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survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Original Post - Mar 2, 2012 - 03:36pm PT
Sorry, I'm not that hip on Poli-threads, but Limbaugh is just such a flaming a$$hole.

You want Obama out? Well howzabout alienating almost half the voting population in one swoop? I only say almost half because I know there's a few women out there in the backwaters that love the guy.

He calls a Georgetown Law student a slut and prostitute for daring to speak about publicly funded contraception? Lets not forget that it's a disease issue not just a pregnancy issue.
And then he tells her to post videos of "all this sex".

Wow, he's so moral.

I don't care what your view of the issue is, I don't see that winning many republican votes.
http://todayonthetrail.today.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/02/10560998-woman-called-slut-by-limbaugh-is-stunned-outraged

Discuss.
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Mar 2, 2012 - 03:49pm PT
The NY Times picked up on that too: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/02/boehner-condemns-limbaughs-comments/?hp

Frankly, I think the Republicans have done much of the work themselves to further Obama's reelection. Don't count your chickens yet though. American's voting population can go 10.96/5150 at at any time. They elected W. a second time after all.
jbaker

Trad climber
Redwood City, CA
Mar 2, 2012 - 03:50pm PT
Survival - it wasn't publicly funded contraception. The issue is whether private employers can refuse to cover contraception in the private health care plans they offer employees.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 2, 2012 - 03:56pm PT
Sorry, I very well could have missed key parts of the issue.

I was way too busy trying to collect my jaw off of the floor.

He's still a jaggamuffin, and the end result is still the same, women knowing what a jaggamuffin he is.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 2, 2012 - 04:01pm PT
Around here, you can get all the contraception you want - for nothing - at the County Health Department. All kinds, too: pills, rubbers, foams, IUD - whatever you want.

I don't understand why Obama is forcing insurance companies to cover contraception, except as a partisan, political, election-year scheme to win re-election.
10b4me

Ice climber
dingy room at the Happy boulders hotel
Mar 2, 2012 - 04:02pm PT
limbaugh is an idiotic moron
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 2, 2012 - 04:05pm PT
I saw the video of her original little speech a couple of days ago.

$3000 for two years worth of condoms at a buck a piece works out to 4 times a day.


When did she have time for law school?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 2, 2012 - 04:06pm PT
Did Rushy ever do time for felony forgery in obtaining narcotics...? The guy gets his panty in a bunch over free contraception...Time to crucify this hypocrite...RJ
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 2, 2012 - 04:07pm PT
"$3000 for two years worth of condoms at a buck a piece works out to 4 times a day."

I should have went to Law School.

They don't tell you these things at Career Day.

RottingJohnny supports The War On Drugs! Talk about a 1%-opinion.

rich sims

Social climber
co
Mar 2, 2012 - 04:10pm PT
Obamamama does not need Lush to help, look what he is up against!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 2, 2012 - 07:41pm PT
Rush definately makes the republicans look stupid...He's become a liability...
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Mar 2, 2012 - 07:59pm PT
I was thinking of what to post, but yet again I would just probably be preaching/speaking to those who agree with me, I can't change (or walk in) TGT and Chaz's camp. Those guys won't change, they are set in their ways, so be it.

But having tangled horns with both the past few years, I believe I understand where they are coming from... though, they do not walk in the camp I believe in.

Question: TGT, Chaz, and others of similar ilk, I do not care much to dig up the past, but I am going to.

Obama aside (that is the present not the past, so to speak), why do you guys really believe that Bush, Cheney and Co did a good job in eight years? Economically, politically, sociopolitically, geopolitically, you name it, those clowns dragged America down. If you guys do not get it, then when you look in the mirror, remember to buck up, hold your chin up... and then stick your heads in the sand.
Ezra Ellis

Trad climber
WA, & NC & Idaho
Mar 2, 2012 - 08:02pm PT
His sponsors are starting to pull, hopefully he'll go the same way as Glen Beck, ..... in to obscurity!
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Mar 2, 2012 - 08:11pm PT
Limbaugh could be a Liberal and I'd still hate him!

I seem to just hate people like that.

(Bloated Nazi Gasbags)

Hope he goes down in flames like the other ones.

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 2, 2012 - 08:27pm PT
I saw her speech, not his answer.

He's right.

$3000 for two years worth of rubbers is 4 dudes a day.

Kinda like once when I was in line at Sams Club behind the middle aged Asian woman with the mega resale pack of Trojans and several packs of baby wipes.

not that hard to figure out .
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 2, 2012 - 08:30pm PT
Riley said:


He called a young woman, a Georgetown Law Student, a slut and a prostitute for speaking before congress on the importance of birth control.

Folks don't realise how bad this is yet.

Just another example of Republicans showing the American people what a 12 century Clown Car this idiotic politard movement has become.

Bunch of racist, woman hating, pathetic jokes.

