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kendallc81
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Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 20, 2012 - 10:50pm PT
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My name is Kendall and I have something that's fairly sensitive to discuss, but if you read my entire post you will see that I, being a frequent forum user myself, fully understand forum etiquette and am fully respecting it.
I own a tech company which I will not identify here, and so that my intentions are clear, my company's identity can only be seen by the moderators and owner who can see it by the extension on my email address to verify that my statements are legitimate. The benefit of the few users I could try to siphon with this single thread is very minimal to my company. Our intention is to create a long term relationship that we believe will be mutually beneficial for both this forum's owner, the community and ourselves. The only way our platform will be revealed is if the forum owner decides to allow the arrangement.
Now with that said, my company is a completely new kind of social platform that, while not replacing the hobby forum, does dramatically innovate certain aspects of it and therefore appeals to the same audience. Forums are for groups to speak together as a whole. Our platform is for people to create more engaging one-on-one relationships based upon similar activities, passions and interests. Unlike any other company making innovations in social networking, our platform was conceived one-hundred percent with diehard hobbyist in mind and will change the way hobbyists interact online. At the bottom of this post is a link to an anonymous Flickr image of our landing page, with blocked out names, to help explain our platform and so that you can see that this is something new and highly unique.
Over the next year my company will be visiting various conferences and expos for climbing as well as other hobbies. We will also be advertising on many forums such as this one. The only problem is, our platform is designed for all hobbies, and we currently can only focus our budget towards the most receptive hobby communities. So it first needs to be established if the climbing community is one of those communities. If it is, we intend to advertise on this site and if that is all we end up doing, that is fine. My strongest reason for approaching this forum, though, involves the forum owner and a potential partnership beyond a simple sponsorship of which we are confident will be well received. So if the forum owner will contact me we can discuss the matter further.
Eventually, one way or the other, many people in the climbing community will discover our company. But in the social space, the tone is often set by the earliest adopters, and we know that the forum community is the most upstanding and most knowledgeable kind of user to set the best tone within our own climbing community.
I hope that this isn't seen as a typical attempt to spam and won't be automatically dismissed as something that should be kicked. I'm requesting that decision to be left to the forum owner after they have heard what we are proposing. We want to be completely above board in our actions here, and once everything is revealed you will see that we are not a typical company in how radically and controversially pro-user and pro-fairness we are in our policies and practices.
Ask me any questions other than my company's identity and I will answer as transparently as possible.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8315/8007807229_2d61585063_b.jpg
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Sep 20, 2012 - 10:59pm PT
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Not to be cynical, but it sounds like Facebook. We associate here precisely because it is nothing like Facebook. You should emphasis how you are not like Facebook
Nothing worse than a social network site that tells the world what porn sites you visit. Until ST does that I am happy with ST.
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 20, 2012 - 11:05pm PT
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Yes I can see how it can seem that way, but the main thing that separates us for FB is that FB is about you and the people you already know. That is the only prerequisite to being your "friend". We build our platform to say "hey what if the only prerequisite to being connect with someone is that you have stuff in common and things to talk about, even if you are currently strangers. The forum uses this same principle. We just do it in a way that is user friendly much like FB except far more user friendly. You are already socializing in this way on this forum, we are just making it easier, funner, and opening it up to more people.
Now this sounds like that we mean that we would take traffic from the common forum. Well that is a nuanced issue and is where the conversation with the forum owner comes in.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Sep 20, 2012 - 11:10pm PT
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"...and we know that the forum community is the most upstanding and most knowledgeable kind of user to set the best tone within our own climbing community."
He says that to all the rock climbing forums, he be a playa!
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 20, 2012 - 11:11pm PT
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I find it to be very true. Have you browsed the Youtube comment boards? You will lose your faith in humanity. Forums have people, for the most part, who care to be there and treat others with respect. A few bad eggs with always be anywhere but my experience has seen an overall quality community present on nearly forum I have frequented.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Sep 20, 2012 - 11:21pm PT
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FB's I Love Climbing page has more climbers from more countries with more amazing photos than anyplace I've been.
For those that can see it:
http://www.facebook.com/IloooveClimbing?ref=ts
I love Supertopo because there is a depth of history, tons of well known climbers and tons of people that I know from back in the day.
I'm not sure how you'll improve that.
Are you going to take over Supertopo, or just draw people somewhere else?
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Sep 20, 2012 - 11:24pm PT
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I think he called climbing a hobby..?
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Sep 20, 2012 - 11:31pm PT
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I think he called climbing a hobby..?
He doesn't understand that the only reason we climb on those rocks is because they won't fit into a syringe that we can plug straight into the main line.
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Michelle
Trad climber
the f*#king peninsula.
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Sep 20, 2012 - 11:31pm PT
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troll.
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 20, 2012 - 11:34pm PT
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Go away kendallc81.
Everyone on Supertopo beats me and verbally flogs me daily and I love them for it.
Your site looks and sounds gay.
This site is a real mans site, with real humanity and even gay guys like you can do your thing here too.
I think?
Yours truly .... certified bad egg
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froodish
Social climber
Portland, Oregon
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Sep 20, 2012 - 11:36pm PT
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Not sure why you're posting in a thread for Chris to contact you. Not like he reads every thread and his contact information is clearly posted on the contact page:
http://www.supertopo.com/contact.html
Edit: seems we're not the only ones
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Sep 20, 2012 - 11:37pm PT
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Werner's on a roll.....BWA HA HA hahahaaaa!!!!
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JOEY.F
Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
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Sep 20, 2012 - 11:49pm PT
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Froodish,
I only clicked because the name was Kendal.
so anyway,
Hi to you both!
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Sep 20, 2012 - 11:52pm PT
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The day the bad eggs disappear from ST is the day the site folds. Your dream of a multi billion dollar IPO is not going to come by suckering this community into your scheme. Develop your website, buy banner ads on ST (see da brim and da big kahuna) and if your product is worth a crap the world will beat a path to your door.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
bouldering
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Sep 21, 2012 - 12:06am PT
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I will answer as transparently as possible.
obama-speak
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2012 - 12:13am PT
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We do intend on purchasing ads here as well as other places. However, we are not after a billion dollar IPO. As a company, have more in common with the founders of Craigslist than we do with Facebook. Attaining users is not our problem, but we would prefer to have the right kind of users in the beginning to show the "normals" (eg. someone without passionate hobbies) what good original content looks like. You guys are the ones who actually have content worth seeing and mimicking. This is our goal for the moment and we currently approaching many different areas of hobbies and activities to ascertain who will go on this journey with us.
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bergbryce
Mountain climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Sep 21, 2012 - 12:16am PT
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dude, stop using the word "hobbies"
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2012 - 12:36am PT
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Sorry. I've always considered sports to be hobb..... I mean, things that are funny and interesting activities to do.
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crusher
climber
Santa Monica, CA
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Sep 21, 2012 - 12:38am PT
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No offense, but you sound like an alien who has just landed and is asking to be taken to our leader.
You sort of sound like Hal, too (the computer).
Maybe I've just had too hard of a day but your posts cracked me up. Sorry. Anybody with me on this one?
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Sep 21, 2012 - 12:44am PT
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Yeah, sounds funny to me. I'll take the guy at his word and he seems sincere, but I can't imagine a worse forum to approach. Well, I can, but in terms of mainstream "hobby" forums ST is a pretty freewheeling place highly adverse to assimilation/regulation/moderation.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 21, 2012 - 12:45am PT
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"open podbay doors"
Or maybe
More Borg,
"stand by to be assimilated"
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 21, 2012 - 01:02am PT
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Sports are things that are funny and interesting activities to do.
Then there is "life"
Is that a hobby too?
