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Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 22, 2013 - 09:58am PT
It appears our dear boy Cush had a stroke or some similar event last night....he is mostly comatose now and comfortable....us.....not so much.

Anyone go through this?
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 22, 2013 - 10:01am PT
Sorry to hear this Dean.

We know that no creature gets to get out of here alive, but that doesn't make it any easier for the kids, or even us.

Best of luck.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 22, 2013 - 10:05am PT
Oh my god Cragman that is awful. My heart aches for you all. Is there anything any of us can do to help? Or is this a wait and see situation?
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 22, 2013 - 10:17am PT
Right now, for me at least, this is the most significant thread on ST.
Good luck man.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Jan 22, 2013 - 10:21am PT
You may have a 24 hour vet in your area,but of course now it is just another 2 hours before your regular one is available.


"Doctor knows best."

I am sorry to know your family is suffering and that your beloved companion has taken ill.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 22, 2013 - 10:21am PT
My mom's dog had a knock down stroke. We hand fed her for a couple days and she rebounded pretty well. She limped thereafter but was doing OK, until after a few months she had another and we had to put her down. I don't know whether there any meds that might have helped. Sorry to hear about yours.

Just reread your OP, hang in there, a big stroke can take at least a couple of days to rebound from. We gave Trinka chicken soup by hand (nutrients and fluids).
mitchy

Trad climber
new england
Jan 22, 2013 - 10:54am PT
Lost a dog to cancer 4yrs. ago, had him for 11 yrs. I still see him from time to time in my dreams. Best wishes to you and your dog.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jan 22, 2013 - 11:06am PT
Very sorry Dean. Hope for the best outcome.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jan 22, 2013 - 11:09am PT
That's awful. Best wishes to your pup & everybody else who loves him.

I was talking with a friend recently whose older dog had a brain stem stroke...the way it presented seemed especially dire...one vet said that prednisone was typical therapy, but only about 20% seem to respond positively. Luckily for all, their dog was part of that small percent...she's an old girl, so they know what's around the corner, and are making the most of every moment until then.

I swear, losing a pet can be more decimating than most humans.
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Jan 22, 2013 - 11:11am PT

Cragman, Dang, so sorry to hear this news (-;...
Hoping for a turnaround.
Leggs

Sport climber
Home away from Home
Jan 22, 2013 - 11:12am PT
You know my thoughts are with you...

~peace and hugs
ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Jan 22, 2013 - 11:21am PT
I had a best friend (Purwanto) that was about the same size and color of your boy, though he was a Heinz 57 breed. He went through a period of losing his hind legs and then he'd come back strong with no seeming effects. I (and the vet) thought he had hip displasia(sp?) in the beginning. Then one morning he couldn't get up at all. I took him to the Vet and they found a large tumor pressing on his spine. They said that when it was smaller, it probably would press on it sometimes and then not, which was the reason he seemed to have problems and then totally "get better".

He was my only true friend when I was going through a heart wrenching divorce that tore up my family. It was too late by then and I had to say goodbye. I called my boss and told him that I couldn't come in that day. He said "it's only a dog!"

I don't work for those guys anymore.

Wishing you and Cush the best.
Gene

climber
Jan 22, 2013 - 11:25am PT
Sniff gave us a few scares starting about 10 years before she finally left us at age 17 to chase rabbits through celestial fields of clover. Wishing your buddy a great outcome.

g
Capt.

climber
some eastside hovel
Jan 22, 2013 - 11:28am PT
Sounds similar to what happened with my canine last year.He unfortunately did not rebound.He was also 14 years old and was showing it before his stroke issue.I'm really hoping for the best here.Your dogs got some more trompin' to do.I think just keep doin' what yer doin'.He knows yer there.Positive vibes being sent from the OV.
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Jan 22, 2013 - 11:33am PT
So sorry Dean. Just lost my best friend of thirteen years two weeks ago.
What are the symptoms?
ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Jan 22, 2013 - 11:33am PT
Yeah Ron, the Vet said that if we'd caught it sooner, the tumor could probably have been removed fairly easily. As it was, it was too emeshed with the cord to have the probability of a good outcome.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 22, 2013 - 11:35am PT
It's actually good that your family is there Dean.

All for one you know.

Prop each other up, and keep talking to Cush.

You know what they say about patients under full anesthesia being fully aware.....
neversummer

Trad climber
30 mins. from suicide USA
Jan 22, 2013 - 11:43am PT
Fingers crossed...
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Jan 22, 2013 - 11:47am PT
Hoping you can have a vet come to your home. If available it is a bit more $, but it's worth it.

I'm really sorry. This is not the sort of thing one gets over ever. :(
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Jan 22, 2013 - 11:54am PT
I'm really sorry. This is not the sort of thing one gets over ever. :(


So true
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Jan 22, 2013 - 12:17pm PT

Wondering if this may potentially be an inner ear thing?????

He just kind of came to...with a grimace on his face like he was in pain...then threw up a bit....now is lying with his head a little turned...
why not do a phone consultation with your vet?
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jan 22, 2013 - 12:18pm PT
So sorry to hear this Crag. Hoping for a full and long recovery!
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
Jan 22, 2013 - 12:19pm PT
sorry to hear. Hope he picks back up.
ruppell

climber
Jan 22, 2013 - 12:20pm PT
Talked with the vet a few minutes ago...trying to decide whether to subject him to the ride to Bishop or not.

