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Prod

Trad climber
Jan 9, 2013 - 06:56am PT
prod, you made a big production in the other thread about a climbing mag not treating climber contractors right.

So here we have an example of a business treating their employee climbers right.

So what do you do, jump in with the group, upon the announcement of the sale of the store, bashing the guy.

To what end? The store is sold. Neptune is not running it anymore. Nothing anyone says will change Neptune's management, because he won't be managing.

The point? To kick someone in the teeth on the way out.

Remember that what comes around, goes around. When you make the bonehead mistake and crater, you can look forward to a bunch of people letting your relatives know about all your deficiencies.....because that's how you want to do things, I guess. I walk to a different beat.

As for the specific issues involved with my deleted post, the relevant sources:

You must have reading comprehension problems, or you are just too anxious to get to your point and forget to read what others have written. I am not nor was I bashing Neptune. I'd bet I spent more in that store this year than 98% of the Boulder posters who spent any money there this year. I spent money there yesterday. There was no "BIG" production from me in the Climbing Mag thread, I made an observation and commented on it. And it differed from your perspective so you called me Stupid. Please keep reading below.


And I was not standing up for Locker when I called you a DICKHEAD, I was pointing out to you that you are a DICKHEAD and have shown that to be true more than once here. Just because you went through a program does not give you any right to be a DICKHEAD, apparently it is just the way you are. Personally attacking someone when you can't come up with a logical counterpoint to their argument is a DICKHEADISH move.

Cheers,

Prod.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 9, 2013 - 08:08am PT
This thread has devolved into pathetic whankering.

Locker man you made your point. You stated your OPINION and are welcome to it. Now please quit beating a dead horse. It's messy, makes a gross sound and is scaring the other farm animals. You aren't winning points, making friends or influencing people.

Greg@bentgate, dude you are a classless douche. You want to garner more customers? Try advertising. Maybe get one of those flailing armed inflatable clowns that you see in front of desperate businesses. And hey you get the bonus of a date after hours. Coming on this thread and pimping your self lends to you a foul aroma. Do you spend your free time trying to pick up widows at funerals? You come off like a sleazy ambulance chaser and you can count on me to spread the word and never spend a dime in your shop.


Bldrjac/Pam & Tami/Phil, Thank you so much for sharing your perspectives. Much respect.
Prod

Trad climber
Jan 9, 2013 - 08:13am PT
Greg@bentgate, dude you are a classless douche. You want to garner more customers? Try advertising. Maybe get one of those flailing armed inflatable clowns that you see in front of desperate businesses. And hey you get the bonus of a date after hours. Coming on this thread and pimping your self lends to you a foul aroma. Do you spend your free time trying to pick up widows at funerals? You come off like a sleazy ambulance chaser and you can count on me to spread the word and never spend a dime in your shop.

Philo, I think that is a troll and not a real Bentgate employee.

Prod.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 9, 2013 - 08:18am PT
Prod I did read up thread that it might be a troll.
It's hard to keep up with threads that take off when I am working.
If it is a troll I appologize.
If it isn't I stand by what I said.

JLP

Social climber
The internet
Jan 9, 2013 - 08:19am PT
Remember that what comes around, goes around.

I don't recall any negative comments when Culp's store went under.

I think it's pretty funny how Gary's supporters fully admit and even brag about how incredibly polarizing he could be, then take offense in the next breath at how ungrateful the same people he alienated are for not recognizing what a great community builder he was.

He ran a great frat house for a rather small part of the Boulder community, that is all I see. A bunch of people who would otherwise be cleaning toilets and flipping burgers in an otherwise elite town were given a home and a feeling of status. Threats to that world by outsiders were dealt with accordingly. I never saw a Neptune crag cleanup day or anything of the sort for the larger community - only perks for the insiders.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 9, 2013 - 08:20am PT
I don't recall any negative comments when Culp's store went under.

That's because you only see and hear what you want to see and hear.
And that becomes more evident every time you hit return.



Bob got crapped on hard here.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Jan 9, 2013 - 08:29am PT
Bob got crapped on hard

Some people pay good money for that kind of thing...as long as you're wearing leather.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 9, 2013 - 08:31am PT
Clean up in sports wear.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Jan 9, 2013 - 08:45am PT
When did we start eating our young?
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 9, 2013 - 10:07am PT


We were PLAYED like cheap Violins...

and the music made a scratchy, but SWEET sound...


FrankZappa

Trad climber
Hankster's crew
Jan 9, 2013 - 10:32am PT
The TGR thread is just some disgruntled guy ranting. I asked the employee in question at the time and as it turns out the customer/TGR tread author had thrown something at the employee (it is on video...) and THAT is why he got booted. Funny he didn't mention that in the thread....

Anyway, Gary has business for many years and sells it. CONGRATS!

And who cares what JLP thinks? He's a douchebag.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 9, 2013 - 10:47am PT
I missed something other than the boat. What is a TGR thread?


