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Jaybro
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Wolf City, Wyoming
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Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 13, 2012 - 12:06pm PT
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Driving down alt 93 in the silver state hiking my kings rope hat to scratch my bald spot, and the topic came up again. Now given that their pantheon includes country honk, dead flowers, the girl withe far away eyes et al. The argument can be made (I suppose ) that those are legitimately country songs and them Britts could be said to be able to 'do' country.
The counter argument is, that bands like the Dead, Dylan, the flying burrito brothers etc actually 'do' country as part of their oveuere, ( a word not often used in country, even if i cant spell) where as the closest the stones do is be the stones performing a song with the elements of country.
We seem to be of two minds on this.
What y'all think?
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Aug 13, 2012 - 12:23pm PT
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Seem to remember a country sounding tune on "Some Girls". Far away eyes I think it was called. Check it out.
Peace
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jaaan
Trad climber
Chamonix, France
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Aug 13, 2012 - 12:29pm PT
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Read 'LIFE', Keith Richard's autobiography. It gives a fascinating look into all aspects of the Stones' existence. He refers to his musical influences from the very start to the present, throughout the book.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Aug 13, 2012 - 12:31pm PT
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hiking my kings rope hatto scratch my nald spot ^^^
Ummm. Wha?
Mick's voice just isn't country, and can't do country. No matter what the boys were playing behind him.
EDIT: I read Keif's autobio "Life" a year or so ago. It was ok, but didn't deserve all the hype and accolades it got IMO. I read Bill Wyman's a couple years before that and thought it was better.
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ydpl8s
Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
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Aug 13, 2012 - 12:33pm PT
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Well, the way I heard it was that those songs were country enough that Buck Owens sued them (not sure if anything came of it) after they had stopped and visited him in Bakersfield and he thought that they had stolen the essentials of some of the songs he was working on. Anybody else hear this story, is it just an urban legend?
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Roadie
Trad climber
Bishop, Ca
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Aug 13, 2012 - 12:38pm PT
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I did two tours with the stones in the 90s, rigging and lighting. On a few occasions I walked past the dressing rooms and heard them playing around with Woody Guthery and Hank sr stuff but never on stage. But when it comes down to it there are only two kinds of music: the good kind and all the rest.
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ionlyski
Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
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Aug 13, 2012 - 12:53pm PT
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It was actually Keith Richards who became fast friends of Graham Parsons, who is credited by some for inventing more or less "country rock". He was a huge influence on Richards and taught him the open string banjo tuning for guitar that Richards continued to use.
Parsons went on to discover for himself Joshua Tree and a little unknown gal named Emmy Lou Harris and influenced her music even to this day.
Arne
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ionlyski
Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
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Aug 13, 2012 - 12:54pm PT
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Fully agree with Roadie on the "good music and all the rest".
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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Anywhere I like
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Aug 13, 2012 - 01:18pm PT
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Somewhat... sweet Virginia comes to mind. Dead flowers played by townes van zant is another. As for them ' stealing' music I find that somewhat bogus. Of course they didn't create that style of music but they were moved by it enough to emulate it which to their credit turned on a whole generation of white bred kids in America to the African American blues coming from the porch es of country stores any one ever heard of John Jackson or John Cephas? Those guys were noticed by record scouts looking for the original sounds the Brits were playing. They found John Jackson( an incredible piedmont blues finger picker) on the porch of a country store in my Virginia home town. Look those guys up they're both dead but I was fortunate enough to see Cephas play and talk about all this. Once of the best shows I've ever seen
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Aug 13, 2012 - 01:19pm PT
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Yes. Really.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Aug 13, 2012 - 01:29pm PT
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Dead Flowers is a pretty good song. A honky tonk weeper a la one of the Hanks, but about heroin. I used to play it a lot.
But El Cap is right, Keith couldn't do the vocals. He was well aware of the issue, which is probably one of the reasons they didn't do more of them. Not that the rest of the crew seemed to have any idea what to do either-- those songs were panned by critics at the time and for good reason. Just compare any of their attempts at honky tonk to their work with older country blues-- night and day.
That said, I often have either Dead Flowers or CH in a playlist.
Unlike any of the Gram Parsons. GP has to be the most overrated figure in recent music history. Sort of an emo parody of the Louvin Brothers. The best thing he ever did was help Emmy Lou get started.
