What is the largest El Cap team age spread?

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Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 14, 2012 - 01:24pm PT
of legitimate partners, someone who contributed to the ascent, not just jugging the whole thing.
Cheyne and I are 35 years apart.
Jeremy

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Nov 14, 2012 - 01:33pm PT
Paul GAGner is 42 years older than me.

BTW Mark...I nominate you and Max as the SHORTEST El Cap Team!

Well...unless there has been an all midget ascent!

WOO HOO!!!

:-)

J
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 14, 2012 - 01:36pm PT
I am almost 52. My other me is 13.

So there's almost 40 years when I'm by myself......





But Jeremy's mom? mmmmmmm good.....
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 14, 2012 - 01:41pm PT
No way, Jeremy, Gagner is younger than me and you are older than Cheyne!

Max is not tall, he's about 5'8", but yeah, I bring the average way down.
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 14, 2012 - 01:48pm PT
Eric Sanford, who I did the NA Wall with, and who probably never cracked 5'4" wrote about us in a Summit article "our combined height is no where near eleven feet and we both use half bags as comfortable sleeping bags…"
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 14, 2012 - 01:51pm PT
Yeah, Gagner is 85.....

Jeremy needs to back off the Modus.
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Nov 14, 2012 - 01:52pm PT
Apparently ot the largest, but for reference:
Gerry Bloch 81, Mike Corbett 45, spread of 36, in 1999 - not much different than Mark and Cheyne!
Hans Florine 37, Scott Cory, 11, spread of 26, in 2001.

[sorry, I did not see the "legitimate partner" qualifier]
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 14, 2012 - 01:54pm PT
Wow, 81, that's impressive.
Melissa

Gym climber
berkeley, ca
Nov 14, 2012 - 01:55pm PT
Most female teams beat short male teams for minimum stature.

Have Jim and Cara H. done El Cap yet?
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Nov 14, 2012 - 02:04pm PT
I don't think Jim and Kara have done El Cap yet, other than the West Face, and a run up to the Stovelegs where there was a a traffic jam of other parties. Their age spread is somewhere in the 30s, I think.
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 14, 2012 - 02:08pm PT
So what about the oldest team of two?
Melissa

Gym climber
berkeley, ca
Nov 14, 2012 - 02:13pm PT
Probably a couple of grizzled Germans on the Nose who didn't check in or consider themselves old.
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 14, 2012 - 02:17pm PT
Melissa, do you still have that hook?
Greg Barnes

climber
Nov 14, 2012 - 02:19pm PT
Reminds me of driving a 4x4 road into southern Death Valley when I was 15 - my grandmother was driving the other 4x4 and she was 81, my dad thought we probably had the oldest & youngest ever to drive that road, let alone at the same time!
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 14, 2012 - 02:19pm PT
I heard that Eric Pearlman & partner have the record for oldest team of two.

I remember that Summit article. I have the issue in storage
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 14, 2012 - 02:40pm PT
I know Eric really wants to get the oldest NIAD ascent with both climbers over 60 but I don't think it's happened yet.
micronut

Trad climber
Nov 14, 2012 - 03:21pm PT
I wonder what the largest spread in IQ's is for a team.

I'm a 182. Mark? Please say we aren't gonna break the record this Spring.
eKat

Trad climber
BackInTheDitch BackInTheDirt BackInTheDay
Nov 14, 2012 - 03:22pm PT

Paul GAGner is 42 years older than me.

HOH MAHN!
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 14, 2012 - 03:25pm PT
Uh, ah, we'll. I like eggs!
ec

climber
ca
Nov 14, 2012 - 03:33pm PT
Bloch, a pioneering climber BITD, did jug his last ascent. Disqualified from thread.

 ec
briham89

Big Wall climber
san jose, ca
Nov 14, 2012 - 03:33pm PT
One of my partners and I are 3 days apart ;)
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Nov 14, 2012 - 03:36pm PT
I've been wondering recently who is the oldest to free an El Cap route? Not the West Face. Jim Herson? Age? When is Hudon going to get after this?
Melissa

Gym climber
berkeley, ca
Nov 14, 2012 - 03:39pm PT
I think Steve freed it at 50ish, and one or more Huber has done so in their 40's, I think (guessing on age). Heinz was probably in his 40's when he did Freerider, and Platinum Rob would have been around 40 on the Pre-Muir.

