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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 13, 2012 - 01:11pm PT
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I just received this email;
Hi Jay,
Hopefully you are out climbing and having fun!!! Where?????
Please post this to ST exactly as written:
Elfont Charitable Fund
Tax ID Number: 680419449
Organization Name: AMERICAN SAFE CLIMBING ASSOCIATION
Mailing Address: PO BOX 1814
BISHOP, CA 93515
Contact Name: Greg Barnes
Phone Number:
Charitable Sector: Other
Grant Acknowledgment: Disclose Name and Address
Jeff Elfont
1440 Maria Ln.
Number 210
Walnut Creek, CA 94596-
Special Purpose: Designation: Where it's needed most
Grant Amount:
$1,700.00
Giving Account Name: Elfont Charitable Fund
Tax ID Number: 320030010
Organization Name: YOSEMITE CLIMBING ASSOCIATION
Mailing Address: PO BOX 89
YOSEMITE NTPK, CA 95389
Contact Name:
Phone Number:
Charitable Sector: Other
Grant Acknowledgment: Disclose Name and Address
Jeff Elfont
1440 Maria Ln.
Number 210
Walnut Creek, CA 94596-
Special Purpose: Designation: Where it's needed most
Grant Amount:
$1,700.00
Elfont Charitable Fund
Tax ID Number: 542081466
Organization Name: FRIENDS OF YOSAR INC
Mailing Address: PO BOX 611
YOSEMITE, CA 95389
Contact Name:
Phone Number:
Charitable Sector: Other
Grant Acknowledgment: Disclose Name and Address
Jeff Elfont
1440 Maria Ln.
Number 210
Walnut Creek, CA 94596-
Special Purpose: Designation: Where it's needed most
Grant Amount:
$1,700.00
Norton is a nameless troll, a weak individual.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Nov 13, 2012 - 01:15pm PT
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Kudos to his Fatness
Just shows the 1% can save a lot of money living in his mom's basement ;-)
Somehow I knew this thread would be about Fatty.
Peace
Karl
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Nov 13, 2012 - 01:19pm PT
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It was his call, but I wish he would have blacked out his TAX ID numbers and address (but perhaps it's his office).
Funds to good use....
Susan
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Nov 13, 2012 - 01:19pm PT
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I stand corrected. He honored his commitment.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Nov 13, 2012 - 01:25pm PT
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Thanks to Fatrad!
(I kinda, sorta, miss him.)
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Nov 13, 2012 - 01:26pm PT
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hey there say, jaybro and all...
i don't know all the 'what happens' as the 'don't get along'ers'
here... i just always hope and pray that folks sort it out
and keep our quilt sewed, to be a to its best potential for
all the climbers here...
you all really belong together...
well i just said that to say this:
i may not know what this is about, but i do know this, as
i come from a big family and have four kids, and now see the
grandkids and step-ones:
we are ALL different... and we all belong, for various reasons
on this ol' earth...
we all have heartfelt jobs that we do...
and outreaches and even 'in-reaches'--meaning our homes,
or as 'care-givers'..
some even, as i once was, don't do much (though i get to, now)
we just shine, instead, and bloom where we are planted...
thus, knowing that we are all differnt...
here's a hope and prayer for new buffering and
smoothing of the rough edges here, so folks
will overlap better and join better in either
conversations, debates, or presenting differences...
say--we may even find that we are all a bit the SAME as well,
in areas NOT yet seen, then...
god bless to all this day...
and may we all find our ways to give, even when we can't give funds:
we can sure give love or encouragement, or--
perhaps just a friendly HANDSHAKE when we come to find a differance
that we can't handle too well...
at least it makes for a new clear field, for the
next day, :)
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 13, 2012 - 01:28pm PT
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fattrad, if you really made those contributions, I'm quite impressed. Hope you are well, too.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Nov 13, 2012 - 01:32pm PT
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hey there say, ekat...
as to your post, just above...
Interesting. . . a friend and I were just discussing the dismay attached to people who bring nothing to the table that money can't buy.
No joy.
No sweetness.
No laughter.
No love.
Just something they bought and paid for; believing, wholeheartedly, that that's enough
(left the last part out, think it was, 'dismay')
WELL:
wow, i have seen that, as well:
folks that spoil kids with gifts, but never give them real time, or
the deeper love of: i am giving you time to share part of me, AND to get to know-and-relate you--that is a part that family members will never forget... (had to edit a bit, in there, that i left out)..
all the storebought stuff, to buy love that way, just amounts to a pile
of 'junk' later, when the kids turn into teenagers, and, are spoiled, and yet confused inside when they no longer get pacified... and--rightly then, as, no one knows or understand them (or what went wrong)... all everyone cares about then is: everyone is bothered and 'inconvinienced'...
right now, i am praying for some folks related to us, over that, :(
love means, giving of yourself, with the care to give what is most precious:
TIME...
saidly it is misused and horded these days, :(
*just a commercial, folks--i know i took it a bit off track,
but as to ekat's important note, but i've seen the 'principle in action' and how it's hurt families, so--it set me into:
mommy mode...
