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Karen

Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 29, 2012 - 11:20pm PT
I've sent well over 100 emails and have only had 3 interviews, -which by the way went excellent-, great rapport and I felt I did extremely well overall.
So what can I do?
Some people tell me to just show up unannounced at the very work sites I've applied to but heck, I cannot afford to me driving all over LA.
I did just that at a place I really want to work for and got no where.

Please if you have any suggestions I would appreciate those.

Thanks, Karen

ps I have a freakin' Master Degree, WTF???
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Dec 29, 2012 - 11:31pm PT
More details on your occupation, industry, experience?

Sounds tough, but extra time searching may result in a good job will last longer?
I.e. don't just grab anything random, if you want to stay at a good one for awhile.
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Dec 29, 2012 - 11:33pm PT
Can you create your own employment and hire others too? Start a company? I've been very impressed with one of my employees because she isn't dependent on me to provide her work, and she comes up with ideas all the time, we are starting a second company now with another idea she had.

ps. I have a business degree but imho they are useless in real life like most of what I had to learn in school. The best way to learn is to do.
t*r

Mountain climber
where the wild things are
Dec 29, 2012 - 11:51pm PT
hoh man. that sounds really uncomfortable, karen.

not sure if this would help, but if you haven't already, telling anyone and everyone you know that you're looking for a certain type of position might help - even people you meet randomly at parties and such might have leads. good first step posting here! maybe someone will email you with a lead :)

best wishes! sending love & luck from nor*cal

p.s. have you tried the VA? they've been expanding their mental health services.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 29, 2012 - 11:54pm PT
What do you know about fracking?
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 30, 2012 - 12:17am PT
Yup - Fracking is hiring all over - bunch of paramedic friends and my next door neighbor are making pretty good coin..

cheers - Riley
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Dec 30, 2012 - 06:08am PT
"I did just that at a place I really want to work for and got no where."

It takes more than just one try.

Look outside your field of expertise.

Continue to be positive.

Be persistent - "Continuing firmly or obstinately in a course of action in spite of difficulty or opposition." without being a pest.

I personally dont like working for "the man" but when I did , I never went on interviews where they would only take your resume and not have the decision maker meet with you. It is important to make that contact.

Once you have that contact you call them ,say every Wednesday at 10:00 AM.
to discuss the job. Its great if on the first meet you could get some personal info like kids, marriage hobby etc. and bring that up in your next conversation.

Act like you belong.

Forget the rejections.

Never be defeated

It will happen.

It is a numbers game.

Edit: you should be pounding on the door of the 3 interviews you thought went well.
rockermike

Trad climber
Berkeley
Dec 30, 2012 - 07:02am PT
Face it, its all a big game of musical chairs. You got caught standing when the music stopped. You've now been black listed and will never work again. Ha. Better buy a bike and ride around the world (that's what I'm doing). Gas is cheap on a bike. Good luck. :)
Michelle

Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
Dec 30, 2012 - 07:04am PT
Enlist

pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Dec 30, 2012 - 07:15am PT
As an employer, I wouldn't take emails very serious.
However, I would notice someone that took the time and effort it takes to show up at my place of business.
It's all timing.

I remember those days and it was never easy but, it always worked out.
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Dec 30, 2012 - 08:20am PT
Hey Karen.. we feel your pain. The hubby and I were tossed into that job hunt pit-o'-despair in LA for 2 years. It was the demeaning experience of my life. 1-3 interviews per 100 applications was average BTW. Degrees and experience mean nothing when there is a glut of people with the same degree applying for the same job.

Not sure what your occupation is, but your odds are better meeting people face to face. Stopping by to introduce yourself in person will give you better odds that being one random, applicant in 100s. Yes... it totally blows to waste limited funds on gas. Work with public transportation if possible.

Unfortunately... The consensus among most of the people that land decent jobs these days is that they "knew someone" who put in a good word for them, so you need to contact anyone who is in any way associated with any job you want.

Ex:

The husband started with a temp agency doing maintenance work. He was later able to land a position at an apartment complex when they were hiring full-time. The fact that he had already worked with the staff and had a good relationship with them probably helped.

I ended up with a great job, but again.. I "knew" someone (a former neighbor) who was able to recommend me. My employment record on paper (professional artist) and my business skills in person are two different animals, so I may not have been considered otherwise.
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Dec 30, 2012 - 08:24am PT
Come to China.

It's been very, very good to me.

Way better than the US.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 30, 2012 - 08:31am PT
I know people with degrees here that are working at 7-11..
My business in in the shitter, swirling slowly- and ive been applying for jobs and part time jobs.. Try being fiddy something with the last twenty years being a full time skin stretcher like myself.

Q: so what is your previous experience?