That tuning he supposedly taught Keith as just another version of the Vastopol tuning popularized by Warbler's great grampa. Tough to imagine someone as well versed in early blues as Keith was, didn't already know it.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Aug 13, 2012 - 02:35pm PT
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Had a friend, big country and western fan, who swore the best song the Stones ever did was "It's All Over Now" because it was just so Country!
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MikeL
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SANTA CLARA, CA
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Aug 13, 2012 - 02:46pm PT
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"It's all over now" is such a great song. I'm with Paul.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Aug 13, 2012 - 02:47pm PT
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Torn and Frayed.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 13, 2012 - 02:52pm PT
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Will +1!
-and thanks for the spelling tips
20 miles E of tonopah.....
Psst original p , note who gets the credit on love in vain....
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 13, 2012 - 03:10pm PT
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Can ya get from Tehachapi to here?
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Rhodo-Router
Gym climber
the secret topout on the Chockstone Chimney
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Aug 13, 2012 - 04:12pm PT
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Lowell George- the Gram Parsons of swamp rock!
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snow
Trad climber
Lowell, MA
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Aug 13, 2012 - 05:35pm PT
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You know, I was sitting there,
In my silk-upholstered chair,
talkin' to some rich folks that I know ...
and I realized -- great tune, but kinda crappy southern drawl on Mick's part
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harihari
Trad climber
Squampton
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Aug 13, 2012 - 05:37pm PT
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Country Honk is about as country as they get. And was written in Peru! Dead Flowers was written aboutNew York socialite Pana Graves (I may have spelled this wrong)who cultivated cOunterculture figures like the Stones, Burroughs etc during the '60s.
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S.Leeper
Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
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Aug 13, 2012 - 05:41pm PT
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they sang "bob wills is still the king" at their 2006 set in Austin.
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cintune
climber
Midvale School for the Gifted
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Aug 13, 2012 - 06:08pm PT
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I was so pleased to be informed of this
That I ran twenty red lights in his honor.
Thank you Jesus. Thank you Lord.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Aug 13, 2012 - 06:52pm PT
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Dead Flowers was written by Townes Van Zandt.
Edit KLK is right Stones original.
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Urmas
Social climber
Sierra Eastside
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Aug 13, 2012 - 07:05pm PT
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The Stones Was/is a stright up country band. Leaving aside the question of whether Mick can pull off an authentic southern drawl or not, he's trying to.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Aug 13, 2012 - 07:08pm PT
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wade-- i dont think so. townes covered it later. but the song was a stones original.
white freightliner blues is my favorite townes heroin song.
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Aug 13, 2012 - 07:12pm PT
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Can ya get from Tehachapi to here?
If you're willin'.
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Barbara Fredette
Trad climber
CA
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Aug 13, 2012 - 08:24pm PT
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Flying Burritos were the first to record their song Wild Horses. If you watch 'Fallen Angel" you'll see that Gram Parsons and Keith Richards hung out a bunch- probably where they got a bunch of their 'country' ideas. BTW, I hate Mick Jagger's southern accent. And- 'coulored radio' ??? What, are you from the 50's?
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james Colborn
Trad climber
Truckee, Ca
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Aug 13, 2012 - 08:36pm PT
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KLK- Graham Parson overrated? Shite. Take another listen!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 13, 2012 - 09:27pm PT
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Woo hoo, can't wait, Timid!!
BTW, I hate Mick Jagger's southern accent. And- 'coulored radio' ??? What, are you from the 50's? Now, remember this is the team the brought us the calculatedly abrasive, 'Some Girls,' 'Under my Thumb,'' 'brown Sugar,' etc. I think the things you bring up are absolutely intentional. And, a playfully snide backhand at US culture. ;)
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Aug 13, 2012 - 09:52pm PT
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http://youtu.be/ouFbOsRPCKE
One of my favs! The Rolling Stones - Dear Doctor
So country-----I need to get drunk!
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Aug 13, 2012 - 10:08pm PT
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KLK- Graham Parson overrated? Shite. Take another listen!
heh
that took awhile
yeah, just another rich hippy emo. he was as country as "shite." (sorry, couldnt resist.)