And Romney is a f*#king coward!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 2, 2012 - 08:31pm PT
TGT...What were you doing with the baby wipes and condoms...? RJ
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 2, 2012 - 08:31pm PT


How do you spend $3000 on birth control in 24 months?
nature

climber
CO
Mar 2, 2012 - 08:33pm PT
wow... up until now I just thought you sucked, TGT.

Now you've been upgraded to total dick status.


Love the clown car comment, Riley.


And Rush didn't win it for Obama. That's a big ass car o' clowns they got running.

Though I do wish Santorum had a better chance. Stewart is having a field day with the "mixture of semen and feces particles leaking out of your ass" comments.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Mar 2, 2012 - 08:33pm PT
How much does a nuva ring cost each month?

What about the pill?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 2, 2012 - 08:33pm PT


President Obama on Friday placed a call to Sandra Fluke, the Georgetown University law school student at the heart of the debate over the contraception law, thanking her for speaking out on the issue.



The call came a day after conservative talk radio host Rush Limbaugh demanded that Fluke release tapes of her having sex in exchange for the contraception that she argued should be covered by employers. Fluke was set to go on MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell Reports when the president rang her on her phone. She took the call while waiting in the green room.

"He encouraged me and supported me and thanked me for speaking out about the concerns of American women," she told Mitchell, who received permission from the White House to discuss the exchange between Fluke and Obama. "What was really personal for me was that he said to tell my parents that they should be proud. And that meant a lot because Rush Limbaugh questioned whether or not my family would be proud of me. So I just appreciated that very much."
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Mar 2, 2012 - 08:34pm PT
TGT? Rush also asked for porn videos from her if she was receiving public funding.

Are you in for them too?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 2, 2012 - 08:34pm PT
TGT...Get back in the clown car...RJ
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 2, 2012 - 08:38pm PT
Fattrad....Step away from the key board...
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Mar 2, 2012 - 08:39pm PT
Difference or not, it's acceptable to express anger toward a public figure who conducted himself in a despicable way.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 2, 2012 - 08:48pm PT
Survival, what with all yer rock and roll threads lately I thought this
was gonna be about those falsetto Rush doods pimpin' for Obama and I just
didn't think they had that wide of a fan base.

Imagine my disappointment seeing it was about Rush 'Gimme my Oxycontin,Bitch' Lamebreath.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 2, 2012 - 08:48pm PT
idiot wind

blowing like a sucker around my skull


you're an idiot babe

it's a wonder that you still know how to breathe

B. Dylan
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Mar 2, 2012 - 08:49pm PT
Did you listen to the hearing? Did you read the transcript?

SHE NEVER SAID SHE SPENDS $4,000 ON CONDOMS!!!!!

She said,

“Without insurance coverage, contraception, as you know, can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school. For a lot of students who, like me, are on public interest scholarships, that’s practically an entire summer’s salary. 40% of the female students at Georgetown Law reported to us that they struggle financially as a result of this policy."

Sure condoms are less expensive than prescription medicines such as the pill. But many men do not want their schlong wrapped up in rubber. "It ruins my experience." Eff you! What about the woman's experience of having an abortion or raising a child alone while you are off banging the next one?

Between Limbaugh's moronic, stupid, insulting diatribe and the yesterday's testimony on Capital Hill by the HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius where dumbarse Republican Senator Tim Murphy could not even begin to grasp how the Morning After Pill actually works I am beginning to believe there are those who follow or lead the Republican movement who will only be happy when women are dragged by their hair back to the dark ages.

This whole thing makes me puke!
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Mar 2, 2012 - 08:50pm PT
"crickets if you're lucky, or the sound you hear when you put an empty sea shell to your ear..."

Kevin, a classic. Brilliant.


EDIT

Jeff are you back on the Stand? Hey, we may agree to disagree, but I think you do have soul dude.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 2, 2012 - 08:51pm PT
Haven't heard more than ten minutes total of him in years.

He's been around what, 25 years now?

It seems like about once a year there's an uproar and it only seems to bring him a bigger audience.

He plays your ilk like a piano.


sat·ire/ˈsaˌtī(ə)r/
Noun:

The use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of...
A play, novel, film, or other work that uses satire.

No she didn't she said she spent $3000 on birth control.

nature

climber
CO
Mar 2, 2012 - 08:52pm PT
Wow... TGT... you are kinda stupid too.

His is not satire.


Check Jon Stewart for satire.
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Mar 2, 2012 - 08:53pm PT
He is such an effing idiot.


edit.
Right Nature, he means it.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 2, 2012 - 08:54pm PT
It has to be funny to qualify as satire.
nature

climber
CO
Mar 2, 2012 - 09:01pm PT
It has to be funny to qualify as satire.


well that pretty much shows just how dumb you really are.

you just called Rush satire.

NOBODY laughs at his show. nobody.
nature

climber
CO
Mar 2, 2012 - 09:03pm PT
and oh by the way.... millions and millions of people laugh at Jon's satire.

you might knot. but you've clearly demonstrated just how different you are. (and irrelevent).
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Mar 2, 2012 - 09:03pm PT
Somebody is confused here. Is it me?






