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paganmonkeyboy

climber
mars...it's near nevada...
Dec 7, 2012 - 12:29am PT
anybody knows java and oracle shoot me a pm...yeah it's soul sucking cubicle dwelling but we pay well and don't drug test ;-)
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 7, 2012 - 12:54am PT
Hey I never said it was going to be the gravy train. Big bucks though. Long hours, long days, long weeks, minus thirty temps, lots of crack and liquor. I said if you're desperate this might be for you.

And no they don't want no stinking tree planters.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 7, 2012 - 01:08am PT
It's always refreshing to see other people think Canada is a reasonable, thoughtful enterprise.

The war of 1812 was between the Brits and Americans for the golden rule of conquest; resources. Somehow this historical fact has been transformed into some sort of Canadian nation building triumphalism.

The real example of Canada pushing some British wankers aside and acting independently was in taking Vimy Ridge in France during WW1. The Newfies and everyone else had no interest in standing in place and getting shot dead.

There was never a great Canadian emancipation from some evil overseer. Socially and economically it's always been about resources and opportunity. Not a bad thing necessarily.

Personally, I think some trained help showing up would possibly give me a chance at getting home on time and having a day off now and then.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 7, 2012 - 01:15am PT
I think this new foreign worker program also gives the employer rights to waive OT pay, living & travel allowances & pay people far below industry standard. If I'm wrong about any of this Bruce please correct me, cheers.

Ryan raises an interesting point which I breifly wrestled with before posting. Indeed it seems one of the advantages for the employer going this route is drive down rates and other regulatory obligations. Just another warm hearted gift from our right wing government on our one way ticket to the bottom of the barrel.

Anyway, better you guys get the work than the Russian mafia. If you do go this way do your best to understand what the real wages are and don't settle for anything less. Then nail down how you might be exempt from standard labor laws and benefit packages, etc

tell me, are there a lot of older, inexpensive whores in BC?


there used to be tons, all toothless and one eyed, but they all left for Alberta quite a while ago.

So there's a few opportunities opened up in BC. Interested? I could put a good word in for you
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 7, 2012 - 01:45am PT
Standard labour laws and benefit packages are only as good as the enforcement concerning them.

The federal and provincial enforcement is weak as long as nothing goes wrong...

The client is no slouch about possibilities for profit and applying the grind. Everyone gets "safety" shoved up their ass but why I put the quotation marks to the word is that the modern version is to place complete industry blame for accidents on individuals.

It's the modern example of expecting coal miners to have broken drill bits docked from their pay except the upshot is it's not tools damaged but people.

Pretty good freedom of speech from a supervisor huh ?

kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Dec 7, 2012 - 01:52am PT
This discussion reminds me of the Latin American tunnel workers, mostly from Costa Rica, who worked to complete the Canada Line in Vancouver (underground public transit) in time for the Olympics. They were paid $5/hour, which is less than Canadian minimum wage, and the dozen workers who tried to join the union received a $20 bonus when the job was completed. They did eventually win a suit for discrimination. Unionized Canadian workers would have received $25-30/hr, plus overtime and benefits.

As far as I'm concerned the foreign workers program legalizes exploitation. If workers are brought to Canada, they should be ensured equivalent rights and pay as Canadians.
John M

climber
Dec 7, 2012 - 01:57am PT
Standard labour laws and benefit packages are only as good as the enforcement concerning them.

Yep.. I was nearly crushed to death in a 14 foot deep ditch because of no safety gear. OSHA is sometimes crazy, but hurry hurry hurry up jobs with no safety can kill you.

The GOP on America is doing a great job of saying regulations and unions are evil, while they go about undercutting funding for oversight.

Big government versus Big business. I don't know which is worse.
John M

climber
Dec 7, 2012 - 02:04am PT
. electrodes on the testicles are fun.


you really need to get out more
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 7, 2012 - 02:07am PT
Totally Terry.

There is no hatred about others trying to make money by working here. There is a growing movement towards inequity though.

Canadians don't want imported workers making less and having lower standards for the obvious effect it will have on citizens and for the danger faced by the guests that citizens would justifiably refuse.

Canada was built on immigration and the work provided. There are unbelievable examples of death from employment in our history, especially concerning Chinese worker building our rail roads.

Industry is waiting for their chance to call the labour movement and anyone involved with civil rights concerning imported labour, racist.

It's early times in a modern sense, but this is going to blow up socially.
John M

climber
Dec 7, 2012 - 02:10am PT
There are unbelievable examples of death from employment in our history, especially concerning Chinese worker building our rail roads.

