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DanaB
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CT
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Jul 22, 2012 - 08:42pm PT
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"Oooh, look at my Fido. Don't worry, he's just being friendly/lovable/affectionate/curious, etc."
As the dog proceeds to:
bark
whine
growl at people
fight with other dogs
get underfoot
lay down on ropes, packs, clothing etc
steal food
piss on or around personal possessions
shit on trail
knock stuff over like water bottles
beg for food
sniff crotch
hump leg or other body part
slobber on/lick me
dislodge rocks
chase wildlife
park themselves on your pad whilst cruxing
walk below you whilst cruxing whilst bouldering
bite people
fart dog farts
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Jul 22, 2012 - 09:00pm PT
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My dog prefers to watch me climb and hang close to me for some reason. She really doesn't give a hoot about anyone else beyond her family.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Jul 22, 2012 - 09:10pm PT
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I love dogs. I don't own one though. Thing is I'm too busy climbing, snowboarding, working, sledding, living to take care of the responsiblities that a pet brings.
I have met several awesome crag dogs in my years, well trained mutts that laze about at the base of the cliffs and don't get into much trouble. Typically though, they act mostly like you guys are saying.
Here's one of the good ones..
Khyber lazes at the bottom as Rick climbs sdr 5.9
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Blissab
Trad climber
Westhampton, MA
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Jul 22, 2012 - 09:11pm PT
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Some people should not be brought to the crags. They should also be left at home.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jul 22, 2012 - 09:27pm PT
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Ooh, found this in the California law books. Plus he was trespassing on private land which also allows my dog the right to bite him.
Assumption Of The Risk As a Defense in Dog Bite Attacks.
The actions of the dog bite victim prior to the dog attack are also important in determining whether a dog owner will be held liable. Even if the victim is lawfully on private property, the dog owner is not liable if the dog bite victim kicked, teased, or otherwise provoked the dog. In such instances a dog owner may raise the defense that the victim invited the injury by her conduct and therefore assumed the risk of the dog attack. The key factors are the dog bite victim's knowledge and appreciation of the danger and a voluntary acceptance of the risk of being bitten.
Also admissable will be that you had planned it in advance "with malice aforethought" and announced it on an internet blog as your plan.
Oooops.
Your scenario does not include DELIBERATELY launching the dog into an attack, when they had been restrained.
You may think this stuff is simple, but it is not. In any case, the dog is removed from you while the trial takes place, which may take a year.
But more fundamental is that your story makes no sense. What are you leaving out? Leaving out crucial information does your credibility no good.
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Jul 22, 2012 - 09:56pm PT
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:) Location: Wilson Ranch is located a block away from my home. There is trail that crosses it, goes around the main house into the orchards past the duck pond that takes you to the river bed. People involved, baby being carried in a baby bjorn, GSD on leash, Ranch owner who is also an artist welding something in his shed, and rock throwing psycho dude.
This is the ranch. At the bottom right corner is the pond and then it leads to the main path that follows the river bed. It's private property which I have been given permission to walk through.
This is some of the owner's art work, a memorial for two officers that saved half the town from the St. Francis Damn disaster.
This also the gate he made that you have to pass in order to get into his property. This is what he does for a living and why he lives in his shed.
This is my corner of the woods. Pretty eh?
I have no idea what I must have left out. Seriously, no idea about the guy's motive. I don't have the ability to read minds or understand why the appearance of a dog would provoke rock throwing. Loki was busy smelling the trail. I call it dog vacuuming. I was listening to my ipod, baby was just there for the ride, literally. I have no idea who the guy was, never seen him before though now I'll remember him forever. Some things stick.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jul 22, 2012 - 10:20pm PT
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If some dude threw a rock near my baby he be lucky if I unleashed my dog on him instead of me.
Don't worry Anastasia you were in the right no matter what the haters say. Even if they took your dog away for a year defending your families safety is every persons ultimate right.
PS it is really pretty and those sculptures are fantastic.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Jul 23, 2012 - 01:39am PT
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Some people should not be brought to the crags. They should also be left at home.
LOL
+1
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jul 23, 2012 - 01:50am PT
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Leave your dog at home, please.
Thank you.
