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Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 13, 2012 - 01:11pm PT
I just received this email;

Hi Jay,

Hopefully you are out climbing and having fun!!! Where?????

Please post this to ST exactly as written:

Elfont Charitable Fund
Tax ID Number: 680419449
Organization Name: AMERICAN SAFE CLIMBING ASSOCIATION
Mailing Address: PO BOX 1814
BISHOP, CA 93515

Contact Name: Greg Barnes
Phone Number:
Charitable Sector: Other
Grant Acknowledgment: Disclose Name and Address
Jeff Elfont
1440 Maria Ln.
Number 210
Walnut Creek, CA 94596-
Special Purpose: Designation: Where it's needed most
Grant Amount:
$1,700.00


Giving Account Name: Elfont Charitable Fund
Tax ID Number: 320030010
Organization Name: YOSEMITE CLIMBING ASSOCIATION
Mailing Address: PO BOX 89
YOSEMITE NTPK, CA 95389

Contact Name:
Phone Number:
Charitable Sector: Other
Grant Acknowledgment: Disclose Name and Address
Jeff Elfont
1440 Maria Ln.
Number 210
Walnut Creek, CA 94596-
Special Purpose: Designation: Where it's needed most
Grant Amount:
$1,700.00


Elfont Charitable Fund
Tax ID Number: 542081466
Organization Name: FRIENDS OF YOSAR INC
Mailing Address: PO BOX 611
YOSEMITE, CA 95389

Contact Name:
Phone Number:
Charitable Sector: Other
Grant Acknowledgment: Disclose Name and Address
Jeff Elfont
1440 Maria Ln.
Number 210
Walnut Creek, CA 94596-
Special Purpose: Designation: Where it's needed most
Grant Amount:
$1,700.00



Norton is a nameless troll, a weak individual.
locker

Social climber
Nov 13, 2012 - 01:12pm PT
Yippy!!!...


Dude deserves a case of DONUTS!!!...



Of course without dates and such...

for all ANYONE here besides Fattrad knows...

He could have donated that money before the bet...



Hopefully that isn't the case...

Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Nov 13, 2012 - 01:15pm PT
Kudos to his Fatness

Just shows the 1% can save a lot of money living in his mom's basement ;-)

Somehow I knew this thread would be about Fatty.

Peace

Karl
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Nov 13, 2012 - 01:19pm PT
It was his call, but I wish he would have blacked out his TAX ID numbers and address (but perhaps it's his office).

Funds to good use....



Susan
ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven
Nov 13, 2012 - 01:19pm PT
I stand corrected. He honored his commitment.
locker

Social climber
Nov 13, 2012 - 01:23pm PT
Maybe I'm being a dickwad here...

But I don't for sure believe 100% that he has in fact made NEW contributions...

I know that he donates (or so people say he does)...

but unless I can see dates as PROOF that these are NEW, with all of his LYING and such, well,...


Shoot me for having DOUBT!!!...

Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Nov 13, 2012 - 01:25pm PT
Thanks to Fatrad!

(I kinda, sorta, miss him.)
eKat

Trad climber
BackInTheDitch BackInTheDirt BackInTheDay
Nov 13, 2012 - 01:26pm PT

But he should still stay off this site. Can't buy me love.

Interesting. . . a friend and I were just discussing the dismay attached to people who bring nothing to the table that money can't buy.

No joy.

No sweetness.

No laughter.

No love.

Just something they bought and paid for; believing, wholeheartedly, that that's enough.

Dismay.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Nov 13, 2012 - 01:26pm PT
hey there say, jaybro and all...

i don't know all the 'what happens' as the 'don't get along'ers'
here... i just always hope and pray that folks sort it out
and keep our quilt sewed, to be a to its best potential for
all the climbers here...

you all really belong together...

well i just said that to say this:
i may not know what this is about, but i do know this, as
i come from a big family and have four kids, and now see the
grandkids and step-ones:

we are ALL different... and we all belong, for various reasons
on this ol' earth...

we all have heartfelt jobs that we do...
and outreaches and even 'in-reaches'--meaning our homes,
or as 'care-givers'..

some even, as i once was, don't do much (though i get to, now)
we just shine, instead, and bloom where we are planted...


thus, knowing that we are all differnt...
here's a hope and prayer for new buffering and
smoothing of the rough edges here, so folks
will overlap better and join better in either
conversations, debates, or presenting differences...

say--we may even find that we are all a bit the SAME as well,
in areas NOT yet seen, then...


god bless to all this day...
and may we all find our ways to give, even when we can't give funds:
we can sure give love or encouragement, or--

perhaps just a friendly HANDSHAKE when we come to find a differance
that we can't handle too well...

at least it makes for a new clear field, for the
next day, :)
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 13, 2012 - 01:28pm PT
fattrad, if you really made those contributions, I'm quite impressed. Hope you are well, too.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Nov 13, 2012 - 01:32pm PT
hey there say, ekat...

as to your post, just above...
Interesting. . . a friend and I were just discussing the dismay attached to people who bring nothing to the table that money can't buy.