"grievous angel" is a great song-- but he didnt write it. "sin city" and "hickory wind" are good songs. let's push it a bit and say that "wild horses" is a good song. i don't think so, but i won't fight. that's three decent country songs. that's enough to make him a minor, forgotten song writer.
musically speaking, his rep rests almost entirely on his partying with the stones and the byrds and his partnership with emmylou. their duet on "love hurts" is cool, but it also (in hindsight) pointed the way toward that easy-listening destruction of honyky tonk in the late seventies.
i did like his nudie suit, though.
and back to the ot: "brown sugar" is the most country song the stones ever did.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 14, 2012 - 12:02am PT
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+2 Dingus!
Gonna check me out some Link Ray!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 14, 2012 - 12:27am PT
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Link Ray at first blush seems more of an influence on Dick Dale than the stones.....
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Aug 14, 2012 - 12:27am PT
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Link Wray was an influence on everybody, including Bo and Chuck and Dylan and Townes and ...
Oh yeah Jimi, God, Fahey, Bloomfield, ...
EDIT:
Oh yeah and Timid T -->
Not exactly hi-tech, but I was there (BTW Dick Dale played there too a few years earlier - kept breakin' strings).
Final Rumble, Glendale
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0hrobWkonE
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 14, 2012 - 12:39am PT
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Rocky Raccoon. And the Stones did a lot of borrowing from the Beatles.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Aug 14, 2012 - 01:37am PT
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All Over Now
The only song I ever sang on stage with a live rock band.
Killed it.
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Mike Friedrichs
Sport climber
City of Salt
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Aug 14, 2012 - 10:23am PT
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The Gram Parsons debate is interesting. I saw the documentary awhile ago and came away with the feeling that he was a spoiled, rich boy with no soul. Then I hear songs like A Song For You or Sin City and I think they're great, not good, songs. I mentioned this to Ed and he said, "then where did the soul come from?"
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 14, 2012 - 10:50am PT
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Encased in rubber, lifted from the Beatles....
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Tobia
Social climber
Denial
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Aug 14, 2012 - 10:52am PT
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No Soul? Have mercy.
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Mike Friedrichs
Sport climber
City of Salt
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Aug 14, 2012 - 11:32am PT
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You've got to admit that he comes across as a self-centered jerk, at least in the documentary. But the songs...
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 14, 2012 - 01:10pm PT
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Tonopah is little more than a bend in the road, but an interesting history.
Is this thread on topic because it is the "Stones"?
I don't see no marmot.
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Tobia
Social climber
Denial
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Aug 14, 2012 - 01:23pm PT
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He was a lost soul; but lord knows he had it.
He rarely finished projects he started, he was unreliable as a band-mate and had a way of distorting facts when relating them (basically he lied a lot; depending on his need at the time).
Take his life circumstances and see how well you would have faired in those times. Many people might not have succumbed to his fate; but a lot would have. His life was a tragedy by the time he was 16 or 17.
On the other hand he was extremely talented, he worked hard in his early years and he knew music. Country, Gospel, Folk, Rock'n'Roll. He achieved more before he was 16 than most musicians do in a lifetime. He knew how to sing, he knew what he wanted; he just didn't quite get there. He took the Byrds to places they never would have gotten without him, same with the Stones.
If you really want to get an understanding of him, read Twenty Thousand Roads by David Meyer. The documentary sheds little light on the person.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Aug 14, 2012 - 01:26pm PT
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^ The soul of the matter so to speak.
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Mike Friedrichs
Sport climber
City of Salt
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Aug 14, 2012 - 01:51pm PT
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Thanks Tobia. Just ordered Twenty Thousand Roads. Looks like a great read. I really like reading about lives like that, how they were influenced and what motivated them. I appreciate the reference.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Aug 14, 2012 - 02:08pm PT
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the meyers book is less a bio of parsons than a hagiography. he essentially claims that exile on main street was a gp project.
if we set aside the question of whether or not one personally likes the way parsons changed vocal aesthetics for country and gospel-- eliminating the twang, grit and regional accents in favor of a honeyed, layered sound that owed more to commercial folk music --and look at his actual accomplishments, the GP vita is remarkably slim. Three or possibly four good songs, a strong role in shaping emmylou harris, and partying with the stones. and persuading the byrds to record their least successful album.
folks can differ on whether they personally like honky tonk with the edges polished off. it doesn't matter. even if you do, it's a slim vita if you try and compare it it with those of folks from the same period doing similar musical innovation-- bob dylan, johnny cash, willie nelson, billy joe shaver, tony joe white. willie nelson's first demo collection had more great-- and musically important --songs on it than we could ever claim for GP. if you want him to be in the pantheon, you have to run him against folks at that level. and he didn't run at that level.
