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Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 21, 2012 - 02:10pm PT
Ok, all this gun stuff has got me thinking. I need some home protection.

My situation and thinking:

1. I live in a rural area with mostly burglary crimes to fuel meth purchases.
So I'm thinking something that will fit in a bath robe and can be used on a burglar. But I also want something with accuracy at range, since them Meth guys are fast and can run, even carrying a T.V.

2. I live well away from people.
Things like a silencer are not needed. Nobody is around to hear either the shots or the perps.

3. I'm not afraid of close contact interactions with perps.
Maybe a gun with a knife attached? It gets so boring out here on the sand that any interaction might be fun, and any physicality in the hallway at night probably carries over to my climbing.

4. My house is recently remodeled so I don't want to mess up the walls.
Through and through rounds might be a problem. Unless it is way clean. Last thing I want is a f*#king set of lungs pasted to my livingroom wall. A small hole I can deal with.

5. Must be able to get ammo at Walmart or Big 5
Our retail choices are limited out here. Cheap ammo would be good too.

Please advise...
this just in

climber
north fork
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:12pm PT
Save some money and just buy a sack of meth and it's likely they will just take that.
John M

climber
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:13pm PT
Don't Taz me bro..
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:13pm PT
Trip wires with explosives will work, even when you're passed out or not home. Just tell your dogs to jump over them

Mmm, might pose a problem with #4 on your list but a bleeding meth addict on your floor will be messy no matter what

;-)

Karl
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:17pm PT
Meh, easy one. Any autoloader 12 gauge will do.

1st round - nonlethal rubber
2nd round - bird shot
3rd round - 00 Buck
4th round - flechette (Do NOT use in the house, believe me.)

Done. Although I know you're just posting this up to rile up the masses.

You ready to sell that VW yet?
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:17pm PT
Why don't you ask your next door neighbor ?

John M

climber
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:18pm PT
After contemplating it a bit more.. I think Tiger pits would be the answer. They break into your house, they fall into the trap.. the tiger eats them. No mess.
jstan

climber
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:19pm PT
Just in's answer is on the mark. Make that a sack of unusually powerful meth. Maybe even with some enhancements.

Problem solved.
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:20pm PT
Here ya go, Mussy.
Just make sure they get outdoors first. . .

http://www.motortrend.com/classic/roadtests/8204_first_test_m1_abrams/photos/
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:20pm PT
Build a wall around your property. Embed broken glass on top of the wall. Get a mean dog.

You'll know if anyone is trying to steal your stuff. Then you knife 'em.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:21pm PT
Pigs do a better job John M and they create bacon after.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:23pm PT

They're selling "FAT FUKS WITH GUNS" (actually a Blue light special currently) at Wal Mart this week...

Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:28pm PT
This used to work quite well for me...

SPAS 12
SPAS 12
Credit: Vegasclimber
neversummer

Trad climber
30 mins. from suicide USA
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:29pm PT
Red Rider bb-gun?
John M

climber
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:29pm PT
Bacons good, but tigers are cool. He could have some tiger traps and some wild boar traps. Best of both worlds. Wild kingdom baby.. thats what I'm talking about.

On a different note, I thought Russ kept a passle of dirtbags in the basement making all sorts of doodads for him. Why not just have them patrol the property. Heck.. give them beer and put them out front and no one will ever think of robbing you. One look and the thief's will feel sorry for you and be making donations. Not taking things.

"Here dude.. you need this more then I do. Merry Christmas".
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:29pm PT
When in Rome . . . .

You are going about it the wrong way. Get some mid-eighties cars up on cinder blocks, some old bike frames, couple of old couches in the yard (free on CL), couple of pit bulls (CL again). Any kind of remodel or improvement makes you a target.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:30pm PT
Dood, just blind 'em with a 1000 watt LED flashlight and then bonk 'em on the noggin.
Easy clean up in aisle 1. We know you luv yer LED's.
bergbryce

Mountain climber
California
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:30pm PT
Funny, a friend and i were talking about this yesterday and we both came to the conclusion that if we found ourselves living in an area where we felt we actually needed a gun in our homes to feel safe, then it was time to move.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:32pm PT
Russ, I think a kill stick is the best option. It's a round deployed from a basically a baton you have to press up against the meth head's offending cranium. Usually used to dispatch crocodiles and the like.

Obvious cool factors: Close quarters. Sporting in only the way a one shot device could be. Probably incomprehensible to the gorked out lil' speed bump to boot. Fires out a nice .410 shotgun shell, rendering 140 pounds of twitching hamburger on your floor without more than one self-contained wound to the old think box.

Think about it.

edit: That or the No Country for Old Men air compressor thing. You'll develop true o dub strength in no time wrasslin' with them feisty varmints while dropping them with unorthodox weapons in close quarters.

Then you can do some real x-fit workouts while you hike the bodies out into the desert for disposal.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:34pm PT
An anecdote for Bergbryce, because I think he lives in SLT;

My ex and I moved from Meyers to SLT about five years ago. Within the first week, someone was shot a hundred feet from our house.
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 21, 2012 - 02:35pm PT
I'll look into the "kill stick" and for the sprinters maybe a crossbow with some cord attached. I f*#king hate chasing perps.

The Swine Hole thing is good too. I better warn the UPS man.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:43pm PT

Home deffense is important!!!...


















































...
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:52pm PT
- short range: pop a haulbag over their head, and dispatch with hammer. You should have some durable bags around, good for multiple uses, and this system also contains the splatter. For 2 meth heads at once, deploy the Snake Charmer.
 the sprinters: toss the special bolas, made with Fish hooks and funkness cables. Then saunter up and deploy the short range tactic to finish off.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolas

Thanks for the lolz!
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:56pm PT
Clint: LOL!

Those FISH hooks would leave a mark.

The elusive Standard and Captain FISH Hook. Took me a while to find a ...
The elusive Standard and Captain FISH Hook. Took me a while to find a set of these!
Credit: Vegasclimber
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:57pm PT


...

frank wyman

Mountain climber
helena montana
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:59pm PT
Get a Taurus.."The Judge"..With five jury members in 410 Shotshell..point and click...problem solved...
D'Wolf

climber
Dec 21, 2012 - 03:02pm PT
An official Red Ryder carbine action 200-shot range model air rifle with a compass in the stock and this thing that tells time.

Just don't shoot your eye out, kid!

Thom
Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Dec 21, 2012 - 03:02pm PT
The answer is the M18A1 Claymore mine. At 50 yards it provides a kill zone 6.5 feet high by 55 feet wide.

The drawback is that any tripwire activated configuration is prohibited by the Anti-Personnel Mine Ban Convention. So it must be command detonated.

You could take one of the Thai slave girls sewing down in the basement and put her to work manning your new Claymore Command and Control Station.

HTH
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 21, 2012 - 03:14pm PT
Go big Russ!



The Nuke Bazzooka!
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 21, 2012 - 03:19pm PT
That Glaser Safety Slug doesn't sound, well, safe! Not if you're slugged anyway.

I like the bolo idea.

Anybody in the market for an atl atl?

I guarantee Russ comes at you in some black jammies pointing a poison dart equipped blow gun at your meth addled neck, you're outta there!

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Dec 21, 2012 - 03:34pm PT
given where you live, in proximity to 29 Palms (and Pomona), you should look into getting one of these babies:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalanx_CIWS

mounted out on the periphery of your property...
could be hell on the coyotes and other small critters though...

pretty sure you can program that rig not to shoot holes in your house, get them before they get in alleviates the need for messy cleanup of the compound...

this will also work if they try to come in from the air...



no need for nukes...
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 21, 2012 - 03:38pm PT
Just don't mount it on your ride!

richross

Trad climber
Dec 21, 2012 - 03:40pm PT
Dude's the Mac 10.

Credit: richross
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 21, 2012 - 03:40pm PT
G'damn! That Phalanx rig reminded me of the Hippo Fart vid! Looks very effective for perimeter security.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 21, 2012 - 03:44pm PT
We're talking CA here. No more than 10 rounds or suppressors on that rig allowed.