A: well ive been a commercial taxidermist.

Q: You prepare taxes?

A; sigh.....
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Dec 30, 2012 - 08:35am PT
Q: so what is your previous experience?

A: well ive been a commercial taxidermist.

Q: You prepare taxes?

Ron the answer is:

"Yes... yes I do" ;)



PS: My low-point was getting desperate enough to apply for Starbucks. They rejected my application (sans in-person interview) and sent me a letter that said "I wasn't qualified for the position". LOL Shows what the f*#k they know. Guess I wasn't young and dumb enough.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 30, 2012 - 08:55am PT
A while back i applied to the mines. For a dump truck operator- having a lot of heavy equip experience from NDOT. They said i was over -qualified and that they like t hire young/dumb folk that will be happy just driving a truck from point a to b for the next ten years.

I applied to a local "choke n puke" gas station - but they hired a 20 yr old tweaker chick instead.

Of course,, i live in the very epi-center of un employment in the country..doesnt help AT ALL...
Karen

Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 30, 2012 - 09:38am PT
I am a licensed Marriage & Family therapist with a lot of experience. In order to become licensed one must accrue 3,000 hours of direct client contact, then take two heinous exams. I have more than those 3,000 hours working with a wide variety of individuals.

I'd love to work at the VA but they do not hire LMFTS, they only want social workers-boy does this piss me off!

To open up a private practice takes quite a bit of money, which in no way do I have.

Totally open to taking a job that I am over-qualified. However, I will not work for some of the agency's that I previously worked at while obtaining my hours, reason-way and I mean way- too stressful.

Btw, I live in Long Beach so if anyone has a lead on this type of work I would be eternally thankful!

Lastly, working out of my field, hum....haven't a clue what type of job to apply for, being a therapist is my only real experience, oh and one more thing-another pisser for me-3/4 of the jobs in this field you have to be bilingual.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 30, 2012 - 09:42am PT
have you checked in to FED positions??
rockermike

Trad climber
Berkeley
Dec 30, 2012 - 09:47am PT
PS: My low-point was getting desperate enough to apply for Starbucks. They rejected my application (sans in-person interview) and sent me a letter that said "I wasn't qualified for the position". LOL Shows what the f*#k they know. Guess I wasn't young and dumb enough.

yea, tell me about it. I've worked in Banking and finance for 20 years or so. Two grad degrees and a Chartered Financial Analyst certification. Used to make solid 6 figures. Living at my mother's for now and digging ever lower into the job market. People seem to think that if you can't find work its because your standards are too high. But its more complicated than that. Went recently to my credit union who has an opening for a part time teller. $12 an hour, but its work and would give me a chance to reestablish relationships. And actually working for a credit union sounds pretty cool to me. Anyway, met the manager (just walked in)and after two questions she basically told me not to bother applying. Need "cash handling experience". I try to explain, I have 3 degrees and 140 IQ. I can learn anything in a day. Didn't fly. Of course I can understand the world from their point of view. Who wants to hire a 58 year old when there are cute and malleable 20 something co-eds walking in the door every day looking for work. But from my point of view its a tough pill to swallow. Big bank treasury departments (my old gig) won't touch a guy who's been out of work for 5 years. and for low end jobs I'm definitely overqualified. So my advisers say "lie down your resume", ie don't mention graduate degrees and down play your previous positions. Well, that is lying isn't it? And if I have to lie, why not "lie up" a bit. My brother-in-law, in similar situation, completely fabricated his last employer (who had conveniently gone out of business) and found himself back in a private office at a nice stable company. I really don't know how to play this one. So bicycling around the world it is for me.
Karen

Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 30, 2012 - 09:47am PT
Ron what is FED? Have applied to County positions (again the bilingual problem). Damn, I should have paid attention and learned Spanish in High School.

Must run now, please keep offering suggestions!!!

Thanks.
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Dec 30, 2012 - 09:48am PT
Once you have that contact you call them ,say every Wednesday at 10:00 AM. to discuss the job.

If you are able to talk with someone ASK if it would be ok to call back on a particular day and time. It shows you value that person's time. Also if you do agree call on that day and time. I have agreed to have someone call me and then they call on a different day (usually early). Strike one!

Make sure in interviews you talk about the company and what you can do for THEM! To many people talk about how working for a company would be great for the person. I want to know what you are going to do for my company. Yes, it's ok to say why you are attracted to a company (culture, community service, etc) but speak mostly to what you can do for them.

While I like hearing "I hear this is a great place to work", what really impresses me is when someone knows about the company beyond the obvious. EX. "I was really impressed that company X was willing to take some of the profits from tobacco and gun sales and use it to place bolts on Serenity Crack to make it safer." (using your best Darth Vader voice) Impressive!
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