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Sep 21, 2012 - 01:06am PT
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a completely new kind of social platform
Zzzzzzzzzzz.
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10b4me
Ice climber
dingy room at the Happy boulders hotel
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Sep 21, 2012 - 01:22am PT
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Kendall, looks like you can't develop your own user base so your trying to move in on Chris Macs gig. you need to earn it first.
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Sep 21, 2012 - 01:22am PT
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Sorry, Kendall, but that is one of the most poorly written "introductions" (sales pitch?) I have ever read. It reeks of marketing BS, uses a lot of words but says next to nothing. Sorry, but I for one have no interest in learning more about whatever you are selling.
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karodrinker
Trad climber
San Jose, CA
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Sep 21, 2012 - 01:29am PT
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OMFG we finally found something all of supertopo can agree on!
THAT SUCKED
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2012 - 03:18am PT
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@ncrockclimber - Yes if I were writing that long of a message as a sales pitch I would fire myself straight away. But it is not a sales pitch. If you take me at my word you will see that I am not trying to sell anyone anything. I am just getting some feedback, introducing the concept and reaching out to the community and it's owner. It might not be the most effective method to open up a dialog but it is automatically a controversial thing to discuss anything commercial on a forum. If I had simply come on her with a our well honed elevator pitch, we would have gotten kicked straight away. We simply needed to introduce ourselves and that is all. If someone would let me know the best way to contact Chris directly (email, handle or other) I would appreciate it. Thanks.
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Sep 21, 2012 - 03:31am PT
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It's the email link in contact info - for a person that knows forums so well you seem to have a lot of trouble navigating them - or for that matter doing 5 minutes of research that would have told you that you're wasting your time here. Your marketing "strategy" needs a lot of work.
Or, you can just sit here and keep asking for the forum owner to respond - but I wouldn't recommend holding your breath. He won't.
Go do some base research before wasting any more of your time with this.
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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Sep 21, 2012 - 05:44am PT
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Sounds to me like you intend to connect advertisers with us. It also sounds like you intend to store our information for additional marketing opportunities under the guise that you are "connecting" us with people who have similar interests and hobbies.
I also imagine your platform will be able to identify us fairly quickly as soon as it is implemented. While you choose to remain anonymous before you can be vetted by our community. Why the secrecy?
If I see a dirtbag climber hiking out of jtree I give him a lift if they want it. If they tried to stow away on my vehicle or hide something in my vehicle I'm probably not going to give them the ride without a good explanation (bago ride is totally cool and acceptable). Same deal here if you said my company is XYZ and we want to enhance your forum experience I may check it out. As is no thanks.
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Sep 21, 2012 - 05:52am PT
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Yes if I were writing that long of a message as a sales pitch I would fire myself straight away. But it is not a sales pitch...
See, this is where I call Bull Shit! The subject of the post implies that you are going to give something to the community, but the truth is you want something. Does the climbing community get something in return? You do not really say. You type a lot of words, but the content that explains what exactly you want and what you will provide is sadly lacking. This thread was intended as an opening gambit for a transaction of some sort. You are just trying to obfuscate the true nature of what you really want. With that in mind, I have no interest in further dialogue with you on this subject.
In case that is not clear enough for you, let me state it another way: Please go away.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Sep 21, 2012 - 06:01am PT
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[Click to View YouTube Video]
Chris, don't do it.
He hasn't changed his seersucker suit in fifty years!
Edit: I better not. I had to apologize the last time.Oh, WTF!
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Sep 21, 2012 - 09:02am PT
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Welcome to Supertopo dude.
You got the same warm welcome we give everyone..heh heh...
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Sep 21, 2012 - 09:06am PT
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Amazing how universally disliked Kendals mystery website is. Granted, ST crowd could be characterized as the anti-Facebook crowd. Here is a novel concept Kendall, meet people at the base of crags, in parking lots and on summits. No registration required, no computer needed. No batteries to charge. In fact, the less "connected" you are, the more adventure you will have. Good luck with your hobby
Edit: rc.com is up for sale, isn'nt it? Get some venture capital, buy it and whore out that user base
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J.Haze
Sport climber
Ohio
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Sep 21, 2012 - 10:12am PT
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Hobby? hah, what a joke just that statement shows your ignorance about the community you are trying to advertise to. A hobby is something you do on the side from your life, something as physically and mentally demanding as climbing is no short of a lifestyle - I don't fit my "hobby" into regular life, my life is what you want to call a hobby, simply insulting.
The world needs another social networking site as badly as I need more political advertising (live in ohio i.e. top three states for ad's, it's bad lol).
Instead of pandering and claiming to be some new revolutionary "tech company" be straight about what you really want, maybe more like "I want you to join my networking site thats excatly the same as the 10 others to come out this week so that I can track your personal information and sell it to the highest bidder". Your "tech company" is no more than a glorified data mining company, the fact you can't even properly address the community you're reaching out to makes that clear.
The reason people use forum's like ST is the relative anonimity and the fact that im not berated by random information and pictures of what some jerk at for dinner.
Good luck competing against the hundreds of thousands of other networking sites.
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Michelle
Trad climber
the f*#king peninsula.
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Sep 21, 2012 - 10:57am PT
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Maybe you and mystery Greg from the mt project should get together and go bowling.
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murcy
Gym climber
sanfrancisco
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Sep 21, 2012 - 11:05am PT
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"Hi stonelvr56! You're on my suggested friends list! We both like to climb on rocks, we're into a little trad, a little bouldering, a little sport. It's like we're made to be friends! Plus, I like rock music too!! Let's live-chat, and share our gear lists and favorite merchants!"
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10b4me
Ice climber
dingy room at the Happy boulders hotel
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Sep 21, 2012 - 11:12am PT
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Maybe you and mystery Greg from the mt project should get together and go bowling
lol
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Daphne
Trad climber
Black Rock City
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Sep 21, 2012 - 11:32am PT
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Have you browsed the Youtube comment boards? You will lose your faith in humanity.
This is so true.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Sep 21, 2012 - 12:07pm PT
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Hmmm, do you wonder how many forums he has posted to? This is just what has hit the search engines in the last day or so.
Boardgaming, now that is a hobby
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Sep 21, 2012 - 12:29pm PT
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Gaming is a stupid waste of time.
It's inherent.
It's a Republican plot to enrich the already rich Richard Dan Rich.
Or it's a communist plot.
Pretty ambiguous in any event.
We do not pretend to like outside agitation.
We do not cotton to trolling.
WE can look after ourSELVES just fine, Peersucker Suit Boy.
Get the "message?"
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neversummer
Trad climber
30 mins. from suicide USA
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Sep 21, 2012 - 12:49pm PT
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OP = ASSHAT
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adikted
Boulder climber
Tahooooeeeee
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Sep 21, 2012 - 01:02pm PT
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Reaches for popcorn!!!
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2012 - 02:22pm PT
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@ mountainlion
There are no ads. At all. The only thing commercial you will ever see is the objects you asked to be associated with. Companies can not promote themselves in any way. Manufacturers literally have no means to provide us with money, directly or indirectly. And resellers only pay us through us referring sales to them after we have sent the sale. We push nothing on to anyone in any way.
We also do not sell users data in any way or ever access their data else in any way. We are a hermetically sealed container on a deserted island, informationally or big data speaking.
We promise these two things to our user in a way no one else ever has, by legally binding ourselves (and any future company who could acquire us) to these promises with our own legal documentation to the point that if we were ever to break either of these promises our company would be fined so heavily by the FTC that it would go under the next day. We have spoken with the FTC in person about this. With our net we have made for ourselves to prove our honesty, the fines are 5000 dollars a day a user PER infraction. You can do the math.
