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Woody the Beaver

Trad climber
Soldier, Idaho
Feb 13, 2013 - 01:08pm PT
Low-grade weekender checking in on this topic! My son is 26 now, and he's found his own way to climbing, without any encouragement from me. (I'm tickled about it, by the way, and I love climbing with him.) I thought about it a lot when he was a little guy, and it seemed to me, on reflection, that since climbing has a lot of the mortal business in it, that I wanted him to get there -- if at all -- through a pull, rather than a push. And that's the way it happened; he found his own way. I owe the climbing world a lot, but I wouldn't blithely recommend this path to anybody else who might think that it's a simply wholesome thing to do. I remember some darkness, some scary stuff in my own attraction to the life. It's funny to see the distinct differences between Jeff and me: he's a sweet technician and up-floater, and I'm a swearing grab-and-pull guy. He's as measured as I am impetuous. Very interesting. Glad to be here, and thanks for the thread.
duncan

climber
London, UK
Feb 13, 2013 - 01:15pm PT
Interesting topic for a newish Dad.

I have no concerns about introducing my offspring to sport-climbing or bouldering. I don't think these are much more dangerous than daily life and the benefits of regular, lifelong, outdoor exercise far outweigh the small risks.

Offspring, aged 2 3/4, on a white circuit at Fontainbleau:



I'd be delighted if said offspring enjoyed rock-climbing, I'd love to share with him something that's important to me. I'd be less enthusiastic if he went on to put up new routes in the Himalyas. I suspect he will humour his Dad for a little then go off and do something to his own tastes. That is as it should be. Whatever you say to them, they do what they want to, eventually.


Some data (skip this bit if you don't believe in science or numbers)

Rough estimate of the risk involved from (trad.) rock climbing: 0.06-0.3 deaths per 1000 participants per year (a bit less risky than driving a car). The 'background risk' of a young person dying in the UK is 0.52 deaths per 1000 population per year, mostly car crashes, suicide and a few murders.

Mountaineering is an entirely different matter. The risk of climbing big mountains - Matterhorn, Mont Blanc, Denali etc. - is about 1-3 deaths per 1000 ascents/attempts; in the big mountains (8000m+ and exploratory 7000m+)
it's 5-50 deaths per 1000 ascents/attempts.

Chance of a committed Alpinist/Mountaineer dying in harness is around 3% to 30% over their lifetime. Too high odds for me.

[mostly from Mark Stevenson here]



Sport-climbing, gym climbing and bouldering offers a negligible increase in danger over life in general. Sure John Long smashes his leg (after 40 years in the sport) but a non-climbing Largo is as likely to have fallen down stairs or have a heart-attack playing tennis. Trad. climbing is about 10x more dangerous then sport-climbing but not more dangerous than driving regularly. Easy alpine climbing is 100x more dangerous than sport. Himalyan mountaineering is 1000x more dangerous.

This fits with my personal experience of people I've known dying climbing. I can think of a dozen or so, all on mountains, none on rocks.




GhoulweJ

Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
Feb 13, 2013 - 01:27pm PT
I just toured the Louisville Slugger bat factory...
Awesome Americana sports tour.
ALMOST made baseball cool again.

Maybe he should just play ball?
Todd Gordon

Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
Feb 13, 2013 - 09:28pm PT
Dad;....you can't make me go climbing...



Todd Gordon

Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
Feb 13, 2013 - 09:31pm PT
I know you wanted a ninteno wii for your birthday, son....but I got you these hangers instead;.....give something back to the community..

Todd Gordon

Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
Feb 13, 2013 - 09:34pm PT
I guess they DO sort of look like rock climbers.......what the heck;....I'll drop them off at the Pit w/Phil and happiegirl and see if they can hang....

Todd Gordon

Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
Feb 13, 2013 - 09:37pm PT
You hang-doggin', son?......you are grounded;....go to your room....



Both of you are grounded.....

Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Feb 13, 2013 - 09:37pm PT
Great thread, thanks all. Wish I had had kids too.
Todd Gordon

Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
Feb 13, 2013 - 09:40pm PT
Todd Gordon

Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
Feb 13, 2013 - 09:40pm PT
Todd Gordon

Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
Feb 13, 2013 - 09:41pm PT




Todd Gordon

Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
Feb 13, 2013 - 09:47pm PT
"I want a port-a-ledge, a haulbag, some draws, and a new bouldering pad,a prana beanie, and some clove cigarettes........."....."I've been good this year, Santa..."...

Todd Gordon

Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
Feb 13, 2013 - 09:49pm PT
OWth training, son.....it happens to everyone, son.....If you want to climb in Canyonlands, or the Valley;...get used to it....

Todd Gordon

Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
Feb 13, 2013 - 09:52pm PT




Todd Gordon

Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
Feb 13, 2013 - 09:59pm PT
Pick a bed-time story;......15 climbs in Sedona that don't suck.....again;.....OK....but aren't you tired of that book...I've read it to you at least 100 times, Von....

Todd Gordon

Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
Feb 13, 2013 - 10:05pm PT
Climbing isn't even a sport,...it's a hobby or pastime;...baseball is a sport...a real sport....

S.Leeper

Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
Feb 13, 2013 - 10:14pm PT
I take my 10 year old climbing almost every Sunday, but I'm am still wondering if he enjoys the climbing, or if he just likes spending time with dad and he is just humoring me.
Credit: S.Leeper
S.Leeper

Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
Feb 13, 2013 - 10:15pm PT
Credit: S.Leeper
Todd Gordon

Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
Feb 13, 2013 - 10:39pm PT
Climbing;..out.............tennis;..in...



Chicks dig rock stars...not rock climbers...(one hit single is all that it takes....)....

Todd Gordon

Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
Feb 13, 2013 - 10:52pm PT
Once upon a time.....

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