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Da_Dweeb
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Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 6, 2012 - 01:12am PT
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I thought that of all places my favorite rock climbing discussion forum would have a thread dedicated to this.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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#2 diesel was $4.19 at the Rotten Robbie today...
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moresnowplease
Sport climber
MAmmoth Lakes, CA
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$5.09 Mammoth Lakes Chevron today :-/
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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$6.29 on Coronado Island. If you have to look at the sign you should not be on the island.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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The one guy that could care less about gas prices. Haha!
3.64 in Boise, But that's the Flying J, not Circle K. I don't think we have Circle K's up here.
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MissJ
Social climber
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Cosmic, you did it again. Too funny!
$4.69 at an ARCO in Woodland HIlls, CA
There's nothing we can do about the gas prices.. we're being held hostage again!
They have us all by our whatsies. .
The last gas rationing we had was a fluke. They had it but gouged us for all they could get by with.
So bend over ...here it comes and you don't even get a kiss.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Actually we are being hosed by Huge capitol investment firms and an under-regulated commodities market.
About 1/2 to 1/3 of the cost of gasoline today is due to inflationary investment instead of actual cost of production and the standard market factors of supply and demand.
Notice what happened when the markets crashed 4 years ago.
Oh and for Califonia/Northern Nevada there are apparently several refinery and pipeline issue producing a huge spike in price due to reduced supply and speculation.
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dee ee
Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
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$4.59 (87 octane) in Santa Ana today, at the cheap station.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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One benefit of being self employed is that you raise your rates as your essentials go up in cost.
Never gouge, just keep up with inflation on an annual basis.
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Limited time to post. Workin' second job for gas.
Susan
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WBraun
climber
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Gas in Yosemite Valley went up 46 cents a gallon overnight to $5.41 a gallon for regular.
Yikes!!! What a huge spike .....
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Unleaded in France is going for around $9/gal. Diesel is only slightly less.
Perhaps the lack of outcry from Europe is due to an efficient transportation infrastructure.
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cyndiebransford
climber
31 years in Joshua Tree, now Alaska
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$4.33 a gallon in Soldotna, Alaska. It has gone up 20 cents this week and we are not affected by the lack of California gasoline.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Best info I can get on France gas tax is $4.23/gallon. That is from 2010 and does not include eurozone taxes.
USA federal tax for 2010 was $.39
The cost of Gas in the USA without taxes or speculative inflation in the should be under $2.00.
Remember when the markets crashed in 2008 Gas came down to about 1.70 a gallon. Some of that (a very small part) was due to reduced demand the rest due to crashed market speculation.
We are getting ripped by wall street so many ways it's pathetic..
Makes a great train robbery look like a 5 year old pocketing a kids toy.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, all....
ohmy, you knowwwwwwwwwww, i do not even KNOW what the gas prices are here... :O
i just go to the nearest one, as they are about the same, so everyone says here...
i put in my 3-4 bucks worths, depending... however, on rare occasions i DO put in 5 bucks, :) and then--it seems i usually have about an 8th of a tank, though sometimes when i can put gas in before i am near empty, i DO
have a neat full 1/4 tank... >:D<
i only need to drive a few blocks, as i really don't have many spots to go to... (the grandkids have to come here on their folks rides) :)
so i do okay--however, the ex son in law, and those in 'the know' did say that in winter that is not good for the car, and i should have at least a
half a tank, so i may be thinking on doing that this year, :)
:)
good thing my old block to walk patty ann marie in, and the grocery (with mail service), dollar store, and home depot, and walgreens, and--gas station, :)) are all veryyyyyyyyyyyyy close indeed, :)
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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I'm with you, NeeBee. Having things close by is handy, & I can & do bike to many places around.
Man, petrol is pricey out there, huh?
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LuckyPink
climber
the last bivy
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what.. no theories? Have you Noticed! the gas prices went up the night of the debates? Remember the Bush election? gas prices skyrocketed then too just before big media events trashing the dems. we're just the masses being manipulated.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Thanks to the enviroNazis the regulatory climate has been such that there hasn't been a new refinery built in the US in years and many shut down.