I am not revealing our identity so that it is obvious we are simply not trying to lift a couple of people or boost our SEO. By obscuring it I can understand that it seems I am attempting to boost interest, but that is not my intent. If anything it annoys people rather than intrigues them, so it would be a bad strategy if that was my goal.
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2012 - 02:27pm PT
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@J.Haze
Please see my comment to mountainlion above concerning data mining and ads.
I agree with you that random photos are food are pointless. That is why we made a platform that gets more interesting photos and videos and shows them to the people most interested in them. We do make money, but we make it honestly by earning it through sales, not by selling people's data without their knowledge or throwing ads in their faces.
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2012 - 02:30pm PT
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@ Jon Beck
I don't hide that we are approaching many forums at once. We want to see which communities are responsive and which are not. I say that in my OP. When you expect dishonesty from everyone you will see it everywhere even if it is not there.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 21, 2012 - 02:44pm PT
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is this on the death to spammers list yet?
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Sep 21, 2012 - 02:49pm PT
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"Interesting?"
Interesting...
Speedily I turned and ran away, f*#k that Niagara Falls bit!!!
This is not amusing any longer. This guy thinks he's John McClane and that is just unacceptable!!! He's my hero!!!
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2012 - 02:53pm PT
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@mouse from merced
Oh if only I were John McClane I would simply run away slowly and everything would blow up behind me the day would be saved.
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nutjob
Gym climber
Berkeley, CA
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Sep 21, 2012 - 02:56pm PT
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Sounds to me like a me-too Facebook play, about half a decade too late, and not enough money to launch horizontally across the planet to compete even if being late wasn't an issue.
So you're taking some notes from "Crossing the Chasm," attempting to identify some "bowling pin" niche markets to dominate vertically, and somehow milk that into a chain of niches from which you can eventually launch more horizontally, to thrive after you saturate the "early adopter/enthusiast" market segments. Main street still looks pretty far away.
You're looking for a beach head market, but you blew the landing on this one (and most other ones). My alarm bells went off in the first sentence, and then it got worse when you have the generic cut/paste "hobbyist" message to shotgun across all forums. It shows you have no vested interest in this particular niche market, which severely undermines your credibility or likelihood of gaining a following in this market.
All is not lost, however. If you persevere past the initial hazing, and demonstrate some attention beyond what would be prudent for your business, then it might just work out to get some loyal followers. Maybe folks here will chime in with things they want that they don't get through Supertopo or Facebook.
On the bright side, I think it is a nice idea to find folks by common interest rather than existing friendship. But between Supertopo and Facebook groups, that part is pretty covered here. If I were you, I wouldn't mortgage the house on this idea!
I almost deleted this after writing it, but I thought the brutal honesty is worth more to save your future than you would suffer from a few moments of having the bubble of hope popped. And if this feedback causes you to suffer in any way, you're not ready to run a small business. It's easy for people to tell you how great something is, but it's a different matter for them to commit to using it or even pay for it.
Man, I think I missed my dose of Metamucil today. Gonna go look for it and see if I can get that stick out while I'm at it.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 21, 2012 - 03:01pm PT
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Whatever happened with Ihateplastic's similar deal?
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Sep 21, 2012 - 03:06pm PT
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Social media is going through the same phase that online shopping went through. Plenty of kids, as in teenagers, set up grocery shopping websites. There were many sites to buy cars from. They are all gone. There are some things people do not want to turnover control of to the internet, and grocery shopping and car buying were a couple of them. Facebook sucks, and I predict it will go the way of myspace, geocities, juno, and aol.
I can not talk to facebook people without going through Facebook, it is ridiculous. I signed up now I am in Facebook hell, why would I do that to my climbing life.
CMac worked hard to build what I consider to be the best climbing forum on the internet. I doubt he wants to get lumped in with Guitars.com and ATVers.com. I just looked at rockclimbing.com, it is a ghost town. Leave well enough alone, if it ain't broke don't fix it.
Hey STers, make sure to spend time clicking banner ads and gear reviews, it helps Chris and takes away some incentive to sell the user list to the highest bidder
Kendall, you should attend Facelift, it is free, you will meet loads of ST members, and find out what this "hobby" is all about. There is one hobbyist you just have to meet, his name is Alex, he will be there.
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Sep 21, 2012 - 03:08pm PT
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What a surprise, it's Off Topic Marmot!
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Sep 21, 2012 - 03:13pm PT
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A gentleman's bet some jerk posts this diatribe (excellent choice of word--TY--like) to FB to show how on top he is, or she is, or hip (like, like, like, stop liking this), or something of that
Nature, hold it right f*#king there, you creep!!!(unlike)
Not enough gentlemen here, right, ladies?
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2012 - 03:31pm PT
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@nutjob (funny, if feels weird calling you that and saying anything nicely afterwards)
No, I appreciate the observation and criticism. When it comes to criticism, if it isn't brutal it isn't helpful. Even non-constructive criticism can be a source of gold.
There is still room for growth within innovations of social networking. Pinterest is the fastest growing website in the history of the internet and all without taking a single member from Facebook.
We (like Pinterest) are trying to do something that something like Facebook is not even doing. Most social networking is not actually social networking. You simply connect with people you already know and hardly communicate with more than a few of them.
We looked at how some CEO billionaire who owns a Harley motorcycle can meet some guy on the street who is borderline homeless (but who owns a Harley) and the two can have hours of subjects to talk about. The same CEO runs into his college roommate and they have nothing to discuss because of the lack of KNOWN similar interests.
The forum is great for this, but the bottleneck of the extremely non-user-friendly interface has made it to where forums have almost reached their peak percentage they will ever reach. And it is extremely low percentage even the forums out there represent every interest anyone could possible have. In other words, they should have the entire market, but they have less than 4 percent.
We have found a way to combine all of someone's nuanced interests, activities and passions into one place in a user friendly way that will open up the gates that the traditional forum normally closes in less patient and tech savvy people's faces.
We have raised nearly a million in seed funding which is about 5 times more than seed ever reaches and this is because our idea has merit. The site is built, the user response has been largely positive and now we are ready to get our next bit of users. But we need to know how to spend our budget first. This is what this effort is to decipher. Forums are the perfect ad space for us. If someone is using an Apple 2E and enjoying it, think of how much they would like it if you handing them an iPhone.
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J.Haze
Sport climber
Ohio
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Sep 21, 2012 - 04:09pm PT
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warning! rant below:
The problem I still face with this whole premise is that you are claiming to be witholding the company name and site address in order to make your "intensions" more clear? I'm afraid that just makes your whole story murky. At the same time you post a link to a picture that could have been made using half the media programs I have on my computer, could probably make it in MS word. How do you expect to advertise a product successfuly with such a lack of coherent information? All you state is that you have this great new idea for a social network desgin for the "hobbiest". Well why is it so great, what features are you offering that make it unique compared to the other networking garbage on the web, wtf is it even called?
I guess the post bothers me to the Nth degree because I have a background in advertising and marketing. You don't even supply the most basic spec's for the functionality of said product, or even how it will work for the user in connection to this forum to make our user "experiance" better. How can anyone tell you they would be interested in such a product if they have zero real information to base a decision on. Yeah, yeah you will probably say we are looking to propose this to the forum owner so the post is vague for that reason, well look at the response you got from the users of ST, doesnt look so great and if the owner reads these threads he will see the skepticism. Frankly if your the head of advertising for this company the other partners should be worried cause you are clueless, I could advertise and sell a plastic pickle better than you are doing for this social network.
[edited as you posted while I was writing]
Even the most recent post tells me nothing, a million in seed money and a positive feedback from users and still we have yet to see a name for said website to at the very least verify your claims. Give me some proof, give me anything to go on besides we have a great idea.