Anyway, I think we're really overlooking the weapon choice of Klingon warriors everywhere:

Bathleth
Bathleth
Credit: Jebus H Bomz

I'm pretty it can also serve as OW pro in a pinch.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Dec 21, 2012 - 03:51pm PT
Lawn Darts
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Dec 21, 2012 - 04:01pm PT
Step up Russ, don't be a wuss and come at them mano e mano brah! You don't need to go shootin on people, use yer wits and if needed, fists. Thats what I did last go round I caught some jackwad trying to climb in my house window. 3am, in nothing but my skimpies ....


...talkin to the policewoman afterwards...nearly buck assed naked....3am near naked outside in teh cool night air after the post confrontation adrenaline rush: shrinkage comes to mind....humorous to me given the arsenal I'd left back inside my home.

However on the advice part, I'd personally go with a 12 ga if I could only have a single weapon. It would be a Mossberg Mariner 590. 2nd choice the 870 Marine Magnum.They typically come with full stocks but you can put the pistol grip on it. Shooting it in that configuration will work your manliness and ain't for the limp wristed. It's for personal defense only, and no joy to practice on it. Here's my son holding the short config 870 Remington. They go for under $300 I think.

Marine magnum version I'd rather have.

If I added a pistol it would be a .45 Sig Sauer P220 in stainless. They make a couple models, the Sport N being a larger, but sweeter shooter. If you go down this road, get a nice safe with an electronic lock (fast access) to keep your stuff in. Or some good hiding spots like this clock below.


Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Dec 21, 2012 - 04:01pm PT
oh, and don't forget to give your friends an "RF friendlies" transmitter...
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Dec 21, 2012 - 04:18pm PT
Meth heads are basically like zombies so I'd go with a crossbow.

Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 21, 2012 - 04:23pm PT
How about something I can also get through courthouse and TSA security, you know, in case someone tries to rob me (or worse!) in the mens room?
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Dec 21, 2012 - 04:25pm PT
Here you go Russ;

http://defensedistributed.com/
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 21, 2012 - 04:25pm PT
Gom jabbar, dude. Fear no evil.

Ever since I've employed the Gom Jabbar for home defense I've not run into any problems from any but the most disciplined of Bene Geseret witches.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 21, 2012 - 04:28pm PT
Sting. Concealable. Glows blue when Orc, goblin, or desert meth heads (basically, a ruined form of elf) are about. Made out of Elvin alloys, so probably undetectable to modern equipment.

Sting
Sting
Credit: Jebus H Bomz
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Dec 21, 2012 - 04:41pm PT
Get a couple of these,good for pickin off targets at a distance.

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Missing photo ID#152444
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 21, 2012 - 04:52pm PT
If I lived in Kali I'd have a Ruger PC4 and a stack of 10 rounders and matching pistol.
Same with a Mini 14, lots of 10 rounders.

A few riot guns rounds it out.
Make sure something has a SureFire light on it.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Dec 21, 2012 - 05:51pm PT
how about my 'Trained Skunk' defense-in-depth security system:

outer perimeter consists of signs: 'Warning, Bio-engineered Attack Skunks!'

next defensive layer has trip-wire activated squirt cannons (from toy stores) hidden in fluffy skunk cuddle toys, loaded with coverup skunk scent (purchased from hunting stores), and with supplementary aerosol horns attached (from West Marine stores)

next defensive layer is a family of very friendly de-scented indoor/outdoor skunks, carefully trained to expect food from all visitors

inner defensive layer (bedroom) consists of skunk costume pajamas and mace canisters

(go for chemical weapons, as gunpowder weapons are pretty much of a big drag, due to leaving messy bodies laying around and all the explaining, press, social controversy, and legalities involved)

zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Dec 21, 2012 - 05:56pm PT
my advice is to not let the boys in


Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Dec 21, 2012 - 06:02pm PT
Three deterrents every household needs to have posted in their front yards -

Attorney on retainer.
Kirby Vacuum Cleaner Salesman.
Jehovah's Witness Tract Peddler.

With this mix, you can rest assured that at least one will be effective in defending your hovel.
Captain...or Skully

climber
Dec 21, 2012 - 06:14pm PT
Good call, Dave...
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Dec 21, 2012 - 06:19pm PT
Link both THREADS!!!


pc

climber
Dec 21, 2012 - 06:21pm PT
Retreat.

Find someplace civilized where the cop per square mile ratio is higher than .007

And where the methhead per 1000 is less than 420

$.02,
pc
WBraun

climber
Dec 21, 2012 - 06:25pm PT
Get a moat and have the Bloot man the drawbridge.

Fuk .... I've been trolled

:-)
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 21, 2012 - 06:27pm PT
Claymores are so old school

Ya need some Spiders in the yard.




http://www.dote.osd.mil/pub/reports/FY2011/pdf/army/2011spider.pdf

There's an Ipad app for that.
crøtch

climber
Dec 21, 2012 - 07:01pm PT
Too messy for you to get involved personally, Russ. Hire some 'help' to take care of bidness.

susan peplow

climber
Joshua Tree, CA
Dec 21, 2012 - 07:26pm PT
We have hundreds of these in the backyard........not good enough?

Credit: Death Training, 29 Palms MCAGCC
Timid TopRope

Social climber
'used to be Paradise, CA
Dec 21, 2012 - 07:35pm PT
Get a rent a cop. I hear the Hamburgler is looking for a new gig and will work for food.
James Wilcox

Boulder climber
The Coast
Dec 21, 2012 - 07:49pm PT
Dude, weren't you trained in martial arts back in high school? Meth heads usually fold after one quick kick to...well, pretty much anywhere.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Dec 21, 2012 - 07:53pm PT


ARE THOSE REAL?
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
Dec 21, 2012 - 08:00pm PT
This looks like a real fun thread for a gun thread. I'll have to find time to read it! In the meantime what I have to add is that I keep a couple of cans of Bear Assault Bear spray hanging around - they're not lethal but man are they lethal! Ya just sorta don't know what yer gonna have time to grab (like in that prior post there)!
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 21, 2012 - 08:01pm PT
Scar on the left.
DEFINITELY not real.























The following post shows that one can live in Seattle after growing up in the deep south.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
Dec 21, 2012 - 08:02pm PT
They're real. That's my sister.














Hey, I've never even been to the deep south - scares me too much. I spose I sneaked a peek er 2 though.
krahmes

Social climber
Stumptown
Dec 21, 2012 - 08:04pm PT


I don't like the AK-47 much; good for the weak minded; the AR-15 is more aesthetic gun, but after the last 2 weeks you can see that the social engineering collectivicrats have that gun front and center in their sights so to speak. Hard to argue with a Glock 9mm.
Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Dec 21, 2012 - 08:14pm PT
Slavs work cheap. If the Marine's Phalanx proves too costly, you could always go old school with a Macedonian phalanx. The tweakers would be totally f*#ked.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Dec 21, 2012 - 08:26pm PT
Those are 92F's...

and the safeties are off.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 21, 2012 - 08:31pm PT
Well, sure she's taken the safety off, it's a DIY double mastectomy. I'm not sure how much tissue she's going for, but I'd call it a radical mastectomy anyway.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 21, 2012 - 08:49pm PT
92 Fs?

Well, I'm not sure that is the cup size but I'm pretty sure you are using centimeters.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Dec 21, 2012 - 09:20pm PT
Her fingers look kinda worked.

...juss' sayin'....
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 21, 2012 - 09:20pm PT
Fish's head on Lil Cowboy Bradleys' body. Strange world we live in.

edit: Hmmm.... gives me the idea. A little bit of security wouldn't hurt. And they take direction!

The B Team
The B Team
Credit: Jebus H Bomz
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Dec 21, 2012 - 10:02pm PT
"4. My house is recently remodeled so I don't want to mess up the walls."

This has to be the greatest single statement of all time!

McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
Dec 21, 2012 - 10:02pm PT
Her fingers look kinda worked.