This has led to a brittle supply chain subject to shortage from what would be insignificant upsets if there were even a slight amount of excess capacity.
One electrical transformer shuts down one refinery in Torrance Ca and it starts a cascading shortage for the whole west coast.
Refining is not a high margin business. Those guys squeeze a penny till it shits a nickel. It's also incredibly capital intensive and not without plenty of both natural and artificial regulatory risk.
Same kind of event happened after Katrina with a lot longer effect. That one also skewed the petrochemical / plastics markets for months.
If you can avoid filling up till Tuesday it will be worth the wait. Torrance is back on line.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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It's an international market folks and half what you are paying in the uSA and Canada goes to Wall street
In Eu a massive proportion goes to state taxes and about 1/4 goes to wall street
The sheep will be fleeced for all they have up to the point of armed conflict as best the masters can guess what that is. Even then they calculate how much armed conflict they can survive
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Dweeb- It thought you were a pony guy... not a troll ;)
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 7, 2012 - 01:30am PT
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Pony/troll half-breed. The future of affordable transportation in California.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Dweeb where do you come up with that sh%t?? ;)
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jstan
climber
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Someone has pointed out how gas prices leapt at about the time of the first debate.
Let's just suppose gas prices are in fact being manipulated. There are laws against anticompetitive action.
Also the Citizens United decision by the supreme court has ruled that corporations are people. That being the case we don't need to establish what physical person(s) within a corporation made a decision.
If we had a RICO-like criminal decision against a corporation how would criminal penalties be applied? When you put a person in jail you take away their power to make decisions. The same can be done to a corporate/person.
The court appoints a person(s) to make all management decisions for the corporation for a period of time. The corporation is in jail.
Financial penalties levied against a monopoly have no effect. Prices are simply raised so profits are unaffected. The natural persons inside the corporation are entirely unaffected.
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 8, 2012 - 05:38pm PT
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Financial penalties levied against a monopoly have no effect. Prices are simply raised so profits are unaffected. The natural persons inside the corporation are entirely unaffected.
In the words of Big Macintosh,
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Until this morning, I hadn't set foot in California for a month.
I filled up at Last Chance Gas in Oregon, but before long it ran out.
Then I was subjected to the Four Jesus Fillup.
"Jesus Jesus Jesus" when I saw the price per gallon, and another "Jesus" when I saw it was $40+ for nine gallons.
Jesus.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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I saw a "Gas was $1.69 a gallon when Obama took office" bumper sticker a couple of days ago. I was going to say something to the guy whose car it was on but i assumed he was retarded if he believed the sticker so didn 't bother..
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Kinda makes you wonder what the ROI for oil companies is.
how 'bout the triple E
Enron, Enron, Enron
Takes a lot of Skilling to win at this game.
Where is FAROUT when you need him?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Here's a map illustrating gas prices by county - red is the most expensive, green the cheapest - for the U.S.:
( guess which state is painted red, dark red )
http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_gastemperaturemap.aspx
Do you think oil company greed stops at the state line? Really?
High gas prices have more to do with rotten failed government - like California's - than anything the oil companies are doing.
What exactly have we gotten in return for paying sky-high gas prices in California that the citizens of every other state in The Union don't have? Anything?
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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High gas prices have more to do with rotten failed government - like California's - than anything the oil companies are doing.
How?
Where did Enron manipulate prices the most? In California where the most money is spent. They were after all, not completely stupid.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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I saw a "Gas was $1.69 a gallon when Obama took office" bumper sticker a couple of days ago. I was going to say something to the guy whose car it was on but i assumed he was retarded if he believed the sticker so didn't bother..
Actually it was.
When Bush crashed the commodities market.
About 1/3 to 1/2 of the cost of fuel today is due to rampant inflationary Wall Street commodities investment.