[edited to add more lol]
FYI. you're premise for a site that nobody is doing is actually already made - it's call Meetup and it does a great job doing exactly what you are proposing, you have no fresh idea.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Sep 21, 2012 - 04:19pm PT
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What's in it for me?? A lot of the ST "charm" has to do with its 90s interface. People have a love/hate relationship with the UI and the content. I suspect many of the remaining forums are the same??
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Sep 21, 2012 - 04:23pm PT
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A lot of the ST "charm" has to do with its 90s interface.
Good point
The most popular website in the world has the crudest interface possible.
Craigslist, people love it. Except the politics section, you would have to be deranged to enjoy that.
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John M
climber
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Sep 21, 2012 - 04:25pm PT
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Whatever happened with Ihateplastic's similar deal?
I was wondering the same thing.
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2012 - 04:47pm PT
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@J.Haze If that long post were a sales pitch it would be a terrible one for sure. It isn't though so it is not meant to accomplish what you suppose. Not naming the site has only to do with showing good faith that we are simply trying to get some initial feedback rather than trying to get a bunch of people clicking through.
We have approached many communities this way in the last day or two. Some appreciate the approach and respected it as honest and some did not. Some like the concept of the site and thought it could be good for them and some did not.
I assure you, it was not designed in MS word and neither were our marketing videos or the site itself. The 900k in funding we have raised has provided more than enough to build our platform and now we intend to market it but first we must find out who will be most receptive.
I don't know if you noticed that I said 900k and not 100k or 200k which is all that most startups raise with overcooked non-innovative ideas. Investors respond to this platform because it is actually innovative. The innovative or non-innovative merits of an entire platform are somewhat difficult to ascertain from a still screen shot.
Our goal was to figure out from truly passionate people within small communities what they thought of a simple screenshot and limited explanation because that is all about all of the effect of an ad at the top of a screen will get you. The ones that say "hey that seems like it could be cool" we will throw ads at immediately, the ones with less vision or the ones who our platform is not currently geared towards, those we will likely not advertise on. That is yet to be seen here. In our postion we have to see into the negative comments and learn WHAT exactly is seen as negative.
Learn from everything. That's our motto. We have a lot of mottos though.
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J.Haze
Sport climber
Ohio
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Sep 21, 2012 - 05:07pm PT
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The concept is interesting for your advertising and I am curious in the results. I would ask questions on how you think the initial post makes people react, i.e. create bias or skepticism, but it's not what your trying to acomplish here as this is not a marketing forum lol. I would be aware of the sites like meetup.com if I where you, the site seems to be covering a similar market.
Really though I was bored at work and wanted to bust your balls, its Friday who want to work.
[edited to add]
Actually am proud in some respects, I did get you to reviel your marketing campaign with what two posts? Common man your on a rock climbing forum posting off topic, how did you expect it to go?
Good luck with your thing!
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Sep 21, 2012 - 05:14pm PT
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We have a lot of mottos though.
. . . yawn . . .
I think I am going to join the OT Marmot
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Sep 21, 2012 - 05:15pm PT
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"...reaching out to the community and it's owner..."
Didn't know that we were owned.
Or did you mean "pwned", which is more accurate.
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Sep 21, 2012 - 05:17pm PT
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I don't know if you noticed that I said 900k and not 100k or 200k which is all that most startups raise with overcooked non-innovative ideas.
I know entrepreneurs that eat $900k for breakfast and eat another $900k the next day.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 21, 2012 - 05:20pm PT
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No more feeding the troll/spammer/pimp
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2012 - 05:27pm PT
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@rectorsquid If you simply search the word startup and techcrunch you will find that most seed funding is far below 500k. If you search it on investopedia or even wikipeda you will find that the very definition of seed funding is breached when talking about a 900k figure. It then enters early round by definition.
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Mr Roy
climber
Seattle
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Sep 21, 2012 - 05:28pm PT
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Sep 21, 2012 - 05:37pm PT
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Gawd, I have resisted contributing to this thread (why did I even read it, curiosity I guess, either that or I have too much free time on my hands), hey Kendall dude, you hit on the wrong bunch. Period. Full stop. Adios amigo.
Blatant? I wonder if you know the meaning Kendall. Cheeky? Either that or stupid. Go play on the freeway. (No menace intended, just go play elsewhere.)
BTW, in my honest opinion, social media is neither social or intelligent. A load of crap. And as far as humanity goes on the Web... I am sorry, I am just rolling on the floor in fits of laughter, and you think you are different. ROTFLMAO.
When is the IPO? I'll make sure I stay clear with what little money I have.
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2012 - 05:48pm PT
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@limpingcrab I can see how it would seem similar but it is not. Very different model from ours.
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2012 - 05:49pm PT
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Yes social media is in many ways what you say it is. That is why we built something entirely different. Useful as much as it is social and inspiring. But it is difficult to explain color to someone who can only see in black and white.
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John M
climber
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Sep 21, 2012 - 05:52pm PT
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But it is difficult to explain color to someone who can only see in black and white.
How to win friends and influence enemies. Yep..
Hey Simon..
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10b4me
Ice climber
dingy room at the Happy boulders hotel
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Sep 21, 2012 - 05:55pm PT
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so Kendall, you climb?
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2012 - 06:07pm PT
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@10be4m Oh I'm sure what I have done would be tame compared to what you guys do. What I have done has been more extreme hiking. I enjoy what I do do though. I prefer pushing my limits in mountain biking. But I'm lazy about it and mainly only like the extreme stuff when there is a lift. I like going down a double black diamond but not up it.
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jstan
climber
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Sep 21, 2012 - 06:30pm PT
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I think we have here the first case of a machine passing the Turing test.
A machine producing text that people think was produced by a person.
Terminator redux.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Sep 21, 2012 - 06:31pm PT
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John M, I agree
But it is difficult to explain color to someone who can only see in black and white.
Kendall, I hope you do not rely on your charm to win friends or business.
I know this forum, most of the contributors think outside of the box far more than you appear to. Black and white indeed. You seem the one stuck in the box. Get a life and quit bugging us.
You've lost your 'struggle' to win us over. Move on to other pastures. Mooo, Mooo, baaa, baaa.
BTW, I have been a journalist for some 40 years in five countries, much of it business journalism. I have come across chancers before, and you are no different. "Oh, but I am different". Yeah, right, and pull the other leg while you are at it, I dislike being imbalanced by people of your sort.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Sep 21, 2012 - 06:50pm PT
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Oh he's a mountain biker.. ;) Sorry couldn't resist.
Kendall, Climbing is a dangerous pursuit. We put our lives in our partners hands and it is hard to trust new people to be competent. It might not be suited to your platform..
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2012 - 06:51pm PT
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@Patrick Sawyer
I grew up in extreme poverty in a drug community in the middle of nowhere Texas where my house was a camper trailer with a glorified shed added onto it. I never went to college and yet in my career I have gone from roach infested pizza dives washing dishes (not as a summer job) to owning a company that pays myself and others six figure salaries. I have taught for three semesters in the collegiate environment (yes without any degree) and shared cocktail shrimp with everyone from the CEOs from fortune 100 companies to congressional staffers and policy creators from many of the organizations that decide the direction of this country and world. I have now been an executive twice and all before the age of thirty. You may not choose to believe this but if the media (CBS, Politico, etc) we have spoken with thus far is any indication, when we are ready, there will not be a shortage of outlets to give our company the attention we need.
You can choose to believe this or not. I only state it to say that I have no shortage in ability to "charm" my way outside of any critical or less than favorable situation. Very few people have what it takes to rise above the lot cast to them. I am one of those people if there ever was one. And there is currently no signs of any slowing, quite the contrary actually. Honest and integrity are very rare traits that will take you very far if you stick with them I have found time and time again.