No joy.

No sweetness.

No laughter.

No love.

Just something they bought and paid for; believing, wholeheartedly, that that's enough

(left the last part out, think it was, 'dismay')


WELL:
wow, i have seen that, as well:

folks that spoil kids with gifts, but never give them real time, or
the deeper love of: i am giving you time to share part of me, AND to get to know-and-relate you--that is a part that family members will never forget... (had to edit a bit, in there, that i left out)..

all the storebought stuff, to buy love that way, just amounts to a pile
of 'junk' later, when the kids turn into teenagers, and, are spoiled, and yet confused inside when they no longer get pacified... and--rightly then, as, no one knows or understand them (or what went wrong)... all everyone cares about then is: everyone is bothered and 'inconvinienced'...

right now, i am praying for some folks related to us, over that, :(

love means, giving of yourself, with the care to give what is most precious:

TIME...

saidly it is misused and horded these days, :(




*just a commercial, folks--i know i took it a bit off track,
but as to ekat's important note, but i've seen the 'principle in action' and how it's hurt families, so--it set me into:

mommy mode...


nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Nov 13, 2012 - 01:35pm PT
I'm not surprised. well done fatty.
gf

climber
Nov 13, 2012 - 01:43pm PT
Nice one fats -yeah norton may well be a faceless troll, but you lower yourself by playing to that game including your kick in the jimmy at the bottom of a fine piece of documentation detailing how you kept your word
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Nov 13, 2012 - 01:46pm PT
Give fatty a break. The contributions add up to $5100. I'm sure he ponied up
10b4me

Boulder climber
member since 2002
Nov 13, 2012 - 01:46pm PT
thanks Jeff.
locker

Social climber
Nov 13, 2012 - 02:01pm PT


"I'm sure he ponied up"...

Blind trust is just that...

briham89

Big Wall climber
san jose, ca
Nov 13, 2012 - 02:01pm PT
Nice. All to good causes
eKat

Trad climber
BackInTheDitch BackInTheDirt BackInTheDay
Nov 13, 2012 - 02:03pm PT
My comment was a reply to DMT's post. . . which is now gone. So. . .just to set the record straight, I wasn't directing that comment to Fatty, per se. . . just elaborating on "Can't buy me love."

eK@
eKat

Trad climber
BackInTheDitch BackInTheDirt BackInTheDay
Nov 13, 2012 - 02:07pm PT
oxoxoxo DMT!
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Nov 13, 2012 - 02:08pm PT
hey there say, ekat... thanks for sharing... yeah, i did not think you had, but on the net, it is good to tie things up, so everyone can know what we were getting at--in person, it is so easy to see and know...

yep--it just reminded me of a sad situation that i am now seeing in a family, and have seen FAR too often...

so i took it as a good point to share an extra
side note:


hope i did not confuse things here...
*hence--why i added it as a commercial, :)


i love how folks share, whether in general, or in funds, or in simply a hug:

it's just that nowadays, parents are too busy to understand these
real shares, while--many in the world, without kids, SEEM to understand...

i think it is due to many hardships that we see along our trails...
being 'out of the box' and into world, we SEE more than our self...

:)
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 13, 2012 - 02:24pm PT
Actions speak louder than words.

Well done

graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Nov 13, 2012 - 02:27pm PT
He could have donated that money before the bet...

Hopefully that isn't the case...

Then how is it that the amounts and recipients match what Jaybro first requested on November 8? He even threw in another $100.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1977671&msg=1980677#msg1980677
locker

Social climber
Nov 13, 2012 - 02:29pm PT

"Then how is it that the amounts and recipients match what was only requested a couple of days ago? He even threw in another $100."...



They DON'T match...

Even your post above proves that...





Bet = $5000.00

Amount posted = $5100.00




Apparently unlike others, I am not one to QUICKLY forget how much MANIPULATING that dude attempted...

