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Myles Moser

climber
Lone Pine, Ca
Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 6, 2012 - 12:40pm PT
I have a topo I drew for Keeler Needle on Paint, hopefully so you guys could get a copy... But when I upload it to Images it turns to a blurry craptastic master piece.


Any suggestions?
Myles Moser

climber
Lone Pine, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 6, 2012 - 12:42pm PT
For example

Blood of the Monkey VI, 5.12 16 pitches- Keeler Needle
Blood of the Monkey VI, 5.12 16 pitches- Keeler Needle
Credit: Myles Moser


Myles Moser

climber
Lone Pine, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 6, 2012 - 12:43pm PT
Does it look clear or Blurry?
I have a very small computer Screen.
j-tree

Big Wall climber
Classroom to crag to summer camp
Nov 6, 2012 - 01:18pm PT
Might be better off posting the topo to a different image server (like imgur or picasaweb) that will store it a full resolution and then link to that image server in the supertopo post. Then people can access the full sized image instead of the shrunk version on ST.
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Nov 6, 2012 - 01:24pm PT
I can read it, but the test is how it prints out. If I were going to use it, I would print it and then take it to the place in town where they make fake IDs, and have it plastic-coated, then punch a hole in it so it can be clipped in.

I found that gif images print much clearer than jpgs for diagrams like these. jpgs are for photos, gifs are for drawings, logos, cartoons, etc. But, you may lose the quality going to gif format. Its worth a try.

This is a map of a cave, about 2 inches by 3 inches, and the diagram is tiny but still readable:

https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=124007610949516&set=a.100342166649394.701.100000208325012&type=3&theater
10b4me

Boulder climber
member since 2002
Nov 6, 2012 - 01:40pm PT
it looks fine.
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Nov 6, 2012 - 02:59pm PT
Like the other folks said, host it on a different image site. Supertopo converts it to JPG which makes it fuzzy. Or email it to me and I'll host it on my site and link it direct here. (I'll convert to PDF or GIF)
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Nov 6, 2012 - 03:32pm PT

Jpeg is fine on the screen, but link it out to a PDF to be able to use it in printed form. Even GIF is better than jpg, but the image will need to be quite large.

Edit: Just looked at it close in another program. Even for an onscreen looksee that image should be double that size if you want people to be able to see all the info.
Mr_T

Trad climber
Northern California
Nov 6, 2012 - 05:04pm PT
Save As PNG

jpeg has a lossy compression. PNG does not. No need for PDF.
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Nov 6, 2012 - 05:22pm PT
PNG is a bitmap where a PDF is vector based and will give better results for printing out lines and topo type stuff according to the experts.

Miles, send that file over to someone to test out the best way to get a good screen image and sharp scalable printout. I'll do it if you want. Email me.
Myles Moser

climber
Lone Pine, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 6, 2012 - 05:29pm PT
This makes it real big!

Thanks Clint.


http://i.imgur.com/aYlo5.jpg

Thanks for the help don't know if can be printed.

Russ I'll send it your Way.

Edit: Russ I didn't understand a thing of what you said but here you go
QITNL

climber
Nov 6, 2012 - 05:33pm PT
+1 for Clint's suggestion. His site is a great resource
http://www.stanford.edu/~clint/
as i'm sure most everyone knows.
(no clicky, you gotta copy & paste that url)
PS - looks good!
Myles Moser

climber
Lone Pine, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 6, 2012 - 05:37pm PT
Thanks QITNL
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Nov 6, 2012 - 05:42pm PT
Clint probably has the best solution, but when I clicked on the topo, my screen enlarged it to readable size, and it printed out adequately.

John
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Nov 6, 2012 - 05:42pm PT
just got an email and a real expert is already on the case! I'll keep you posted.
Myles Moser

climber
Lone Pine, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 6, 2012 - 06:00pm PT
Day Needle- BCB on the Prow VI 5.10A2.    Keeler Needle- Blood of the ...
Day Needle- BCB on the Prow VI 5.10A2. Keeler Needle- Blood of the Monkey VI 5.12
Credit: Myles Moser
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Nov 9, 2012 - 01:56pm PT
Hey Myles...

Never got your email, but he topo is ready via the SteelMonkey and is looking good. He says he can make any changes etc real easy like.

