The one guy that could care less about gas prices. Haha!
3.64 in Boise, But that's the Flying J, not Circle K. I don't think we have Circle K's up here.
The gas prices SUCK!
We are being hosed by the oil co.'s.
How many here remember when it was like .29 a gallon? The attendant would
pump it for you, check the oil level, tire pressure, wash your windshield,and then give you some kind of freebe bonus like green stamps, a coffee mug or some such gift to thank you for your patronage.
Boy, times have changed for the worse.
There's nothing we can do about the gas prices.. we're being held hostage again!
They have us all by our whatsies. .
The last gas rationing we had was a fluke. They had it but gouged us for all they could get by with.
So bend over ...here it comes and you don't even get a kiss.
Actually we are being hosed by Huge capitol investment firms and an under-regulated commodities market.
About 1/2 to 1/3 of the cost of gasoline today is due to inflationary investment instead of actual cost of production and the standard market factors of supply and demand.
Notice what happened when the markets crashed 4 years ago.
Oh and for Califonia/Northern Nevada there are apparently several refinery and pipeline issue producing a huge spike in price due to reduced supply and speculation.
$3.799 in Kalispell today. . . makin' a shoppin' trip to Costco ringin' up at just under $25. And. . . it's cool that the trip still pencils out.
One loaf of artisan bread up here is $4.19 - but at Costco you get 2 for that price. . . and such is the case with just about everything else.
Plus, it's a beautiful drive.
Today was kinda wild, though. . . I should have checked my international calendar before I fired (or TRIED to fire) down there. . . it's Canadian Thanksgiving weekend.
GOOD GRAVY!
Every frikken Canuk from southeastern BC and southwestern Alberta is down here.
God love the Albertans who know which pedal makes the car GO and damn the BCers who ride the brakes. . . must be all that BC Bud.
Best info I can get on France gas tax is $4.23/gallon. That is from 2010 and does not include eurozone taxes.
USA federal tax for 2010 was $.39
The cost of Gas in the USA without taxes or speculative inflation in the should be under $2.00.
Remember when the markets crashed in 2008 Gas came down to about 1.70 a gallon. Some of that (a very small part) was due to reduced demand the rest due to crashed market speculation.
We are getting ripped by wall street so many ways it's pathetic..
Makes a great train robbery look like a 5 year old pocketing a kids toy.
ohmy, you knowwwwwwwwwww, i do not even KNOW what the gas prices are here... :O
i just go to the nearest one, as they are about the same, so everyone says here...
i put in my 3-4 bucks worths, depending... however, on rare occasions i DO put in 5 bucks, :) and then--it seems i usually have about an 8th of a tank, though sometimes when i can put gas in before i am near empty, i DO
have a neat full 1/4 tank... >:D<
i only need to drive a few blocks, as i really don't have many spots to go to... (the grandkids have to come here on their folks rides) :)
so i do okay--however, the ex son in law, and those in 'the know' did say that in winter that is not good for the car, and i should have at least a
half a tank, so i may be thinking on doing that this year, :)
:)
good thing my old block to walk patty ann marie in, and the grocery (with mail service), dollar store, and home depot, and walgreens, and--gas station, :)) are all veryyyyyyyyyyyyy close indeed, :)
what.. no theories? Have you Noticed! the gas prices went up the night of the debates? Remember the Bush election? gas prices skyrocketed then too just before big media events trashing the dems. we're just the masses being manipulated.
Thanks to the enviroNazis the regulatory climate has been such that there hasn't been a new refinery built in the US in years and many shut down.
This has led to a brittle supply chain subject to shortage from what would be insignificant upsets if there were even a slight amount of excess capacity.
One electrical transformer shuts down one refinery in Torrance Ca and it starts a cascading shortage for the whole west coast.
Refining is not a high margin business. Those guys squeeze a penny till it shits a nickel. It's also incredibly capital intensive and not without plenty of both natural and artificial regulatory risk.
Same kind of event happened after Katrina with a lot longer effect. That one also skewed the petrochemical / plastics markets for months.
If you can avoid filling up till Tuesday it will be worth the wait. Torrance is back on line.
It's an international market folks and half what you are paying in the uSA and Canada goes to Wall street
In Eu a massive proportion goes to state taxes and about 1/4 goes to wall street
The sheep will be fleeced for all they have up to the point of armed conflict as best the masters can guess what that is. Even then they calculate how much armed conflict they can survive
Someone has pointed out how gas prices leapt at about the time of the first debate.
Let's just suppose gas prices are in fact being manipulated. There are laws against anticompetitive action.
