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Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 31, 2012 - 10:25pm PT
I spend a lot more time playing guitar than climbing these days. I'm considering pros/cons of a new fangled multi-effects pedal vs. a board made up of separate pedals. I'm looking for recommendations, comments, warnings, stories, advise etc. If going old school basic pedalboard what would be your top reccs for pedals? Am I going to die?
Edwardmw

climber
Aug 31, 2012 - 10:41pm PT
Me to, not really climbing, playing a ton of guitar. Boss single pedals, you really may only need 1 or 2. The Boss Digital Delay-DD7 and the Boss Distortion DS1. That's it, then your good to go.
tom woods

Gym climber
Bishop, CA
Aug 31, 2012 - 11:02pm PT
delay is good, vibrato might be added as well. I always think first chord on Dark Side, that different Em strummed from the top. The chord is cool, but the pedal is key. I use an old boss wah wah with the vibrato so I can set the speed of the vibrato with my foot.

It's not really needed, you can usually get close to tempo by turning a knob on a regular pedal.

Those danelectros are cheap so you can buy lots. Then they break, so you can buy more.
ron gomez

Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
Aug 31, 2012 - 11:18pm PT
I'm old school acoustic all the way...even ordered a guitar and had it "custom" made to have the electronics taken out! BUT David Gilmour does some really cool stuff with pedals on acoustic guitars!
Hope klk, Kerwin chimes in on this thread, he's a hell of a GUD guitar player.
Peace

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPL3O7NmgpI

tommy Emanual
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x346VoDX3pA
ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
bouldering
Sep 1, 2012 - 12:38am PT
tom woods should join The Eastside 5.
The Call Of K2 Lou

climber
Squamish
Sep 1, 2012 - 01:38am PT
+1 for the Boss Distortion pedal. I love that sexy beast.
slodog

Trad climber
ontario canada
Sep 1, 2012 - 05:51am PT
get a good tube amp and dont bother with digital guitar pedal junk-
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Sep 1, 2012 - 12:08pm PT
Check out my nephew Ryan's company Toadworks.


http://www.toadworksusa.com/Products.html


Hendo1

Trad climber
Toronto
Sep 1, 2012 - 12:09pm PT
A big issue with some multi-effect units is "latency" -- you step on the switch to change the effect and there's a slight lag in it happening. Not a big deal in most human affairs but crucial in music, based as it is on tiny divisions of time.

I do have a Zoom unit which doesn't have the latency problem, but I don't use it much. It simply has too many bells and whistles. (Who uses a ring modulator?) It's useful for recording but a bit of a pain to use live.

I've bought and sold zillions of pedals over the years and have reached the point where I prefer to keep it simple -- a good amp and a few pedals as needed: stage tuner, delay, tremolo/vibrato, crunch (a germanium fuzz, in my case).

And when I do use an effect there's only a little touch of it. Too much of an effect and it generally doesn't blend well with the rest of the instruments.
Edwardmw

climber
Sep 1, 2012 - 12:16pm PT
I agree with you guys, use a pedal, maybe two, just to slightly enhance your sound, do not over do it with a bunch of pedals on 10.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Sep 1, 2012 - 12:42pm PT
ron, yr being way too kind.

i'm not really gigging these days, and i'm happy with my guitars, and my favorite amp is a really, really rich octal, so i'm pretty much plugging straight in. sometimes i chain another amp. i have a splitter, so when i'm getting fancy i'll run a 2nd amp (i have a really clean old ga-25), so the octal sort of becomes my wet signal and the cleaner amp is the dry. but typically no pedals other than the splitter.

i still have a seventies mxr distortion pedal but havent touched it in many years. i did pick up a fuller supertrem for occasional gigs where i might have to be fighting a drummer/pa issues and need to use a bigger amp that's less rich. i mostly keep the supatrem dialed way down and use it more like a really light presence/delay pedal. mike's pedals are great-- the build quality is amazing, and the supatrem is truly full bypass. built like a tank, too.

if i had the dough i'd buy one of his echoplexes. ive never loved spring reverb much less digital. http://www.fulltone.com/pedals

if i was going to drop the dough, i'd also hunt down an old dearmond trem-tol:
http://www.danformosa.com/dearmond.html

but i can't see taking either of those out to some gig at a dive bar.


