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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 28, 2013 - 01:50pm PT
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Just bought an iphone about 3 days ago, and have been studying it intensely ever since. Someone made a application where people can input photos and details of boulder problems - http://iphone.bouldr.net/ - reminds me of the supertopo effort.
Would be nice to have a topo map and panoramic photo of the route detail on longer routes too. Imagine being on pitch 15 of some obscure route on El Cap and pulling up all the beta on your phone.
That's the problem with technologies, they keep changing and you have to move with it or become obsolete. Now they just need to make the phone batteries last longer and the screens so they don't crack, upgrade camera to go-pro resolution and you'd have a great climbing tool.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jan 28, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
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I have never been a big fan of Apple, but my wife has an iphone and last night whilst driving down the freeway I logged into the ST and linked out to watch the Dean Potter video, all without any problem except for the size of the display and my fingers being too big and clumsy to navigate the tiny keyboad.
Pretty cool I must admit.
Apparently, you can link up an iPad through the iphone which reduces the magniturde of the two problems above, but costs more (the Apple solution).
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jan 28, 2013 - 02:15pm PT
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It shouldn't cost any more to "link" the ipad through the iphone. As long as your iPhone plan allows for the use of Hot Spot you can then wifi your iPad to your iPhone and watch on the bigger screen.
It's what I do....
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jan 28, 2013 - 02:19pm PT
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zBrown - an android phone/tablet will easily do anything an Apple product will do, at a fraction of the price.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Jan 28, 2013 - 02:22pm PT
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Just bought an iphone about 3 days ago, and have been studying it intensely ever since
Me too. Had a high-end Android and am never going back. The retina display is mindbending. And as a product of excellence in industial design, it belongs in MOMA's collection. I have not had any of the Apple kool-aid, but the iPhone is a damn fine tool.
PS -- as for price -- got mine for .99 cents, but I had to pay the tax (~$50.00). And my monthly service charge went down from my LG Andriod.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 28, 2013 - 02:25pm PT
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zBrown, its an incredible toy. Maybe just another thing to distract you and keep you from paying attention to real life. You can get an iphone 3GS for about $75 on e-bay, then I am using net10 for service, which is unlimited voice and data for $50 per month. There are dozens of features on it that are a big technical leap for me - for example, pandora lets you listen to practically every song in the world for free, there's a GPS program in it, you can do video calls with skype, make video playlists with youtube, and thousands of other things. It instantly became my favorite possession. Haven't used this forum yet but that will probably follow me around everywhere now, too.
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Some Random Guy
climber
San Franpsycho (a.k.a. a token of my extreme)
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Jan 28, 2013 - 03:35pm PT
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mountain project has an app for free at the moment. soon you will have to pay for it though. you can download whatever area you want and it is on your phone. that way you don't even need cell service. it has all the info that is on the website. beta/pics/topos/approach
http://www.mountainproject.com/mobileApps
i held out as long as i could before getting a smart phone or apple products. always thought they were way over priced. then i got an iphone 5. it's freakin' nice! the 4g lte is as about as fast as wifi. then i upgraded my failing pos windows computer. got an imac. i have now been assimilated. i'm all apple and will never go back. windows based systems are garbage! apple is pricy but you do get quality.
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Some Random Guy
climber
San Franpsycho (a.k.a. a token of my extreme)
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Jan 28, 2013 - 03:42pm PT
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so this leads me to a suggestion for cmac.
you should make available all your topos for smart phones. pdf or some other versions that are optimized for smart phones. make them downloadable individually or as sets or groups of areas or something like that. or even just the electronic versions of the current books that can easily be browsed on a phone. buha! i expect some kickback buddy :)
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 28, 2013 - 03:51pm PT
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Yes I posted it with cmac in mind. The mountain project app looks good but it looks like a closed system, ie someone else writes it and you read it. I like the wikipedia model better where there's community involvement and editing. Plus this website is really very simple and with just a few tweaks it would fit on an iphone screen. It's the future, for sure.
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froodish
Social climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jan 28, 2013 - 03:53pm PT
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The SuperTopo PDFs load just fine on iOS devices. Just drag them into iTunes and sync.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jan 28, 2013 - 04:12pm PT
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I guess one of the questions is, Why isn't a phone an "app" on the iPad?
or is it?
The other is why no USB on the iPad?
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briham89
Big Wall climber
san jose, ca
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Jan 28, 2013 - 04:15pm PT
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The SuperTopo PDFs load just fine on iOS devices. Just drag them into iTunes and sync.
^this
I have the supertopo big walls book in PDF version and I can access it on iBooks on my phone. You don't even have to sink. Just email it yourself and open it in iBooks
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jan 28, 2013 - 04:31pm PT
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I guess one of the questions is, Why isn't a phone an "app" on the iPad?
or is it?
The other is why no USB on the iPad?
You can download Skype to an iPad and you will have phone service
Here is a link for adding USB to the iPad
http://www.hypershop.com/iFlashDrive-vs-iUSBport-s/210.htm
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jan 28, 2013 - 04:33pm PT
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thanks John and nature
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Jan 28, 2013 - 05:35pm PT
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PDFs are even better in adobe reader app. iBooks is all slow and clumsy!!
And the flip function is super annoying.
The 4g is really nice and had the same amazing camera as the 5!