I did not realize she was pointing at herself. I thought somebody else was holding the guns. Now that I look - I see they are my sisters hands. She used to chase me with a knife too.
aspendougy

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Dec 21, 2012 - 10:12pm PT
Hi Russ:

These stats apply more to urban areas, so maybe they don't apply as much to your situation:


"54% of firearm-related deaths occurred in the home where the gun was kept
70.5% of these (firearm-related deaths in the home where the gun was kept) involved handguns
0.5% of these (firearm-related deaths in the home where the gun was kept) involved an intruder shot while attempting entry
1.8% of these (firearm-related deaths in the home where the gun was kept) were judged by police as self-defense
there were 1.3 times as many accidental firearm-related deaths in the home where the gun was kept as self-protection shootings
there were 4.6 times as many criminal firearm-related homicides in the home where the gun was kept as self-protection shootings
there were 37 times as many suicides in the home where the gun was kept as self-protection shootings.
He concluded that "the advisability of keeping firearms in the home for protection must be questioned".[8] Critics of this study noted that it was restricted to firearm-related deaths, effectively excluding incidents in which gun owners used their firearm to injure and frighten away an intruder. But the study also excluded incidents in which individuals were non-fatally injured in a firearm accident, criminal assault or suicide attempt, as well as instances in which a homeowner used a gun to threaten or terrorize another member of the household, as sometimes occurs in the context of domestic violence. A subsequent Kellermann-led study identified both fatal and nonfatal injuries occurring in homes in 3 cities – Seattle WA, Memphis TN, and Galveston TX. It noted that for every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four accidental shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides. (J of Trauma, August 1998. pp: 263-267). He then developed the now much criticized 43:1 ratio that states every time a gun is used in self-defense, it is 43 times more likely to be used in a homicide, suicide, or accidental shooting.

The ratio was numerically accurate but, according to pro-gun groups, misleading because it compared harmful life-taking uses of guns not to life-saving defensive uses (the benefit corresponding to the harms of lives taken with firearms), but rather only to the tiny subset of defensive uses that involve killing a criminal assailant, i.e. justifiable homicides. The NRA and other pro-gun groups argued the ratio that seemed to imply a sort of cost-benefit ratio for gun ownership was actually nothing of the kind because, allegedly, it did not take account of any benefits that corresponded to its costs."

The idea is that statistically speaking, the likelihood of you using the gun effectively for self defense is quite low, compared to it being used for homicide, suicide, or accidental shooting.

I am not saying, that you shouldn't buy a gun, but be aware that even having them in the house poses its own dangers.

Sincerely
aspendougy@gmail.com



JLP

Social climber
The internet
Dec 21, 2012 - 10:20pm PT
Louisville Slugger.

Everything else is aid.

McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
Dec 21, 2012 - 10:23pm PT
That's funny - I have one sitting right next to me.
weezy

climber
Dec 21, 2012 - 10:28pm PT
Yeah, but aluminum bats make that nice ting! sound that is so satisfying.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Dec 21, 2012 - 10:29pm PT
I suggest severe torture to meth heads.

If you catch one on your property feel free to get medieval. I can't stand those f*#kers. They are the worst of all humanity.

Catch'em…
Gag'em…
Blindfold'em…
Tie'em down…

Start up the lawnmower….(I know…. you don't have a need for one.. that's what makes this so great….)

Force a finger or some toes into the lawnmower…. Once finger (toe) is severed, cauterize wound immediately. Think hot iron.

Then let 'em go after a sever beating.

Get rid of the lawnmower, the drag marks and the tracks and all the blood (just move around some of the sand)


If:
Meth head talks to the cops: Let him tell them how he came to be on your property. Not likely.
Meth head talks about a lawnmower: Ask cops what the f*#k you need one of them for and that they can search the entire compound. Not likely.

Chances are meth head ain't goin to the cops, and the story will makes it's way around town that there is a crazy lawnmower man (the desert's full of 'em) that gets off on torturing meth heads and none will venture forth from that moment on.


(P.S. Also consider your golf clubs, though cleaning the blood from the grooves might be tough… keep plenty of bleach and brushes on hand)
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
Dec 21, 2012 - 10:37pm PT
I'll bet Bruce Lee could bat bullets away.
Big Daddy

climber
mammoth
Dec 21, 2012 - 10:39pm PT


First one bird shot, next one buck shot, the next 10 slugs
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
Dec 21, 2012 - 10:43pm PT
I don't know man, that stuff just doesn't turn me on.
Brian in SLC

Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
Dec 21, 2012 - 10:43pm PT


Meets all your requirements. Puts just enough tickle on the bad guy to soften 'em up, and you can still get some exercise.

Misses easy to putty over. Fun for tippin' over empty beverage cans in the off hours.

Ammo cheap. And...it's not a firearm!

These are fun. You'll thank me later.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Dec 21, 2012 - 10:50pm PT
A 2-handed Bastard Sword.

Nobody messes with a 10 pound razor blade.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 21, 2012 - 10:52pm PT
Russ?
Russ?
Credit: Jebus H Bomz
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 21, 2012 - 10:55pm PT
alternatives?
alternatives?
Credit: Piton Ron

top item; 37mm grenade laucher.
MH2

climber
Dec 21, 2012 - 11:10pm PT
Go with your strength. Slay the bastard with no mess.

zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Dec 21, 2012 - 11:31pm PT
I'll bet Bruce Lee could bat bullets away.

You'd be a winner my friend.



bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Dec 21, 2012 - 11:46pm PT
People have their guns of choice.

Short barrel shotgun is good. Hit with bird round first, if they choose to stick around, hit them with 00 buckshot (messy).

2nd option is a .45 handgun. Stops most zombie meth-heads with 1 round. Maybe 2 rounds. Pretty clean too. I'd recommend Kimber. Pricey, but quality, bra!

Have a nice day!!
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Dec 21, 2012 - 11:59pm PT
You want clean, minimal damage to the remodel, quiet enough not to attract attention?

Get a revolver with a reasonably long barrel chambered for .22LR and use subsonic ammo. Of course shot placement becomes critical as compared to the 12 ga scatter-gun or whatever. Typically a shot to the balls from behind will get 'em runnin'.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Dec 22, 2012 - 12:14am PT
Don't fret Rambo-ettes you don't need guns for intruders just hit them with your purses.
We know you have stock piled them.Or you could load your mantyhose with pennies and flog em.




The end
photo not found
Missing photo ID#264778
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Dec 22, 2012 - 12:28am PT
photo not found
Missing photo ID#208281
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Dec 22, 2012 - 12:32am PT
That looks Way better than a sawed off, Hankster.
The barrel don't look the legal length tho.

:)
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 22, 2012 - 01:02am PT
The Taurus is pretty cool. I like the concept. Simple too, not like all these pansy ass gun modifiers running around shopping for the latest mods like they're Carrie Bradshaw at a manolo blahnik sale.

I love it when a sentence comes together.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 22, 2012 - 01:04am PT
The Governor beats the Judge, 6 shors to 5 (and it takes moon clips).
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 22, 2012 - 01:14am PT
'Spensive though. You can get a quality semi auto much cheaper.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Dec 22, 2012 - 01:16am PT
Anything else you need to know?
Anything else you need to know?
Credit: Ghost
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 22, 2012 - 01:16am PT
Ya gotta know somebody,....
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Dec 22, 2012 - 01:21am PT
Ya gotta know somebody,....

I know this guy. I think you might be able to hire him to protect your place

The Omega Man. He'll keep the meth heads and zombies off your lawn.
The Omega Man. He'll keep the meth heads and zombies off your lawn.
Credit: Ghost
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 22, 2012 - 01:23am PT
Ya gotta know somebody,....


Heh. Yeah, I don't think I'm going to spend multiples of 1k to establish those connections anytime soon.
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Dec 22, 2012 - 09:35am PT
Get yourself a bullpup-style 12-gauge automatic shotgun with some quality ammo.

Short, easy to wield around the home, lethal, fires multiple rounds

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Missing photo ID#279828
go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
Dec 22, 2012 - 09:48am PT
Try Kevin's Home Alone school of self defense!