Jeesh, creationists, if only Adam and Eve would have used contraception, then this world would not be hitting over SEVEN Billion Humans. I mean, a planet can only go so far and take so much.


Of course futuristic DC-10s could transport an entire civilization across millions of miles. Yeah, well, I agree, that was a long reach. (Kind of like the one on The Peanut.)
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Mar 2, 2012 - 09:11pm PT
Watch THIS arse try to understand Ms. Sebelus. He does not want to hear anything but his chosen answer!

[Click to View YouTube Video]

Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Mar 2, 2012 - 09:18pm PT
I sure hope SHE is using some form of birth control!

His most recent wife...

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Mar 2, 2012 - 09:21pm PT
Even though I don't believe in welfare Rush Limbaugh came off as a fool tool.



Actually, the person that is going to re-elect Obama is Ron Paul when he runs as an independent and acts as a spoiler sucking Repugnican votes.

And Obama learned from Clinton, who went after gun owners in his first term, and paid for it in his second.
Obama is smart enough to wait until he is a lame duck before seeking a "legacy".
bergbryce

Mountain climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Mar 2, 2012 - 09:21pm PT
What used to be rush's schtick (saying absurd and easily provable false statements) is now the norm in right wing politics. Rush has to send the envelop flying off the desk in order to get any attention, like calling a law student a slut because she has to pay for her contraception.

I feel bad for that party, it's become the territory of the bat$hit with little room for anything else. Who do they think all those moderates are going to vote for??

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 2, 2012 - 09:23pm PT
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 2, 2012 - 10:08pm PT
If she's f*#king and we're paying for it,










































What does that make her?
dirtbag

climber
Mar 2, 2012 - 10:14pm PT
He's a fatt-fukk misogynistic dickhead. Period. Has been for years.

He can take his whiney, fat, white male pity party trip, put it in his cigar, stick the cigar up his shittter, then light it.

dirtbag

climber
Mar 2, 2012 - 10:16pm PT
If she's f*#king and we're paying for it,










































What does that make her?


Normal.

Get over your Madonna/Whore complex.
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Mar 2, 2012 - 10:37pm PT
I seem to remember reading she is a lesbian. If that is so you aren't paying for Dick... so to speak. The money she refers to is NOT FOR HER!!!! Read the transcript!!!!
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 3, 2012 - 12:10am PT
A $1000 bucks a year for contraception?

And we are supposed to pay for it?


who's the fool?
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Mar 3, 2012 - 12:13am PT
Cheaper than unwanted children. Or are you adopting?
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 3, 2012 - 12:16am PT
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 3, 2012 - 12:18am PT
Why should you or I pay for anyone's sexual proclivities?





BooYah

Social climber
Ely, Nv
Mar 3, 2012 - 12:21am PT
The ONLY Rush that matters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nmOMo4OPi4&feature=related

All others should shut the hell up.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 3, 2012 - 12:25am PT
At a $1000 a year I hope she's writing it off as a business expense.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Mar 3, 2012 - 12:27am PT
Why should you or I pay for anyone's sexual proclivities?
Stoopid izaz stoopid duz. Mama alleeze sed.


At a $1000 a year I hope she's writing it off as a business expense.
Would you settle for sharing Rush's porn video collection?
FRUMY

Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
Mar 3, 2012 - 12:32am PT
Who's the fool?
TGT you are the fool.
& not just here - you don't like this country or it's freedom & you have been clear about that.
I show a picture of one of the greatest lathes ever (made in the USA) & all you can say is American metal is no good.

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 3, 2012 - 12:34am PT
If this slut can't find a few bucks a day in her budget to get laid the three or four times she obviously does, then why would anyone ever consider hiring her when she becomes a lawyer?

I wouldn't hire someone with that lack of creativity - not as a lawyer, anyway. ( apparently, there are other things she is good at )

( as a consumer of lawyers, I know a thing or two about hiring the right lawyer, and she ain't it - she thinks too much inside the box )
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Mar 3, 2012 - 12:35am PT
Hebee Arse Whole.


It is not about her getting laid. Learn to read you misogynistic prig.
corniss chopper

climber
breaking the speed of gravity
Mar 3, 2012 - 12:36am PT
Who's in favor for a mercy exemption?
--- for our good buddy Liberals- free abortions 24/7.
A cadre of mobile vans making house calls nationwide...anywhere/anytime.




laughingman

Mountain climber
Seattle WA
Mar 3, 2012 - 12:39am PT
Democrats don't need negative ads.... We got Rush..... He does all the negative publicity we need for are election season...

anyway

Found a interesting article on abortion and crime rates here....

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/dialogues/features/1999/does_abortion_prevent_crime/_2.html




philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Mar 3, 2012 - 01:11am PT
$3000 for two years worth of rubbers is 4 dudes a day.