Crag

That shouldn't be a hard decision at all. Get in the car and head down the hill. I vet will be able to tell you what is going on instead of just guessing. A few minutes of pain for him may save his life in the long run.
hootowl

Mountain climber
VA
Jan 22, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
Cragman, get Cush to a vet! If it's "vestibular" (inner ear/balance) problem it's treatable and correctable! My sister's cat had this, and on prednisone and some anti-nausea meds has come back to life, with just a wee bit of a head tilt. Like Cush, it seemed at first as if Stella had had a stroke.
ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Jan 22, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
Good Luck!! We're all pullin for ya Cush!
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Jan 22, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
^^^^^+1
weezy

climber
Jan 22, 2013 - 12:50pm PT
GO CUSH!! hang in there bud!
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Jan 22, 2013 - 12:53pm PT
Keep us posted.
ruppell

climber
Jan 22, 2013 - 12:58pm PT
The last couple of times we took him down off the mountain, he had a real hard time getting his ears to clear as we came back up in elevation

Crag

That COULD be a sign there is an ear issue as well. On your way back up take Lower Rock Creek Rd and stop often to let the pressure equal out. Either way the vet will give you a diagnosis which will help you and him deal with whatever is going on. Hoping for the best.
atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Jan 22, 2013 - 01:02pm PT
Cragman,

Sorry to hear about Cush. Hoping everything works out and for the best.

Thanks for being there for him,
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Jan 22, 2013 - 01:18pm PT
Glad to know you're on the way to the vet. It was just over a month ago that I thought Teddy was dying, and SoftCookay kicked my rear and said "Get to the Vet!" Teddy just had a hell of an infection, and because of it was thrwoing up which through his balance completely off. With vet care - rehydration and antibiotics, Teddy was on the mend within 24 hours. Had I delayed to the vet much longer, or thought there was no hope, Teddy would not be here today.

Godspeed Cush!



SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Jan 22, 2013 - 01:28pm PT
Oh Dean , Bums sends her love from heaven....
I do fostering for Lab Rescue and going to pickup a foster today....we'll send good vibes your way and later we'll be up at the Dog Blessing Walk on Land of Medicine Buddha and pray for you guys..

Susan
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Jan 22, 2013 - 03:50pm PT
Sending my best wishes over your way Dean.

Dogs lives go by too fast. It's especially tough when you think you'll get 12 or more good years before they start to go downhill and some problem kicks in early and they go downhill fast. But this could just be temporary.

One of our dogs was having problems a few months ago (he's getting old) and it turns out the majority of the problem was dehydration. He'd be spending a lot of time indoors because it was cold out (he's primarily an outdoor dog) and the alpha dog (primarily an indoor dog) wasn't letting him get water. The vet injected water under the skin in his back (he looked like Quasimodo)and he was much better.

If his ears aren't clearing let him chew gum during the trip. Just kidding, but maybe trying to get him to yawn (by yawning yourself and it IS contagious for dogs) or giving him some small treats to chew and swallow on the way.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 22, 2013 - 03:51pm PT
Zuni sends his supreme posture vibrations!

chappy

Social climber
ventura
Jan 22, 2013 - 03:54pm PT
Cragman, I wish you and your four legged family member all the best...
Chappy
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Jan 22, 2013 - 03:55pm PT
Like others, I was very sorry to hear this. Hoping against hope that it is something that can be cured. Let us know as soon as you know anything.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Jan 22, 2013 - 05:40pm PT
Looking for an update. Hoping for good news.
Michelle

Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
Jan 22, 2013 - 05:41pm PT
Same here.
Park Rat

Social climber
CA, UT,CT,FL
Jan 22, 2013 - 05:56pm PT
Dean there are so many pet lovers on this site that you can be sure of a lot of support. We all wish the best for both you and your precious pet.

All of us who have pets feel the pain and helplessness when we see our best friends age ahead of us. They cannot tell us what hurts or where it hurts.

It's hard for the non-dog people to understand the special attachment we have to our special four-legged friends. It's the unconditional love that is hard to explain to those who not experienced it. They give us everything and ask very little in exchange.


For the last year or so I've been watching my own dog Monty start to age. He's a little guy, so he should last a bit longer, but it's still hard. I described him as having a little doggie-zheimer's, but he still hanging in there, he will be 15 this year.



Leggs

Sport climber
Home away from Home
Jan 22, 2013 - 07:06pm PT
~Healing vibes to Cush from the desert~

~peace
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Jan 22, 2013 - 07:07pm PT
Oh Crag, my heart aches, just aches.

Susan
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Jan 22, 2013 - 07:09pm PT
Thank you for the update. I know how terribly painful this all is.

10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Jan 22, 2013 - 07:09pm PT
best wishes for Cush, and to you, and your family, Dean.
this just in

climber
north fork
Jan 22, 2013 - 07:31pm PT
It's true they are family and when mine goes I'm going to cry like a baby. Hoping for the best for your dog cragman.
Karla

climber
Colorado
Jan 22, 2013 - 07:41pm PT
I feel for you Cragman, big hugs to you.
My 4 legged wingman is not wanting to walk today. He's better than he was this AM, but something is up. Heading to the doc tomorrow:(
Bldrjac

Ice climber
Boulder
Jan 22, 2013 - 08:45pm PT
Cragman, sooo very sorry to hear about Cush. Always so hard to know how to best care for our furry friends, since in the end WE are the ones that frequently have to make one decision or another. And indeed, they are total family, and I really feel for your little girl also. Still, animals frequently teach us what real love is about. Real love, real grief, real life. Not always bad, but frequently not easy. With my own dogs, I always just try to listen to the vet, and monitor their day-to-day quality of life. I try to put myself in their paws....is this how I would like to live out my last days? Am I incontinent, unable to walk outside, unable or not interested in eating? Is this my time? They will ALWAYS wag their tails for us...this is not the indication of what to do or not do. They depend on us to make the right decision for them, but they won't fault you either way. Given Cush's condition, it seems like you should know the answer in a few days. It will never be easy, and it will never feel good. But you have to look into your heart and see what is right for THEM. My own heart goes out to you....losing a pet in my mind is right up there with the worst things ever.
cyber hugs to you, from Pam
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Jan 22, 2013 - 08:50pm PT
Sorry, buddy.

