, walked out of a hotel (that told me there was no room in the Inn despite my reservation) and I F*#KING SCREAMED AT THE GODS.

F*#k those gods, they sure have f*#ked me.

Anyway... I'm on NO SLEEP and client-facing, in the spot light (laptop screen displayed on the wall, well, not right now anyway)....

AAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111

Wash rinse repeat

DMT
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 27, 2013 - 01:27pm PT
Crush it man. Alpinism is rough,, travel light... go fast and adapt to the inevitable unexpected setbacks.. push on though the pain. Sleep when you are dead!

the veiw is worth it...

Uhm in this case I suppose it's the decimal point view in the bank account...

A view I personally have never seen look very good lol.
Michelle

Social climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
Feb 27, 2013 - 02:38pm PT
Hang in there dude!

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 27, 2013 - 08:17pm PT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 28, 2013 - 01:44pm PT
If you ever thought business travel is fun or perhaps 'for you' consider reading this thread...

While presenting to a room full of people this morning, from an audio enabled podium to managers and vp's of a multi-billion $ company I fell I''l excused myself from room (colleagues were f*#king dumb founded) went to restroom and hurled.

Meeting over. :-(

At least I got a full 10-hours in front of them yesterday and today before fading to black.

Now at airport facing 8 hours of travel time to get back to west coast....

OMFG...... I'm falling the f*#k apart.

Seriously.

DMT
locker

Social climber
FukUville
Feb 28, 2013 - 01:47pm PT


"OMFG...... I'm falling the f*#k apart."...


Time to either alter your course, or HTFU...

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 28, 2013 - 01:48pm PT
DMT, you need to chill. Seriously. This ain't good. You need to take a break. I don't know specifically what you do for work, but any chance you can get another job? Life's too short to stay in shitty situations like that for very long.

If you want to move dirt around I could probably hire you for a few weeks in June. But I suspect you could find something better.

Hate to hear things are sucking so bad. Good luck man.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 28, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
cheeses & rice Dingus.. Its ONLY one battle. Not the war man..

Take a sominex, and breath. Ive been living life on the edge for sometime now,, in more ways than you can imagine. To dwell on the stress is to let the bastidz win.. AINT Gonna happen.. Put yur self into slow mode and hang. Let B of the WYDE carry you right now. You know He will not fail..
John M

climber
Feb 28, 2013 - 02:13pm PT
Good advice Ron.

Dingus, One of my uncles was the VP for sales for Texas Instruments an eon or so ago. Talk about a pressure cooker of a job. He, my dad,their other brother and myself were sitting around one evening drinking beers ( I wasn't drinking, I was still a teenager ) and he started laughing and told a tale about throwing up on a 4 star general during a major presentation to the military. He still ended up making the sale and my uncle and this general ended up being friends. Turns out the general had done something similar early in his career and could empathize. Life happens that way.

locker

Social climber
FukUville
Feb 28, 2013 - 02:16pm PT


Thread drift:

"( I wasn't drinking, I was still a teenager )"...


and that stopped YOU and no one else...

LOL!!!...
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Feb 28, 2013 - 02:17pm PT
Why all the advice for scrips? That's a pretty lazy non answer, if you axe me. I guess if you take enough benzos though, you won't be stressed out about your new problem of being an addict. Till you run out, that is.
locker

Social climber
FukUville
Feb 28, 2013 - 02:19pm PT

"Why all the advice for scrips? That's a pretty lazy non answer"...



No sh!t and I TOTALLY agree!!!...

Really fuking DUMB advice being given here in that department...

Pills, booze, weed, etc... is NOT the answer to COPING...

Knowledge, exercise, REST, good diet, maybe some counseling, along those lines are BETTER, "Answers"...



Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 28, 2013 - 02:23pm PT
As i occasionally suffer an anxiety attack, ive found a sominex to work WONDERS. The only thing that will stop those really.. At least for me.
Norwegian

Trad climber
the tip of god's middle finger
Feb 28, 2013 - 02:23pm PT
If you ever thought business travel is fun or perhaps 'for you' consider reading this thread...