deepnet

Boulder climber
San Diego
Sep 1, 2012 - 01:11pm PT
Tone is in the finger tips.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Sep 1, 2012 - 02:39pm PT
pedals are aid! pedals are sportclimbing! real men plug straight in!

an oldskool pedalboard=a cable & a volume knob!

heh

it'd be pretty tough to be working regularly in cover bands w/o a serious pedal board. probably even easier if you also had a modeling amp. hard enough to get gigs. getting seriously purist means yr playing mostly in yr living room, so i'm not going to slam folks running lots of boxes.

there's also a real nor-cal scene where i see really good players who have consciously chosen to run really cheap guitars into very vanilla and often solid-state amps and then invest most of their dough in pedals and modelers.

even pete anderson has switched over to ampfarm for his studio recording, and billy gibbons's live rig is modeled.

pedals are pretty personal. sorta like choss.
Minerals

Social climber
The Deli
Sep 1, 2012 - 02:45pm PT
Forget the pedals; you definitely need one of these for your hippie music…


Edwardmw

climber
Sep 1, 2012 - 03:13pm PT
Seems like quite a few guitarists posting here, anyone care to post up audio or video of their guitar playing? I would love to hear it.
mountain dog

Trad climber
over the hills and far away
Sep 1, 2012 - 03:58pm PT
Stick with it Locker. You have potential.
Iron Mtn.

Trad climber
Riverside, Ca.
Sep 1, 2012 - 04:01pm PT
If you are not playing in a live situation a multi effects is the way to go.
I know some folks who have been pleased with the Boss ME 50.
I wouldn't mind having one for home use myself....
klk

Trad climber
cali
Sep 1, 2012 - 06:27pm PT
i dont have any recordings converted-- i havent recorded since four tracks were replaced by computers. so if any of you have recs for a decent interface-- mike to mac -- pitch them out there.

and wade, w/o knowing your guitar/amp combos and the application, it's hard to make recs. i have very little experience with the multis-- only ever used them in the store. when i was using pedals, one of the things i learned quickly was that you can't always predict how any given pedal is going to interact with any particular tube amp much less with other pedals.

one of the deals with pedal boards is that change in the order of the chain can make dramatic changes in effects farther down the line. moving the flanger over one box can have ripple effects. lots of folks learn to play the pedals and do changeups in the chain periodically for specific effects.

the more you add, the less predictable things can get. that's one of the reasons that serious pedalheads often play solidstate amps or modern amps with effects loops or else spend hours configuring different chains for different tube amps.

the cheap pedals typically don't have real bypass, either, so if you chain a bunch of them by the time the signal gets to the preamp it's already wet, even if the pedals are off.

Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Sep 1, 2012 - 06:40pm PT
My favorite sound was my Les Paul direct into my turned up Princeton Reverb. A touch of Reverb (3). Since my amp didn't have a master volume I would use a Boss Distortion DS1 for lower volume distortion.

Now it's a Strat through a Pandora Box into a practice amp. fun to try out lots of fun burp and fart digital noises while sitting in my office.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 1, 2012 - 08:38pm PT
klk- strictly living room jamming through a variety of lo watt amps-vox actv-70's vibro champ, 60's champion 600, pignose-with a variety of mostly fender guitars and a lap steel- thought a looping pedal might be fun..some of the hippie music I've been playing doesn't sound right clean...like Satisfaction for example. there's no way they're getting that sound plugged straight in....or maybe there is but I'm not getting it with the bedroom amps...

thanks for the info gents, keep it coming
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Sep 1, 2012 - 08:42pm PT
I picked up a line6 pocket pod fairly recently for just over $50 on ebay. This thing blows away anything I had 30 years ago when I was a garage band guitarist. The best feature is an auxilliary input that you can connect to the headphone out on your laptop, so you can mix your guitar with a backing track, or whatever. I picked up a Mexican strat and that's all I need. I remember as a kid, the stratocaster seemed like a really high end guitar, now they are commonplace but still a really nice instrument to play.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 1, 2012 - 09:14pm PT
Jebus-60's Tele. Gramps(RIP) would want you to blaze.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Sep 1, 2012 - 09:28pm PT
keith played a maestro fuzz on no satisfaction.