Also the Citizens United decision by the supreme court has ruled that corporations are people. That being the case we don't need to establish what physical person(s) within a corporation made a decision.
If we had a RICO-like criminal decision against a corporation how would criminal penalties be applied? When you put a person in jail you take away their power to make decisions. The same can be done to a corporate/person.
The court appoints a person(s) to make all management decisions for the corporation for a period of time. The corporation is in jail.
Financial penalties levied against a monopoly have no effect. Prices are simply raised so profits are unaffected. The natural persons inside the corporation are entirely unaffected.
Financial penalties levied against a monopoly have no effect. Prices are simply raised so profits are unaffected. The natural persons inside the corporation are entirely unaffected.
I saw a "Gas was $1.69 a gallon when Obama took office" bumper sticker a couple of days ago. I was going to say something to the guy whose car it was on but i assumed he was retarded if he believed the sticker so didn 't bother..
Do you think oil company greed stops at the state line? Really?
High gas prices have more to do with rotten failed government - like California's - than anything the oil companies are doing.
What exactly have we gotten in return for paying sky-high gas prices in California that the citizens of every other state in The Union don't have? Anything?
I saw a "Gas was $1.69 a gallon when Obama took office" bumper sticker a couple of days ago. I was going to say something to the guy whose car it was on but i assumed he was retarded if he believed the sticker so didn't bother..
Actually it was.
When Bush crashed the commodities market.
About 1/3 to 1/2 of the cost of fuel today is due to rampant inflationary Wall Street commodities investment.
You can clearly see that the major cost driver for fuel prices has little to do with supply and demand.
Since the low point in 2008 demand has only gone up 8% while fuel cost have gone up over 130%
Infact for the first time in over 10 years this summer production actually exceeded demand. Which of course should be reducing cost.
The government, through it's policies and unnecessary regulations, is giving the *speculators* every reason to expect oil prices to rise, and no reason to expect prices to drop.
Of course the smart money is betting on higher oil prices. Why wouldn't they? Why shouldn't they?
lol chaz unnecessary regulation would actually curtail production not increase it which is the opposite of what is happennning in the "REAL WORLD"
Our problem is actually the exact opposite of what you are claiming
Current regulations allow for insane profit taking and market manipulation that neither serves the public or allows for a self regulating supply demand market scenario.
You have been sold a bill of goods by the republicans who serve the manipulators and are finding yourself spouting Orwellian opposite-speak
You will notice as I showed before demand has grown 8% and production now is exceeding demand. Both those factors should lead to gasoline costs near the same as the low point in 2008. At most we should be paying $2 a gallon.
The only wild card is the underregulated commodities market. Although in CA they are dealing with a short-term infrastructure problem creating a spike.
What have we gotten in return for the extra added expense of California government mandated special blends of gasoline that the citizens of every other state in the country don't have?
Cleaner than california air would be if they were not using the blends
lol cmon chaz ..
and hell that Oregon air is a nasty cesspool compared to Antarctic air...
about 10cents cleaner actually.. the rest of the additional cost of California gas is due to direct gas tax and a temporary bump due to 3 refinery and one pipeline issue with a little gouging on top for decoration.
Since I don't much like getting buried by BS I figured I'd repost my excellent explanation again
I saw a "Gas was $1.69 a gallon when Obama took office" bumper sticker a couple of days ago. I was going to say something to the guy whose car it was on but i assumed he was retarded if he believed the sticker so didn't bother..
Actually it was.
When Bush crashed the commodities market.
About 1/3 to 1/2 of the cost of fuel today is due to rampant inflationary Wall Street commodities investment.
You can clearly see that the major cost driver for fuel prices has little to do with supply and demand.
Since the low point in 2008 demand has only gone up 8% while fuel cost have gone up over 130%
Infact for the first time in over 10 years this summer production actually exceeded demand. Which of course should be reducing cost.
Give the speculators a reason to expect lower oil prices - such as the expectation of substantially increased supply, and the elimination of the idiotic "California only" gas blend mandate.
They have no reason to lower prices no matter what chaz.. they are making craptons of cash by gaming the system.
They expect higher prices due to one reason only. Higher prices make them more money and they want more money.
When market prices become unhinged from any reasonable predictions of supply and demand it is a gamed system. While regulation is not preferable to a well function supply/demand market it is much preferable to a gamed market.
At this point probably cheaper to huff glue. I did see some regular ST posters leaving the craft's store. Seemed a little wobbley, but did tend to lean right.
Let us know!