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bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Jan 9, 2013 - 11:45am PT
When did we start eating our young?
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 9, 2013 - 01:07pm PT


We were PLAYED like cheap Violins...

and the music made a scratchy, but SWEET sound...


philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 9, 2013 - 01:47pm PT
I missed something other than the boat. What is a TGR thread?


And who cares what JLP thinks?
JLP cares.
An army of one.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Trad climber
SLO, Ca
Jan 9, 2013 - 01:50pm PT
Does this thread have more posts than that Chessler antique ropes thread? You Boulder guys take your retail thing quite seriously!
goatboy smellz

climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
Jan 9, 2013 - 02:05pm PT
Shopping is a competitive sport in this town.
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Jan 9, 2013 - 02:23pm PT
The TGR thread is just some disgruntled guy ranting. I asked the employee in question at the time and as it turns out the customer/TGR tread author had thrown something at the employee (it is on video...) and THAT is why he got booted. Funny he didn't mention that in the thread....
Funny how is wasn't mentioned anywhere in the > 700 replies over the next couple months, either, even at the peak where Neptune employees were posting any and all slander and personal information they could find on the guy. Even Gary himself chimed in. You'd think such a detail would have been highlighted.

Really, by far, it is the most hilarious internet rant thread I've ever read.

If someone got lit up and started throwing sh#t around the store - all the funnier.

In fact, it could possibly be even funnier than watching a certain employee popping veins in his forehead, sweating, turning red and throwing things around behind the climbing counter after a customer asked all the wrong questions about something I completely forget.

I've never seen such drama at REI - for sure.

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 9, 2013 - 02:27pm PT
Shopping is a competitive sport in this town.

Lol shopping is a competitive sport in EVERY American town. There are few more competitive arenas in fact, outside of mortal combat.

Luckily there isn't enough profit for Walmart to be interested in us.

DMT
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Jan 9, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
PH, just enjoying re-reading your postings and wanderings into the past....some great memories there! :-)
I'll make sure to get your message to Linda...
much love to you and Tami!

Thank you Pammy, you are gorgeous!


I thought of another Gary story, worth sharing, that most folks would never know about.

Gary takes on The North Face

I don't know what precipitated it, but somehow, back in '98 or '99, Gary became rankled by the business practices employed by the higher ups at TNF-Berkeley. Memory tells me that this was right on the heels of a trade show so maybe that's the source.

Having a store right next door to a North Face outlet had made the decision easy for Gary to not stock TNF gear. This changed with TNF's acquisition of A5 and then LaSportiva to follow. Now Neptunes had to deal to a degree with TNF.
It started with some stories sent to Gary from other TNF dealers complaining of strongarm tactics that caused the dealers to book ever larger preseason orders with the company.

Gary began to feed these stories through the shop's FAX machine- sending them to other dealers he thought might be interested.
Soon, not a few, but quite a lot more such stories started coming back.
Most were very unflattering of TNF and the various tools they used to leverage bigger buys from their dealers.
The whole thing began to snowball. Gary spent at least an hour a day- stuffing an ever growing stack of pages through his FAX machine.
The giant disgruntled chain letter had by this time not gone unnoticed by the muckity mucks at TNF. They were not happy about it- at all.

Then one day to follow, I was also on the line when a conference call came through for Gary from Todd (Katz?) and some other guy from TNF.

The gist of the argument was this: "Gary you don't seem to like the North Face very much- and in "good conscience" we don't think it is proper that Neptunes stock the LaSportiva brand" that TNF now owned.

To their utter amazement, Gary immediately agreed with them and promised to have all our LaSportiva product inventoried, boxed and ready to return by the next day.

I still remember the silence on the phone that followed as these guys realized their plan had completely backfired.

Gary was quite willing to box up what was his flagship line of rockshoes with no hesitation. Didn't even blink.
I remember the inventoried amount of shoes was about 12 or 13 grand at wholesale.

The blokes at LaSportiva were also stunned- as TNF had promised them that they would be hands-off in the running of LaSportiva. Colin and the Sportiva crew understood that this argument wasn't about them and they had just been used as a pawn by their new owners.

The North Face debacle peaked when the Securities and Exchange Commission halted trading of TNF stocks for a few days. Word of TNF double shipping orders and cheap accounting tricks had all come to light.

As I recall it was about a year or less, when TNF had to unload LaSportiva and they were once again their own. As soon as this happened, Neptunes continued to carry a full lineup of LaSportiva- only a bump in the road.

While it may seem like a tempest in a teacup, Gary's crusade with the FAX machine really did help to empower small gear dealers in the MidWest who didn't have the clout or profile that Neptunes enjoyed.

And during that phone call with those goons in suits, I had never been more proud of Gary. The man has balls made of solid steel.

~ph

Bldrjac

Ice climber
Boulder
Jan 9, 2013 - 03:20pm PT
Yeah, at that time wasn't La Sportiva THE best-selling rock shoe in the country, and certainly in Boulder? I remember how stunned I was when we did that (I was there then)....and it barely changed our sales, did it?
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 9, 2013 - 03:21pm PT
Nice one Phil.
Gary has got balls and class.

