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Tfish
Trad climber
La Crescenta, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 25, 2012 - 02:07am PT
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I was parked at sanatans just out side the park entrance like 30 mins ago an someone stole my backpack with my rope and my entire rack, harness, draws and everything.
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Nov 25, 2012 - 02:10am PT
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Let them rot in the desert and be eaten by coyotes.
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Tfish
Trad climber
La Crescenta, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 25, 2012 - 03:01am PT
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Holy shit! Just got it back. Some meth head that lives behind the place made some "calls" and got us our back packs back for $40. Got scammed but really happy to have my sh#t. And F the police they are no help and didn't even show up like they said they would.
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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Nov 25, 2012 - 03:38am PT
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You have been doing some clean livin!!
This is sadly something that is happening more frequently in Jtree.
Spread the word don't leave gear in the back of trucks, cars with windows down, outside the bathroom/shower at coyote corner, etc!!
Now get your ass back in the park and SSSSEEENNNDDD!!!!
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Nov 25, 2012 - 09:08am PT
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First off - very glad the OP got his rack back, even if it was a set up amongst the dopers. Sort of like he got a $40 ticket for unknowingly driving into the local speed trap!
I'd be interested to know, just for conversational purposes, what the deal was. Gear locked in car, visible, and window broken(no mention of broken window). Gear visible in unlocked car?(doood...what were you thinking???). Gear hidden under carp in unlocked car?(lock yer car, even for a quick run in to some place. Last year I forgot to lock my van - once - and someone stole my daypack out of it. The good news for me was that all that was inside was hairbrush, toothpaste and toothbrush and such. They could have gotten my Nikon camera, laptop, my gear, and my most valuable Teddy.)
I guess this gear scam is sort of like the NYC version of stealing small dogs. Thieves see them tied up as owner steps into a Starbucks or similar, or out of back yard, and then wait for the "Lost Flyers." No market for dognapping in Jtree, obviously. But climbing gear....
edit: when you make a conscious decision to do the wrong thing you get whats coming I'll go one step further with that one. Steve - it's the THOUGHT that counts. And that kind of thinking is not going to serve your own energy well. Set someone's house on FIRE? Are you insane? Consider possibilities: Innocent children and pets inside, owner of most likely rented place who may be uninsured, firemen called to duty because of YOUR behavior, neighbors put at risk, possibly murdering a person who may be a junkie but still probably has a mom, dad, brothers, sisters and maybe kids. And is still a human being.
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Gary
Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
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Nov 25, 2012 - 11:02am PT
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Locker, I've always been puzzled by that phenomenon, too.
And happie, why would I want to place a carp over my gear? EWWWWWWW!
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Nov 25, 2012 - 11:10am PT
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There is often 1 or 2 cruzers for the entire highway 62.
The cops are doing the best they can... trust me. A lot bigger issues up there than theft, unfortunately : /.
glad you got your stuff back my friend!
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hoipolloi
climber
A friends backyard with the neighbors wifi
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Nov 25, 2012 - 11:10am PT
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Don't set his house on fire. That's gone too far.
Find some blunt object in your car and beat his ass to a f*#king pulp. Maybe use your climbing rope to string him from a tree?
That is some serious bull sh#t.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Nov 25, 2012 - 11:23am PT
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bet those meth heads voted for obama.
Funny how the thought process goes for some people.
You'd be surprised how many would vote for Romney, or Elvis, or Space Cadets from Venus.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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Nov 25, 2012 - 11:41am PT
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Meth heads tend to be very right wing.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Nov 25, 2012 - 11:42am PT
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For a nominal service charge I can wire your rig to give anyone thinking of pilfering one helluva DC discharge. Shocking concept hehe.
Do you think a "WARNING vehicle protected by 50.000 Volts DC" be a deterrent?
Glad you got your kit back.
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Tfish
Trad climber
La Crescenta, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 25, 2012 - 12:07pm PT
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I'll post details tonight. Im gonna go climb like crazy today. But yeah we were kooks leaving the gear in an open bed the truck. And just one small climbing sticker locker.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Nov 25, 2012 - 12:18pm PT
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ummm....yeah.
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Gary
Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
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Nov 25, 2012 - 05:35pm PT
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But yeah we were kooks leaving the gear in an open bed the truck.
Tfish, better to be a trusting soul than a f*#king thief. Glad you got your goods back.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Nov 25, 2012 - 06:54pm PT
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hey there say,Tfish... very glad you got it back...
lessone learned the hard way, :(
take care...
not sure how that could be, though, when vehicles are parked in lonely
spots, :(
too bad you can't have one of those 'ink' thing attached like some
stores do--it stuff is broken into (or whatever) the INK breaks
open, and at least folks can see WHO it was that stole the stuff...
course, if the police do not do anything, than that won't get them
caught, :(
but--if folks spot them, they'd know who it was that stole...
however, your gear would be all inked up, :(
:(
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MisterE
Social climber
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Nov 25, 2012 - 09:36pm PT
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Where's Mighty Hiker with the quarterly reports on this?
Slackin' Dude.
My favorite was the guide getting his pack nabbed TWICE in the same place. The second lift was mostly gear courtesy of generous Supertopians.
That has to suck.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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Nov 25, 2012 - 10:12pm PT
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All Of This Has Happened Before And Will Happen Again!
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Onewhowalksonrocks
Mountain climber
portland, Maine
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Nov 25, 2012 - 10:29pm PT
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I am glad you got your gear back!
I will bet you will never do that again.
I have locked my pack with a chain in truck bed. Then had someone try and get it out as I returned.
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murcy
Gym climber
sanfrancisco
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Nov 25, 2012 - 11:12pm PT
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Gotcha. What kind of devilish tool could free a pack locked with a CHAIN??
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dee ee
Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
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Nov 25, 2012 - 11:56pm PT
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So...the moral of the story is call the meth heads not the cops....and....vote for Obama!
Yeah baby!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 26, 2012 - 01:26am PT
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...and ditch the climbing stickers. Put on a "This vehicle protected by Smith and Wesson"
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Fluoride
Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
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Nov 26, 2012 - 02:21am PT
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Mister E, here's the thread. Worth the read. A local "guide" got all his stuff stolen from outside the market up near Indian Cove. Everyone kicked in and helped him get his rack and stuff back in order. Once he was on his feet climbing and guiding again he left the pack outside Coyote Corner to take a shower and shockingly, when he came out it had been stolen. Again.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1418552/Stolen-Guide-Pack-JT
It's JT. If you're in town, throw your gear into the cab of your truck and lock it before you go inside anywhere. Don't leave it out in the open. Even in daylight.
OP is REALLY lucky to have got his stuff back. Probably cause the steal was till fresh and they got $40 out of him for a fresh meth fix and that was easier than taking the time to sell it piecemeal.
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turd
climber
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Nov 26, 2012 - 02:39am PT
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better to be a trusting soul than a f*#king thief.
Hear, hear, brother.
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Tfish
Trad climber
La Crescenta, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 26, 2012 - 02:43am PT
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Ok heres the details: I climbed Mikes Books at night with 3 of my friends and we hung out on the top of intersection rock for like an hour drinking and then rapped down. I put all my gear in my backpack. My rope, rack, harness, draws, shoes, ect where all in there. We just put our bags in the bed of the truck with our crash pads and some other crap. My other friends had a truck with a shell and they put their gear in there. So all 4 of us meet at Santanas Mexican resturant right next to Nomads. We ordered food sat down and ate. My friend was waiting for her sister to come pick her up from LA to go to the Colorado river so we hung out there a little longer than planned. She went outside a few times to pack her stuff up but didn't see anything. My buddy with the other truck left and me and my friend Rick drove to the BLM overflow area to camp. When we parked I noticed both our climbing backpacks were gone. We called our friends to tell them and then I called Sanatans to see if they had cameras and then called the police. We headed back to Santans and I saw some people sitting outside the house right behind the parking lot. We wanted to ask them if they saw anyting but decided to wait for the police since they probabbly stole it. I went inside and talked to one of the employees and then some meth head starts talking to me and is real interested in my story. He tells me he lives right behind this place. Then I see the girl that took my order walk back from his house to Santanas. I talk to her a bit and tell her how we got our stuff stolen and she said to come in the morning and the manager can show us the video but the cameras don't even point there. So I go back to the truck to wait for the cops to show up and the meth head comes back and says he knows some people and homies who do this sh#t so he might be able to pull some strings if theres something in it for him. So I say f*#k yeah dude anything would be cool. So he walks away makes some calls, then comes back and says he might have something. He gets on his bike and rides away and comes back a few mins later with both back packs and I gave him all the cash I had like $43. I called my friends and told them the good news and my friend said he saw the meth head walking through the parking lot and going to the liquor store but didn't think anything of it.
