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ncrockclimber

climber

The Desert Oven

Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 16, 2012 - 04:03pm PT

Check it out:

http://www.supertopo.com/inc/view_profile.php?dcid=ODozPDs_PCA,

"This member's account has been deactivated."

BAM! No tears here, but curious as to what got him banned this time.

michaeld

Sport climber

Sacramento

Jul 16, 2012 - 04:03pm PT

He was probably acting like a freakin tool.

Pun!?

survival

Big Wall climber

Terrapin Station

Jul 16, 2012 - 04:06pm PT

That's funny, considering he's so right about everything.....

I'll post this, just because he can't talk back for a minute.

LONG LIVE IRAN!!!!!

nature

climber

SoSlo, CO

Jul 16, 2012 - 04:06pm PT

wow.... the cleaver comes down.

No surprise.

The endless attacks and almost stalking of Norton was to the point of disturbing.

Edit: so who had the red button today?

Jon Beck

Trad climber

Oceanside

Jul 16, 2012 - 04:07pm PT

The Tool gets tooled. Was it the Norton nonsense that got him banned?

guido

Trad climber

Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific

Jul 16, 2012 - 04:08pm PT

I think he just up and quit when he discovered that being a Republican was a pre existing medical condition that will NOT be covered under Obamacare.

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Jul 16, 2012 - 04:08pm PT

Will sidmo be next? Who's gonna hold the pot?

Wayno

Big Wall climber

Seattle, WA

Jul 16, 2012 - 04:09pm PT

Jeff needs to grow. We all need to grow. Sometimes this forum is not the best place to encourage growth.

atchafalaya

Boulder climber

Jul 16, 2012 - 04:17pm PT

33,710 posts, and not a creative or intelligent thought in one of them. That must be some kind of record.

nature

climber

SoSlo, CO

Jul 16, 2012 - 04:18pm PT

his last post was at 10:57AM PST.

only took two hours to notice him MIA?

LMAO!!!!!11111

Bob D'A

Trad climber

Taos, NM

Jul 16, 2012 - 04:24pm PT

Glad he is gone... he had a acute case of diarrhea of the keyboard.

drljefe

climber

El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson

Jul 16, 2012 - 04:30pm PT

I never saw much of his crap but what I did see was lame.

There are many posters here that inspire me, for one reason or another.
That dude never did anything for me.

nature

climber

SoSlo, CO

Jul 16, 2012 - 04:31pm PT

33,710 posts is diarrhea of the keyboard?

Big Mike

Trad climber

Jul 16, 2012 - 04:31pm PT

Funny... Locker said this last night,

He was already BOOTED for being an idiot, then returns with the same sh!t...

He is NOT posting "Positive" stuff as requested by CMac and really isn't contributing much of anything besides negativity...

This is ONLY my opinion and NOT to be taken with anything more than a single grain of salt...

I agree with whomever wrote above that it's more HARRASSING than "Trolling"...

My first thought after reading it was "That guys is going to get canned again" and then this morning he did. I think locker had the red button this time! ;)

rottingjohnny

Sport climber

mammoth lakes ca

Jul 16, 2012 - 04:32pm PT

....Hail to the ayatollah...! Take that fatty....Bwaaahhhhaaa...GOP , GOP....Don't let the door knob....RJ

zBrown

Ice climber

chingadero de chula vista

Jul 16, 2012 - 04:33pm PT

Fattrad Bannagin. Isn't he the guy who used to lie all the time on Satuday Night Live?

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 16, 2012 - 04:36pm PT

Well, well, well.

Sadly, I can't say I'm going to miss him, and without a doubt, he made this happen for himself.

Vaya con GOP, fattrad.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber

mammoth lakes ca

Jul 16, 2012 - 04:39pm PT

Fatty Banagan...Yeah...that's the ticket....I had lunch with Mitt Romney the other day ...and yeah ...he promised to make me editor in chief of the , yeah...Contra Costa times......

this just in

climber

north fork

Jul 16, 2012 - 04:43pm PT

Great more banning. You guys are lame. Now who will you guys argue with?

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 16, 2012 - 04:53pm PT

"Now who will you guys argue with?"

fattrad's contribution didn't even really rise to the low level of 'arguing'- 96% of it was namecalling back & forth. Any such contributions from anyone are not useful...I'd be happy to see them all go away.

tornado

climber

lawrence kansas

Jul 16, 2012 - 04:55pm PT

WhooooHooooo!!!!!!!

nature

climber

SoSlo, CO

Jul 16, 2012 - 04:57pm PT

Hi Silver!

Bye Silver!

come back soon!

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 16, 2012 - 04:57pm PT

Ron, you are nowhere close to the kind of negative contributor that fattrad was.

Trad climber

Jul 16, 2012 - 04:57pm PT

Great more banning. You guys are lame. Now who will you guys argue with?

Agree 100%. Banning sucks even if it is Fatty.

nature

climber

SoSlo, CO

Jul 16, 2012 - 04:58pm PT

yeah ron, you have only 1/3 as many negative posts as fatty ;-)

Agree 100%. Banning sucks even if it is Fatty.

His attacks and stalking of Norton is what sucks. If he understood the better part of discretion we wouldn't be having this discussion.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 16, 2012 - 04:59pm PT

"Banning sucks even if it is Fatty."

Cool...go start your own forum, invest tons of time & money into it, and run it any way you want.

survival

Big Wall climber

Terrapin Station

Jul 16, 2012 - 05:03pm PT

Ron knows how to talk serious climbing.

Not like the kind that Senator Iam Jackinoff told him about over lunch at the save Israel luncheon because they are so underrepresented, you know compared to the Iranian people that I love it's just their leaders that are trying to destroy the world not the peace loving democracy that we bring to Afghanistan Pakistan Iraq and soon the other countries that don't believe in the clash......

Majid_S

Mountain climber

Bay Area , California

Jul 16, 2012 - 05:08pm PT

fatty

we are not done with WWIII discussion yet so get the fake ID and return and finish the Clash of civilization business.

You can always ask CMac to let you in under certain rules and defiantly with some 2-5 year probation

nature

climber

SoSlo, CO

Jul 16, 2012 - 05:09pm PT

It was obvious from the moment he was reinstated that it was only a matter of time before he got escorted out the door again.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1746405&msg=1822009#msg1822009

guess we know who has the red button.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 16, 2012 - 05:09pm PT

"Fatty has contributed time and $$$ to folks here has he not? I saw the back and forth tween Norton and Fatty and yes it was all tacky. But many of us have been so on numerous occasions."

Regarding contributions...yeah....about 35,000 of them, to be exact.

Yeah, he has something of a history of a positive presence at FL, and possibly some other climber-related interests (although it's hard to discern what he says vs. what he actually does).

Far and away, though, the bulk of his presence in the last two years has deteriorated into really stoooopid negativity. Very few ST'ers have had a similar 'record' of the kind of pointless, childish banter that has become fattrad's ST persona.

couchmaster

climber

pdx

Jul 16, 2012 - 05:12pm PT

Majid wrote:

"we are not done with WWIII discussion yet so get the fake ID and return and finish the Clash of civilization business."

I concur Majid. generally I stayed away from the "Democrats are as#@&%es whereas Republicans are also as#@&%es and I'm always right threads" so maybe I missed a lot of the action you dudes were seeing. Hope he comes back. Maybe a Fattrad appreciation thread is in order to line up and remember the positive things he did (and there were many).

Crimpergirl

Sport climber

Boulder, Colorado!

Jul 16, 2012 - 05:27pm PT

Contributing money or time does not buy one the ability to break the rules. I'm glad it doesn't.

Fatty knew what got him banned before. He knew he got one more chance. He continued the same behavior. I am sure the only thing surprising to him is that it took ST that long to axe him.

Trad climber

Jul 16, 2012 - 05:31pm PT

"Banning sucks even if it is Fatty."

Cool...go start your own forum, invest tons of time & money into it, and run it any way you want.

Really? Because of that statement I should go start my own forum? Thats hilarious and sad.

monolith

climber

albany,ca

Jul 16, 2012 - 05:31pm PT

What got him banned the first time was spreading the non-climbing posts to CMac's thread.

What got him banned this time was going after Norton in such a personal and repetitive way.

survival

Big Wall climber

Terrapin Station

Jul 16, 2012 - 05:33pm PT

Can we all line up at facelift, flash a BA and yell NYAH NYAH NYAH?

Or maybe we can get some sort of cool sign to hang around his neck?

Curt

Boulder climber

Gilbert, AZ

Jul 16, 2012 - 05:33pm PT

his last post was at 10:57AM PST.

only took two hours to notice him MIA?

LMAO!!!!!11111

...and his last post was to me. Gosh, I feel somewhat honored. Haha.

Jul 16, 2012 - 10:57am PT
Curt,

I havn't been in tax practice in many years, would you mind doing the research and finding the IRS codes which promote the outsourching of jobs.

I'm not aware of any.

TheTool

Curt

the Fet

climber

Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La

Jul 16, 2012 - 05:37pm PT

I hate to see Fattrad/Jeff banned altogether.

If you took out his posts to political threads and only looked at his posts on climbing threads he'd be a normal contributor to this site. Unfortunately that was the minority of his posts.

Like many highly political people they tend to be less empathetic and their debates often degrade into name calling and just shouting about why they are right instead of really listening to anything the opposition has to say.

I hope he comes back and voluntarily abstains from all political threads.

As soon as I saw this thread I knew there would be comments that it was because of his political persuasion. That's BS, from what I've seen when people get banned it doesn't matter what someone believes as long as their posts are respectful.

nature

climber

SoSlo, CO

Jul 16, 2012 - 05:50pm PT

His last post:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1878602&msg=1878657#msg1878657

Are you proud of yourself fattard? Stalked him so much he actually did leave.

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Jul 16, 2012 - 06:03pm PT

The most fun people have around here is speculating about the last of the ( ALL TOO FREQUENT) bannings. Fattrad and I couldn't be further apart in our politics but I've always felt that his shock jock posts were more in fun than serious. There are more than a couple of people here who can attest to Jeff"s generosity. Bring him back.

Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Jul 16, 2012 - 06:09pm PT

Clearly the strutting bully persona online is very different from the man in person. But he knew the score and that this would happen. It wasn't enough to motivate him to reel it in. For some addictive situations, abstinence is the only cure.

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Jul 16, 2012 - 06:27pm PT

Au contraire ...... when it comes to Everest, money is the ONLY thing that will guarantee you a seat at the table. Maybe another example would work better.

Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Jul 16, 2012 - 06:29pm PT

But that table itself, is a movable feast!

Crimpergirl

Sport climber

Boulder, Colorado!

Jul 16, 2012 - 06:30pm PT

Well stated Jaybro. :/

nature

climber

SoSlo, CO

Jul 16, 2012 - 06:35pm PT

I wonder if he knew the score? It almost seems like he thought he was immune. Perhaps the first reinstatement added to his delusion.

Curt

Boulder climber

Gilbert, AZ

Jul 16, 2012 - 06:38pm PT

Not sure Fatty's brain is wired right. When proven wrong, he would usually just reply with "you're an idiot" and then change the subject. Odd bird...

Curt

ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Trad climber

San Francisco, Ca

Jul 16, 2012 - 06:40pm PT

I think it would be nice for the banned to say some last words. A poignant goodbye or a reflective comment on how things came to the whacking-- or just telling us to f*#k off.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 16, 2012 - 06:45pm PT

"I wonder if he knew the score? It almost seems like he thought he was immune. Perhaps the first reinstatement added to his delusion."

When he returned after his first booting, he was clearly contrite- it seemed very obvious he 'knew the score'. All too quickly, though, he slipped back into the same predominantly negative bullshit that was certainly related to his booting.

I doubt he'll be back, either. CMac & co are certainly wiser than that, and to my recollection, fattrad never created an alter-avatar (Rox or LEB-style). Doesn't seem likely he'd start now.

blahblah

Gym climber

Boulder

Jul 16, 2012 - 06:51pm PT

I think it would be nice for the banned to say some last words. A poignant goodbye or a reflective comment on how things came to the whacking-- or just telling us to f*#k off.

Well it's not as if you have to be some sort of hacker just to create another account--didn't he do that before? [Edit--I think I was thinking of RJ]

The conspiracy theorist in me suggests that the CMac is loath to ban Fattrad and his ilk. It's obvious that he increases site traffic; he's the heel that we all love to hate, over and over.

monolith

climber

albany,ca

Jul 16, 2012 - 06:55pm PT

Fattrad created another account after his first banning.

TheTool

Notice who he goes after in his first post.

ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Trad climber

San Francisco, Ca

Jul 16, 2012 - 06:55pm PT

When I get banned I guess that is what I will do. I'd just like to say my final piece under my own avatar.

Crimpergirl

Sport climber

Boulder, Colorado!

Jul 16, 2012 - 06:57pm PT

He created and used the avatar "The Tool" after the last banning. He said he did it because he didn't understand why his "Fattrad" account wasn't working.

And agreed Blahblah. I don't think Chris Mac likes banning anyone. One has to really push it to get the axe here.

edit: cross posted with Monolith.

nature

climber

SoSlo, CO

Jul 16, 2012 - 07:00pm PT

you can bet now he knows why his account doesn't work.

bwaahahahahaaaaaaa!

you can also bet he's reading these threads and feeling the love.

bwwwhahahahahaaaaaaa.

always wrong. always.

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Jul 16, 2012 - 07:02pm PT

Not so sure about the reticence with the axe....I am sure that this thread has wings.

Captain...or Skully

climber

Jul 16, 2012 - 07:03pm PT

If someone walked up to a campfire & started raggin' on ya(and kept it up after you told him to quit it), you'd run him off, right?
'Nuff said.
Have a nice day.

Mighty Hiker

climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Jul 16, 2012 - 07:06pm PT

In a sense, the banning of FatTrad, and before him of others - temporarily or permanently - reflects poorly on us. Yes, it's deserved. At the same time, it shows the weakness of internet 'communications'. There's no self-corrective mechanism, unlike most other forms of communication. If our little community worked as it ought, we would have figured out some way to correct FatTrad's objectionable behaviours. It's a communal weakness.

It's odd in that a community that puts so much effort into cleaning up others' messes at things like the FaceLift, can't clean up an internal mess.

Wayno

Big Wall climber

Seattle, WA

Jul 16, 2012 - 07:07pm PT

My only run in with Jeff was when he let me have A5 hammer #222 because it was my birth date. I usually didn't feel a need to react to his obvious jabs. I won't miss him, but I still owe him some wine.

monolith

climber

albany,ca

Jul 16, 2012 - 07:09pm PT

He was asked several times to stop the Norton attacks. That empowered him even more because he knew he was having an impact. He thought he was invincible.

Brokedownclimber

Trad climber

Douglas, WY

Jul 16, 2012 - 07:10pm PT

I'm really reluctant to see anyone banned, but there have been exceptions. The one exception that comes to mind is Medusa, and he really went over the line of sociocultural propriety by attacking Crimpergirl. There have been others who needed to be chastised somewhat, and A. Crowley comes to mind in that regard, since his behavior was boorish in the extreme.

For those of you irritated by Fattrad, LEB, Norton, and a host of others...grow up and GET A LIFE. Adults should be capable of emotionally dealing with various B.S. personae.

go-B

climber

2 Timothy 1:9-10

Jul 16, 2012 - 07:13pm PT

strike two!

nature

climber

SoSlo, CO

Jul 16, 2012 - 07:15pm PT

two strikes you are out.

Nortons last post:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1878602&msg=1878657#msg1878657

Brokedownclimber

Trad climber

Douglas, WY

Jul 16, 2012 - 07:16pm PT

locker-

I wasn't aware of that...another excursion beyond the pale.

nature

climber

SoSlo, CO

Jul 16, 2012 - 07:23pm PT

yeah, fattard was being nothing short of a dick with respect to norton.

philo

Trad climber

Somewhere halfway over the rainbow

Jul 16, 2012 - 07:25pm PT

On a positive note...

this

is

the

end.

zBrown

Ice climber

chingadero de chula vista

Jul 16, 2012 - 07:25pm PT

^ I think that would be the tail end. No?

10b4me

Ice climber

dingy room at the Happy boulders hotel

Jul 16, 2012 - 07:45pm PT

maybe fattrad, and CMac can make up at FL.

Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Jul 16, 2012 - 07:47pm PT

I hope Norton comes back,now that the coast is clear.

ncrockclimber

climber

The Desert Oven

Topic Author's Reply - Jul 16, 2012 - 08:07pm PT

maybe fattrad, and CMac can make up at FL.

Seriously? Soon after the first time Fatty was banned, his office got burglarized. He gave the cops CM's name. He bragged about it via messages to a few people here. He joked that he would have his "revenge." IMHO, that was a total dick move! It was just one of many from Fatty. For that and a lot of other reasons, I am glad to see his lying, trolling ass kicked to the curb.

Fatty's presence here was like a turd in a punchbowl. Seldom did he post anything that was not political, and the vast majority of his political and non-political post were either meant to intentionally annoy others, or to inflate his ego and further his delusions. Someone up-thread mentioned the lack of a self-corrective mechanism in this online world. I am glad that CM has acted and "corrected" Fatty.

kunlun_shan

Mountain climber

SF, CA

Jul 16, 2012 - 08:22pm PT

Most of the bans the last few months match what's already being blocked by my greasemonkey script :-)

edit - i've never blocked Rokjox though.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Jul 16, 2012 - 08:38pm PT

The piling on is a bit disturbing.

I just tuned out the negativity.
He has helped a number of our community without doing any chest beating about it.

elcap-pics

Big Wall climber

Crestline CA

Jul 16, 2012 - 08:40pm PT

Jeff contributed $500, out of his own pocket, to the YCA to keep the Ask a Climber program going when there was no $$$ from any other source. For that I thank him.... as far as his posts on the Taco... I don't pay much attention to peoples political or personal posts so I never really noticed what he was about... maybe more people should just ignore religious and political posts as they are always divisive. After all this is supposed to be a climbing site ... I think?!
Good luck and thanks Jeff... you are appreciated by those who know you in the real world, if not the ciberworld!

monolith

climber

albany,ca

Jul 16, 2012 - 08:46pm PT

Had nothing to do with pc. It was personal attacks on Norton. Wouldn't be tolerated anywhere, no matter what the politics or how much one gives dollars.

Here's the list of fattrads repetitive quote attacks. Take a look at the latest one. He had even more drug accusations to Norton. He was asked to stop many times.

How do we know Norton left?

Did he say something on facebook?

Capt.

climber

some eastside hovel

Jul 16, 2012 - 08:47pm PT

Oh,I'm so bummed.I couldn't wait to see another pic of his stupid fukin' jacket.Also,everyone bad mouthin' him here can plan on never going to Malibu again.Remember he owns it.

nature

climber

SoSlo, CO

Jul 16, 2012 - 08:48pm PT

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1878602&msg=1878657#msg1878657

just a guess. we can ask him if he reappears.

looking back on Norton's posts he's posted every day. except today. On average he posted about 10 times a day. And then that last post and silence?

10b4me

Ice climber

dingy room at the Happy boulders hotel

Jul 16, 2012 - 09:10pm PT

Oh, ok. Did not know that. That was not cool

johntp

Trad climber

socal

Jul 16, 2012 - 09:20pm PT

I consider myself reasonably tolerant and fattrad was only the SECOND person on this forum that I actually got totally sick and tired of...

A. Crowley of course remains #1 (though #2 might fit better if you catch my drift)...

Where does Ramjit rank? Inquiring minds want to know...

Jeff lost me with his trolling support of the Fullerton tools. Totally without any level of class.

WBraun

climber

Jul 16, 2012 - 09:23pm PT

You're all morons.

Every village has it's color characters.

He was colorful and you idiots couldn't just ignore him when he says sh!t.

That means you're weaklings.

Pussies ......

Bob D'A

Trad climber

Taos, NM

Jul 16, 2012 - 09:41pm PT

Werner...don't you ever get tired of being so self righteous?

F*#k Fatty!

Captain...or Skully

climber

Jul 16, 2012 - 09:55pm PT

He kinda only had 1 color.

johntp

Trad climber

socal

Jul 16, 2012 - 10:01pm PT

That means you're weaklings.

Pussies ......

Takes one to know one...

Hey.......wait! I mean, err, ummm....

slinking away...

Have a good evening Werner!

johntp

Trad climber

socal

Jul 16, 2012 - 10:05pm PT

Hi Tami!

Captain...or Skully

climber

Jul 16, 2012 - 10:36pm PT

Tami is wise.
But you knew that. That's why she's waiting(?) in the car......

Charlie D.

Trad climber

Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra

Jul 16, 2012 - 10:46pm PT

I've never met a stupid climber (well almost never) but I sure as hell have met a lot of ignorant ones. That said I admired FT not for his positions which I almost always disagreeed with but the simple fact he was unsensored in a forum that is more to my point of view. He challenged my perspective which as a business owner, father, husband and voter I appreciated.

Indeed we are all growing and I hope those who disagreed with FT will at some point appreciate that such diversity is healthy. If we all could accept those we disagree with then the polarization we feel from our town meetings to the national scale would allow that space for us to truly deal with the issues.

FT would be welcomed in my home, not because I agree with him but he spoke what was true to him. I'm willing to bet we'd agree on many of the values we would discuss, the issue is how we get there that's where things would get interesting. FT if you find with yourself in ST excile in the vincity of the Highway 50 Trench drop me a PM, I'd share a rope with you but please just don't be an a$$hole!

Jingy

climber

Somewhere out there

Jul 16, 2012 - 10:47pm PT

Name-droppin Chump

Again, good riddance

k-man

Gym climber

SCruz

Jul 16, 2012 - 10:48pm PT

I think fattrad took Cheney up on that hunting trip.

fear

Ice climber

hartford, ct

Jul 16, 2012 - 11:00pm PT

Awwww..... I don't spend as much time here as some folks apparently do but I found him usually true to what he believed.

I appreciate honesty even if I don't agree with it.

I think some people just have very thin skins... That's too bad.

Brokedownclimber

Trad climber

Douglas, WY

Jul 16, 2012 - 11:05pm PT

philo-

that's a great end to the story...:D

ms55401

Trad climber

minneapolis, mn

Jul 16, 2012 - 11:06pm PT

where will I now get disinformation on economics and politics?

Vegasclimber

Trad climber

Las Vegas, NV.

Jul 16, 2012 - 11:07pm PT

NICE end Philo! Gotta love the back dimples.

I don't mind Fatty in RL, have had a few good talks with him over the campfire.

But when he gets on here, he has nothing to contribute. Too bad because the man does have a brain.

Now if we can shave a few more we will be in good shape. Overall it's been better here since the hammers started dropping IMO. Just my 2 cents.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 16, 2012 - 11:08pm PT

"Overall it's been better here since the hammers started dropping IMO. "

+1

TGT

Social climber

So Cal

Jul 16, 2012 - 11:10pm PT

"Progressives" only tolerate diversity when it's confined to sex or drug use.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 16, 2012 - 11:15pm PT

Qwitcherwhinin' TGT. If fattrad had been a lefty, you'd be dancing a jig.

survival

Big Wall climber

Terrapin Station

Jul 16, 2012 - 11:18pm PT

Ooooo, there's that dirty word again...progressives...

Fatty preferred regressive, as does TGT.

Curt

Boulder climber

Gilbert, AZ

Jul 16, 2012 - 11:22pm PT

where will I now get disinformation on economics and politics?

JE is a good source for that.

Curt

The Call Of K2 Lou

climber

Squamish

Jul 16, 2012 - 11:22pm PT

...and you idiots couldn't just ignore him when he says sh!t.

That means you're weaklings.

Pussies ......

Something about a pot and a kettle comes to mind, bud. Couldn't you just ignore "us" when "we" say sh--?

LilaBiene

Trad climber

Jul 16, 2012 - 11:27pm PT

Hi Lila,

Thank you for sharing your heart warming story. I'm in the club with micronut, I have a daughter adopted from China and will assist her in her search for roots when she expresses the need.

TheTool-Jeff

No one is either all good or all bad. Jeff gave me a warm welcome not so long ago -- I won't ever forget that.

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber

Joshua Tree

Jul 16, 2012 - 11:33pm PT

Old man Braun, You Kids Get Off My Lawn wrote:

He was colorful..

Well, I suppose Pasty White is technically a color.

Jennie

Trad climber

Elk Creek, Idaho

Jul 16, 2012 - 11:38pm PT

I hate last good-byes. Being an engaging and generous gentleman …which Jeff IS, privately, doesn’t confer immunity …

When an individual is banned, sadly, for heckling, demonizing, name calling, denouncing and/or accusing other members...we wonder why others with similar offending behavior …are not held liable.

It’s a positive that management here is sensitive to the feelings of the forum body…but a negative when mob rule can accord immunity to forum pets, darlings and "idols of the people" who also misbehave

(…while that mob rejoices in postmarking of the wee less adored into the wilderness.)

Captain...or Skully

climber

Jul 16, 2012 - 11:42pm PT

As in all things, there's a threshold. Perhaps?

zBrown

Ice climber

chingadero de chula vista

Jul 16, 2012 - 11:44pm PT

If you can't kick his ass in the forum, don't step into the arena.

Fish Finder

Social climber

THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART

Jul 16, 2012 - 11:45pm PT

Fatty,

Thanks for the wine and the tacos, they were really good.

Your still full of shlt here though, we all are.

If anything it seems that those who are obsessed with ST, consume it to the point of their own demise.

John M

climber

Jul 16, 2012 - 11:52pm PT

You have to be a full on moron to get banned from this forum.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 16, 2012 - 11:54pm PT

"If anything it seems that those who are obsessed with ST, consume it to the point of their own demise."

+1

Rokjox
Lois
fattrad

RIP

Jon Beck

Trad climber

Oceanside

Jul 16, 2012 - 11:57pm PT

I have never met fatty, but hope to drink a beer with him at faceoff, errrrr, I mean facelift

I am sure he is more civil in person. If not, well, then I will have to smack him down. just kidding. I wish he could act like ST was face to face. I miss his banter but his crap was over the top.

Fish Finder

Social climber

THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART

Jul 16, 2012 - 11:59pm PT

Lets knott forget all the whiners who run off in a stated huff only to return to let us know that their two cents is only worth half as much !

Ghost

climber

A long way from where I started

Jul 17, 2012 - 12:01am PT

What's really weird is that I was holding the red button, and thinking about pressing it, when somebody (nature? locker? god?) beat me to it.

Jeff, whatever his real-life positives, was strongly net-negative here. Given that he is not stupid, he knew that the axe was bound to fall if he continued the negative contribution; so the only conclusion is that he felt that watching everybody retch when he was pissing on the campfire was worth the inevitable deactivation.

He and Crowley can carry on the stupidity via email, and ST is a better place for their absence.

John M

climber

Jul 17, 2012 - 12:07am PT

LOL, Come on locker.. you knew that pic would probably get you banned. You were pushing the limits and knew it. You were just feeling ornery and went too far. Fatty is a whole nother ball of wax and it has become pretty clear over the years how to stay alive on this forum. The occasional cat fight is tolerated. You can even get right up in someones face. But constant negativity and harassment will get you banned.

Fattard wrote on the norton thread that Werner was calling me a pussy, which I do not dispute though I do disagree with. But werner was also calling fatty a pussy. Fatty is just to ignorant to recognize that.

All of ya are pussies, all of ya.

Bitching and moaning at each other all day long every day.

A bunch of pussies

Bitching and moaning all day long every day describes accurately how Fattard behaved on this forum.

toddles you big pussy..

bergbryce

Mountain climber

South Lake Tahoe, CA

Jul 17, 2012 - 12:10am PT

Good riddance.
Said the same thing last time.

I'm convinced he considered his financial generosity and any work he'd done at Facelift as license to be an @sshole here in the forum, which is dead wrong.

Would you let some dick come into your house, trash the place and piss all over the carpet if he gave you a couple hundred bucks?

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 17, 2012 - 12:11am PT

"...it has become pretty clear over the years how to stay alive on this forum. The occasional cat fight is tolerated. You can even get right up in someones face. But constant negativity and harassment will get you banned."

+10

That should be in the ST FAQ/User Agreement

rottingjohnny

Sport climber

mammoth lakes ca

Jul 17, 2012 - 12:15am PT

That's the door knob that hit fatty on the way out..Ouch..

MisterE

Social climber

Jul 17, 2012 - 12:31am PT

[Click to View YouTube Video]

Jon Beck

Trad climber

Oceanside

Jul 17, 2012 - 12:41am PT

maybe fattrad, and CMac can make up at FL.

Maybe at Facelift CMac can set up a good old fashion Catholic confessional and all the offenders can confess their ST sins and be handed their punishment. On second thought there needs to be a conduit to God, the right reverend Werner should do the duty.

or just a group hug and a rousing chorus of Kumbaya?

Curt

Boulder climber

Gilbert, AZ

Jul 17, 2012 - 02:21am PT

I like how those toilet stalls hang from the ceiling with nothing touching the floor.

That's so guys like Larry Craig and Fatty can assume their "wide stance."

Curt

k-man

Gym climber

SCruz

Jul 17, 2012 - 02:37am PT

"Progressives" only tolerate diversity when it's confined to sex or drug use.

Had nothing to do with diversity, and ya know it.

Also, we know that it's not because his level of intellect was too low.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber

mammoth lakes ca

Jul 17, 2012 - 08:13am PT

Fatty...you never bragged about meeting with Larry Craig....Are you hiding something..? RJ

Crimpergirl

Sport climber

Boulder, Colorado!

Jul 17, 2012 - 09:24am PT

+10 ^^^ bergbryce

Spider Savage

Mountain climber

The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles

Jul 17, 2012 - 10:09am PT

Here, I'll fix it.

DMT = Valuable Climbing Content = Fun

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Jul 17, 2012 - 10:18am PT

And the vultures circle, circle, circle....like I said, this thread has wings.

k-man

Gym climber

SCruz

Jul 17, 2012 - 01:51pm PT

The bunny goes up through the hole, around the tree and then back in the hole.

TheTool

How can anybody not love this guy?

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 17, 2012 - 01:52pm PT

Let me count the ways...

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Jul 17, 2012 - 01:53pm PT

I don't think they make a motel room big enough for y'all.

StahlBro

Trad climber

San Diego, CA

Jul 17, 2012 - 01:55pm PT

[Click to View YouTube Video]

I do hope he gets it together

HighTraverse

Trad climber

Bay Area

Jul 17, 2012 - 05:28pm PT

WTF?
I go "clean" from this two bit gin joynt for a couple of days and fatty is banned AGAIN?
Odd, last time he was banned I was also in self imposed exile.
Either I shouldn't go away, or else leave entirely.

Fattrad and I couldn't be further apart in our politics but I've always felt that his shock jock posts were more in fun than serious. There are more than a couple of people here who can attest to Jeff"s generosity. Bring him back.

When I first encountered fattrad I also thought his shock jock posts were more in fun than serious. Then I finally accepted that when online, this is who he really is. Frequently thoroughly obnoxious.
Jeff is indeed a generous person, I also expect he's adult enough to come to Facelift again. I hope so but I wouldn't blame him if he says "piss on those SuperTardo morons" and makes his camp in Upper Pines.
He was pretty merciless to Norton, and not in a funny way. Still, we are SUPPOSED to be grownups around here and I don't like seeing anyone banned.
There may be more to this story than meets the eye, as there was the first time around.

Personally, I hope to see him at Facelift, share a little polite banter, drink a little wine together and have a laugh.
Who knows, maybe he'll be resurrected here, again.

Norwegian

Trad climber

Placerville, California

Jul 17, 2012 - 06:12pm PT

supertopo is a religion
and fatrad is our jesus.

Ghost

climber

A long way from where I started

Jul 17, 2012 - 06:31pm PT

and fatrad is our jesus.

So he walked among us, was crucified, and then rose from the dead to walk among us again for a short time.

And if I understand correctly, we've got at least 2,000 years before we see him again?

jstan

climber

Jul 17, 2012 - 06:37pm PT

Well this is really bad. Jeff won't be able to instruct myself and Norton whether the tree is in front of the hole or behind it.

I'll tell Norton just to be sure he gets the Yosemite finish right. The Yosemite finish is all you really need.

Karl Baba

Trad climber

Yosemite, Ca

Jul 17, 2012 - 06:46pm PT

Ban me once, Shame on you

Ban me twice.....you won't be banned again..!