Love and prayers to all. Some dogs respond amazingly well to steroids. Hang in there!
Dick Erb

climber
June Lake, CA
Jan 22, 2013 - 08:59pm PT
Hi Dean,
I just found and read through this thread and was glad to get to your last post. I hope it turns out well. Dogs sure can get deep into our hearts.
ruppell

climber
Jan 22, 2013 - 09:01pm PT
Crag

Just looked into sending you an email but you're not excepting them. I have a story that I don't feel like relating around the "campfire". You know, that type of story that you pull someone away from the fire to tell. If you wanna hear it shoot me an email. All the best.

Matt
rwedgee

Ice climber
canyon country,CA
Jan 22, 2013 - 09:11pm PT
Sorry to hear about you boy and hope he comes thru healthy. My golden, first dog ever, got an ear infection that lead to virtigo. If you've ever had it you'll understand. She couldn't get up because you don't know which way is up. Keeping my fingers crossed.
David Wilson

climber
CA
Jan 22, 2013 - 09:15pm PT
I'm hopeful for a recovery and feel for you all. Animals really get to me.
phylp

Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
Jan 22, 2013 - 09:19pm PT
Sorry to hear about all of this. I hope the medications help his symptoms. It's obvious he's a family member to you and yours. Take care, Phyl
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Jan 22, 2013 - 09:20pm PT
Sending all my best, cragman.
Park Rat

Social climber
CA, UT,CT,FL
Jan 22, 2013 - 09:39pm PT
Dean,

Wonderful, so glad to hear Cush is better.

Will keep fingers crossed.
The Lisa

Trad climber
Da Bronx, NY
Jan 22, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
Yay that sounds great, Dean :) I do hope Cush recovers fully. He looks like such a handsome pup. Of course he is family and no one wants anyone in their family to be sick.
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Jan 22, 2013 - 10:07pm PT
Good news.not discounting the vets' diagnosis, but i hope it was wrong
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 22, 2013 - 10:08pm PT
Great turn of events Cragman.
Last year Goldie went down oddly while I was working.
Client came home and the usually upbeat and happy Goldie was just lying there unmoving except for spasm-ing.
We rushed her to urgent care and found out she had somehow essentially dislocated some vertebrae.
Scared the poop out of me. But several days of rest and Rimidyl and she was also layin a load and lickin alot.

happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Jan 22, 2013 - 10:27pm PT
Keep it up Cush!

That was similar as for Teddy. I really - really- thought he was going. When he took his first walk, and then a poop after being down(and not having pooped for 3 days), I posted to my Facebook with such joy and zeal - and it was a very poopy poop. I had never been more happy to have to wash my dog's rear. Glad Cush didn't have such a messy one!
Michelle

Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
Jan 22, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
Holy cow I didn't expect to read that! So glad your bff is perking up!
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jan 22, 2013 - 10:33pm PT
Dean, I have to re-type this....shit got deleted.

Cush is in my prayers. Do everything you can do to help him, but realize dogs have a certain lifespan.

I will not diminish Cush in that way, I'm just saying to do what you can.

I've only recently had to put down a dog personally. My Aussie Shep/ Border Collie cross. She was adopted. She just kpet luring people in with kindness and Aussie Shep innocence, people got to close. SHe bit people in the face.

Bit my wife like 4 times! This had to stop. I sat with her as drugs were administered. She looked at me, I looked at her. And then I wept for killing my dog.

Had to do it. Still feel bad....
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jan 22, 2013 - 10:34pm PT
Few of us bond so closely to any animal more than a dog. They really mean a lot to us. Wishing you all well, but especially Deans pup. All of us, too soon, will pass as well, and it seems sad, but it give our lives more urgency in the knowing of it.


This is Sadie yesterday (wifes dog). It speaks to and reflects on the whole issue I guess. I'd miss her a lot when she's gone, my heart would break. We've gone on so many adventures. But the squirrels, mice, voles, moles and other small furry critters won't miss her. She's currently got a thing going with the racoons who cruise the backyard at night, they've been steering clear for now and so there's distance. But....
rurprider

Trad climber
Mt. Rubidoux
Jan 22, 2013 - 10:36pm PT
Cragman........truly sorry to hear about your pup. Never an easy thing, but at least he isn't in pain. We just went down this road with our dog companion, who developed a brain stem tumor and we miss her dearly. We wish you all the best. God bless.
ruppell

climber
Jan 22, 2013 - 10:41pm PT
WOW.

Blue I didn't see that one coming. Wrong place, bad story, no matter how well intended. Besides I always blame the owner any way. I'll edit and remove this as soon as you do.

Crag

Glad to hear it's going well.

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jan 22, 2013 - 10:46pm PT
I will not remove that post.

