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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Feb 16, 2013 - 10:35pm PT
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f*#k off
Rudyard Kipling
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or, being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools;
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on";
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch;
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run -
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Feb 16, 2013 - 10:38pm PT
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Don't be an as#@&%e.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Feb 16, 2013 - 10:40pm PT
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No knowledge of nobility for those who are or used to be
truth inspiration humility
those are the tools by which to be.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Feb 16, 2013 - 11:05pm PT
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I hope it wasn't in the car, Tami!!!
LOL!!!
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Feb 16, 2013 - 11:11pm PT
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Feb 16, 2013 - 11:15pm PT
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Damn, man, I'm offended.
Does this bother you?
[Click to View YouTube Video]
I love that song, grew up with it on the radio.
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BooYah
Social climber
Ely, Nv
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Feb 16, 2013 - 11:24pm PT
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I'm pretty damn hard to offend. I'm a MAN.
Hmm?
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Feb 16, 2013 - 11:33pm PT
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You sure don't seem it, with your curmudgeonly bitching and all...
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Feb 16, 2013 - 11:33pm PT
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Dosn't seem like it.
Male .. maybe
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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Feb 16, 2013 - 11:35pm PT
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One mans truth is another mans lies. Your truth has a very hollow ring to it.
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froodish
Social climber
Portland, Oregon
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Feb 16, 2013 - 11:38pm PT
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"In those days spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real
men, women were real women and small furry creatures from Alpha
Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri."
--Douglas Adams
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thekidcormier
Gym climber
squamish, b.c.
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Feb 16, 2013 - 11:43pm PT
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Ontheedge gets offended easily. dont worry about him.
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Rolfr
Social climber
North Vancouver BC
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Feb 17, 2013 - 12:15am PT
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I remember more strong women than men that I have admired, for them............
Im A Strong woman
I have stood firm through my storm and I am still standing
I have rolled down many hills only to find myself standing back up, dust myself off and just to keep it pushing
I have fought through the hardest time in my life only to shine like the strong woman that stands before you now
I have cried a million tears and felt like life was not worth living only to get up the next day to see that the tears had dried up and a new day has come.
I am a strong woman to every part of my soul; I may not look like it but walk a day in my shoes then tell me.
I have seen things that you cannot imagine and still I can see the good in people
I have been made to be this woman that holds the world in her hands and still do not feel as if I belong, I may only be a superwoman to myself but I am who I am and in this world it matter not what you think of me but what I think of me.
I have had lost the best of me and still I push on like it never happened please do not take that lightly it has effect on me like no other but I am while aware of what I need to do to live until God lets me go. I am a strong woman
Kimbaline Navas (she who waits)
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BooYah
Social climber
Ely, Nv
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Feb 17, 2013 - 12:30am PT
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Don't misinterpret, dammit. I imply NOTHING. I was trying to lead towards Integrity. Naive? Certainly.
BUT. It's how I live. F*#k you if you don't like the Truth.
Deal with it.
Misinterpret at Will.
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Feb 17, 2013 - 12:41am PT
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"Do you remember when men were men?"
Sounds like the kind of question a real man would spend a lot of time pondering. Wondering where all the real men went. Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Feb 17, 2013 - 12:42am PT
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Very impressive, Rolfr. However . . .
;>)
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MisterE
Social climber
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Feb 17, 2013 - 12:53am PT
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“In those days spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.”
― Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
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BooYah
Social climber
Ely, Nv
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Feb 17, 2013 - 01:13am PT
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Those that would lie to you or anyone are not Men. They just wear Men's suits, as it were.
Take your medicine?
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Feb 17, 2013 - 01:14am PT
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They didn't CARE if they were "offensive". They told it like they saw it. Truth can and will hurt. Ask THOSE guys if they gave a damn if they stepped on your toes. You might want to draw those toes back, hmm? Your thoughts?
If that is what you are asking people to recall, I would have to say your title ought better to have been "Do You Remember When Men Were Assholes?"
It was only low-quality, boorish people who didn't "care" if they were offensive, same as it is now. Decent men were never intentionally, or uncaringly offensive. Telling it like you saw it was/is great in some situations, but many who "call it like they see it" have faulty perceptions.
Ask if they gave a damn? I am sure the type the OP describes did not/do not. I try to avoid that type of human. They have nothing to offer except a selfish and narcissistic attitude.