Sorry to see Fatty go but it's not my show

peace

Karl

Wayno

Big Wall climber

Seattle, WA

Jul 17, 2012 - 06:49pm PT

supertopo is a religion
and fatrad is our jesus.

So he walked among us, was crucified, and then rose from the dead to walk among us again for a short time.

And if I understand correctly, we've got at least 2,000 years before we see him again?

Now that is funny shet. I just don't get the part about how fatty died for our sins.

John M

climber

Jul 17, 2012 - 07:01pm PT

Still, we are SUPPOSED to be grownups around here and I don't like seeing anyone banned.

That doesn't make any sense to me.

If we are grownups.. then why would we put up with his bullshit stinking up the Joint just because he is nice in other ways or spends money? You would seriously put up with someone doing a daily/hourly hatefest on you? I wouldn't let anyone treat me or one of my friends that way. Internet or no internet.

He was asked to back off many many times. He didn't..

I say.. good riddance.

I just don't get the part about how fatty died for our sins.

He didn't.. He died for his own sins.

Jon Beck

Trad climber

Oceanside

Jul 17, 2012 - 07:09pm PT

I wouldn't blame him if he says "piss on those SuperTardo morons" and makes his camp in Upper Pines.

Hey! there are some of us ST morons in Upper Pines too, you can run but you can not hide!

Mighty Hiker

climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Jul 17, 2012 - 07:15pm PT

We'll keep him nice and safe at Camp 4, where it's easy to tool him as needed, and maybe even when not needed.

Jon Beck

Trad climber

Oceanside

Jul 17, 2012 - 07:16pm PT

Store him in a bear box with a sign, "Emergency Tool Only"

Anastasia

climber

InLOVEwithAris.

Jul 17, 2012 - 07:32pm PT

Fatty is full of dark sarcastic humor. He is not scary. He sure can pester with the best of them. He can infuriate and frustrate but he's not threatening. In person he is also one of the nicest folks I've ever met. A very kind and generous person. I can't say that for all.

What I don't understand is how the super nasty mean and bat shiest crazy never get banned. What is up with that?

Wade Icey

Trad climber

www.alohashirtrescue.com

Jul 17, 2012 - 07:40pm PT

What I don't understand is how the super nasty mean and bat shiest crazy never get banned. What is up with that?

you obviously haven't read the political threads. Fatty is the bat shitiest.

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Jul 17, 2012 - 07:43pm PT

A good tactic is to NOT read the political/religious threads but that would leave a lot of folks here nothing to talk about.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 17, 2012 - 07:47pm PT

If all of the fattrad supporters here hung around the polititard threads on a regular basis, my guess is the majority of them would change their views about him pretty damn quickly.

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Jul 17, 2012 - 07:50pm PT

Sorry.....ain't gonna happen.

Anastasia

climber

InLOVEwithAris.

Jul 17, 2012 - 08:10pm PT

What is the old saying, "Never talk politics or religion" if you want to keep your friends? Plus why argue with Fattrad when you know it's pointless? Seriously why bother engaging? There is no winning so ignore the silly man! I rarely visit those threads for a good reason.

Plus being a liberal Democrat Christian married to a conservative Republican Jew, I obviously am not afraid of people who vastly don't agree with me. It is also fun to put on the Christian radio station when I want Bill out of the house. It works wonders.

-Praise the Lord! Give me an Amen!-

...and yes, I love my husband even more for understanding my own dark humor.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Jul 17, 2012 - 08:12pm PT

Are you sure Bill isn't just a closet libertarian?

Anastasia

climber

InLOVEwithAris.

Jul 17, 2012 - 08:15pm PT

Yes, now that you said that... He really is a closet Libertarian. He just doesn't believe they have enough political clout. If they ever get a good candidate with the right funding, I am sure Bill will be the first to sign up and... He will probably drag me along.

Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Jul 17, 2012 - 08:20pm PT

Then I finally accepted that when online, this is who he really is. Frequently thoroughly obnoxious.

Sadly, that seems to be the case

Sorry to see Fatty go but it's not my show

I would put it differently. I'm sorry he felt it necesary to push it so far that they had no choice but to ban him, even after (over?) graciously giving him a second chance. His bullying of Norton asks a lot of indulgence of the forum at large, and is a particular insult to the people who have supported him and reminded the world that in real life he's not the as#@&%e you would expect based on the way he peed in the supertopo pool.

To the people who say bring him back, he's fine where he is on Facebook; till he screws that up too.

John M

climber

Jul 17, 2012 - 08:31pm PT

+1 to what Jaybro has written.

Plus why argue with Fattrad when you know it's pointless? Seriously why bother engaging? There is no winning so ignore the silly man! I rarely visit those threads for a good reason.

when someone takes a dump in the pool, do you go swimming? Sorry for the crass description, but that is exactly what Fatty does on the political threads. Its pretty hard to ignore when it takes up so much of the thread. You may not like political discussions, but I do. There are a lot of intelligent people on this forum and I generally enjoy and am interested in hearing what they have to say. If he was behaving this way on the climbing threads he would have been out of here a long time ago and you would have led the charge. Especially if he had directed his hatred at you.

It is sad to me that so many people are willing to look the other way just because he is nice to them.

There have been quite a few good people who have given up on discussing anything to do with politics because of the stuff Fattrad posted. In my opinion that sucks.

Norwegian

Trad climber

Placerville, California

Jul 17, 2012 - 08:37pm PT

ahh donini i know you better than that.
you, sir must confront emotional challenges.

what the f*#k do you to gain if you hover in your comfort zone.
i hate the religious and political threads. i do.
but i throw myself into them...

all political and religious threads shoud get an R-rating,
cause...

im scared as shite when i embark but
i bully my way thru and swing gently about the handsome
jaws of my opponents...

and come out the other side of the experience stripped
a little of myself, but that self aint destroyed
it is spread about humanity.

you see,
self is akin to mass
and neither can be created nor destroyed
(sorry creationists) but rather earned and shared.

that's my liberal stance:
earn your person. then share it with other persons.

hence we all grow. together.

donini if you completely avoid the politcal threads and
religious threads that plague this site,
then your lightbulb shall be dimmed,
down to about forty whats.

Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Jul 17, 2012 - 09:37pm PT

What?

Norwegian

Trad climber

Placerville, California

Jul 17, 2012 - 09:50pm PT

jaybro you are a candle.

SteveW

Trad climber

The state of confusion

Jul 17, 2012 - 11:13pm PT

Bring back Crowley!!!!

Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber

Will know soon

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:01am PT

Anastasia, Dang, I love the heck out of you. I miss you. Just reminded how much I love you when I just read your last few replies.....LOVE lynnie

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, CA

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:01am PT

I don't know why Fatty got booted, WTF??? Seems to be a conservative culling here.

Am I shocked? No.

John M

climber

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:02am PT

Crowly was a liberal

So was Wes

And one other was liberal

Am I shocked that you don't understand this? No

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:06am PT

Hey, Riley- whatever happened with your gear and the CL post?

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:07am PT

Cull yourself, bluering.

John M

climber

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:08am PT

You know.. if any one of you fatty lovers would have stepped up and told him in no uncertain terms that he was out of line he might still be around.

What does that say about you?

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, CA

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:10am PT

Cull yourself, bluering.

Why? You cannot handle debate? You would rather people be banned and silenced?

Do you have anything to discuss?

John M

climber

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:10am PT

blue.. you don't discuss. that is the problem.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:11am PT

With you? Besides my utter contempt for you as a human being?

Nah, not really.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:12am PT

Whatcha drinkin' tonight, blue?

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, CA

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:16am PT

blue.. you don't discuss. that is the problem.

This is untrue and you know this. You have been duped to thinking otherwise.

I used to always debate the facts. I left because of name-callers. I can handle it and all, but what is the f*#king point?

I can handle the debate, bro, can you? Without name-calling?

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:17am PT

"Seems to be a conservative culling here."

John M

climber

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:17am PT

Blue, you called me names many times. I didn't call you any names.

are you blind to this? Seems so.

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, CA

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:19am PT

John, what names did I call you?

Is this Moosie? Or the other John?

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:19am PT

"I left because of name-callers. "

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Mtnmun

Trad climber

Top of the Mountain Mun

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:19am PT

You are All a bunch of pudenheimenholers.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:20am PT

"I can handle the debate, bro, can you? Without name-calling?"

You can handle debate, you just can't do it without name-calling.

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, CA

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:21am PT

See? Apogee is the kind of person who really should be banned. Adds no discourse, but just taunts people.

And I'm the as#@&%e???

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, CA

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:22am PT

What do you want to debate, apogee???

John M

climber

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:25am PT

Its moosie.. I don't feel like going back through all the various names you have called me.. from pussy to communist.. to faggot lover.. to faggot..

you were drunk some of those times.. but it got old.

sometimes I think that you don't remember half the sh#t you have said.

if you had ever said any of those things to my face I would likely have knocked you on your ass.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:25am PT

How much longer it will be before you get the boot.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:26am PT

"Adds no discourse, but just taunts people."

I only do that for you, bluering. You should feel special.

John M

climber

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:27am PT

And apogee is right..

pot calling kettle black.

I'm done here. I'm tired of people defending fatty.. like his hatefests were nothing.

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, CA

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:28am PT

What??? I never said that sh#t to you, John!!!!! That's bullshit!

You are making that up!!!!! I liked you when I met you, bro.

There is no f*#king way I said that to you.

EDIT: That is borderline slander, bro. I never called you anything but MAYBE a commie. Maybe.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:28am PT

Alcoholic blackouts tend to play out that way, bluering...no memory of actions...nawmean?

John M

climber

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:30am PT

I'm not lying Blue.

this is my last conversation with you.

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, CA

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:36am PT

Oh, no, John. You accussed me of sh#t I NEVER SAID, ASSHOLE!!!! Do not walk away. When did I call you a faggot??? Find the specific quote!

You are bordering on slander here. I will not tolerate this sh#t. And I will report you people to Cmac who continually take me out of context and misquotes.

This is bullshit and intentional slander.

Don't f*#k with me.

And yet, the great debater, Apogee, has yet to come up with something to debate. You people are weak AND lame. Slander is all you got.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:37am PT

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, CA

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:38am PT

I'm not lying Blue.

this is my last conversation with you.

O.k., have a nice life, Moosie. I like ya. Walk away and have a good life. God bless ya, bro.

I mean that.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:40am PT

What does it take to make you go away for good?

Penicillin?

John M

climber

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:40am PT

And yet, the great debater, Apogee, has yet to come up with something to debate. You people are weak AND lame. Slander is all you got.

so you don't like what I say and expect me to dig back how many posts to find what I know that you said and then you call me weak and lame???

Piss off dude..

Don't get in my face if I see you at facelift. you won't like it.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:41am PT

Awww, geez, John. Don't say things like that unless you mean it. Really.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:46am PT

Don't let that slimebag get away. Make sure it's the right guy, then do it right.

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, CA

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:46am PT

so you don't like what I say and expect me to dig back how many posts to find what I know that you said and then you call me weak and lame???

Yes!!!

I wanna see where I called you a faggot!!!! YOU ACCUSED ME! PROVE IT!

If you can't, maybe you're confusing me with someone else. I do not drop faggot-bombs on ST. Maybe an occasional fag-bomb, but that's diff in common parlance.

Be careful, Moosie, you could be making a good friend into an enemy.Like Nature. This is not my intention. Just sayin'....

Mighty Hiker

climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:47am PT

You know.. if any one of you fatty lovers would have stepped up and told him in no uncertain terms that he was out of line he might still be around.

I'm no Fatty lover, though he's good company in person. Still, I wonder the same question, which is that do we fail as a community when we can't correct such obvious problems?

In that spirit, Steve (bluering): You often say rude and obnoxious things to people here. Including to John M. Things you would never dare say to a person's face. There is no excuse for it, and please stop doing so.

The same goes for others with similar behaviours.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:48am PT

"Maybe an occasional fag-bomb, but that's diff in common parlance."

Only in your parlance, homophobe.

John M

climber

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:52am PT

Be careful, Moosie, you could be making a good friend into an enemy.Like Nature. This is not my intention. Just sayin'....

you are the one making enemies. I'm not your enemy, but I won't take anymore of your crap.

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, CA

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:52am PT

In that spirit, Steve (bluering): You often say rude and obnoxious things about people here. Including about John M. There is no excuse for it, and please stop doing so.

Like what, Anders???

I do come off strong here regularaly. Look at what I have to f*#king deal with, bro!!! Apogee???

I never called John a faggot! NEVER!!! That's slander and bullsh#t.

I do debate vociferously, but I try to be civil. I will not tolerate sh#t.

That's how I roll. You know this, Anders!!!!

John M

climber

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:53am PT

thanks MH.. its nice to see someone standing up for the truth.

'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber

like Ontario, Canada, eh?

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:57am PT

I never read much of what he wrote as it never interested me.

But I did notice something interesting in this post:

Look carefully at the girl's left arm, and at her arm's reflection in the glass.

I don't get it.

I think I need to study this photo more closely.

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, CA

Jul 18, 2012 - 01:02am PT

In that spirit, Steve (bluering): You often say rude and obnoxious things to people here. Including to John M. Things you would never dare say to a person's face. There is no excuse for it, and please stop doing so.

The same goes for others with similar behaviours.

Wow, isn't that nice you refer to me personally in name but refuse to address the "others", even by their avatars!!!!!

How diplomatic of you, Anders. Classy. Not....

You people are so predictable.

dirtbag

climber

Jul 18, 2012 - 01:04am PT

Look carefully at the girl's left arm, and at her arm's reflection in the glass.

I'm looking at the two dimples.

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, CA

Jul 18, 2012 - 01:06am PT

Back dimples are kinda weird.....

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 18, 2012 - 01:07am PT

Cull yourself, bluering.

Feel free to do so while wanking to that nice picture.

dirtbag

climber

Jul 18, 2012 - 01:08am PT

Yeah. But combined with crack and the bun curves...if you squint your eyes a bit it almost looks like a smile.

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, CA

Jul 18, 2012 - 01:10am PT

Yeah. But combined with crack and the bun curves...if you squint your eyes a bit it almost looks like a smile.

Totally!!!

jstan

climber

Jul 18, 2012 - 01:19am PT

With the exception of one person, everyone has now weighed in. So that everyone gets a chance, here are Lois' comments on the previous banning.

This is the least I could do if we are to remain a democratic(socialistic) society living to the highest standards of behavior and integrity.

LEB

climber
PA

Feb 14, 2012 - 04:57pm PT
nature,

He was clearly out of line with those comments to jstan but I will tell you that these sort of remarks are (sadly) common place around here. For example, they are normal course for DF and no one complains about his egregious remarks. The fact is that one has to be fairly aggressive to be a rock climber in the first place. It does not appeal to the retiring, timid sort of crowd. Add that to the fact that testosterone causes a certain amount of aggressiveness in its own right (which most manage to keep under control and behave like gentleman most of the time) and you can have a very explosive environment. While, I would agree that skipt's remarks to jstan were out of line, they are hardly unique or noteworthy here on ST. This sort of stuff happens all the time. If it is not one of you guys detonating at any given time, it is another. I don't approve of what he said but it is hardly rare or unique around here. Frankly it is rather common place albeit sadly so.

zBrown

Ice climber

chingadero de chula vista

Jul 18, 2012 - 01:21am PT

^The Shadow Knows!

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, CA

Jul 18, 2012 - 01:22am PT

I was f*#king w/ya bro....geez.

Everybody uptight now......

John M

climber

Jul 18, 2012 - 01:23am PT

by the way Jstan.. I have called dr. F on his sh#t.

you know what.. I think I don't belong here anymore..

adios.

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, CA

Jul 18, 2012 - 01:26am PT

Moosie, you do belong. But if we're gonna ban Weschrist, Fatty, and others, then WTF???

Why is Dr F here?

My opinion? Let it all stay. It's a cool open forum. Everything goes. Free Speech.

But that's just me....

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 18, 2012 - 01:32am PT

"My opinion? Let it all stay. It's a cool open forum. Everything goes. Free Speech.

But that's just me...."

Sounds good. Start your own forum.

This one ain't yours. Live by the rules or cull yourself.

jstan

climber

Jul 18, 2012 - 01:33am PT

adios.

Someone has said "the universe is the way it is, whether we like it or not."

The same is true for ST. I have long maintained we ought to be reading everything.

These are people.

It is getting very hard.

Very hard.