Just NOT someone I will EVER quickly believe...

At least not without absolute PROOF...



But again, this is JUST my opinion and it holds ZERO weight...

So don't anyone get their panties in a fuking bunch please!!!...

;-)

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Nov 13, 2012 - 02:31pm PT
Let the fat man carry his own water.



DMT

jstan

climber
Nov 13, 2012 - 02:33pm PT
I am sure it took a thousand years for the first homo sapiens to learn how best to communicate face to face.

Do you suppose it will also take us a thousand years to figure out how to use the internet?
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Nov 13, 2012 - 02:35pm PT
Well stated, John!

More importantly to me, well done, Jeff!

John
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Nov 13, 2012 - 02:35pm PT
They DON'T match...

Even your post above proves that...


Bet = $5000.00

Amount posted = $5100.00

Locker they are for the same recipients and for the same amounts, only with the contribution rounded up to the nearest hundred.

If he'd made only the minimum contribution called for by his bet, he would have given $1,666.67 to each. Instead he gave $1,700 to each.

All that proves is that he is generous.
locker

Social climber
Nov 13, 2012 - 02:37pm PT

Granite...

Don't get me wrong...

I HOPE he has in FACT made those contributions and has fullfilled his BET...

But again, I am NOT one to QUICKLY forgive and forget...

LOST TRUST is VERY HARD to regain...

climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 13, 2012 - 02:39pm PT
Thing about fatty is he seemed infected with internet Troll syndrome and had too much time on his hands.

Every time I heard of someone meeting him in person.. at face lift or whatever they had good things to say about him.

SO perhaps it's best for him and us if he stays off the net but I'd like to meet him sometime for sure.

Anycase damn solid to give in a way that has a real chance of changing/saving lives. Good causes there.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Nov 13, 2012 - 02:40pm PT
Considering that Greg Barnes and Chris Mac (ASCA) and Werner (YOSAR) view these pages frequently, a falsification of this information would be pretty stupid, and very quickly revealed.

Fortunately for me I have not needed the services of YOSAR, but I have benefited from ASCA (and also done replacement work using materials provided by them) so I'll say Thanks, Jeff!
Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Nov 13, 2012 - 02:40pm PT
Kudos to fattrad.
locker

Social climber
Nov 13, 2012 - 02:42pm PT


"Considering that Greg Barnes and Chris Mac (ASCA) and Werner (YOSAR) view these pages frequently, a falsification of this information would be pretty stupid, and very quickly revealed."...

I personally would still like to see DATES attached to those donations...

;-)

Roger Brown

climber
Oceano, California
Nov 13, 2012 - 02:45pm PT
Thanks Jeff,
The replacement is the easy part. The money for the hardware is the hard part. It's people like you that make it all come together.
Roger Brown
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Nov 13, 2012 - 02:53pm PT
Good Job fattrad....

i thought he would have given all $5k to the Ryan Assault on the 14ers of colorado....
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Nov 13, 2012 - 02:56pm PT
Locker is always looking for dates...
locker

Social climber
Nov 13, 2012 - 02:58pm PT

"Locker is always looking for dates..."...

Well, NO SH!T!!!...

You see that as a BAD thing???...




;-)

Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Nov 13, 2012 - 03:05pm PT
One can always ask and be with certainty that this type of request is reasonable. By IRS rules a charitable fundraising group can expense out 90% of it's donations leaving only 10% for the nominal purpose. Where can the 90% go? Administrative salaries. Get it?

And your point is?

I ran a "not for profit" 501.c3 in NY back in the 80s. It was a chamber music group. Most of our donated and earned income went to salaries, our salaries (the musicians.) Our purpose was to perform music. We paid ourselves to do so.

I do know 1st hand that asca is a very lean running organization.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Nov 13, 2012 - 03:29pm PT
Bravo, PhatTrad! And I pee on the critics from a great height.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 13, 2012 - 03:35pm PT
I am sooo looking forward to living in a place where everyone is perfect
and boring. Until then I am happy to be here with people like Jeff.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 13, 2012 - 04:13pm PT
Jaybro, get an email from Fatty about the election results.

That's what I want to see.
Prod

Trad climber
Nov 13, 2012 - 04:23pm PT
I honestly never doubted that he would stand by his word.

Prod.
locker

Social climber
Nov 13, 2012 - 04:27pm PT


He was probably going to donate the exact amount regardless...


TAX WRITE OFF...



I just DON'T buy into his sh!t at all...