You can clearly see that the major cost driver for fuel prices has little to do with supply and demand.
Since the low point in 2008 demand has only gone up 8% while fuel cost have gone up over 130%
Infact for the first time in over 10 years this summer production actually exceeded demand. Which of course should be reducing cost.
Like being ripped off by Wall Street?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Thank god that wall street is doing well cause their luck will soon trickle down to everyone , Republicans included...
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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The government, through it's policies and unnecessary regulations, is giving the *speculators* every reason to expect oil prices to rise, and no reason to expect prices to drop.
Of course the smart money is betting on higher oil prices. Why wouldn't they? Why shouldn't they?
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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unnecessary regulations
Big tobacco didn't need regulation either, right? You're living in a fantasy world chaz.
Stick to the photos.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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What did we get for the government imposed moratorium on drilling in the Gulf of Mexico? ( besides constantly increasing gas prices )
Anything?
Anything, but an excuse for the *speculators* to bet up the price of oil?
If you think the resulting higher gas prices represent money well spent, that's fine. That's a valid opinion.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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lol chaz unnecessary regulation would actually curtail production not increase it which is the opposite of what is happennning in the "REAL WORLD"
Our problem is actually the exact opposite of what you are claiming
Current regulations allow for insane profit taking and market manipulation that neither serves the public or allows for a self regulating supply demand market scenario.
You have been sold a bill of goods by the republicans who serve the manipulators and are finding yourself spouting Orwellian opposite-speak
You will notice as I showed before demand has grown 8% and production now is exceeding demand. Both those factors should lead to gasoline costs near the same as the low point in 2008. At most we should be paying $2 a gallon.
The only wild card is the underregulated commodities market. Although in CA they are dealing with a short-term infrastructure problem creating a spike.
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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$0.48 for a gallon of gas in Jeddah ,Saudi Arabia.
A loaf of bread costs $0.67 at their food mart.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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What have we gotten in return for the extra added expense of California government mandated special blends of gasoline that the citizens of every other state in the country don't have?
Anything?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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corniss..lift tickets are cheap in saudi arabia...you should move there...
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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cleaner air
wanna give us a difficult question?
Chaz would you like to tackle the real problem or at least look at it for a minute.
The main driver in fuel cost in North America today is the commodities market.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Cleaner air?
Cleaner than, say, Oregon?
I don't think so.
Certainly not eighty-five cents a gallon cleaner.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Cleaner than california air would be if they were not using the blends
lol cmon chaz ..
and hell that Oregon air is a nasty cesspool compared to Antarctic air...
about 10cents cleaner actually.. the rest of the additional cost of California gas is due to direct gas tax and a temporary bump due to 3 refinery and one pipeline issue with a little gouging on top for decoration.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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"Cleaner than california air would be if they were not using the blends"
Why then would Governor Brown be calling for switching to the *winter blend* of gas immediately, instead of waiting until winter to make the switch?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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To save 5 to 10 cents a gallon for consumers. It is one of the few actions he has the authority to take that can make a quick difference of any type.
Now back on Topic .. Do you like giving commodities brokers $1.50 to $2.00 per every gallon you put in your car?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Since I don't much like getting buried by BS I figured I'd repost my excellent explanation again
I saw a "Gas was $1.69 a gallon when Obama took office" bumper sticker a couple of days ago. I was going to say something to the guy whose car it was on but i assumed he was retarded if he believed the sticker so didn't bother..
Actually it was.
When Bush crashed the commodities market.
About 1/3 to 1/2 of the cost of fuel today is due to rampant inflationary Wall Street commodities investment.
You can clearly see that the major cost driver for fuel prices has little to do with supply and demand.
Since the low point in 2008 demand has only gone up 8% while fuel cost have gone up over 130%
Infact for the first time in over 10 years this summer production actually exceeded demand. Which of course should be reducing cost.