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2012 - 06:58pm PT
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@Big Mike
Well I wouldn't call myself a mountain biker. I mean, I have a few Haro bikes and really enjoy going downhill when I go to Beaver Creek in Colorado but I haven't had much time for things of that nature in my life enough to say that I am "a mountain biker". For me it is simply fun.
Everything I have done on a mountainside was free climbed just enough to be dangerous while still being possible by someone who has little idea of proper climbing technique.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Sep 21, 2012 - 07:06pm PT
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okay, nothing personal
but there is a
tradition here
when people take ill advised risks
the get warned
that
YER STARTUP!
IS GONNNA DIE!!!!!!!!!!!
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Sep 21, 2012 - 07:14pm PT
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How is this not facebook for recreationalists?
One good thing about this thread, I finally understand the popcorn reference.. I been dyin' all morning!!
Nice of you to provide these guys with fodder Kendall ;)
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neversummer
Trad climber
30 mins. from suicide USA
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Sep 21, 2012 - 07:17pm PT
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extreme hiking
Burly shite right there..........
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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Sep 21, 2012 - 07:20pm PT
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Kendall why is it that people like you want to say how "successful" they are when confronted with thier lack of a real life? So you have shared grub and conversation with CEO's (Criminal Extortion Operatives). Then you say that "honesty" and "integrity" are the backbone of your success. Try being honest with yourself (your life sucks). How do I know? You said you were a "mountain biker" but it is obvious you don't actually do it. I mean you may own a nice bike and all but the next time it gets ridden will be by some kid at your high end garage sale.
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chill
climber
between the flat part and the blue wobbly thing
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Sep 21, 2012 - 07:22pm PT
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The "hobby" description reminded me of something. Someone in the local Colo. Spgs. media once described Leonard Coyne as a "climbing enthusiast". For some reason it struck me as funny. I think Leonard thought so too.
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2012 - 07:24pm PT
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If we are to be compared to anything in social media currently, it would more like if Pinterest was social and hit on all interests instead of just a small handful. Facebook is simply a system to connect with the people that you already know. Social discovery (not just us but all social discover) is in many ways nothing like Facebook. Go look at Twitter's or Foursquare's landing pages. They tell you perhaps enough to get some idea of what is going on inside the site, but certainly from the landing page of twitter you can't ascertain the impact of millions of people connecting over 140 character statements.
Our landing page is just mention to draw some remote interest. The real draw is when users with good content begin showing that content outside of a platform. Our purpose is to get the people with the "good" content into our system first, with just a big of money and social interaction, before we start blowing marketing money out the windows to get the "normals". It might seem that all of this (my site's name) bashing is not valuable to me, but it certainly is. You can learn a lot even from people completely dismissing a thing. That is, if you know what to listen for.
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Gene
climber
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Sep 21, 2012 - 07:30pm PT
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Kendall,
For a rags to riches two time executive with a six figure salary before age 30, as well as a collegiate environment educator {WTF is that?}at home on the cocktail shrimp sharing circuit, you sure spend a lot of time on this forum for very dubious rewards. I question your judgment.
g
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2012 - 07:32pm PT
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@mountainlion
I said I wouldn't call myself a mountain biker. And it is largely because I only dabble. The reason I don't have much time to is because I spend all of my free time with my wife and two children as I am a bit of a home body and my wife is thankfully able to be a stay at home mother.
The life I lead is by choice as I love my kids more than anything. I do work a great deal otherwise but it is because I love my work. My 80 hours a week feels like 10 or none at all because I am building my passions. Before I was the captain of the ship though, I could still say the same thing.
Honesty and integrity are rare amongst more of the crowd that I was speaking of and on that point you are correct. I may be amongst them, but I am nothing like them. I know hunger and hopelessness and poverty and they never will.
How many people can say that they love their work and their family and can find people out there to invest money to support their ideas? How many less can say that without a college degree? How many less can say that who grew up in poverty?
My life is full of blessing and I have no shortage of things to be thankful for. If I died today I would be a happy man.
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2012 - 07:35pm PT
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@Gene If I spent a great deal of my time doing stuff such as this I agree that would be bizarre. Thankfully I don't and simply today I am on many boards at once in dialog with many different interest and activity communities simultaneously. I appreciate this group just as much as the others though even if this one has far more negative comments than the others. It's all good feedback.
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2012 - 07:41pm PT
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I don't fault anyone here for negative comments. You are simply giving your opinion of something of which you currently have limited information to judge upon. It is human nature to desire to judge even when limited to the smallest amount of criteria to judge upon. You see a film preview and you think "I bet that will be awful" or "that will be amazing" when sometimes upon watching both you will find the truth to be the opposite.
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 21, 2012 - 07:49pm PT
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kendallc81
This forum is owned by a guy most of us know personally.
He's a fuking bad ass both physically and mentally.
He's not some abstention wanker owner and bragging rich guy trying to be cool like you.
We know who he is unlike you who's hiding behind some stupid made up wall.
What a fuking poseur.
Be up front like man instead of all this pussy ass talk here.
You get no respect when you try remain a anonymous wanker.
Go away!
Signed your worst fear, the bad egg ......
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2012 - 07:55pm PT
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So far no one here has stated any actual element of the site is bad. If you make a sandwich with mayo and someone says "I think anyone who uses mustard on sandwiches like you do, is an imbecile" you are not offended, because you used mayo.
On other boards that I'm currently interacting with some people are seeing the mayo and are saying either yea or nay. But it is still valuable to see why people think you are using mustard so you can make sure you avoid whatever that thing was. Even comments as simple as "looks stupid" can be valuable.
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2012 - 07:58pm PT
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@WBraun I would love to say who we are but that would be advertising and all I am asking for now is feedback until we official begin advertising on this site and are given freedom by the owner to discuss openly.
Oh and I am not trying to be anything :) But I will take it as a compliment that you think I am trying to be "cool".
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Sep 21, 2012 - 07:58pm PT
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Looks stupid.
I hope that is helpful.
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neversummer
Trad climber
30 mins. from suicide USA
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Sep 21, 2012 - 07:59pm PT
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say goodbye as#@&%e..
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chill
climber
between the flat part and the blue wobbly thing
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Sep 21, 2012 - 08:22pm PT
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Kendall - FYI, no one here is interested in your business. The only reason to check this thread to find out how much abuse it will take to make you go away.
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jeff_m
Social climber
700' up
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Sep 21, 2012 - 08:23pm PT
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Kendall (Ken doll?)
Pinterest? Really? You do understand that the primary demographic you're trying to pursue here isn't a gaggle of 14-year-old girls on a One Dimension fan site, nor is it a frustrated lonely-hearts scrapbooking club, right? (Not trying to sound all badass, but seriously, do a little homework.)
If you want constructive criticism, it's this: No matter how bitchin' you design your UI, I'm pretty sure this climbing group will not ever be "live chatting" to find new BFFs. (If it were live "shatting" you might be on to something...)
And too funny, Werner. (But you forgot to say "homo.")
[Cue pony graphics.]
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Sep 21, 2012 - 08:31pm PT
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I am only posting this for two reasons: (actually three)
It's shrimp cocktail dude, not cocktail shrimp (if you know anything about food).
So rags to riches and you grew up in a trailer park, and are now hobnobbing it with the 'big boys', so why hit this forum with your pathetic BS? You must be well connected, from what you claim, so why hit up this forum and others?
What is your M.O.?
Thirdly, you sound like a bag of shite.
Oh, actually to keep this thread going and bump it so we can all see what an arse you are. Let me know when the IPO is, I'll keep an eye open... and wonder (actually, your 'hidden company' would make it hard to follow, though I could).