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Jan 28, 2013 - 05:45pm PT
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I guess one of the questions is, Why isn't a phone an "app" on the iPad
There is no SIM card in an iPad. Probably some rf hardware missing too? Not sure if wireless is the same standard as cell yet these days.
The other is why no USB on the iPad?
That's apple for ya...
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Some Random Guy
climber
San Franpsycho (a.k.a. a token of my extreme)
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Jan 28, 2013 - 05:51pm PT
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yeah i thought about emailing pdf's to myself and opening them but then i also thought that the viewing would be crappy and didn't bother trying it. thought there might be resolution problems. guess not! awesome i'm gonna try it right now.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Jan 28, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
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Get adobe PDF too
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froodish
Social climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jan 28, 2013 - 05:55pm PT
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There is no SIM card in an iPad.
There is on the "cellular" models (not on the WiFi only models). .
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Jan 28, 2013 - 05:57pm PT
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There you go. I bet they are more expensive?
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Some Random Guy
climber
San Franpsycho (a.k.a. a token of my extreme)
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Jan 28, 2013 - 06:01pm PT
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$130 across the board more expensive. just checked out of curiosity
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jan 28, 2013 - 06:19pm PT
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A case will help a lot to prevent damage. I have a Speck candyshell on my iPhone but a Griffin Survivor protects better (I got one for my iPad after my kids broke the screen).
Top of the line Android and iOS devices are both great and both similar in cost. Pros and cons for both. I like the open access of Android, my old iPhone was jailbroken (you break into the OS and can add apps not approved by apple) but I haven't needed it so I don't know if I can with my new iPhone).
The biggest advantage of Apple for me is ease of use and time savings (because it's easy to figure out and so many things can happen automatically). I can take photos of a climb and walk in the door to my house and it syncs automatically over wifi, I can turn on my TV with AppleTV and my photos are there ready to be viewed. The photos and other stuff like contacts, calendars, bookmarks, etc. sync through iCloud so my wife's phone and my iPad are also automatically updated. You can probably do all that stuff with Android but I doubt it's as easy and quick to setup.
One thing Android can't do is free instant messages with almost all my friends and families that are on iOS devices with iMessage, I don't pay for a texting plan. And facetime is a great easy to use video conferencing tool. I know Android or even other apps do it, but my folks and my inlaws can use facetime, it's super easy.
Apples customer service is also awesome. I brought my iPad in to an apple store with a cracked screen and even though it was caused by an impact they replaced it on the spot. Of course I sweet talked the girl there and they could have charged me, but a lot of other people I know have been well taken care of by Apple.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Jan 28, 2013 - 06:37pm PT
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Griffin Survivor protects better
I have one. They are bomber. ya the phone is a little fat and the edges can be hard to get to and the touchscreen, but once you get used to it, it's bomber. Protects the camera too.
my phone feels naked without it.
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Some Random Guy
climber
San Franpsycho (a.k.a. a token of my extreme)
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Jan 28, 2013 - 06:47pm PT
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the fet, sounds like you've been assimilated as well!
awwwww snap. i just put the valley super topo book on my iphone and it looks good. all the detail is there. views great with the retina display. crystal clear.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jan 28, 2013 - 11:22pm PT
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$130 across the board more expensive. just checked out of curiosity
and what's the combined cost of an iPad and iphone
and is it necessarily $130 more in cost
I don't know, just thinking out loud
OT: Doesn't it frustrate you when you pause a process; forget that you paused it and come back 4 hours later and wonder why it hasn't finished?
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Jan 28, 2013 - 11:53pm PT
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Apples customer service is also awesome. I brought my iPad in to an apple store with a cracked screen and even though it was caused by an impact they replaced it on the spot. Of course I sweet talked the girl there and they could have charged me, but a lot of other people I know have been well taken care of by Apple.
Yep. In this respect Apple is sort of the Patagonia of cellphones.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jan 29, 2013 - 09:24am PT
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Now, who is the beneficiary of such a law. I thought Congress was in a state of permanent gridlock. This one must be very important to have gotten through.
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portent
climber
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Jan 29, 2013 - 09:29am PT
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
Jan 28, 2013 - 11:19am PT
zBrown - an android phone/tablet will easily do anything an Apple product will do, at a fraction of the price.
That's bullshit unless you maybe have a Samsung galaxy, complete bullsh#t.
Fraction of the price maybe but that's about it.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jan 29, 2013 - 09:46am PT
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^i have one of those Samsungs. May be time for a mammoth 'phone off slap down'.
Apple iPad jumps to 128GB, starting at $799
It's still the fourth-generation device, but beefier. A cellular-enabled version of the higher-capacity iPad costs $929.
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portent
climber
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Jan 29, 2013 - 09:52am PT
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Ha you made a good choice. I had three different androids and the most they did was make calls and send emails. Couldn't get videos to load to save my life and the cameras for the most part are garbage. You dodged a bullet with the Samsung!! :)
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jan 29, 2013 - 09:54am PT
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zBrown.... consider the source
portent +10
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 29, 2013 - 12:47pm PT
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What? And deal with the ethical quagmire surrounding an iFlash vs. an iOnsight vs. an iRedpoint?
No thanks!
Although, if the boobs thread were still around, it could help with training...
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jan 29, 2013 - 03:15pm PT
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I will admit that Apple does make a nice product. However I have a problem with the business model of making everything proprietary. iTunes is a great example. Apple screwed the pooch when they sued Franklin in the early 80s. Apple computers lost market share and IBM took over the computer market as a direct result.
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