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MisterE
Social climber
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Feb 17, 2013 - 01:31am PT
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BooYah - read some Edward Abbey: it will help what ails ya.
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BooYah
Social climber
Ely, Nv
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Feb 17, 2013 - 01:31am PT
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Circles within circles?
Of course. Think about that a bit.
Or watch The News. Those bastards make me want to puke.
So we have THAT in common, Canada Twirly(yes, I've heard of you{I think you RULE, BTW}).
WE must laugh, or we will surely cry(in our beer, perhaps?)
You need to man up a bunch there E guy. I fail to be impressed, not that it should matter to you.
Or does it?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 17, 2013 - 01:37am PT
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Mankind has had a good run. Maybe the wimmen can save it now.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Feb 17, 2013 - 01:42am PT
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http://www.elenakalisphoto.com/portfolio/
“One of the secrets of life is that all that is really worth the doing is what we do for others.”--Lewis Carroll
I remember when men were able to say ridiculous things about other men and be paid for it. I'm not talking about Joe Buck here.
[Click to View YouTube Video]By the power of Johnny "Grayskull" Carson!
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BooYah
Social climber
Ely, Nv
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Feb 17, 2013 - 01:52am PT
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No ponies? Puss.
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MisterE
Social climber
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Feb 17, 2013 - 01:54am PT
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You need to man up a bunch there E guy. I fail to be impressed, not that it should matter to you.
Or does it?
No - not really. My woman thinks I am a real man. Besides that, I could give a fart in the wind what a random internet persona thinks.
Carry on with your...yearning thing.
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Feb 17, 2013 - 02:00am PT
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No ponies? Puss. Booyah- There is no need to be upset.
Life in Supertopia shimmers, life in Supertopia shines,
and I know for absolute certain that everything is certainly fine.
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BooYah
Social climber
Ely, Nv
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Feb 17, 2013 - 02:04am PT
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Ponies are cool.
Nothing personal E guy. You're kind of Glittery & unicorns, though.
Harden the f*#k up.
No conflict of interest implied or intended. A bit touchy, though?
Hehehe. Peace, my brother that can be.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Feb 17, 2013 - 02:11am PT
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I remember when tattoos were a man thing. And earrings were a girl thing. ( unless you got an earring in your right ear, then it's a gay thing )
Still are, actually.
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Feb 17, 2013 - 02:14am PT
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Nothing personal E guy. You're kind of Glittery & unicorns, though.
Harden the f*#k up.
No conflict of interest implied or intended. A bit touchy, though?
Hehehe. Peace, my brother that can be.
Well hold on a sec there Booyah, you know a true brother and friend would help him see the light that shines from a true, true friend...
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Feb 17, 2013 - 02:16am PT
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Oh, goody...the unicorns are here!
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BooYah
Social climber
Ely, Nv
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Feb 17, 2013 - 02:23am PT
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Not so unicorny, out here in the Great Desert.
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Feb 17, 2013 - 02:25am PT
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Oh? Where are you at? Saddle Arabia?
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BooYah
Social climber
Ely, Nv
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Feb 17, 2013 - 02:30am PT
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That's funny. You're a funny dweeb, Da Dweeb.
I figured you got some bunk press on the Wings Of Steel thread, that's all.
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Feb 17, 2013 - 02:32am PT
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I also do weddings and bar mitzvahs.
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Feb 17, 2013 - 02:42am PT
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Supertopia. Where the men are men, the women are men, and the trolls are men who post ponies.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Feb 17, 2013 - 08:23am PT
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If the real men of old had the internet they'd have all been a bunch of simpering whinny pussies too. Or at least that's what you'd have seen, bunch of Mechrists and Apogees. The real men would have stayed off it.
Hey, BTW - where's Ammon, Dean Potter, Hans, Honnold....guys like that? Not seen much. Hmmm. Let me consider that.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Feb 17, 2013 - 10:02am PT
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Real men don't hate on the ponies...RJ
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
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Feb 17, 2013 - 11:50am PT
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Real men definitely don't hate on the ponies! There is a Celtic saying that goes, "Never trust a warrior that doesn't dance." I'd add that, yeah, it's important to be tough when you have to, but to really qualify as a man is to do what needs to be done when it needs to be done and especially when it is in the service of others or for a cause that serves others, that serving primarily his own ego diminishes a man, and that real men should be able to cry and to be able to nurture and care for, to protect and guide, and to serve the cause of women to create the world out of their natures. The bigger man isn't the one who is mostly self serving, but who serves something bigger than himself. This is being a man, in my estimation/IMHO!