Of course, gobshites like you do make it at times, the richest man in Ireland, actually a tax exile (who I despise, and he me), is a gobshite and he is a billionaire.. a gombeen, brown envelope stuff, a cheat, corrupt, albeit he has more money than I do (maybe I should have tried that route). But he is still a piece of...
Is that what you aspire to be Kendall, a rich gobshite? With only money buying you respect? A cheat, a gombeen? Karma says: "Hi Kendall, and where are your balls, oh you sold them to the devil, I see."
If money is your "raison d'être" (that's French by the way), I truly feel sorry for you. Okay, I don't. Gobshite.
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2012 - 08:35pm PT
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@jeff_m The research says this: Pinterest is the fastest growing website of all time. It receives more sustained traffic than any website in history. It is the most popular website online for women other than facebook and receives more traffic than over a hundred websites that are household names to you me and everyone else (eg Yahoo).
All of this is not because it is used exclusively by tweens and scrapbook moms.
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2012 - 08:42pm PT
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@Patrick Sawyer Your post made me laugh :) I hadn't before realized the distinction between cocktail shrimp and shrimp cocktail. You can tell how little of it I have had. But that doesn't mean that the times that I have had it that the context of the situation was any less valid. I mean, I rub shoulders with people who most people only see on C-SPAN (aka government and private industry policy makers) and I didn't even know it was called shrimp cocktail. That's got to be saying something. Those people don't exactly accept lunatics off the street in their company. They do accept lunatics, just not ones off the street.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Sep 21, 2012 - 08:45pm PT
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Nice try Kendall. Now, go home little boy and find something useful to do. Adios. Goodbye. Go have some cocktail shrimp with your uber pals.You are spending too much of your precious time on us Taco Standers.
Go, go away little bird, fly until you find freedom.
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jeff_m
Social climber
700' up
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Sep 21, 2012 - 08:45pm PT
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And your research will also tell you that that "fastest growing segment" is the least cash-rich (i.e. least amount of expendable income). Curious though, what did your research tell you about the climbing community?
Geez, this is all a troll, huh? I got suckered in with a full Phil Hendrie thing, didn't I.
Haha. Out!
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2012 - 08:46pm PT
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@Patrick Sawyer Oops I forgot to mention why if I "hobnob" with so and so, why would I come here. I come here because you guys are "the people". Some White House staffer or Stanford professor or fancy pants author is not going to use my site. Average people will. Maybe not you guys in particular perhaps. But that remains to be seen when the only introduction you have is not a dog pile.
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2012 - 08:49pm PT
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@jeff_m The climbing community is, like others, a very passionate and focused community. They do things that to most people is wildly impressive and that makes you guys a good community to put on a pedestal for others to "follow" and admire.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Sep 21, 2012 - 08:54pm PT
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Okay, I'll bite. I have interviewed presidents (Clinton and Salinas, oops, sorry about the last one), prime ministers (Tony, Bertie and Margaret/Maggie - she was a pain - captains of industries, celebrities - try looking up at John Cleese, you need a ladder, of course I am only 5'6" - successful entrepreneurs, billionaires... and gobshites). Now dear Kendall, which of those categories do you fit in?
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Sep 21, 2012 - 09:09pm PT
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now who is trolling who??? ;)
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2012 - 09:09pm PT
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@Patrick Sawyer Oh, I fit in none of them except maybe the sole word "successful". I have successfully created opportunities for myself where others found none, over and over and over again. If you start in a campertrailer with roaches and fleas and you make it to the executive level at successful organizations, that is already relatively very far. If I plateau here that is fine. I've enjoyed my life and success so far. The upward momentum though shows no signs of stopping.
I don't really care to make the next big whatever. I at most would say that I have always wanted to provide a pleasant work environment for a team that I am leading. I have done that already and am still. Everything from here is just more good motion.
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2012 - 09:18pm PT
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@Greg Hey thanks man. And invitation is much appreciated. I will be sending a message to your admins very soon.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Sep 21, 2012 - 09:21pm PT
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One question, since you've garnered no supportive feedback, why do you keep trying?
I'm sure you have the best intentions. Making money, right? Ok, that was two questions.
Dude, you're barking up the wrong tree here.
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Nate D
climber
San Francisco
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Sep 21, 2012 - 09:25pm PT
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Instead of pandering and claiming to be some new revolutionary "tech company" be straight about what you really want, maybe more like "I want you to join my networking site thats excatly the same as the 10 others to come out this week so that I can track your personal information and sell it to the highest bidder". Your "tech company" is no more than a glorified data mining company, the fact you can't even properly address the community you're reaching out to makes that clear.
Seeing as you want feedback, I'd have to say I mostly agree with this, said earlier. However, I would add that the possible difference in your (likely misguided) endeavor is that unlike these other social networking sites mining for information, you are being blaringly up front about it in your mock up page/image/whatever. You immediately want people to mention products by name to get the ball rolling? Interesting. Very little transparency there. Good luck, esp. with this crowd. This forum is a homespun endeavor, a mom and pop of sorts, the real deal, warts and all. Your masterminded project seems the antithesis.
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2012 - 09:25pm PT
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@Brandon- I don't think anyone who knows me would say that I lack persistance. And I don't think anyone here would either at this point. When people I know ask me for advice on how to get where I have gotten, I always say two things, integrity and persistance.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Sep 21, 2012 - 09:31pm PT
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Hey Kendall, have you figured out what a "troll" is yet? You might want to google that one.
Edit +1 for the above comment. I was roflmao literally!
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2012 - 09:34pm PT
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@Nate D Mom and Pop places is exactly what we are after. That is even the exact phrase I used to describe to my assistant what I wanted for this list of forums. As far as us being the opposite of Mom and Pop, I don't know about that. I knew this small effort would be an ugly one on some communities so I wanted to get my hands dirty and do it myself. I don't think something that the opposite of a Mom and Pop would do.
Products are a mechanism of our platform the purpose ends just after the point of usefulness for the user. In other words, they use it like a means to find other people, kind of like a flag to draw a custom community to themselves, but after that, the purpose of the product is over. We are gathering all that data into a pile to sell or using it to push other products on anyone. This we have bound ourselves to in our privacy policy.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Sep 21, 2012 - 09:34pm PT
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Do you think your site will have more hot blonde girls (that climb) than rockclimbing.com?
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Sep 21, 2012 - 09:35pm PT
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kendull,
dood, we don't give a damn if ya use "mustard" or "mayo" on yer sammich. what matters most around here is; are ya a dirtbag or an urban yuppie?
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2012 - 09:36pm PT
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@Big Mike It's my understand that a troll needs to be like ugly and troll-like to be a troll: throwing insults just to get their kicks and the like. I don't see myself doing that anywhere on this board. How do you define troll?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Sep 21, 2012 - 09:39pm PT
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Wow, you guys haven't run the poor bastard off yet?
I reward him with the SuperT persistence award, a picture of my sister!
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2012 - 09:40pm PT
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@splitter "kendull" :) that's good. I don't think anyone has ever come up with that one.
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2012 - 09:42pm PT
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@survival is that really your sister? She looks very serious.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Sep 21, 2012 - 09:49pm PT
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You pretty much got it. It also can mean representing something you really are not for the purpose of a laugh, or to get a reaction.
Not to say necessarily that is who you are, but some here are suspicious of anyone hiding behind an avatar.
That greg guy was repping for mountain project a couple days ago until he got roasted by a user here when he was talking to the admins at mt proj.