sort of a gimmick-- stomp it on for that one riff, then stomp it off. he was into american stuff, so he was probably running a recent fender amp, so something bright and clean and scooped. havent seen a gear list for that session. but a single coil into a maestro into a blonde or silverface is prolly gonna sound a lot like that. either of yr champs might work. but since that's one of the most famous guitar riffs of the last fifty years, folks have worked out variations with other kinds of equipment.

the maestro was the earliest fuzz and the one you usually hear on 60s records with effects fuzz. sort of cheesy. more recent distortion pedals usually reach for something different-- even my 70s mxr doesnt sound like that. the fuzztone on my 50 dollar made-in-indonesia portable, though, sounds almost exactly like it. heh

maestro (it was a gibson line) also did the first phase shifter. designed to imitate a leslie rotating speaker setup. if i had a jillion dollars and wanted to do a seventies waylon cover band, i'd buy a maestro phase shifter.

http://www.freestompboxes.org/wiki/doku.php?id=maestro_fuzz-tone_fz-1

http://www.wingspreadrecords.com/maestro_ps1_page.html

Talusfeeder

Social climber
Here
Sep 1, 2012 - 10:56pm PT
I would never put a multi fx unit in front of those amps. I understand the place fot multi fx units, and even modelers, but I have just never clicked with any of them. I really enjoy the process of finding sounds, dialing them in, recalling them and tweaking them over time. I love the sound of a great guitar through a great tube amp, but I also really like creating interesting sounds. This is where the pedals come in...

Pedals shouldn't be responsible for the quality of your tone...simply tools to create sounds with.

Here is my current rig-I tour full time so this is likely to seem a bit overboard for the living room rocker, but I think any one of these pedals would be at least entertaining for anyone to play with.

I play Telecasters and Jaguars through Vox AC30's, AC50's and an Orange Thunderverb.

Pedals: (In no particular order)
Polytune Mini
Keeley Compressor

Drive:
Tube Screamer 808 clone
BB Drive
Double Muff
Cusack More Louder
Timmy
Fuzzface

Modulation:
Pog 2
Small Clone (CLASSIC!!!)
A/DA Flanger
Eventide Space
Micro-Synth
Wet Reverb

Delay
Nova Delay
Flashback
DD3

This is everything that is currently on my board. I also have an Eventide Time Factor, Strymon El Cap and a bunch of other delays. I use delay for almost every one of our songs and for the last year or so I have been almost exlusively using the Nova,Flashback and DD3.

Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Sep 1, 2012 - 11:03pm PT
I'll read something about a song I like or hear something on the radio. Then I try messing with delay and other sounds and I can never get the tone I want. I screw around for an hour and I just set the dial to a Fender Twin with a little reverb and I'm happy again.

Pathetic!
murcy

Gym climber
sanfrancisco
Sep 1, 2012 - 11:18pm PT
No pedals on this one...

The Water is Wide

When I played in bands way long ago, I was poor, busy and stupid, and had a weird kludged set-up with crudely home-made this and that, and to my ears it sounded awesome for basic moderately crunchy guitar. Used a "Pearl Effector" overdrive pedal at a pretty low distortion setting into two amps: a 70s Fender Pro-Reverb (great for mid to high---I bought it for $200 from a 19yo jazz great Stanley Jordan as he asked his roommate, "What will I practice with?") with a resistor bridge on the speakers feeding a 60s Sears Silvertone (!) amp head into a home-made cabinet with a fancy 15" full-range speaker whose brand name was something like Grolsch?

http://mervspiegel.com/home.cfm
Cooker

Mountain climber
LA, CA
Sep 2, 2012 - 12:24am PT
Have a look at what the professional gear whores with fine discrimination and infinite cash buy & play (whether you love or hate Eric Johnson, you've gotta respect the effort he has put into getting the right sound):

