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donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 17, 2012 - 07:38pm PT
into the forge
into the forge
Credit: donini
An artist friend of mine decided that his forge was a good place for his pistols to undergo a spiritual conversion.
Credit: donini
I am sure that Clint and Smith and Wesson would not approve of this treatment of a Magnum 44
after the hammer machine
after the hammer machine
Credit: donini
another gun turned non-violent
another gun turned non-violent
Credit: donini
Smith and Wesson 44 that ain't gonna shoot no more.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Dec 17, 2012 - 07:41pm PT
He's KNOTT the only one!



The Swedes are strong, beautiful, proud and smart.

DMT
WBraun

climber
Dec 17, 2012 - 07:43pm PT
Only twisted people will carry a gun like that ^^^
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 17, 2012 - 07:44pm PT
Pretty strong statement.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Dec 17, 2012 - 07:45pm PT
Might have been more utilitarian as plowshares, but I'm all for it either way.
mooser

Trad climber
seattle
Dec 17, 2012 - 08:04pm PT
That's great, donini! Thanks for posting those shots.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 17, 2012 - 08:24pm PT
Well, if you really want to know what Clint has to say about it you are going to have to get out of your chair,..


If you ask me, .44 magnum is what idiots use on people and people use on bears.
Bet the artist wasn't named Vincent,..
rick d

climber
ol pueblo, az
Dec 17, 2012 - 08:47pm PT
nice shop the guy has, too bad he is not going to live that long keeping compressed tanks (co2/argon) near his forge. BACK THAT SH#T AWAY FROM HEAT.

this could be a cool gun art thread, or we could toss in some machine gun shootin' videos for the other side of things.

tannerite baby
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 17, 2012 - 08:50pm PT
One down 199,999,999 to go!!!
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Dec 17, 2012 - 08:57pm PT
The Swedes are strong, beautiful, proud and smart.

Umm...

I'll prolly catch hell from Lolli, but I have to point out that the Swedes have been and still are one of the worlds largest arms makers and exporters especially per capita. They learned the trade by supplying the Germans in both World Wars with steel, guns and ammunition.

Prime Minster Olaf Palme (sp?) tried to nationalize the industry and ended up face down in a Stockholm street with a bullet in his head. The official story was that it was the random act of a lunatic.

Okay that doesn't mean their not all of what you said. But since the topic surrounds guns, I think it is worth pointing out that they are a big player in the field, even if they don't want their own citizens to have very many.

BTW a Swedish Mauser is a prize if you can get a clean one.
pc

climber
Dec 17, 2012 - 09:00pm PT
Excellent!

and +1 ^ Healyje
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 17, 2012 - 09:15pm PT
Yes, Kris,and don't overlook the role the Swedish Bofors played in getting us involved in
Afghanistan. They loved Charlie Wilson!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Dec 17, 2012 - 09:31pm PT
The swedes also have some hot airline stewardess's......
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Dec 17, 2012 - 09:38pm PT
The swedes also have some hot airline stewardess's......

Yep. Been there done that. Strong and beautiful? For sure...
MikeL

climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
Dec 17, 2012 - 09:39pm PT
Great images, Donini. I like the art. TFPU.
Bruce Morris

Social climber
Belmont, California
Dec 17, 2012 - 09:46pm PT
Isn't the 40mm BoFors AA gun made in Sweden? That means the Swedes not only manufactured critical components for the German V2, but supplied AA guns to the Brits too, does it not?

Arms manufacturing and war are two activities that everybody wants the other guy to give up!
Chief

climber
The NW edge of The Hudson Bay
Dec 17, 2012 - 10:22pm PT
Too bad about the Smith and Wesson.
I'd advocate doing that to the shooter before I'd ruin a nice pistol.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 17, 2012 - 10:28pm PT
Chief, you need to get this thread back on topic, Swedish airline stewardesses.
Captain...or Skully

climber
Dec 17, 2012 - 10:33pm PT
Aren't they Flight Attendants these days?
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 17, 2012 - 10:34pm PT
Not the ones I like.
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Dec 17, 2012 - 10:37pm PT

Nice job, Jim.
I had a shotgun, but when I gave up hunting, I sold it. Legally.
What do I need a fire arm for?
klk

Trad climber
cali
Dec 17, 2012 - 10:38pm PT
what's the deal? why didn't he melt down some cheap ass ar?

it's a frickin wheel gun. and a nice one.

one of the great design objects of american mass production. like a bel-air or a telecaster.