While presenting to a room full of people this morning, from an audio enabled podium to managers and vp's of a multi-billion $ company I fell I''l excused myself from room (colleagues were f*#king dumb founded) went to restroom and hurled.

Meeting over. :-(

At least I got a full 10-hours in front of them yesterday and today before fading to black.

Now at airport facing 8 hours of travel time to get back to west coast....

OMFG...... I'm falling the f*#k apart.

Seriously.

DMT

don't argue with the universe.
perhaps your vomit is a tear from god.
she's weeping over your above-ground grave.

only cowards maintain an ill path.
you never seemed like the coward type.

f*#k that carreer. ditch it
and then commit to a fast,
shunning all wisdom for forty days;
whilst feasting on dreams of furthering dingus
(and thus furthering dingus' immediate dependents and peers)

it'll all come out, better.
trust me,
i can speak from experience, mate.
Michelle

Social climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
Feb 28, 2013 - 02:23pm PT
Yoga!!
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Feb 28, 2013 - 02:31pm PT
Well, if benadryl (what sominex is) works for ya, Ron, all the better. A little sleep doesn't hurt. Now, if you're dosing every night....

I tried the Kava tea somebody rec'd on this thread, actually. Pretty good for getting you relaxed and drowsy. Although, if you are a drinker, it may not be a good idea as you're starting to talk cumulative liver damage.
John M

climber
Feb 28, 2013 - 02:39pm PT
Locker, We were sitting on the deck of my uncles Galveston beach house. My mother was inside the cabin and she was a devout Baptist. Years before, when we lived in Venezuela, she had threatened to leave my dad because of his drinking. He stopped drinking. So just the fact that my dad was drinking with his brothers was stretching it. If I had been, well, my mother would have made the hurricane that hit galveston in 1900 look like a piddly little storm. She could be fierce.

On another side note. My dad and his brothers were known terrors in Texas. My mother tells the tale about her first date with my dad. My dad took my mother to this dance hall/bar and when they walked in the barman came from behind the bar with a shotgun and pointed it at my dad and told him he wasn't welcome there anymore. Turns out my dad and his brothers had wrecked the place by starting a big fight. My dad and his brothers like to fight, but my dad also liked to dance. He was a jitterbug champion in college. So he convinced the bartender he wasn't there to fight, just to dance and spend money and they let him stay. Probably because my mom was something of a looker. heh heh..

locker

Social climber
FukUville
Feb 28, 2013 - 02:41pm PT

"Well, if benadryl (what sominex is)"...


Close but no cigar!!!...

Benadryl = diphenhydramine

Sominex = Promethazine



But they are both antihistamines...





EDITED:

Sometimes when you get nauseous your Doctor might suggest PHENERGAN...

THAT is what SOMINEX is for us mere mortals...

Basically, PHENERGAN...
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Feb 28, 2013 - 02:44pm PT
In the United States Sominex is marketed by Prestige Brands and has as active ingredient diphenhydramine.[1]

In the UK Actavis UK markets Promethazine hydrochloride under the Sominex brand.[2] Actavis also markets Sominex Herbal as a herbal sleep aid with three active ingredients: Hops, Valerian, and Passion Flower extracts.

Nurple to the durple, Locker my chap! Well, unless you're in the U.K. right now.
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Feb 28, 2013 - 02:45pm PT
YOga, yoga, yoga.
locker

Social climber
FukUville
Feb 28, 2013 - 02:48pm PT


"Sominex tablets contain the active ingredient promethazine, which is a type of medicine called a sedating antihistamine.

Promethazine enters the brain in significant quantities and causes drowsiness. It decreases the time taken to fall asleep and increases the depth of sleep. This makes it helpful for the temporary relief of sleeping difficulties, for example if you have difficulty going to sleep or staying asleep because of disturbances to your normal routine."
...