Main A/B switch:
A Side:
Vox Cry Baby (Late 60's)
through BK Butler Tube Driver (Mid 80's)
into a '68 Marshall 50 Watt Head
with a 4X12 Marshall Cabinet (Late '60's)
B Side:
Signal goes into a Secondary A/B Switch
A Side:
Echoplex (Mid '70's)
through a new T.C. Electronics Stereo Chorus
into 2 - Fender Deluxe Reverbs with JBL Speakers
B Side:
Dallas Arbiter Fuzz Face
into a '68 50 Watt Marshall Head
with a 4X12 Marshall Cabinet (Late '60's)

http://ericjohnson.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10&Itemid=8

Tube amp, check, tube pedal check (BK Butler tube driver, try it you'll never plug in a boss distortion/blues driver pedal again)
Analog fuzz face, check.
Analog delay, check.
T.C. Electronics Stereo Chorus -- what? yeah, digital and it's quality. They also make a floor board/rack, the G-system. I don't own it, I ran out of money. Most digital pedals are garbage, with a few exceptions, TC Electronics qualifies, at least with the chorus and tremelo models.

Like the sound of David Gilmour? Oh, look an entire site about creating his setup.
http://www.gilmourish.com/?page_id=273
Notice the same fuzz face pedals, same BK Butler tube driver.


Chinchen

climber
Way out there....
Sep 2, 2012 - 12:41am PT
Heres me playing Mandolin and singing in the band Im in called The Eastside 5.
I buit the mando..and would love to get some pedals for it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVXSx0qUAyk&feature=g-upl
Shack

Big Wall climber
Reno NV
Sep 2, 2012 - 01:32am PT
I'm considering pros/cons of a new fangled multi-effects pedal vs. a board made up of separate pedals.

Great question.
As far as pros and cons of the two different types of setups, there are some real advantages to using the the new digital multi-effects units.
For one thing, there is only one battery vs. many batteries or power supplies.
For guys who use a lot of different effects in different songs or switching effects during a song a lot, like in a cover band for example, they are a god send.
They are programmable. You can dial in the sound you want, and save it to a preset and there are usually 100+ presets. Plus, that sound will always be available. No more spending a bunch of time trying to remember the settings and what combination of effects to get that certain sound or that one you used for a particular song etc..

If you are using a lot of different individual effects boxes, this can be quite time consuming. When playing live using multiple boxes, you have to memorize the dance steps of stomping the different effects on and of and in the right sequence etc.

The only cons of the small cheaper digital units is that they tend to be quite noisy. Most "pedal" effects are fairly noisy though and it's just something you have to deal with. They are not studio quality!

They are fun tho. I have a Digitech myself and think it is fun to have all those effect available to play with. I also have a Cry-Baby and have had many different pedals including my favorite, the Fuzz Face! A must for Purple Haze!

That being said, If you are in an AC/DC cover band, you don't need one.
A Marshall JCM800 and an SG will do.

The real question is, what kind of sound are you looking for?
Are you looking for something to use for live gigs? for recording?

If it's just for messing around and goofing off with, I think they are well worth the money.

$50 at guitar center
aldude

climber
Monument Manor
Sep 2, 2012 - 04:20am PT

Just go with the Marshall & SG........


*actually the RP kicks ass when you don't want to blow out windows!!
Bill Mc Kirgan

Trad climber
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
Sep 2, 2012 - 10:23am PT
Great music and nice mando there Chinchen. How long have you been playing it? Big respects to you for building it uself....did you post any links to this on the whatyabuilding thread???


To the OP:

I learned to appreciate simple stuff and like pedals over the rack-mounted effects. Ultimately I gave up pedals, but when I was a pedal head I favored the MXR distortion +, Boss chorus, phase shifter (rarely used) and that's about it.




perswig

climber
Sep 2, 2012 - 10:34am PT
No help w/ the pedals thing, but...
nice acoustic stuff Murcy and Ron A, and always like the Eastside 5 vibe, Chinchen.

Dale
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Sep 2, 2012 - 12:40pm PT
Pickups and amp ARE the most important thing for good sound.

I have a fat strat (a custom built strat with seymour duncan humbcukers=fat sound) and it sounds much better than my 76 Les Paul.