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nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Dec 22, 2012 - 11:06am PT
got the ticket right here:

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DJ4buzk4XP9Q&h=fAQFGfa6z
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Dec 22, 2012 - 11:28am PT
Since we are having fun here (at least some people are),

I submit a:

Christmas song on the subject, that Heidi & I made up a few years back.

TO THE TUNE OF “JINGLE BELLS”

Jingle bells, shotgun shells,
Buck-shot all the way.
Oh what fun it is to blow
Them terrorists away

Dashing through the sand,
My M16 in hand.
Shooting as I go,
Shouting Ho Ho Ho!

Ragheads everywhere,
Dressed in underwear.
Should not have screwed with us,
Now their life is tough.

Perverts on the run,
They’re not having fun.
When we’re done with them,
Their terror will end.

Jingle bells, shotgun shells
Buck-shot all the way.
Oh what joy it is to sing
A slaying song today!!
Gilroy

Social climber
Boulderado
Dec 22, 2012 - 01:10pm PT
More what I expected from nature.

http://www.shopjapan.ca/Merchant2/graphics/00000002/Yanagi-Sushi-Knife-Hidemune9-full.jpg
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Dec 22, 2012 - 01:13pm PT

Credit: locker
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Dec 22, 2012 - 01:13pm PT



Credit: locker
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Dec 22, 2012 - 01:13pm PT



Credit: locker
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Dec 22, 2012 - 01:14pm PT



Credit: locker
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Dec 22, 2012 - 01:14pm PT



Credit: locker
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Dec 22, 2012 - 01:16pm PT



Credit: locker
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 22, 2012 - 02:44pm PT
Locker:

The Eagle has Landed! Put it on my tab! Thanks dude you are the Mack!
Rare Mojave Eagle
Rare Mojave Eagle
Credit: Russ Walling
Bill Mc Kirgan

Trad climber
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
Dec 22, 2012 - 03:26pm PT
Russ,

Maybe get you one of these and prop it up inside by the front door hinges.



Home invaders will be surprised when you go all Duncan McCloud on 'em.

And if that never happens you can still have fun carving the turkey at Thanksgiving.


locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Dec 22, 2012 - 03:30pm PT

Eagles are such beautiful birds...

...

FRUMY

Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
Dec 22, 2012 - 11:32pm PT
I've never seen one of these Mojave Eagles before. Thanks for turning me on to this --- all these years spent climbing & hiking in JT & I've clearly missed the best of it.

Oh, Russ I know you said you didn't want to mess up the walls ---- but forget the gun you might miss --- one gallon of high test gas will do the trick. You don't even have to be in the same room.

You do have to be fast on your feet.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 28, 2012 - 04:58pm PT
Found just what you need Russ

Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Dec 28, 2012 - 05:58pm PT
What if you went medieval on their asses? What's wrong with one of the old standards: cauldrons of molten lead on the roof.



Since you're pretty handy sewing and all, you shouldn't have too much trouble stitching together an operator.

kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Dec 28, 2012 - 07:39pm PT
It seems now that a ban on all assault knives is eminent, so you'd better get out and pick up a few before they are gone.
Ezra Ellis

Trad climber
WA, & NC & Idaho
Dec 28, 2012 - 07:47pm PT
Russ, one of the best Trolls ever, thanks for the laughs, seriously!!!!!!!
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 28, 2012 - 08:35pm PT
^^^^^^

BES: how many guns do you have and do you know where I live?
Chief

climber
The NW edge of The Hudson Bay
Dec 28, 2012 - 08:59pm PT
Russ, I was twitching at the keyboard like a Cutty to a Stonefly.
Adroit "matching of the hatch" and perfect presentation.

PB
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Dec 28, 2012 - 09:43pm PT
Im new to all this gun defense meth stuff and just joined in without reading much so excuse me if this obvious one has been stated.

Its your basic 3 step plan.




1.Blare RUSH outside 24/7 to attract em

Rush 2112 Full Album
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj_JM_4gtwQ



2.Have Sally sit outside 24/7 -he's there anyways isn't he?

3.Have him sell the killer shlt(arsenic) to them and profit off the damn mess.

Actually no mess, they go far away never to return

and the meek shall inherit the earth
crøtch

climber
Dec 28, 2012 - 09:53pm PT
Turn this guy loose in the back of the compound.
Michelle

Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
Dec 28, 2012 - 10:08pm PT




what about a speargun?

Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 28, 2012 - 10:20pm PT
A full WOO HOO to Russ for this troll we are thankful for, oh lord...

So, gun nutz... What's protocol after comfortably pumping some from your Bullpup into your child who crept up on you in the night after peeing their pants ?

Tough sh#t ? they didn't identify themselves while outside of the perimeter ?

Get a pig to clean up after those unfortunate jams life presents. The bacon from that hog will be extra sentimentally tasty !

What was that child thinking ? I guess there's room for Darwinism after all... Maybe not, you do have to walk the walk if you want to stand tall in the congregation.

Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Dec 28, 2012 - 10:25pm PT
That's one big dam FLY, crotch.
DanaB

climber
CT
Dec 28, 2012 - 10:37pm PT
How about a nice hug? They probably just need a hug.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 28, 2012 - 10:41pm PT
That's awfully socialist of you to your children.

How about setting a good example ?
DanaB

climber
CT
Dec 28, 2012 - 10:53pm PT
Oh, and why do you want to defend your home? Material things can't make you happy.
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Dec 28, 2012 - 10:59pm PT
Move.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 28, 2012 - 11:07pm PT
HAHAHAHA !

I'd laugh more but I have a shooting pain.




















It wouldn't be right to show my fingernails after a good roid scratch.
Jim Clipper

climber
from: forests to tree farms
Dec 28, 2012 - 11:19pm PT
Get a Russian. Promise a sponsorship that includes an extended stay at the compound. They can probably lead you up a full conditions ascent of double cross to boot. That would be like, free advertising from the mags.



Money shot at 5 min. and change.
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 29, 2012 - 01:20pm PT
I'm pretty sold on that thing... I liked the part where the Russian bloke says, "It will f*#k their sh#t up" with that Russian accent.

No recoil is good too since my shoulders have a nasty habit of slipping out of joint. Can I get one of these at Big 5 or Walmart?
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Dec 29, 2012 - 01:24pm PT
Move.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Dec 29, 2012 - 01:25pm PT
Chase them down wit this, Russ


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Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 29, 2012 - 01:53pm PT
Crankster: thanks for your one word insights. I got it the first time.
Jim Clipper

climber
from: forests to tree farms
Dec 29, 2012 - 01:58pm PT
I think there are some pretty relevant truisms in that video:

Credit: Jim Clipper

"This is your select fire"

Also, us 'mericans are soft. If their govn'ment didn't screw it up for them, we would all probably be snackin' on borsct bout now.
tiki-jer

Trad climber
fresno/clovis
Dec 29, 2012 - 04:30pm PT
The Magpul fmg9
Almost looks like a VHS cassette
Almost looks like a VHS cassette
Credit: tiki-jer

http://youtu.be/enzlTEysYVU

Or Nunchuks
Oh Yeah
Oh Yeah
Credit: tiki-jer
prickle

Gym climber
globe,az
Dec 29, 2012 - 06:20pm PT
Jesus christ russ every serious aid man i know has a .357 magnum and a pitbull...

I thought it was part of the standard rack....

but seriously get yourself a revolver and learn how to shoot it well, you won't regret it.
prickle

Gym climber
globe,az
Dec 29, 2012 - 09:01pm PT
you need that ruger chambered in .454 casull for the grizz, and I would still sh#t my pants if one charged...
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Dec 29, 2012 - 10:29pm PT
anyone thinks they need a sidearm to hunt with a rifle needs to learn how to shoot the rifle better.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Dec 29, 2012 - 10:44pm PT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8iX8Lnogf4&feature=player_embedded
More cool russian sh#t.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 29, 2012 - 10:59pm PT
Sorry.