it's fine to like the way he sang and arranged. lots of folks do. but it's the jfk phenomenon. folks identifiy libidinally with whatever it is they think he stood for, and then, since he was young, rich, good-looking and died young, we can project whatever we want.
the real problem with the "country" and "rock" discussion is that it is generated entirely by marketing labels developed by the music and radio industries as they became corporate oligopolies. the labels didn't even exist prior to the emergence of corporate radio. you had to have the emergence of all those segregated consumer niches for them even to make sense-- the black musicians became r&b or soul or blues; the white guys playing r&b became rock, whites with southern accents and no drums became "country."
and then in the mid-sixties, the labels became politicized-- "country" meant butch wax, sexual repression, loathing of marijuana, and support for the war in vietnam; "rock" meant long hair, sexual freedom, smoking dope, and opposing the war.
so then it suddenly became a big deal to "mix" "rock" and "country." sociologically, it was a big deal. but musically, it wasn't.
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Mike Friedrichs
Sport climber
City of Salt
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Aug 14, 2012 - 03:34pm PT
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klk - some pretty insightful comments. I like reading what you have to say. sociologically, it was a big deal. but musically, it wasn't. I think that's true. I don't think that Gram Parsons really shaped the future or direction of country music.
But 3 or 4 good songs? He clearly wasted a lot of time and had no work ethic. They can't all be Bruce Springsteen I guess. But he certainly had talent and wrote more than 3 good songs. I sort of like Johnny Cash but as a song writer I think he's way overrated. GP has more good songs on one album than Johnny Cash wrote in his career. And, perhaps like GP, Johnny Cash didn't write his best song. I don't think GP has as many good songs as Townes, or Steve Earle, but they came later.
I think for me GP's songs have staying power. I still like them after all these years. For whatever reason, I don't feel that way about Willie Nelson's songs, or Johnny Cash's songs, or the Doors for that matter. And I'm still interested in what motivated him, at least in his early years.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Aug 14, 2012 - 07:21pm PT
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GP has more good songs on one album than Johnny Cash wrote in his career.
Ranking songs is difficult because popular musics are so personal and there aren't good criteria for evaluation, aside from commercial success. But that is one, and not irrelevant because it is popular music after all, or else is supposed to be if you're recording songs to be played commercially.
Then there are things like, does the song become a standard for live performers? Does it get covered by other performers? Is it musically influential or innovative? THose may or may not be easily measured, but if we use them we can get beyond the "i personally like this or that." and that's worth doing. for instance, i personally don't like bob dylan. i don't like many of the songs, i hate his voice, and what he did to the harmonica should be frickin illegal. but there's no way i would try to argue that he should get pushed down into the second or third tier of musical figures of the period.
johnny cash's first album (he was 23) featured rock island line, cry, cry, cry, wreck of the old 97, folsom prison blues, and i walk the line. he had already written-- or was writing --get rhythm, mean eyed cat, hey porter, big river. whether we like jc or not, almost every one of those songs was a commercial success, was endlessly covered by other performers on and off record, and established one of the most distinctive and (at the time) novel sounds in american music.
gp never ever had a hit. sin city, hickory wind and wild horses all got (and do get) covered. and emmylou recorded ooh las vegas (i actually like that song, but wouldnt make a big case for it.
doesn't mean folks shouldn't like gp. three really good songs is really good. and he certainly was a strong influence on emmylou and to some extent, the stones. but no, i don't see a case for putting him up in that top tier of folks.
but popular music is pretty personal, which is one of the reasons that it tends to generate fairly poor history. most band and star bios tend to be fan chronicles. so in fairness to meyers, i have to say that it's really not an easy genre to write in.
as for the soul question, it's not one i ask. lots of shallow as#@&%es make really amazing art. in fact, most of the most amazing art seems to get made by really damaged people. hey, narcissists suffer, too. and some of them are good at turning it into art. or athletic performance.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Aug 14, 2012 - 07:30pm PT
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speaking of covers.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
someone less lazy should put the bil keith/jim rooney version up on youtube.
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Tobia
Social climber
Denial
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Aug 14, 2012 - 08:49pm PT
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mikef,
I like reading the biographies also; at least the well written ones. I have read good ones about The Band, Neil Young etc.