Dean can chime in, but what is the problem? Dean, were you offended?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jan 22, 2013 - 10:47pm PT
Good news, Dean~

rock on!
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Jan 22, 2013 - 10:48pm PT
I remember Teddys firt bark after being so ill. Music to my ears, like I am sure Cush's tail is like a conductor's wand keeping time on the most beautiful music to you!
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jan 22, 2013 - 10:50pm PT
Glad to hear about Cush!!!!

EDIT: God bless you too, Dean. I knew you knew what it takes to say goodbye to old friends. It's hard. It reveals our compassion, and our remorse for friends. And that's what dogs are. They are little buddies, and friends.

God bless ya, Dean! You, Cush, and your whole posse over there! You have a great family.
Risk

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Jan 22, 2013 - 10:54pm PT
Glad to hear of the improvement/recovery. Resilient, those dogs! Wishing for the best. We could not imagine anything happening to ours.
ruppell

climber
Jan 22, 2013 - 10:56pm PT
Blue

It's all good man. I just thought the post to be a little on the down side as opposed to the up side. After further reflection it's truly not my place to decide these things. Intertardum at its finest. My apologies for coming across as some sort of thread aligner. Sorry you had to go through that. Carry on.

Matt
cyndiebransford

climber
31 years in Joshua Tree, now Alaska
Jan 22, 2013 - 11:03pm PT
I am glad to read of the recovery of your beloved dog. I will hold him in my prayers.
I just lost my dog, Lucky, on the 13th. He was 11 years old and had been having seizures for two months. Most of the time he was his happy self. But some days he would be comatose for a few hours. I was gone to visit family for three weeks over the holidays and Lucky waited for me to return home before dying. I brushed him and trimmed him and loved on him on Sunday morning. He ate a dog biscuit in the afternoon and lay down in the warmth to sleep. A little while later I came into the room and he was gone. He never seemed to be in pain and it was a peaceful passing.
Losing our pets is the one downfall to loving them, but all the tail wags are well worth the grief.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jan 22, 2013 - 11:04pm PT
Blue

It's all good man. I just thought the post to be a little on the down side as opposed to the up side. After further reflection it's truly not my place to decide these things. Intertardum at its finest. My apologies for coming across as some sort of thread aligner. Sorry you had to go through that. Carry on.

Matt


I think we just misunderstand one another. No problem.

I know Dean, and I know what he can handle. I was just trying to sympathize with maybe having to put his dog down. Sounds like CUsh is better.

And that is AWESOME!!!

Just trying to remind people that dogs don't live so long. We need to cycle them through our lives! That's what I do.

EDIT: I don't mean cycle them like meat, but more like little friends. Let me clear on that.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Jan 22, 2013 - 11:08pm PT
Cragman-

Can't email you directly. I am so happy to hear you have more time with Cush - I hope this means many years more!

I lost the soul that was everything to me last year. One thing (of many) I learned is this - take pictures. Take videos. Take photos and video of each of you with Cush.

After Ferne was gone, it was imperative that I find every picture in existence of him. I was obsessed. I had lots of photos. But not enough. I discovered TWO - only two - had photos of me with him. I was always taking them. And I had only two video too. Inexcusable given how easy it is to get video.

So get a ton of photos - of photos with you and each of your family members. Get video. Get lots. You may not be able to look at it when the time comes that he moves on, but having it will mean everything.

Thinking of you all.

Batrock

Trad climber
Burbank
Jan 22, 2013 - 11:14pm PT
Cali is sending her prayers.
Leggs

Sport climber
Home away from Home
Jan 23, 2013 - 12:12am PT
Great news about Cush, Dean... just wonderful news.

~happy
TYeary

Social climber
State of decay
Jan 23, 2013 - 01:46am PT
This is great news, Dean. There is a lot of love coming Cush's way; for you and family as well. I know it's tough. Like I said, Family member; no less.
TY
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Jan 23, 2013 - 02:14am PT
Sorry to hear about the tumor and glad that the Prednisone is working. It is indeed a wonder drug.
Give your dog all your love and know that many people are sending theirs to you your family.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jan 23, 2013 - 04:08am PT
hey there say, cragman/dean...

i am late getting here, dial up stuff... but i DID see this at facebook... kept you in prayers...

hope all goes well...

hard to lose dogs, :(
cats, and any of our beloved little friends, :(


god bless to you...
i can hardly believe that patty ann marie is nearly 8!
time sure passs fast, :O

i kept thinking of her as a pup... :)
and always will, it seems...
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Jan 23, 2013 - 11:38am PT



Good luck Dean and Family. It does not get any easier.

Hopefully you will have much more time with Cush.


I do believe that the "dog" is a way for "god" to acclimate us about death.
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Jan 23, 2013 - 11:57am PT
So good to hear him snoring at 0200....music to my ears. :)
. And farting too?


So so so so happy for you! He's a beauty! My foster Lab is doing great and going to bring joy to a family also....gawd, they are just so special


Susan
ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Jan 23, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
Great news!!!

I'm sure that the steroids are a help, but don't minimize the healing power of love, sounds like he's got lots of it.
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Jan 23, 2013 - 12:08pm PT
Awesome, glad to hear this has turned out for the better. Enjoy Life!!
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jan 23, 2013 - 07:23pm PT
Glad to hear he's doing better, Dean.