No dip squat, it represents $4.10 a day.
A small price to pay indeed.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 3, 2012 - 01:18am PT
If all that stood between me and getting laid was four dollars, you can bet your ass I could come up with a way to finance it myself - and I'm not even law school material.

Like I said, she has no future as a lawyer, if she can't think outside her box any better than that.

The Bunny Ranch is always hiring, though. She admits she is qualified for that.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Mar 3, 2012 - 01:22am PT
You're Welcome

corniss chopper

climber
breaking the speed of gravity
Mar 3, 2012 - 01:26am PT
philo- you Liberal genius - We know you want tax-payer funded: abortions, contraceptives,
schooling, housing, food, transportation, internet, clothing, climbing rack, rope, and a free Yosemite campsite w/ beer.

In return you'll be an 'Obama-Care' on demand heart/lung donor. Fair?

Mimi

climber
Mar 3, 2012 - 01:36am PT
A great show. I was smashed against the rail at the middle of the stage during the Rush 2112 tour in New Orleans. Someone threw an M80 from the balcony. I don't think the hearing in my left ear was ever the same. Passage to Bangkok rocked! We only stop for the best! LOL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQEgZNqa8jE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaC041pQl4I&feature=related
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 3, 2012 - 01:37am PT
The one thing an effective lawyer needs to be is creative.

This gal strikes me as one who doesn't have that essential skill.

I'd never hire her.
Mimi

climber
Mar 3, 2012 - 01:40am PT
No sensible person would deny a woman voluntary birth control. It's the principle damn it! This should not be an entitlement and the government has no business forcing it on the populace. Even if population control is a good idea. If you don't get this, sorry.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Mar 3, 2012 - 02:03am PT
A virulent vitriolic right wing witch hunt against a very brave and articulate young woman.
She would never work for a limpdick like you so no problem.

Equivalent to a Black man in the Klan, any woman who proclaims a connection with or support of this too far right party of misogynistic misanthropes should be ashamed. Then they should do the gene pool a favor and go get spayed.
Iron Mtn.

Trad climber
Riverside, Ca.
Mar 3, 2012 - 02:06am PT
limbaugh is an idiotic moron

Indeed, but he's having the last laugh getting all this attention that makes him relevant for the time being....
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Mar 3, 2012 - 02:11am PT
The shark jumped him.
laughingman

Mountain climber
Seattle WA
Mar 3, 2012 - 02:44am PT

[Click to View YouTube Video]

He makes a fairly good argument...
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Mar 3, 2012 - 02:47am PT
All the attention that Rush is getting (what? 99% negative) and all the attention the Republican hopefuls are getting discussing the health issues of women is WONDERFUL!!!!

Mr. Obama, don't bother getting up from the Presidential desk... you will be here for quite a while longer. It seems 50% of the voting population voted for you thanks to the way Republican men treated them.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Mar 3, 2012 - 10:18am PT
Why should you or I pay for anyone's sexual proclivities?

or their Wars?
zBrown

Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
Mar 3, 2012 - 10:45am PT
“Without insurance coverage, contraception, as you know, can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school."

She didn't say what she spent. Read the quote above. Spending $3000 in 3 years (the length of time most people spend in law school) works out to about $83.00 a month, which could include doctor visits and prescriptions. She also did not say she purchased rubbers.

The real crime here is that Rush L. makes money doing what he does.

He's looks and acts like a fat psychotic.
ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven
Mar 3, 2012 - 12:16pm PT
I almost never post in political forums, but the most recent Rush comments left me gobsmacked.

This country is in the middle of an ongoing economic crisis, engaged in two "wars" on foreign soil, has a legislative branch that is grossly sub-optimized by vitriolic partisan politics, has campaign fiancee laws and a lobbying system that are allowing well-funded special interest to subvert the best interest of the greater population, faces an ongoing erosion of civil liberties, has a medical system that, despite being one of the most advanced in the world, excludes a significant amount of the population and needs reforming, a pitifully underfunded education system, a military that consumes an inordinate amount of our GDP, etc, etc, etc...

and Rush wants to use his time talking like an 8th grade bully, calling this woman names, and getting worked-up over birth control. What a wast. I have yet to hear anything substantial out of the Republican party during this election, and Rush is perfectly aligned with the type of drivel that comes out of most of the candidates.