Kali is just for "raids".
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Dec 29, 2012 - 11:01pm PT
OMG there are a lot of drunk Russians!http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=E-l4w-DIiXk&NR=1
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 29, 2012 - 11:06pm PT
As a rule it is easier to count the ones that aren't.
Jim Clipper

climber
from: forests to tree farms
Dec 29, 2012 - 11:08pm PT


За женщин!
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Dec 29, 2012 - 11:54pm PT
Dr F,

It's tough to tell how big that gun in your picture is without someone standing next to it, for scale.





Bruce Morris

Social climber
Belmont, California
Dec 30, 2012 - 02:03am PT
This S&W 460XVR may meet all your home defense needs:

Credit: Smith & Wesson

SKU: 170280


Performance Center
• Chrome Hammer
• Chrome Trigger with Trigger Stop
• PC Tuned Action

Smith & Wesson's Model 460XVR™ has the highest muzzle velocity of any production revolver on earth. The Model 460XVR™ is so revolutionary that it required an entirely new designation...XVR, X-treme Velocity Revolver. Performance Center guns originate from standard designs or are created from the ground up. From hand-cutting and fitting to fine tuning for precision, these firearms are top performers. Products from the Performance Center are the ultimate expression of old-world craftsmanship blended with modern technology.

The price isn't bad either: $1,617.oo and since it's a single action/double action 5-round revolver, is fully legal to own. Hit any human anywhere in the body with one of those slugs and blood pressure goes right down to zero. No near misses.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 30, 2012 - 02:36am PT


Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 30, 2012 - 02:47am PT
BOOM! Hahahahaha...
hooblie

climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
Dec 30, 2012 - 03:52am PT
under pressure, home depot quit selling these

Credit: hooblie

but nice price on trash cans
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Dec 30, 2012 - 04:20am PT
If you really want to keep them away hang some of these in your window.







As a bonus people at airport security will be too freaked out to say anything if they're in your luggage.

I guess the risk is that it WILL be an invitation to some.

Edit: uh-oh did I just have a locker blue dildo moment?

Edit 2: I just realized the heeldo may be an excellent finger/fist offwidth crack climbing tool. Think how stylish you'd be wearing two and Da Brim!
prickle

Gym climber
globe,az
Dec 30, 2012 - 07:12am PT
Any lawyer in here please advise if fully auto guns are
legal for anybody in the US including military? If so
what make and model and please specify why private
militias or otherwise can't buy fully auto AR 15's
or M16's?

you need a Federal Firearms License or as we call it an "FFL"

The Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 addressed the abuses noted in the 1982 Senate Judiciary Subcommittee report. Among the reforms intended to loosen restrictions on gun ownership were the reopening of interstate sales of long guns on a limited basis, legalization of ammunition shipments through the U.S. Postal Service (a partial repeal of the Gun Control Act), removal of the requirement for record keeping on sales of non-armor-piercing ammunition, and federal protection of transportation of firearms through states where possession of those firearms would otherwise be illegal. However, the Act also contained a provision that banned the sale of machine guns manufactured after the date of enactment to civilians, restricting sales of these weapons to the military and law enforcement. Thus, in the ensuing years, the limited supply of these arms available to civilians has caused an enormous increase in their price, with most costing in excess of $10,000.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Dec 30, 2012 - 12:37pm PT
I know a couple of people with full autos. I've been told its a six month federal permitting process.

I want one of those AA-12's. But then, it'd just be another expensive toy that I don't really need.
DanaB

climber
CT
Dec 30, 2012 - 07:51pm PT
We haven't heard from Russ in a while.
I hope one of those tweakers didn't get him.
prickle

Gym climber
globe,az
Dec 30, 2012 - 07:54pm PT
holy sh#t a CT climber, nice to meet ya'

russ needs a .357 and a pitbull to keep the tweakers off..
grover

climber
Northern Mexico
Dec 30, 2012 - 08:35pm PT
one that shoots 10$ meth bags?
Mimi

climber
Dec 30, 2012 - 08:40pm PT
LOL, Jim! What artillery.

Looking forward to meeting you in BC next season.
bit'er ol' guy

climber
the past
Dec 31, 2012 - 12:49am PT

REALLY?

You need an assult wepon to deal with a meth head?

WHAT?

Seems like any self respecting climber could take down a skinny sleep deprived loser in a little old fashioned hand to hand combat.

But if near death zombies scare you that much....

well....you know what your made of.
Roots

Mountain climber
SoCal
Sep 11, 2013 - 11:39am PT
Didn't read the whole thread so if already suggested, please accept my apology:

An XD9 and/or Mossberg 500.
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 11, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
I ended up going with five of the AA12 rigs, two of which I stashed up on the hill above the compound.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Sep 11, 2013 - 03:17pm PT
Interesting choice...

I like your choice Russ, but why only 5? LOL. Pretty small Zombie army you must be forming down there in the desert. For myself, I went with Vepr 12's. No expensive full auto registration costs. 2 of the 3 we had out on a recent climbing trip, I might have a photo of one on a Fish Haul bag ...I'll look.
Todd Gordon

Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
Sep 11, 2013 - 03:22pm PT
The bad guys have to get by Mr. Troll sir and Beebop's armegeddon-ready zombie apocolypse weapons depot;....I think you are safe.........
can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Sep 11, 2013 - 03:24pm PT
I always thought your rapier-like wit and liberal alcoholic host would have been enough.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Sep 11, 2013 - 03:30pm PT
In the city


In the country


The American myth...
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Sep 11, 2013 - 03:35pm PT
Fish bags, you can rely on them to knott fuk yer sh#t up.

AK style Russian shotguns after a great day of climbing.

Combo platter climbing and shooting trip.
Combo platter climbing and shooting trip.

hmmm....or is that a Black Diamond?



Metolius?


Hmmmm ......
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 11, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
^^^^
Fish bag for sure. I recognize some late night crooked stitching.

No expensive full auto registration costs.

Registration? What is that? Is that the thing where you fill out all sorts of Govt paperwork and then at some time in the future Obama comes to your house with Steven Seagal and takes all your weapons?

Cough up them AA12's GillMan or I'll open fracture your ass!
Cough up them AA12's GillMan or I'll open fracture your ass!
Credit: Russ Walling
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Sep 11, 2013 - 04:05pm PT
Crooked stitching? Not mine. It's perfect. Like everything I've ever gotten from you.


As far as Da Gubmint paperwork goes - yup, comes with the territory. They even fingerprinted me. Again. Use to have a secret security clearance BITD which involved fingerprints and the FBI doing research, so they should know who I am.
Andy KP

climber
Sep 11, 2013 - 04:57pm PT
In Great Britian only farmers, the Royal Family and drug dealers have guns (a few police have them, but they don't have any bullets). The militery sometimes also have guns, but they tend not to work (we designed them that way), and any ammo needs to be borrowed from you yanks (we knew you have plenty). So if you want a gun for home defence (most people in the UK live in Castles anyway) then you have to make your own:

Scrotum blaster MKii
Scrotum blaster MKii
Credit: Andy KP

Saying that we don't have meth heads in the UK, but we do have Scotish people (but they are very hard to kill, but easily scrared off by fresh fruit).

Andy
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 11, 2013 - 05:07pm PT
Saying that we don't have meth heads in the UK, but we do have Scotish people (but they are very hard to kill, but easily scrared off by fresh fruit).

hahaha! Nice one!

That scrotum buster is pretty nice looking. Does it fire neeps or what?
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Sep 11, 2013 - 05:16pm PT
Registration? What is that? Is that the thing where you fill out all sorts of Govt paperwork and then at some time in the future Obama comes to your house with Steven Seagal and takes all your weapons?

probably won't be anytime in the near future...

Credit: Global Warning III
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Sep 11, 2013 - 05:22pm PT
^^^^^He's an Aikido master. That look is just deception, so that you don't step to him and get killed by his undoubtedly still-honed skills. You'd have to get by the gut first, then the moobs, and deal with those guns, and everyone knows that ain't going to happen.
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 11, 2013 - 05:38pm PT
This should be required reading:

http://www.vice.com/read/steven-seagal-is-the-lamest-guy-ever
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Sep 11, 2013 - 05:53pm PT
A comedic genius, a martial arts master, a chicken killer, healer, clairvoyant, a guy with bad hair plugs in an Eddie Munster widow's peak...What isn't this great man?
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 11, 2013 - 06:17pm PT
Don't forget incarnate Tibetan Lama

Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Sep 11, 2013 - 07:08pm PT
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Sep 11, 2013 - 07:45pm PT
“How about something I can also get through courthouse and TSA security, you know, in case someone tries to rob me (or worse!) in the mens room?”

