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Oplopanax

Mountain climber
The Deep Woods
Dec 6, 2012 - 09:24pm PT
I heard the climbing scene in Fort MacMurray is just awesome....










































Semi-frozen tar flows on the side of the pit.
paganmonkeyboy

climber
mars...it's near nevada...
Dec 6, 2012 - 09:29pm PT
anybody knows java and oracle shoot me a pm...yeah it's soul sucking cubicle dwelling but we pay well and don't drug test ;-)
toadgas

Trad climber
los angeles
Dec 6, 2012 - 09:41pm PT
anybody knows java and oracle shoot me a pm


dont know java or oracle but ....I believe in magic


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9cp74_0B6U




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Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2012 - 09:54pm PT
Hey I never said it was going to be the gravy train. Big bucks though. Long hours, long days, long weeks, minus thirty temps, lots of crack and liquor. I said if you're desperate this might be for you.

And no they don't want no stinking tree planters.
toadgas

Trad climber
los angeles
Dec 6, 2012 - 10:01pm PT
Long hours, long days, long weeks, minus thirty temps, lots of crack and liquor.


you keep whetting my appetite with such talk


tell me, are there a lot of older, inexpensive whores in BC?




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Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 6, 2012 - 10:08pm PT
It's always refreshing to see other people think Canada is a reasonable, thoughtful enterprise.

The war of 1812 was between the Brits and Americans for the golden rule of conquest; resources. Somehow this historical fact has been transformed into some sort of Canadian nation building triumphalism.

The real example of Canada pushing some British wankers aside and acting independently was in taking Vimy Ridge in France during WW1. The Newfies and everyone else had no interest in standing in place and getting shot dead.

There was never a great Canadian emancipation from some evil overseer. Socially and economically it's always been about resources and opportunity. Not a bad thing necessarily.

Personally, I think some trained help showing up would possibly give me a chance at getting home on time and having a day off now and then.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2012 - 10:15pm PT
I think this new foreign worker program also gives the employer rights to waive OT pay, living & travel allowances & pay people far below industry standard. If I'm wrong about any of this Bruce please correct me, cheers.

Ryan raises an interesting point which I breifly wrestled with before posting. Indeed it seems one of the advantages for the employer going this route is drive down rates and other regulatory obligations. Just another warm hearted gift from our right wing government on our one way ticket to the bottom of the barrel.

Anyway, better you guys get the work than the Russian mafia. If you do go this way do your best to understand what the real wages are and don't settle for anything less. Then nail down how you might be exempt from standard labor laws and benefit packages, etc

tell me, are there a lot of older, inexpensive whores in BC?


there used to be tons, all toothless and one eyed, but they all left for Alberta quite a while ago.

So there's a few opportunities opened up in BC. Interested? I could put a good word in for you
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 6, 2012 - 10:45pm PT
Standard labour laws and benefit packages are only as good as the enforcement concerning them.

The federal and provincial enforcement is weak as long as nothing goes wrong...

The client is no slouch about possibilities for profit and applying the grind. Everyone gets "safety" shoved up their ass but why I put the quotation marks to the word is that the modern version is to place complete industry blame for accidents on individuals.

It's the modern example of expecting coal miners to have broken drill bits docked from their pay except the upshot is it's not tools damaged but people.

Pretty good freedom of speech from a supervisor huh ?

toadgas

Trad climber
los angeles
Dec 6, 2012 - 10:49pm PT
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the hardest part would be spelling labor as labour and color as colour and so on


but i guess working a chainsaw does not involve spelling much
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Dec 6, 2012 - 10:52pm PT
This discussion reminds me of the Latin American tunnel workers, mostly from Costa Rica, who worked to complete the Canada Line in Vancouver (underground public transit) in time for the Olympics. They were paid $5/hour, which is less than Canadian minimum wage, and the dozen workers who tried to join the union received a $20 bonus when the job was completed. They did eventually win a suit for discrimination. Unionized Canadian workers would have received $25-30/hr, plus overtime and benefits.

As far as I'm concerned the foreign workers program legalizes exploitation. If workers are brought to Canada, they should be ensured equivalent rights and pay as Canadians.
John M

climber
Dec 6, 2012 - 10:57pm PT
Standard labour laws and benefit packages are only as good as the enforcement concerning them.

Yep.. I was nearly crushed to death in a 14 foot deep ditch because of no safety gear. OSHA is sometimes crazy, but hurry hurry hurry up jobs with no safety can kill you.