BTW, I am pro choice and agree with the position that this woman espoused 100%. But given the current state of affairs in this country and the world, I would think that other issues need to be higher on the priority list. All of the issues above are the elephants in the room that are continually eclipsed by the inflammatory issue of the moment, and this country continues to move in a negative direction.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Mar 3, 2012 - 01:20pm PT
this is a strange thread...

access to most contraception is through the medical system

health insurance covers individuals' costs to the medical system

it doesn't have to be about "morals." why is this issue intentionally diverted to the "culture wars?"

the peculiarity of the way health insurance is provided in the United States, through employers, is part of the difficulty. If health insurance were available not associated with employers than this particular issue would not exist...

there are advantages and disadvantages to providing health care in this manner, and the current system is a patchwork that probably isn't sustainable given the increases of health care spending

unfortunately, creating a health care system that achieves a desired end state with all the stakeholder concerns addressed seems to be impossible in this political era as issues, this thread topic being an example, quite apart from health coverage become the overwhelming focus

in our representative democracy the control of how the dollars are spent goes to the most frequently elected body, the House of Representatives, and while we may not always agree on everything that body spends on, we have the ability to remake that body to reflect the consensus view of the country

that is what is going on in this tortured time and while we may all look on disparagingly of this process, really it is a simple reflection of the country's attempt to come to grips with a number of difficult issues confronting it

certainly there are calls for a more efficient form of government, but I'm not sure that efficiency is an important attribute for a government, and certainly having a short-term view of the quarterly bottom line is not in the best interest of the government or the people

I'm optimistic that a solution will be achieved, and one appropriately reflecting the character of the country at this time... no doubt many will be disappointed with the outcome, but they should take heart in the process as it starts anew
icaro

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Mar 3, 2012 - 01:36pm PT
Big money goes around the world
Big money underground
Big money got a mighty voice
Big money make no sound
Big money pull a million strings
Big money hold the prize
Big money weave a mighty web
Big money draw the flies

Sometimes pushing people around
Sometimes pulling out the rug
Sometimes pushing all the buttons
Sometimes pulling out the plug
It's the power and the glory
It's a war in paradise
It's a cinderella story
On a tumble of the dice

Big money goes around the world
Big money take a cruise
Big money leave a mighty wake
Big money leave a bruise
Big money make a million dreams
Big money spin big deals
Big money make a mighty head
Big money spin big wheels

Sometimes building ivory towers
Sometimes knocking castles down
Sometimes building you a stairway --
Lock you underground
It's that old-time religion
It's the kingdom they would rule
It's the fool on television
Getting paid to play the fool

Big money goes around the world
Big money give and take
Big money done a power of good
Big money make mistakes
Big money got a heavy hand
Big money take control
Big money got a mean streak
Big money got no soul...

-The Big Money, by Rush

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ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven
Mar 3, 2012 - 02:07pm PT
Ed, I appreciate your well-thought post.

You said
and while we may not always agree on everything that body spends on, we have the ability to remake that body to reflect the consensus view of the country

I tend to think that is no longer the case. More and more I believe that well funded "special interest" groups control the elections through advertising dollars. I also believe that the mass media (Fox, CNN, MSNBC, etc) are more interested in selling advertising by focusing on inflammatory or sensational topics. Combine these two factors with the majority of the population being unable to distinguish between news, "journalistic entertainment" and fiction, and you get what we have now; a government made of elected officials who are skilled at raising money, pandering to special interests and focusing on the "hot topic" of the day. With that in mind, I believe that a large segment of the government we have today does not reflect the "consensus view of the country," but instead reflects the short term interests of a smaller, more educated and better funded segment of the population.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 3, 2012 - 02:22pm PT
He calls a Georgetown Law student a slut and prostitute for daring to speak about publicly funded contraception?

Maybe she is a slut. Did you here her comments?

Lets not forget that it's a disease issue not just a pregnancy issue.

What?? So now the lefties are couching the argument in STD forms??? What?

If you wanna f*#k and not get pregnant, pay for that yourself.....
dirtbag

climber
Mar 3, 2012 - 03:02pm PT

What?? So now the lefties are couching the argument in STD forms??? What?

If you wanna f*#k and not get pregnant, pay for that yourself.....

Lame.

Maybe we should ask insurance companies not to provide health services for any activity someone might think is extraneous?

(such as climbing)

The right wing has really screwed the pooch on this one. Of all the culture war battles to re-wage, birth control is probably the most settled. Backwards, dipshittery like this really makes me loathe the religious right.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Mar 3, 2012 - 03:03pm PT
Will this be the nail in the coffin for the limbag?

Because you know the republicon party really needs to change its image....Get an ounce of decency...
[Click to View YouTube Video]

What happened to having an ounce of respect... Oh yeah... that's right... they lost that long ago.

The republicons need to get some Teddy Roosevelt into them before I consider voting for them... Until then its the people party (until they screw it up)

If I were a republicon I'd be pointing out the race to the bottom that they seem to be running lead by the clown car of "Presidential Candidates"?

Sandroneum - Higher education makes you a snob? - Says the guy who has already gone through Pennsylvania State University and Dickinson School of Law. Yeah, he is a snob then.

Gingrich - Let's put kids to work in schools? Never mind that we already tried that once but it was made illegal in '38.

Cain - Philandering leader? Do we really need that?

Rummknee - Mormon? Nuff said. Believes in a god made up in the last 200 years..


Paul - Too bad the republicon party doesn't listen to reason...




(Hey Idiots Edit: Show me where what Obama said for insurance to cover will come out of your taxes?