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S.Leeper
Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
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Sep 22, 2012 - 12:11am PT
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this thread has one good thing going for it STEELY DAN!
love the brooklyn song
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Sep 22, 2012 - 12:23am PT
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Steely Dan sucks. Discuss.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 22, 2012 - 12:29am PT
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Greg really does work at widefetish though. He was just kidding about mtn project.
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jeff_m
Social climber
700' up
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Sep 22, 2012 - 12:31am PT
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Why discuss when you can live chat within a community of like-minded hobbyists?
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Sep 22, 2012 - 12:44am PT
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I've just come upon this thread. What is this nonsense? Isn't facebook bad enough? Reminds me of the Fuller Brush men who would come around to your door to try to make a sale.
;>(
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S.Leeper
Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
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Sep 22, 2012 - 12:47am PT
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a steely dan sure beats this thing:
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jstan
climber
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Sep 22, 2012 - 12:52am PT
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OK that's it. I am buying futures in silicone companies.
Kenwhatever:
You got Werner really pissed off.
Not good.
Not good at all.
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S.Leeper
Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
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Sep 22, 2012 - 12:58am PT
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those aren't natural?
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jstan
climber
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Sep 22, 2012 - 01:03am PT
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C'mon folks.
Troll.
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 22, 2012 - 01:08am PT
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The term troll has really lost a lot of it's meaning it seems. I remember when it was based upon someone being disingenuous to get a rise out of people. Apparently now "troll" just means someone who you do not like.
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jstan
climber
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Sep 22, 2012 - 01:13am PT
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Who does not like you? This has been some of the funniest stuff in awhile.
You need to start a TrollBook.
Who can be the most outrageous?
You are doing pretty good.
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Gene
climber
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Sep 22, 2012 - 01:14am PT
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Great post, Sullly! LOL
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Sep 22, 2012 - 01:27am PT
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Kendall,
This started at 7:50 this morning.
Take the advice I got in a dream this afternoon from Bessie Smith.
Take your camel to bed.
And stop pissing on your own damn rope, Klutz.
Know when to fold the cards.
You pissed of Werner, you pissed off the rest of most of us.
When you get your UI come to Camp 4 and all will be forgiven.
We love moxie. Just not in the service of mysterious bosses.
You are not sold on your own shtuff. That's transparent. You are a machine. Unplug, dude. Save yur soul.
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 22, 2012 - 01:37am PT
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@mouse and merced
Do you think I am an employee? I am the CEO. I am the creator. :) This is my own show. Don't take my not being easily blown over as me not being personally invested. On the contrary, this is my baby. I have sweat blood for this thing (what it actually is, not what many here are perceiving it to be). I am simply not demoralized by naysayers. I learn from everything, even casual flaming from 50,000 feet. Many people have a lot of false confidence and get easily offended. Others have real confidence which requires humility. I am the latter.
I am not attempting to convince anyone of anything, here, at this point. I am simply responding to people who are commenting to/at me because I consider it rude to not respond when someone addresses you.
This is the point where someone says "everyone stop speaking to him and he will go away". And that is the objective truth. I made a single thread and that is all I intend to make.
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Pąte
Trad climber
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Sep 22, 2012 - 01:47am PT
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yeah, right. CEO hanging out on Supertaco. Go eat some cocktail shrimp.
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 22, 2012 - 01:48am PT
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Hold on now.
I was never pissed. Just trolling to see what he was made of and see the reaction.
He's tough as nails.
He never broke.
Tough guy and keeps his cool.
You can learn something from this guy .......
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Sep 22, 2012 - 01:54am PT
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Sorry for placing words in yer mouth, Mr. B.
Just glad I laid in my popcorn.
Late nite.
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S.Leeper
Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
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Sep 22, 2012 - 01:57am PT
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Pate, hell yeah!! Now this thread has accomplished something.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Sep 22, 2012 - 02:00am PT
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the only reason we climb on those rocks is because they won't fit into a syringe that we can plug straight into the main line.
gold right there.
or rather, golden brown.
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Pąte
Trad climber
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Sep 22, 2012 - 02:10am PT
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Pate, hell yeah!! Now this thread has accomplished something.
sorry, S.Leeper. fake Pate here. the real Pate has left the site.
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WyoRockMan
Trad climber
Flank of the Bighorns
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Sep 22, 2012 - 03:27am PT
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Kendall-- You may make some inroads with the crowd here if you learn a little more about the hobby.
This will help you with the lingo and what happens on the stone:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Sep 22, 2012 - 04:25am PT
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the real Pate has left the site.
Word is that he is here when he wants to be and he is busy getting outside and raising his daughter.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Sep 22, 2012 - 05:24am PT
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Hey Greg@, did somebody rub your nose wrong up on the Taco Stand? Gym Climber?????
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Sep 22, 2012 - 10:14am PT
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OK that's it. I am buying futures in silicone companies.
How dare you jstan?
My sister would never fake a thing like that, it's too important.
All my friends told me they were real bro, no sh#t.
She's got too much integrity'n'sh#t.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Sep 22, 2012 - 10:24am PT
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Two thoughts...
1. If this image from Big Mike a few pages back is what you have... Oh Feck! You have not a clue and neither do your designers/programers/partners/investors.
2. As someone who did lead the charge for a new social network, went live with an international base of users, received some decent traction and solid investment, I must say... I would never do it again. The book has been written and there is no need for another chapter.
EDIT: Oh yes, while on the subject... while Valley Giants have their place, there is nothing like a #00.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Sep 22, 2012 - 11:00am PT
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WyoRockMan,
You made my day already by posting that safety meeting with Robin Tunney of The Mentalist. She's one of California's Sweethearts. And it's an interesting (smirk) piece of filming. Liked the whippers (wanna see that again?).
Kinda like a morgue this morning. Hope it stays that way.
"5.9. Let's go to the caf."
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Sep 22, 2012 - 11:10am PT
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there is nothing like a #00.
Ummm yeah....
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Sep 22, 2012 - 12:25pm PT
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Our platform is for people to create more engaging one-on-one relationships based upon similar activities, passions and interests.
 why?
Unlike any other company making innovations in social networking, our platform was conceived one-hundred percent with diehard hobbyist in mind and will change the way hobbyists interact online.
with one-hundred percent diehard hobbyist in mind? Can anyone say oxymoron?
to help explain our platform and so that you can see that this is something new and highly unique.
I read someone had stated that a new chapter was not needed…. So what really makes your "new" anything great, meaningful or even moderately fun? Like I hear from the republicons I know you can't give specifics and at this point much like the republicon rhetoric I don't need to hear more specifics to know that its not worth my time.
The only problem is, our platform is designed for all hobbies, and we currently can only focus our budget towards the most receptive hobby communities.
More than one problem exists here. You keep thinking of climbing as a hobby. Ask PTPP if what he does on the wall is his hobby? I can't imagine dying while doing their hobby. But then again I'm not a man of the world type like others on this site.
My strongest reason for approaching this forum, though, involves the forum owner and a potential partnership beyond a simple sponsorship of which we are confident will be well received.
Hey I have this great idea for people to talk to each other on a forum and I will try talk to the owner of another place where people share to see if I can get some money for my great idea. Either that or try to drag people over to my great idea instead of the owners well established forum. Not sure what the why answer is. If you can do something better then open up your site, do you community hobbyist advertising and see what the results are, otherwise you shouting on a mountaintop and its between you and the wind.
So if the forum owner will contact me we can discuss the matter further.
Werner said it best.. ghay
Eventually, one way or the other, many people in the climbing community will discover our company. But in the social space, the tone is often set by the earliest adopters, and we know that the forum community is the most upstanding and most knowledgeable kind of user
Sounds like the beginnings of a delusion… Hey, can I vote to have on who should go first? Fattard, blueraggs, TGagT, LOB, JEllezariano, and others
automatically dismissed
Done!!!