We have the same history. Massive fortunes were built on other peoples lives. But we darn well better not tax it.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 7, 2012 - 02:23am PT
Hey Riley,

I've been your 30-40 below ideal worker many times so give it up about the talk and whining. Yeah, there is an obligation to taking a job and that's doing work...So?

Reach for the bottom has become the standard every where though and after that, what's the new normal going to be ?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 7, 2012 - 02:26am PT
Kunlan shan - I'd forgotten about those guys on the Canada line! Classic stuff. canadians were available with a little training but on a little technicality they get the pink slip and a bunch of guys willing to get 1100 bucks a month and a kick in the ass are brought in off the boat. One can only imagine what the chinese coal miners will be getting.

I won't be surprised to see Russians get brought in to do avalanche control for all the up coming action in northern BC for 200 bucks and a bottle of vodka a day, which will be just undercutting the ski patrollers. The race to the bottom continues. I mentioned the opportunities to some Americans in Juneau but in the same breath I strongly suggested the standard day rate which might not sound Russian enough to pass.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 7, 2012 - 02:41am PT
HAHAHA !

Bored on a slow night in the ER ?
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 7, 2012 - 02:46am PT
And to keep it obvious, Riley is right about some opportunity up here for skilled trades to find employment outside of the States.

Do apply, but don't wear blinders.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 7, 2012 - 02:53am PT
Riley,

The opportunities and the work landscape are rapidly changing. It's great your father had the good fortune when he did but the reality is going to be less pay and more work.

Not a heartbreaker by any means but it is a sea change concerning standards and dignity.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 7, 2012 - 03:31am PT
Too true and I hope the hammer swingers in your locale the best but Tornillo Texas is more than a place of mind.

That standard has already crept into Vancouver. It's like the killer bees of opportunity and economics, relentlessly heading North. A lot of people cushioned from the upcoming reality say, "what's their problem? No real education or prospects, what did they expect"?

the shocker is this is coming for all trades and professions.

Everyone complains about the guy in Mumbai on the phone trying to help the Westerner with their computer, while the Westerner complains about the helper's English.

The guy in Mumbai has the skills and works for way less... So do the math.





RyanD

climber
Squamish
Dec 7, 2012 - 03:54am PT
My buddies who flunked out of grade 9 and are making 200 thousand a year and only working half the year think they have is bad also..
21 days off every second month and 7 on 7 off...


So true, growing up in Kamloops most ppl either knock a chick up, move to the coast or go to the mac after high school. I guess a few go learn more books & stuff too, but it blows me away some of the cash they make up there & their schedules as well = lots of free time! Sadly though i'd say more than 50% have maxed out lines of credit, are fat, have at least a coke problem, & a F450 with the biggest tires imaginable with a sled in the back towing a travel trailer with another trailer attached that has a sea doo on it!! I got some buddies though who made good calls & at least financially are pretty stylin'. It could be a good gig for a climber so long as there's somewhere to hang a fingerboard.

Some really good posts on this thread.


Canadians don't want imported workers making less and having lower standards for the obvious effect it will have on citizens and for the danger faced by the guests that citizens would justifiably refuse.

Canada was built on immigration and the work provided. There are unbelievable examples of death from employment in our history, especially concerning Chinese worker building our rail roads.

Industry is waiting for their chance to call the labour movement and anyone involved with civil rights concerning imported labour, racist.

As far as I'm concerned the foreign workers program legalizes exploitation. If workers are brought to Canada, they should be ensured equivalent rights and pay as Canadians.

If you are unemployed in Canada you are to stupid to work or to lazy to work..
That is why they are going elsewhere..

There is work everywhere in Canada..
Of course smoking weed all day and playing video games won't get ya a job.




Hey i smoke weed & play video games sometimes & i have a sweet job!

I bet without the job i could play way more video games.......The rest of your post is spot on though.

RyanD

climber
Squamish
Dec 7, 2012 - 03:58am PT
Just make sure you aren't a hippy if you plan on heading up that way, & if you are......keep it to yourself!!

RyanD

climber
Squamish
Dec 7, 2012 - 07:16pm PT
+1 Reilly, haha yep sounds about right!
bmacd

Trad climber
100% Canadian
Dec 7, 2012 - 08:55pm PT
Riley - Don't kid yourself - you have it very good - stay south and stay happy bro .... wish me luck escaping to the USA one of these days, like you did.

best regards,
Bruce
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