KLK, I was addressing the statement of whether or not the man had "soul"; not the level of impact he had on the evolution of music.
I would have to disagree about the tone of the book Twenty Thousand Roads. It does anything but glorify Parsons; just the opposite. He pays credence to the chapters of Parson's life that deserve it; however he doesn't hold back any criticism of his shortcomings. He dispels a lot of the myth and idol worship of Parsons.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Aug 14, 2012 - 09:45pm PT
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hey there say, jaybro...
ever since i first heard the stones, they were/ae are a major like, due to the whole 'sound-mix' that they had, beat and all, and, in the list of music that i like (though my list is very versitile and branching into lot of stuff, and not a certain era, etc, only) they still are tops, there... i always could hear all kinds of variety/texture, so to speak, which i figured had been gleaned over the years from sooo many folks, as all musicians do when they are learning to put together what THEY love and how they want to be, as to who they WILL be... but:
but wow--i did not know that the stones did country :O ... but then,
i just considered them as 'good ol' rock and roll' (a mixture of many sounds)
perhaps wrongly?, though, but... i just figured country was like, well, the old country stuff--well, you know, simple 'down home foot stompin' stuff' so common before electric-growth and changes...
thanks for all the shares... learnling lots of stuff here at the ol' taco...
the links that i could do, i enjoyed, too, thanks so much...
oh, yes, and: did hear a 'stones' type voice-sound, and beat-sound, etc, too--the type that i liked...
course, that's me, and i sure don't know my music stuff like you all do, :)) ...
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Aug 14, 2012 - 11:51pm PT
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hey there say, Neebee - good to hear from you
Another in a continuing saga of Link Wray influences.
Jimmy (not Patty) Page Rumbling with Link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLEUSn8y9TI
At a session one day, using a pencil, Wray punched holes in the speaker of his amplifier, and thereby invented what guitar players know today as fuzz-tone
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Aug 15, 2012 - 12:15am PT
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some background on this thread...
while driving from Laramie to SLC we listened to the albums:
Beggars Banquet
Let it Bleed
Some Girls
Sticky Fingers
the next day Jaybro woke up with the Stone's playing in his head...
As we made our way Southwest from Ely to Tonapah I played the 10 versions of Willin' including the original by Little Feat and the earlier Byrd's (who I think recorded it before Little Feat) and a whole bunch of folk since then...
...at some point the issue of the Stones ever doing country came up...
now I put the Stones' country influence at the feet of Ry Cooder, who was a session musician with them in 1968 and 69, including Let it Bleed and Sticky Fingers... and interestingly played with Lowell George on the original version of Willin' (how's that for full circle!)
My thought is that Country Honk is the only original Stones country song, both Dear Doctor and Far Away Eyes are parodies of country songs... in my opinion.
How about this Jagger solo effort with Cooder on slide guitar
[Click to View YouTube Video]
an alternate take:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
and by the way, the original album release of Let it Bleed credited the Robert Johnson song Love in Vain to Jagger and Richards...
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Tobia
Social climber
Denial
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Aug 15, 2012 - 01:59pm PT
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I never thought of Ry Cooder as "country". It would be hard not to associate him with country music; since he plays the mandolin and he has either dabbled in or worked extensively in every other genre of music.
He, as well as Lowell George, were preeminent slide guitar players of the day. Both were in high demand as session players and other roles in the music industry. In those days the community of musicians was much smaller; especially the one centered in southern California. Lowell George spent more time in recording studios than he did playing.
Lowell George, as a band mate of Frank Zappa, crossed paths with Ry Cooder in the studio and as well in association with the good Captain Beefheart. Both also played with Richie Haywood, the drummer for Little Feat. Others would include Jack Nitzsche, Roy Estrada, Van Dyke Parks or anybody else hanging out in Laurel Canyon.
Willin' was a song written by Lowell George and Richie Haywood. Cooder's role in the original recording of Willin' is due to their friendship and the fact that Lowell George butchered his hand and was incapable of playing slide. The song was recorded in Lowell George's home with the aid of Russ Titelman on piano and Gene Parsons (Byrds) on the drums; but it was pared down for the album to Lowell George's vocals, acoustic guitar and Ry Cooder's slide guitar. The first release of the song was on Little Feat's debut album, Little Feat (sometimes referred to as the Hamburger Midnight album). At the time of it's release it was being covered by many bands; especially those playing in the L.A. venues.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 15, 2012 - 02:27pm PT
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I dunno Ed, that me from... sounds more like spoken word with a delta blues backing than country
Hmmm, looks like The Ballad Of Professor Boulder and the sportclimbing epidemiologist rope up at the Dylan Wall, is in the works!