Mighty Hiker

climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Jul 18, 2012 - 01:33am PT

I strongly disagree that "everything goes" here. Not only because someone else owns 'our' playpen, but because we share it. Decent behaviour (and language) is necessary.

John M

climber

Jul 18, 2012 - 01:37am PT

no.. I don't belong. I don't like the hatefests. I don't' like being called names. Free speech isn't free. You do have the freedom to say whatever you want. But you also have to face the consequences if someone doesn't like what you say. That doesn't happen on a forum.

If you called me to my face some of the names you have called me on this forum I would have kicked your ass. As pissed off as I am at this point. you really don't want to test that.

today a long term friend chose keeping the peace in her family rather then stand up for me after a family member did something really shitty to me. Then I came here and listened to people defend Jeff's behavior, just because he has given money to charities, or been nice to them. People I use to respect.

no thanks. I have no respect for that and because that appears to be the prevailing attitude here. I see that I don't belong.

Anastasia

climber

InLOVEwithAris.

Jul 18, 2012 - 01:52am PT

Mighty Hiker says it best. "I strongly disagree that "everything goes" here. Not only because someone else owns 'our' playpen, but because we share it. Decent behavior (and language) is necessary."

A few years ago I remember a guy threatening another man's daughter. That was EVIL. Plus I know what it's like to be cyber-stalked. That is unacceptable and very weird too. There are defined lines people should never cross.

AFS

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 18, 2012 - 01:56am PT

"I strongly disagree that "everything goes" here. Not only because someone else owns 'our' playpen, but because we share it."

There's a disturbing # of people here that believe their impulsive right to do or say anything they like overrides anything and anyone else.

Jennie

Trad climber

Elk Creek, Idaho

Jul 18, 2012 - 01:57am PT

Decent behavior (and language) is necessary.

yes, whether Anders is currently reviewing Thomas Hobbes ideas on “self-interested cooperation” or drawing from his own impulse…

his concisely germane posts are pleasingly relevant whenever this forum is riven with discontent.

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, CA

Jul 18, 2012 - 02:01am PT

If you called me to my face some of the names you have called me on this forum I would have kicked your ass. As pissed off as I am at this point. you really don't want to test that.

Sorry you feel that way, brah. I liked you. But whatever, I honestly don't remember calling you a "faggot", as you claim, but I may have called you a commie.

If that offends you then we must part, but I'd regret it. You were a good friend. Take care and God bless, bro!

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 18, 2012 - 02:03am PT

Cull yourself, bluering.

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, CA

Jul 18, 2012 - 02:04am PT

So when did Jennie come back???? WTF???

I love ya, Jennie.

jstan

climber

Jul 18, 2012 - 02:04am PT

In industry everyone in a company sometimes are required to interview for their job. I think this is done primarily because people in higher management are not qualified for their jobs.

But now I am wondering if there are not situations where something like this is the only way to proceed.

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, CA

Jul 18, 2012 - 02:11am PT

John, everybody needs interrogation to proceed, right?

At least in business. Not in Jewish Camps. Not sure what your point is...

jstan

climber

Jul 18, 2012 - 02:27am PT

My point is everyone's posts need to be evaluated. Those who do not pass are no longer here. But everyone has to be examined.

And Blue your claim that you were just frickin with us as a justification for what you have said shows that you associate no value with ST. We are nothing but an amusement.

You really think people appreciate being treated that way?

Edit:
My intention is to be helpful. Granted naively, but still.

Just suppose you have a friend who always yells. Then another person who never yells, starts talking louder than is their custom. Which do you pay more attention to?

When you said I was turning into a socialist I paid it no attention. That was just Blue. There was no content there. I would not react anyway. People have free speech. Some know how to use free speech. Others do not. That's reality.

But we all have the chance to learn.

ST is becoming very hard. But I come here to gain the thoughts of ST's many amazing people. And there are many.

ST is not perfect. None of us is.

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, CA

Jul 18, 2012 - 02:34am PT

John, do you understand the abuse I take? Are you that blind?

I do not complain, I retaliate. Especially when my kid is mentioned. Ya know?

I will not bend to bullsh#t. You should understand this rhetoric.

Curt

Boulder climber

Gilbert, AZ

Jul 18, 2012 - 02:39am PT

John, do you understand the abuse I take?

My observation is the more irrational one is, the more abuse he gets.

Curt

Anastasia

climber

InLOVEwithAris.

Jul 18, 2012 - 03:46am PT

Lovegasoline, you mean this beauty?

Anastasia

climber

InLOVEwithAris.

Jul 18, 2012 - 05:10am PT

:) Paper shorts? My dog would eat them. :) It could be fun.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber

mammoth lakes ca

Jul 18, 2012 - 08:22am PT

Locker.....Was that the Malibu walmart where fatty tooled a shoplifter stealing donuts...?

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Jul 18, 2012 - 09:02am PT

Norwegian.....my left of center political views and my irreligious attitudes have developed over many years and are firm and immutable.

Others here have different views that are also immutable.

No one changes or even modifies the views of others on political/religious threads.

Posting on these threads is merely pontificating one's own views.

Now.....if you want to go climbing this September when I come to California we have something to talk about!!!

ncrockclimber

climber

The Desert Oven

Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2012 - 09:54am PT

Last time Fatty got the ax he sent some PMs and posted on Facebook about being banned and his revenge. Anyone heard from him since he was show to the door this time?

philo

Trad climber

Somewhere halfway over the rainbow

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:35pm PT

Just hangin' out to see what comes next...

philo

Trad climber

Somewhere halfway over the rainbow

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:56pm PT

k-man

Gym climber

SCruz

Jul 18, 2012 - 12:59pm PT

ohwwww the IRONY.. Folks get Fatty banned,

Ron Anderson

That's right, blame fatty's actions on others.

How old are you again??

In other news, I must say the Taco feels refreshed.

bergbryce

Mountain climber

South Lake Tahoe, CA

Jul 18, 2012 - 01:19pm PT

yeah, like someone finally flushed the toilet.

HighTraverse

Trad climber

Bay Area

Jul 18, 2012 - 01:21pm PT

It was mentioned that none of fattrad's "friends" warned him to cool it. Plenty of his non-friends did, some directly, some obliquely. And I'm not sure how a "friend" is defined here anyway.
Some of us who are politically diametrically opposed to fattrad have shared a drink, some food and a campfire with Jeff with laughs and only a little friction.

It's very disappointing that this thread has degenerated into name calling and back biting. We can argue for or against banning obnoxious (in the ears of the beholder) participants without getting nasty and obnoxious ourselves.
Or can we?

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber

Joshua Tree

Jul 18, 2012 - 01:28pm PT

I do come off strong here regularaly.

No Bluering, you do not come off "strong". You come off as a weak, impotent little jerk, raging into the void with absolutely ZERO sense of self awareness.

You claim to "debate the facts" without seeming to understand what either of those words mean. You claim to be civil while starting post after post with "you idiots", "f*#k you" and similar. You, hilariously I would add, claim you don't call people faggots, only fags...as if there were a difference between those homophobic slurs.

You have proven over and over again that you are incapable of anything approaching an actual "debate". When confronted with facts, you fail to acknowledge them, misdirect, and start in with a line of questioning of the presenter of said facts. You continually play the victim card and claim to be misrepresented when confronted on your name calling, bigotry, homophobia, etc.

Let me propose an exercise for you: Print out your posts from these "debate" threads, in chronological order, without the intervening posts between them, i.e. just yours. Start at a point long enough ago that the specific posting isn't fresh in your mind, maybe at least a couple years back. Then read through them. If you do this exercise and don't see a pattern and a problem, then perhaps you are beyond help. But your pattern of behavior is so blindly obvious that even the most mild mannered among us who avoid this kind of commentary can't help but point it out (e.g. Anders).

You desperately need some self appraisal and reflection. "I will not take this"...well, whatare you going to do about it? As I said, your posturing is just impotent raging into the void. Good luck to you.

Crimpergirl

Sport climber

Boulder, Colorado!

Jul 18, 2012 - 01:32pm PT

I warned Fatty in a June 18th post on the Republican thread stating that I'd ban him permanently if I had the power (clearly I don't).

I've considered him my friend as well. Other friends warned him too. It didn't matter. Only one person is responsible for where he is and that is him. No one did this to him. He did it. Too bad. He'll be fine.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 18, 2012 - 02:17pm PT

ECIYA, Crimpergirl, DMT (deleted post)

+10

Lennox

climber

just southwest of the center of the universe

Jul 18, 2012 - 02:17pm PT

^ +3 (+10) ^

For The Cap In Your Ass.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1431937

(^ Take a look at the thread and see how it degenerates as bluey gets his afternoon drinking rollin'; he prolly passes out somewhere around 6:54 pm.)

couchmaster

climber

pdx

Jul 18, 2012 - 02:45pm PT

Nature said:

"Jul 16, 2012 - 02:50pm PT
His last post:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1878602&msg=1878657#msg1878657

Are you proud of yourself fattard? Stalked him (Norton) so much he actually did leave."

Opps, wrong Nature. You can stop with the violin music:-) John (Norton) probably just stepped away from the computer for 3 min to piss while you posted that as he's posted 22 times alone on Dr F's "Republicans are as big of as#@&%es as democrats" thread since you posted that.

HighTraverse

Trad climber

Bay Area

Jul 18, 2012 - 02:45pm PT

Take a look at the thread and see how it degenerates as XXXXX gets his afternoon drinking rollin'

You have to wonder if this isn't a common problem on the political threads.

Lennox

climber

just southwest of the center of the universe

Jul 18, 2012 - 02:48pm PT

^^^^
Tru dat.

Norton

Social climber

the Wastelands

Jul 18, 2012 - 02:53pm PT

oops,

actually, I DID "leave", and Nature was correct that that was my last post

Over the course of the following 20 hours, I received five emails from people asking me to reconsider and come back, that to leave would allow Fattrad to "win" in his effort to provoke me with his drug references enough to make me quit.

So, yes, I am back posting and yes it does feel good to not be stalked, thank you

Ghost

climber

A long way from where I started

Jul 18, 2012 - 02:58pm PT

I received five emails from people asking me to reconsider and come back,

I was one of those people. Never good to see someone bullied and harassed to the point that it drives them away. Jeff went far beyond the pale on that, and has no one to blame but himself for the deactivation.

On the other hand, I'm still a firm believer in not hiding behind an avatar.

HighTraverse

Trad climber

Bay Area

Jul 18, 2012 - 03:11pm PT

WB Norton. And thanks to your friends for the encouragement.

nature

climber

SoSlo, CO

Jul 18, 2012 - 03:12pm PT

Thanks for the clarification on you "leaving", Norton.

welcome back.

I also sent a PM to Norton letting him know the coast was clear and his stalker was nixed.

couch wasn't the only one to doubt that fact.

What I find shocking is the fact that fattrad could harass and stalk Norton and fully acknowledge that he's doing it to make him leave (and succeeds!) and that is apparently OK with some. Meanwhile CMac takes control of the situation and whacks-o-mole on fattrad and people bitch that kicking people off the forum is somehow wrong.

I don't think it's funny or cute, when I re-post Ghost's thoughts. I'm trying to get Norton to leave, he is a coward, spineless and a troll.

TheTool

Crimpergirl

Sport climber

Boulder, Colorado!

Jul 18, 2012 - 03:26pm PT

^^^ +1 Ron. Agreed.

John M

climber

Jul 18, 2012 - 03:32pm PT

What I find shocking is the fact that fattrad could harass and stalk Norton and fully acknowledge that he's doing it to make him leave (and succeeds!) and that is apparently OK with some. Meanwhile CMac takes control of the situation and whacks-o-mole on fattrad and people bitch that kicking people off the forum is somehow wrong.

this is my opinion too. I lost a lot of respect for a number of people on this thread. I will cut people a lot of stack. I don't mind the occasional cat fight. But once it becomes a pattern and the negativity continues even after they have been asked to stop.. then enough is enough.

Douglas Rhiner

Mountain climber

Truckee , CA

Jul 18, 2012 - 03:37pm PT

It all goes to accountability.
When people post under AVATARS they feel that they can get away with anything.
Regardless if they say that "everyone" knows who they are.
Their postings are very much anonymized from anyone searching the web with their true name as the subject.

If Jeff had to post under his true full name, like in Facebook, this probably would never be an issue.

For example, there are may websites that require you to login via your Facebook account to be able to post in comment streams.
This is not a cure-all but it has tamed things greatly on the sites that have implemented this.

If you want to engage in the banter on ST get ready to have this sort of thing go down.

monolith

climber

albany,ca

Jul 18, 2012 - 03:40pm PT

I don't think so, Jeff put out his full name many times, even his address. It was clear who he was and that didn't keep him from being a bully.

Using your name may deter some people, not Fattrad.

Names are boring. I'd rather see "crimpergirl" or "graniteclimber" than a name.

couchmaster

climber

pdx

Jul 18, 2012 - 03:57pm PT

Didn't know any of that, welcome back Norton.

lostinshanghai

Social climber

someplace

Jul 18, 2012 - 04:27pm PT

Just when I was about to correct him [as usual] about his sources, this one with Wiki.

Wiki gets their information mixed up or incorrectly lists the wrong people in their published knowledge based for information. Run by volunteers so sometimes they get things wrong, no biggie. Still a source but need three or four others to make sure you get correct info.

JEleazarian

Trad climber

Fresno CA

Jul 18, 2012 - 04:33pm PT

No one changes or even modifies the views of others on political/religious threads.

Not always, Jim. Chiloe changed my mind on the climate change thread by respectfully leading me to relevant information that answered my concerns. I doubt that we can change many perspectives, particularly in those of us who developed those perspectives over many, many decades of observation, but I still hold out hope for changing conclusions, even if we reach them in different ways.

While I know I state the obvious, the rhetoric we use affects our ability to communicate with people having different perspectives. Asking for a fight never does, but demonstrating respect for the intellect and perspective of the audience sometimes does. For those interested in these sorts of things, I recommend Shaping Science With Rhetoric by Leah Ceccarelli. (In the spirit of full disclosure, Leah is the daughter of my wife's first cousin.)

When I sense the fight-picking rhetoric heating up (which, as High Traverse points out, is often as the evening approaches and wears on), I usually stay away from commenting because then, I assume that the comments have only cathartic goals. I have more effective means of achieving catharsis than insulting my ST opponents. Often, though, the discussion was constructive, and both Jeff and Norton engaged in that constructive dialog.

I've been disinclined to comment on this thread because I find the whole episode too painful. I appreciate Jeff's serious, and many of his put-on, comments, but winced at what he said about Norton. I say this not only because I admire Norton, and value both his comments and his presence here, but because we should not treat people that way, period. I felt the same way about the seeming hate campaigns against LEB and several others. I wish I had tried to do something more to try to contain it, and feel somewhat responsible for not weighing in more strongly before. It comforts me, however, to see that many others feel the same way.

I know -- and frankly I hope -- that we aren't going to sit around a campfire singing "Kum Bay Ya." The jesting and poking will continue. Those of us who express unpopular opinions expect that, and some of us even think the world would be much impoverished if we cut it all out. Still, it encourages me to see that lots of people don't buy the "anything's fair on the internet" behavior we sometimes see.

Sorry for the rambling.

John

this just in

climber

north fork

Jul 18, 2012 - 05:06pm PT

So It's not ok to call Norton a drug addict, but it's cool to call blue an alcoholic over and over. You guys are funny.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 18, 2012 - 05:18pm PT

Norton doesn't act like an abusive as#@&%e. bluering does...most of the time.

If you can't see the difference, you either sincerely don't follow either of them that much, or your perception is a little tweaked.

jstan

climber

Jul 18, 2012 - 05:43pm PT

Presently we are at the most important part of this banning affair. Where we decide what went wrong. We all have surely noticed that JE and many others do not simply state their opinion in the form of “as received wisdom.” In a succinct fashion they discuss why their opinion is as it is. This may be the only way to initiate a real discussion. Doing so not only lowers the temperature, it causes everyone to look again at their own experience. Only by doing so can we find weaknesses and become more assured we are on the right track.

Norton’s absence will have left him unaware of an incendiary issue currently roiling ST’s waters. He needs to be warned. Under no crcumstances let yourself be drawn into discussion of the Yosemite Finish. That issue promises to be the finish of us all.

Vegasclimber

Trad climber

Las Vegas, NV.