The GOP on America is doing a great job of saying regulations and unions are evil, while they go about undercutting funding for oversight.

Big government versus Big business. I don't know which is worse.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 6, 2012 - 10:59pm PT
. I heard the climbing scene in Fort MacMurray is just awesome....

Grew up there..I can promise you it isn't ..LOL

There are always riches to be had somewhere in the world
Just have to be willing to do two things....move and work....

There is nothing like Fort Mac - burn outs who were kicked out of grade 7 making 250000 a year driving truck....

If I didjt have a job and I was American I would be in North Dakota..
Real easy....

toadgas

Trad climber
los angeles
Dec 6, 2012 - 11:02pm PT
Big government versus Big business. I don't know which is worse

Big Govt is always worse because they can legally tax you to death and legally execute you or detain you without just cause and put electrodes on your testicles




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John M

climber
Dec 6, 2012 - 11:04pm PT
. electrodes on the testicles are fun.


you really need to get out more
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 6, 2012 - 11:07pm PT
Totally Terry.

There is no hatred about others trying to make money by working here. There is a growing movement towards inequity though.

Canadians don't want imported workers making less and having lower standards for the obvious effect it will have on citizens and for the danger faced by the guests that citizens would justifiably refuse.

Canada was built on immigration and the work provided. There are unbelievable examples of death from employment in our history, especially concerning Chinese worker building our rail roads.

Industry is waiting for their chance to call the labour movement and anyone involved with civil rights concerning imported labour, racist.

It's early times in a modern sense, but this is going to blow up socially.
John M

climber
Dec 6, 2012 - 11:10pm PT
There are unbelievable examples of death from employment in our history, especially concerning Chinese worker building our rail roads.

We have the same history. Massive fortunes were built on other peoples lives. But we darn well better not tax it.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 6, 2012 - 11:14pm PT
[quote]. [ Hey I never said it was going to be the gravy train. Big bucks though. Long hours, long days, long weeks, minus thirty temps, lots of crack and liquor. I said if you're desperate this might be for you. /quote]

It ain't that bad....but Bruce is right - you do have to work and not just talk and whine like a pussy..

A lot of it is 7 days on 7 days off.
Two weeks on two weeks out....stuff like that..
Lots of 21 day stretches off -
If you work a long stretch like a pipeline job or a shutdown for 30 or 90 days or more you also end up with lots of time off..
Think working a high paying contract or job and then going to Thailand or Patagonia for 4 months or any combination or the above..

There is money work and freedom to be had for those who want it..

Minus 30 is refreshing when you get used to it..minus 48 is when it really starts to.suck....but ya spend about half the time warming up in the truck at that temp

I once worked 72 10 hour days in a row on a camp job when I was 19...
It feels good...it's what men should be doing....

I wish I could work nursing jobs that hard....but I just can't...to mentally and emotionally difficult..

I miss just doing good, hard work..

The For Mac lifestyle is pretty sick..
Piles of money and ya work less than half the days in the month..
Problem is 99 percent or people spend all their time up there frigging around..you sell your soul in a way..
Takes some managment and brains to get out and live on your days off..

Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 6, 2012 - 11:23pm PT
Hey Riley,

I've been your 30-40 below ideal worker many times so give it up about the talk and whining. Yeah, there is an obligation to taking a job and that's doing work...So?

Reach for the bottom has become the standard every where though and after that, what's the new normal going to be ?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2012 - 11:26pm PT
Kunlan shan - I'd forgotten about those guys on the Canada line! Classic stuff. canadians were available with a little training but on a little technicality they get the pink slip and a bunch of guys willing to get 1100 bucks a month and a kick in the ass are brought in off the boat. One can only imagine what the chinese coal miners will be getting.

I won't be surprised to see Russians get brought in to do avalanche control for all the up coming action in northern BC for 200 bucks and a bottle of vodka a day, which will be just undercutting the ski patrollers. The race to the bottom continues. I mentioned the opportunities to some Americans in Juneau but in the same breath I strongly suggested the standard day rate which might not sound Russian enough to pass.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 6, 2012 - 11:35pm PT
Interesting. The guy being interviewed couldn't say it....but the critical reality that most folks are aware of is that Canadians are spoilt and lazy.
If you are unemployed in Canada you are to stupid to work or to lazy to work..
That is why they are going elsewhere..

There is work everywhere in Canada..
Of course smoking weed all day and playing video games won't get ya a job.
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