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Aug 15, 2012 - 03:15pm PT
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and by the way, the original album release of Let it Bleed credited the Robert Johnson song Love in Vain to Jagger and Richards...
Ryland claims he originated the riff for Honky Tonk. I believe him over the Stones.
He was blown away by their debauchery and departed the sessions on not too good terms.
Dr. John doesn't get along well with the Stones either.
Rumour has it that George was willin' to have Link Wray play slide on that song, but he turned it down. Prolly just a rumour.
The truth will (not) out.
Did Link Wray ever do country, really?
Apparently so:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGb9aLO0-Ac
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ax3LA2D4fQ
Have you noticed how the real originators in the guitar world change their name?
Link, Ry, God, mathematical guitar genius ...
As long as I'm wandering, does anyone ever do Jitterbug anymore, really? Say like Big Arthur Mathews kid Little? Hot Diggity Dog.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLj6YKI8C2w
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Jaybro
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Wolf City, Wyoming
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 15, 2012 - 09:45pm PT
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Hmm, they drink Coors...maybe they Are country?
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Aug 15, 2012 - 11:44pm PT
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^and consume coke and whiskey too
not to mention blood tranfusions and dmt (not that guy, the other one)
i guess that's all that's left after the silver, gold, diamonds and time
and what could be more country than hell's angels and the devil and people get beat up with pool sticks and stabbed?
at 3:58 dogs got in free too, as long as they didn't piss off any angels (who whilst characterized as hardasses, were actually a very sensitive lot)
does that sound like a ry cooder riff?
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mouse from merced
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merced, california
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Aug 16, 2012 - 01:41am PT
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One of my favorite Stones stories is the one from the start of Keith Richards' Life. He talks about "Southern hospitality" and reflects on rednecks. Country Honk's their best attempt, if you will call it such, at country.
You guys might could try reading Life to get the low down on some country types who played with them on occasion. Bobby Keys is from Texas, as always a good place to be "from."
There's too many country groups who are way better than the old fossils, so who really would care if they put out a Sweetheart of the Rodeo of their own? Keith can do pretty much anything he wants and it's OK by me.
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ms55401
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minneapolis, mn
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Aug 16, 2012 - 02:07am PT
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stones are the weakest of weak sauce
they play country worse than they play American blues, which is almost unimaginable
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Tobia
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Denial
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Aug 16, 2012 - 09:29am PT
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I noticed the Coors can also. When that photo was taken you couldn't buy Coors anywhere east of the Mississippi or a line farther west. BITD, when living in New Orleans people would go snow skiing at Christmas and return with a trunk load of Coors. Being a rare commodity they would sell it for a premium and pay for the trip.
You were pretty hip if you had Coors in your icebox. I preferred the taste of Dixie to Coors; the toxins in the water down there added a certain bite to the brew. I forget how many un-kown toxins there were in the Mighty Mississippi at the time; but the # 193 sticks in my mind.
At least the photo proves the Stones were in-country.
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Jaybro
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Wolf City, Wyoming
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 16, 2012 - 10:10am PT
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As much as I hate to admit it, I used to bootleg stashes of colors from Wyoming back to California, during the embargo days. Have to be careful though, too much colors and you turn respooblikan, one of the reasons I had to quit drinking.....
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Stewart Johnson
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lake forest
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Aug 16, 2012 - 11:27am PT
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Factory Girl.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Aug 18, 2012 - 07:33pm PT
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Well T, as John Denver would say "thank God".
The burning Jagger issue for me is what did he really do with the acid-laced Baby Ruth at Dylan's house in Woodstock?
Yowsa.
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Tobia
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Denial
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Aug 18, 2012 - 09:29pm PT
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That is the strangest W Jennings song I ever heard. Just doesn't seem quite right.
Zb, Mick would never tell.
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zBrown
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Aug 18, 2012 - 10:14pm PT
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Did Bushwacker ever do Mick Jagger? In any event I hope the taste was to everbody's liking. Oh yeah and praise Jesus and Neebee and Jack Daniels. Special thanks to AayCeeDeeCee
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TwistedCrank
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Aug 18, 2012 - 11:49pm PT
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The Stones may have done some parodies of country.