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Missing photo ID#320765

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Missing photo ID#320766


Use one of these: Two ends for different puncture points as in nerve damage and flesh thrashing and if for some reason you feel that might not work on the guy coming towards you [as in big or large] then unscrew the end and stick the open ended pen into his heart or body organ providing you have already assess the first thought that you might be in trouble.

I would at least say “Hi, how are you today” making eye to eye contact that will give you enough time.

Now that you stabbed him with the pen and he is dying, you are now safe until you hear someone is yelling out “where is the judge?” and then you hear some say” he’s in the bath room” good luck.

Had jury duty: Here or in our town, we our short on space so there are two buildings [1] Jury courthouse conference room [2] then the Court house where the actual trial and sentencing is.

Bailiff [not old but young as in sheriff unit] went through the entire do’s and not to do’s. Of course no weapons of any kind, knives especially. Hmmm? I wait till things to mellow out since I am caring one of these, I discreetly go over his way and made sure that the rest of the jury selection could not see what I had in my hand and told him I could take it back to my car which had the sticker for that day as in you would not get a ticket.

Told and showed him of nerve points and trashing techniques to the back of my hands where and what points to hit next to the small bones when grabbed, then said but did not point to the areas one could use towards the head and neck areas to disable a person, and then opened the pen end said you could puncture into an organ part of one’s body.

He picked it up, looked at it, gave it back and said “let’s call it a pen”. Went through second building where security panels as beep, beep, old lady has no clue, sheriff looks at her and nods Ok.

No picky on this one. Rape case where the defendant was black; they picked all women for the exception of two men. Guy was found not guilty.

As for TSA security do not explain the above just say it is a pen they will not figure it out.

Where do you get them and things that might interest you in your journey, I see Chris has a sponsor or vender on the ST site: DVOR or go the their site: http://www.crkt.com/Elishewitz-Tao-Pen---Aluminum Discounted with DVOR



Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Sep 11, 2013 - 08:02pm PT
Russ you need to reconsider that Russki full auto rig. The Chief is onto something. Nothing makes a tweaker's blood run cold faster than the sound of a 12GA pump gun racking a round.

Of course there are some pretty mean pump guns out there...

UTAS UTS-15
UTAS UTS-15
Credit: Ksolem
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Sep 11, 2013 - 08:23pm PT

Credit: lostinshanghai


Hell buy Chinese they are cheaper. Wonder if they work guess you would have to find out and say shoot at me?

I have seen their riot guns and would not like to be behind one.

Edit: no booze yet in front of one rather than behind but have been or used a few other ones not their shot guns.
GhoulweJ

Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
Sep 11, 2013 - 10:01pm PT
Russ,
This all you need... I need more than this, but for you, this will work:

















Credit: GhoulweJ
Fish Finder

Social climber
Jul 16, 2014 - 08:23pm PT
Hows the fort holding up


you could always beat the snot out of them with a big pry bar while wearing overalls !!!!!!



Bump


locker

climber
Dec 1, 2017 - 04:16pm PT


LMfukingAO!!!...

"#Datura"...
Fossil climber

Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
Dec 1, 2017 - 08:01pm PT
AR15 under the Christmas tree? Probably pretty common in Alabama.They are very forgiving. Heard a lady say, "Well, Jesus said we should forgive, so I forgive Mr. Moore and will vote for him." I'd like to ask, "Would you still forgive him if he was a Democrat?"
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Dec 1, 2017 - 09:09pm PT
Would she forgive him if the 14 year old girl was her daughter? Phew...have you ever heard anyone admit they were from Alabama?
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Dec 1, 2017 - 09:36pm PT
Credit: thebravecowboy
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Dec 1, 2017 - 09:39pm PT
Jim, 14 is practically an old maid down yonder.
--B Bermingham aka "Li'l Rock"
mastadon

Trad climber
crack addict
Dec 1, 2017 - 09:47pm PT
You can buy just about anything in Nevada,,,



BTW-if anyone ever points an automatic weapon at you, do whatever they say. I absolutely shredded the target at the far end of the range.
Bargainhunter

climber
Dec 2, 2017 - 12:18am PT
Just an unsolicited PSA here:

Please secure your firearms in a responsible manner, e.g. in a gun safe bolted to floor and wall studs (or transport it in a heavy duty lockbox that's thru bolted in your car) so that children and petty thieves don't discover it and commit more avoidable tragedies. I'd love to see some gun reform laws where guns are treated as privileges instead of birthrights, and can only be owned with requisite and demonstrated ability to safeguard them from the irresponsible.

Kate Steinle (whom Trump is currently using to promote his anti-immigrant agenda and racist anti-Latino views) was killed because a federal officer left his gun unsecured on the floor of his car in SF (a city notorious for rampant car break ins) while he ate dinner. The gun was stolen because he didn't lock it in a gunsafe secured to his vehicle. Gun ownership is an extremely serious responsibility. If you fail to secure your weapon, I feel you should be prosecuted for any crime that takes place when it's stolen. This irresponsible BLM officer should be tried for manslaughter. I'd love to see some new gun laws (and high profile prosecutions) that reinforce this concept.

Want to know how the severely mentally-ill Adam Lanza got his guns? From Mom's gun safe. She gave him the combo, and was his first victim. Then he went to Sandy Hook Elementary School. Enough.

(FYI I'm a long time gun owner, hunter, and recreational shooter.)
c wilmot

climber
Dec 2, 2017 - 06:37am PT
Thankfully the man who shot Kate Steinlee to death will be released back into the streets of SF soon as mandated under their sanctuary city laws

Remember- it's best to blame the victim whose gun was stolen rather than the career criminal living in the US illegally who stole it and then used it to commit a homicide

Keep it real SF
xCon

Social climber
909
Dec 2, 2017 - 06:41am PT
you forgot to stomp a kitten while you were at it...
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Dec 2, 2017 - 08:45am PT
I love the bit about prosecuting the cop who locked his firearm in his car because it wasn't locked enough... classic...

Evil finds a way. Most any mobile gunvault type boxes are cheap steel easily defeated with a large screwdriver. While it might be a good idea it won't stop a determined scumbag and hardly rises to actual criminal negligence.

The fault lies with who stole that firearm and who pulled the trigger. Stop blaming victims of that evil.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Dec 2, 2017 - 08:48am PT
you do understand that the weapon was pointed at the ground when the shot that killed Ms. Steinle was fired, right wilmot? undisputed fact.


and yeah, fear, guns, like alcohol are ubiquitous, accessible and available to youth and mentally disturbed alike. what of it?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 2, 2017 - 09:57am PT
Cowpoke, why does it matter where the gun was pointed?
It was fired and a young woman died. I guess that was too
tough for a San Fran jury.

#resultsmatter
c wilmot

climber
Dec 2, 2017 - 10:04am PT
Undisputed?

By his own account he claimed he was aiming at seals, then he said he stepped on the gun and it went off, then it was the gun went off on its own, then it was the gun went off when he accidentally grabbed it...

The only undisputable fact is that mr zarate fired the shot that killed Ms Steinle. Along with the fact he threw the gun into the ocean and ran away.
xCon

Social climber
909
Dec 2, 2017 - 10:05am PT
results matter?!?

like how the outcome in lraq and Libya and Vietnam and korea not to mention here at home for the indian or the slaves is considered when our culpability is considered?

intention plays a great deal in respect to the law as the over prosecution of minor infractions and the under prosecutions of major audacities clearly illustrates...


Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 2, 2017 - 10:09am PT
^^^ Thread drift much?

