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Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Feb 19, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
Or do you just feel down with the cause when it comes to what really happened and are presumptuous about being respected by a stranger for you opinions in a bad situation ?

I re-read this and it still makes no sense. I thought you were trying to ask a serious question. If you have an honest question put it in words that are understandable to me and I will give you an honest answer.

As for your last post, I will respond to that also, when I have more time. Since that's off topic here, it might needs its own thread.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Feb 19, 2013 - 02:12pm PT
There could not be a worse case in which to judge police conduct. I think we all knew that this would be the outcome. Quite possible there was no other outcome. Dorner did not seem like the sort of fellow who wanted to be judged by his peers.

As to the libel, about the last thing any lawyer wants to here is a potential internet libel/slander/defamation case. Do not sue, just fill out a ButtHurt Report and get on with life.

Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Feb 19, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
Dave Kos

Social climber
Feb 19, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
I just looked over that form and realized that I have been the victim of ButtHurt far more often than I realized.

Looks like I've got some paperwork to do.

It's gonna be another 90 hour work week....

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Ely, Nv
Feb 19, 2013 - 10:32pm PT
Your a Major DICK, Coz. But I figger you knew that.
More murder does not make murder ok.

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 19, 2013 - 10:36pm PT
hey roxie

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 19, 2013 - 10:39pm PT
John, I think the above concept is a abrogation to any responsibility for anything that goes on.


It is an observation of reality.

Feb 19, 2013 - 11:43pm PT
Largo et al make good points but the thing not addressed is the "thin blue line" aspect. Unfortunately, they have to react the way they did. There's really not much stopping the bad guys, it's all an illusion, and that illusion must be kept up with 1 million dollar rewards and total PD swarming and gang mentality, otherwise any one can think it's kosher to kill a cop. Then where would we be? There just not much stopping the dark side from overtaking humans better instincts (in the physical sense). It keeps us "safe", the cops reacting as they did, even though I'm super disappointed in their reaction personally, wish they could have held themselves to a higher standard. Plus, they totally f*#ked up in the end and made a Robin Hood out of the guy.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 20, 2013 - 01:48am PT

Md. man with Down syndrome who died in police custody loved law enforcement

"As officials tell it, Saylor had been watching “Zero Dark Thirty” at a Frederick movie theater last month and, as soon as it ended, wanted to watch it again. When he refused to leave, a theater employee called three off-duty Frederick County sheriff’s deputies who were working a security job at the Westview Promenade shopping center and told them that Saylor either needed to buy another ticket or be removed."

"Cpl. Jennifer Bailey, a spokeswoman for the sheriff’s office, said Saylor cursed at the deputies, who weren’t wearing uniforms, and began hitting and kicking them. The deputies restrained him using three sets of handcuffs linked together and escorted him from the theater. At some point, Saylor ended up on the ground and began showing signs of medical distress. A short while later, he was pronounced dead at a local hospital."

"Late last week, the Chief Medical Examiner’s Office in Baltimore ruled Saylor’s death a homicide as a result of asphyxia."

So lets see, the official story is that this guy with Down's Syndrome died from Acute Handcuffing Syndrome.

Sound right to you, or can you imagine that the cops are lying (again)?

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Feb 20, 2013 - 11:54pm PT


Ever since “going postal” massacres first appeared in the public sector, in US post offices in the mid-1980s, they have tended to follow a familiar script. The murderer “snaps” for no apparent reason; official culture blames it all on Hollywood or guns, never explaining why these workplace massacres only appeared in the mid-late 80s; and later, as it turns out, there were a lot of reasons for the gunman to snap. If you profile the workplace that created the murderer, rather profiling the murderer’s psychology, you will often find a pattern of shocking workplace abuse and of top-down mistreatment of employees, culminating in the “going postal” rampage. The consequent killing spree will target supervisors, fellow employees, and anyone associated with the institution that the abused employee blames for having crushed him (or her).

The LAPD is a textbook example of one of the most abusive public sector employers in America today — and this context, along with the details of Dorner’s firing and his appeals, are the real missing pieces in the puzzle.

Dorner was put out on the field with a supervising officer, a 42-year-old woman named Teresa Evans. According to Dorner, Evans was “angry” and sadistic. His legal filings repeatedly reference an incident in which Evans was arrested by Long Beach police for “domestic violence” in June 2007, resulting in an apparent demotion for Evans. Dorner also reported that Evans “slapped” his hands on at least two occasions, and that in one incident when they detained a woman in her mid-70s, Evans “tore the skin off” the old woman’s forearm, requiring medical treatment. In court documents, LAPD investigators never deny Evans’ arrest for domestic violence, but instead dismiss it as immaterial in their case against Dorner for false testimony.

For her part, Teresa Evans claimed that Dorner was overly emotional, citing an incident in which Dorner supposedly began “weeping” while out on patrol, begging to be put through LAPD reintegration training.

On July 28, 2007, Dorner and Sgt. Evans responded to a reported disturbance at a Doubletree Hotel. The suspect, a paranoid-schizophrenic named Christopher Gettler, refused to comply. Dorner, despite his great size and strength, was unable to subdue Gettler long enough to cuff him. They fell forward into some bushes as Teresa Evans shot him twice with a Taser, and then — according to Dorner — she kicked Gettler three times: first softly on the clavicle, then again more roughly, and a third swift kick to Gettler’s eye.

Gettler’s eye swelled and bled. Teresa Evans claimed that he’d cut himself in the bushes. Ultimately, there were no reliable witnesses to testify that Evans had or hadn’t kicked Gettler, and his father, who was deferential to the police due to numerous incidents involving his son over the years, didn’t bother pressing charges. Gettler gave video testimony backing up Dorner's version of events — that Evans kicked him three times, once in the face below the eye — but Gettler's testimony was ruled inadmissible.

The case against Dorner, in public and in the police Board of Rights, rests largely on the theory that Dorner sought revenge after supposedly getting a bad review from Teresa Evans, and his revenge was falsely reporting her for police misconduct.

However, court filings paint a different sequence of events: For one thing, although Evans’ evaluation did cite “improvement needed” in a few areas, overall she gave him a “satisfactory” review, not “unsatisfactory.” Moreover, while it’s true that Dorner reported the kicking to Sgt. Perez the day after Teresa Evans submitted her evaluation on Dorner, he didn’t see her evaluation until several weeks later, well after he’d reported her for police misconduct. But the most important point Dorner and his attorneys kept trying to get across was that Evans' evaluation was "satisfactory" — her evaluation would not have hurt Dorner's career.

Chris Dorner’s bad luck, if that’s the right way of putting it, was that he went to bat defending the civil rights of a mentally ill suspect whose testimony was ruled inadmissible as evidence; it essentially came down to Evans’ word (and the word of her police colleagues) against Dorner’s (and the few friends he’d made on the force), along with the incomplete testimony of nearby hotel witnesses. What began as whistleblowing turned into a trial on the character of a new recruit, Christopher Dorner, who now had to prove to the heavily-stacked Board of Rights that he hadn’t lied when he reported Evans for misconduct.

Speaking about this process, attorney Stormer told me, “I am 100% certain that the Board of Rights process is unfair.”

Stormer added, however, another giant caveat about Dorner that his adoring fans have been ignoring: “But this does raise another issue — that Dorner could’ve been the type who would’ve snapped as an officer on duty at any time.”
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