I have a Marshall JCM 800 all tube amp. You can approximate the sound with digital, but never replicate the warmth, and awesome sustaining feedback you can get out of all tube.

I love digital for many things. For recordings and photo/video it's great. But I defineatly notice digital in my guitar chain, and don't like it. I had a multi effect digital processor but sold it.

The most important pedal to me is a Vox wah. You simply can't make wah sounds (ala Jimi Hendrix) without it. You can also use it as a volume pedal. You can leave it sitting with just a little bit of wah to get a cool sound.

I usually get enough distortion out of my amp but if I want the little extra push over the cliff I have a boutique 808 tube screamer. Boutique pedals are recreations of classic pedals by small shops using the same parts and techniques. Ibanez made the original tube screamer (and old originals are expensive), it gives you extra distortion for a tube amp without really changing the sound.

The I have a boutique version of the MXR Phase 90, this is the swirling sound Eddie Van Halen has sometimes.

And I have a digital delay. And although I like to effect of the various sounds you can get I hear the digital sound as soon as I turn it on, so I rarely use it. I need to get an analog delay.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Sep 2, 2012 - 01:03pm PT
nice walking bass on winter wonderland
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 2, 2012 - 02:15pm PT
funny .Vox wah is the only pedal I have.

Anyone play with looping pedals?
Chappy5150

climber
Denver, CO
Sep 2, 2012 - 02:49pm PT
i dont have any recordings converted-- i havent recorded since four tracks were replaced by computers. so if any of you have recs for a decent interface-- mike to mac -- pitch them out there.

I'd recommend the Apogee ONE. Great converters for the price. Also very easy to use with Garageband and Logic. I did a review on my Youtube channel (check the video below)

As for recommendations, I'm more of a metal guy, but keep things simple. The multi-effect pedals are garbage. As a rule of thumb, I will never purchase anything with Line 6 or BOSS on the box. What I've found is you will normally spend the money, only to replace them in the future. For cleans, delay and reverb pedals work great (think Maxon, Ibanez, MXR), along with a compressor pedal. For the dirty channels, overdrive pedals are the only thing I use (usually as a clean boost).

Seems like quite a few guitarists posting here, anyone care to post up audio or video of their guitar playing? I would love to hear it.

[Click to View YouTube Video]
Edwardmw

climber
Sep 2, 2012 - 02:57pm PT

Keep in mind, all who plug straight in to the amp, the sound guy at a live show, or the engineer in the studio is almost certainly putting effects on your guitar signal, EQ,compression,reverb, chorus and delay for solo's etc, so much for plugging straight in to the amp, the final product will probably not be a dry signal.
Minerals

Social climber
The Deli
Sep 2, 2012 - 03:02pm PT
^^^ Re. @ 1:51… There we go!!! Something that won’t put me to sleep! And tuned down to “C” no less. Nice tone and riffs at the end there with the lead channel, Chappy.

Edit: Killswitch fan?
Chappy5150

climber
Denver, CO
Sep 2, 2012 - 03:11pm PT
^^^ Re. @ 1:51… There we go!!! Something that won’t put me to sleep! And tuned down to “C” no less. Nice tone and riffs at the end there with the lead channel, Chappy.

Edit: Killswitch fan?

Thanks. I'm a huge Killswitch fan.
Minerals

Social climber
The Deli
Sep 2, 2012 - 03:22pm PT
Cool. Me too. Ever listen to the band “In Flames” and their 2000 album “Clayman”?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Flames

How about “Trivium”?
klk

Trad climber
cali
Sep 2, 2012 - 03:32pm PT
I'd recommend the Apogee ONE. Great converters for the price. Also very easy to use with Garageband and Logic.

tx. that's one of the ones i'd been looking at, but i don't actually know anyone who has one.

i'm going to try using reaper.
Chappy5150

climber
Denver, CO
Sep 2, 2012 - 07:14pm PT
Cool. Me too. Ever listen to the band “In Flames” and their 2000 album “Clayman”?

How about “Trivium”?