Jul 18, 2012 - 05:49pm PT

OT Marmot has brought flowers of peace, because it's much more peaceful here now.

He also thinks that it's time to let this goooooo....and move on to threads worth discussing ;)

S.Leeper

Social climber

somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'

Jul 18, 2012 - 05:54pm PT

How about that solo of zombie roof!

StahlBro

Trad climber

San Diego, CA

Jul 18, 2012 - 08:32pm PT

Geez Cosmic, I just wasted good beer by blowing through my nose ;-)

Nice work!

'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber

like Ontario, Canada, eh?

Jul 18, 2012 - 09:59pm PT

I, um, never even noticed those dimples.

Imaginez ca.

Vegasclimber

Trad climber

Las Vegas, NV.

Jul 18, 2012 - 10:02pm PT

Hey, I look pretty good as a marmot lmfao. And wearing my trusty old helmet too!

rottingjohnny

Sport climber

mammoth lakes ca

Jul 18, 2012 - 10:04pm PT

Nice one Cosmic...Glad they let you out of the hospital again...RJ

philo

Trad climber

Somewhere halfway over the rainbow

Jul 18, 2012 - 10:13pm PT

^^^^ Cozmic, where's your Da Brim? ^^^^

By the way your manips have been off the chart!

nature

climber

SoSlo, CO

Jul 18, 2012 - 10:43pm PT

I woulda been so pissed if I had Green Label in my mouth.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber

mammoth lakes ca

Jul 18, 2012 - 10:51pm PT

Cosmic..Who's the Bobby on the right...? And who are the 2 other pricks....?

zBrown

Ice climber

chingadero de chula vista

Jul 18, 2012 - 10:57pm PT

Shame on them all; whoever that cop is trying to pull the poor guy's head off and that agressive horse (apparently Silver? where the hell is Tonto if that's really him?) trying to get the broom out of his arse.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber

mammoth lakes ca

Jul 18, 2012 - 11:01pm PT

Cosmic...Silver and Fatty seem very spirited ...Glad fatty isn't taking the banning sitting down....RJ

Hawkeye

climber

State of Mine

Jul 18, 2012 - 11:47pm PT

this site is ridiculous.

be one of the crowd, be brainwashed to be part of the "in" group or get banned.

RJ
LEB
Fatty,

RIP. i thought i would never say this but this place was better with you because of diversity. something that is not allowed on ST.

ban me motherf*#kers!

jstan

climber

Jul 18, 2012 - 11:48pm PT

This is the appropriate place to call everyone's attention to Steven Pinker's talk on the "Language of Swearing".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BcdY_wSklo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=yyNmGHpL11Q

You might think the use of organized thought to describe swearing is an oxymoron. But Dr. Pinker shows us, very amusingly, the truth lies elsewhere.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber

mammoth lakes ca

Jul 18, 2012 - 11:54pm PT

Hawkeye...You sure you want to be under the pony...?

Hawkeye

climber

State of Mine

Jul 18, 2012 - 11:57pm PT

i could never take fattys place there, he was the toolman and deserves it.

face it, if you are not one of the in crowd here and if you have a divergent viewpoint then you get crapped on.

the truth hurts.

John M

climber

Jul 19, 2012 - 12:04am PT

face it, if you are not one of the in crowd here and if you have a divergent viewpoint then you get crapped on.

so if someone comes up to your campfire and pisses in it, then craps on your dinner table you would just say.. hmmm .. interesting point of view.

got it.

Jon Beck

Trad climber

Oceanside

Jul 19, 2012 - 01:14am PT

That thing down your back is obviously a crotchless equine thong

ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber

bouldering

Jul 19, 2012 - 02:16am PT

I really agree. weschrist got screwed too.

philo

Trad climber

Somewhere halfway over the rainbow

Jul 19, 2012 - 03:09am PT

It's the delivery, not the viewpoint. Why is that so hard to grasp?

Exactly!

nature

climber

SoSlo, CO

Jul 19, 2012 - 03:39am PT

the notion that it has anything to do with the "in crowd" is completely ridiculous.

though perhaps those that think so missed this kind of delivery:

I don't think it's funny or cute, when I re-post Ghost's thoughts. I'm trying to get Norton to leave, he is a coward, spineless and a troll.

TheTool

or maybe this one:

Early signs of dementia.

One thing I can say from my observations from 1945 onward. Until current days I have never seen in America, expressions such as quoted above.

Did they teach you critical thinking in math school?

Have you never read any of the posts where Dr. F calls for our death? Did you miss that? Do you not give a flying f*#k?

Are you just stupid? Or, maybe an old man jacks off to pics of women with penis' coming out of their head. Did you miss that part too?

You use selective reading, Jstan. And, it isn't pretty.

BTW, Name the president in office when the war in Vietnam ended.

You are clueless, Mr. Alzheimer.

Skip

wildone

climber

Jul 19, 2012 - 09:46am PT

nature

climber

SoSlo, CO

Jul 19, 2012 - 10:37am PT

DMT++

ncrockclimber

climber

The Desert Oven

Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2012 - 11:09am PT

BAM! DMT nails it!

Klimmer

Mountain climber

San Diego

Jul 19, 2012 - 01:10pm PT

Jul 18, 2012 - 07:08am PT
He's a little upset and thinks klimmer and the Hawkmen from Zhargh had a lot to do with it however.

Glad I'm not klimmer!

How in the world does someone think this? I don't ever play games like this. If a red button on ST exists and people can really do that to one another, then that is massively unethically wrong. I would never want that power. People abuse power.

I just ignore people who are haters and cruel. Occasionally I call them out but rarely.

It was not me and it will never be me. I wouldn't ever do that to someone else no matter how bad they get. That's Mac's job when many alert him of someone who's being abusive.

Norton

Social climber

the Wastelands

Jul 19, 2012 - 01:14pm PT

I did not believe that about you, Klimmer

and thanks again for opening my eyes to the possibility of alien encounters

I have been doing a fair amount of reading on that, seems a lot to it

especially given what people like Buzz Aldrin have said happened on the moon and space

Majid_S

Mountain climber

Bay Area , California

Jul 19, 2012 - 03:01pm PT

Fatty

why so many climbers here hate you ?

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 19, 2012 - 03:44pm PT

DMT, CMac is not Strother Martin, and fattrad is definitely not Cool Hand Luke.

Norton

Social climber

the Wastelands

Jul 19, 2012 - 03:48pm PT

notice how Locker cleverly put both my and his face in that picture?

why why why

is he stalking me?

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 19, 2012 - 04:04pm PT

Subtlety is oftentimes lost on me, DMT.

Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Jul 19, 2012 - 08:30pm PT

I dig your collaborative art

.....though sometimes more the process than the product...

ms55401

Trad climber

minneapolis, mn

Jul 19, 2012 - 09:49pm PT

fatty wasn't/isn't a real banker. If he were, he might be considered an oppressor. But he's not an oppressor, and he's not a real banker.

That pretty much is all you need to know about fattrad. Neither banker nor oppressor. Just some blathering guy on the Internet. There's a few of them.

sidmo

Sport climber

general delivery

Jul 19, 2012 - 10:32pm PT

WBraun
climber
Jul 16, 2012 - 06:23pm PT
You're all morons.

Every village has it's color characters.

He was colorful and you idiots couldn't just ignore him when he says sh!t.

That means you're weaklings.

Pussies ......

Wow braunwurst – this post you wrote contradicts what you post about me:

“you idiots couldn't just ignore him when he says sh!t. That means you're weaklings. Pussies ...... ”

So, since that pretty much describes your histrionics railing on me does that make you a . . . PUSSY?

YEAH I THOUGHT SO, YOU HIPPIECRITE – WHAT A PHUCKIN PHONY YOU TURNED OUT TO BE – STICK ANOTHER TAMPON UP YOUR SNATCH ASSBITE - TAKE YOUR CHICKENSHYT GOSSIP BACK TO THE LAUNDROMAT AND CLUCK OFF WITH YOUR OTHER RAGGY HENS

Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Jul 19, 2012 - 10:42pm PT

That cracked me up, Cosmic!!

Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Jul 19, 2012 - 11:21pm PT

the animation!

Distressing thought that Sidmo is spreading, though!

zBrown

Ice climber

chingadero de chula vista

Jul 19, 2012 - 11:23pm PT

kimosabe, what this mean?

EAH I THOUGHT SO, YOU HIPPIECRITE – WHAT A PHUCKIN PHONY YOU TURNED OUT TO BE – STICK ANOTHER TAMPON UP YOUR SNATCH ASSBITE - TAKE YOUR CHICKENSHYT GOSSIP BACK TO THE LAUNDROMAT AND CLUCK OFF WITH YOUR OTHER RAGGY HENS

Any of you anti-Calico mf's gonna put a picture of Paint? I thought so. Drop your guns and reach for the sky, I got you surrounded you ain't got a chance, send you back to the valley make you work on the ranch.

PS: That's a great show Cosmic, when's the concert again, staying the non-smoking course I assume.

zBrown

Ice climber

chingadero de chula vista

Jul 20, 2012 - 12:01am PT

Attention sidmo. Please post a recent photo of yourself and your resume. And, smile on your brothers. Some of us are actually smiling back on you.

Hawkeye

climber

State of Mine

Jul 20, 2012 - 12:03am PT

the crap that fatty or even LEB spewed was nothing compared to what some of you were saying about bluering. bunch of hypocritical pussies

zBrown

Ice climber

chingadero de chula vista

Jul 20, 2012 - 12:22am PT

Blue Dog - wasn't he the one in Lonesome Dove? He was very mean.

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber

Joshua Tree

Jul 20, 2012 - 12:26am PT

Maybe he'd like some Bleu Cheese with that whine.

jstan

climber

Jul 20, 2012 - 12:29am PT

Blue received some fairly specific suggestions. His posting has fallen off in the last 24 hours which makes sense. If I were in his position I know I would be examining what happened to see if it was possible some of the suggestions were merited.

Were that the case I think we all could contribute simply by just letting the matter rest for a bit.

He's a big boy.

Edit:
Locker:
Tell us you would never hold a rifle that way.

Gary

climber

"My god - it's full of stars!"

Jul 20, 2012 - 12:36am PT

Strother Martin! a fellow Hoosier. He was National Junior Springboard Diving Champion. And he knew how to communicate. RIP.

Fatty should have heeded these words:
[Click to View YouTube Video]

Jennie

Trad climber

Elk Creek, Idaho

Jul 20, 2012 - 10:35am PT

the crap that fatty or even LEB spewed was nothing compared to what some of you were saying about bluering.

How a denunciation or abrasive post is taken often depends on who is posting and who is the victim.

Skip's post about Jstan was very distasteful...but Mr Stannard is a climbing idol and he's also very well mannered.

Had similar words been hurled at one of the routine goats or whipping children here, people would be posting their ha-has, LOLs and ROFLs.

And...Jeff has had a bad chip on his shoulder recently...could it be from the dozens of arrows slung his way daily ?

go-B

climber

2 Timothy 1:9-10 Monergism

Jul 20, 2012 - 10:56am PT

Looks like the Werden needs to loosen the strap a notch or two!

Jennie

Trad climber

Elk Creek, Idaho

Jul 20, 2012 - 12:46pm PT

Oh-h-h! ...well since the case is closed I'd better withdraw my post!

Gracious thanks, your honor, for manifesting who runs the discussion.

Ghost

climber

A long way from where I started

Jul 20, 2012 - 12:59pm PT

Hi Jennie

One thing to take note of in this is that since Jeff's account was deactivated, the political thread (the big one) has become much more civil. Plenty of disagreement still, but the name-calling has almost disappeared.

Norton

Social climber

the Wastelands

Jul 20, 2012 - 01:07pm PT

Ghost said:

absolutely true

Jennie

Trad climber

Elk Creek, Idaho

Jul 20, 2012 - 01:10pm PT

I wasn't thinking excuses...his behavior has been bad. But that behavior didn't propagate in a vacuum. If you were target for everyone's abuse you might get a mite prickly too.

He needs a rest from ST, and perhaps some strong rebuke IMO, but he's not the malignant spirit some want to portray...

jahil

Social climber

London, Paris, WV & CA

Jul 20, 2012 - 01:21pm PT

Every time I see this thread popping up - I keep thinking:

Is he back ?
Will the horror ever end ?

Peace to all of you (and him)

steve

mdavid

Big Wall climber

High Springs, FL

Jul 20, 2012 - 02:19pm PT

I think this forum is a perfect example of "open minded" folks only getting along with like minded folk.

couchmaster

climber

pdx

Jul 20, 2012 - 03:05pm PT

Ouch.

I miss Ouch, he'd have defused this with an animated joke a long time ago.

Jon Beck

Trad climber

Oceanside

Jul 20, 2012 - 03:10pm PT

Raven - you sure are up on the ST history for someone who has never been on here before. Wait a second! I recognize that voice!

Welcome back fatty!

John M

climber

Jul 20, 2012 - 03:14pm PT

Edit: Raven deleted his posts..

Would you like some cheese with that whine Rox?

Werner called Fatty a pussy.

and we all know Jaybro is a pussy.
Only pussies climb the wyde.

so many pussies on this forum its no wonder we have that big ol dog lovers thread to balance them out.

Ghost

climber

A long way from where I started

Jul 20, 2012 - 03:17pm PT

Lol fatty never wrote a post that winded, in his life.

But Lance did.

Fat Dad

Trad climber

Los Angeles, CA

Jul 20, 2012 - 03:24pm PT

Now maybe people will stop confusing me with him.

ncrockclimber

climber

The Desert Oven

Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2012 - 03:28pm PT

Raven,

I read your post and think you are incredibly incorrect on many counts. I also belive that your entire story about asking others at a campsite about ST is total bullsh#t. I won't try to argue with you because I am sure that would be futile. In your mind, you are 100% CORRECT.

Since you are so willing to call others "pussies," let me return the favor by telling you to F*#K OFF! Have a nice day.

BTW, WTF is a "climbing resort?"

Edit to add I am betting that Raven = Rox.

Captain...or Skully

climber

Jul 20, 2012 - 03:30pm PT

Roxy makes up a lot of things. I don't know if he's even aware of it.
Weirdness incarnate.

atchafalaya

Boulder climber

Jul 20, 2012 - 03:34pm PT

The Raven (Lance Lynch)=Limp wristed pussy.

tornado

climber

lawrence kansas

Jul 20, 2012 - 03:37pm PT

QuotI recently went on a mission of sorts, at a world class climbing resort. I went around to every single campsite over a three day period and asked every single camper if they had ever heard of ST. Almost none had.e Here

somebody has a lot of free time on their hands. Get a life.

blahblah

Gym climber

Boulder

Jul 20, 2012 - 03:39pm PT

Edit to add I am betting that Raven = Rox.

That was my thought, after rejecting the idea that it was Fattrad based on completely different writing style.

monolith

climber

albany,ca

Jul 20, 2012 - 03:41pm PT

Rox has issues with Nature. Pretty clearly it's Rox.

Curt

Boulder climber

Gilbert, AZ

Jul 20, 2012 - 04:00pm PT

Very few of the old bold climbers post here any more, and th[a]t has left the pussies in control.

Yeah, Stannard, Donini, Gill, Goldstone, Ament, Higgens--actually I could go on and on with the list of "old bold" regulars who do post here regularly. Perhaps you're thinking of a different website?

Curt

Captain...or Skully

climber

Jul 20, 2012 - 04:38pm PT

Go away, Lame-O.
Perception is a funny thing, huh? Or the lack thereof.

edit:Chris has been informed of your continued presence. Chris is my friend. I look out for my friends.

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber

Joshua Tree

Jul 20, 2012 - 04:49pm PT

limp wristed big shots who are trying to make money off of climbing.

Hahahahalololol11!!!111. And the long winded Lance Lynch clowncar rolls onward.

ncrockclimber

climber

The Desert Oven

Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2012 - 05:09pm PT

Lolli wins the award for best response in the last 100 posts!

jstan

climber

Jul 20, 2012 - 05:24pm PT

What is the experience of one whose hands are ever clenched into fists?

Life is a never ending fight.

Why would anyone do that to themselves?

Captain...or Skully

climber

Jul 20, 2012 - 06:00pm PT

Word, jstan.
But they won't clench up in person. That would be scary.

atchafalaya

Boulder climber

Jul 20, 2012 - 06:49pm PT

John M

climber

Jul 20, 2012 - 06:49pm PT

Edit: Raven deleted his posts which I was responding to.