Then there is the lone wolf kind of man, they do have a certain appeal, though they are mostly only useful to themselves.
The Men Who Don't Fit In*
Robert W. Service
"There's a race of men that don't fit in,
A race that can't stay still;
So they break the hearts of kith and kin,
And they roam the world at will.
They range the field and they rove the flood,
And they climb the mountain's crest;
Theirs is the curse of the gypsy blood,
And they don't know how to rest.
If they just went straight they might go far;
They are strong and brave and true;
But they're always tired of the things that are,
And they want the strange and new.
They say: "Could I find my proper groove,
What a deep mark I would make!"
So they chop and change, and each fresh move
Is only a fresh mistake.
And each forgets, as he strips and runs
With a brilliant, fitful pace,
It's the steady, quiet, plodding ones
Who win in the lifelong race.
And each forgets that his youth has fled,
Forgets that his prime is past,
Till he stands one day, with a hope that's dead,
In the glare of the truth at last.
He has failed, he has failed; he has missed his chance;
He has just done things by half.
Life's been a jolly good joke on him,
And now is the time to laugh.
Ha, ha! He is one of the Legion Lost;
He was never meant to win;
He's a rolling stone, and it's bred in the bone;
He's a man who won't fit in."
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Feb 17, 2013 - 11:52am PT
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The last of the real men are headin to the fortress right now!
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10b4me
Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
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Feb 17, 2013 - 11:59am PT
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I guess nothing much happens in Ely
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Feb 17, 2013 - 12:10pm PT
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Force....that's some good sh#t there..RJ
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Feb 17, 2013 - 01:22pm PT
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Truth is not the province of "Men".
What you are pining for is this:
Here’s a phrase new to me — although certainly not the behavior it describes — male answer syndrome. This weekend, the NPR show On The Media will examine this habit of answering a question with great certainty even when you have no idea what you’re talking about.
You are looking with great fondness at stupidity.
What is called in a father cold aloofness and brutality toward his children
What is called in a partner abusive
You may think this is what makes a "Man", it is what I think makes a mouse.
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Feb 17, 2013 - 01:23pm PT
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it's important to be tough when you have to, but to really qualify as a man is to do what needs to be done when it needs to be done and especially when it is in the service of others or for a cause that serves others, that serving primarily his own ego diminishes a man, and that real men should be able to cry and to be able to nurture and care for, to protect and guide, and to serve the cause of women to create the world out of their natures. The bigger man isn't the one who is mostly self serving, but who serves something bigger than himself.
Well stated, Mark.
There is a Celtic saying that goes, "Never trust a warrior that doesn't dance."
An excellent quote. I think I will incorporate this one into my practicum.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Feb 17, 2013 - 01:33pm PT
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WTF is wrong with unicorns?
You men need to HTFU.
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DanaB
climber
CT
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Feb 17, 2013 - 02:09pm PT
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No, I don't remember. What was it like?
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Feb 17, 2013 - 02:19pm PT
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Moose, LOL!
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dee ee
Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
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Feb 17, 2013 - 02:46pm PT
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...and sheep ran scared.
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Karen
Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
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Feb 17, 2013 - 03:36pm PT
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I count myself lucky cause my Man is a real Man. Has Integrity, thoughtful, kind, patient, a hard worker, not scared to try new adventures, opens my door and has a lot of old time values so many Men today have tossed.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Feb 17, 2013 - 03:56pm PT
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Karen,
Not all of us have forgotten how to give their coat to a lady on a cold night, open doors, or seat a woman at a table. There are still chivalrous men out there.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Feb 17, 2013 - 05:19pm PT
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Ken....Although Male answer syndrome is often confused with Male as#@&%e syndrome , they are both one and the same...
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Feb 17, 2013 - 06:02pm PT
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Ron...That picture you took credit for could get you sued in Nevada....RJ
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Feb 17, 2013 - 07:43pm PT
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Ron...My unicorn poops all over you Nevadans'...RJ
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Oplopanax
Mountain climber
The Deep Woods
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Feb 17, 2013 - 07:52pm PT
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I read where if you use your left hand it feels more like a real wimmin
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Feb 17, 2013 - 07:53pm PT
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RJ, apparently, unicorns poop on everything.