Captain...or Skully

climber
Dec 17, 2012 - 10:39pm PT
Punishing objects is foolish.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 17, 2012 - 10:44pm PT
You simply cannot punish an object, but you can create an art form.
Ljohnson

Social climber
The land of ice, snow and rocks
Dec 17, 2012 - 10:44pm PT
Credit: Ljohnson

I was horrified at first, then I realized it was a .44.
Now that Swedish girl are on topic- this might be my favorite thread on the Taco
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 17, 2012 - 10:47pm PT
klk,
it used to be a nice one.


Even flat Swedish women are preferable to flat guns.
PhilG

Trad climber
The Circuit, Tonasket WA
Dec 17, 2012 - 10:51pm PT
Thanks Jim,
As an ER nurse and the Grandfather of some Kindergarten aged children, you took away some of the grief...
T H

Boulder climber
bouldering
Dec 17, 2012 - 11:01pm PT
"Made my Day"
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Dec 18, 2012 - 01:22am PT
Too bad about the Smith and Wesson.
I'd advocate doing that to the shooter before I'd ruin a nice pistol.

I agree, except dead guys aren't as fun to squish.
QITNL

climber
Dec 18, 2012 - 01:23am PT
Your buddy probably doubled the value of that piece of iron. Get him a little PR and he could be looking at a factor of 10 or 20. Toss a couple celebrity guns in the furnace. He's probably not that kinda guy, but he could make a nice business.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Dec 18, 2012 - 01:25am PT
I guess I won't be going to him to smooth up the trigger on my Ruger.
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Dec 18, 2012 - 01:46am PT
thanks Jim, and your friend
Nohea

Trad climber
Living Outside the Statist Quo
Dec 18, 2012 - 02:32am PT
http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/?m=1

We should all be free to do what we want

More guns however does mean less crime
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Dec 18, 2012 - 03:00am PT
http://www.luftex.com/aldexter.htm
It is thought, that Al was the first artist to use the phrase 'Honky Tonk' in 1937 in his song, Honky Tonk Blues. This was a term used for beer-drinking music, often raucous and rollicking, although sometimes lonely and sad.--from the link above about Al Dexter, writer of Pistol Packin' Mama
Redeye.
Redeye.
Credit: mouse from merced
There has been a tremendous amount of human creativity devoted to developing weaponry.--Tom Cochrane, among others

I personally enjoyed the sh#t out of the Harrah's Antique Fyre Armes exhibit in Reno on their mezzanine. It's gotta be gone now.

Haven't been in Reno in years. Have the stoplights gotten any slower? Have the quick-draw artists gotten any faster?
bhilden

Trad climber
Mountain View, CA
Dec 18, 2012 - 03:05am PT
This past weekend, the cities of Oakland and San Francisco held 'gun buy back' programs which were paying $200 for every gun bought back. The program appears to have been very successful:

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local&id=8924022
QITNL

climber
Dec 18, 2012 - 03:15am PT
Yep. I mentioned that gun buy-back in the other dumb-ass thread. Your buddy could spin off the idea to The Cruicible.

http://www.thecrucible.org/

We got plenty of iron, furnaces and hipster art galleries. And we're trying to get iron off our streets.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Dec 18, 2012 - 04:18am PT
how do the Swede's do relative to horrific first person shooter video games and experimental psychotropic drugs for children?
stich

Trad climber
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Dec 18, 2012 - 06:40am PT
So is your artist friend going to polish the end product up and display it? I'd like the see that. :-)
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Dec 18, 2012 - 07:47am PT
Punishing objects is foolish.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/08/24/norway-sends-sane-mass-killer-anders-behring-breivik-to-prison-for-maximum-term/

And a lot of good it does to cuss out the pistol when it jams.

We are so steeped in violence and gunsmoke and throwing guns at the law when they jam. It's no wonder this sh#t happens so often. Stop wringing your hands and lay the pistols down. It will make YOUR world and MY world a better place to TRY to grow up in.

Thanks for posting this, Jim.