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Nov 13, 2012 - 01:35pm PT
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I'm not surprised. well done fatty.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Nov 13, 2012 - 01:46pm PT
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Give fatty a break. The contributions add up to $5100. I'm sure he ponied up
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10b4me
Boulder climber
member since 2002
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Nov 13, 2012 - 01:46pm PT
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thanks Jeff.
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briham89
Big Wall climber
san jose, ca
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Nov 13, 2012 - 02:01pm PT
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Nice. All to good causes
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Nov 13, 2012 - 02:08pm PT
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hey there say, ekat... thanks for sharing... yeah, i did not think you had, but on the net, it is good to tie things up, so everyone can know what we were getting at--in person, it is so easy to see and know...
yep--it just reminded me of a sad situation that i am now seeing in a family, and have seen FAR too often...
so i took it as a good point to share an extra
side note:
hope i did not confuse things here...
*hence--why i added it as a commercial, :)
i love how folks share, whether in general, or in funds, or in simply a hug:
it's just that nowadays, parents are too busy to understand these
real shares, while--many in the world, without kids, SEEM to understand...
i think it is due to many hardships that we see along our trails...
being 'out of the box' and into world, we SEE more than our self...
:)
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Nov 13, 2012 - 02:24pm PT
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Actions speak louder than words.
Well done
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jstan
climber
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Nov 13, 2012 - 02:33pm PT
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I am sure it took a thousand years for the first homo sapiens to learn how best to communicate face to face.
Do you suppose it will also take us a thousand years to figure out how to use the internet?
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Nov 13, 2012 - 02:35pm PT
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Well stated, John!
More importantly to me, well done, Jeff!
John
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Nov 13, 2012 - 02:35pm PT
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They DON'T match...
Even your post above proves that...
Bet = $5000.00
Amount posted = $5100.00
Locker they are for the same recipients and for the same amounts, only with the contribution rounded up to the nearest hundred.
If he'd made only the minimum contribution called for by his bet, he would have given $1,666.67 to each. Instead he gave $1,700 to each.
All that proves is that he is generous.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Nov 13, 2012 - 02:39pm PT
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Thing about fatty is he seemed infected with internet Troll syndrome and had too much time on his hands.
Every time I heard of someone meeting him in person.. at face lift or whatever they had good things to say about him.
SO perhaps it's best for him and us if he stays off the net but I'd like to meet him sometime for sure.
Anycase damn solid to give in a way that has a real chance of changing/saving lives. Good causes there.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Nov 13, 2012 - 02:40pm PT
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Considering that Greg Barnes and Chris Mac (ASCA) and Werner (YOSAR) view these pages frequently, a falsification of this information would be pretty stupid, and very quickly revealed.
Fortunately for me I have not needed the services of YOSAR, but I have benefited from ASCA (and also done replacement work using materials provided by them) so I'll say Thanks, Jeff!
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Gary
Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
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Nov 13, 2012 - 02:40pm PT
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Kudos to fattrad.
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Roger Brown
climber
Oceano, California
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Nov 13, 2012 - 02:45pm PT
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Thanks Jeff,
The replacement is the easy part. The money for the hardware is the hard part. It's people like you that make it all come together.
Roger Brown
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Nov 13, 2012 - 02:53pm PT
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Good Job fattrad....
i thought he would have given all $5k to the Ryan Assault on the 14ers of colorado....
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Nov 13, 2012 - 02:56pm PT
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Locker is always looking for dates...
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Nov 13, 2012 - 03:05pm PT
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One can always ask and be with certainty that this type of request is reasonable. By IRS rules a charitable fundraising group can expense out 90% of it's donations leaving only 10% for the nominal purpose. Where can the 90% go? Administrative salaries. Get it?
And your point is?
I ran a "not for profit" 501.c3 in NY back in the 80s. It was a chamber music group. Most of our donated and earned income went to salaries, our salaries (the musicians.) Our purpose was to perform music. We paid ourselves to do so.
I do know 1st hand that asca is a very lean running organization.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Nov 13, 2012 - 03:29pm PT
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Bravo, PhatTrad! And I pee on the critics from a great height.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 13, 2012 - 03:35pm PT
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I am sooo looking forward to living in a place where everyone is perfect
and boring. Until then I am happy to be here with people like Jeff.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Nov 13, 2012 - 04:13pm PT
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Jaybro, get an email from Fatty about the election results.
That's what I want to see.
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Prod
Trad climber
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Nov 13, 2012 - 04:23pm PT
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I honestly never doubted that he would stand by his word.