Credit: philo
Credit: philo



Hey JLP we all get that you are all kinds of butt hurt because the Neptune staff did not sniff your O-ring in a properly deferential manner. Obviously because you didn't measure up to their hard dude clique. So give it up. Go take your platinum card to REI. You can impress the noobers by strutting your all knowing badboi stuff there. Surely you will measure up there but might want to wear your heel lifts just to be sure.
Roots

Mountain climber
SoCal
Jan 9, 2013 - 04:01pm PT
Damn it - I never got to see their museum. Anyone know where it'll end up? - ebay maybe : )

PS Bent Gate = kick ass!
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 9, 2013 - 04:51pm PT


"I never got to see their museum. Anyone know where it'll end up?"...

Supposedly the Museum is going to remain as it is, for all to enjoy...

Let's HOPE that is true!!!...

It really is a GREAT collection of stuff...




EDITED: If you read back (Prepare yourself for some strange sh!t), you'll see where a couple have posted such...

;-)




locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 9, 2013 - 05:49pm PT


SLIGHT THREAD DRIFT:

What a STRANGE turnaround!!!...

So I called over to Bent Gate to check on the BS that was recently tossed out to some of us...

Low and behold, they already KNEW about this thread (I guess someone else alerted them to it)...

Well, turns out that for ME in particular, I GUESS(???) because of the TROLL dude and perhaps because of my open SUPPORT for their business(???)...

they ARE in fact going to HONOR that offered 25% DISCOUNT on any single item in the store...

even though it was offered by a "TROLL"...

WOW!!!...

Talk about GREAT customer relations......




EDITED:

Needless to say...

as before when I answered the "TROLL"...

I DO NOT plan on using it, but DO appreciate the OFFER...
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Jan 9, 2013 - 06:51pm PT
Yeah, at that time wasn't La Sportiva THE best-selling rock shoe in the country, and certainly in Boulder? I remember how stunned I was when we did that (I was there then)....and it barely changed our sales, did it?


Pam,

As I recall we did feel some pinch at the time- mainly from having such a major shoe lineup change mid-season. Overall though we still sold boat-loads of rockshoes.

Funny thing is that this story will mostly remain a sleeper except for industry insiders. Any directly involved players will remain necessarily silent.

The bald truth is that what Gary stumbled into was a much bigger rat's nest than just pressuring of TNF dealers for fatter orders.
Gary also received many accounts of what later became known as "Stuffing the pipes" as dealers were over-shipped, sometimes double what they ordered. This was later proven to be quite intentional- the over-shipments were logged as sales. This happened at the end of each fiscal quarter and sales never looked better at TNF.
Complacent, happy stockholders had no idea what was to come.

Ironically this is still just the tip of this iceberg story, which I'll leave to others who know and are not constrained by NDAs, to reveal.
Here's a hint: check out TNF's stock history around that time .. and just preceding it. As in any case of corruption, the key question to ask, "Qui Bono?"

Throughout all of this it should be noted that the guys at Sportiva, were not involved in any part of TNF's skullduggery. They and the A5 crew remain untarnished by this event. Their integrity was and is always stellar.

Which leads us back to Gary. The mouse that roared.
No, Gary didn't single-handedly take these guys down. That would be from their own criminal misdeeds.
But Gary provided an excellent catalyst that very well could have led to more attention to this case.

Now can anyone here tell me that a board of directors for a corporation is going to have that kind of fortitude?

~Phil
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Jan 9, 2013 - 08:39pm PT
Another Neptunian that is missed.

Pete Steres at the annual Neptunes ski trip to Snowbird. <br/>
Phil, Rolan...
Pete Steres at the annual Neptunes ski trip to Snowbird.
Phil, Roland and Scott in background
Credit: Phil
~ph
hossjulia

Trad climber
Where the Hoback and the mighty Snake River meet
Jan 9, 2013 - 08:43pm PT
I was probably there^^^.
God I miss Pete.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jan 9, 2013 - 08:46pm PT
Phil...Great picture of Pete...climbed Childhood's End (5.12-) on Big Rock with him back in the 90's. He drank a least a bottle and half of wine the night before at the campground and managed to cruise the crux pitch the next morning. He kinda suffered on the hike back out. :-)
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Jan 9, 2013 - 08:58pm PT
Phil...Great picture of Pete...climbed Childhood's End (5.12-) on Big Rock with him back in the 90's. He drank a least a bottle and half of wine the night before at the campground and managed to cruise the crux pitch the next morning. He kinda suffered on the hike back out. :-)


Thanks Bob,

Yes sir, I know I'm not the only one who misses the heck out of Pete.
So many stories like yours.
He once unleashed an enormous Tarzan yell in one of the fancy restaurants at Snowbird. With the withering stares we received from other patrons, it didn't seem funny at the time. In retrospect it was the best impression of the old movie Tarzan yell I've ever heard.

Pete knew his climbs, climbers and loads of climbing history- such a great guy to run Neptune's book department.

Here's another shot that goes way back.

~ph

Snowbird way back in 1991 or so. Check out those garish jacket colors!...
Snowbird way back in 1991 or so. Check out those garish jacket colors!
F-B, L-R: Jeff, Gary, L.B., Kelly, Phil, Stevie, Jim, Dari, Kyle, Gina, Julie and couple of kids from Doc's Ski and Sports, Corinne(?) and Greg in the rugby shirt.
Credit: Phil
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jan 9, 2013 - 09:04pm PT
This is what this tread should have been from the start: A tribute to Gary, the store and all fine folks who worked there and the great customers that walk through the doors.


If you never been to Neptune's you missed something great...end of an era. Gone!
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 9, 2013 - 09:04pm PT


Oops!!!...

I REALLY am OFF at the moment...


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