Send over you email addy and I'll forward the files for you to check out.
Russ
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Nov 9, 2012 - 04:17pm PT
I bet SteelMonkey has a really nice version of this - he's the best I know at it.
Here are the original versions in PDF and GIF:
http://www.stanford.edu/%7Eclint/sierras
Because the text is bitmapped by Paint, it does not scale smoothly when you zoom in. Most likely Greg's versions have this improved.
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Nov 13, 2012 - 04:06pm PT



Hey Myles,

That writing looks to neat to be yours, must be Amy's
Myles Moser

climber
Lone Pine, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 13, 2012 - 05:19pm PT
haha.... its only cursive.
The Alpine

climber
Nov 13, 2012 - 05:31pm PT
Thank you Miles!

Remember folks, screen rez is only 72 dpi, but print needs to be about 180, but better at 240 for a topo. Miles, your uploaded image was only 800x1024pixels, Clint's version is double that.
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Nov 13, 2012 - 06:16pm PT
Myles! Put down that shovel and Email me. Your topo is ready and I do not have your email address so I can send you the files.
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Nov 13, 2012 - 06:47pm PT



Russ,

you of all people should know that he only pays attention when you have a flashlight in his face.
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Nov 13, 2012 - 07:06pm PT
"Are you Chad? Are you Chad? Are you Chad? Are you Chad?"
Myles Moser

climber
Lone Pine, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 13, 2012 - 07:14pm PT
aaaahhhhhh! Just got ripped on!

It appears that fish finder, has found the Fish!

Russ- email has been trying.

Edit: Alpine how do I increase in paint?
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Nov 13, 2012 - 07:17pm PT
After all, he is the FISH Finder...!

Got a screen version and a printable version here for ya from the SteelMonkey. If you want, I can send you a link to the files instead of email. Either way, let me know.

Myles Moser

climber
Lone Pine, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 13, 2012 - 07:19pm PT
post it here if you wish to!
Thanks Russ!
portent

climber
Nov 13, 2012 - 08:20pm PT
bad ass bump
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Nov 14, 2012 - 10:50am PT
Once again 2 lost climbing souls connected

thanks to the help of Candyman's ......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0ZGNGBNIL8
Myles Moser

climber
Lone Pine, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 14, 2012 - 10:56am PT
Candy man you gotta be kidding me!!!!

Where is Billy to throw more at this?

Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Nov 14, 2012 - 04:34pm PT
SteelMonkey's beautiful version of the Blood of the Monkey topo:
http://www.stanford.edu/%7Eclint/sierra/BloodOfTheMonkey_topo.pdf

Thanks to Greg and Russ.
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Nov 14, 2012 - 04:51pm PT






Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!!
The Alpine

climber
Nov 14, 2012 - 04:57pm PT
Myles - whats 'paint'!?


Ha
Myles Moser

climber
Lone Pine, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 14, 2012 - 06:42pm PT
Wooooooooooooooooooo baby!!

How did you do that?

There is a Day Needle topo goin' around I heard... Lets do that one too!


My goodness!


Thanks Guys

Which Greg?

Thanks Russ and Clint and Greg
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Nov 14, 2012 - 07:02pm PT
SteelMonkey = Greg Opland
http://www.supertopo.com/inc/view_profile.php?dcid=MDs4Pjg5PA,,
http://www.amazon.com/Phoenix-Rock-II-Climbing-Central/dp/1575400235/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1352937965

I told you it was gonna be awesome, once Russ gave the word it was in process!

How?
Use a more advanced graphic software, such as Adobe Illustrator, which stores the image in a "vector based" format, instead of Paint which stores images as a grid of squares (bitmap). Text in a vector format is stored as the actual text, with a font size and style, and a position where the text appears, instead of as a bitmap grid at a fixed resolution. So when you zoom in on a vector graphic, the viewing software (such as PDF viewer) will redraw the text at your full screen resolution.

Of course converting the original graphic to a vector software involves some tools/work. It's not a 60-second "press one button" operation. Although some tools like "Live Trace" do a fairly quick and decent job. Greg has higher standards than that, though.
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Nov 19, 2012 - 04:36pm PT
Added the updated color/text version of Myles' topo for BCB on the Prow, Day Needle:
http://www.stanford.edu/%7Eclint/sierra

[edit:] Oops. Thanks for the spelling/usage correction.
I see Sierra translates to "saw", so the teeth are already plural.
Or would you think of each little mini-range (like Palisades) as a separate Sierra?
The Alpine

climber
Nov 19, 2012 - 08:15pm PT
Clint!







tsk, tsk....












There's only 1 'S' in Sierra.
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