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John M

climber
Jan 16, 2013 - 10:55am PT
If you ain't served your nation in combat you ain't no patriot.

I haven't carried a weapon in combat. I haven't even been in the military. But I have served my country. I have worked hard to better myself and to better my country. I have worked in soup kitchens serving the poor. I have worked with gang kids to try and teach them a better way. I risked my life working with gang kids. So don't tell me I'm not a Patriot just because I haven't served in the military.

I have also done work to improve the relations that we have with our neighbors. I went to Mexico and spent a year building an orphanage. They knew I was from America and they appreciated me coming to help.

There are other things that I have done. I have marched against oppression. Marched against illegal wars. I have stood up for our military and done the best that I could to try and protect them from the war mongers.

I didn't carry a gun to try and stop the war. Was I wrong?

You say I'm not a patriot. I respect your right to say that. I respectfully submit that I am very much a Patriot and you can kiss my ass Dingus if you ever try to lord that over me.

Sincerely,
John Musgrove

P.S.. I have done a lot to help our returning Veterans readjust to life as a civilian. I have given away the last nickel in my pocket more then once to help a veteran. A veteran our country turned its back on.

You need to rethink your position Dingus.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:10am PT
John Musgrove I applaud your service to your communities and your fellow citizens. But you're no patriot. It seems you don't understand the origins of the word - but I'll sum it up for you: if you're a patriot so is Rush Limbaugh.

DMT

ps. I mean you no disrespect. But patriots are born in combat.
John M

climber
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:12am PT
if you're a patriot so is Rush Limbaugh.

Tell me one decent thing Rush limbaugh has done. Teaching hate isn't Patriotic.
John M

climber
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:14am PT
You must have your own definition of Patriotism



pa·tri·ot [pey-tree-uh t, -ot or, esp. British, pa-tree-uh t] Show IPA
noun
1.
a person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion.
2.
a person who regards himself or herself as a defender, especially of individual rights, against presumed interference by the federal government.
3.
( initial capital letter ) Military . a U.S. Army antiaircraft missile with a range of 37 miles (60 km) and a 200-pound (90 kg) warhead, launched from a tracked vehicle with radar and computer guidance and fire control.

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Care to expand on what you think a Patriot is?
toadgas

Trad climber
los angeles
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:16am PT
ps. I mean you no disrespect. But patriots are born in combat


assuming "patriotism" is a good quality in a person...then the German soldiers fighting for Nazi Germany were also patriotic?




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Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:16am PT
Decency doesn't equal patriot. Doing good deeds, selflessly serving your community, doesn't equal patriot. There are other words, good words, that apply; patriot isn't it. I think our modern world has cheapened the word beyond any real meaning and I don't buy it.

Again I mean you no disrespect nor do I in any way think less of your accomplishments. Btw, I am no patriot either and I place your deeds and community service far above my own. You DO have my respect.

But you are not a patriot. Sorry.

DMT
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:18am PT
the u.s.a. is a special country, moosie. if your definition came out of a british dictionary, that isn't good enough for me. try this one:

"to protect and defend the constitution of the united states against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

i think you guys are batting about 50 percent on that.
toadgas

Trad climber
los angeles
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:19am PT
Toting a combat rifle in combat to defend your country at the risk of your own life is patriotism


the phrase "to defend your own country" is the key here


so if someone believes that North Korea circa 1950, and Vietnam, and Iraq circa 2003 were NOT a threat to American soil, were the soldiers who fought there truly being "patriotic"


???????
John M

climber
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:22am PT
So you just make up what you want the word to mean? No wonder its so difficult to communicate in this world.

John M

climber
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:24am PT
There are lots of ways to defend ones country besides carrying a rifle. God help us if that is the only way.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:24am PT
This is nutso,
But you're no patriot. It seems you don't understand the origins of the word - but I'll sum it up for you: if you're a patriot so is Rush Limbaugh.

Really, sometimes his arrogance - I mean ARROGANCE - knows no bounds.


I know the origins of the word. You're spouting bs. Again.

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So don't tell me I'm not a Patriot just because I haven't served in the military.

That's EXACTLY right.

Moosie, see, we have our common ground. ;)
toadgas

Trad climber
los angeles
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:25am PT
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and if US soldiers fighting "imperialist wars" and "oil wars" at the behest of the out-of-control military industrial complex and US multi-national corporations are patriotic...are they (we) just as misguided as German soldiers/citizens were during the Nazi regime???




i'm confused




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Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:43am PT
John M, Dingus means you have to be a missile. Accept no substitutes.
You, Helen Keller, and Martin Luther King are just poseurs.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:57am PT
What about all those who served in combat against the US? How does their patriotism stack up against an American's patriotism?
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:59am PT
The most noxious slogan I can think of is "America, love it or leave it."

I much prefer

"America, love it by improving it."
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 16, 2013 - 12:01pm PT
Hey, Ghost, no wisecracks from a ferriner!

And if I out-ranked Dingus then I'm more of a Patriot, right?
Especially cause my gun was bigger. Jess sayin'...

Credit: Reilly

But it was really hard to tote.
neversummer

Trad climber
30 mins. from suicide USA
Jan 16, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
better to let dingus explain..
John M

climber
Jan 16, 2013 - 12:04pm PT
"to protect and defend the constitution of the united states against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

A person can't do everything. Some defend against foreign enemies, others defend against domestic enemies.

Poverty is a domestic enemy.
Not supporting our Veterans is a domestic enemy that undermines the strength of our country.

I have fought against both of those.

Maybe we need a Dingus Dictionary. That way we all can be on the same page. Words are how we communicate. If one can change the definition of a word to suit themselves, then communication becomes nearly impossible.

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 16, 2013 - 12:05pm PT
I think Dingus is just having fun trolling.

I have read his posts for years and he is a smart guy.

No way Dingus could be serious about defining ONLY combat as Patriotism


By his definition, only George Washington is the ONLY patriotic American President.

And also, almost every member of congress is NOT a patriot.

No one, absolutely no one, is so deranged to limit patriotism to combat.

Dingus is just messing with us all.

John M

climber
Jan 16, 2013 - 12:10pm PT
Norton.. He has said it before. I believe that is how he defines a Patriot. I don't accept his definition, but its his right to believe that.

If he is trolling, well then sh#t. Hooked again.
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