So what I think happened is he saw us go in, then the little bitch that works there texted him saying we were sitting down eating and he made his move and stole our packs real quick and stashed them in his back yard, then he saw us come back 30 minutes later and tried to play it off as a cool nice guy and then faked some calls and rode around the block to his back yard and then brought our packs back to us.
Also the meth head was telling me about how cool of a camping spot The Pit is. So anyone who stays there should be extra careful too.
I totally learned my lession to lock my gear up and hide it out of sight too. And Meth heads are sketchy but better than cops.
And thank you guys for not ripping into me too hard for being a f*#king idiot. Hopefully you guys will be more carefull too and learn from my mistake.
PS: I got my new #5 stuck on Super Roof. Im not asking for it back, just throwing it out there if someone wants some booty.
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Tfish
Trad climber
La Crescenta, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 26, 2012 - 02:51am PT
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Oh yeah, so the cops called me at like 1 in the morning saying sorry they were busy with a shooting and then I just told them that we messed up and found our gear in my other friends truck.
I left my name and number with the girl from Santanas and the meth head knew we were camping out in the BLM area and knew what our truck looked like. So I just told the police we were fine instead of ratting out that guy. First because the cops probablly wouldn't do anything and second, if they did I don't want his friends coming out in the middle of the night and running me over in my tent or something. So this guy knew some stuff about us and I just let it go and was happy to get my gear back.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Nov 26, 2012 - 09:30am PT
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Dude - Don't leave your tent set up in the BLM while you're not their either...
And a number 5 stuck to boot(ie!)
Sounds like you're having an epic trip of mishaps! But you have a light attitude about it all. "Stay gold, Ponyboy!"
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Nov 26, 2012 - 09:36am PT
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I left my name and number with the girl from Santanas and the meth head knew we were camping out in the BLM area and knew what our truck looked like. So I just told the police we were fine instead of ratting out that guy. First because the cops probablly wouldn't do anything and second, if they did I don't want his friends coming out in the middle of the night and running me over in my tent or something. So this guy knew some stuff about us and I just let it go and was happy to get my gear back.
Happy you got your gear back, but I wouldn't suggest lying to the police to protect a criminal as that's a criminal offense itself. Why not just tell them the truth? Chucking $43 over as a "recovery fee" is brilliant.....
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fat-n-sassy
Social climber
San Francity, CA
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Nov 26, 2012 - 09:49am PT
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And Meth heads are sketchy but better than cops.
bawhahahaaaa
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Nov 26, 2012 - 10:02am PT
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Fish....
All is well that ends well.....
You should befriend the dude who ripped you off.....
They have short memories....
Offer to take him climbing...
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rincon
Trad climber
SoCal
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Nov 26, 2012 - 10:23am PT
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When he came back with your packs, you shoulda have beat his ass, instead of giving him money.
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10b4me
Boulder climber
member since 2002
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Nov 26, 2012 - 10:30am PT
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Anybody who leaves gear out in the open. . . . . . . .
Well let me just say, WTF were you thinking?
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Nov 26, 2012 - 11:28am PT
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Not trying to be a dick but
they were busy with a shooting
shouldn't this change your perspective a bit? Cops (highway patrol in those parts are what ya get) were dealing with a possible maiming or murder and your toys got stolen. Glad you got it back, but as I witnissed a few summers ago the Sheriff told me he was the solo guy for all of 62... and it was Saturday afternoon. 2 hours for a breaking and entering.
I don't think there's any way for it to change with how the voting system and lobbying works, sadly, and there's no money to pay for 'em even if we figured it out. Just the wild west out there...
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Tfish
Trad climber
La Crescenta, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 26, 2012 - 12:11pm PT
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When he came back with your packs, you shoulda have beat his ass, instead of giving him money.
That was the first thing we thought about, but he had a bunch of friends at his house and we had no idea if they had guns or anything. And there is like a 1% chance he was telling the truth and did help us out.
And GDavis, I've never had a cop help me with anything. But I've had them f*#k me over several times. So yeah I should give them a beak this time because they did have a valid excuse, but all in all cops generally suck.
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bhilden
Trad climber
Mountain View, CA
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Nov 26, 2012 - 12:12pm PT
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So let me get this straight. You left your gear in the back of your pickup truck, in plain sight, at a restaurant that you knew was frequented by meth heads?
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Nov 26, 2012 - 12:17pm PT
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When he came back with your packs, you shoulda have beat his ass, instead of giving him money.
Good idea, its not like they don't know what his truck looks like or where he likes to go hang out at.
Christ, people. This isn't Roadhouse. $40 is always the better option over getting in a fight.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Nov 26, 2012 - 12:19pm PT
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I wonder what the Methies would charge to just guard a vehicle?
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Tfish
Trad climber
La Crescenta, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 26, 2012 - 12:19pm PT
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So let me get this straight. You left your gear in the back of your pickup truck, in plain sight, at a restaurant that you knew was frequented by meth heads?
Yep, left our stuff out in the open...
But that was my first time eating there so I didn't know it was a meth head hang out. And Im never eating there again. I had to poop 3 times in the morning and had spicy butthole all day.
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whitemeat
Trad climber
San Luis Obispo, CA
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Nov 26, 2012 - 12:26pm PT
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I got one of these stolen from me, luckily nothing bit first aid and shoes inside but still a serious bummer, havent found it yet.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Nov 26, 2012 - 12:28pm PT
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And it burns burns burns the ring of fire the ring of fire.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 26, 2012 - 12:28pm PT
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When is someone gonna market a LoJack/GPS tracker you hide in the gear sling?
Or better yet disguise it as a locking biner they won't toss.
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jfailing
Trad climber
Lone Pine
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Nov 26, 2012 - 05:07pm PT
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This is a great success story - we all do stupid sh#t without thinking about it sometimes...
My car got broken into in NE Portland a few weeks ago and a bag of gear got stolen. Harness, three pairs of shoes, rope, grigri, and two chalk bags. And the bag too. They just grabbed the bag though, and left my nice Mountain Hardware jacket and my gopro sitting right next to the bag...
I shouldn't have left it in the car to begin with, but went right from the climbing gym to the show. I have a feeling that the people who broke in live nearby, and so I scoped around the neighborhood, but didn't really see anything.
So my question is this - do meth-heads and thieves really think they can get any money for a bag of climbing gear? Unless they sell it to a climber, who would probably know that sh#t is stolen, where are they unloading it? Maybe the meth-head wants to get into rock climbing?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Nov 26, 2012 - 05:24pm PT
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My girlfriend's car load of trader joe's groceries got ripped off during the day at the local tubs...Her description matched the mug of this well known petty thief who was cycling in and out of jail...Riding thru town one day i see the guy walking..I rode up to him and asked him if he had broken into any cars lately....His jaw dropped to the ground and he dropped a load in his pants...I rode off laughing at the dumb founded look of guilt on his face...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 26, 2012 - 05:26pm PT
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RJ, was he riding a white Cervelo? Run him over next time.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Nov 26, 2012 - 05:26pm PT
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It's ten seconds of work for something.
All they know is that pile is important to someone, maybe it's you maybe they can trade it for a fix and a sandwich.
If they can't ditch it in a few hour for cash they throw it out. Better not to get caught with it.
Such is the spectrum of human behavior when things get desperate and nights get longer and colder. Hide your toys and be glad you have people that love you and care about you... Those guys got a sh#t hand in life, and they played it shitty. I can't help but be a bit sad... Ideally I could hate them because it would make me feel good but when I worked at that nomad and saw the way their life went... :( sucks.