It's a happening.
steveA

Trad climber
bedford,massachusetts
Dec 18, 2012 - 08:56am PT
Jim,

As you know I've been a serious collector of fine art all my adult life.

I've also loved guns since I was about 14, but never had any use for the semi-automatic type. I'm fond of high quality single shot guns.

Listening to NPR this morning, there are a number of hard core
Republican governors, from Western states, who are reconsidering the need for assault type-multiclip weapons. I think we have finally reached a tipping point. Only a nut hunts deer with that type of weapon.

I remember way back, when I was about 16. I went to this rifle-range, at a club where there was quite a gathering. They had a running deer target, on a track, some 200 yards out. A group of ten shooters would chip in a buck a piece. The winner would win the pot.

I was the only guy with a single shot rifle, an( 8mm Mauser), with iron sights. I was also the youngest shooter. All the other guys proceeded to blaze away with their big clips and telescopic sights, unloading their magazines. One nutcase got so excited half his rounds hit the dirt right in front of him. I wouldn't want to be in the woods with that guy!

I got up and shot only twice, taking my time. Guess who took the money.
The guy who was 16.

If we could revert back to the days of long ago, when guns were works of art, there wouldn't be these mass killings.

I bet your friend wouldn't put these guns in the oven-price $100,000.
Credit: Peter Finer-London

Alan Rubin

climber
Amherst,MA.
Dec 18, 2012 - 10:06am PT
Nohea--"More guns however does mean less crime"

Show us the statistics that support this claim.
Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Dec 18, 2012 - 10:09am PT
Show us the statistics that support this claim.

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Missing photo ID#278911

That was too easy.

Many, many countries, just like ours, have much lower rates of gun homicides.

It's not because these countries found a cure for mental illness.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 18, 2012 - 10:15am PT
yeah sure -- i posted a graph the other day that says totally different results, so i guess its all in who does the graphs.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Dec 18, 2012 - 10:16am PT
What was your source, Ron? The above graph states UN/Washington Post.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 18, 2012 - 10:22am PT
go look at the other thread its there somewhere.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 18, 2012 - 10:32am PT
hmmm because i dont care to repost something thats already there, im a coward now?? WEAK man WEAK!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 18, 2012 - 10:33am PT
Dave, Canada has a pretty high gun ownership rate and they're not killing
each other. Half the houses in Switzerland have military automatic weapons
in them and they're not killing each other. There must be another factor, or two.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 18, 2012 - 10:38am PT
what eveah Ding...



And Rielly, Those Swiss are ALL gunnutz muderous sobs because they HAVE guns in fact, semi auto assualt types- each and every household from what ive been told. They shoot them every year to stay sharp- at govenrmnet expense too! And have a VERY CIVIL society..So in Switzerland is it safe to say guns= civility?
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Dec 18, 2012 - 10:41am PT
Switzerland has a limited army. The guns are a part of the militia that serves in place of an army. Switzerland has far more rules and regulations regarding firearms than we do.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 18, 2012 - 10:43am PT
A little off topic this. This reminds me of global warming....opponents of it come out with their own studies/graphs but the Vast Preponderance of the evidence points towards man caused global warming as a fact.
The same with gun availability and gun related homicides.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Dec 18, 2012 - 10:44am PT
What evah brah.
No Rong in Switzerland it is safe to say banking for the world = civility. Get rid of all their guns and they would still be as civil.


Donini that is great glad you posted this up even if it is causing the Nutters such grief.
It must be like castration to them.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 18, 2012 - 10:45am PT
Never bought off on that one JD,, too many theories..

Has the globe not changed without our help? Certainly it has. Tahoe was once 600 feet less deep than now, and was that way for at least 600 years as eveidenced by old growth stumps 600 feet below the surface now.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 18, 2012 - 10:52am PT
Brandon, rules/schmooles, the fully auto weapons are in the peoples' houses.
All they gotta do is take 'em out and let 'em rip. They don't cause they're
not a bunch of nutters, not because of a bunch of rules.
Alan Rubin