I can believe that you believe everything you hear, but can you be any stupider to actually believe that Obama telling insurance companies to cover contraception for women means something for your taxes?????

I personally believe that this is a clear demonstration of a right winger showing ignorance, of the kind some on the ST board want to stop me from exhibiting.... Why don't they ever call iggy on themselves?

Pretty f*#king shallow)
gonzo chemist

climber
Fort Collins, CO
Mar 3, 2012 - 03:08pm PT
IHatePlastic,

that video you posted nearly gave me an aneurysm. The level of stupidity and ignorance displayed by Mr. Murphy (of PA) was staggering. Do these people really not hear the gibberish spewed forth from their own flapping gums? holy f*#k....I have to go lay down for a while...
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 3, 2012 - 03:20pm PT
Legal question...? Can Miss Fluke sue Dunce -boy Limbaugh for slander...? RJ
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 3, 2012 - 04:17pm PT
I can believe that you believe everything you hear, but can you be any stupider to actually believe that Obama telling insurance companies to cover contraception for women means something for your taxes?????

While you like to act smart, you only prove to be a fool. Who pays for everything in the 'end'????

Do you not comprehend that? Of course you you don't, you're a Democrat. Everybody else pays for your stuff.

You're so smart!
Rattlesnake Arch

Social climber
Home is where we park it
Mar 3, 2012 - 04:29pm PT
At some point we have to realize that there is a need to control the world population. Its not just the line of tourists entering the Valley.

Regardless of your point of view, funding birth control seems a small price to pay when compared to China's one child policy, for example. India and China are serious about population control. What about us?
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Mar 3, 2012 - 04:46pm PT
So, where in this statement Obama makes does he mention taxpayer dollars being used for any of the contraception mandate?

[Click to View YouTube Video]


Republitards are just idiotic, knee jerk, reactionaries that are obstructionist blow-hards with nothing of substance to provide to the overall betterment of the United States Of America.

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 3, 2012 - 04:56pm PT
Again, idiot, hormones aren't just for birth control, there's a list of medical reasons women need them - all of which lower health care costs for everyone.

Got it now?

Nice try. So "birth control hormones" are for health reasons now? Wow! Tell my 97 year old grandmother!!!!


And Dingus, who is going to teach birth control to Africa, India, an Asia?

Or is that racist somehow??

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 3, 2012 - 04:58pm PT
So, where in this statement Obama makes does he mention taxpayer dollars being used for any of the contraception mandate?

You really are a fool aren't you. Who will pay???
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Mar 3, 2012 - 04:58pm PT
Yes bluering, women take them for other reasons ...even women who cannot have children.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Mar 3, 2012 - 05:09pm PT
Hey everybody.. we got an idiot troll on our hands...

Who will pay???

Um... insurer.... Like he said in the statement?


Like I said, you tell me where it says that taxpayers are paying for contraception and I will still be for it, but you will instantly bump your credibility through the roof...


If only you could back up some of the bumbly idiocy you spew
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 3, 2012 - 05:28pm PT
Yes bluering, women take them for other reasons ...even women who cannot have children.


So tell me, Callie, so it's supposed to be free? Paid for by taxpayers? Deployed to high-school/college students for their 'health'?

I gotta call bS on this. It's a ploy.

And yes, my wife pays for her birth control, before you ask.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Mar 3, 2012 - 05:29pm PT
In fact, nobody has argued that the government should directly pay for contraception.

Have you watched or heard the Limbag pieces?
Have you read what bluetard has wirtten?

You are correct, this issue is absolutely manufactured. Made into something that it is not.

And that was mainly done by the republitard right, BTW
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Mar 3, 2012 - 05:32pm PT
Insurance companies love birth control. It is way cheaper than the cost of insuring a pregnant woman, the birth, and ten years of strep throat.

No kidding. I'm surprised that Insurance companies don't PAY women to be on birth control.

As an aside, either my devout Catholic friends don't do the deed very often or they are sneaking some birth control.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 3, 2012 - 05:33pm PT
So either she has no health insurance, or you're lying, and her coverage pays for it.

Why pay for it when it's included in her coverage if she has insurance?

Co-pay, Johnson.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Mar 3, 2012 - 05:48pm PT
You don't have insurance Bluering? Sorry to hear about that. I know it is toug

Edit: just saw your last post B. No one is arguing it should be free. They are discussing insurance covering it just like you have.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Mar 3, 2012 - 05:51pm PT
Co-pay, Johnson.

[Homer Simpson voice:]
Must.... Not.... make.... obvious.... joke...

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 3, 2012 - 05:51pm PT
No it's a co-pay, Callie, and you didn't answer my previous question.

EDIT:

O.k., so should taxpayers pay for free cancer drugs too, free diabetic drugs???
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
Mar 3, 2012 - 05:56pm PT
I've mostly ignored this thread and Rush L. But one thing I don't understand is taxpayer funded health coverage or contraceptives? Is there something out there besides medicare or whatever older folks get?

Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Mar 3, 2012 - 05:56pm PT
Struggling to type on a droid in a moving bus. The question about whether it should be free? No I dont think it should be free. Just like viagara and condoms should not be free.

Also don't think it appropriate to call any woman a slut and request that she tape her sex and post it. Rush was wrong in his approach imo.

Edit:
Curious where you heard that taxpayers were going to pay for it.
Rankin

Social climber
Greensboro, North Carolina
Mar 3, 2012 - 06:08pm PT
See you at the polls in November!!!
laughingman

Mountain climber
Seattle WA
Mar 3, 2012 - 06:11pm PT
No I dont think it should be free. Just like viagara and condoms should not be free.

Just pointing this out, but...

Contraceptives and or abortion logically would keep you (the taxpayer or employer) from having to pay for extra public services related to bring up a "unwanted child". No preschool, no head start, no free lunch, no welfare, no nothing....

So logically you save money by making condoms and contraceptives easy to get....
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 3, 2012 - 06:14pm PT
Also don't think it appropriate to call any woman a slut and request that she tape her sex and post it. Rush was wrong in his approach imo.

Get the original testimony that she made. And THEN listen to Rush's actual words. Never trust the media. I heard it.

Edit:
Curious where you heard that taxpayers were going to pay for it.

Listen to the gov't.
zeta

Trad climber
Portland, OR
Mar 3, 2012 - 06:31pm PT
I'm appalled and depressed at some of the views on this thread.

first, calling a woman a 'slut' and 'prostitute' is disrespectful and misogynist. Anyone who calls women names like this is not someone I could ever respect.

second, birth control pills are used for many other reasons than just preventing pregnancy! Look up polycystic ovary syndrome, ovarian cysts (there are many kinds of ovarian cysts), endometriosis, adenomyosis, dysmennorrhea etc. Ovarian cysts are very common for women and bcp are one of the main treatments for it. When I was 19, I learned that I had ovarian cysts and had to go on the pill (for 2 yrs) which prevented the cysts from growing and coming back. A friend of mine almost died 3 months ago from the ovarian cyst she had--it wasn't diagnosed until much too late--she had surgery, had her ovary removed. Cysts can cause later infertility. Birth control pills aren't perfect, but they do reduce women's likelihood for certain forms of cancer. They are used extensively by women, and not just to prevent pregnancy. Some of you on this thread have A LOT to learn about women's health.

and cost! Birth control pills are expensive--sometimes it's $1/day ($30month = $360/year); sometimes it's more, if you don't have health insurance. Sometimes women have to take many different kinds of birth control pills before they find one that works for them (there are so many that have different hormone levels). The cost of the nuva ring is anywhere between $20-80 month, so that comes to $240-960/year. I wonder how many men here have helped pay for their partner's birth control?

I'd like to agree that there are more important political issues, but as a woman, I am frankly scared at the direction this country is going on. Birth control pills have been legal and available since 1965 and here we are in 2012 with these kinds of debates. Access to contraception is fundamental to women's healthcare.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
Mar 3, 2012 - 06:38pm PT
I agree zeta. Some of the people on this thread are total cretins. I lost whatever respect I may have had for several.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 3, 2012 - 06:43pm PT
Also don't think it appropriate to call any woman a slut and request that she tape her sex and post it. Rush was wrong in his approach imo.

Edit:
Curious where you heard that taxpayers were going to pay for it.

It was in the bill until people realized it.

And Zeta, yes, sluts do exist. But it ain't just for chix.

It's a sex problem. Not a slut problem.

If you want the sex, fine. Just leave me alone. And my tax bill, and higher insurance rates.

F*#k on!
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Mar 3, 2012 - 06:54pm PT
I heard the original stuff Bluering. I also recognize that she is one person out of 312 million in the USA. That is not the same thing as the "government" saying tax payers should pay for everyone's birth control.

While I don't necessarily think that birth control should be free, I do believe it should be very affordable and easily obtained. I fear if it were free, no company would be compelled to produce it which would be a bad thing. If anything given what I see, it should be used by more, not fewer people. :)
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Mar 3, 2012 - 06:57pm PT
Can someone offer a link to the original bill, and the changed bill that says tax payers should pay for everyone's (oops, I mean women's) birth control?
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Mar 3, 2012 - 07:06pm PT
Maybe some males here are bummed because - not that anyone has actually read or understood it - they believe that the bill would only buy contraceptives for women, and they feel left out. (It appears to mostly be those males who seem most in need of condoms, at that.)

Or at least, bluering and others have gaily leaped to the conclusion that that's what the bill would require. Obviously not likely, and thoroughly muddied by Limbaugh's ugly, misognyist behaviour.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 3, 2012 - 07:44pm PT
Interesting related article


But the left finds it much easier and indeed it is more comforting to do so, until you're caught up short by reality. So when a topic comes up like the foolish college student who complains she has to have her employer pay for her contraceptives because its too much work to travel a half mile and buy her own for less than 10 bucks a month, the left leaps on it with both feet, blissfully ignorant of how the rest of the nation perceives it.

