Heard someone got bit by a Rattler in the Valley Saturday??

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Crillz

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Jun 4, 2012 - 11:07pm PT
Hope you make a full recovery.

Getting antivenom that quick is big time considering the location. Props to YOSAR. I think it will be a bad snake year up here in WA again this year too. Heard about a siting or seen one the last few times out to 11worth.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jun 4, 2012 - 11:14pm PT
Great job YOSAR!

Sad thing is now I will be looking under bear boxes for the rest of my life!
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jun 4, 2012 - 11:38pm PT
Better make sure that they are female first,..
Adamame

climber
Santa Cruz
Jun 5, 2012 - 01:57am PT
It would be excessively dangerous to fly a helicopter at night in the mountains. Never create a second victim.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jun 5, 2012 - 02:09am PT
The only rescue Helo's Ive seen operate at night in that type of terrain are the Airforce/ANG PJ outfits with Pavehawks.

Hell of a capability.. but not sure any Civilian outfits have anything like it.

Curious perhaps Werner can answer but does the ANG outfit at Moffet ever help out with Yosemite SAR? Is that a resource you guys can or have called on?
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jun 5, 2012 - 06:23am PT
Newcastle, CA. roughly 1,000ft. elevation.

Got out of the car the other day to the dog barking like a psycho at my stairs. Scolded dog.

Son found little rattler under the bottom step by sticking face down there. Scolded son. Removal with shovel and bucket.

Apologized to dog......

Glad everything worked out for the victim. Be careful out there folks.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Jun 5, 2012 - 08:46am PT
We saw two within 30' of each other on Saturday morning hiking down from the first Flatiron. One was in the tree engaged in an epic battle with a squirrel. Crazy stuff.

Second one was also headed up a tree. Lots of very creeped out people.
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Jun 5, 2012 - 08:54am PT
Crimpie-

I've also seen them at the Wood's Quarry, down among the rocks at the base.
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Jun 5, 2012 - 10:52am PT
thanks for the post, gav, and best wishes for recovery. do follow up--seems like we've been discussing buzzworms a lot, and a firsthand report of your experience is valuable.
Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 5, 2012 - 11:02am PT
Great Job to all the YOSAR folks! Good luck on the recovery and Thanks for posting the details of this pretty rare occurence.
thirsty

climber
Jun 5, 2012 - 11:14am PT
Just curious: What is the most current thinking / advice from the medical community about what to do with a bite in the back country when you might not get help for a while, meaning a day or two? Does it differ from what you should do if you think you can get out within five or six hours to a road and evacuation?
mouse from merced

Trad climber
merced, california
Jun 5, 2012 - 11:22am PT
Gavin, thanks for the tale of the snake bite. It's one you can tell the grandkids. Look through the search engine to find mention of Drone in the Andy Cox search in the early seventies.
You are very lucky. Many of these folks posting know what it's like to learn to operate with finger and hand problems or can help you with advice in getting full use and range if it comes to be a problem. Sorry for your bad luck.
phylp

Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
Jun 5, 2012 - 12:28pm PT
Wow, Gavin, what a gripping story! I don't ever want to have your experience first hand. Best of luck with your recovery.

Hands clapping for SAR!
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jun 5, 2012 - 12:41pm PT
Taser therapy for snake bites

http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7501919888/m/7651979879

Dart and Gustafson described in detail the case of a 28-year-old man who was bitten near his right upper lip by his pet Great Basin rattlesnake (Crotalus viridis lutosus). The patient had been previously bitten 14 times. During treatment for 1 of these 14 bites, the patient had experienced an anaphylactic reaction to antivenom. On the basis of information they had read in an outdoorsman's magazine, the patient and his neighbor developed a plan to use HVDC shock treatment in case the patient was bitten again. The patient and his neighbor were provided with the opportunity to test their plan after the patient's 15th rattlesnake bite. The snakebitten patient was placed on the ground close to the car. The HVDC shock was delivered by attaching a lead wire from one of the car's spark plug wires to the patient's lip. The neighbor then started the car and revved the engine to 3000 revolutions per minute repeatedly for approximately 5 minutes. The patient reportedly lost consciousness during the first HVDC shock treatment. The ambulance crew, who arrived about 15 minutes later, found that the patient was unconscious and had fecal incontinence.
Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 5, 2012 - 12:43pm PT
And how rare you ask? Someone just told me here at work that no NPS employee has ever been bitten by a Rattlesnake. Think about that.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jun 5, 2012 - 01:15pm PT
Bruce said:
"Got out of the car the other day to the dog barking like a psycho at my stairs. Scolded dog. Son found little rattler under the bottom step by sticking face down there. Scolded son. Removal with shovel and bucket.

Apologized to dog......"

LOL!



Congrats and best wishes on the recovery. Dudes getting on it at O dark thirty and helping get the fella anti-venom and out especially.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jun 5, 2012 - 01:15pm PT
Jon, I could never understand why somebody would keep a pet venomous snake. Some friends in Walnut Creek did years ago. I amen, how do you pet a venomous snake?
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
Jun 5, 2012 - 01:20pm PT
I knew a USFS guy that got bit while scrambling up a slope on a fire. He lost part of his hand. Also a guy on my hotshot crew had a snake strike at him but it hit his shovel instead of his leg! Only random luck put the shovel between the serpent and his calf. He was quite, uh, rattled.

Super rare though considering how many people are spending tons of time deep in rattler country.
zBrown

Ice climber
mercenario de merced
Jun 5, 2012 - 02:25pm PT
Keeping rattlesnakes is illegal in most of San Diego county. Big controvery about using them to train avoidance in dogs.

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/jun/04/dog-trainers-county-at-odds-over-rattlers/

and


Rattlesnake bites increase, venom more toxic.

San Diego County stats:

Last year, 40 people in the county were treated for rattlesnake bites, according to the county Emergency Medical Services, compared to 30 people in 2010, 27 people in 2009 and 24 people in 2008.

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/jun/04/rattlesnake-bites-increase-venom-more-toxic/

But from
Stephen Stahl · UC Berkeley

Should not this qualifying word "appears" also be in the headline? Big difference in the meaning.

“We don’t know for sure that the rattlesnake venom is more toxic but it _appears_ that way because the symptoms and the wounds we’re seeing are worse than in the past,” said Clark, who also is medical director for the San Diego office of the California Poison Control System.
labrat

Trad climber
Nevada City, CA
Jun 5, 2012 - 02:59pm PT
Get well soon Gavin. Thanks for the first hand, ;-), account.

Great job SAR! Thanks for being and doing what you do.
Erik
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