climber
Amherst,MA.
Dec 18, 2012 - 10:54am PT
Reilly, While gun ownership alone is not the only factor in this country's crime and homicide rates, it is a significant one. Looking at the graphs,while Switzerland's overall homicide rate is definitely much lower than ours, homicides by firearms there appear to be a much higher percentage of the overall homicide rate than they do in this country. Canada was the other country you mentioned, but again the graphs don't help your case very much. Canada's overall homicde rate is relatively high, especially given the relatively small population, and firearm homicides still appear to account for a good percentage of the reported homicides, more so than in most of the other countries listed except for the US, Switzerland, and Cyprus (where there is also a good correlation between the rate of firearm ownership and firearm homicides).
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 18, 2012 - 11:02am PT
Alan, I would bet that the last graph represents private gun ownership
and not the military weaponry in most homes in Switzerland. Look at the
high murder rates of S Korea and Finland vs low gun ownership - clearly
those people like to cut each other up. I know for a fact that they do in
Finland.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 18, 2012 - 11:12am PT
I know guys in Iran, Norway, Finland, England, Scottland and Ireland, Portugal and Spain, etc etc.. All gun owners and users. They have the same access to the black market as we do also.

Guns are the second largest "commodity" out there- right after drugs..
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Dec 18, 2012 - 11:14am PT
Ron, love is the biggest commodity.

;)
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Dec 18, 2012 - 11:14am PT
Where's the like button next to the forge? The man is clearly an artist.

BTW, great read on the gun issue below, I challenge those who want them all melted down to read it.

http://spectator.org/archives/2012/12/18/invincible-ignorance/

MikeL

climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
Dec 18, 2012 - 11:49am PT
I'm not so sure that making statistical comparisons across cultures is completely justifiable. To do so you have to first be sure that the populations that data are drawn from are the same or at least equivalent. What are the characteristics of "the population?" Are we talking about "the population of human beings?" That would be too broad.

Somehow one should take into account for culture and the values, beliefs, and norms of behavior that underpin culures. How do people value, think about, and use (e.g., their practices) guns in different cultures? One of the things the statistics impart is that people in different cultures are different.

For some of you that might mean that the problem of gun violence is not the guns--the problem lies in the people that give rise to the difference in violence rates. People in Japan and Norway are less violent people. So whether they have access to guns doesn't make any difference.

That interpretation of the data would be too simple. Both culture / people and access to guns lead to or influence each other. (We need more data than DMT's graph.)

One can simply adjust the freedom and pervasiveness of guns to a given culture based upon that culture's behaviors. If a culture shows itself to be violent, then guns should be more highly regulated. If a society (people, laws, etc.) can show that it handles various dangerous materials safely, then let them at it.

It's easy to see issues such as gun control and violence as questions of liberty and freedom. It's another thing to see the issues practically in terms of what constitutes "acceptable behaviors." I am a responsible member of my community, and if my community does stupid things, then I need to accept responsibility and the constraints to my behaviors and freedoms. It probably doesn't seem fair individually, but it's a question community responsibility and governance.

Liberty comes in two forms. Negative liberty means putting obstacles external to an agent that prevents him or her from doing what he wants. A person is free if no one is stopping them from doing what they want to do. Then there is positive liberty. To be free, one must be self-determined: one must control his or her own destiny toward their own interests. When one fails to control a passion they'd be happy to be rid of, which prevent one from realizing what is in their true interests, then one is not free--one is under control of uncontrollable emotion. One does not have freedom.

These ideas can be applied to communities.

Rousseau said that individual freedom is achieved through a process whereby one's community exercises collective control over its own affairs, to the extent that one participates in a democratic process. One would first have to accept responsibility for community behaviors by participating in controlling itself.
Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Dec 18, 2012 - 12:46pm PT
Half the houses in Switzerland have military automatic weapons in them and they're not killing each other.


That's because they understand the concept of "militia" better than our own supreme court.

I will agree that the "cultural differences" thing has some merit, but it does not account for the order of magnitude differences between gun violence rates.

Take away the left side of the road thing and the funny accents, and Australia is practically the same country as the US.

Where are they on the chart?
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 18, 2012 - 01:01pm PT
SteveA,
WTF is a "multiclip" gun?

I wonder how an experienced wall climber would feel if a ranger that never climbed told him that he was welcome to climb in the park but he could only have a blue camalot because that was all that he needed.
MikeL

climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
Dec 18, 2012 - 01:17pm PT
Koz:

I was speculating. If you are interested, you can look at how one academic has characterized different cultures.

http://geert-hofstede.com/countries.html (pick a country and see the data).