We want to be completely above board in our actions here
Fail. I WANT to be above board, I just can't right now.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Sep 22, 2012 - 01:07pm PT
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Oxymoron. Jingy, ya lose any sleep doing that run-down? Thx, BTW. From my heart.
I couldn't bear re-reading this myself...
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Sep 22, 2012 - 01:17pm PT
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I think this thread should now be about breasts.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Sep 22, 2012 - 01:23pm PT
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Something in common!
I too, like boobies, Cadillac bumper guards being my thangs especially.
What's not to "Like?"
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Sep 22, 2012 - 01:51pm PT
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It's threads like this that really make me miss Pate.
That screen shot that Big Mike put up, that showed the theme of the site based on "He used this: _" "To do this: _" just begs for some nuns.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Sep 22, 2012 - 02:09pm PT
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Oh S#it Ken Doll! You working the forums today? You've gone viral!!
Edit sorry couldn't resist the above...
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phylp
Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
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Sep 22, 2012 - 02:28pm PT
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OMG!
This thread is definately going to be included in my future book "1001 Funniest Taco Threads of all time"!
(CMac, just FYI, all proceeds from 1001FTTOAT will be going to the ASCA.)
Kendall, best of luck with your new company. If you are lucky and right, the model will be successful with some user groups of "hobbyists". There's certainly an abundance of choices.
But I STILL cannot figure out EXACTLY what you are trying to ascertain from US?
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Sep 22, 2012 - 02:30pm PT
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Doin pretty good Cosmic, Thanks for asking.. Still got about a month's worth of windows left... Hoping I can work this kink in my shoulder and neck out before Monday....
How are you? Did the percs manage to afford you some sleep last night??
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Sep 22, 2012 - 03:01pm PT
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Good to hear you are going to take some more time off cosmic. Gotta let that wing heal up so you're not on the injury reserve all the time. ;)
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Sep 22, 2012 - 03:11pm PT
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Lol locker. Did you get your torture chair yet cosmic?
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Sep 22, 2012 - 03:14pm PT
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This is for the climbing community!
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jeff_m
Social climber
700' up
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Sep 22, 2012 - 03:41pm PT
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Feel kinda dumb not doing a WHOIS search in the first place...
http://www.ownafide.com/
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, LLC (http://www.godaddy.com);
Domain Name: OWNAFIDE.COM
Created on: 11-Apr-11
Expires on: 11-Apr-13
Last Updated on: 12-Apr-12
Registrant:
Savvy Jim Management Inc.
807 Timber Ridge Dr.
Cedar Hill, Texas 75104
United States
Administrative Contact:
Curtis, Kendall curtismail@sbcglobal.net
Savvy Jim Management Inc.
807 Timber Ridge Dr.
Cedar Hill, Texas 75104
United States
(817) 965-2819
Technical Contact:
Curtis, Kendall curtismail@sbcglobal.net
Savvy Jim Management Inc.
807 Timber Ridge Dr.
Cedar Hill, Texas 75104
United States
(817) 965-2819
Shoulda put the vid in his first post, too; it would've probably gone better for him (but probably not as funny for us):
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Sep 22, 2012 - 03:53pm PT
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lol classic!
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 22, 2012 - 07:32pm PT
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Well the cat is out of the bag as they say. Though I think now that it is out, I won't have to worry too much about what would have happened if I had posted the video and link straight away (instant kick). No, I think this thread has created such a fun place for people to sling mud that this alone is more valuable then deleting the post for filtering purposes. I'm glad you guys have had such a good time with it.
Oh and that Ken doll shrimp cocktail image has got to be one of the funniest things I have seen in forever. Everyone who hasn't should read through this entire thread to know just how funny that is. I might make it my new desktop background. No I definitely will. Right now.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 22, 2012 - 07:49pm PT
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Now can we ban this spammer?
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 22, 2012 - 07:58pm PT
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@ Cosmiccragsman No I've had a lot of fun. This has been way funner and more memorable than the forums that have gone positively, by far.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Sep 22, 2012 - 08:23pm PT
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Kendall, speak up, your mumbling.
Oh, sorry, I did not realize you had the blue plug of silence wedged in your pie hole
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kendallc81
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 22, 2012 - 08:59pm PT
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@Cosmiccragsman see you're already showing how fun concept can be :) lol
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WyoRockMan
Trad climber
Flank of the Bighorns
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Sep 22, 2012 - 09:25pm PT
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Your only hope now is to get Dabrim on your site as quickly as possible!
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Sep 22, 2012 - 09:36pm PT
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Jaybro why would we delete our newest form of entertainment? Heck we put up with farouk and he's much worse.
Kendall- congrats on having a sense of humor. I always find it funnier when the whipping boy is laughing along too.
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Sep 23, 2012 - 02:36am PT
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Pinterest? Really? You do understand that the primary demographic you're trying to pursue here isn't a gaggle of 14-year-old girls on a One Dimension fan site, nor is it a frustrated lonely-hearts scrapbooking club, right?
Just finished my ascent of The Nose. TR soon, but first I found this adorable picture of Werner Braun (and his newfound butterfly friend) parasailing in the 70s. Pictures and recipe for aunt Miriam's famous triple dream marzipan coming tomorrow morning, then it's off to fix up Wall of Early Morning Light and plan out my dream wedding. Wish me luck, my super Supertopians! <3
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Sep 23, 2012 - 01:45pm PT
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Bump for Cosmic's last manip! Its way too funny to be missed.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Sep 23, 2012 - 02:24pm PT
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Sep 23, 2012 - 03:10pm PT
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^^^^^ That's what makes solo haul bags so heavy.
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Sep 23, 2012 - 03:17pm PT
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Hey!, don't be knocking DaBrim! Max and I are testing them out on Lost in America!
Cosmic, you are a funny fuk!
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Sep 23, 2012 - 03:34pm PT
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Didn't read beyond the "hobby" comment, get a clue dude.
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Sep 23, 2012 - 03:38pm PT
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Ditto Donini.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Sep 23, 2012 - 03:57pm PT
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mouse from merced Wrote
ya lose any sleep doing that run-down?
no sleep lost… just thoughts as I read this initial post… I just had a hard time believing what I was reading.. so I cut it up into digestible pieces… which eventually became inedible.
Cheers Mouse
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Sep 24, 2012 - 01:27am PT
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We needed a new boobies thread anyways!
EDIT: THIS IS NOT, I REPEAT NOT, SAFE FOR WORK!!
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Sep 24, 2012 - 01:32am PT
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I was reading this thread while waiting for an elementary school function to start on Friday, the people behind me probably that I was looking at porn on my phone. Well, actually I guess I was.
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Sep 24, 2012 - 01:35am PT
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Put some safety spacing in there so that doesn't happen again. My bad.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Sep 24, 2012 - 01:39am PT
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It is really cool how some mammalian protuberances can save an otherwise train wreck of a thread.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Sep 24, 2012 - 01:40am PT
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NSFW?
Guess it depends where you work.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Sep 24, 2012 - 01:46am PT
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It took almost NOTHING save this one!
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Guangzhou
Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
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Sep 24, 2012 - 01:59am PT
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A hobby, a sport, why bother reading the rest.
Eman
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Sep 24, 2012 - 02:47am PT
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Holy hell, and I thought my ex was flat chested :P lol
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Sep 26, 2012 - 03:47pm PT
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Jaybro, I agree, let's hope CMac gets rid of this spammer, though you must say he seems to have a brass set of balls, too bad his brain is dead.
86 Kendall.
PS/NB and his 'new idea" is not new at all. Just another useless chancer. Maybe he should try a Ponzi scheme next.
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