Prod

Trad climber
Nov 13, 2012 - 04:34pm PT
He was probably going to donate the exact amount regardless...


TAX WRITE OFF...



I just DON'T buy into his sh!t at all...

Sure he gets the tax write off, so what! All a tax write off does is lower his taxable income by 5K, it still costs him +/-$3500 out of pocket. More than I gave this year....

Prod.
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Nov 13, 2012 - 04:35pm PT

Nice job Jeff!

Locker's always looking for dates. . . and when he get's one,

HE BAILS!!!!!!!
locker

Social climber
Nov 13, 2012 - 04:38pm PT
First and ONLY post from Rotflmroxo above...

So you HAD to make your new handle so you could HIDE and post that stuff above???...

Wow!!!...



EDITED:

"STFU Locker. You are embarrassing yourself"...

I am not in the slightest bit embarrassed...

But you must be about something since you hide behind a new screen name...

THAT would be embarrassing to me...

HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Nov 13, 2012 - 05:38pm PT
Jeff
Well done and thank you for your generosity.
I've benefited from all three organizations, actually, all Yosemite climbers have.
Looking forward to running into you over a glass of wine or three. Hopefully soon. Sorry you weren't at Facelift.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 13, 2012 - 05:44pm PT
Me? Kludge? I have no money, you know that. It was just three months or so ago I loaned you my last $30. I knew you were good for it. I think you paid me back within an hour!

Survival, what exactly do you want him to say about the election? It didn't go the way he wanted. Ask him on Facebook yourself, Jeff Elfont
eKat

Trad climber
BackInTheDitch BackInTheDirt BackInTheDay
Nov 13, 2012 - 05:45pm PT
Three

Two

One

locker

Social climber
Nov 13, 2012 - 05:49pm PT


"You can do better. Time to pull out the bullshit Photoshops (...whatever...)"...

If you'd be kind enough to send me a photo of yourself...

be happy to fix you right up!!!...

;-)




I think it's GREAT that Jeff donates...

NOT sh!tting on him at all for that...

Just don't 100% believe that this donation really is due to the bet...

That's all I'm saying...

;-)
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Nov 13, 2012 - 05:53pm PT
Its hard to believe there are doubters.

Jeff is quite the philanthropist .

He has been supporting some of these causes for some time.

His heart is always in the right place even though he may find his foot in his mouth sometime.

Im not much for politics or anything for that matter so I dont miss him here but I did at facelift (he is always very generous there with wine and such) and witty and funny.

Here's a toast to the generous fatty!!
Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO
Nov 13, 2012 - 06:19pm PT
I wasn't a fan of Fatty but I thought it was wierd to see him go like that. I don't read or get caught up AT ALL in the political/religious threads but it must get really heated and dumb in those threads to get booted from the taco like that. Regardless, nice work Fattrad, like Prod- I figured you would the whole time..
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Nov 13, 2012 - 06:26pm PT
The only thing Locker is doing is bumping a thread to create more room to thank Fatty more.

Who cares whether he would have donated anyway. It probably would have been less than $5100.

If you want to diss Fatty, there's plenty of other places where he's more vulnerable

But why not have the credibility to laud good behavior and following through when it's deserved. He could have let the whole thing slide with ease and got even less grief than he's getting for honoring his word

Peace

karl
Timid TopRope

Social climber
'used to be Paradise, CA
Nov 13, 2012 - 06:47pm PT
Thanks fatrad. I also never doubted. Jeff is one of those Dr Heckle and Mr Jive characters: likes to get everyone riled up on the internet and then fun and gracious in the flesh. At least he has the balls to not hide behind his avatar and puts his money where his mouth is.

I wonder if norton will apologize for making his butt hurt thread calling him out?
Seems unlikely.

Andy Tomaselli
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Nov 13, 2012 - 06:51pm PT
Jeff,

Nice job...
I knew you would cough -up the money...
Hope you are well..

Cheers
nita..

.......................







Maybe I'm being a dickwad here...
.....Yep,...as usual...
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 13, 2012 - 06:55pm PT
Hiya, Rox!

I wonder why fattrad hasn't resorted to the rotational avatar strategy that Rox uses so effectively...
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 13, 2012 - 06:59pm PT
From now on, it must be The Kind Fatty.


Very nice Jeff, kudos.
jstan

climber
Nov 13, 2012 - 07:00pm PT
I wonder why fattrad hasn't resorted to the rotational avatar strategy that Rox uses so effectively...

Has to be because he will accept only full reinstatement.