The other day my bike wheel got ripped off right in front of my apartment in broad daylight. What shitty life drove someone to think THAT was a good thing to do?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Nov 26, 2012 - 05:28pm PT
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I have never seen a situation so dismal that a policeman couldn't make it worse.
Brendan Behan
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Nov 26, 2012 - 05:35pm PT
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Unfortunately, in today's California budget environment, nonviolent theft is a catch-and-release offense. I could add a lot more, but suffice to say that for the last 30 years or so, we've acted as if increasing the length of prison sentences is a magic bullet to reduce crime at little cost. Things like the current situation with thieves proves otherwise.
While studies show that higher probability of apprehension and punishment deters crime, the length of the prison sentence has much less of an effect. In the meantime, climbers' only lawful options are insurance and care in keeping valuable items locked and hidden.
John
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 26, 2012 - 06:13pm PT
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Geeze, Riles, I've been let off twice because I was a climber! Really!
Not for manslaughter or anything - DUI.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 26, 2012 - 06:16pm PT
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No donuts available in the wee hours. I did turn on the fabled Irish charm though.
The cop in Leavenworth, WA just wanted to talk climbing - couldn't get rid
of him!
The Ranger in a certain NP was just honored to have pulled me over* - hell,
I don't know why he let me go but I'm pretty sure it had to do with the
heavily-logoed van I was driving.
*Laugh yerselves sick ;-)
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Nov 26, 2012 - 06:21pm PT
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last time i was living in jtree i had someone try to break into my house while i was in it.
wasnt even a tweaker.
downtown jtree is actually a lot better now than it was back in the late 80s early '90s.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Nov 26, 2012 - 06:45pm PT
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Cops spend far to much time eating donuts - they hate climbers for their freedoms and thier ability to live a life with out being told what to do by an authority figure. They hate free thinking climbers because they generally have IQs in the 80s and have no critical thinking skills.
I'll say one thing about Riley. He has no problem insulting entire groups of people even if our civil society depends on their service in order to exist.
And that second sentence is actually unintelligible. Who does the second "they" refer too?
Seriously man, give it a break.
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PSP also PP
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Nov 26, 2012 - 06:55pm PT
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My climbing partner often wants to leave the gear in the back of the truck ; and thinks I am paranoid if I want to stow it away. I often put all his stuff in the truck too because if they steal his stuff then we probably have to go home. Standard places for leavin it in the truck bed, placerville, oakdale, groveland, tuolumne camp ground, Jt campgound etc.. I always figure there are alot of desperate people cruising around looking for easy pickens. I think he thinks it only gets stolen if you think it might get stolen.
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Dapper Dan
Trad climber
Menlo Park
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Nov 26, 2012 - 07:12pm PT
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Looks like its turning into another climber vs. cop thread .
My main grief with the police is the chicke$hit tickets they hand out . In many safe and responsible communities , there just is not a lot of serious crime going on that requires their intervention. The residents police themselves . So the police validate there existence by ticketing hard working tax paying citizens for infractions that neither endanger themselves , or the public at large .
An example of this I encountered was getting a ticket for having big tires that stuck out just a bit further than the fender well of my truck .
Calling a cop or expecting their assistance with anything is not part of my reality , and hopefully never will be . I understand they are humans , and are generally decent , but I would just as soon have them leve me alone .
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Tfish
Trad climber
La Crescenta, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 26, 2012 - 07:17pm PT
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I think I have the record for the most chicken sh#t ticket. I was driving home from snowboarding in Big Bear and got a ticket for "excessive use of horn".
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 26, 2012 - 07:21pm PT
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Tfish, didya think to tell him you were from New York and that you were
under-using it?
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Tfish
Trad climber
La Crescenta, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 26, 2012 - 07:30pm PT
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Hahaha, no but when I went to court to try and fight it the bailiff called me to the side after and looked up the law and said "Holy sh#t I guess it is a real law, the officer must have never been to New York."
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Nov 26, 2012 - 07:41pm PT
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Why is that hard to understand?
It's not hard to understand but it can be read two ways. When I read a statement like that I assume that the writer is not thinking very clearly.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 26, 2012 - 07:47pm PT
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No, it's called capitalism.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Nov 26, 2012 - 07:54pm PT
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I once got a ticket for accidentally driving past a cop with my high beams on.
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 26, 2012 - 08:00pm PT
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Americans are stupid.
They have created a police state and then complain that the police are harassing them ....
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Nov 26, 2012 - 08:04pm PT
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No, it's called capitalism.
Everybody shoulda voted for Meth Romney. I bet those boys didn't pay taxes either and clearly a job was created.
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Nov 26, 2012 - 08:06pm PT
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Does anybody recall the story about the d00d that was rifling tents and stealing sh#t from c4 that got fingered as the culprit and a bunch of the boys took him up to the top of the Captain and gave him quick instructions in the use of prussick knot's, then tied him into the end of a 150 mm haul line and booted him off the top?
True story, from what I recall. It could be heard being repeatedly told at many a late night campfire in c4, bitd. Weren't many more c4 thefts after that!
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Nov 26, 2012 - 08:06pm PT
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I know that Bonnie the original owner of Crossroads cafe had her house broken into more than once. She lost not only valuables but memories, she was very broken hearted from the experience. JTree isn't a nice place for visitors or the locals. I say never leave your stuff in sight, try to carry the important stuff with you, stuff you don't need leave it at home. If you can, park your car in sight, etc. If something is not replaceable, don't bring it to Jtree. This goes for all climbing locations.
Remember, no climbing stickers on your car. If you have stickers, you are declaring that your trunk/cab is full of gear. Don't leave anything in sight. If you have a bag, let it be a beat up duffel, not a pig or fancy pack. Keep important stuff on person and... If you can't, you should have it locked in the trunk and out of sight. Don't lay it out for everyone to see. Don't leave any good stuff in the tent either. I had a friend show up to his campsite to find it all gone, packed out. When I camp in JTree I bring my old, crappy tent. The one that can still handle weather but was mended with duct tape and aqua seal. I use to have an old crappy car which made me look unappealing. Too bad I don't have that anymore. I always pack all my good stuff away after use and... I lock, keep the car near. Sometimes I even bring the German Shepherd. She's an awesome buddy/deterrent.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Nov 26, 2012 - 08:09pm PT
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True story, from what I recall.
Does Licky know about this?
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Nov 26, 2012 - 08:17pm PT
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They hate free thinking climbers because they generally have IQs in the 80s and have no critical thinking skills.
You do realise I have a Doctorate, a Pigs hankering Donuts degree, in this area or academic study?
You may have, but your grammar is fuzzy in that sentence, as was pointed out! Strunk & White would not be amused....
I have no advanced degree, but am fairly certain that would have been better written as "Cops hate free thinking climbers because they generally have IQs in the 80s, have no critical thinking skills, and thus...(provide some factual reason you feel the low IQ and lack of critical thinking skills correlates with a hatred of free thinkers."
Or did you mean to write "They hate free thinking climbers because climbers generally have IQs in the 80s and have no critical thinking skills."?
I would also point out that I think it is really not a quality behavior to make such a blanket statement, about any group.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 26, 2012 - 08:22pm PT
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So, eKat, is the one I heard true? Supposedly some wannabe was getting
really obnoxious - just short of criminally so. The regulars poured a pan
of bacon grease on his tent in the wee hours and the Obnoxious One awoke to
#46 shredding his tent. Probably apocryphal* but being a mere occassional visitor
from the Great and Gullible Northwest I took it for the truth, although it
did not set me free.
*It was recounted to me by Bruce Hawkins and we all know he would have
never embellished any story, right?
In all honesty I could see Bruce dangling someone off the top of the Cap'n.
He did have principles, bless his departed soul.
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Nov 26, 2012 - 08:26pm PT
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I know plenty of fools with high IQs and many brilliant kind useful folks that most would say are not very bright. Intelligence is relative to how someone uses his/her abilities.