Prod.
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Prod
Trad climber
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Nov 13, 2012 - 04:34pm PT
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He was probably going to donate the exact amount regardless...
TAX WRITE OFF...
I just DON'T buy into his sh!t at all...
Sure he gets the tax write off, so what! All a tax write off does is lower his taxable income by 5K, it still costs him +/-$3500 out of pocket. More than I gave this year....
Prod.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Nov 13, 2012 - 04:35pm PT
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Nice job Jeff!
Locker's always looking for dates. . . and when he get's one,
HE BAILS!!!!!!!
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Nov 13, 2012 - 05:38pm PT
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Jeff
Well done and thank you for your generosity.
I've benefited from all three organizations, actually, all Yosemite climbers have.
Looking forward to running into you over a glass of wine or three. Hopefully soon. Sorry you weren't at Facelift.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 13, 2012 - 05:44pm PT
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Me? Kludge? I have no money, you know that. It was just three months or so ago I loaned you my last $30. I knew you were good for it. I think you paid me back within an hour!
Survival, what exactly do you want him to say about the election? It didn't go the way he wanted. Ask him on Facebook yourself, Jeff Elfont
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Fish Finder
Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
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Nov 13, 2012 - 05:53pm PT
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Its hard to believe there are doubters.
Jeff is quite the philanthropist .
He has been supporting some of these causes for some time.
His heart is always in the right place even though he may find his foot in his mouth sometime.
Im not much for politics or anything for that matter so I dont miss him here but I did at facelift (he is always very generous there with wine and such) and witty and funny.
Here's a toast to the generous fatty!!
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Nov 13, 2012 - 06:26pm PT
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The only thing Locker is doing is bumping a thread to create more room to thank Fatty more.
Who cares whether he would have donated anyway. It probably would have been less than $5100.
If you want to diss Fatty, there's plenty of other places where he's more vulnerable
But why not have the credibility to laud good behavior and following through when it's deserved. He could have let the whole thing slide with ease and got even less grief than he's getting for honoring his word
Peace
karl
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Nov 13, 2012 - 06:51pm PT
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Jeff,
Nice job...
I knew you would cough -up the money...
Hope you are well..
Cheers
nita..
.......................
Maybe I'm being a dickwad here... .....Yep,...as usual...
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 13, 2012 - 06:55pm PT
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Hiya, Rox!
I wonder why fattrad hasn't resorted to the rotational avatar strategy that Rox uses so effectively...
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Nov 13, 2012 - 06:59pm PT
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From now on, it must be The Kind Fatty.
Very nice Jeff, kudos.
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jstan
climber
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Nov 13, 2012 - 07:00pm PT
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I wonder why fattrad hasn't resorted to the rotational avatar strategy that Rox uses so effectively...
Has to be because he will accept only full reinstatement.
Quite odd. Consider:
Face to face Jeff treats everyone very graciously. He certainly treats his clients graciously. He enjoys being around us at Facelift. So we know he thinks we have at least some merit.
He's not some fool thinking you can treat other people differently on the internet.
He surely does not think his approach sells anything.
Curious.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Nov 14, 2012 - 12:04am PT
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Dollars in damages caused by arguments online involving fattrad: $0.00
Dollars donated by fattrad to help the community: $5100.00
Say what you want about fatty, he's only said words. Symbols on a screen expressed with 0's and 1's that we interpret in whatever way we see fit.
No, there is no need for him to exonerate himself - he hasn't done anything wrong. Talking sh#t online should be taken with a grain of salt - buyer beware.
Good on you, Jeff. Most of us here already knew you were a good dood, regardless of how much money you donated.
politically retarded, but a good dude :) jk...
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Nov 14, 2012 - 12:05am PT
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It wouldn't take me 10 minutes to set up a charitable fund for a million dollars (in my name) going to the taco. BFD.
Cool!
... can you do it? Please?
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Nov 14, 2012 - 12:17am PT
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*shrug*
Better than being an as#@&%e.
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 14, 2012 - 10:06am PT
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Right on, Fatty.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Nov 14, 2012 - 11:23am PT
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Awesome. When men can keep their word the can continue being men.
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phylp
Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
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Nov 14, 2012 - 12:16pm PT
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These are very generous contributions to three very worthy organizations.
A tip of the climbing helmet for your generosity, Fattrad. Best wishes, Phyl
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 14, 2012 - 12:30pm PT
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I really have no power to do anything with "Friends Of YOSAR".
It was only my personal opinion if I did have such power ......
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Nov 14, 2012 - 12:31pm PT
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I want to give "Friends Of YOSAR" donation back to Fattrad.
It's got too much of Norton's sh!t all over it .......
You make that sound like it's blood money from drug dealers or something.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 14, 2012 - 04:21pm PT
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Um ya know... There was another bet like this I was talked into. ... I was gonna let it go, but still need to get a used G4 and I do get paypal....