"Benadryl® Allergy contains the histamine-blocker diphenhydramine. ... This product may contain inactive ingredients, which can cause allergic reactions"...





Jebus...

Each is an Antihistimine...

MAYBE(???) they switch back and forth between the drugs???...

???...




Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Feb 28, 2013 - 02:51pm PT
I dunno, Locker. Same difference, really.
locker

Social climber
FukUville
Feb 28, 2013 - 02:53pm PT

Correct!!!...

Pretty much the same...




EDITED:

Plus on some websites it says that Sominex does in fact use the SAME active ingrediant as Benadryl...

Go figure!!!...

LOL!!!...

Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Feb 28, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
Diphenhydramine's also good for tardive diskinesia.

Sometimes I feel like a tard.
ladyscarlett

Trad climber
SF Bay Area, California
Feb 28, 2013 - 04:03pm PT
it's nice to go all natural without the substances with the long names when time, space, and the universe allow...Sure, if we lived different lives with different paces, maybe it would all work out.

but sometimes it doesn't, and that's why we keep developing science.

Better living through science eh? Whether external engineering with better equipment, or internal chemical engineering with better drugs...

We use the tools around us, regardless of the forms - 'natural' or 'unnatural', to get what we want, achieve our goals, and maybe...just maybe...find a little patch of bliss every now and again.

Personally, I remember hitting a big day of climbing with only a few sips of cold day old coffee...and it's not something I'd prefer to repeat, no matter how natural it'd be to hit the mountain caffeine free! Though I suspect, if I were a Real Climber, I'd be able to get that pep in my step from mere anticipation....

better living through whatever means necessary...nawmean?

Cheers

LS



Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Feb 28, 2013 - 04:11pm PT
Better living through science eh? Whether external engineering with better equipment, or internal chemical engineering with better drugs...

A lot of those drugs aren't better than placebo. But the pharmaceutical companies don't pay researchers to publish those results, do they? I'm in medicine and will stick that sh#t in your arm, in your cup, or up your butt... BUT... I don't think truly better living will come in pill form, especially when it comes to the complexities of crafting a life well lived.

But if you need something, you need it. Sometimes waving a talisman shaped like a stethescope and giving somebody something they think will work is just as good.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Feb 28, 2013 - 04:25pm PT
Chopper Reid says.....HTFU, Dingus.

I say, a giant honking bowl of Sour Diesel, and call me in the morn...well, call somebody, you wake me up and I'll be pissed.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 28, 2013 - 06:06pm PT
Thanks ladyscarlett.

DMT
Michelle

Social climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
Feb 28, 2013 - 06:10pm PT
YOga, yoga, yoga.

great minds think alike ;)

Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 28, 2013 - 06:13pm PT
Melatonin and some good bud.

No need for any engineered pharmaceuticals.

Hang in there, DMT.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Feb 28, 2013 - 06:40pm PT
I don't think truly better living will come in pill form, especially when it comes to the complexities of crafting a life well lived.

Jebus, you are smart! :)

http://deathswitch.com/deathswitch.pdf
Sewellymon

climber
.....in a single wide......
Feb 28, 2013 - 07:25pm PT
i like what donini wrote...

a happy-ending massage or even *in call* massage to look forward to makes the day er, happier?
Norwegian

Trad climber
the tip of god's middle finger
Mar 1, 2013 - 04:10pm PT
mania as a lifestyle
corrupts time's genetics.

the march of the moments
stays in stride
only if the spectators
abide

your tendency to climb in
your free time,
suggests to me that
you embody hyper-vigilance
along with uncanny emotional thresholds
that reality cannot keep a reign on.

i've the same curse.
it's a blessing though, if you look at it right.

chasing death is a race,
not based on speed, for
those whom run from it,
also flee life.

i, and maybe you,
run towards death
in a bold dare,
that the reaper usually shy's
away from,
and after a while,
when the dust settles,
life shows up,
limping and out of breath,
and asks for a sip of your beer.

it's cool being in charge of our's undoing.
dont fret, dingus.
life's fire is well stoked.


Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 1, 2013 - 09:58pm PT
Docs says its norovirus.

DMT
froodish

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Mar 1, 2013 - 10:39pm PT
Docs says its norovirus.

Which could happen to anyone, anytime. OTOH, maybe your body is trying to tell you something. I know I manage to get sick when I don't heed the early warnings and take some downtime.

Take care of yourself, 'K?

(Don't know if your travels ever take you to stumptown, but if they do and you'd like a beer tour, drop me a line, first shout's on me :-)
Captain...or Skully

climber
Mar 1, 2013 - 10:41pm PT
Relax, dammit. Anxiety & stress are stupid.
It's easier than you think.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Mar 1, 2013 - 11:08pm PT
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Mar 2, 2013 - 01:13am PT
It's been a heinous year for norovirus. I'd say well over half of the staff & students where I work have had it. We had it piledrive it's way through our house at the start of the year. Disgusting little virus. It really is.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 9, 2013 - 07:29am PT
Seems I finally kicked the norovirus. After influenza back in late Nov. and a nasty cold in Jan and Fed its been a trying winter for travel.

Things are looking up through, as Spring approaches with its new beginnings. The almond trees are in full bloom as are the plum trees in my front yard with their lovely pink blossoms.

I had 3 separate interviews this week for a new job with travel more resatricted to west of Mississippi (huge qol improvement potential) and I just spent 4 days and nights at Miami's South Beach, living beyond my means.

Kisses, Taco, Dingus is BACK.

Well, in about 10 hours I'll be back, that is.

Cheers
DMT
Powder

Trad climber
the Flower Box; Bay Area
Mar 9, 2013 - 07:46am PT
=D

WB!
Glad that things are looking up and get better for ya! : ]
Michelle

Social climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
Mar 9, 2013 - 08:04am PT
Glad you're feeling better!


GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Mar 9, 2013 - 08:32am PT
But if you need something, you need it. Sometimes waving a talisman shaped like a stethescope and giving somebody something they think will work is just as good.

And sometimes there is a chemical deficiency that has to be balanced. Not everyone can be 'fixed,' sometimes the good Lord just made a brain lacking in certain hormones and it makes people f*#king crazy... but you know that.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Mar 9, 2013 - 10:01am PT
I got the anxiety coming at me fom three sides but it looks like escape through the fourth. My own Mississippi...
Lacey

Social climber
Nevada
Mar 9, 2013 - 10:30am PT
XANAX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Mar 9, 2013 - 10:38am PT


KLEENEX!!!...

LilaBiene

Trad climber
Mar 9, 2013 - 10:54am PT
Following on GDavis...and sometimes what is missing is regular, adequate sleep, without which your body can't keep itself "tuned" (incl. keeping neurotransmitters in balance). Lack of adequate sleep leads to less HGH being released, which leads to the build up of all kinds of left-over garbage in your system (e.g., cortisol, which makes you feel awful). Forgive me for repeating myself, but sleep is highly undervalued.

There are any number of reasons that cause lack of adequate sleep, from the latest virus to stress to lack of sufficient exercise to lousy diet. When I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia, one of THE most important "prescriptions" my doctor (my hero) gave me was to get enough sleep and to be vigilant about this. I have a great deal of respect for him because when I told him I didn't want the diagnosis (lol), didn't want any prescriptions, and ARGH!, I just wanted to know what to do to get better, he put the script pad down, leaned forward and gave me this advice:

1) Get 45 minutes of sustained, low-impact exercise at least 3-4, if not 5-6 times a week. I swim, and I second or third or...tenth everyone else here that suggested getting in the water. Even just getting in a small pool and kicking your legs furiously and working your arms to tread water until you get the fight out of you will work magic. Any kind of resistance activity, really, and you can't beat yoga, either. And obviously, when you're not on the road, you know what lights your fire.