Yes, I am married to a brilliant doctor but it's not his education that makes him brilliant. It's his ability to be wrong, the ease he corrects himself, his light speed learning curve. That is something we all are capable of but few with our egos can handle. This is the main skill that Bill has that amazes me everyday. That and his ability to put me in my place. That's amazing too, seriously before him only my Dad was able to accomplish that. :)
Anyway... I think gun shots are way more important than a bag full of gear being stolen. One is loss of things replaceable. The other... Life and death, not replaceable. Got to hand it to cops who go where guns are blazing which usually are pointed at them.
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 26, 2012 - 08:29pm PT
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Speaking of "Blanket Parties".
Some stupid ass Curry employee got a "Blanket Party" by someone.
This retard somehow thought it was me who did it?
I have no clue how he came about with this stupid idea.
Warbler remembers?
The guys said he's going to find me some night and kick my ass, LOL.
The stupid fuker was dreaming.
Anyways it turned out his roommates did it from the dorms because he narced them for smoking some weed.
Stupid sh!t ......
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Nov 26, 2012 - 08:33pm PT
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Are you eating crispy creams at this moment?
You do realise I have a Doctorate, a Pigs hankering Donuts degree, in this area or academic study?
Regarding the first, I have never sampled a Crispy Cream. I haven't eaten a donut in as long as I can recall. I have never eaten a fast food burger for that matter, ever not even one.
Regarding the second, please translate into English?
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Nov 26, 2012 - 08:36pm PT
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I have never eaten a fast food burger for that matter, ever not even one.
yer parents were obviously abusive.
heh
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Nov 26, 2012 - 08:52pm PT
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If by "curry employee" do you mean "ropes," and by "blanket party" did you mean "poo poo party?"
I've known a few guys to spend several consecutive seasons in the valley, I think they call it "Scurvy" or something....
;D
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Epic E
Big Wall climber
CA
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Nov 26, 2012 - 08:55pm PT
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F*#k the police!
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Nov 26, 2012 - 09:01pm PT
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eKat - ? I also recall the "Blanket Party" stories, etc! But the ElCap 'toss the thief' story was well prior to that.
I first heard it in '71! It's a tale from the Golden Era days. Cudda' happened as late as the Spring of '71, though (when i first heard it). It involved the hard as nails 'f*#k nuts & chocks place only iron' (pitons) era fellas! I do recall one of them (i believe it was "Hawkins") coming up and making a point of slamming pins in to protect those first crux moves on Midterm one afternoon (in the front of a bunch of us n00bs / clean climbing hippy geeks)! The real old timers. Hawkins wasn't all that old, but he hung with them and obviously retained a few of their traits (at that point in time, anyway)!
At first, I suspected it was a rumor, but eventually came to believe it as truth & a legendary 'nip the problem in the bud' actions of the REAL and original Yose hardmen/badazz'! ... everyone else, everyone who came later, is just a wannabe, imo!!
EDIT: Whether truth or myth, whenever they were retold around the campfire late at night, they seemed to spread like wildfire, the MESSAGE started circulating, and IF someone was considering lifting yer gear ... they wud give it a reconsider and it prollie wudn't happen!
NAHMEAN!!!
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Nov 26, 2012 - 09:21pm PT
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F*#k the police!
Being the husband of a former Sacramento PD officer, I fully agree with your sentiments.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Nov 26, 2012 - 09:31pm PT
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Last year I was driving past the new police/sheriff station 1 mile east of Nomad. (Where they put a traffic light in to serve this sprawl - it should have been built close to the town center using an existing traffic light)
As I approached the light it suddenly turns yellow and I brake hard to a stop. There was no cross traffic to have triggered the light. Once I come to a stop I see a cop car sitting back 1/2 block up the cross street. Obviously he has triggered the light on purpose with his emergency transmitter, in order to toy with traffic, and hopefully create a violation.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Nov 26, 2012 - 09:33pm PT
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Ksolem.....3 points for that comeback...!
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susan peplow
climber
Joshua Tree, CA
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Nov 26, 2012 - 09:57pm PT
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Splater, really? Are you one of those Trolls that everyone is so wound-up about? You think the light for the Hi Desert Medical Center is fooling with you? Or for that matter that the Police Station or Hospital are new? Gimme' a break. Where has this thread drifted to?
I'm very glad the dude got his gear back and let us know of the unsavory locals found when ordering a California Burrito from Santana's. Thieves are not Muy Bueno! I'm also not exactly sure I would have let him skate without reporting to the cops. Contrary to what seems to be the opinion on the Taco I find our local Police to be wonderful servants going above and beyond. Not notifying them limits their ability to watch and monitor known areas of crime.
Nonetheless, I appreciate the heads up as we often dump a car down-town before heading into the park. Also, it's of my opinion and hope that the poster will reconsider and give the cops a call with a recap of events.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Nov 26, 2012 - 10:24pm PT
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62 is obviously a speed trap on weekends. if you live in the high desert, you learn that the chps all show up on friday and sweat the weekenders. another good reason not to go up to the monument on a saturday.
but ive had a couple friends in sb and rivco sheriffs. rough job. pretty isolated. not the kind of daily routine to bring out the best in people.
there are many things left in my life i hope to do. but driving up to a pit bull ranch on the mesa or burns canyon, armed with a shotgun, to do an eviction or or spousal, is not in the top ten thousand.
for the op, susan is right about the report. locker is right about the stickers. file it, move on, and buy a lockbox for the truck bed.
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susan peplow
climber
Joshua Tree, CA
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Nov 26, 2012 - 10:27pm PT
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"locker is right about the stickers. file it, move on, and buy a lockbox for the truck bed."
Agreed Kerwin! But the way I read the thread the poster was well aware that moving forward, people are not always good and will Lock his sh#t up!
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Nov 26, 2012 - 10:35pm PT
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A friend and climbing partner of mine, Dave Stutzman (RIP) got ALL his stuff stolen from c4 in the late Spring of '75! He was up on the SoH route on ElCap and somebody drove up and pulled his pegs on his tent and bagged it and everything in it. Had everything he owned in it that he didn't have on the wall. Plus a bunch of my sh#t that he was holding for me until I got back from San Diego! Which included my haulbag with a bunch of my climbing gear, tent, etc, in it. They caught the d00d, but kept our stuff for 9-12 months as evidence, for the trial, before they returned it! Kinda bogus, imo! but at least we got it back!
Was a bad place to set up camp in c4, on the side nearest the road. They prollie scouted the area first, then drove up at nighttime, or, were in c4 and new he wasn't there and grabbed it as they left the Valley one evening.
I would have had no regrets hiking to the top of el cap, tying him in and handing him a pair of prusicks while wishing to him gudluck and suggesting to him that he might wanna kiss his ass goodbye, just before we tossed him ... just in case the rope, since it had long since been retired, didn't hold! B'cuz, for all the sh#t he put us through, i would have called us even, after that! No p0lice, no c0urt, no judge, no delay in getting our sh#t back. etc., ... just, justice!
Edit: but of course, I'm not like that anymore (el cap tosser), since I'm an Xtian now! lol
btw, our tents alone were worth over $500 bucks (total) a lot of money if you figure in inflation! Dave had a NF St, Elias & I had a NF Mountain Tent.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Nov 26, 2012 - 10:45pm PT
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Cops hate free thinking climbers because they generally have IQs in the 80s and have no critical thinking skills.
Riley the fact that your re worded version contains he same ambiguity really astonishes me. I was out to troll you at first, but now I am wondering who has the IQ 20 points below the median...
Has anyone ever told you that you are like a little dog with a sock?
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grover
climber
Northern Mexico
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Nov 26, 2012 - 10:52pm PT
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Ditch the climbing stickers for one of these.
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Nov 26, 2012 - 11:04pm PT
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speaking of "bumper stickers"!
how about this as a bumper sticker...
except, instead of dog, put cops, or judge!
"Never mind the cops, beware of owner."
edit: its the only type of intervention that some types heed too!
edit: methheads are EVERYWHERE here. I have had my truck broken into and rampaged 3x in as many years. the last time the took a brick and put it through my drivers window. since I had beefed up the entrance from my campershell which was the way they got into it the other 2x!
