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AZKid

Trad climber
Phoenix, AZ
Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 23, 2013 - 02:14pm PT
A new short film about the Oak Flat-Queen Creek area in Arizona that is threatened by a proposed copper mine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiME3XWEPjU&feature=youtu.be
AZKid

Trad climber
Phoenix, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 15, 2013 - 06:41am PT
Rep. Ann Kirkpatrick (D-AZ) has partnered with Tea Party republican Paul Gosar in Arizona to submit new legislation to privatize Oak Flat for Resolution Copper.

This new bill would give the federally-protected landscape at Oak Flat, including thousands of routes and bouldering problems, to a foregin copper mining company.

Anyone wishing to help can do so by writing an opposition letter to Sen. Ron Wyden in Oregon, chair of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee, and to new Interior Secretary Sally Jewell.
karodrinker

Trad climber
San Jose, CA
Feb 15, 2013 - 08:30am PT
The politicians who support this should be tried for treason.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Feb 15, 2013 - 08:41am PT
This story was on NPR this morning, rock climbers got a plug as one of the groups opposing these copper mines. Apparently copper is an endangered element, we risk running out.
karodrinker

Trad climber
San Jose, CA
Feb 15, 2013 - 08:45am PT
F*#k copper. People need to go back to living like Indians or we are all endangered.
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
Feb 15, 2013 - 08:50am PT
Too much poop to live like First Peoples used to live.

Need a new way. Recycling electronics helps.
karodrinker

Trad climber
San Jose, CA
Feb 15, 2013 - 08:53am PT
lol munge, even poop can be composted and recycled into plant food.
Lloyd Campbell

Social climber
St. Cloud, MN
Feb 15, 2013 - 09:40am PT
How about those greedy mther fuers start mining responsibly instead of creating big giant toxic holes in the ground, transferring all the assets of the mine company created specifically for the purpose, then declaring bankruptcy and walking away while we all get to pay for the SuperFund cleanup???

In the case of this mine, opposition would fall off quickly if they would just mine it underground and not create the giant pit where all the climbing (2500 routes and boulder problems) used to be. Plus the legislation in question makes a land swap prior to any environmental evaluation (NEPA) being done, which means, they can pretty much do whatever they want with their (now) private land, once it's been signed off on.

How do you know a mining company is lying? Their mouths are open. Fact.
locker

Social climber
FukUville
Feb 15, 2013 - 09:43am PT


"and not create the giant pit where all the climbing (2500 routes and boulder problems) used to be"...


I am way out of the loop on Oak Flats (Was my regular crag for about 6 or 7 yrs)...

Have they already fuked up some of the rocks that had routes on them???...

Or is it still in the fighting stage of this sh!t???...

Manny

Social climber
tempe
Feb 15, 2013 - 10:01am PT
None of the climbing has been closed or damaged as of this date. RCM has stopped operations because of falling copper prices.

Please write your congressman, it is easy to do. Just follow this link and add your name and comments specifically for your representative:
http://legiscan.com/AZ/comments/HCM2003

All of the groups opposed to the land swap, which bypasses NEPA, understand the need for copper. What is not easily accepted is RCM's mining plan to operate a half mile underground and subsequent collapse of the surface.
AZKid

Trad climber
Phoenix, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 15, 2013 - 10:57am PT
Oak Flat is federally protected land until something changes. That's the key element of this issue, because if the politicians can undermine President Eisenhower's 1955 law that set aside Oak Flat from mining, then what's to stop lawmakers from undoing protections for other federal preserves such as national parks and monuments?

Yes this is a good time to write your senator. If you happen to live in Oregon or know someone who does, I urge you to write Sen. Ron Wyden in particular.

For anyone interested there are meetings in Phoenix coming up whee you can participate. The Concerned Climbers of Arizona are meeting at Boulders on Broadway in Mesa on Feb. 20 at 5pm. There will also be a public meeting with Resolution Copper in Queen Valley on March 7 at the rec center from 4-7pm.
AZKid

Trad climber
Phoenix, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 15, 2013 - 10:58am PT
locker - Please take a look at the short film listed above for a current take on this issue. Everything it says applies to this latest land exchange bill.
locker

Social climber
FukUville
Feb 15, 2013 - 11:04am PT


"None of the climbing has been closed or damaged as of this date"...