God bless!
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jan 24, 2013 - 09:44am PT
Early morning dog vibes! Hope the dawn finds him hale and happy!
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jan 24, 2013 - 11:36am PT
¡Yay !
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jan 24, 2013 - 11:40am PT
A second chance is such a beautiful thing. How deeply we can appreciate the smallest things when almost lost.
weezy

climber
Jan 24, 2013 - 11:41am PT
lookin' good, Cush. glad you guys have your family member back.
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Jan 24, 2013 - 11:42am PT
Looooookiiiiiinnnnnn GREAT

I am so happy for all of you! Maybe he got in your liquor cabinet????


Susan
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Jan 24, 2013 - 11:45am PT
Great to hear that Cush is doing better.
this just in

climber
north fork
Jan 24, 2013 - 11:50am PT
Good to see.
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Jan 24, 2013 - 11:52am PT
It's the not knowing that is hard

Boy, isn't that always the hardest part...fingers crossed, prayers said, positive Karma to you guys!

Susan
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Jan 24, 2013 - 12:57pm PT

I love the pictures of Sage & Callie sending their best wishes... ...(-;

Also love the picture of Crush with your daughter, and Crush in the kitchen smiling.
When a big Lab is in the kitchen wagging their tail, you know things are on the up-swing.

Saludos...
n.t.
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Jan 25, 2013 - 12:44am PT
Oh Happy Outcome!
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.
Jan 25, 2013 - 12:59am PT
Wow,
Extremely happy to hear! What a scare!
Captain...or Skully

climber
Jan 25, 2013 - 01:04am PT
He's looking pretty hearty in those pics, Dean.
smiles.
Bldrjac

Ice climber
Boulder
Jan 25, 2013 - 07:39am PT
Yay! What great news to see on a Friday morning! :-)
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Jan 25, 2013 - 10:28am PT
Oh Dean, I can't ... No words, lottsa tears.

Susan
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Jan 25, 2013 - 10:54am PT
Oh - so sorry.

You said the vet DID see a tumor near his brain or spine, is that correct? If so, have you discussed how to proceed?

If the tumor was not a confirmed thing - is it possible Cush might have Lyme Disease? The symptoms you have provided do have a familiar ring to when Teddy got it, and what I read about Lyme. Not sure about a steroid medicine response with Lyme, though.

I am sorry you are going through this tough time.
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Jan 25, 2013 - 11:20am PT
Dean, so sorry to hear this
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Jan 25, 2013 - 11:31am PT
My thoughts are with you in this time. So sorry.
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Jan 25, 2013 - 12:06pm PT
Has Cush been properly diagnosed, Dean? Does he have any sort of auto-immune disorder? Some dogs respond well to steroids in combination with anti-seizure meds. But of course this would only work if the cause of the seizures were inflammation, which it might not be in Cush's case.

My successful experience in this came with a much younger dog, however. Prayers, buddy.
Bldrjac

Ice climber
Boulder
Jan 25, 2013 - 12:53pm PT
Oh crap.........trying not to tear up in front of my students as I read this! :-( (they are taking a quiz)
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Jan 25, 2013 - 01:08pm PT
Dean, I sure hope Cush can hang in there. I was very happy to read that his condition improved after the initial incident.

Best wishes to you, your family and Cush.
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Jan 25, 2013 - 01:15pm PT
that is good to hear.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 25, 2013 - 01:26pm PT
We have put down seven canines through the years.

When we think about it now we believe we kept them alive longer in their last days not for the dog but for us, because it was too painful to end it when we should have.

Their quality of life was over long before we ended it.

We gave them more suffering in exchange for us feeling our love from them longer.

Not fair.

Looking back, we should have had the courage to end their lives much earlier.

Not any advice but how we came to deal with our pet's deaths.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 25, 2013 - 01:41pm PT
I've faced this a number of times with cats and dogs. With the dogs, I knew it was time when I heard it in their voices.

Sorry for your family. It's not ez.

Michelle

Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
Jan 25, 2013 - 01:44pm PT
Hang in there, you'll know when it's time.
Leggs

Sport climber
Home away from Home
Jan 25, 2013 - 02:07pm PT
never so happy to see a dog take a dump.

Smelling the sugar in the sh#t.

~my thoughts are with you, Dean...
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Jan 25, 2013 - 02:14pm PT
The time to "put him down"....is just not here yet.

I agree, but I also agree that sometimes prolonging a dogs' life for our benefit is not always good.

I know you will make the correct decision.

happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Jan 25, 2013 - 02:29pm PT
The time to "put him down"....is just not here yet.

You are right, and you are the one there, who knows.


I used to have a companion animal care service, and one of my canine clients was Zeke, a Black Lab/Golden Retriever mix. He came down with bone cancer - which often displays very quickly with no earlier signs. The vet said he was a good candidate for leg amputation surgery and that was what his people did.

Zeke had a tough time after the surgery - up and down while in recovery. They asked me to use the regular session time to come be with him in hospital, and as he recovered I was even able to give him outdoors walks.

It was tough, helping Zeke as he learned to walk with three legs, and patience was imperative. Many neighbors would stop and comment about what they thought Zeke's people should do. But Zeke's people were the ones who made a day to day decision about going forward.

Zeke had a tough winter that year. There were many a day I, too, wondered why his people were proceeding as they were. Only later did I find out they had also decided to forgo chemotherapy, and simply love Zeke until the day they knew they would say good bye. They never asked for a check up on his condition.

Zeke lived another three years, and left this earth peacefully in his sleep one day at the age of 15. Pretty good for a dog of that size.
go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
Jan 25, 2013 - 04:22pm PT
Cragman, that's great news, I'm glad Cush is doing better!!!