AND, someone would have taken my truck by now, except we are in a locked and gated complex!
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Nov 26, 2012 - 11:07pm PT
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buy a lockbox for the bed. i do have a bolted down tool box/lockbox on my truck! its kinda the norm these days. but around here, where i come from, they take the whole damn truck! and deal with the lockbox later and at their convenience!
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Nov 26, 2012 - 11:14pm PT
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all the lockbox can do is help keep honest folks honest.
best any of us can do is make it easy for folks to do the right thing.
and keep the ammo dry.
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Nov 26, 2012 - 11:36pm PT
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Thank you Susan. The only sane thing that has been said for the entire thread.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Nov 26, 2012 - 11:40pm PT
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Werner only thinks America is a police state because he lives his whole life in Yosemite.
edit: wow Werner deleted...
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Nov 26, 2012 - 11:55pm PT
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They hate free thinking climbers because they generally have IQs in the 80s and have no critical thinking skills.
A sentence which, read literally, is ambiguous as to whether it is the police or the climbers who have IQs in the 80s and no critical thinking skills. You may have meant the police, but that's not what you said.
As for the doughnuts, even I know it's spelt Krispy Kreme, in yet another fine example of corporate mis-spelling. I've never been in one of their stores, but heaven knows there's enough of them around.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Nov 27, 2012 - 12:09am PT
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A republican and a Tool lover.
Why are all you authoritarian minds so predicatable?
Riley you area fool.
Where when have I ever professed an allegiance to a political party?
You state as it is a matter of fact that in general cops have an IQ below 80?
You call me a "tool lover" probably because I said my wife is a ex cop?
FWIW she is the smartest, fastest and most brilliant person I know, and I'm no slouch....
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Nov 27, 2012 - 12:15am PT
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lives his whole life in the Yosemite Not so!
WB spent many winters on the eastside.
I recall him stopping by our pad and he was on his way to NM (Taos i believe) one winter ('79)!
He has traveled all around the world shooting vids with Mike Hoover & Bev Johnson, etc, also!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 27, 2012 - 12:25am PT
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Riles, now you've done it. You've been schooled by a Canuckian!
Oops, I forgot that you're one, too. Not to fear, we still luv ya! ;-)
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
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Nov 27, 2012 - 12:34am PT
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Thx Tfish. Good to know to avoid parking anywhere near Santanas.
Matter of fact, not really liking the idea of dealing with crowds in Josh at all.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Nov 27, 2012 - 12:58am PT
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Umm, I believe that Kris said his wife is an ex-cop, not that his ex-wife is a cop.
Being the husband of a former Sacramento PD officer, I fully agree with your sentiments.
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Tfish
Trad climber
La Crescenta, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 27, 2012 - 01:03am PT
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Munge, It actually wasn't too crowded there this weekend. We got on every route we wanted too with no wait except for maybe 5 mins for toe jam. But the park was packed with tourons and it looked like a city at night.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Nov 27, 2012 - 01:32am PT
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Umm, I believe that Kris said his wife is an ex-cop, not that his ex-wife is a cop.
Umm, yes. Thanks for straightening that out. We are, last I checked a happy pair.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Nov 27, 2012 - 09:30am PT
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You punctuated that sentence incorrectly!
FWIW - Last year when Swanky was limping badly, I got him from Indian Cove to the lot between JT Saloon and Coyote Corner. I was afraid to go any further for fear of a stall, he was bucking that wildly(It was fuel-related; not electrical).
I spoke with a few people and they suggested all manner of weapons, defenses. I said "Well, I will lock all the doors, sleep in clothes(usually I don't, but in situations where I think I may get woken up and need to interact with someone, I do), and keep my cel phone on."
I was a little worried, since I had heard all the animals, sick and venal, come ut at night in Joshua Tree.
Not a peep. Not so much as someone walking too closely to the van.
That's not to say stuff doesn't happen. Obviously it does. I don't like leaving the van to go into the park, especially if Teddy has to stay inside. When I have a library day, I park in the shade and that road would be an easy spot for someone to whom opportunity is presented. I make sure nothing except maybe water bottles and reading book is showing - everything else is stowed. And I come out and check on him. Swanky looked like death warmed over, and I think a lot of Californians thought the rust was contagious like Leprosy or something. Hopefully Swifty(new van), who is rust free looks innocuous enough so as not to taunt the desperate.
But there is no WAY I would leave ANY THING in an open truck bed. Not even a gas can.
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10b4me
Boulder climber
member since 2002
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Nov 27, 2012 - 10:53am PT
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How did this thread go from someone who f*#ked up and left his gear out in the open, to bagging on the Tool?
I' ve been tooled in Yose, and Josh, not fun and sure I was pissed but, I was in the wrong.
Hey tfish,, time to take some personal responsibility
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Tfish
Trad climber
La Crescenta, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 27, 2012 - 11:51am PT
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Back on topic.
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Nov 27, 2012 - 01:35pm PT
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It is so easy to say F&^k the police, but when they come to save your ass. When they show up to deal with the insane psycho guy everyone is too afraid to approach, yeah... I bet you are happy they are there to take care of the garbage. Yes, they are difficult people, but what do you expect? When my best friend who is a sheriff has to deal with at least two rapes a week. A murder every two weeks, a domestic abuse call two times a week. A child abuse scene every week. A death at a car accident almost everyday. (I am not exaggerating.) When she has to pick up the same criminal over and over again, she and many others like her are not in a good mood.
Especially when they have to deal with some whinny ass who is throwing attitude.
I will never say F*&^K the Police. "I thank the police." I know what they deal with everyday and I sure as heck am happy they are doing it instead of me.
So yeah, when I hear someone cussing out the police. It pisses me off. It says that the person doesn't give a damn beyond themselves and doesn't notice anything else beyond their little desires. Wake up, grow up, the world is a big scary place and the only reason you don't have bars in your window, don't need a gun to walk safely into town is those damn police.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Nov 27, 2012 - 02:39pm PT
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It is so easy to say F&^k the police, but when they come to save your ass blah blah blah
Yeah that's a nice summation of the pro-cop line.
Problem is, very few of us have ever had our ass saved by the police, or ever will (and this is regardless of whether our ass may in fact need saving). On the several occasions I've been a crime victim and reported it to the police (house burglarized twice, car broken into), I've got a "why are you bothering us, and how dare you expect us to even pretend to be interested" reaction. And this is in the lovely town of Boulder, so don't give me the-cops-are-shell-shocked-from-all-the-horrors-they-see line. (Boulder cops rate significantly above average in friendliness IMO, so I don't mean to pick on that dept.)
I treat cops with respect on the few occasions I interact with them, which generally seems to be falling into a speed trap once a year or so aside from my occasional victim status. But I don't have a particularly high respect for their line of "work" (if you can even really call it that). Oh, and they're insanely overpaid, at least in some jurisdictions. And even that's not enough for some of them:
http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t4#/video/politics/2012/11/26/ac-pkg-lah-police-chief-corruption.cnn
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ATS
climber
Mountain Project
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Nov 27, 2012 - 02:41pm PT
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Biggest question is why you were eating at Santanas in the first place? Gross!
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Nov 27, 2012 - 02:47pm PT
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why you were eating at Santanas
because they are victims! The victim types can not resist a late night carne asada burrito and a giant horchata
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Nov 27, 2012 - 02:55pm PT
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I have been on the receiving end of being saved. At the car accident, the folks were incredible handling the Bachar crash, getting us help, etc. Once when a friend committed suicide, also really supportive. Once when this insane guy went crazy in the apartment above me, shooting holes in his wall. The other time was another insane guy in the shop who also ended up shooting himself. Plus when my Dad passed out, the first at the scene was an officer who gave him oxygen and first aid until the paramedics and firefighters arrived. Oh yeah, when a creepy guy was following me to my car, an officer was behind him, grabbed him when he got too close.
Yeah, I have valid reasons to thank them. Wish you could respect that.