Like being ripped off by Wall Street?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Give the speculators a reason to expect lower oil prices - such as the expectation of substantially increased supply, and the elimination of the idiotic "California only" gas blend mandate.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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They have no reason to lower prices no matter what chaz.. they are making craptons of cash by gaming the system.
They expect higher prices due to one reason only. Higher prices make them more money and they want more money.
When market prices become unhinged from any reasonable predictions of supply and demand it is a gamed system. While regulation is not preferable to a well function supply/demand market it is much preferable to a gamed market.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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As long as the government is hostile to oil production, only a fool would expect greater supply and lower prices.
Smart money speculators are obviously betting Obama get's re-elected, and we're paying for it every time we buy gas.
And why wouldn't they? Seems like easy money to me.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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tasmanians pay probably the lowest petrol price on Earth.
because they won't stand for no monopolistic sheeit!
not to scale
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Tripod? Swellguy? Halfwit? Smegma?
Trad climber
Wanker Stately Mansion, Placerville
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who gives a flying fcuk about gas prices on a climbing forum?
Why do I bother writing this crap to a bunch of halfwits with nothing better to do than get on lame ass threads and go on about nothing?
Where's my crack pipe and what that weird sh#t crawling up my arm?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Tripod...those are some valid questions...Please hold...
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JOEY.F
Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Cosmic...Wake up and sniff my anal vapors...
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Oct 10, 2012 - 12:03am PT
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At this point probably cheaper to huff glue. I did see some regular ST posters leaving the craft's store. Seemed a little wobbley, but did tend to lean right.
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frank wyman
Mountain climber
montana
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Nov 26, 2013 - 09:58am PT
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$2.91 on the way to work this morning,Might have to go fill up the big ford and drive it instead of the "GEO"
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 26, 2013 - 12:41pm PT
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3.18$ @ costco Las Vegas 11/7/13
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Nov 26, 2013 - 12:47pm PT
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It is really depressing that there is about a $1 differential in gas prices between California and some other states.
Paid $2.69 in Oaklahoma recently. $3.69 back in California.
One of the reasons for this was that the fuel markets were more strongly segregated under Clinton.
It is basically no longer allowed to truck fuel from outside your regional market. Sometimes it would actually be profitable to truck the fuel an extra 1000 miles if it were allowed.
There are a lot of anti-consumer reasons we pay Way more than is necessary for our Fuel.
You republicans who supposedly hate taxes should look into it. You are paying a huge defacto tax to wall street.
Something along the lines of a 100Billion dollar a year drag on the economy.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 26, 2013 - 12:55pm PT
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The Lambo is in the shop so I gotta drive the Raptor down to Newport Beach to see my mom.
It's guys like me that keep prices lower due to volume selling, right?
Besides, I like horses, lots of 'em, and the sooner we use that sh!t up
the sooner we can go back to horses.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Nov 26, 2013 - 03:15pm PT
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hey there say, khanom and zbrown... can you please email...
please excuse the commercial...
just getting the ol' addresses for the christmas card season...
since you moved, khanom...
and zbrown, just needed the email, for same thing...
thanks guys...
now:
back to the ol' 'no gas prices thread on supertopo' :)
that IS now, 'a gas prices thread on supertopo'
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Nov 26, 2013 - 03:30pm PT
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Man, I paid $2.989 for a gallon of regular for my Civic Hybrid
today. How long will it last?
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
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Nov 26, 2013 - 09:17pm PT
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Hi neebee:
I have been MIA. thankfully not POW.
sent you an email tonight.
I try not to buy gasoline as much as possible, but when I have to pay for it I volunteer to dig drug smuggling tunnels for money. It's not clean work, but it is an honest living, I suppose.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Nov 26, 2013 - 10:07pm PT
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hey there say, zbrown... got the email, hope you got the reply...
god bless... :)
good thing, i did not need to buy gas, to visit here, :))
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Nov 26, 2013 - 10:32pm PT
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Under $3 in MT a couple of weeks ago. What happened to cheap Wyoming gas.
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