I'm cool with that.
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The Call Of K2 Lou
climber
Squamish
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Feb 17, 2013 - 08:15pm PT
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I read where if you use your left hand it feels more like a real wimmin
Unless you're a lefty, then it just feels more calloused.
They didn't CARE if they were "offensive". They told it like they saw it. Truth can and will hurt. Ask THOSE guys if they gave a damn if they stepped on your toes.
Back when men apparently didn't care about being offensive, real men actually kept their damn traps shut and got on with the job.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Feb 17, 2013 - 08:17pm PT
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Exactly. And I'm a lefty.
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Some Random Guy
climber
In a chair, drinkin' a beer, watchin' the show
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Feb 17, 2013 - 09:56pm PT
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If the real men of old had the internet they'd have all been a bunch of simpering whinny pussies too. Or at least that's what you'd have seen, bunch of Mechrists and Apogees. The real men would have stayed off it.
they would have stayed home by themselves jacking off to gay internet porn
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Feb 17, 2013 - 10:31pm PT
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Where is BURT BRONSON when you need him???
;>)
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Michelle
Social climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
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Feb 17, 2013 - 11:18pm PT
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LONG LIVE BURT BRONSON!
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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Feb 17, 2013 - 11:25pm PT
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Arnold looks like he's about to crack up in that video.
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MisterE
Social climber
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Feb 17, 2013 - 11:40pm PT
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Unless you have had a sex change
Men are still men.
Just sayin'.
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Some Random Guy
climber
In a chair, drinkin' a beer, watchin' the show
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Feb 18, 2013 - 12:50am PT
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very true. but I don't think the old skool true manly men were allowed to be gay. that would have defiled their manly ethics. they had to keep it on the down low.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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Feb 18, 2013 - 01:03am PT
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Not touching that.
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Feb 18, 2013 - 02:35am PT
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Feb 18, 2013 - 03:46am PT
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--Thirteen Moons, Ch. Frazier
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Feb 18, 2013 - 07:44am PT
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Oh, the good old days when men were men and sheep were scared...
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Feb 18, 2013 - 12:29pm PT
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Does having ass-antlers disqualify you from being a man...?
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Anastasia
climber
Home
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Feb 18, 2013 - 12:30pm PT
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BooYah,
Your first post... You were talking about Bill, right?
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Feb 18, 2013 - 03:09pm PT
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^^^ lol have u ever been banned there pardo? Seem to be a little wound up, try posting to a climbing thread for your first time maybe. Lots of good ones right now.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Feb 18, 2013 - 03:17pm PT
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Hi, Roxjox.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Feb 18, 2013 - 03:21pm PT
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Real men have wolves that crap in the sage...Feck those ponies and unies......
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Anastasia
climber
Home
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Feb 18, 2013 - 03:25pm PT
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Have a sense of humor folks... Life is not serious, you'll be dead tomorrow and trust me none of this will matter. Only thing that registers on the long term scale, only thing that last after death is love.
This motto will save your sanity, make your life richer, more fulfilling, accomplished, etc. Plus a whole lot less drama!
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Feb 18, 2013 - 03:39pm PT
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I'd have to put my grandfather in the "real man" category.
He was a full-time cattle rancher and a full-time log truck driver for more years then I even know...his handle was "Cattle Baron" haha.
One winter morning - this had to be when he was in his early 60's - he was throwing a binder chain on the first load of the day. A link broke, and the come along came swinging down and hit his feet, knocking him on his ass.
He laid under the truck for about 30 minutes, and finally managed to get back in the truck. He could barely move his left foot.
He tied up his laces as tight as he could - this being the clutch foot on a '69 Pete - drove 6 loads, went home, saw to the cattle, had dinner, then went to the hospital. Ankle shattered in three places.
Good luck finding that level of tough or that work ethic in today's generation. It seems to me that many "real men" and "real women" existed in my grandfather and my father's times - the current generation and especially the next will never come close. Scary.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Feb 18, 2013 - 03:47pm PT
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I remember one night when men were women, but I don't want to talk about it.
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