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Tfish
Trad climber
La Crescenta, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 27, 2012 - 02:57pm PT
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Biggest question is why you were eating at Santanas in the first place? Gross!
It was my first time eating there. And I said in an earlier post I had to poop 3 times the next morning (like the ones where your stomach hurts and feels like you're gonna puke until you get it out) and I also had spicy butthole all day.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Nov 27, 2012 - 02:58pm PT
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very few of us have ever had our ass saved by the police
You're not looking at the big picture, which is that if we did not have police we would not enjoy the relative security in which we live. Everyone benefits whether they personally have had their ass saved or not.
Sure, we've all had some negative experiences with LEO's. Mostly though, mine have been positive and I am glad they are out there. Some people seem to always have bad experiences with the cops. It must have something to do with chemistry or attitude. You only have one chance to make a first impression.
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10b4me
Boulder climber
member since 2002
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Nov 27, 2012 - 03:19pm PT
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Riley, are you done yet?
+1
tfish, how old are you?
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Tfish
Trad climber
La Crescenta, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 27, 2012 - 03:20pm PT
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tfish, how old are you?
27
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 27, 2012 - 03:23pm PT
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10b4me, are you asking tfish his age in order to ascertain his judgement
relative to eating at Santana's?
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Nov 27, 2012 - 03:26pm PT
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You would rather others censor their own views because they differ with yours?
I don't think people would have objected if Riley had said "I think" or "Some cops" or even "Most of the cops I've ever dealt with," but he made a blanket statement, and one that was frankly untrue and insulting to several people here.
According to ABC News, the average police officer nationwide has an IQ that is about 104. An average IQ is somewhere around 100, depending on the test that is being used. Source: http://www.minotdailynews.com/page/blogs.detail/display/745/Is-it-a-problem-if-a-cop-is-TOO-smart-.html
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Nov 27, 2012 - 03:30pm PT
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No I am not exaggerating about what she deals with. She calls me afterwards to get it out of her system. It's nuts. Sadly some places have more bad stuff than others. Oxnard falls into "more."
As for judging people on an individual basis. I totally agree. I also think that if you meet up with a cop and have a bad attitude, it reflects right back at you. Especially if you are being defensive, it makes them think you are guilty of something BIG.
Yes, there are bad cops out there. I get an earful about them from my Sheriff friend too. Luckily they also don't last long, it catches up to them.
I also bet if you are honest, work with them, etc. most situations won't turn sour. Riley, I respect your feelings about this, but your job is to cure. Theirs is to arrest, detain, catch a thief. It's not the same gig even though you share clients. Your relationships are different.
Worst thing my friend ever dealt with, walking in on a man kicking his dead child. It scars and changes you...
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Nov 27, 2012 - 03:39pm PT
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Bachar used to Love Santanas. I'm not sure what he thought of it, but probably any mexican food was better than the alternative for him
Simplistic views: f*#k/thank the police. The police are all those things. I have had the police wrongly point a gun at my head and then bitch me out for it instead of owning up to their mistake. I've also had the police come to my rescue.
Anybody with authority SHOULD be under suspicion, and that's the correct view. But to demonize people just because they have authority is just as stupid as acting like they can do no wrong and are inscrutable super heroes.
Yup, and most people come in heroic/evil mixtures, it just that when your job has the potential to seriously hurt people's lives, the effect is amplified.
I don't know what to think of Law Enforcement priorities. I hear so many stories that they won't come do anything about thefts and burglaries but somehow we have more people in prison per capita, than any country in the world, including islamic countries with Sharia law and China where bagging on the government gets you prison. Why? The failed drug war is primarily responsible. Somehow they have the resources to catch the low hanging fruit.
On the other hand, Meth, that's one drug that needs to be illegal. Everything is not created equal
Peace
karl
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Nov 27, 2012 - 03:44pm PT
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Jebus...that sounded profound.
I just can't help thinking of the fun day out climbing I had with Riley and a guy, a cop, who used to be a regular on this site. A day in JT during the SushiFest a few years ago, with the two of them setting up TR's on some routes for the rest of us.
I can't for the life of me imagine Riley would say that crap to this guy's face.
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 27, 2012 - 03:58pm PT
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Riley
I knew all along ^^^^ :-)
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10b4me
Boulder climber
member since 2002
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Nov 27, 2012 - 03:58pm PT
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Some people here on both sides should watch the movie Crash, grow up a little, and lay off the rhetoric pipe.
sound advice for some twenty-seven year olds
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Nov 27, 2012 - 04:00pm PT
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I know you Riley. I also like you. I was just pointing out the other side that most don't see, are not aware of. It's an ugly job so when they do a traffic stop... They have all that stuff in their head. It's wise to understand that and know why some of them are on edge. If you keep that in mind, I bet most folks can deal with them better. I really believe understanding the police can go a long way for figuring out good ways to deal with them. It is a win, win situation. Yes, it's not black and white. Nothing in life is... Not all cops are good, that is for sure... Yet... Even with bad cops, bad attitude only makes things worse. Plus, a bad attitude will make a good cop go sour on you. It's a really bad and pointless thing to do either way. You for sure won't win.
Peace.
AFS
P.S. Yes. Bachar LOVED Santanas. I swear that man thought he was on the steps of heaven while eating there. :)
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Nov 27, 2012 - 05:09pm PT
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Good cops? Bad cops??
Action starts around 1:15
You decide:
Meh, I have some sympathy for genuinely crazy guys who wind up on the wrong end of a power-mad cop's nightstick or whatever.
But cops dispensing a little street justice to gangsters (real or wannabees) and/or their film crew are probably making the world a better place.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Nov 27, 2012 - 05:33pm PT
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Cops are a reflection of society, the good, the bad and the ugly.
Same could be said of climbers. Right now in San Diego there is a Navy Seal going to trial for ripping his Seal buddies off to the tune of one million dollars.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Nov 27, 2012 - 05:51pm PT
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Beware, a long post…
Firstly, TFish, glad you got your gear back, even at a price of some sort. Did you do the right thing? The wrong thing? Should you have told the cops?
In 1987, working the bar in a restaurant in London’s Regent Street, I got off late, as people in the biz do. I walked up Oxford Street to the bus stop for the East End (18 months in Plaistow).
These two blokes (Scottish by their accents, not that it matters) walked up and asked me for a fiver, I said I did not have one. Next thing you know I am falling to the ground and my head was used as a football with a HUGE kick, the other guy said forget it let’s go. I was seeing tweety birds spinning around.
Two couples nearby, but… if it was just two guys, maybe they would have helped me, but when you have your partner with you, you have to weigh the consequences. I don’t blame them for standing by.
When I gained my wits, I went to Tottenham Court Road police station and reported it. Nothing came of it, but with the workload of a city like London, perhaps some bobbies/cops are overwhelmed.
Next day in the restaurant, a couple of my colleagues said they would (in my place) have fought the two guys off. But as another colleague pointed out, two against one, Patrick is dazed and these guys may have blades in their pockets?
What should I have done? Easy for some to say until they are confronted with a situation.
What do I do?
I would never want to be an LEO, but there are a lot of good ones, and I am glad that somebody has to do it and not me.
And I have several bad cop stories to tell.
Yo Valley ranger pulling a gun on me? (I may have deserved it, I was acting funny, D. Y. and I dropped acid at the base of the Cap earlier in the day). Coming out of the Curry employees showers, a security guard reported me (I wasn’t Curry Co).
This ranger pulls up, and escorts/walks me back to my car in the employee parking lot. He asks for ID, I reach in the glove box and next thing... a gun pointed at me. Never before and never again, hopefully. Can’t blame Mr Ranger – me acting weird, putting my hand in a glove box dark at night, still I was scared to sh#t.
Here is the kicker.
I drive back to C4 parking lot. Around the campfire at night are a bunch of us from the Columbia/ Sonora area. We hear cries of help from the Falls Trail. I am elected to call the rangers and David Y and this other guy go up the Falls Trail.
I go to the phone booth at the gas station at C4 parking lot. Finally get through (there never is a cop around when you want one, but some have large beats, however, not in the Valley).