2) Figure out how much sleep you need to feel rested. (If it takes a week or month or more of using something to assist you in figuring this out, do it without guilt.) After living most of my life on 3-4 hours of sleep (and frequently less due to chronic anxiety/depression), I now know that 9 hours of sleep is exactly what I need. I wake up without an alarm clock, without the desire to hit "snooze" and feel completely renewed. Once you figure it out, again, be vigilant in enforcing this boundary in your own self-defense. (I know it's hard when you're traveling, I don't dispute that.)

3) Eat well. When you travel, this is a huge challenge, but if you bring along some really healthy options (e.g., Vega nutritional shake powder, Laera Bars, Ultima replenisher for hydration) to make sure you get one extra meal in there that's really healthy, it actually makes a big difference. I avoid grains completely -- for whatever reason, my body hates them. Life without them is calm and even-keeled. No anxiety. No depression. Just pure flow. Also, I make a big bottle of water with Ultima replenisher, D-ribose and glutamine, and drink this throughout the day -- it's kind of like putting the best oil in your car -- this keeps your muscles, fascia, tendons/ ligaments, etc. happy, fed and hydrated (added benefit -- it keeps muscle spasms at bay).

4) Just make GOOD CHOICES. Wherever, whenever, whatever...of the options in front of you, choose the one that is best for you. This applies to virtually every aspect of "being". What I believed for 5 years was one of the most awful things that had ever happened to me (getting fired, which in the legal profession kills your prospects), turns out to have been a blessing in disguise. I was really sick with undiagnosed celiac disease and it was destroying me from the inside out; but I had been too busy pushing forward, working myself close to death (literally), to pay attention to all of the signs. I spent 4+ years in mental, physical and financial Hell before I figured out what was wrong by process of elimination (and finally disregarding all external, helpful "advice"). For the last 1.5 years, I have been slowly building my life, good decision by good decision. (Note, not "rebuilding", because my life before wasn't any way to live.) I have a contract job with no guaranteed length, without benefits, BUT I work for two managers that care and who treat me and everyone else they work with with respect, and the job is limited to 40 hours a week. When I walk out of the office to go home, the work doesn't come home with me the way it used to (eating up evenings, weekends, vacations, etc.). And the best part of what I'm doing now? When the opportunities to attend last year's Facelift and the Oakdale Festival arose, there was no pushback. My bosses were psyched for me.

I wrote elsewhere that I just had my 1.5 year FM diagnosis follow-up, and after following my doctor's advice, I am free of all indicia of FM. I share his advice because I think it's the best advice I've ever received. His advice provides your body and psyche with the optimal platform for living well.

(Off soapbox.)

Feeling for ya big time, and wishing you WELL.
Audrey
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Mar 9, 2013 - 11:23am PT
Thanks for the post, Audrey. I believe with 100% certainty that your advice is bulletproof. If only everyone could turn a switch on and become so dedicated : ( Hope the best for ya.
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Mar 9, 2013 - 11:25am PT
Hey Lila, have you tried gabapentin for fibromylagia? Does wanders for me. (Some recommend weed;)
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Mar 9, 2013 - 02:52pm PT
My work is very high pressure and very high tech. I've decided that it is eating me alive, and I need to decompress big time. I used to go on summer long adventures, but a replaced knee has limited me. So I came up with the perfect tool, which is really not very expensive: A small cruising sailboat. I did a ton of research and decided on a 1973 Albin Vega, which has a good reputation for going anywhere, because they have. I got the boat for less than 15 grand. I'm heading out to Chesapeake Bay in early May for several months of non-stop sailing. Next winter will be my last year of work and then I'm off, baby. I damn sure won't be posting here anymore, or if I did, it would only be to rub it in..