They certainly did some parodies of rock and roll.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Aug 19, 2012 - 12:30am PT
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Did Canned Heat ever do country? Really!
You could say
yes
no
yes, but only at Woodstock (Jethro Tull on flute)
Still wonderin' about that Baby Ruth
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tom woods
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Bishop, CA
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Aug 19, 2012 - 12:54am PT
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Stones are great, and Dead flowers is a great tune. Country? Maybe?
Girl with Faraway Eyes is embarrassing, unless they are trying to make fun of country.
GP wrote some good tunes, but weren't the Dead doing "country rock" before Grievous Angel?
Anyway, if you go back far enough, rock and roll is just country like Carl Perkins and Chet Atkins, and if you go farther back than that, country music is a form of Irish and English music that came to America. If you count Texas swing, then you get to include Spanish and German oompa stuff.
So did the Stones play country? Not well, and not often, but if they play rock and roll than in that sense they do play country.
It's confusing so I decided along time ago, I'm going to like what I like, and not like what I don't like.
For you radiohead fans- how about this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb7S8-Iewi0
And they were heavily influenced by Buddy Holly- one of those early country/rock and roll player who was probably ripping off/influenced by others.
It's music. This is how it works.
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Jaybro
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Wolf City, Wyoming
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 13, 2012 - 09:01pm PT
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Wild horses, in the right hands, iscountry. Not that those stones still, ever did country!
Sitting here in rural Utah listening to KZMU, rock that when you're at Moab, the creek, mofo's! btw!
not only various country coverslip .WH but a bit from a new Stones release (almost wrote "LP" !) which seemed to rock!
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Tobia
Social climber
Denial
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Oct 14, 2012 - 06:44am PT
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↑↑ Now the question is did the Stones ever do "new country"?
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Mike Friedrichs
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City of Salt
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Oct 24, 2012 - 07:28pm PT
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Tobia
Just finished Twenty Thousand Roads. Really interesting and detailed. I enjoyed the book and learned some things. I don't think I like the author. He was all too eager to express his own personal feelings about people and other bands (why the intense hate-fest for the Eagles?).
I came to the conclusion that GP did in fact have soul. The scene that really brought it home to me was the funeral for Clarence White, where Gram interrupted the preacher and this sterile Catholic service at the gravesite and started singing. It sounds like many of the musicians at the service wanted something with more soul, but it took Gram to make it happen. And one by one they joined in with him.
No doubt that Parsons produced a pretty slim amount of, well anything relative to his talent. But the early death of both parents, his drug use, and his wealth sure explains a lot. I really appreciate the reference. It was a fun read.
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Tobia
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Denial
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Oct 25, 2012 - 06:25am PT
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Mike,
Glad you enjoyed the book. I agree about belittling other musicians; I think his attitude is that the Eagles, took the ball and ran; although they atered it some make it more mainstream. I like some of the early Eagles material and some of the later as well. They simply "FMed" it. I have ever thought much of Don Henley; he is a little too proud of himself.
If you haven't already, read Shakey by JImmy McDonough, Neil Young's biography.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Oct 25, 2012 - 06:38am PT
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It's so shocking to hear that Keith richards suddenly can't play blues.
F*#k the f*#k off, dude! Mate, chump, whatever...
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Mike Friedrichs
Sport climber
City of Salt
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Oct 25, 2012 - 10:11am PT
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I thought the Don Felder/Joe Walsh era Eagles were pretty good, but the early Eagles with Bernie Leadon were great. Desperado is still a great record from start to finish. It has a mood, or feeling to it that is hard to find..."21 and strong as i can be..." There's great three-part harmony, decent playing, and well-crafted songs. What's not to like?
I realize that this is blasphemy, but I think The Big Lebowski is by far the worst movie the Coen Brothers ever made (and I really like the Coen brother's movies). I actually walked out the first time I tried to watch it. When it achieved cult status, I rented it and suffered through the whole thing. Never again. Inane and pointless.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Oct 25, 2012 - 11:11am PT
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From what I hear, they're doing two countries in their next tour.
Good luck getting a ticket.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Oct 25, 2012 - 12:34pm PT
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Did C.W. Stoneking ever do Honky Tonk Woman?