Fewwwwwwwwww!!!...

Super GLAD about THAT!!!...






EDITED:

AZKid...

I'll view the entire clip later this afternoon...

Only watched a very small portion so far...

THANKS!!!...

AZKid

Trad climber
Phoenix, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 15, 2013 - 11:39am PT
Locker- you're welcome and feel free to pass along the film.
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Feb 16, 2013 - 05:02am PT
Bump
AZKid

Trad climber
Phoenix, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 24, 2013 - 10:34am PT
As expected, the Queen Creek Coalition is supporting the new mining proposal at Oak Flat.

Climbers who oppose the mine should take a look at the Concerned Climbers of Arizona or otherwise make their voices heard so that the world knows that not all climbers would like to see this mine developed.

Here's the link to QCC's site with their statement:

http://www.phoenixrockgym.com/qcc/qcc_news_currentupdate.html
locker

Social climber
FukUville
Feb 24, 2013 - 10:41am PT


"the Queen Creek Coalition is supporting the new mining proposal at Oak Flat."...


$$$...

the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Feb 24, 2013 - 01:32pm PT
Thanks for sharing this well done film.

After spending several days there last summer on a wildfire, in temps
well over 100 (F), it was shocking to see the pic of that black bear. Neat!

I like copper. I use it all the time in my daily life. In the past I enjoyed
exploring underground copper mines.

While I am not particularly fond of the climbing at Queen Creek, this
project seems like a bad idea.

Let's work to protect Queen Creek from mining.

Rhodo-Router

Gym climber
sawatch choss
Feb 24, 2013 - 01:53pm PT
Commenting is easy and appropriate.

I use copper too, but,

find someplace else to mine, Rio Tinto!
AZKid

Trad climber
Phoenix, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 24, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
Thanks Albatross. That fire must have been hellish to fight. Thanks for your work in containing it.

Copper is so key to our modern lives its ridiculous. There's actually a good book that tackles this issue that came out recently called "Boom, Bust, Boom" by Bill Carter. He covers the mining issues in Arizona including Oak Flat, also the Pebble mine in Alaska. But contrasts that with using copper in everything he does.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Feb 24, 2013 - 02:51pm PT
AZKId: I'm no hero, the pilots working for me did all the real work. I do recall on that incident a Hotshot suffered from some rare and very serious heat related disorder which may effect him for the rest of his life.

Thanks for the book tip. All of our lives are so contrasted. I don't particularly enjoy seeing cattle on Western public lands, but sure love my leather boots / jacket. I'm not a big fan of massive clearcuts, but feel fortunate to go to HomeDepot and buy a nice piece of lumber at a reasonable price. I don't like the thought of drilling in ANWR, but man do I like driving my little boat on Lake Powell.

I've caught much grief over the years from a number of climbers for being a Conservationist. Somehow, I believe that certain places are more important than a dollar or two, or a chance to get one point on Mountain Project, or the chance to spray about ones greatness in conquering nature. We are losing wild areas at a frightening pace. I like wild areas so I believe those handful remaining should be managed wisely.

There are a lot of folks in our state government who are very much into economic development. It will be interesting to see where this leads. History is against us in this case.

Long live wilderness,
Albert
AZKid

Trad climber
Phoenix, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 21, 2013 - 10:28am PT
Today the House COmmittee on Energy and Natural Resources are holding a hearing about Oak Flat and the current bill to privatize it for Resolution Copper.

Here's a link to an AZ Republic article about this hearing. The main bit of good news is that the Superior Town Council recently voted to oppose the copper mine after years of supporting it.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/20130320superior-copper-mine-house-holds-hearing.html#protected

Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-AZ) is speaking up on behalf of Oak Flat - thanks Raul!
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Mar 21, 2013 - 02:34pm PT
Don't ya need all that copper for the batteries in yer hybrid car?
AZKid

Trad climber
Phoenix, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 22, 2013 - 03:19pm PT
Copper is a good useful metal - and there are plenty of mines in AZ that can supply it right now. Another mine would only serve to make a foreign company rich.
Chim-Chim

climber
Mar 22, 2013 - 07:02pm PT
KennyT, Ron and the action of other interested parties stop a proposed rock quarry in Woodfords. Stay together as a receational gourp and stop this. Dan
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 22, 2013 - 09:03pm PT
Missed this the first time around.