Credit: BASE104
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Mar 9, 2013 - 02:58pm PT
1973 Albin Vega

Mine is bigger ;} hehehe
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Mar 9, 2013 - 05:22pm PT
Way To Go!
Way To Go!
Credit: Some "brave" soul on Google Images

Susan
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Mar 9, 2013 - 05:32pm PT
Susan you started it!

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Missing photo ID#293429
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Mar 9, 2013 - 05:34pm PT
way to gooooooo
way to gooooooo
Credit: SCseagoat

Susan
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Mar 9, 2013 - 05:40pm PT
photo not found
Missing photo ID#293431
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Mar 9, 2013 - 07:37pm PT
I call "uncle"...! Jus' glad DMT is doing swimmingly. Anxiety is, well, I could think of a whole bunch of expletives deleted.

Susan
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 9, 2013 - 09:14pm PT
On the last leg of my journey home. Just flew out of LAX over Pt Mugu and then Los Padres, covered in snow. Sun is setting right now. Heading over California Valley and Carrizo Plain. Be home in a couple of hours. While my batteries aren't fully recharged they did get a deep cycle and I had an excellent flight back such a contract to the Plague Flight of last week. 75 degrees on Miami beach beat the hell out of snow in Detroit and Pittsburgh.

Hellooooooooooooo California!

DMT

ps. There goes the sun into the sea. Watched it rise over the Atlantic this morning.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Mar 11, 2013 - 09:27am PT
DMT,Hope you liked Pittsburgh!
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Mar 11, 2013 - 09:30am PT
Hey Mark-

Wait for it.....




















































Yer gonna have fun!





























Smart assed bastard!
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Mar 24, 2013 - 11:36pm PT
not all trips suck, of course… last week I was in Boston (actually Billerica) gathering data with collaborators… for the trip I read a 183 page manuscript straight through, captivating and thoughtful. Occasionally I paused and looked out the window.

familiar places can look exotic from above…

the San Leandro Reservoir


Mono Lake


the Hudson River, south of Albany


the Connecticut River, the big bend is at Northampton


the Charles River, you can see Fenway Park!
LilaBiene

Trad climber
Mar 24, 2013 - 11:52pm PT
Nice, Ed!!!
enjoimx

Trad climber
SLO
Apr 27, 2013 - 11:46pm PT
Been struggling with Anxiety for the first time in my life. Been going on for about 4 or 5 months. Its almost like the Sobriety concept, you have to take it one day at a time, sometimes one minute at a time.

In March, I started having a panic attack while belaying my partner up a multipitch climb in Yosemite. The only reason i was able to maintain was because he wanted to bail, and I had an excuse to go to the ground. I think if he would have been psyched to keep going up, I would have panicked in a physical way. It was close, and scary, considering I plan to do a lot of long routes this season where bailing isnt always quick and easy.

It was almost like, being stuck at the belay, with the normal thoughts about where the route goes, how to descend, hows the weather, hows my hydration and blood sugar, all the factors you are constantly assessing when on a long route, THIS particular time they just overwhelmed me and I was starting to have a physical reaction.
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Apr 28, 2013 - 06:06pm PT
^^^^scary stuff there. Anxiety is absolutely crippling. I think far worse than depression...although the two are often linked.

Take care of yourself...if you need support, get it. Sometimes a threshold dose of some med to make yourself "available" for talk therapy. It can be conquered.

Best to you


Susan
SomebodyAnybody

Big Wall climber
Torrance
Aug 19, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
Please can someone give me advice? I am posting under an anonymous username, but I am a climber of 10 years and do post here under my real name from time to time. I know a few people from this site, but not many. This anonymous post is for personal privacy, I don't want to be tied to mental issues when someone googles my name. I hope you understand.

I have never seen a psych of any kind. I am not depressed. I am not having hallucinations or hearing voices or things like that. I have become highly agitated, distracted, and angry. I find myself repeatedly imagining confrontational episodes and my responses. It is like living through imaginary arguments where I am trying to find the most cutting hurtful and forceful reply. And I go through these imagined scenes over and over and over, working myself into a frenzy. WHen it is at the worst, there are physical symptoms like disrupted sleep, sweaty hands, tension in my body, a feeling of impending doom, and that I may snap.