I'm a fan of In Flames, but not so much of Trivium. I think Trivium are great musicians, but I just can't get past the vocals.

i'm going to try using reaper.

I don't think the ONE works with reaper.

the lead player and self proclaimed band leader came up to us as we plugged in and told us to start with a CCR tune in a different key....No shyt...(a song that wasnt even on our fourty some length list mind you, which we were SUPPOSED to do in order.)

My response: "I only play in the key of rock, which happens to be in the same key we always play in..(starts song)"

It's beyond me why someone(especially a "leader") would do that just before you went on. There is a reason you practice and rehearse.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Mar 24, 2017 - 07:06am PT
So not where I was going with this but a worthy bump What does WH keep looking at at his feet?
[Click to View YouTube Video]
All through the video, Warren H, has his head down, turning to look at his rig?
mcreel

climber
Barcelona
Mar 24, 2017 - 08:29am PT
I've never been much into pedals, I play a strat with a Mesa Express amp. I used to have a wah pedal for Voodoo Chile, but got separated from it somewhere along the way. I recently bought a doohickey that lets me plug my guitar into Garage Band and Amplitude on an ipad. That is pretty cool, and has the virtue of letting you record, loop, use drum machine, etc., with minimal fussing around and maximum guitar playing.
i-b-goB

Social climber
Wise Acres
Mar 24, 2017 - 08:57am PT
Bang for the buck $329...

[Click to View YouTube Video]
Matt Sarad

climber
Mar 24, 2017 - 04:40pm PT
I use the following:

Boss Fender Reverb, Zendrive, Boss DD7 Delay, Electro Harmonix Small Stone phaser and Mini qtron.

These are run through a 1958 Tweed Deluxe using a Strat, SG with Throback pickups, Melody Maker with pafs, 1958 LP Jr., Lap Steel.

F*#ked up shoulder and head retired me from climbing.
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Mar 24, 2017 - 05:16pm PT
Edit: Everything at this link was me with a modeling unit of some type (Pod HD500 or old Line6 AX2 2x12), before I got my latest setup:
https://www.bandmix.com/6stringscott/


I've got the Fractal AxeFX II XL and MFC-101 foot controller and a pair of Atomic CLR full range flat response monitors. It is a wet dream for musical/electronic/gadget geeks, makes absolutely gorgeous tones at bedroom levels, but frankly it has been a bit challenging for me in a live band context with nobody but the vocals going to PA. The lead guitar player is a pure tube hard-liner, and is very critical of my tone. But in general, he is extremely opinionated and is often difficult to communicate with as a person, but I put up with it because he is a great guitar player and I can learn something from him. I think my tone challenge is caused by a few issues:
1) It is not easy to build from scratch a gorgeous sound with a modeler that cuts through the mix at gig/rehearsal levels, with other folks not cooperating to adjust their live tones to create room in the frequency spectrum for everyone else.

2) It takes a lot of trial and error to figure out what types of distortion or clean or edge of breakup tones will not get lost under the cymbals and other loud guitar player, and how to get enough meat in the tone without stepping on the bass player. A simple analog amp you have a few knobs: input, bass, mid, treble, maybe a master vol. There are tens/hundreds of things you can tweak in a modeler to emulate. For example, does it work better to use a -6dB or -12dB cutoff slope for low frequencies to emulate the guitar cabinet? Where should you set the cutoff frequency? 20Hz? 60Hz? 72Hz? 90Hz? 110Hz? 180Hz? Or anywhere in between or beyond? These are just the most trivial of knobs that are important to tweak in a modeler.

3) Fletcher-Munson effect causes the perception of sounds to change a lot as we make them louder. So if you tune a sound to be great at bedroom levels it can be sh!t at gig levels. People say that giving a mid-boost or trimming the highs and lows is the solution, but in my experience that is not enough because of the other tone shaping stuff and sitting in the mix with other instruments.

In short: if you are a geek and enjoy tweaking the sounds, have fun with the modeler. If you have the know-how and persistence, you will achieve tones as good or better than analog rigs and be consistent from show to show because of not relying on the vagaries of mic placement on your cabinet or where you set the knobs before. This all assumes you are playing venues big enough to mic a cab. Getting the "in the room" cab emulation is the hardest part unless you use a real cab rather than FRFR, but then you give up the flexibility to sound like any rig. I'm waiting on a XiTone open-backed cabinet that has a flat response up to 10kHz to see how this changes the equation for me.