Hofstede's data are very broadly cut, and indeed countries look similar along his dimensions. As you say, for example, Australia and the US look similar by his account, but I'm not sure that people from either country would say the same thing as you. There may be more difference than driving lanes and "funny accents." History is a part of it, I imagine. Heck, the South in our own country is like another world than here in California.

In the end, we can't EXPLAIN anything to almost anyone's satisfaction. I think we first have our own ideas and commitments, and then we look around for data analysis to back them up.

I continue to favor a behavioral approach to the issue, though.
steveA

Trad climber
bedford,massachusetts
Dec 18, 2012 - 01:37pm PT
Ron,

Sorry, but that is what this governor, ( don't remember which state) called them.

I'm sure what he meant is limiting the size of the clip or magazine.

My guess is there will be a number of politicians introducing new bills on these issues, after the new year, and there will be one hell of a fight on both sides.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 18, 2012 - 01:44pm PT
Melt 200 million of today's 310 million guns. If you can't manage all goals with the remaining 110 million guns then gun owners are too incompetent to own them.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Dec 18, 2012 - 01:44pm PT
The biggest "clip" I've seen holds five rounds. ( edit for memory update: eight rounds in the Garrand clip ) I'm not sure what will be accomplished by limiting their size.

A "magazine" is a different thing, however.

We need to be especially sure of our terminology when proposing law.

Clips and magazines are as different from one another as bolts and cams are.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Dec 18, 2012 - 01:54pm PT
Clips and magazines are as different from one another as bolts and cams are.

yeah, and it is true that pedantry matters when it comes to law. but i'm not too worried that some redneck lawyer will accidentally write "banana clip" instead of 'magazine."

i also call "engines" "motors." drove my shop teacher nuts. and i say "sierras." drives dmt nuts.



Chief

climber
The NW edge of The Hudson Bay
Dec 18, 2012 - 02:29pm PT
Jim,

Thanks for the thought provoking post.
There's a lot of room to interpret the messages that may be intended or implied.
Firearm ownership is a political hot potato and an emotional subject on both sides of our border, particularly in light of recent events.

Most of the firearms discussed are designed primarily for killing people and I agree we'd all be better off living in a world where such devices weren't necessary.
Unfortunately we're not there yet and probably never will be.
I think the corollary between firearm proliferation, ease of acquisition and gun crime is for the most part, supported by evidence, Switzerland not withstanding.
The US may be unique in having the right to bear arms enshrined in it's constitution and that's a tough row to hoe.
Good luck.

In Canada, firearms are still a rural necessity for many for hunting and protection from wildlife.
For us firearm ownership is not a right but a privilege that comes with a high degree of personal and social responsibility. It's not perfect but most of us can live with the arrangement.

The Smith and Wesson in question is a classic sidearm chosen by many for hunting, wildlife protection and marksmanship.

The comments I posted earlier provoked a couple strong responses and I thought I'd do the courtesy of putting them in context.

Too bad about the Smith and Wesson.
I'd advocate doing that to the shooter before I'd ruin a nice pistol.

I'm all for strict gun control laws and responsible firearm ownership.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 18, 2012 - 06:00pm PT
The reiterations ad nauseum that there is no justifiable reason for somebody to own an AR 15 are all by people who ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to read any of the newspaper articles cited in the Armed Citizen that detail how precisely those weapons were used, sometimes without firing a shot, to deter armed assaults by criminals who would otherwise be free to victimize somebody else.

Their immature stance is to say, "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA ,..........."

Riley, do you have the guts to read newspaper article that detail how so called assault rifles have been used for self-defense?
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Dec 18, 2012 - 08:44pm PT
Apologies to Joni Mitchell and Smith and Wesson.

They took all the guns and put 'em in a gun museum.
Charged all the people a dollar and a half to seem them.

In the interests of fair play, I'd advocate for waiving the fee for documented gun lovers.



guido

Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
Dec 18, 2012 - 09:22pm PT
Australias approach to the problem:
http://jeffsachs.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Australia-Gun-Law-Reforms.pdf
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 09:28pm PT
Bump for art lovers
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Dec 24, 2012 - 01:42am PT
Awesome guns! That's the way I like 'em.
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