This is not related to family, and there are not children around, they live with their mom, and she is not the cause either. We are cordial and split many years ago on good terms.

I do not have any suicidal impulses, or self-harm of any kind. I do not use drugs or alcohol. I do not want to be on drugs of any kind, and will refuse any SSRI or depression type drugs. I do not have a high opinion of mental health professionals. But I need help, and I don't know what to do.
Bullwinkle

Boulder climber
Aug 19, 2013 - 03:14pm PT
See a mental health professional, or look for help on a Climbing Forum.
SomebodyAnybody

Big Wall climber
Torrance
Aug 19, 2013 - 05:49pm PT
Thanks Dean, that was helpful. Maybe there are some puppies around that you can kick too.
squishy

Mountain climber
Aug 19, 2013 - 06:49pm PT
Quit whining pansy...
crusher

climber
Santa Monica, CA
Aug 19, 2013 - 06:51pm PT
SA,

Get thee to a therapist now. Specifically one who deals with Generalized Anxiety Disorders. UCLA has a very good staff in this regard and many of their professors also have private practices.

You don't have to take medication. Cognitive Behavioral Therapy helps, if you put the work into it. If you don't like the doctor, find another - they have different personalities and different ways of doing things. Just don't give up and assume it's going to go away. It might, it might not. The good news is that you've noticed something is wrong and you want to do something about it.

There is nothing worse than suffering with it longer than you have to - I did, and I regret not seeking help sooner. I'm not "cured" - I am hardwired as a type A personality and it's part of my DNA...but I do understand it better and have an easier time getting myself through it when it kicks in.

Wishing you the best!
squishy

Mountain climber
Aug 19, 2013 - 07:08pm PT
You guys talk like anxiety is some kind of disease...

Anxiety is perfectly normal, we all have it, we all deal with it.

If you want to talk about anxiety disorders, go right ahead, that's different, but I strongly doubt DMT has a disorder. This sounds to me like normal every day anxiety we all face yet fail to talk about. Everyone is so wrapped up in making sure they look cool and collected on the outside that they fail to ever talk about or admit they share anxiety with like %100 of the population. Just knowing we all share it will help those who think it's abnormal to have it.

So get over it...and if it's debilitating and abnormal or caused by some other disease, seek professional help, not some yahoos in an internet forum...

I have severe anxiety that is caused by being a maniac, but I don't bitch about the anxiety, I bitch about the cause. In this case, the crappy policies of airlines, which I whole heatedly agree with.


You wanna know what helped me with my anxiety? I cut caffeine out of my diet. It helped me keep my heart from racing out of control when I did get anxiety and it helped me sleep better at night. I know of one other substance that helps a lot and I find that the version marked as high in CBD's is what you want. I am currently prescribed a tincture that is high in CBD's and it works like magic. Takes off the edge, gives you a moment to deal with the anxiety (because that's really the only way) and helps you sleep. Comes in a little eye dropper so you can keep and take your medication anywhere..
SomebodyAnybody

Big Wall climber
Torrance
Aug 19, 2013 - 07:14pm PT
Thank you Crusher. I made an appointment, but am afraid I may not follow through. I was very put off by the scheduling episode. My insurance will only cover in-network providers, and I did research on specific doctors in the network and found a few that had reasonable reviews and are accepting patients. Then I called to schedule and the receptionist says the appointment will be for September 21. That's over a month away. I asked if she was joking.

After decades of this, I am finally at the point I can't take it anymore and need help, like now, not next month. I didn't even go to work today because I am so agitated that I'm afraid I will do something or say something that will jeopardize my career. I can't not go to work, well I can for one more day, then require a doctor's note for any additional time. Exercise, meditation, and positive visualization and self talk are all a given, these are already part of my routine. Yet they are not enough right now. This really sucks.