Quite odd. Consider:

Face to face Jeff treats everyone very graciously. He certainly treats his clients graciously. He enjoys being around us at Facelift. So we know he thinks we have at least some merit.

He's not some fool thinking you can treat other people differently on the internet.

He surely does not think his approach sells anything.

Curious.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Nov 14, 2012 - 12:04am PT
Dollars in damages caused by arguments online involving fattrad: $0.00
Dollars donated by fattrad to help the community: $5100.00



Say what you want about fatty, he's only said words. Symbols on a screen expressed with 0's and 1's that we interpret in whatever way we see fit.


No, there is no need for him to exonerate himself - he hasn't done anything wrong. Talking sh#t online should be taken with a grain of salt - buyer beware.


Good on you, Jeff. Most of us here already knew you were a good dood, regardless of how much money you donated.










politically retarded, but a good dude :) jk...
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Nov 14, 2012 - 12:05am PT
It wouldn't take me 10 minutes to set up a charitable fund for a million dollars (in my name) going to the taco. BFD.



Cool!




... can you do it? Please?
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Nov 14, 2012 - 12:07am PT
I wonder why fattrad hasn't resorted to the rotational avatar strategy that Rox uses so effectively...

a) maybe because he doesn't give a sh#t.
b) maybe because he has resorted to the strategy.

He was probably going to donate the exact amount regardless...


TAX WRITE OFF...



I just DON'T buy into his sh!t at all...

He probably was.

That makes him someone who donates $5000 to climbing nonprofits as a standard practice, yes?

He probably donates at least that much to climbing nonprofits every year.

And that's pretty cool.
locker

Social climber
Nov 14, 2012 - 12:11am PT


"That makes him someone who donates $5000 to climbing nonprofits as a standard practice, yes?

He probably donates at least that much to climbing nonprofits every year.

And that's pretty cool."
...



TOTALLY agree with that...

;-)

GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Nov 14, 2012 - 12:17am PT
*shrug*


Better than being an as#@&%e.
dirtbag

climber
Nov 14, 2012 - 10:06am PT
Right on, Fatty.
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Nov 14, 2012 - 11:23am PT
Awesome. When men can keep their word the can continue being men.
Silver

Ice climber
Nov 14, 2012 - 12:10pm PT
Fatty your integrity is in tact your word is good and you are more generous than most here by a long shot.

Bring Fatty Kovar and Rox back.
phylp

Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
Nov 14, 2012 - 12:16pm PT
These are very generous contributions to three very worthy organizations.

A tip of the climbing helmet for your generosity, Fattrad. Best wishes, Phyl
WBraun

climber
Nov 14, 2012 - 12:20pm PT
I want to give "Friends Of YOSAR" donation back to Fattrad.

It's got too much of Norton's sh!t all over it .......
Silver

Ice climber
Nov 14, 2012 - 12:25pm PT
Werner you smell that as well huh?

How about friends of YOSAR gives that money to Charlie's family to help with their costs?

WBraun

climber
Nov 14, 2012 - 12:30pm PT
I really have no power to do anything with "Friends Of YOSAR".

It was only my personal opinion if I did have such power ......
rectorsquid

climber
Lake Tahoe
Nov 14, 2012 - 12:31pm PT
I want to give "Friends Of YOSAR" donation back to Fattrad.

It's got too much of Norton's sh!t all over it .......

You make that sound like it's blood money from drug dealers or something.
Silver

Ice climber
Nov 14, 2012 - 01:40pm PT
I know Werner but I'm dreaming today of a better moment for Charlie and his family.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 14, 2012 - 04:21pm PT
Um ya know... There was another bet like this I was talked into. ... I was gonna let it go, but still need to get a used G4 and I do get paypal....
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Nov 14, 2012 - 04:39pm PT
I must be the most pathetic person in the world, because I do not fully understand the vile on this thread. It is as bad as on some other threads. Sure I know the background of certain issues, but...

Am I being judgmental? Does a bear sh#t in the woods? Is the Pope Catholic?

Goddamn right. I f Fatty gave, fair play to him, if he didn't then it will be sussed out. Knowing jeff the short while I have met him, I believe, but some people have their knickers in a twist over Jeff.

Or perhaps those undies are twisted around their eyes and brains.

I don't know.

Some of the BS on this forum makes me want to make pancakes instead.
stich

Trad climber
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Nov 14, 2012 - 04:54pm PT
"No, there is no need for him to exonerate himself - he hasn't done anything wrong. Talking sh#t online should be taken with a grain of salt - buyer beware."