One Fattrad was worth more than any ten of his detractors to this site.

You asked us to challenge your statements.

I will put up Jaybro and Ghost against 1000 fatheads
Heck.. just give me either one of them.

ONE Werner is worth more to us all than a thousand of the posters like Nature, a feel good blowhard whose only real link to this group is that he makes big money off an illegal business run for profit within the National Park Systems of our nation.

I'm not really interested in comparing Werner to anyone, but you are fully incorrect that Nature makes his money illegally within any National Park. He works in IT and whether Werner is better then him or not has nothing to do with this conversation.

Just a reminder..

Werner called Fatty a pussy. He called you a pussy too.

Also,, if this were about shutting up people who disagree with some point point of view, then why would Crowley and Wes be banned.. as they had fully divergent points of view from Fattrad. Just something to think about.

As for big dogs leaving.. I know a few big dogs who scoffed at the idea of joining supertopo. Guys with first ascents on things like the captain. They had read the taco and didn't care for all the negativity. I encouraged them to share their stories, but they just laughed at the notion. These are guys CMac knows.

there are plenty more points that you are mistaken on but it is probably pointless to talk to you. I post this for posterity. Adios Rox.

WBraun

climber

Jul 20, 2012 - 06:55pm PT

Werner called Fatty a pussy.

You're all wrong.

I called all the people who had wanted fattrad banned, pussies.

I was defending fattrads right to be here.

His point of view was unique and gave insight into the mind of this type of personality whether one sees it as good or bad and did not matter to me.

John M

climber

Jul 20, 2012 - 06:57pm PT

It was a combination of things Ron.. I am aware of that. It was a combination of things with Fathead. It had nothing to do with his political affiliations or beliefs.

John M

climber

Jul 20, 2012 - 07:01pm PT

Werner.. you called everyone who was posting constant attacks a pussy. Fatty is included in that.

If you want to change your statement, then fine.

If you enjoy the hatefest so much, then go for it. wallow in it. If you love him so much then start a bring back fatty thread. or a bring back rox thread. I don't see you doing anything other then calling people pussies. You encourage fattrads behavior.

Captain...or Skully

climber

Jul 20, 2012 - 07:21pm PT

Scary for YOU.
Bring it.

Perception. You ALWAYS get it wrong. Always will, I expect.
Boring.

Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Jul 20, 2012 - 07:29pm PT

Nobody is scared of you Rox. You're an ineffectual blabber mouth with an inflated sense of himself. That's just not intimidating. Nor original.

k-man

Gym climber

SCruz

Jul 20, 2012 - 07:30pm PT

YOU guys, on the other hand, (those of you who know who you are, that is... not everybody on the site, but you DO know who you are.) you seem to think that EVERYBODY acts like you. Which they don't.

I'm trying to think... Would I know it if I'm one of YOU guys? I mean, I think I could be one of them, but don't really want to be. So I'm paranoid, am I really someone that thinks EVERYBODY acts like me?

Honestly, I think it'd be better to not worry about it. Now on to the posting while drunk thread ...

So funny ...

Jennie

Trad climber

Elk Creek, Idaho

Jul 20, 2012 - 07:43pm PT

The long history of Jewish persecution feeds this fixation, which has caused many American Jews to lean toward the far right.

Pardon my kvetching, Toadgas...only 13 % of American Jewish voters self-identify as "conservative". This from a 2008 election day exit poll by the non-partisan Solomon Project.

Orthodox Jews tend to be more politically conservative. One in eight American Jews is Orthodox.

Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Jul 20, 2012 - 07:46pm PT

Did Raven/Rox withdraw, or was he erased? He's running some other alias' as well.

Tedious, nevermore.

Big Mike

Trad climber

Jul 20, 2012 - 08:25pm PT

rox- have you thought of actually asking to return?

Can't believe you guys are still on about this....

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber

Joshua Tree

Jul 20, 2012 - 08:32pm PT

Somebody called me?

Pate

Trad climber

Jul 20, 2012 - 08:44pm PT

Curt

Boulder climber

Gilbert, AZ

Jul 20, 2012 - 08:50pm PT

And Fattrad was a cop and a financier and one of the best thinkers here, whether or not you liked his sh#t, it was thought-provoking. His constant name dropping was GREAT and will be the closest you guys ever get to the power structures he represents.

Now that is some funny sh#t.

Curt

Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Jul 20, 2012 - 08:55pm PT

He's (Rox) just misunderstood and unfairly picked on! Okay now I got it!

Lol

Pate

Trad climber

Jul 20, 2012 - 09:14pm PT

i have come to the conclusion it's even worse, you're mired, but now you have flat tires and are also out of gas.

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Jul 20, 2012 - 09:23pm PT

"Back into the chamber turning, all my soul within me burning...." I said this thread had wings.

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Jul 20, 2012 - 09:31pm PT

Dingus....Quoth the raven, 'Nevermore,' but with threads like this there is always more.

Pate

Trad climber

Jul 20, 2012 - 09:34pm PT

definitely worth checking in to see donini quote The Raven

and to read this from dmt:

"Its pretty funny to watch, and occasionally poke with a stick just to watch the angry ants swarm."

ants are so predictable, eventually even burning them with a magnifying glass gets boring.

Wade Icey

Trad climber

www.alohashirtrescue.com

Jul 20, 2012 - 09:35pm PT

Norton

Social climber

the Wastelands

Jul 20, 2012 - 09:40pm PT

So Rox,

it was Raven for about five posts

now it is Nevermore

My understanding is that this website's computer "knows" your IPS address, and it takes a couple of posts to Deactivate it

Thus making you create a new identity each time

So, do you have a bunch of new identities all lined up so you can keep posting?

Big Mike

Trad climber

Jul 20, 2012 - 09:41pm PT

Rox- Thanks, That's too bad that they cut you out of the loop. I hate to say it because I really enjoyed your posts most of the time, but you kinda brought it on yourself.

The SOBRIETY THREAD was what you guys thought was the last straw??

I was MUCH worse on that thread, I was deliberately an asshat; annoying and dismissive of the thread, its purpose and its posters. I was MUCH worse than her, and I did it not from ignorance or stupidity but deliberate. I have had family friends so f*#king deep into the DT's that the f*#ker jumped up at one point, stripped off his clothes to the bare assed skin and went running off into the little township of Hudson Wyoming, scaring the piss out of the local cop and actually OUTRUNNING his German Shepard before he dove headfirst into a river and escaped.

I KNOW the importance of AA to the people who cannot control their drinking and I did it ON PURPOSE.

Why shouldn't I have been stripped of my colors and sent packing instead of her?

I know you were pissed off about LEB and the direction that this site has taken, but it is what it is.. You either choose to participate or not.

Jennie

Trad climber

Elk Creek, Idaho

Jul 20, 2012 - 09:42pm PT

Mr Donini has friendship rings for each of you...as do all gentle idols of exceeding goodness...

(... what exactly happened to the rare and radiant maiden whom the angels named Lenore ?)

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Jul 20, 2012 - 09:43pm PT

Welcome back Pate. I was worried that you had found religion, moved to Colorado Springs and perished in that Biblical Old Testament fire.

edit: Jennie, I'll be in the Tetons next week, I know it's a special place for you....come climb!

Pate

Trad climber

Jul 20, 2012 - 09:47pm PT

donini-now THAT is funny!

Jennie

Trad climber

Elk Creek, Idaho

Jul 20, 2012 - 10:13pm PT

I appreciate the invitation, Jim. I'm going to be in-harness with family care duties...I hope your sojourn in the Tetons is enjoyable. I'll be thinking of you and your teamates and wishing I were with you on the high peaks.

zBrown

Ice climber

chingadero de chula vista

Jul 20, 2012 - 11:19pm PT

The Ravens - nevermore, they're all dead.

[Click to View YouTube Video]

Captain...or Skully

climber

Jul 20, 2012 - 11:30pm PT

Well, Jennie is right about the Donini. That guy sparkles, even under the Weather.
I dunno about the others that make my State look so weird.
It's not as weird as all that, Good Peoples.
Though it CAN be weird.
Evermore.

Hey, Roxie. You're not worthy of the Raven Moniker. The Raven is mighty & amazing. Need I say more?
Not bringing it. That makes you a puss. Froth away, you are NOT.
And never will be.

jstan

climber

Jul 20, 2012 - 11:53pm PT

Nevermore - deactivated

jstan

climber

Jul 21, 2012 - 12:10am PT

Cosmic is just lucky here. Public domain.

Captain...or Skully

climber

Jul 21, 2012 - 12:12am PT

Apt, Cosmic.

ncrockclimber

climber

The Desert Oven

Topic Author's Reply - Jul 21, 2012 - 12:36am PT

Bam!! 500!!

Mighty Hiker

climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Jul 21, 2012 - 12:55am PT

Coming next - the pit and the pendulum. The suspense is just killing me.

jstan

climber

Jul 21, 2012 - 01:00am PT

Chirp

Chirp

jstan

climber

Jul 21, 2012 - 01:04am PT

Chirp

jstan

climber

Jul 21, 2012 - 02:04am PT

We stannards are totally colorless people. Thanks Cosmic. That's the best picture ever of me!

Do I have to pay you a fee if I send it to all my friends?

Edit:

Blame? I'm serious. if I were any more serious I would be dead. Great picture. Maybe I should try and mimic Jiminey's position? The hands are going to be tough, I think.

Pate

Trad climber

Jul 23, 2012 - 04:57pm PT

hey cosmic am i supposed to be the dark night? hope not- my job is to shed light and not to master.

MH2

climber

Jul 23, 2012 - 06:43pm PT

The Fattrad, whose eye is bright,
Whose beard with age is hoar,
Is gone

He went like one that hath been stunned,
And is of sense forlorn:
A sadder and a wiser man
He rose the morrow morn.

dirtbag

climber

Jul 23, 2012 - 07:14pm PT

I want to share with you a few of the tentative conclusions I've reached regarding Officer Fattrad's insinuations. And I stress the word "tentative," because the subject of what motivates Fattrad is tricky and complex. Before examining the present situation, however, it is important that I brush away the cobwebs of ruffianism.

Although Fattrad babbles on and on about unilateralism, he has no more conception of it than any other blasphemous, contumelious barmpot. I don't object to his allocutions because I was personally offended—and I don't easily offend—by the value he places on making me have an identity crisis. I object because society must soon decide either to help people help themselves or else to let Fattrad legitimate irresponsibility, laziness, and infidelity. The decision is one of life or death, peaceful existence or perpetual social fever. I can hope only that those in charge realize that I've heard of jaundiced things like resistentialism and caciquism. But I've also heard of things like nonviolence, higher moralities, and treating all beings as ends in and of themselves—ideas that Fattrad's ignorant, unthinking, execrable brain is too small to understand. He insists that power, politics, and privilege should prevail over the rule of law. That lie is a transparent and strained effort to keep us from noticing that I don't know what makes him think that he should be a given a direct pipeline to the National Treasury. Maybe he's been sipping cuckoo juice. The fact of the matter is that once people obtain the critical skills that enable them to think and reflect and speculate independently, they'll realize that Fattrad appears to have found a new tool to use to help him extirpate the very things that I unquestionably cherish. That tool is revisionism, and if you watch him wield it you'll indeed see why were he alive today, Hideki Tojo would be his most trustworthy ally. I can see Tojo joining forces with Fattrad to help him weaken our mental and moral fiber.

I find that some of Fattrad's choices of words in his undertakings would not have been mine. For example, I would have substituted "chauvinistic" for "pseudointernationalistic" and "harebrained" for "gastrohysterorrhaphy." Fattrad has been creating an ideological climate that will enable him to redefine unbridled self-indulgence as a virtue, as the ultimate test of personal freedom. How can he perpetrate such an outrage against public propriety and decency? Well, we all know the answer to that question, don't we? In case you don't, you should note that if we don't remove the Fattrad threat now, it will bite us in our backside before long.

Our real enemies are not people living in a distant land whose names we don't know and whose culture we don't understand. Our real enemies are Fattrad and all others who combine, in a rare mixture, bestial cruelty and an inconceivable gift for lying. He has a talent for inventing fantasy worlds in which his mistakes are always someone else's fault. Then again, just because Fattrad is a prolific fantasist doesn't mean that truth is merely a social construct. My love for people necessitates that I argue about his long-term goals. Yes, I face opposition from Fattrad. However, this is not a reason to quit but to strive harder.

Why does Fattrad want to reopen wounds that seem scarcely healed? I blame the stultifying effect of pure, undiluted greed. Of course it's also true that life isn't fair. We've all known this since the beginning of time, so why is Fattrad so compelled to complain about situations over which he has no control? After days of agonized pondering and reflection I finally came to the conclusion that Fattrad's imperium has found a rallying cry for its upcoming battle against our most treasured liberties. That rallying cry is, "The laws of nature don't apply to Fattrad!" It's quotes like that that make me realize that the worst kinds of illogical opportunists I've ever seen are often found at Fattrad's elbow. This suggests to me that I can say one thing about Fattrad. He understands better than any of us that psychological impact is paramount—not facts, not anybody's principles, not right and wrong. I'm not suggesting that we behave likewise. I'm suggesting only that Fattrad says that he needs a little more time to clean up his act. As far as I'm concerned, Fattrad's time has run out.

Your guess is as good as mine as to why Fattrad wants to create an untrue and injurious impression of an entire people. Maybe it's because he plans to place our children at imminent risk of serious harm. Need I point out that prejudices are what pharisaical primates use for reason?

A bunch of termagant, parviscient bed-wetting cowards have recently been accused of introducing changes without testing them first. Fattrad's fingerprints are all over that operation. Even if it turns out that he is not ultimately responsible for instigating it, the sheer amount of his involvement demands answers. For instance, why can't Fattrad simply enjoy the fruits of his own labors and let other people enjoy the fruits of theirs? While that question may not be as profound as "What's the meaning of life?" or "Is there a God?", some people think it's a bit extreme of me to criticize Fattrad's sophistries publicly for their formalistic categories, their spurious claims of neutrality, and their blindness to the abuse of private power—a bit over the top, perhaps. Well, what I ought to remind such people is that if you ever ask Fattrad to do something, you can bet that your request will get lost in the shuffle, unaddressed, ignored, and rebuffed.

I'm inclined to think that anyone who is genuinely furacious must also be genuinely anti-democratic. Fattrad is both. This tells us that however varied or profound the explanations underlying our sense of moral values may be, he has mastered the art of bamboozling unwary listeners by introducing names of persons and events of which they have only a hazy recollection and then making statements, seemingly documented, with such authoritative confidence that they never think of trying to clarify their own recollections or consulting a reference work. Fattrad will almost certainly tiptoe around that glaringly evident fact because if he didn't, you might come to realize that he consumes, infests, and destroys. Fattrad lives off the death and destruction of others. For that reason alone we need to keep our courage up.

Some people have compared rebarbative vagrants to the worst classes of mawkish, domineering skivers there are. I would like to take the comparison one step further: Fattrad possesses no significant intellectual skills whatsoever and has no interest in erudition. Heck, he can't even spell or define "erudition", much less achieve it. When I'm through with him he'll think twice before attempting to cause people to betray one another and hate one another. I have a message for all you lazy cunctators out there: Get off your behinds and start embracing the cause of self-determination and recognizing the leading role and clearer understanding of those people for whom the quintessential struggle is an encompassing liberation movement against the totality of prætorianism. Why is it so important to do that? Because I have often maintained that reasonable people can reasonably disagree. Unfortunately, when dealing with Fattrad and his toadies, that claim assumes facts not in evidence. So let me claim instead that ever since Fattrad decided to divert us from proclaiming what in our innermost conviction is absolutely necessary, his consistent, unvarying line has been that the future of the entire world rests in his hands.

