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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 28, 2013 - 12:02am PT
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Anyone lived off the grid for awhile and then bought into the grid and power cabling run out to your place?
How much was it?
Also, if you wanted to pave a dirt road with asphalt, how much per mile?
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Jan 28, 2013 - 12:14am PT
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Munge,, you need to call the utility that would be your provider. Prices vary incredibly from free to hundreds of thousands. Factors are distance, terrain, underground/aerial, soils, legal rights of way, existing power available at the present distribution (namely would the utility have to upgrade in the neighborhood distribution in order to newly serve you too?), your expected load (the more load you would connect, the more likely the utility will pay more of a share.
Roadways are similar. You need to call paving contractors. Factors are quantity, drainage control, soils, legal rights of way if any, how competent of a roadbed you want, how wide it has to be (don't screw the width up, check with County on this, Fire will want a minimum width based on properties served and their uses), distance from the quarries for both rock and asphalt concrete, and so on.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 28, 2013 - 12:25am PT
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gah! You're right, of course.
But I guess there goes any chance of ballparking it.
Good call on the fire-width.
In reality, I would pick a place that's move in ready, but man oh man, I found a sweet place in the forest, just needs power and I'm suspecting pavement for the road (so that I can have it plowed in winter... more money, blech.)
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 28, 2013 - 01:13am PT
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First ya want power. And then ya want a paved phukking road?
HARDEN THE PHUK UP!
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Guck
Trad climber
Santa Barbara, CA
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Jan 28, 2013 - 01:28am PT
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Seven years ago, when I built my home, I had the option to connect to the grid or stay off. I chose to stay off as it was then cheaper; The utility (SCE) wanted to have a 4 inch conduit buried 24 inches deep. I was not going to use very big cables (single house with a 200 Amp panel), and they agreed that even a 4/0 was overkill. Yet they wanted the 4 inch conduit to be able to pull the cables easily. They wanted to sell me the cable and the transformer. Their "bid" for the 200 foot project was then $18,000. Being off the grid disqualified me for any subsidies and still the break even point was reached within 3 years (I have a 6KW - 48V system with 1800 Amp-hours of batteries). I would save for a decent road!
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jan 28, 2013 - 01:41am PT
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If you found Shangra-La, reconsider your concepts.
For the amount of money to pave, you can probably buy a small tractor to do your own clearing.
Running a home on solar is becoming easier and easier, not to mention cheaper.
I know a wonderful couple, Marge and Vern Biehl, who have lived off the grid for 30 years, and have a wonderful, comfortable home that I've visited.
" We also live very cheaply. We've survived with a small solar power system that runs our 12 volt lights, 12 volt refrig, our 110 TV & DVD player. We use a wood cook stove for heat and cooking in the winter. We have a really kick ass solar hot water heater, and another water heater in a smaller wood stove that is out in the shop, for those cloudy days. We don't have a washer or dryer, we do our laundry by hand. A friend found an antique hand wringer that we use, and of course, We have "a solar clothes dryer" — the sun."
From the NPR writeup on them:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/daydreaming/2008/07/marge_and_verns_9000_foot_ca_d_1.html
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jan 28, 2013 - 04:17am PT
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Check this out.
http://bit.ly/10XNu7o
Do it yourself solar photo-voltaic roof shingles.
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Norwegian
Trad climber
Pollock Pines, California
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Jan 28, 2013 - 04:26am PT
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i ran 3/4 of a mile of
underground utilities.
i did all the labor myself,
renting small equipment.
this was 7 years ago
but the materials (sand / pipe), rental equipment,
the meter and the
services provided by the utility
company (power line installation)
was about 10k.
no idea on the road.
asphalt cement is
expensive to lay, and high maintenance.
just put gravel down is my advice.
merry domesticating.
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Gunkie
Trad climber
East Coast US
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Jan 28, 2013 - 08:08am PT
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Ran an underground power line about 500 feet from the road to a pad site, near the Gunks, back in 1999. It cost about $1500 for the heavy iron guy to trench the line and back fill once the line @ transformer were in place. The heavy iron guy had to trench into some of that shale that comprises the base of the Gunks, which added to the cost. The power company laid the line and put the transformer on its own pad for a small fee. Maybe $500?
If I had chosen to go with overhead power, the cost would have been significantly less. Probably $800 total to the power company and no need for the heavy iron guy.
Regrading a road/driveway. That cost us a lot because we had to cut into a bunch of the aforementioned shale to put a road bed in and we had to install a guardrail along one section as the hill rolled off steeply to one side. Probably 700 feet of gravel driveway, with a guardrail cost us $40k... like 50% the cost of the original property.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 28, 2013 - 09:41am PT
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Hey, thx for the stories and insights all. Very helpful. Shangri la needs amenities, unfortunately. Not just me up there. ��
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slabbo
Trad climber
fort garland, colo
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Jan 28, 2013 - 10:00am PT
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Munge- off the grid by nearly 4 miles out here. I got a power quote even though I knew I was going solar (I am a solar tech) $110,000 ! That was 2007
You can easy get plenty of power for $10K with solar , assuming you have a decent sun site.
Remember also that many counties require lines to be buried, WAY more $$$$$
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Norwegian
Trad climber
Pollock Pines, California
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Jan 28, 2013 - 10:05am PT
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a solar setup for our place was
equivalent in expense to
that of running power lines,
but we could not secure
a construction loan to
build a home off the grid.
the system kinda funnels you
away from extra-ordinary.