Our little Chicky puppyboy Chihuahua (9 years old) just had his second Stroke in the last three months!
I thought this last time, that was it, and couldn't take it, had me ball 'in!
After three day's in the hospital the vet has him on Phenobarbital (for life), Tribrissen, and Robaxin for now!
He went from lifeless and limp with seizures to happy and licking us, best $1700.00 I've spent!
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Jan 25, 2013 - 04:28pm PT
Have you been giving him anti-seizure meds in addition to the steroids?
go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
Jan 25, 2013 - 05:08pm PT
The vet said that Chicky was in "pre-seizure" I guess that means not full blown?
After his first stroke the vet gave him Azium (Dexmethasone) and was taking Rimadyl for his joints after his double knee surgery, but the vet told us to give him just the new meds because if we mixed them with the old ones it would be bad for his kidneys! Chicky is known as Super-dog and is a legend at Collett Veterinary!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jan 25, 2013 - 07:35pm PT
Dean...Norton is right..... hindsight is always 20-20.....Best of luck with that Cush hound...
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Jan 25, 2013 - 09:23pm PT
Our time with him is short...

He'll let you know, and I know you know that. Just wanted to let you know I'm thinking a lot of Cush.

Susan
Captain...or Skully

climber
Jan 25, 2013 - 09:31pm PT
He's your DOG, man. We(used loosely) understand that kind of love.
No matter how it turns out(I reckon you know that tune), you know the times you've shared. Well, now the value of those times shines.
And they always will. The ripples fade so quickly...Time is brief:-(
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Jan 25, 2013 - 10:28pm PT
gotta say, this is heartbreaking and brings up all kines of tough memories for me.
give him all the love you have to give.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Jan 25, 2013 - 11:14pm PT
exactly what drljefe said,kind regards cragman
Capt.

climber
some eastside hovel
Jan 26, 2013 - 12:21am PT
^^^ Nice pix.I betcha Cush makes that snorking kinda noise when he brings the stick back in the water doesn't he?Also,second pic is right near Horseshoe Lake boulder,no?Ironically that boulder is called Dog Boulder in Charlie B's new book.Best of luck to Cush and your family.
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Jan 26, 2013 - 12:40am PT
Dean, that pic of Cush is great. So attentive
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jan 26, 2013 - 11:22am PT
Way to crush, Cush!
Leggs

Sport climber
Home away from Home
Jan 26, 2013 - 11:43am PT
We had a good night....slept on the floor in front of the fire with Cush.

~excellent, Dean... just excellent news.

~peace
perswig

climber
Jan 26, 2013 - 12:39pm PT
Late to this, Dean, but sending you and Cush the best wishes our pack of critters and I can summon.

Like many of us, I've been a companion and caregiver to many of my own aging friends, and I do it for a living. Never gets easier - you just get better at making decisions.
PM me if you have any questions. I'll be in and out this wkend.

Dale
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Jan 26, 2013 - 12:39pm PT
Pretty sure that is Scott locker. Just went through his posts. Dean, sorry to hear about your puppy. It's hard to loose a family member.

Best of luck to you all.


Mike Cowper
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Jan 26, 2013 - 05:11pm PT
He's having a good day!

that is great news
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Jan 26, 2013 - 05:31pm PT
Nice! Wish you all the best.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jan 26, 2013 - 08:09pm PT
"...any dog lover is a friend of mine."

Really?
sunflower

climber
Jan 26, 2013 - 09:01pm PT
Hope your family member gets well real soon and makes a full recovery.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 26, 2013 - 10:28pm PT
a little doggie pinwheel relief

[Click to View YouTube Video]
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Jan 27, 2013 - 12:37am PT
Apogee, any dog lover is a friend of mine too.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jan 27, 2013 - 02:18am PT
You guys obviously haven't been following the 'A Dogs Life' thread.
Captain...or Skully

climber
Jan 27, 2013 - 07:22pm PT
As it's ever been between Man & Dog. I still have every dog I've had.
You know? Peace & groove to ya both.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Jan 28, 2013 - 10:55pm PT
Very glad to read your update as I think of Cush quite often when I look at Teddy.
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Jan 31, 2013 - 02:06pm PT
Good to hear Dean! Best wishes!!
Michelle

Social climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
Jan 31, 2013 - 02:50pm PT
Yay Cush!
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Jan 31, 2013 - 07:29pm PT
that's great news.
Bldrjac

Ice climber
Boulder
Feb 1, 2013 - 07:26pm PT
Pisco and I are still sending positive vibes and thoughts to you and Cush! :-)
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Feb 1, 2013 - 07:47pm PT
Such a handsome fellow!

I meant the dog, Cragman!!!!
(heehee, kidding)
The Lisa

Trad climber
Da Bronx, NY
Feb 1, 2013 - 10:07pm PT
This brings a smile to my face, Dean. So happy for you and your pup.
I am also happy to read Ron's post and see that at least some people still know their "heels" from their "heals." I wince every time I see the wrong word used.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 1, 2013 - 10:23pm PT
Cragman...That dog has the perfect , moist, nose for a nortsul...
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 23, 2013 - 05:25pm PT
So, so sorry to hear this, Dean. Amazing that he rebounded the way he did from earlier this year, though.

No doubt he is in the safest, most loving place he can be at this time. Peace to all of you right now.
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Oct 23, 2013 - 06:19pm PT
Rough times, these....

Oh yes, however Great love abounds.

Susan
James Wilcox

Trad climber
Goleta/Virginia Lakes
Oct 23, 2013 - 06:36pm PT
I hope he stays comfortable through the night, for both your sakes. Our dogs stand vigil over us they're entire lives. To be able to do the same for them at this time of need is the least we can do in return.