Thanks.
MisterE

Social climber
Mar 23, 2013 - 07:25am PT
Thanks for the link!

That movie is well done, and really strikes to the heart of the issues.
10b4me

Ice climber
Happy Boulders
Mar 23, 2013 - 07:36am PT

Anyone wishing to help can do so by writing an opposition letter to Sen. Ron Wyden in Oregon, chair of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee, and to new Interior Secretary Sally Jewell.

I recommend sending letters to your local congressman, and senator as well. I wouldn't send a letter to Jewell. She has not been confirmed yet.
AZKid

Trad climber
Phoenix, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 25, 2013 - 04:47pm PT
A new camping guidebook is out by AZ Highways and features Oak Flat Campground as one of the best campgrounds in AZ.

http://www.shoparizonahighways.com/arizona-highways-camping-guide


Oak Flat featured in new 2013 guidebook
Oak Flat featured in new 2013 guidebook
Credit: AZKid
AZKid

Trad climber
Phoenix, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 15, 2013 - 11:57am PT
In April 2013, Rep. Ann Kirkpatrick did an interview with a Phoenix PBS show called Horizon. You can hear her comments about Oak Flat and the proposed copper mine beginning at the 5:30-minute mark and ending around 10:00.

http://video.azpbs.org/video/2364990236

Kirkpatrick says in there that climbers support the mine proposal. Because of the Queen Creek Coalition's deal with Resolution Coppper, Kirkpatrick is claiming that climbers are all on board with the mine!

the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Apr 15, 2013 - 04:18pm PT
Here is an interesting propaganda video made by Resolution Copper Company.

I like the guy about 16 seconds into the clip, who says, "I like to break rocks. I like drilling, blasting and mucking." He reminds me of that guy in the video from the Gunks that was circulating a few months back...


http://vimeo.com/48534415
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Apr 15, 2013 - 04:59pm PT
In April 2013, Rep. Ann Kirkpatrick did an interview with a Phoenix PBS show called Horizon. You can hear her comments about Oak Flat and the proposed copper mine beginning at the 5:30-minute mark and ending around 10:00.

http://video.azpbs.org/video/2364990236

Kirkpatrick made a few interesting comments in the above interview. Among them:

1) She claims that the question of adequate water supply for the mine and surrounding communities can not possibly be known without doing an environmental analysis and collecting the data. In spite of this, she has co-sponsored land exchange legislation that completely bypasses any such NEPA mandated analysis.

2) She claims that climbing areas have been protected by an arrangement with a local climbing group. This is completely false.

3) She claims that the recent layoffs at this mine project were due to uncertainty over the copper company getting this land exchange legislation passed. This is also completely false--the layoffs were dictated by the parent company (Rio Tinto) who announced drastic cut backs in all of their mine development projects worldwide last December.

In response to last week's interview of Anne Kirkpatrick on the Horizon News program, KAET Ch. 8 has invited Superior Town Councilmember Kiki Peralta and I to be interviewed in studio and address concerns specifically referencing the RCM Land Exchange Bill (HR 687), and what has transpired since the Town of Superior took action to oppose the legislation. I believe Ms. Peralta's interview will air at 5:30 MST today (in about 30 minutes from now)

Curt
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Apr 16, 2013 - 12:08pm PT
Curt,

How did the interview go? Do you have a transcript available?

Thanks,
Albert
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Sep 17, 2013 - 10:00am PT
I know there are a few Queen Creek / Oak Flat threads-- there is an access fund alert / letter for those interested.

http://www.accessfund.org/c.tmL5KhNWLrH/b.5208267/k.8C84/Action_Center/siteapps/advocacy/ActionItem.aspx?c=tmL5KhNWLrH&b=5208267&aid=520296

Credit: ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
crusher

climber
Santa Monica, CA
Sep 17, 2013 - 12:15pm PT
Bump

Please go to the Access Fund site linked above and sign the petition.

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