About 15 minutes later who shows up? Yep, you guessed it. Mr Ranger thinks I am making false reports. He lectures me and off he goes.
David Y and other came down from the trail with newlyweds from the Midwest. The guy had fallen about ten feet off the trail onto a ledge.
They treat DY and the other bloke to a meal at the Foul Squeezings. Me? Nada, and a LEO who doesn’t like me (but that was 1976).
There’s more… (bear with me, it’s a long-winded post… to paraphrase a distant relative “If I had more time, I would have written a shorter post”).
CHP Officer Puff (real name), hung around the Lafayette/Walnut Creek and surrounds (Highways 24 and 80). Twice citations for me. The second time (running red light, it was green) the bailiff says that Puff (real name, I kid you not), usually has four times more cases/challenges than any other cop in the WC courthouse, so to speak. EDIT However, I was in the right (I had diagrams, photos, etc to prove my point, but still lost my case. I figure I was the third of four of Puff's "challengers", the first two were acquitted, so the judge probably thought he should give one to Puff.)
My old psychedelic-painted (that Bridwell loved apparently) 1948 Ford Pickup with (home-built camper shell), how many times between Lafayette and Valley/TM was I stopped (I think more out of the LEO’s curiosity). Livermore, Tracy, Manteca, Escalon, Oakdale… and so forth and so on. Harassment? Probably, but two sides to every coin… and then the grey areas.
1980 – Late Friday, leaving as a chef at The Refectory in WC. Come up to an accident scene (not mine, single car, no injuries among three guys), deputy halts me, he thinks I was going to fast in the fog.
I pull over, he runs a wants and warrants. Next thing you know, I am in county jail. Mom bails me out. Monday after the judge hears my side, he says, “no charges and your bail money back”.
My side? About a year earlier, in my Datsun PU, a CHP pulls me over, white on red tail light. It broke the day before and I just was coming home with a new tail light assembly. I showed him it and the receipt. Nope. Fix-it ticket.
Easily fixed and to Martinez CHP station. A lieutenant signed the fix-it ticket off. I sent it, by post to the WC courthouse. Apparently it never got there. So a warrant was issued for my arrest, and hence the previous scenario.
Moral of the story: If you have to deliver legal documents. If possible, do it by post. How many times have I heard, as a journalist, “the vagaries of the post”.
Cops… most good, some bad. Like life.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Nov 27, 2012 - 05:55pm PT
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Cops are a reflection of society, the good, the bad and the ugly.
Moreso the bad.. They live eat crawl and die in the crappiest that life has to offer. They are trained to be authoritative. They attain a severely warped view of reality. The job itself attracts more often the powerhungry and anal retentive.
Rare is the situation where a cop makes things better and even then often too late.
Of all the risks to my life, limb, freedom, and financial security.. none has come close in real world ACTUAL RESULTS to that of the goddamn LEO.
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Tfish
Trad climber
La Crescenta, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 27, 2012 - 06:06pm PT
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Firstly, TFish, glad you got your gear back, even at a price of some sort. Did you do the right thing? The wrong thing? Should you have told the cops?
It wasn't even that bad of a price. Who else can say they bought a huge rack for $43. I don't even care I lost my #5, it cost me like $2.
I think I did the right thing. The guy knew where we were camping and if I ratted him out he could have come looking for me. Or I might have spent a few hours the next day talking to cops and filing a report instead of climbing some really fun stuff.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Nov 27, 2012 - 06:09pm PT
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Rare is the situation where a cop makes things better and even then often too late.
Cops help people all the time--it just does not make the news most of the time. Ever been stranded on the side of the road and had a cop stop and help out? Ever watch YOSAR rescue someone of the Captain? (YOSAR is run by cops.)
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Nov 27, 2012 - 06:13pm PT
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Yeah most SAR groups are under the authority of LEO's .. but they are not generally the ones doing the work. RESCUE is not normally the day to day job of the average LEO. I did not say that the popo is NEVER a good thing.. just RARELY.
The fact remains that the greatest threat to my life and all i care about in it has been LEO's. Just a fact and one many others can relate to.
Coming from a mountaineer that should say something.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Nov 27, 2012 - 06:37pm PT
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LEOs are like the Immune system of our society. If you are threatened with real sickness, you need them. Sometimes they win, and sometimes you get sick anyway.
But in situations where there's not much crime, they become like an auto-immune disease like Arthritis, Hashimoto's, or even aids. They attack the people who they are supposed to protect because their main function is to protect by attacking without the best discrimination of what to attack. When it's your job to bust crime, your idea of sucess in your job in our society that emphasizes competition, is to find something to bust.
Thus our prohibition style drug war as turned regular citizens into criminals and LEOs into the enemy. Really sad for both the LEOs and the people as otherwise they could be white knights for all
PEace
Karl
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Gal
Trad climber
a semi lucid consciousness
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Nov 27, 2012 - 06:50pm PT
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+3 Karl.
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Nov 27, 2012 - 08:58pm PT
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Joshua Tree has the look and feel of a small town. After living here for many years I've noticed that peoples impression seems to be on par with the town of Mayberry.
The real truth however is in stark contrast. The Morongo Basin as a whole is a welfare state. We also have some very big city problems with regards to drugs and theft.
I know because my wife and I had our entire house cleaned out by meth addicts while we were in L.A. so she could get chemo.
Visitors (like the OP) let their guard down and do foolish things like leaving belongings either very visible in their cars, or just outright in the open. Then act surprised by the results.
Law enforcement has their hands full here. The night this apparently happened there was indeed a shooting in Yucca Valley. One person is in the hospital in critical condition.
Joshua Tree is actually a very large area geographically. This means it is a very big area to cover.
Just some perspective to clear some of the outright bullshit that has been posted to this thread.
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Nov 27, 2012 - 09:14pm PT
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Indirectly related to this - a couple months ago I had an expensive mountain bike stolen from the basement of the office building where I work in downtown San Francisco. The thief managed to get into the bike lockup even though it was key coded. He was recorded on security video cam cutting the lock off and leaving with my bike. I burned the video to CD, printed a couple frame grabs of the thief and dropped it all off with SFPD. I expected to never hear back, but to my surprise got a call a week later from a police inspector saying he was distributing the video for officers to view. Shortly after that I got another call saying 3 officers had recognized the thief, who is a known burgler and meth user, and that the DA was issuing a no bail arrest warrant. I called SFPD today to find out what was happening with the case. They told me the guy was arrested 6 days ago and arraigned this afternoon on charges of grand theft for stealing my bike. He's also facing charges of violating parole.
Unfortunately, there's little chance of getting my bike back, but its assuring to know this guy is doing time as I type and not getting away with it. Quite impressive followup by SFPD. I'll be seeing this crook in court.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Nov 27, 2012 - 09:15pm PT
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I ain't against ass kickings - in fact I am very pro ass kicking.
Just do the ass kicking on folks who deserve an ass kicking.
Not innocent citizens.
Problem is, that is in the eye of the beholder.
I seriously doubt that there are many people in bad parts of their lives that are made better by getting beaten. for example:
Having grown up pretty poor as I did, you don't completely trust the police. I was raised to be polite, answer the questions, and move on. But when you've been unfairly tooled a couple of times, you see "that crap" has something to it, and that the police aren't an unbiased mirror merely reflecting back our own bad attitudes.
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Hoffbrow
Trad climber
California
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Nov 28, 2012 - 09:55am PT
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Cops in Joshua Tree are LAME.... I was heading out of the park years ago... stoped at Sams market for some junk food,....... backed my car up 8 feet and THEN turned on my headlights instead of turning the lights on before backing.... (note, this is all in a parking lot) they pulled me over and never asked for any iD... The yanked my car door open and with hands on thier pistol yelled GET OUT OF THE CAR! and asked if i was DRUNK... the last beer i drank was about 20 years ago...... I called their watch commander and told him that his men are THUGS WITH NEPOLIAN COMPLEX.
WHAT A BUNCH OF TAX WASTING DNUT EATING LOOSERS.... really what a bunch of sh#t.