#gerbilfocus

But I’d love to talk about ROE’s and BDA!
xCon

Social climber
909
Dec 2, 2017 - 10:13am PT
you used the phrase "results matter"

doesn't your selective implementation or warrant concideration?
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Dec 2, 2017 - 10:13am PT
the prosecutor's expert witness points out that the slug removed from Ms. Steinle was flattened. there was a divot in the concrete that matched a plausible clear line of travel by ricochet.

for a person so afraid of the guvmint wilmot you sure seem to lack empathy for the man under the hot bulb with cops prodding left and right to get you to say something, to say anything. too bad no one told him to STFU when the pigs show up.

If picking up a gun and irresponsibly playing with it is the crime here, then lock me up. (sure, sure, he was in a place where to do so was inappropriate, etc.): I'd call it manslaughter.



v as you have pointed out, wilmot, his story has changed repeatedly. almost like he constructed (probably under intense scrutiny) various versions to try and please the Pigs/save his ass.
c wilmot

climber
Dec 2, 2017 - 10:15am PT
Was he playing with the gun after he was shooting at seals?

His account differs from your version of events
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Dec 2, 2017 - 10:19am PT
so: Manslaughter, I say.

You think Murder 1, wilmot?
xCon

Social climber
909
Dec 2, 2017 - 10:42am PT
any charge must be 'defined' for the jury during its instruction in order for it to be tasked at reaching a verdict,

how was manslaughter defined for the jury in this case?

aside from the charge actually being 'involuntary manslaughter"...
zardoz

Trad climber
Colorado Springs, CO
Dec 2, 2017 - 05:45pm PT
If you're not really a "gun guy" I would go with a 38 special revolver. Any brand will be fine. Get about a four to six inch barrel and a grip that is comfy.

Pros: Will do the job and pleasant to shoot. Not too pricey. Extremely simple, so no cycling of the slide to load. No jamming and you can just pull trigger through missfires. You can pistol-whip people with it with confidence. Easy to check to see if loaded. Does not require a magazine.

Cons: shoots six rounds, so hit something quickly. Not fast to reload. People will think you are not a serious gun person if you don't have some sort of semi-auto. You might be mistaken for an old cop.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Dec 2, 2017 - 05:48pm PT
I like the pistol whip feature....Saves on buying ammo...
xCon

Social climber
909
Dec 2, 2017 - 07:39pm PT
if your really concerned about being safe in your home your money would be far better spent on several of these...

Credit: xCon

with what you save you could afford some counseling to address the irrational fears your manifesting...
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Dec 2, 2017 - 07:42pm PT
those 8 shot S&W 357s are great to leave mounted by the guest bed, in the closet, etc, in case kids visit, meth-heads come and steal my $$$ elk shed pile (again), coyotes f*#k with my dog (again), or I wanna just shoot through all the walls in the house at 2am for some reason. the little fowling pelletrounds might be interesting to alternate with some of those queer little rubber ball cartridges for "home use/defense"
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Dec 2, 2017 - 07:47pm PT
I'm going with trip wires and punji sticks. Less collateral damage.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Dec 2, 2017 - 07:56pm PT
i mean, whatever's handy, right? there's that sharp old machete from your trustafari ex's crazy cool mom, the sod spade, the double-headed beaver-pointed birch clobberstick, the pick mattock handle you found in the dumpster, the bear spray, etc. guns are such wonderful and demonstrably omnipermanent penetrating pseudophalli thoughs. I like guns.

I don't go to theaters any more. The back double doors of the 300 seat college lecture halls snapped like mousetraps to my ear...but the dudes packing 50 cal six guns in ice cream halls don't really make me feel much better.

I dunno, sure hate to be outgunned though. Nobody likes a small pecker, pseudo or other.


v the 12 ga American classic (~67% of households?). the equalizer: a 12 year old kid with five minutes instruction vs the samurai. v
Fossil climber

Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
Dec 2, 2017 - 08:14pm PT
Short 12 ga. pump or auto. If you're worried about cleaning up afterward, you are worrying about the wrong thing.
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Dec 2, 2017 - 11:37pm PT
Airsoft M134-A2 motorized Gatling gun.

 550 fps
 3000 rpm
 6 rotating barrels
 2000 round internal hopper magazine
 CO2 or compressed air (150 psi)
 12 volt drive motor





CNC machined from metal alloy and constructed to a 1:1 scale, the M134-A2 looks as good as it performs and encourages the enemy to surrender, even before those barrels start spinning.


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donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Dec 3, 2017 - 08:39am PT
If you have a little skill a 9mm Cobra Derringer should suffice and there won’t be any gore on the carpet.
jonnyrig

climber
Dec 3, 2017 - 08:43am PT
Big D giving firearm advice?
Looks like the devil needs long - johns for Christmas.


Nobody really needs a gun, right? I mean, if I want to hunt pigs with a knife you're all good with that, right? Oh wait, California's specifically banned that too. Something about it being cruel you the animal I think...
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Dec 3, 2017 - 08:47am PT
If you're not really a "gun guy" I would go with a 38 special revolver. Any brand will be fine. Get about a four to six inch barrel and a grip that is comfy.

Pros: Will do the job and pleasant to shoot. Not too pricey. Extremely simple, so no cycling of the slide to load. No jamming and you can just pull trigger through missfires. You can pistol-whip people with it with confidence. Easy to check to see if loaded. Does not require a magazine.

Cons: shoots six rounds, so hit something quickly. Not fast to reload. People will think you are not a serious gun person if you don't have some sort of semi-auto. You might be mistaken for an old cop.

I agree. Lots of good advice in this post. Especially the last sentence.
jonnyrig

climber
Dec 3, 2017 - 08:50am PT
Revolvers aren't fast?
Nah bro, like big D says, all you needs a little skillz.

Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Dec 3, 2017 - 08:53am PT

What about some rounds of NVC?
zardoz

Trad climber
Colorado Springs, CO
Dec 3, 2017 - 09:25am PT

I agree. Lots of good advice in this post. Especially the last sentence.

Thanks, Jody. I actually read many of those sentiments the other day and added a few of my own.

Now personally, I like a .45 with a double column magazine. Currently I have an FN. I shot it with a female friend a while back and it failed to cycle because she limp wristed it. It also won't shoot Walmart White Box ammo (Winchester cheapo). So that puts it in the dog house for general use. It shoots fine in my hands and I run a hotter load in it.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Dec 3, 2017 - 09:49am PT
Jonnyrig, there is a reason I am offering gun advice. I think that the Derringer pistol can be an answer to the Second Amendment dilemma.
The Second Amendment can be amended to read....” the right to bear Derringer pistols...”
This will have the salubrious benefits of....
No more mass shootings.
Increased tracking and stalking skills for hunters who want to be successful.
More suicides by guns will move to the attempt column.
Major increases in the woodcock, duck and quail populations.
And
Macho hunters seeking apex predator trophies would have the fulfillment (should they survive) of going mano a mano.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 3, 2017 - 09:49am PT
she limp wristed it.

You need to give her a FN 5.7 for Xmas!
WBraun

climber
Dec 3, 2017 - 09:53am PT
The intelligent class does NOT need gun.

The st00pid modern gross materialists always manipulate the gross material energies inefficiently due to their terrible poor fund of knowledge.

St00pid modern gross materialists ......
jonnyrig

climber
Dec 3, 2017 - 09:54am PT
Ok. That's funny right there.
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Dec 3, 2017 - 10:07am PT
The Center for Disease Control has been keeping records on this subject for many decades. And here is what they found:

Let's consider the situation when a home defense weapon is fired.

In ninety percent (90%) of the such cases, when a home defense weapon is fired, an intruder is not involved. Instead, the gun is used by a resident of the home to kill another resident of the home.

Of the 90% of the above cases, almost 100% of these are one of the following:
Husband shooting the wife
Boyfriend shooting his girlfriend
Young male committing suicide

See a pattern here? If there is a male living in the home, then people in the home will be safer if a home defense gun was not present.

I'm just saying.
another nickname

Social climber
Yazoo Ms
Dec 3, 2017 - 12:26pm PT
I've got my entire apartment rigged to blow up the minute an intruder is detected by my highly technical detection technologies, which I can't talk about on the internet.
moosedrool

climber
Andrzej Citkowicz far away from Poland
Dec 3, 2017 - 12:47pm PT
I was thinking about training rattlers for home defense.