And who cares what JLP thinks?
JLP cares.
An army of one.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Trad climber
SLO, Ca
Jan 9, 2013 - 10:50am PT
Does this thread have more posts than that Chessler antique ropes thread? You Boulder guys take your retail thing quite seriously!
goatboy smellz

climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
Jan 9, 2013 - 11:05am PT
Shopping is a competitive sport in this town.
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Jan 9, 2013 - 11:23am PT
The TGR thread is just some disgruntled guy ranting. I asked the employee in question at the time and as it turns out the customer/TGR tread author had thrown something at the employee (it is on video...) and THAT is why he got booted. Funny he didn't mention that in the thread....
Funny how is wasn't mentioned anywhere in the > 700 replies over the next couple months, either, even at the peak where Neptune employees were posting any and all slander and personal information they could find on the guy. Even Gary himself chimed in. You'd think such a detail would have been highlighted.

Really, by far, it is the most hilarious internet rant thread I've ever read.

If someone got lit up and started throwing sh#t around the store - all the funnier.

In fact, it could possibly be even funnier than watching a certain employee popping veins in his forehead, sweating, turning red and throwing things around behind the climbing counter after a customer asked all the wrong questions about something I completely forget.

I've never seen such drama at REI - for sure.

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 9, 2013 - 11:27am PT
Shopping is a competitive sport in this town.

Lol shopping is a competitive sport in EVERY American town. There are few more competitive arenas in fact, outside of mortal combat.

Luckily there isn't enough profit for Walmart to be interested in us.

DMT
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Jan 9, 2013 - 11:57am PT
PH, just enjoying re-reading your postings and wanderings into the past....some great memories there! :-)
I'll make sure to get your message to Linda...
much love to you and Tami!

Thank you Pammy, you are gorgeous!


I thought of another Gary story, worth sharing, that most folks would never know about.

Gary takes on The North Face

I don't know what precipitated it, but somehow, back in '98 or '99, Gary became rankled by the business practices employed by the higher ups at TNF-Berkeley. Memory tells me that this was right on the heels of a trade show so maybe that's the source.

Having a store right next door to a North Face outlet had made the decision easy for Gary to not stock TNF gear. This changed with TNF's acquisition of A5 and then LaSportiva to follow. Now Neptunes had to deal to a degree with TNF.
It started with some stories sent to Gary from other TNF dealers complaining of strongarm tactics that caused the dealers to book ever larger preseason orders with the company.

Gary began to feed these stories through the shop's FAX machine- sending them to other dealers he thought might be interested.
Soon, not a few, but quite a lot more such stories started coming back.
Most were very unflattering of TNF and the various tools they used to leverage bigger buys from their dealers.
The whole thing began to snowball. Gary spent at least an hour a day- stuffing an ever growing stack of pages through his FAX machine.
The giant disgruntled chain letter had by this time not gone unnoticed by the muckity mucks at TNF. They were not happy about it- at all.

Then one day to follow, I was also on the line when a conference call came through for Gary from Todd (Katz?) and some other guy from TNF.

The gist of the argument was this: "Gary you don't seem to like the North Face very much- and in "good conscience" we don't think it is proper that Neptunes stock the LaSportiva brand" that TNF now owned.

To their utter amazement, Gary immediately agreed with them and promised to have all our LaSportiva product inventoried, boxed and ready to return by the next day.

I still remember the silence on the phone that followed as these guys realized their plan had completely backfired.

Gary was quite willing to box up what was his flagship line of rockshoes with no hesitation. Didn't even blink.
I remember the inventoried amount of shoes was about 12 or 13 grand at wholesale.

The blokes at LaSportiva were also stunned- as TNF had promised them that they would be hands-off in the running of LaSportiva. Colin and the Sportiva crew understood that this argument wasn't about them and they had just been used as a pawn by their new owners.

The North Face debacle peaked when the Securities and Exchange Commission halted trading of TNF stocks for a few days. Word of TNF double shipping orders and cheap accounting tricks had all come to light.

As I recall it was about a year or less, when TNF had to unload LaSportiva and they were once again their own. As soon as this happened, Neptunes continued to carry a full lineup of LaSportiva- only a bump in the road.

While it may seem like a tempest in a teacup, Gary's crusade with the FAX machine really did help to empower small gear dealers in the MidWest who didn't have the clout or profile that Neptunes enjoyed.

And during that phone call with those goons in suits, I had never been more proud of Gary. The man has balls made of solid steel.

~ph

Bldrjac

Ice climber
Boulder
Jan 9, 2013 - 12:20pm PT
Yeah, at that time wasn't La Sportiva THE best-selling rock shoe in the country, and certainly in Boulder? I remember how stunned I was when we did that (I was there then)....and it barely changed our sales, did it?
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 9, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
Nice one Phil.
Gary has got balls and class.

Credit: philo
Credit: philo



Hey JLP we all get that you are all kinds of butt hurt because the Neptune staff did not sniff your O-ring in a properly deferential manner. Obviously because you didn't measure up to their hard dude clique. So give it up. Go take your platinum card to REI. You can impress the noobers by strutting your all knowing badboi stuff there. Surely you will measure up there but might want to wear your heel lifts just to be sure.
Roots

Mountain climber
SoCal
Jan 9, 2013 - 01:01pm PT
Damn it - I never got to see their museum. Anyone know where it'll end up? - ebay maybe : )

PS Bent Gate = kick ass!
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