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Pennsylenvy
Gym climber
A dingy corner in your refrigerator
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Jul 23, 2012 - 02:01am PT
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Kenygl
Trad climber
Salt Lake City
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Jul 23, 2012 - 10:01am PT
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I'd rather have dogs at the crag than some snot nosed little bugger eatin', whining, poorly pottie trained children. Some of which are in their 20's and 30's.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Jul 23, 2012 - 10:13am PT
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I leave my dog at home, since I don't believe that it's a good venue for her. I'd rather not combine activities to the detriment of others. Go take your dog for a nice walk someplace else. You'll enjoy it, I'll enjoy it, and nearly everyone else will enjoy it.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jul 23, 2012 - 10:15am PT
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Yes, bring your dog just leave your Fish behind,
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jul 23, 2012 - 10:25am PT
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Since some people don't want any dogs because it bothers them lets go ahead and get rid of all the folks that might offend anyone too.
Smokers. Even if you keep the smoke away from me you may throw your butts on the ground. Out with them.
Slow climbers. Come on, clogging up the good routes. Ban them!
Parties of 3: see slow climbers.
Whiners, hang doggers, dirtbags, drunks, trustafarians, etc. Out, out, out!
Also, hot women can be a distraction to noob belayers, get rid of them too... wait a minute what am I saying?!
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jul 23, 2012 - 11:01am PT
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superb troll. photo straight out of an old pacific steamer chest.
"love me, love my dog." if you're perfectly lovable, there won't be a problem.
two notable exceptions:
1. frumy is not lovable, but seems to get away with this bigtime. send him a private email for tips.
2. all climbing venues within a 45-minute drive of bishop, california, require dogs.
a hundred posts and not a further peep from the OP. ever notice how the best trolls always involve dogs?
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Jul 23, 2012 - 11:25am PT
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an owner asked me to keep an eye out for his nearsighted chow mix who had wandered away. i missed clue one. when i recognized the limping dog, and caught up with him, he must have felt pursued. i hunkered down and while cooing softly, offered my second most favorite hand for an introductory sniff.
no warning, he chomped it like a viper. makes a good hook now, just doesn't close any more. i can make the a-ok sign, plus pinkie pitches in, but that doesn't even make for secure one handed driving. yes the dog ate my crimp.
just wanted to pass this along to climbers, who whether they are aware of it or not, love their hands as much as musicians do but don't discuss threats to them and might not have insured them for career ending loss.
don't gamble the future of your functionality on some unpredictable canine thought process
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Jul 23, 2012 - 12:15pm PT
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Pfft, Biscuit (RIP) could lead harder slabs than most of the wankers posting that they hate dogs LOL.
Check it out.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
ps, I have a Terrier too. She goes out when I'm by myself in areas where I know I'm the only human for miles, stays at home otherwise. If folks want to bring their dogs, bring them if they are social I say. Most dogs seem a hell of a lot better behaved than humans. If you have a dog that snaps, barks, and is unsocial plan on being (rightfully) ostracized and criticized.
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Jul 23, 2012 - 12:17pm PT
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I should always leave her at home, right? No more Search and Rescue training. No more socialization so she's comfortable in all situations. Seriously people, when you need a dog to save your butt, how do you think they develop the skills to do just that?
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Jul 23, 2012 - 03:08pm PT
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Biscuit's corpse was found Toadgas. It appears that even his final act was selflessness, as he became one with the food chain: having unexpectedly met a cougar. No one was there to see it.
This is why I always try and take a dog (or 2) out while solo hiking having been stalked once myself. This is the one (below) which I often refer to as "Cougar Bait". Hopefully the combo of man and dog will deter any hungry cougars who are generally known to avoid both man and dog.....
We were out 2 days back in cougar territory as my son and buddy climbed in an isolated spot the dog and I hung out below. It reminded me that a buddy had seen what he described as "large cougar tracks" on the trail right at the base of that cliff last year. Adam and I had seen something which resembled a cougar ducking off the road the same year a scant few miles from the cliff as we were heading up. I say "resembled" as it in all other respects appeared identical to every other cougar (Tawney color, silky moments, identically shaped) except that it seemed much larger. For myself: I enjoy the feeling that I'm not the top of the food chain, that there are wild things out there where I need to have my A game on for at all times and thus I don't carry a gun in the woods for that very reason, however, the pup loves heading out to the woods, and it takes that edge of fear off a notch when she's there.
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