Peace for both of you.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Oct 23, 2013 - 06:46pm PT
Wishing you the best Dean. Cush was lucky to have had you and yours for so many years. I'm sure you feel the same of your pup....
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Oct 23, 2013 - 07:07pm PT

I hope he stays comfortable through the night, for both your sakes. Our dogs stand vigil over us they're entire lives. To be able to do the same for them at this time of need is the least we can do in return.

Peace for both of you.

+1

Saludos...

edit, Just looked at the family around Cush.....sigh...so sad...)-;
Dropline

Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
Oct 23, 2013 - 07:23pm PT
I'm sure it's been said but remember, all dogs go to heaven, whatever their idea of heaven might be.

I had my golden at the beach chasing the ball in the surf at sunset tonight. That's his idea of heaven. He's almost eleven and it breaks my heart to even think of him passing.

My heart and thoughts are with you Dean, and Cush too. Such a good dog.

Leggs

Sport climber
Tucson, AZ
Oct 23, 2013 - 08:10pm PT
Hi Dean...
My thoughts and vibes are with you and the family... and sweet Cush ... always.

Recall all the wet nose days and doggie smiles as you help your best buddy ease into the next stage of his existence.

Peace and love to you. ~LM
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
Oct 23, 2013 - 08:46pm PT
Very sorry to hear this. It's not ez that's for sure.
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Oct 23, 2013 - 09:48pm PT
Sorry to hear, buddy.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Oct 23, 2013 - 09:50pm PT
God bless Cush, Dean. I don't know what else to tell you, you're a man of reality and this is what happens to our little friends.

It's never easy, and always tears at our hearts, but in the end we keep going back for more. I know I always do.

People do not like discussing this because sometimes our dog-friends are closer to us in more ways than most people. They offer utter trust and unconditional love, unlike some of our human friends. I think that is why it's so hard. They love us unconditionally, yet their lives are in our hands.

It's up to you to decide when it's time for Cush to go, and he will not stop loving you. If Cush is suffering you have a duty to help him out, to send Cush to a place where the is no pain, only love.

I know it's hard, bro. God bless you, Cush, and enjoy those bacon-bones!!!
phylp

Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
Oct 23, 2013 - 09:51pm PT
We are sharing your sorrow at this difficult time.
Phyl
10b4me

Ice climber
Bishop/Flagstaff
Oct 23, 2013 - 09:58pm PT
Dean, I really enjoyed meeting Cush, last month. I am a big dog lover so this hits home.
The Lisa

Trad climber
Da Bronx, NY
Oct 23, 2013 - 10:09pm PT
I feel for you, Dean. I am a cat owner in particular but I love all animals and I think this post on The Oatmeal is poignant as well as funny http://theoatmeal.com/comics/dog_paradox
hossjulia

climber
Oct 23, 2013 - 10:55pm PT
So sorry to hear about Cush, he's a nice dog.
Bacon! Awesome he enjoyed a treat though.

Hang in there, try to get some fluids in him. Just remember, you have lots of love surrounding all of you.
stevep

Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
Oct 23, 2013 - 11:22pm PT
Sorry to hear that, and I feel your pain. Lost a Lab to a stroke earlier this year, and the worst thing was that I was gone on a business trip when it happened. Be glad you got the time that you did. I'm sure he feels your love.
Bill Mc Kirgan

Trad climber
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
Oct 23, 2013 - 11:42pm PT
Wishing you good moments during this tough time. There's nothing like the love and companionship of a dog. Keeping you and your family, and especially Cush, in our prayers for comfort and peace and joy.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Oct 24, 2013 - 09:15am PT
Best Wishes to Cush, you and your family Dean. They're only around long enough to show us what it's like to be perfect.

frank wyman

Mountain climber
montana
Oct 24, 2013 - 09:35am PT
My prayers are with you...Went thruogh same thing. Slept on floor for days.After thousands spent on vet bill, They charged us to put him down, Wife did not tell me until later. I would have done something I would have regreted. My little dog "Bumpy" is at peace now under the apple tree...Frank..
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 24, 2013 - 10:23am PT
Rough day ahead for you all, but Cush is heading for a beautiful place.

Best to each of you today.
Batrock

Trad climber
Burbank
Oct 24, 2013 - 10:52am PT
Our Cali and all of us send you love.
I will be praying for you.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Oct 24, 2013 - 11:01am PT
Be well Dean. Blessings, and peace for you and your family. A great dog brings so much good into a families life. I'm sure he leaves a legacy of great memories that will last all of your lifetimes.

and tears in all our eyes as we read this.
rincon

Trad climber
SoCal
Oct 24, 2013 - 11:26am PT
Sorry to hear about Cush. Best wishes.
He looks like a good dog.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Oct 24, 2013 - 11:37am PT

I miss Mo... it has been four years now.

Dean you have given your dog the best life.

Sorry for your family and you loss.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Oct 24, 2013 - 12:05pm PT
Sorry for your loss Cragman, seems like Cush was a really lucky dog.
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Oct 24, 2013 - 12:40pm PT
Another one waiting for dearest Cush
From ST alone, he will not be alone!

Susan
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Oct 24, 2013 - 12:46pm PT
Oh, I am in tears. Had been wondering how Cush has been faring.