I can't recall, but he sure could dance
that dobro sounds an awful lot like a banjo - too much Hokum
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Oct 26, 2012 - 12:07pm PT
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V4NoboSq6w
This is Country. It is about Balitmore. No irony.
Take Bakersfield and write a song and call it country. Everyday thing. What gives? You would think that the first would be ironic. It's not. It's still country because IT SOUNDS COUNTRY. Labels are stupid. There should be a labelizer in our head which labels things for us automatically. I think there is. It's run by the Bush family. They're the labelizers. Or if you wanta go country, call 'em the STampers. Never give a inch. Pure country.
You can take the city kid and make him country. You can take a country boy and turn him into some Rhinestone Cowboy.
Sometimes I lives in the country
Sometimes I lives in town
Sometimes I haves a great notion
To jump into the river an’ drown
I like Gram's idea. Rich as hell and still gotta be something else.
Sometimes I lives in the country
Sometimes I lives in town
Sometimes I haves a great notion
To jump into the river an’ drown
Here's a snapshot of the real CW and his peer group. Too much Haiku.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Oct 26, 2012 - 01:26pm PT
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Real CW, wrong Dobro.
"No, you can't ever fake being weak. You can only fake being strong. . .”
He's cool Hank Stamper, a man who lost two fingers in a logging accident (his wife Vivian didn't find out until she takes off his gloves).
Never played country in Junta, just read.
". . .No, a book wasn't invulnerable to the appearance of its cover, not by any means.
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Jaybro
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Wolf City, Wyoming
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 26, 2012 - 01:29pm PT
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Is there a source for this 'keith can no longer play the blues' rumor?
Oh well Mike. Ed, didn't like Repoman either.
Both works of Genius, in my book.
See you in a few hours, I hope
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Keith said words to the effect that undersstanding the blues be essential to playing rock and roll or any form of pop.
Wherever he's at, it's the Country for Old Men Who Refuse to Give a Inch.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Mr. Richards' take on it (Mr. Jones (familiar - no?), seconding that emotion)
Was Jimi really ever a papa?
Was Richard really ever the fifth Beatle?
Was Bo really ever Don & Phil's brother?
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 16, 2015 - 10:48am PT
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Had a friend, big country and western fan, who swore the best song the Stones ever did was
"It's All Over Now" because it was just so Country!
--paul roehl
Two people immediately agreed, nobody offered to play it.
Here's the most country-sounding version I could find of this oldie that dates back to the days when the Stones first appeared.
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zBrown, you crack me up!
It was Harding who claimed to be Bo's bro!
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Gary
Social climber
Hell is empty and all the devils are here
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Nov 16, 2015 - 11:12am PT
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Country singers don't even do country anymore.
That is the strangest W Jennings song I ever heard. Just doesn't seem quite right.
At my last piano lesson, we were flipping through a fake book when I spied Mammas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to Be Cowboys, which I thought was rather odd. My teacher had never heard or heard of the song.
So she played it in a jazz style. It was very interesting.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Nov 16, 2015 - 11:17am PT
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Was Richard really ever the fifth Beatle?
One of many fifth Beatles.
McCartney said it was Brian Epstein.
Harrison said it was NY dj Murray the K.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 16, 2015 - 12:46pm PT
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Marlow's video cannot be played in the USA.
Bob Wills It.
Must have to do with royalty payments...
The Pete Best Band raises another question?
Who is the second Best drummer, I'd like to know?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 11, 2017 - 08:20am PT
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They can play the blues though;
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slabbo
Trad climber
colo south
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Jan 12, 2017 - 10:58am PT
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I was just listening to some of this..really good stuff
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Jan 12, 2017 - 04:44pm PT
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One of many fifth Beatles.
McCartney said it was Brian Epstein.
Harrison said it was NY dj Murray the K.
Billy Preston?
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Reeotch
climber
4 Corners Area
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Jan 12, 2017 - 05:13pm PT
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Check out Keith's licks on Last Time, pretty country:
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But, country music was just too tame for the Stones, even in the early days. Listen to the guitar solo on this one:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
These two songs went back to back on one of their first greatest hits albums.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jan 12, 2017 - 07:48pm PT
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Last Time is the same one from the Out of Our Heads original album,
One of my favorite Stones tunes. I'm not hearing anything country in it now, didn't 't then,
That's how strong my love is.
Country? Try the West Coast or Broadway
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