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Nov 14, 2012 - 04:39pm PT
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I must be the most pathetic person in the world, because I do not fully understand the vile on this thread. It is as bad as on some other threads. Sure I know the background of certain issues, but...
Am I being judgmental? Does a bear sh#t in the woods? Is the Pope Catholic?
Goddamn right. I f Fatty gave, fair play to him, if he didn't then it will be sussed out. Knowing jeff the short while I have met him, I believe, but some people have their knickers in a twist over Jeff.
Or perhaps those undies are twisted around their eyes and brains.
I don't know.
Some of the BS on this forum makes me want to make pancakes instead.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Nov 14, 2012 - 05:08pm PT
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Bring Fatty Kovar and Rox back
+1
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Nov 14, 2012 - 05:43pm PT
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Bring Fatty Kovar and Rox back
Why don't we "bring back" those who contributed, but gradually lost interest and quietly slipped away - because of the behaviour of people like RokJox?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Nov 14, 2012 - 06:54pm PT
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Nov 14, 2012 - 06:59pm PT
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Cheers, DMT.
Credit goes to Mighty Hiker for that magnificent quote. ;-)
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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Nov 14, 2012 - 10:17pm PT
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fattrad kicks ass! this will pay off down the road and on the rock Jeff!! i'm sending you good vibes and a virtual hug.
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john hansen
climber
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Nov 14, 2012 - 11:49pm PT
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I have always been a fan of Yosemite climbing history
In 2006 after our first pretty good year, I contributed $2000 dollars to Kens YCA.
My brother and I were in Yosemite and we got to meet Ken and check out some of the many relics, Salathe's rope and his meger rack of pins. Old biners and spools of rope from the nose FA. A Harding Bat Tent, it kinda smelled, and I actually got to hold one of the stoveleg pitons.
Since then I have contributed what I can. The company I am partners in has made some contributions to the YCA too.
Why give it to the goverment when you can give it to the orginazation of your choice?
I voted for Obama, but like Nature and most every one else,, I have no doubt that Jeff's contributions are real.
Aloha
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Nov 15, 2012 - 12:12am PT
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I'm not taking sides here, probably would make little or no difference, but, I do have this to say ...
Not saying that anyone necessarily does or doesn't deserve forgiveness, because that is besides the matter. But it is obvious there are some bitter feelings being held for whatever reason[s]. And, forgiveness is a very powerful thing, because it has healing powers. It heals not only the one being offered forgiveness, it also heals the one offering forgiveness. Something worth considering anyway!
edit: "heals" - transforms/changes a person for the better.
Studly - "I would rope up with Locker to, but ... Ive seen that blue buttplug pop up in to many places..." -- LOL!!
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Nov 15, 2012 - 12:21am PT
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I have to say I did not agree with Fatrads politcal bias, extremism and his "evil" moniker. However, I didn't think he should have been banned as he just seemed to like to stir up conflict, and in all other aspects seemed like a good guy. Following thru on his bet just goes to show he is a Man of his word. My hat is off to you Fatrad. I would rope up with you anytime. I'd rope up with Locker to, but I would tape a board over my ass. Ive seen that blue buttplug pop up in to many places...
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bergbryce
Mountain climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Nov 15, 2012 - 12:44am PT
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I appreciate fatty's donations that will positively influence many climbers for years to come.
This will make me unpopular, but I can't simply sweep under the rug the gigabytes of negative energy he purposefully posted here because of this financial contribution. I'm not that cheap.
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JOEY.F
Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
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Nov 15, 2012 - 02:02am PT
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Fattrad is very generous, and would not go back on his word for a donation.
Re: his politics, include me out.
But he's fair on social issues.
Any way, thanks for the contributions, Fatty.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Nov 15, 2012 - 06:43pm PT
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This year...
I have lost my closest brother, Mac, one of the world's finest winemakers by peer recognition, one of my favorite cousins (professor emerita LA State) just lost her husband, an excellent man, and I just lost a favorite cousin today to cancer.
And some of you are bitchin' about Jeff Elfont, a man who never knew me outside of the Taco Stand (until we met), but yet offered to help me. Yeah, his banter and bullshit and his politics were not to my liking, but maybe Fattrad has a heart that some of you do not see.
And I would just as soon as see on the Taco Stand posts from Jeff, LEB, Norton, Wes, etc etc than effing butt plugs, misogynist photos, and militaristic crap that some people post.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Nov 15, 2012 - 09:39pm PT
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What happened to DMT's "Kill 'em all" comment?
Thought it was the highlight of this thread, and I pictured such a frown on his face as he typed it.
Oh well, that one's for the history books I 'spose....
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Nov 15, 2012 - 09:56pm PT
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I tip my hat to you Jeff.
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