I agree completely, gdavis. Though I never found Jeff entertaining, I don't think he deserved to be banned.
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Nov 14, 2012 - 05:08pm PT
Bring Fatty Kovar and Rox back

+1
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Nov 14, 2012 - 05:43pm PT
Bring Fatty Kovar and Rox back

Why don't we "bring back" those who contributed, but gradually lost interest and quietly slipped away - because of the behaviour of people like RokJox?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Nov 14, 2012 - 06:13pm PT
I've come round to your way of thinking hardman, on this and plenty of other things too. Just wanted to acknowledge that, and say

Cheers
DMT
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 14, 2012 - 06:54pm PT
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Nov 14, 2012 - 06:59pm PT
Cheers, DMT.

Credit goes to Mighty Hiker for that magnificent quote. ;-)
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Nov 14, 2012 - 10:17pm PT
fattrad kicks ass! this will pay off down the road and on the rock Jeff!! i'm sending you good vibes and a virtual hug.
john hansen

climber
Nov 14, 2012 - 11:49pm PT
I have always been a fan of Yosemite climbing history

In 2006 after our first pretty good year, I contributed $2000 dollars to Kens YCA.
My brother and I were in Yosemite and we got to meet Ken and check out some of the many relics, Salathe's rope and his meger rack of pins. Old biners and spools of rope from the nose FA. A Harding Bat Tent, it kinda smelled, and I actually got to hold one of the stoveleg pitons.

Since then I have contributed what I can. The company I am partners in has made some contributions to the YCA too.

Why give it to the goverment when you can give it to the orginazation of your choice?

I voted for Obama, but like Nature and most every one else,, I have no doubt that Jeff's contributions are real.




Aloha


splitter

Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Nov 15, 2012 - 12:12am PT
I'm not taking sides here, probably would make little or no difference, but, I do have this to say ...

Not saying that anyone necessarily does or doesn't deserve forgiveness, because that is besides the matter. But it is obvious there are some bitter feelings being held for whatever reason[s]. And, forgiveness is a very powerful thing, because it has healing powers. It heals not only the one being offered forgiveness, it also heals the one offering forgiveness. Something worth considering anyway!

edit: "heals" - transforms/changes a person for the better.

Studly - "I would rope up with Locker to, but ... Ive seen that blue buttplug pop up in to many places..." -- LOL!!
Studly

Trad climber
WA
Nov 15, 2012 - 12:21am PT
I have to say I did not agree with Fatrads politcal bias, extremism and his "evil" moniker. However, I didn't think he should have been banned as he just seemed to like to stir up conflict, and in all other aspects seemed like a good guy. Following thru on his bet just goes to show he is a Man of his word. My hat is off to you Fatrad. I would rope up with you anytime. I'd rope up with Locker to, but I would tape a board over my ass. Ive seen that blue buttplug pop up in to many places...
bergbryce

Mountain climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Nov 15, 2012 - 12:44am PT
I appreciate fatty's donations that will positively influence many climbers for years to come.

This will make me unpopular, but I can't simply sweep under the rug the gigabytes of negative energy he purposefully posted here because of this financial contribution. I'm not that cheap.
JOEY.F

Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
Nov 15, 2012 - 02:02am PT
Fattrad is very generous, and would not go back on his word for a donation.
Re: his politics, include me out.
But he's fair on social issues.
Any way, thanks for the contributions, Fatty.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Nov 15, 2012 - 06:43pm PT
This year...

I have lost my closest brother, Mac, one of the world's finest winemakers by peer recognition, one of my favorite cousins (professor emerita LA State) just lost her husband, an excellent man, and I just lost a favorite cousin today to cancer.

And some of you are bitchin' about Jeff Elfont, a man who never knew me outside of the Taco Stand (until we met), but yet offered to help me. Yeah, his banter and bullshit and his politics were not to my liking, but maybe Fattrad has a heart that some of you do not see.

And I would just as soon as see on the Taco Stand posts from Jeff, LEB, Norton, Wes, etc etc than effing butt plugs, misogynist photos, and militaristic crap that some people post.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Nov 15, 2012 - 09:39pm PT
What happened to DMT's "Kill 'em all" comment?


Thought it was the highlight of this thread, and I pictured such a frown on his face as he typed it.


Oh well, that one's for the history books I 'spose....
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Nov 15, 2012 - 09:56pm PT
I tip my hat to you Jeff.
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