Mark, maybe I'll get you for Secret Santa. It's still sitting out waiting for me to go to the post office and remember it at the same time.
Norte_Caroliña_Climber

Gym climber
BigWall Baller From the Holler
Nov 14, 2012 - 03:39pm PT
Well JLP,

Has Englekirk freed an EC route? He'd be a candidate for oldest to free it. Probably gotta be StevePoopi at this point, but wasn't that on the one with the A0 rappell point (El Nino maybe?) not all free if you're a hard liner on them things.
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 14, 2012 - 03:44pm PT
Well, Max and I are going to be celebrating the 40th anniversary of our first climb together, The Nose, in 2016. He'll be 58 and I'll be 60.

Route TBA.
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 14, 2012 - 03:45pm PT
I think Shipoopi does have the oldest free ascent.
Bad Climber

climber
Nov 14, 2012 - 03:48pm PT
Wow, Mark, that is soooo cool. You guys have always been my heroes. Get after it!

BAd
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 14, 2012 - 03:57pm PT
Well, it ain't 2016 yet, but there is always dreaming…
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Nov 14, 2012 - 04:03pm PT
Shipoopi does have the oldest free ascent

How old was he?
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 14, 2012 - 04:07pm PT
I think he's 54 now and I know it wasn't in the last four years.
Gagner

climber
Boulder
Nov 14, 2012 - 04:07pm PT
Steve is 52
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 14, 2012 - 05:09pm PT
duplicate post, but what's memory to a disc drive

Bloch was pretty impressive.


I believe Gerry Bloch did at 68. Then again at 81. Sadly, he passed away in 2008.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/El-Capitan-and-the-King-At-81-Gerry-Bloch-2923744.php

Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Nov 14, 2012 - 05:23pm PT
Mark, maybe you should train up Paul, and do a route with him. There must be 30+ years between you, maybe enough for a record.
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 14, 2012 - 05:31pm PT
Paul, my nephew? No, he's 32, much older than Cheyne.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Nov 14, 2012 - 05:32pm PT
OK then, how about your daughter?
WBraun

climber
Nov 14, 2012 - 05:39pm PT
None of this age stuff or spreads make any sense at all pertaining to climbing competence.

Yet it's used all the time.

Seems totally weird to me.

It's what you know and can do in the present moment that counts ......

Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 14, 2012 - 05:41pm PT
Werner, yes, it's relevance to competence is non-existant, but it's more fun to talk about this than politics!
MH, she keeps saying she wants to climb the Nose with me. She's 15 now. It would be wild to do it with her.
Andrew Barnes

Ice climber
Albany, NY
Nov 14, 2012 - 05:50pm PT
What about Fred Beckey? Did he do any climbing on El Cap? He certainly climbed a lot in the Sierra Nevada.
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Nov 14, 2012 - 07:54pm PT
Clint's page suggests Shipoopi did Freerider in 2005. So, about 45 yrs old is the oldest free ascent?
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Nov 14, 2012 - 07:58pm PT
Probably not a record, but who was it that climbed El Cap with his son when he was in his sixties?

I wanna say Tom Higgins, but I may be wrong. I think I read about it in a magazine, but I may be wrong .
Melissa

Gym climber
berkeley, ca
Nov 14, 2012 - 09:38pm PT
^Good call. Ryan and Tom Frost on the Salathe.
Darwin

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Nov 14, 2012 - 10:14pm PT

Sorry if I missed this up-thread, but I wonder about the youngest combined age? But they had to have swung leads. For starters, I'm putting out Luke and Werner back in '70 or '71?.
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 14, 2012 - 10:27pm PT
Wasn't it Bill Price and Kurt Reider, 14 and 15 respectively?
can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Nov 15, 2012 - 07:56am PT
I would venture a guess that Lynn Hill and Mari Gingery have it for the shortest team. FAFA (first all female ascent) of the Shield
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 15, 2012 - 08:39am PT
Tom and T.M. Herbert climbed the West Face (?) after Herbert the elder's 60th birthday.
klaus

Big Wall climber
Pacif*#ka Muthaf*#ka
Nov 15, 2012 - 10:24am PT
it seems you people are a bit obsessed with this El Crap.
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