If you just want to push the easy-button on the amp and play, and you play small venues where each musician controls their own volume direct with no mixing board, then you might be better off with a basic Fender or Marshall amp and a small pedalboard.


My continuing journey: just last week we ran me and the other guitarist through the mixing board, and I think this is going to unlock part of the puzzle that has been stumping me. I noticed that going through the PA, my tone in the mix sounds more similar to what it sounds like at home. I was doing unnatural things to my sound to get it to cut through the mix and be heard off-axis by the other musicians using my monitor as a backline, and it's too tricky to make intricate changes in the middle of rehearsal with other folks getting frustrated waiting. We'll see how it goes next week when I adapt my sound patches to this change of going through the mixing board.
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Mar 25, 2017 - 01:11pm PT

Boss DD-500 Digital Delay Pedal $300.00 Sweetwater, Guitar Center has them as well. Digital Delay Pedal with 12 Delay Modes, Customizable Control Settings, Graphic Display, Patch Memories, Phrase Looper, Selectable Buffered or True-bypass, and 32-bit/96kHz Processing

Plugged in next to it is a Boss DD-3 Digital Delay Pedal [older model] which makes the 500 even crazier. Digital Delay Effects Pedal with 3 Time Settings, Hold Function, and Level, Delay Time, and Feedback Controls

Not shown but a compressor can be added as well. In fact, add 15 other voices [noise] if you wish. I find that using the or buying the power supply rather than using the batteries does make a big difference.

Most now is software downloaded onto your laptop, quit a few to pick from:

iZotope is just one. Their RX Plug-in Pack $49.00 sale ends March 28. Online with their web site.

Dialogue De-noise: Easily reduce the noise floor and remove broadband noise from home recordings like air conditioner, traffic sounds, and more

De-click: Clean up vocal tracks by removing unintended clicks and mouth noises

De-clip: Salvage perfect vocal takes and performances that are clipping or distorting

De-hum: Get rid of the electrical hum, line noise from ground loops, and buzzes that can end up on multitrack recordings

As for getting that Satisfaction effect need one of these: The original FZ-1



chainsaw

Trad climber
CA
Mar 25, 2017 - 04:38pm PT
Hey Wade! Im playin alot of guitar these days too! We should meet at the leap this summer and jam. Effects pedals #1 important feature: when you are performing at a show, be it a bar or a wedding, that shyt better work. The interface must be user friendly and weildy. During a performance, the thing has to be easy to use so that the performer can focus on performance and not be distracted by fighting with their effects. At least thats my experience. The best effects I ever had were when someone else was mixing it in from the board so I didn't even have to think about it. But that requires a sound guy who knows your set. So make it easy to stomp on and jam. Example: Marshall ADA preamp with effects and a pedal. Old school, simple, easy to weild in performance setting!
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 25, 2017 - 09:56pm PT
ok good. years and beers and pedals later....this is still interesting to me.
what say y'all?

lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Mar 26, 2017 - 01:26am PT
Try getting a set of these you need both.

Cables balanced in polarity or unbalanced could be the problem.




Also an issue most all use batteries try using power supply might help.
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Mar 26, 2017 - 01:27am PT
Try getting a set of these you need both.

Cables balanced in polarity or unbalanced could be the problem.




Also an issue most all use batteries try using power supply might help.
c_vultaggio

Trad climber
new york
Mar 27, 2017 - 01:57pm PT
Anyone play with looping pedals?

Love the Boss Rc50, great for working out stuff in weird time sigs. An old vid with one of my fave guitars, archtop acoustic Takamine for those into that sorta thing:


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Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Mar 28, 2017 - 05:00am PT

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healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Mar 28, 2017 - 06:10am PT
zBrown, you should let your nephew know they're infected with a virus...

c_vultaggio

Trad climber
new york
Mar 28, 2017 - 07:13pm PT
Thanks dude - much obliged.
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