My attempts with cats were unsuccessful.

Moose

P.S. Is Jody for hire?
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Sacramento, CA
Dec 3, 2017 - 01:02pm PT
thoughts and prayers
thoughts and prayers
Credit: Jebus H Bomz

Prayer is the answer.
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Dec 3, 2017 - 02:27pm PT
zardoz...keeping it simple is always the best way to go. The .38 special revolver is what I trained at the academy with but we transitioned two years later to semi-auto. I STILL prefer the revolver. I keep a couple of speed loaders with it and can reload in about 1.5 seconds. I have always figured that if I need more than 6 I would be in deep poop anyway.

As far as limp wristing goes...another reason to stay with revolvers. I have seen more malfunctions because of limp wristing than anything else.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Dec 3, 2017 - 02:38pm PT
What about the M79. Accuracy not important in close proximity and boy those it ever deliver an explosive charge. Of course the collateral damage might include your tropical fish aquarium.
xCon

Social climber
909
Dec 3, 2017 - 03:15pm PT
revolver as well and make it hammerless...
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Dec 3, 2017 - 03:24pm PT
Why hammerless?
xCon

Social climber
909
Dec 3, 2017 - 04:02pm PT
I still think of legal home defense as a "get off me" or "back up now" situation...

simplest operation
least chance of accidental discharge
7SacredPools

Trad climber
Ontario, Canada
Dec 3, 2017 - 04:09pm PT
Found this on the internet...

The basic truth: a firearm is not protection.

Situational awareness is protection. A Kevlar vest is protection. A firearm is a tool that provides the means to respond, with immediate lethal force, to a perceived attack.

A concealable Kevlar vest costs less then most concealed carry pistols, requires no situational awareness, cannot be used against you by an assailant, never harms bystanders, and is generally legal in all jurisdictions.

A concealed firearm isn’t even a deterrent.

People carry a pistol because it’s convenient, there is a culture supporting that decision, there is advertising urging that decision, and we all, at some level, want to imagine ourselves as a hero.
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Dec 3, 2017 - 04:10pm PT
^^^^^

Then just wear a vest and let them shoot you.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Dec 3, 2017 - 04:15pm PT
Has anyone thought of being nice to the intruder...? Maybe that would work better than a lethal weapon...Why all the hate...?
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Dec 3, 2017 - 04:15pm PT
Yeah offer em milk and cookies.
xCon

Social climber
909
Dec 3, 2017 - 04:19pm PT
just imagine how poor you've got to be in order for attacking someones home to make sense...
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 3, 2017 - 04:20pm PT
7SacredSophistries, be sure and curl up into the fetal position (after you spend a minute putting on yer vest) and be sure to ask the nice intruder to be sure and shoot you in a place protected by the vest.
7SacredPools

Trad climber
Ontario, Canada
Dec 3, 2017 - 04:40pm PT
If you're worried about getting hurt, hence the gun, why not wear a helmet as well? You're way more likely to need that.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 3, 2017 - 05:26pm PT
Do I look worried?

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
Credit: Reilly
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Dec 3, 2017 - 05:32pm PT
7...feel free to wear a helmet...why does someone having a gun in their home for defense bother you?
7SacredPools

Trad climber
Ontario, Canada
Dec 3, 2017 - 05:45pm PT
Where did I say it bothered me? You can do what you want, I just think it's stupid. Just like some think not having a gun is stupid.
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Dec 3, 2017 - 05:53pm PT
No, YOU not having a gun is smart.
7SacredPools

Trad climber
Ontario, Canada
Dec 3, 2017 - 05:57pm PT
Yup. The same would apply to the vast majority.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Dec 3, 2017 - 06:10pm PT
When your gums go get a gun. You might get the boost that your diminished testoterone no longer serves up.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Dec 4, 2017 - 07:12am PT
just imagine how poor you've got to be in order for attacking someones home to make sense...

Not usually just 'poor' but desperate/dumb/exceedingly disturbed. Typical thieves go to some length to make sure nobody is home.

We had the Chesire, CT murders of the Petit family right down the road not too long ago. Two guys who first raped two little girls, their mother, and then proceeded to burn them alive with gasoline. Upscale neighborhood in rural CT.

No guns were used, as some on this forum would be relieved to know.

The father survived. Imagine that.
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Dec 4, 2017 - 07:14am PT
Maybe if the father had a gun in his possession ALL would have survived.

Naw, that wouldn't have worked. The gun would have been used on the little girls instead of burning them to death. The father should have just been nice to the creeps. We all know guns don't help defend against crime.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Dec 4, 2017 - 08:21am PT
perhaps you do not read the Daily Courant, fear, but yeah the Petit tragedy was perpetrated at gunpoint.
Credit: wiki


and Jody, perhaps ALL would have survived if the police had not waited outside the house for half an hour as the murders/sex assaults were committed.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Dec 4, 2017 - 08:36am PT
It was an air rifle they purchased at walmart in the toy section, not a real firearm. Do a little more research before spouting off on topics you know nothing about.

As far as the police go, if you think police are a movie-style SEAL team ready to go and will charge in to save you, you've been sadly misinformed. Same thing with the Sandy Hook murders (also down the road), the first cop sat outside for several minutes, likely scared out of his mind.

The point is evil will always find a way. The only choice you have is how helpless you might or might not be when facing it. If you decide to be helpless or blind to reality, so be it. Nobody will save you but you.
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Dec 4, 2017 - 08:40am PT
cowboy...read the book "Dial 911 and Die".

https://www.amazon.com/Dial-911-Die-Garn-Turner/dp/0964230445

Then decide whether you want to take your defense into your own hands or wait for police.

zardoz

Trad climber
Colorado Springs, CO
Dec 4, 2017 - 08:50am PT
In J-tree, always yell "Hey, want some pookie?" to an intruder.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Dec 4, 2017 - 09:01am PT
Then decide whether you want to take your defense into your own hands or wait for police.

I personally have zero problem with people who prefer to proxy off their right to SELF-defense. Not everybody who even legally should have the right to have/carry a gun wants to take the level of responsibility necessary to do so.

But I have a big problem with people who demand that I also proxy off my right of SELF-defense, or those who try to pretend that they have some "moral high ground" in arguments that I'm somehow LESS responsible than they are because I firmly believe and act upon the line: "When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away."

I can tolerate those who prefer to be victims if the badness focuses on them. They should tolerate those of us who prefer to have a fighting chance in such a situation.

There's no "moral high ground" here. There's only the choice between taking personal responsibility for yourself and your family or calling 911 and hoping/praying for the best. Either YOU are the first-responder, or you wait many minutes for somebody else to adopt that role. Either perspective has its merits, upsides, and downsides.

Your choice. But just don't try to force your choice onto me.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Sacramento, CA
Dec 4, 2017 - 09:06am PT
Your choice. But just don't try to force your choice onto me.

Funny, you never struck me as pro choice in life and death matters. Cheers!
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Dec 4, 2017 - 09:07am PT
But I have a big problem with people who demand that I also proxy off my right of SELF-defense, or those who try to pretend that they have some "moral high ground" in arguments that I'm somehow LESS responsible than they are because I firmly believe and act upon the line: "When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away."

Great post madbolter...I agree 100%!

They are all for the "privacy of your own home"...unless it comes to us wanting to defend ourselves.
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Dec 4, 2017 - 09:08am PT
Funny, you never struck me as pro choice in life and death matters. Cheers!

I would answer that...but then the thread would drift off onto an entirely different subject.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Dec 4, 2017 - 09:16am PT
Funny, you never struck me as pro choice in life and death matters. Cheers!

Careful with that broad brush! I am entirely pro-choice.

Cheers right back. :-)
way runout

Boulder climber
Poway
Dec 4, 2017 - 11:48am PT
Careful with that broad brush! I am entirely pro-choice.

Cheers right back. :-)


Well i’lllllll be!

Ole Jenkins finally won one.
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