A few days after Teddy passed, I woke up in the middle of the night feeling his presence. It seemed he told me "Next time, I'm going to be a BIG dog!" I brushed away a tear and thought "How come?" and he replied in a very happy voice "It just seems like big dogs have a lot of fun!" I still smile at recalling that moment, and have to say that Teddy definitely had a thing for Yellow Labs. He adored them, over any and every other breed, for some reason, and at that time I was sure he had the idea of being a Yellow Lab in mind.

I know that if Teddy can meet Cush at the rainbow bridge, he will be as happy to see him as can be. God bless you, Cush, and my heartfelt condolence to your human family as this time.

neversummer

climber
30 mins. from suicide USA
Oct 24, 2013 - 12:48pm PT
Sorry for your loss...elvis sends his prayers as well..
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Oct 24, 2013 - 02:52pm PT
This thread just tears at my heart.

Anyone who knows me in the default world (sadly, not many of you) knows that my dogs, and more so, Lincoln, are my life. Link has been everywhere with me, he's a road trip dog.

As I watch Link go gray and slow down, it reinforces the fact that he's not always going to be by my side. He's only nine, but watching him age saddens me. He is one of my sources of power, truly my best friend.

Contemplating life without him is a very, very difficult thing.

I'm sending a boatload of positive thought to you Dean, on this sad day.

klk

Trad climber
cali
Oct 24, 2013 - 02:55pm PT
bummer, dude.

i've dug two this year.

best of luck
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Oct 24, 2013 - 03:34pm PT
So sorry.
This hits close to home for many of us who have been through it.
Peace to Cush, you, and your family.

[Click to View YouTube Video]
phylp

Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
Oct 24, 2013 - 03:37pm PT
DR, Holding my Heidi in my arms while the vet gave her cancer-ridden body that overdose, that was one of the hardest things I've ever done. I'll never forget it.
Prayers for you today. Michael and I are both in tears for your family.
Phyl
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Oct 24, 2013 - 04:21pm PT
DR, Holding my Heidi in my arms while the vet gave her cancer-ridden body that overdose, that was one of the hardest things I've ever done. I'll never forget it.



When I did the same Our dog licked the tears from my face as the last thing she ever did..

Even when I heard of my Mothers passing I did not bawl my eyes out as much as I did then.

My mom would understand that too.
James Wilcox

Trad climber
Goleta/Virginia Lakes
Oct 24, 2013 - 04:36pm PT
The vet scene in "Marlee and Me" was all too accurate. Only somebody who had been in those shoes could have captured the emotions so well. And hard to watch without being sad over my own experiences with our dogs.

We'll be thinking of Cush at 3:00.
FRUMY

Trad climber
Bishop,CA
Oct 24, 2013 - 04:40pm PT
I'm so sorry. My best to you.
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Oct 24, 2013 - 05:15pm PT
He will have a wonderful resting place, sorry for your families loss Dean. Hope the fam can recover and move on soon. Don't think we got a chance to meet Cush when we met you last May in June Lake. May he be soaring high on the other side.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Oct 24, 2013 - 06:31pm PT

So Sorry Dean... Good company awaits him...
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Oct 24, 2013 - 07:04pm PT
Take care Cush. You are with your family and you know their love. You've brought great joy and will not be forgotten.
Leggs

Sport climber
Tucson, AZ
Oct 24, 2013 - 07:26pm PT
Oh Dean...there really are no words I can express to ease the pain of this loss... a sad day indeed.

Many blessings to you and the hearts of your entire family.

May Cush rest in peace.

~xx
go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
Oct 24, 2013 - 07:59pm PT
^^^^
+1
Sympathies
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Oct 24, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
When someone was kind and thoughtful enough to write me a condolence card when my dog passed (after 18 1/2 years---I raised him from 8 weeks old) I took the card and placed it on his grave.
That damn card stayed there for months in all kinds of weather, looking just like it did the day I placed it there.

Heartfelt sympathies to you and your family Cragman.
That's a good looking resting spot .
Dick Erb

climber
June Lake, CA
Oct 24, 2013 - 08:36pm PT
Dean, Blessings to you, Leah, Marina, Paden, Micah, and Cush>
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Oct 24, 2013 - 09:26pm PT
My tear eyed grandfather once told me,

"He was born a dog,He has died a Man"

I am positive that applies here as well,Kind Regards, Terence.
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Oct 24, 2013 - 09:26pm PT
This is a special grove for remembering pets at the Land of Medicine Buddha in the Santa Cruz Mountains. Next time I'm up there I will stop and give a prayer for Cush.

Susan
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Oct 24, 2013 - 10:23pm PT
Sorry, Dean. Take solace in that Cush feels no pain now and runs with Skadi and the others in a peaceful place. My old Lucy is probably there too with my other beagles like Rocky and Maverick.

Life is a series of dogs. Losing one is never easy, ever! But I always seem to get more. I think we all do. But it hurts real bad every time the depart.

I know how you feel, take care of the family too. God blesses Cush now.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Oct 24, 2013 - 10:53pm PT
Sorry about your dog..RJ
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 24, 2013 - 11:50pm PT
I'm so sorry, Dean.

There's no purer love or grief than that with one's dog.

This sh#t just rips my heart out.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Oct 28, 2013 - 08:22am PT
hey there, say, dean...

just wanted to drop by here... already saw the facebook post...

god bless, for you, at this sad hard time...

:(
Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
Oct 28, 2013 - 11:40pm PT
I just saw this and read through it with tears in my eyes too. I'm so sorry for your loss and hope that your sorrow will lesson with every passing day.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:25am PT
No hurry. You'll know when the time is right.
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