On a similar note, there is certainly a childish dimension to Fattrad's sottises. Or, if "childish" is too narrow of a term, perhaps you'd prefer "malevolent". In any case, Fattrad claims that laws are meant to be broken. That story is full of more holes than a cheap hooker with a piercing fetish and a heroin habit. There's an important difference between me and Fattrad. Namely, I am willing to die for my cause. Fattrad, in contrast, is willing to kill for his—or, if not to kill, at least to cast the world into nuclear holocaust. We have a dilemma of leviathan proportions on our hands: Should we contribute to the intellectual and spiritual health of the body politic, or is it sufficient to embrace the cause of self-determination and recognize the leading role and clearer understanding of those people for whom the quintessential struggle is an encompassing liberation movement against the totality of elitism? A complete answer to that question would take more space than I can afford, so I'll have to give you a simplified answer. For starters, many members of his gestapo believe that we can trust him not to pull the levers of Marxism and oil the gears of lexiphanicism. Even worse, almost all of his torchbearers believe that Fattrad commands an army of robots that live in the hollow center of the earth and produce earthquakes whenever they feel like shaking things up a bit on the surface. (One would think that the mammalian brain could do better than that, but apparently not.) My point is that given a choice of having Fattrad deploy enormous resources in a war of attrition against helpless citizens or having my bicuspids extracted sans Novocaine, I would embrace the pliers, purchase some Polident Partials, and call it a day. Allow me to close by stating that Officer Fattrad doesn't know the difference between right and wrong.

dirtbag

climber

Jul 23, 2012 - 07:16pm PT

What amazes me is how well that random rant generator nails it.

Norton

Social climber

the Wastelands

Jul 23, 2012 - 07:21pm PT

dirtbag, we hardly know ye

damn!

johntp

Trad climber

socal

Jul 23, 2012 - 09:28pm PT

Holy verbosity! Are we supposed to read all that?

John M

climber

Jul 23, 2012 - 09:34pm PT

Condensed version

"You suck"
"No.. you suck"
"You are an idiot"
"NO.. YOU ARE An IDIOT!!!!"

Fattrad Banned

"Good riddance.. Fattrad was an azzhole"

"No. Fattrad was a good guy.. he donated money to good causes and did all sorts of other good things"

"Feck em"

"Your all a bunch of whining pussies"- Werner

that should just about cover it

couchmaster

climber

pdx

Jul 23, 2012 - 11:32pm PT

Rant generator part 2. http://www.the-elite.net/story-generator/ fill in the blanks, get some words. Funny to be able to create a novel in 15 seconds.

It all started when our over-heralded star, Dirtbag, woke up in a disease-infested jungle. It was the tenth time it had happened. Feeling excessively worried, Dirtbag backhanded a ninja star, thinking it would make him feel better (but as usual, it did not). As if it really mattered he realized that his beloved internet was missing! Immediately he called his vicariously jealous friend, Norton. Dirtbag had known Norton for (plus or minus) 550,000 years, the majority of which were curious ones. Norton was unique. He was smart though sometimes a little... stupid. Dirtbag called him anyway, for the situation was urgent.

Norton picked up to a very happy Dirtbag. Norton calmly assured him that most disease-carrying chipmunks cringe before mating, yet legless puppies usually exotically turn red *after* mating. He had no idea what that meant; he was only concerned with distracting Dirtbag. Why was Norton trying to distract Dirtbag? Because he had snuck out from Dirtbag's with the internet only seven days prior. It was a exotic little internet... how could he resist?

It didn't take long before Dirtbag got back to the subject at hand: his internet. Norton panicked. Relunctantly, Norton invited him over, assuring him they'd find the internet. Dirtbag grabbed his canoe and disembarked immediately. After hanging up the phone, Norton realized that he was in trouble. He had to find a place to hide the internet and he had to do it aimlessly. He figured that if Dirtbag took the 'modded' Civic, he had take at least seven minutes before Dirtbag would get there. But if he took the cop car? Then Norton would be ridiculously screwed.

Before he could come up with any reasonable ideas, Norton was interrupted by seven insensitive porn stars that were lured by his internet. Norton yawned; 'Not again', he thought. Feeling displeased, he carefully reached for his dangerous oil-soaked rag and recklessly hit every last one of them. Apparently this was an adequate deterrent--the discouraged critters began to scurry back toward the foxy forest, squealing with discontent. He exhaled with relief. That's when he heard the cop car rolling up. It was Dirtbag.

----o0o----

As he pulled up, he felt a sense of urgency. He had had to make an unscheduled stop at Sears to pick up a 12-pack of gerbils, so he knew he was running late. With a careful leap, Dirtbag was out of the cop car and went scandalously jaunting toward Norton's front door. Meanwhile inside, Norton was panicking. Not thinking, he tossed the internet into a box of carrots and then slid the box behind his hippopotamus. Norton was displeased but at least the internet was concealed. The doorbell rang.

'Come in,' Norton scandalously purred. With a hasty push, Dirtbag opened the door. 'Sorry for being late, but I was being chased by some pestering beer-sloshed tool in a Jap Trap,' he lied. 'It's fine,' Norton assured him. Dirtbag took a seat just under where Norton had hidden the internet. Norton belched trying unsuccessfully to hide his nervousness. 'Uhh, can I get you anything?' he blurted. But Dirtbag was distracted. As if it really mattered Norton noticed a funny-smelling look on Dirtbag's face. Dirtbag slowly opened his mouth to speak.

'...What's that smell?'

Norton felt a stabbing pain in his prostate when Dirtbag asked this. In a moment of disbelief, he realized that he had hidden the internet right by his oscillating fan. 'Wh-what? I don't smell anything..!' A lie. A pestering look started to form on Dirtbag's face. He turned to notice a box that seemed clearly out of place. 'Th-th-those are just my grandma's carrots from when she used to have pet disease-carrying chipmunks. She, uh...dropped 'em by here earlier'. Dirtbag nodded with fake acknowledgement...then, before Norton could react, Dirtbag thoughtfully lunged toward the box and opened it. The internet was plainly in view.

Dirtbag stared at Norton for what what must've been two microseconds. Just as zero people expected Norton groped flamboyantly in Dirtbag's direction, clearly desperate. Dirtbag grabbed the internet and bolted for the door. It was locked. Norton let out a saucy chuckle. 'If only you hadn't been so protective of that thing, none of this would have happened, Dirtbag,' he rebuked. Norton always had been a little pestering, so Dirtbag knew that reconciliation was not an option; he needed to escape before Norton did something crazy, like... start chucking bananas at him or something. As if it really mattered he gripped his internet tightly and made a dash toward the window, diving headlong through the glass panels.

Norton looked on, blankly. 'What the hell? That seemed excessive. The other door was open, you know.' Silence from Dirtbag. 'And to think, I varnished that window frame five days ago...it never ends!' Suddenly he felt a tinge of concern for Dirtbag. 'Oh. You ..okay?' Still silence. Norton walked over to the window and looked down. Dirtbag was gone.

----o0o----

Just yonder, Dirtbag was struggling to make his way through the bush behind Norton's place. Dirtbag had severely hurt his kidney during the window incident, and was starting to lose strength. Another pack of feral porn stars suddenly appeared, having caught wind of the internet. One by one they latched on to Dirtbag. Already weakened from his injury, Dirtbag yielded to the furry onslaught and collapsed. The last thing he saw before losing consciousness was a buzzing horde of porn stars running off with his internet.

About six hours later, Dirtbag awoke, his shin throbbing. It was dark and Dirtbag did not know where he was. Deep in the inhospitable fanstic pumpkin patch, Dirtbag was exceedingly lost. Unaware of the bleakness of existence, he remembered that his internet was taken by the porn stars. But at that point, he was just thankful for his life. That's when, to his horror, a enormous porn star emerged from the fanstic pumpkin patch. It was the alpha porn star. Dirtbag opened his mouth to scream but was cut short when the porn star sunk its teeth into Dirtbag's shin. With a faint groan, the life escaped from Dirtbag's lungs, but not before he realized that he was a failure.

Less than three miles away, Norton was entombed by anguish over the loss of the internet. 'MY PRECIOUS!!' he cried, as he reached for a sharpened carrot. With a careful thrust, he buried it deeply into his shin. As the room began to fade to black, he thought about Dirtbag... wishing he had found the courage to tell him that he loved him. But he would die alone that day. All that remained was the internet that had turned them against each other, ultimately causing their demise. And as the dew on melancholy sappling branches began to reflect the dawn's reddish glare, all that could be heard was the chilling cry of distant porn stars, desecrating all things sacred to virtuous men, and perpetuating an evil that would reign for centuries to come. Our heroes would've lived unhappily ever after, but they were too busy being dead. So, no one lived forever after, the end. :'(

LOLz!!1

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Curt

Boulder climber

Gilbert, AZ

Jul 23, 2012 - 11:53pm PT

No way that's Stannard. All his jackets have way more holes.

Curt

dirtbag

climber

Jul 24, 2012 - 12:19am PT

Yeah, what Couchmaster said!

zBrown

Ice climber

chingadero de chula vista

Jul 24, 2012 - 12:21am PT

News is that if FAT will pose for Peter Haan in Da Brim and with that horse Silver, he will be taken back on the ST forum. Check Supertopo newsletter, December/2012.

Curt

Boulder climber

Gilbert, AZ

Jul 24, 2012 - 02:48am PT

Awesome manipulation, Curt!

I didn't know you were that GUD with photoshop.

I'm not--just wanted to comment on your pic. Sorry, I can delete it if you like. But, hopefully not before Stannard replies :-)

Curt

klk

Trad climber

cali

Jul 24, 2012 - 03:14am PT

No way that's Stannard. All his jackets have way more holes.

but cosmic got the pose right.

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber

Jul 24, 2012 - 12:19pm PT

I'm not sure what level of obnoxiousness fattrad must have reached to actually be banned, especially considering the level of rancor and viciousness that is considered status quo these days on this forum. I really have little interest in reading through fatty's alleged "stalking" of Norton but it does seem a bit out of character for him, though perhaps he's grown more aggressive in his old age and with his beloved RNC out of substantive power in his home state and country alike. Regardless, the idea that fatty is an idiot or a substanceless contributor to this forum is nothing short of absurd and completely overplays the degree to which the most of the rest of you add, particularly in the arena of political discourse. Fatty is arrogant, confrontational and dismissive; and so are most of the rest of you. Fatty also understands pretty well what "trolling" means, which certainly contributes to the image of someone already perceived as obnoxious.

Still, fatty's baseline behavior is no better or worse than anyone else here and he was a significant personality on this site. While many of his posts were intentionally condescending or conceited, plenty of his posts were of merit and substance and while I likely (almost certainly) disagreed with their premise and/or conclusion, they were worth reading, if only to understand how other people think and to challenge my own opinions, assumptions and assertions.

Fatty being banned may be seen as a "win" for the liberal posting faction (fatty was always a positive contributor to actual climbing threads), but I'm not sure why you're rejoicing being left with the conservative opponents you have remaining, the majority of whom seem to think that posting political cartoons and parroting whatever is trending on conservative blogs at the moment is "debate" (an alarming number of you libs seem to think the same).

Supertopo without fatty is a much less interesting place and I will freely admit that both these forums and my political views are richer for having had him to spar with. My activity in the Supertopo political "campfire" has been extremely low these past couple of years and I see little reason to invest further in it with a poster like fatty gone.

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber

Jul 24, 2012 - 12:25pm PT

Perhaps you should read up on what "baseline" means. By your rationale fatty would have been banned 10 years ago.

philo

Trad climber

Somewhere halfway over the rainbow

Jul 24, 2012 - 12:26pm PT

It is neither a win nor a loss for ST. It is simply what it is.
Jeff brought it on himself. He knew the rules of the game and chose to repeatedly break them. He was on a short leash already and has only himself to blame.

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber

Jul 24, 2012 - 12:30pm PT

If I don't know exactly what got him banned then I can't very well be defending it, can I? I'm defending him against the myriad of generalizations in this thread that fatty's presence was "never" a contribution to this site.

*edit*

EDITED:

"you don't know what behavior you're deffending"...

Something many conservatives do...

Interesting that after over a decade of posting here that you don't know my political leanings, you just assume something based on an apolitical post I made. The irony is thick.

John M

climber

Jul 24, 2012 - 12:33pm PT

My activity in the Supertopo political "campfire" has been extremely low these past couple of years and I see little reason to invest further in it with a poster like fatty gone.

If you weren't around much, then you missed the change in Jeffs demeanor. Fatty got a lot uglier..He got caught up in the back and forth negativity and then he took it a step further, egged on by Werner.

If you love him so much, then start a bring back Fatty thread. Or is it that all you really wanted to do was get up on that high horse?

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 24, 2012 - 12:34pm PT

HDDJ, most of your post is dead-on true about fattrad. Still, I haven't noticed you around as much over the last year or so (esp. in the polititard threads), and fattrad's 'contribution' had become exceptionally more negative, including some personal attacks that were over the line. Anyone who was here regularly over the last year would clearly see this. (Edit: Except most of those on the right, who crybaby about the victimization of Republicans at ST. Poppycock.)

I don't consider his departure to be any kind of victory. fattrad made a choice to comment the way he did, and CMac decided that this was not in the best interests of ST. C'est la vie.

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber

Jul 24, 2012 - 12:37pm PT

His behavior may have well deserved banning. Nowhere do I imply that he shouldn't have been banned. I'm saying, pretty clearly, that the 10+ years of posting that fatty has done on this site was more substantive and valuable than your average poster. If he got over the top mean and didn't curb his behavior then so be it, but it is dishonest to assert that the most recent and worst of him is all that there ever was.

John M

climber

Jul 24, 2012 - 12:43pm PT

but it is dishonest to assert that the most recent and worst of him is all that there ever was.

A lot of us tried to warn him. He didn't' listen.

And most of us who are tired of his sh#t also said that we appreciated the good things that he offered, but enough was enough.

I'm sorry that you weren't around to hear that.

John M

climber

Jul 24, 2012 - 12:46pm PT

I learned a lot from Crowley too. I'm sorry that he isn't around because he helped me shape some of my political views and when he wasn't being a dick he was hella funny and had some great stories and interesting experiences, but enough was enough.

Crowley banned himself and so did Fattrad.

Chaz

Trad climber

greater Boss Angeles area

Jul 24, 2012 - 12:52pm PT

Look on the bright side:

We lost a frequent poster, but we gained a new Grab Ass Thread!

neversummer

Trad climber

30 mins. from suicide USA

Jul 24, 2012 - 01:04pm PT

[Click to View YouTube Video]

Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Jul 25, 2012 - 11:37am PT

Pat Benatar meets X

Patrick Sawyer

climber

Originally California now Ireland

Jul 26, 2012 - 07:50pm PT

Why? Jeff is no 'different" that any of us?

EDIT

I didn't follow the threads where Jeff was having a go at Norton, so i cannot comment on those. I think that Jeff is somewhat of a "sh*t stirrer", but other than that, he's been okay. Perhaps it is because he has offered to help me in the past (i.e. picking me up at the airport for my mom's funeral) or that we had a beer and a chat in WC/Creektown (what creek, it's gone, so are the walnut trees).

However, if Jeff was unnecessarily harassing Norton, or anyone, then there you have your answer. I like jeff, and all of you, even though I don't know more than a handful personally.

But it is CMac's forum, so to speak, and if he thinks somebody has crossed the line, well...

monolith

climber

albany,ca

Jul 26, 2012 - 08:01pm PT

Cuz, over a couple months, he harassed Norton regarding his pain medication and his identification and said several time he was trying to make Norton leave the forum. Way different from anyone else here.

Trad climber

Jul 26, 2012 - 08:13pm PT

Is Fatty Jeff back yet? I hope this is temporary.

Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Jul 26, 2012 - 08:24pm PT

Don't hold your breath....

monolith

climber

albany,ca

Jul 26, 2012 - 08:28pm PT

Was Crowley kicked out more than 2 times? If so, Fattrad may get another chance.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Jul 26, 2012 - 09:01pm PT

Bring back Fattrad.

BASE104

Social climber

An Oil Field

Jul 26, 2012 - 09:05pm PT

The poor guy had an especially bad case of taco-itis.

Hope he is getting some sunshine and smelling the roses. Somebody told me I needed to do that once while burning one on top of HD.

He was right.

Curt

Boulder climber

Gilbert, AZ

Jul 26, 2012 - 09:11pm PT

Is Fatty Jeff back yet? I hope this is temporary.

Me too. 20 years should be sufficient.

Curt

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Jul 26, 2012 - 09:21pm PT

Perhaps instead of the light being just on or off persons who tread the edge can get warned.

The thing that troubles me is the fear that the taco will get culled down to those in lock step.
Hyde Park was known for being a place disparate views could be aired, not as a place where the Boss and Sir Paul get their cords (chords?) yanked.