Squish, please go away you are not helping. I mentioned that I do not do drugs period. Not caffeine, not marijuana, not alcohol, not prescriptions. While I would use marijuana and find it somewhat helpful, my employer uses random testing so it is not an option.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2013 - 07:15pm PT
Who said anything about a disorder? I am claustrophobic and I fly for a living. I get uptight about flying delays and endless hours in a tin tube with no prospect of an exit. That ok with you Dr. Squishy? Would you scribe me some Lorzapam please? It really helps.

I canNOT imagine those deep sea mini-subs - the very thought of being hours upon hours from an exit makes my skin crawl.

Space Travel? F*#K! Prison Ship by definition.

DMT
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Aug 19, 2013 - 07:33pm PT
Hope it's still not there for you DMT

Cheers

Edit: If it is still and issue, I have to advance the name Richard Bandler, Frogs Into Princes… I got over plenty after reading it...
crusher

climber
Santa Monica, CA
Aug 19, 2013 - 07:57pm PT
Oh jeez,

I used the word "disorder" - pardon me. When anxiety becomes debilitating it's abnormal, whatever the cause. Often times it's just environmental - your job, life changes, etc. We all have different threshholds for what we can tolerate.

So, forgetting the semantics, this person is suffering and needs some help to get through it. "Manning up" doesn't always do the trick. Let's try some compassion. Nor did I say, or mean to imply, that anyone here has a "disorder" (although that could be argued, it is Supertopo). It's a term and a field of study.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2013 - 09:09pm PT
Oh Jingy that airplane anxiety is just one small piece of my 1st world troubles. I self-medicate, mostly :-D

DMT
mark miller

Social climber
Reno
Aug 19, 2013 - 09:25pm PT
Dude I'm knott going to talk about anxiety disorders on this open forum, but if you want to email me I will give you the low down. Anxiety disorders and Ptsd will put a bullet in your head eventually....Many of us have lived with it for decades before it rears it's ugly head.Don't blow it off, it's the real deal.
squishy

Mountain climber
Aug 19, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
Squish, please go away you are not helping. I mentioned that I do not do drugs period. Not caffeine, not marijuana, not alcohol, not prescriptions. While I would use marijuana and find it somewhat helpful, my employer uses random testing so it is not an option.

ummm, sorry, didn't even see you there, I was talking to DMT.

and based on your reply, I don't really feel bad for the misunderstanding...
tioga

Mountain climber
pac northwest
Aug 20, 2013 - 01:15am PT
1st world troubles they are...we're lucky to be here. We're all hanging here by the thread, trying to stay longer.
Volunteer in animal shelter... they always need someone to clean cages and play with cats/walk dogs...takes the anxiety edge off as you see some animals coming in to be saved, but some to be euthanized--while some will make it as they're deemed fit for adoption and you can make it better for both, even if for a short time...they got reasons for anxiety... but you see how their anxiety seals their fate, literally, and the calm ones are the only ones who make it.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 20, 2013 - 01:20am PT
Yeah well dr squishy your skirt is showing.

DMT
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 20, 2013 - 01:58am PT
Somebody, try reading Mark chapter 5
MisterE

climber
Aug 20, 2013 - 02:12am PT
Dude I'm knott going to talk about anxiety disorders on this open forum, but if you want to email me I will give you the low down. Anxiety disorders and Ptsd will put a bullet in your head eventually....Many of us have lived with it for decades before it rears it's ugly head.Don't blow it off, it's the real deal.

Mark Miller knows what he is talking about. If you are serious about dealing with this, he is a great resource.



Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Aug 20, 2013 - 07:08pm PT
Somebody, try reading Mark chapter 5

 because when dealing with your own inner voices holding you back from a life worth writing about, what you really need is another voice of absolute judgement to clutter your personal imaginary minefield…

Yeah… that's the ticket
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