PS glad you got your gear back and lets set up a sting opporation and catch those meth heads in the act
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 28, 2012 - 11:01am PT
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his men are THUGS WITH NEPOLIAN COMPLEX
Did you mean Neapolitan? Why can't they leave out the faux strawberry?
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Nov 28, 2012 - 06:42pm PT
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Bachar thought he was black. He disliked the police yet... He liked the officers that saved his home in Mammoth from burning down. He liked the officer that steadied his neck when they got him out of his wrecked car.
Life is weird, that is for sure.
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Hoffbrow
Trad climber
California
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Nov 28, 2012 - 07:51pm PT
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Tough.. they were JERKS. Period... go cry to a judge. Read the note;;; it was in a parking lot at the first 2 seconds of backing up... They have COWBOY attitudes out there and you know it.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 28, 2012 - 08:09pm PT
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Maybe you should have offered them the ice cream first.
I've been suggesting a sting for years, but you people who naively leave out tempting rewards for theives are also part of the problem, but unfortunately it doesn't work the same as "a fed bear is a dead bear".
Now,... if they sold tweaker-thief hunting tags,...
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Hoffbrow
Trad climber
California
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Nov 28, 2012 - 08:22pm PT
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:) Yes. Ice Cream may have worked :)
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 29, 2012 - 12:14pm PT
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I was gonna post that, too, but I figured it would be met with:
"That's the exception which proves the rule."
I'd also like to introduce Riles to my nephew, aka The Tool Without A
Bad Bone In His Body. If you met him and didn't know he was a tool you'd
think he was a kindergarten teacher.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 29, 2012 - 02:13pm PT
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Nov 29, 2012 - 08:57pm PT
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I guess you're using a satirical style again there Riley...?
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little Z
Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
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Nov 29, 2012 - 10:25pm PT
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what is going on here? I've been away and come back to see that this thread has 194 posts? I read it back when it first came up and thought it was dead after the 3rd post where the OP said he got his gear back. Weird are we here at ST.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Nov 29, 2012 - 10:52pm PT
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"man, i'm in a bad mood, let's go f*#k somebody up..."
words from an Antioch CHP officer, we know the daughter of the cop,
law enforcement is random at best,
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Hoffbrow
Trad climber
California
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Nov 29, 2012 - 11:06pm PT
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this is my last post on this thread. this is how nice they can be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn8CE5ISUSw
Manuel Ramos, a police officer from Fullerton, California, has been charged with second degree murder for allegedly beating a mentally-ill homeless person to death last year. His co-worker, Officer Jay Cicinelli, faces charges of involuntary manslaughter and excessive use of force. This video from a surveillance camera shows Kelly Thomas, the victim, pleading for his life while the officers beat him on the street.
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Hoffbrow
Trad climber
California
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Nov 29, 2012 - 11:33pm PT
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Locker.. go tell his family how FUNNY YOU think it is that he is DEAD...
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Hoffbrow
Trad climber
California
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Nov 29, 2012 - 11:34pm PT
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Come on Locker... to slow? think up some funny reply... DUH... nothing yet :)
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Hoffbrow
Trad climber
California
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Nov 29, 2012 - 11:35pm PT
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still waiting Locker... snort to much climbing chaulk? thought so!
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Hoffbrow
Trad climber
California
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Nov 29, 2012 - 11:36pm PT
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Locker # 4 Cam up your rear i guess :)
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other
Trad climber
LA, CA
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Nov 30, 2012 - 03:09am PT
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Does happiegrllllll ever get off the computer long enough to lead above 5.3 or just spew endlessly online about new York and social commentary? Unless you live in ny, nj or ct, no one cares about ny.
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John M
climber
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Nov 30, 2012 - 03:21am PT
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Does happiegrllllll ever get off the computer long enough to lead above 5.3 or just spew endlessly online about new York and social commentary? Unless you live in ny, nj or ct, no one cares about ny.
who gives a sh#t how hard she climbs. she has 7 whole posts on this thread spread over multiple days. Riley has over 20 on this thread alone. why didn't you bag on him? Cause he climbs harder then you? What are you? A chickensh#t. Can only pick on girls. How about picking on me? I have been on the computer all day. I have 29 posts today.
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John M
climber
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Nov 30, 2012 - 03:30am PT
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Amen to that Riley..
oh sh#t.. now I have 30 posts. Oh.. and Blue loves the ocean more then all of us.
Prolly.. hahaha..
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Nov 30, 2012 - 09:11am PT
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I wonder who Other is. Probably one of the old B Team as#@&%es(who mostly climb quite hard, by the way).
Actually - I HAVE been on the computer pretty much all day for the last....many days. I knew when I left NY that I didn't have enough cash for gas to get to California, and that I would at some point have to hunker down and wait for the flow to return. It was longer than I expected, and though there were sales coming in throughout, I decided to keep the gas tank full and mosey around a region between Kentucky and Arkansas instead of run it out and be unable to continue while stopped in a small town in the western segment, and risk the possibility of being accused of vagrancy(and thus avoid a tooling).
I did a lot of work during this time, and yesterday finalized a contract for a nice(relative to what I usually come up with) contract for business consulting and administrative work. Plus, my monthly trust fund(not really, but it is passive income) payment became available. Phew!
I am still going to be online today for big segments, as I will be doing some work for this new client and my own businesses, and in between small tasks I cannot help but take a not-infrequent toke off the crack pipe of climbing discussion boards.
Tomorrow I will begin again in earnest, though I probably will still only average 3-4 hundred mile days. I'm lazy like that, and maybe that's why I don't lead as hard as I am supposed to, to be considered a viable climber by people like Other.
And Riley - I am sorry I have been bagging on you, but have to admit, you do seem angry a lot this last two years. Hoping that whatever is causing the stress which makes you see red can be dissipated soon. Living the world wearing rose-tinted glasses is much better for our health and the welfare of the world(that's not to say we should ignore injustices and phoniness).
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10b4me
Boulder climber
member since 2002
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Nov 30, 2012 - 12:11pm PT
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Other, and no one gives a f*#k about el lay
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Nov 30, 2012 - 01:40pm PT
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This thread has turned into a classic piece of collaborative literature. Kudos to all who have contributed.
Cmac, This belongs in the next newsletter.
And someday "the best of Supertopo Forum."
By all means, continue to take it up to 1,000 posts.
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John M
climber
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Nov 30, 2012 - 02:09pm PT
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I sort of believe a little righteous anger now and then is okay. Its when its a steady state, or when it gets mean that I think it becomes a problem.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Nov 30, 2012 - 02:09pm PT
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This thread is on its way! Lets see how far OT it can go.
who is Other, young arrogant punk or a bitter old curmudgeon? Enquiring minds want to know.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 30, 2012 - 02:16pm PT
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Eeeds naahd a tumor!
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John M
climber
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Nov 30, 2012 - 02:17pm PT
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thet picture terrorifies me.
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Tfish
Trad climber
La Crescenta, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2012 - 03:08pm PT
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The crackheads have this guys BRAIN and will return it for 43 dollars
and 5 cactus plants
Will they take 5 Joshua Trees instead of 5 Cactus plans?
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Nov 30, 2012 - 05:19pm PT
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This thread is on its way! Lets see how far OT it can go.
It hasn't been officially OT yet...
Now it's Off Topic. You're welcome. :D
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jstan
climber
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Nov 30, 2012 - 05:23pm PT
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Lois will split a gut laughing at that cartoon.
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Tfish
Trad climber
La Crescenta, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2012 - 05:39pm PT
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You're not that off topic Vegas, Marmots still sh#t too. You're gonna have to try harder than that.
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Nov 30, 2012 - 07:40pm PT
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Hey T! Glad you got your gear back, and that situation sucks for real. I'm nervous any time I stop anywhere in JT, even if my stuff is locked up. Bad situation.
Just so you don't get too riled, "Off Topic Marmot" appears on ST when a thread is getting too far off the posted thread topic. For instance, your topic was about the theft and recovery; then people chose to take it other ways with their personal axes to grind.
He's there as a humor device, and to remind people to please stay On Topic. Smile and love the Off Topic Marmot!
If you get up to Vegas any time, let's go climbing.
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