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slabbo
Trad climber
fort garland, colo
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Jan 28, 2013 - 10:15am PT
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True- sometimes the same with insurance and things like auto start generators...Insurance companies seem obsessed about pipe freeze above all else.
i don't have many neighbors, but some who have sold had to carry the note on house sales.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Jan 28, 2013 - 10:22am PT
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Munge, ditto on what eKat says about dirt/gravel roads for plowing and maintenance.
The paved ones tend to ICE-up when plowed and the sun hits it; where as gravel roads in winter tend to pack-out and rut-in, making them usuable up to a certain clearance point, unless plowed. Plowed gravel roads ice up less than asphalt ones.
How much snow you talking?
...and what aspects of the hill/mountain would the road be on for melt/refreeze and snow depth considerations?
Kevin
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Jan 28, 2013 - 10:31am PT
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I hope you brought your wallet, Rob....;-)
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 28, 2013 - 10:44am PT
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You don't even need to pave.
You just get a cheap 4X4 utility vehicle that would be your shuttle from the main road to the house when condition require.
The Power can be done yourself.
Have the electric utility install the transformer at the road and the utility cabinet for the 220.
Run the wires yourself to the house.
Whatever happened to "Yankee Ingenuity" ???
All that modern education has gone where?
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
bouldering
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Jan 28, 2013 - 10:58am PT
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Run the wires yourself to the house.
Whatever happened to "Yankee Ingenuity" ???
... as simple as running an extension cord from a restroom to a tent - DOH!
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jopay
climber
so.il
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Jan 28, 2013 - 11:39am PT
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The option I chose when I built my house was underground power from the pole which is about 400' from the house.I didn't want overhead wires and I'm glad I chose underground.The overhead would have been several hundred cheaper, and that was twelve years ago and I don't recall the price but I think it was around $1,000. We are on an elect-co-op common here in the mid-west.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 28, 2013 - 11:51am PT
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Just to beclear, this isn't a done deal, this is me eyeballing property and trying to see if the 160k (plus power min) is worth even considering.
Sincere thx,
Yankee idiot
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slabbo
Trad climber
fort garland, colo
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Jan 28, 2013 - 06:02pm PT
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Where you are at is a big concern, solar is very variable and wind is not as good a people say.
That said, if you have a decent site, 10K will get you going and 20K is a lot of power.
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LilaBiene
Trad climber
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Jan 28, 2013 - 07:30pm PT
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TFPU, and thank you to all of the other posters, too. Good stuff.
From,
Another Yankee Idiot
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Jan 28, 2013 - 08:18pm PT
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Check out how power is managed on a big yacht: a bank of 8D-size or golf cart batteries powering 12V lighting, with a 120V inverter for running appliances, charged by solar panels, and/or a marine windmill, and a gas or propane diesel generator for backup during uncooperative weather. You don't have to spend a fortune on all this, as you can get bargains on golf cart batteries from Batteries Plus Inc, get the inverter etc on e-bay, and a good Chinese generator can be gotten amazingly economically. You have the advantage of not needing to be set up for marine conditions. Big advantage over the grid is no monthly bills. Heat using a wood stove with propane and/or diesel backup systems.
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mrtropy
Trad climber
Nor Cal
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Jan 28, 2013 - 08:55pm PT
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What area are you looking at?
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slabbo
Trad climber
fort garland, colo
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Jan 29, 2013 - 11:38am PT
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Tom- what you say about a boat is true but.. "bargain" batteries and inverters generally are crap for full time use.I have seen a lot of cheap stuff die out in less than a year.
12 volt systems are very limited, go with at least a 24V system. The savings in wire alone is worth it (you use thinner wire for higher voltages).
The prices on panels have never been lower than now. Do yourself a favor, buy trojan or surette batteries, flooded lead acid
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Jan 29, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
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a lot, maybe most of the folks around here are off the grid. not that the grid goes down a bunch, but it's an amusing twist when it does: the off grid folks with that "clueless, never realized" look on their face when confronted with "put out" utility customers after an outage.
funny you should phrase the question: "how much to have power run out to a home" because i've been toying with the concept of dedicating a vehicle to the containment of a (battery bank, charger, controller, inverter) which would suck off the grid when parked in front of the (electrified) airplane hanger, and then drive out to my digs where power would come in handy from time to time at various disperse locations.
call it a solution to a "distribution" problem rather than an availability issue
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slabbo
Trad climber
fort garland, colo
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Jan 29, 2013 - 02:47pm PT
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A bit like using the grid as a generator
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Jan 29, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
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trying to see if the 160k (plus power min) is worth even considering.
that much dough, in what i'm guessing is that general area, could buy a lot of awfully nice house in a good location w. all those headaches already finished.
i spent a lot of last summer looking at prop and houses round about there.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 29, 2013 - 04:18pm PT
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klk, yes exactly
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Norwegian
Trad climber
Pollock Pines, California
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Jan 29, 2013 - 04:49pm PT
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i like it when my rv juice
runs low i always plug
in a jimi tape right when,
then the guitar in charge
pulses just
slow enough to stay ahead
of my heart beat,
then we, together,
dead jimi, low wattage frequency,
and my depressed circulatory
system make trans-universal harmony.
no matter my self-actuated
assult, i
keep gettin beautifuller.
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