(OK, granted, Fatty is more of a Meat Loaf) lol

Hardman Knott

Gym climber

Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca

Jul 26, 2012 - 09:22pm PT

Me too. 20 years should be sufficient.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!1111

Crimpergirl

Sport climber

Boulder, Colorado!

Jul 26, 2012 - 09:47pm PT

...persons who tread the edge can get warned.

Oh, he was warned. That is what is so sad about it. The warning(s) changed nothing in his behavior sadly. :/

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Jul 26, 2012 - 11:20pm PT

He was warned?

How?

A newspaper wrapped fish with a donut in it's mouth?

Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Jul 26, 2012 - 11:22pm PT

He found the severed head of a sportclimber in his bed.

Crimpergirl

Sport climber

Boulder, Colorado!

Jul 26, 2012 - 11:23pm PT

Regulars here, Fatty included, knew that his prior banning was his warning.
That once he was back on, there wouldn't be a third chance.

In addition, and carrying far less weight for sure is that many people here warned him that he was going to get the axe when they say his behavior hadn't changed. In fact, many of us stated that if we had the axing power, he'd have gotten it already (self included).

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Jul 26, 2012 - 11:29pm PT

The ad nauseum thread spreads it's wings and soars on.

Patrick Sawyer

climber

Originally California now Ireland

Jul 27, 2012 - 04:32am PT

I'll repost my EDIT since there have been some posts after mine.

I didn't follow the threads where Jeff was having a go at Norton, so i cannot comment on those. I think that Jeff is somewhat of a "sh*t stirrer", but other than that, he's been okay. Perhaps it is because he has offered to help me in the past (i.e. picking me up at the airport for my mom's funeral) or that we had a beer and a chat in WC/Creektown (what creek, it's gone, so are the walnut trees).

However, if Jeff was unnecessarily harassing Norton, or anyone, then there you have your answer. I like jeff, and all of you, even though I don't know or have met more than a handful personally.

But it is CMac's forum, so to speak, and if he thinks somebody has crossed the line, well...

Hardman Knott

Gym climber

Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca

Jul 27, 2012 - 01:34pm PT

The ad nauseum thread spreads it's wings and soars on.

-as folks spell ad nauseam "ad nauseum" ad infinitum...

Barbarian

Trad climber

New and Bionic too!

Jul 27, 2012 - 01:49pm PT

Does that translate to: "Over and and over and over and over again until we are sick of it"?

The Call Of K2 Lou

climber

Squamish

Jul 27, 2012 - 02:01pm PT

I just want to mention how impressed, though not all that surprised, that this thread is still going strong after nearly two weeks.
And, as a fellow stickler for speling (sic), this one's for you Hardman Knott: ad nauseum.

TheDevil

Mountain climber

HELL

Jul 27, 2012 - 02:38pm PT

I am alive and well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hello friends!!!!!!

I won, you know what Werner called a few of you.

Oh, we have bigger issues in our "community", I help a little.

TheTool

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Jul 27, 2012 - 02:41pm PT

DOOD! I saw yer bus on I-5. Enjoy yer road trip!

Norton

Social climber

the Wastelands

Jul 27, 2012 - 05:09pm PT

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lostinshanghai

Social climber

someplace

Jul 27, 2012 - 05:19pm PT

Could have been a fake. Fattie would have posted his jacket or his once a month reserve sheriff duty certificate.

nature

climber

SoSlo, CO

Jul 27, 2012 - 05:32pm PT

and he would have a dropped the name of the important republitard he had lunch with.

Norton

Social climber

the Wastelands

Jul 27, 2012 - 05:42pm PT

Jeffrey has created two new identities in the past hour.

Here is his latest, he is desperate for attention

look for this to be deactivated by his third post

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Majid_S

Mountain climber

Bay Area , California

Jul 27, 2012 - 06:25pm PT

Fatty is using AIPAC to get back on ST

Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Jul 27, 2012 - 06:27pm PT

What rhymes with "the Tool" and is found in a tarot deck?

Sigh

Jeff is better than this

lostinshanghai

Social climber

someplace

Jul 27, 2012 - 07:25pm PT

Majid_S

Hilarious

TheTooler

Social climber

HELL

Jul 27, 2012 - 07:34pm PT

Can't keep a real man down.

But I do wish to apologize to the people that I've hurt here, because I'm weak like that. I bow down to thee.

Just kidding.

TheTool

Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Jul 27, 2012 - 07:41pm PT

....or maybe not!

TheTool105

Gym climber

Romney GOP

Jul 27, 2012 - 07:42pm PT

Hey, who is this "TheTooler"???? Not me.

Anyway,

lost,

Here you go:

majid,

An organization in the ME did give me access and I have a red button.

Norton,

How's the back??? Hopefully ok. But really, riding motorcycles and climbing with the injury????? And, remember Rush and Cindy McCain got hooked on the drugs.

Jaybro,

I'm above this most of the time. But, they did train me well at LASD, always get payback. I won't be on often. Hey, lunch in WC next week???

TheTool

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Jul 27, 2012 - 08:03pm PT

People seem to have no problem discussing the Elfont in the room.

Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Jul 27, 2012 - 08:08pm PT

yeah going out of town end of the week

A professional organization sanctioned 'Payback"? Really? Do they know you are presuming to speak for them in this?

Captain...or Skully

climber

Jul 27, 2012 - 08:12pm PT

Weak Sauce.
Maybe a spot of Tarragon? Parsley? Oregano?

edit:it's less odd than you might think.

Norton

Social climber

the Wastelands

Jul 27, 2012 - 08:12pm PT

for some odd reason, ChrisMac just does not want Jeff around here anymore

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lostinshanghai

Social climber

someplace

Jul 27, 2012 - 08:20pm PT

Good Fattie or do you want to go by your new name now which most likely will change again.

So now that it looks like you are back: will Israel strike Syria’s chemical weapons storehouses first or go after Iran or Iran then Syria?

Israel internal problems don't look good either. At least they are talking about the orthodox cowards hiding or always praying at the wall to start fighting for their country but your religious leaders say no.

Love the one on the sheriff training: nothing, Israel is always looking for more to help why can't you. Too scared?

WBraun

climber

Jul 27, 2012 - 09:54pm PT

You guys are mean and hurted the poor Fattrad.

In your next life you'll all be tooled eternally .......

MisterE

Social climber

Jul 28, 2012 - 12:47am PT

This whole thread is as pathetic as the spin doctor that got banned.

Are your lives really so small that this matters.

The very worst of first world problems.

Da_Dweeb

climber

Jul 28, 2012 - 03:33am PT

Seems to me this thread needs some Pony positivity.

Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Jul 28, 2012 - 12:46pm PT

Did they off that new Rox infestation as well?

Crimpergirl

Sport climber

Boulder, Colorado!

Jul 28, 2012 - 12:53pm PT

Yeah Jaybro - looks like Skinwalker Two is gone too.

Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Jul 28, 2012 - 12:56pm PT

Thanks Crimp. How weird that a forum for climbers to hang out and be climbers, gets into fringe petty dramas like this.

Crimpergirl

Sport climber

Boulder, Colorado!

Jul 28, 2012 - 12:57pm PT

Agreed.

jstan

climber

Jul 28, 2012 - 01:01pm PT

I'll cross post here what I posted on the now deleted Lady thread.

In these situations the classiest and more powerful thing to do

is to say nothing.

Jennie

Trad climber

Elk Creek, Idaho

Jul 28, 2012 - 02:07pm PT

Few things irk me more, on moderated forums, than a power-hungry moderator that doesn't like diverse opinions (but allows disruptive behavior by his/her confrere).. and who satisfies tyrannical inclinations by removing the one freedom that they can't remove from you in material life, the freedom of speech. The removal of freedom of speech on the internet in the form of "banning". You're no longer allowed to post and you are no longer welcome on the site. Everything you have ever said or discussed comes to nothing. Your character is no longer allowed on the forum and if you want to come back, better change your temperament and succumb to the community stereotype..

Does that kind of forum make you unhappy, Lois?

Try an unmoderated forum ...run as a stone age oligarchy. A forum in which the administration maintains low profile and is run (de facto) by a small and privileged clique. A highly vocal faction who attempt to coerce forum opinion and membership... by favoring perceived opponents with an incessant barrage of accusation, insult and derision. And with an administration seemingly driven to please that vocal faction... they can largely rule...

Try a forum oligarchy, Lois...

Oh, my apologies! I guess you did.

zBrown

Ice climber

chingadero de chula vista

Jul 28, 2012 - 04:06pm PT

Could you repeat that?

The Call Of K2 Lou

climber

Squamish

Jul 28, 2012 - 04:23pm PT

How weird that a forum for climbers to hang out and be climbers, gets into fringe petty dramas like this.

Isn't that the whole point of the internet?

Crimpergirl

Sport climber

Boulder, Colorado!

Jul 28, 2012 - 04:47pm PT

Jennie - Hope you are well!

I admit to being a bit confused by your post. I mean, what supertopo is and isn't is no surprise. It's owned and run by one guy and he runs it the way he wishes. And he does. It's always been that way. It's his and he can do so.

The idea that it is run by a small vocal group is what puzzles me. I don't have enough information to know that this is the case - do you? Just because there are vocal factions here doesn't make them powerful or in control. Or maybe you know more?

I guess I do know that if that is the case, I am not a part of the power circle. I admit that there are several people who have been banned whose heads I've never called for. And there is one person here who I would have banned a long time ago. And if I were king, people would not get second chances!

Ghost

climber

A long way from where I started

Jul 28, 2012 - 04:50pm PT

King?

Crimpergirl

Sport climber

Boulder, Colorado!

Jul 28, 2012 - 04:51pm PT

Kings are more powerful than Queens. I'd rather be King!

Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Jul 28, 2012 - 05:02pm PT

Ooh, ooh! Betting pool on who Crimpie's 'John the baptist' is!

I also don't get who the vocal elite whose views are reflected might be. I think they only banned a couple of people I felt strongly about, though most of the rest seemed inevitable.

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber

Jul 28, 2012 - 06:07pm PT

It's me. I'm the small vocal circle of power. Love me, Crimpie. Loooooove meeeeeeee

Crimpergirl

Sport climber

Boulder, Colorado!

Jul 28, 2012 - 06:33pm PT

Haha! I was actually just going to post on the Republican thread that it's really nice to see you back here DJ. I've always enjoyed your input.

You are safe. :)

Jennie

Trad climber

Elk Creek, Idaho

Jul 28, 2012 - 07:07pm PT

I admit to being a bit confused by your post.

Hi Crimpie! Thanks for being a bright light on ST. Apologies for the confusing tenor of my post...I befuddle myself, too. What happens when i throw posts together in fretting agitation.

I thought Lois' post today had merit. Sadly, Jeff went too far and had to be assigned the penalty box. But there's an overwhelming irony that several of those individuals aggrieved by Jeff's most recent acrimony...themselves were blameworthy of an extremely vitriolic campaign denouncing and insulting Lois... and for years. She decries the admin double standard that banishes Jeff for scathing words...yet always looks away from the nasty hate crusade directed at her ...or others unpopular with ST's ruling "Council of Solidarity, Community, and Exclusivity."

But it appears to Lois and others (including myself) that most of the recent bannings were unilateral and the justifications for such action are only applied to those members regarded as disdained, unwelcome and unwanted.

alpinerockfiend

Trad climber

the Magic City

Jul 29, 2012 - 09:06pm PT

What is more pathetic?

That this thread has engendered 600 some posts (to which I add mine now, ironically)?

Or that the fools banned keep coming back for more?

zBrown

Ice climber

chingadero de chula vista

Jul 29, 2012 - 10:07pm PT

Well, I never saw a Marlboro or Chesterfield Queen. The Kings clearly won out in shear killing power. Oops, is this supposed to go in the gunbox?

jstan

climber

Jul 29, 2012 - 11:01pm PT

I'd rather be King!

Ummmmm

Tom Petty?

couchmaster

climber

pdx

Jul 30, 2012 - 10:06pm PT

Sometimes I don't think I'm the same species as some of you. And it's sad to me.

adatesman

climber

philadelphia, pa

Jul 30, 2012 - 10:51pm PT

Following this thread in a deer-in-the-headlights sort of way, and a hundred posts back got to wondering if it would hit 666 posts and prove Fatty is the Devil. Probably spoiled the surprise now that I mentioned it, but not many more posts to go....

Crimpergirl

Sport climber

Boulder, Colorado!

Jul 30, 2012 - 11:52pm PT

Thanks Jennie for the clarification. I was running on low sleep and just confused. I appreciate your post as always. And also your input. Sorry to have missed you and Rox in ID.

Good one Malemute! Maybe I'll rethink being Queen. :)

rottingjohnny

Sport climber

mammoth lakes ca

Jul 31, 2012 - 12:02am PT

Has Battfrad been banned in Copenhagen yet...Didn't he post a funguy 1 today...?

dirtbag

climber

Jul 31, 2012 - 12:06am PT

I love you Fatty.

I shall always love you fatty.

I shall love you like no other hetero lib supertopo poster has ever loved a blubbery right wing former tool.

Crimpergirl

Sport climber

Boulder, Colorado!

Jul 31, 2012 - 12:11am PT

HA! I worried it'd sound that way when I typed it. Have no idea if they've ever met. Here, I'll try again...

Sorry to have missed you in Idaho Jennie. The same for Rox.

:)

zBrown

Ice climber

chingadero de chula vista

Jul 31, 2012 - 12:19am PT

If it wasn't already taken, I vote for FAT as "king of fools". As I said before, if you can't kick FAT's ass in the forum, stay out of the arena.

Jingy

climber

Somewhere out there

Aug 1, 2012 - 12:25am PT

Seeing how there seems to be many incarnations of this name dropping fool all over the place…

Hey Chris,

Is there any way to ban a certain IP address?

This is getting kinda manic for a geezer to be doing.

corniss chopper

climber

breaking the speed of gravity

Aug 1, 2012 - 12:47am PT

Jingy - your nightmare continues unfortunately.

Getting Around Banning - What Is your IP Address?
http://whatismyipaddress.com/banned

Jon Beck

Trad climber

Oceanside

Aug 1, 2012 - 04:52pm PT

Fatty is certainly spending the day in line at Chik-Fil-A, dessert will be at Crispy Creme of course.

Jingy

climber

Somewhere out there

Aug 1, 2012 - 11:18pm PT

Personally, I don't think it is him...

and of course I may damned well be 100% wrong...

locker.. safely covering the bases

Cheers bra

Ghost

climber

A long way from where I started

Aug 2, 2012 - 12:35am PT

locker.. safely covering the bases

Cheers bra

Locker's wearing a bra now? In order to cover all bases?

Photos are required

SteveW

Trad climber

The state of confusion

Aug 16, 2012 - 12:19pm PT

Look who showed up on MP.com. . .

http://www.mountainproject.com/v/romney-for-president/107750322

Steve Grossman

Trad climber

Seattle, WA

Aug 16, 2012 - 12:28pm PT

Nothing to contribute there either...he won't be around long on MP!

Those guys are serious...LOL

Curt

Boulder climber

Gilbert, AZ

Aug 16, 2012 - 12:33pm PT

FatTard has popped up on rockclimbing.com, too. Not sure why he seems to prefer climbing websites--there must be some board where ideologically bankrupt, fat, non-climbers can post their vacuous drivel.

Curt

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Aug 16, 2012 - 12:55pm PT

If he is gone then why can't people stop talking about the Elfont in the room?

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Aug 16, 2012 - 01:01pm PT

Leg-humping will never go out of style.

zBrown

Ice climber

chingadero de chula vista

Aug 16, 2012 - 01:40pm PT

How does it go? "he will be missed"

dirtbag

climber

Sep 4, 2015 - 08:53am PT

The chief has returned.

And Jody's back too.

Now if we add Fattrad and Ron, we would not exactly have the Beatles, but we might get a half way decent Abba tribute band.

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Sep 4, 2015 - 08:54am PT

They let Tom Brady back, why not those guys?

dirtbag

climber

Sep 4, 2015 - 09:06am PT

Nope. Neither was the Chief.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber

Goldenville west of Lurkerville

Sep 4, 2015 - 09:08am PT

I'm all for re-instatement as long as The Chief keeps his balls inflated...rj

nita

Social climber

chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.

Sep 4, 2015 - 09:10am PT

*
Burch..i don't think he has..though..he has had several hissy fits and left with many of his posts/ dollies & dishes..
He also has several troll names that people have figured out..

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