So now Sandra Fluke is the left's new hero, a voice of the oppressed, a woman abused by cruel Roman Catholic social conservatives, who would deny her her right to have sex without getting pregnant. She's gotten dozens of interviews and even a call from President Obama. Because she says her contraception costs her $1000 a year.

To them she's a voice of the oppressed women everywhere, fighting against the patriarchal right who'd crush her liberty. To everyone else, she's a bit of a slut (how many times per day is she having sex to cost that much in contraception??) and idiotic, demanding people pay for her contraceptives as if that's some sort of critical human right. And they're so tone deaf to the rest of the nation, the left thinks this is a huge PR win, a triumph that will crush their enemies. Because they're so isolated, by choice, from the rest of the story.

http://www.wordaroundthenet.com/


Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 3, 2012 - 08:18pm PT
Rush APOLOGIZES



After a media and political firestorm, Rush Limbaugh issued an apology on Saturday for calling student Sandra Fluke a "slut" on his radio show this week.

Limbaugh — who has a long history of making incendiary remarks, and is not known to take them back — issued the rare apology on Saturday afternoon, saying he was "sincerely" sorry about his "insulting" characterization of Fluke.


Fluke, a law student at Georgetown University who was advocating for health insurance plans to cover the cost of contraception, became the target of a series of attacks by Limbaugh. Besides calling her a "slut," he also called her a "prostitute," said that he wanted her to make sex tapes and post them online, and speculated that she only had a problem paying for contraception because she was having "so much sex."

Limbaugh's comments caused advertisers to flee from his show,
dirtbag

climber
Mar 3, 2012 - 08:20pm PT
F*#k that.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Mar 3, 2012 - 08:22pm PT
Fluke's Statement:

Leader Pelosi, Members of Congress, good morning, and thank you for calling this hearing on women’s health and allowing me to testify on behalf of the women who will benefit from the Affordable Care Act contraceptive coverage regulation. My name is Sandra Fluke, and I’m a third year student at Georgetown Law, a Jesuit school. I’m also a past president of Georgetown Law Students for Reproductive Justice or LSRJ. I’d like to acknowledge my fellow LSRJ members and allies and all of the student activists with us and thank them for being here today.
Georgetown LSRJ is here today because we’re so grateful that this regulation implements the nonpartisan, medical advice of the Institute of Medicine. I attend a Jesuit law school that does not provide contraception coverage in its student health plan. Just as we students have faced financial, emotional, and medical burdens as a result, employees at religiously affiliated hospitals and universities across the country have suffered similar burdens. We are all grateful for the new regulation that will meet the critical health care needs of so many women. Simultaneously, the recently announced adjustment addresses any potential conflict with the religious identity of Catholic and Jesuit institutions.
When I look around my campus, I see the faces of the women affected, and I have heard more and more of their stories. . On a daily basis, I hear from yet another woman from Georgetown or other schools or who works for a religiously affiliated employer who has suffered financial, emotional, and medical burdens because of this lack of contraceptive coverage. And so, I am here to share their voices and I thank you for allowing them to be heard.
Without insurance coverage, contraception can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school. For a lot of students who, like me, are on public interest scholarships, that’s practically an entire summer’s salary. Forty percent of female students at Georgetown Law report struggling financially as a result of this policy. One told us of how embarrassed and powerless she felt when she was standing at the pharmacy counter, learning for the first time that contraception wasn’t covered, and had to walk away because she couldn’t afford it. Women like her have no choice but to go without contraception. Just last week, a married female student told me she had to stop using contraception because she couldn’t afford it any
longer. Women employed in low wage jobs without contraceptive coverage face the same choice.
You might respond that contraception is accessible in lots of other ways. Unfortunately, that’s not true. Women’s health clinics provide vital medical services, but as the Guttmacher Institute has documented, clinics are unable to meet the crushing demand for these services. Clinics are closing and women are being forced to go without. How can Congress consider the Fortenberry, Rubio, and Blunt legislation that would allow even more employers and institutions to refuse contraceptive coverage and then respond that the non-profit clinics should step up to take care of the resulting medical crisis, particularly when so many legislators are attempting to defund those very same clinics?
These denials of contraceptive coverage impact real people. In the worst cases, women who need this medication for other medical reasons suffer dire consequences. A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian syndrome and has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from growing on her ovaries. Her prescription is technically covered by Georgetown insurance because it’s not intended to prevent pregnancy. Under many religious institutions’ insurance plans, it wouldn’t be, and under Senator Blunt’s amendment, Senator Rubio’s bill, or Representative Fortenberry’s bill, there’s no requirement that an exception be made for such medical needs. When they do exist, these exceptions don’t accomplish their well-intended goals because when you let university administrators or other employers, rather than women and their doctors, dictate whose medical needs are legitimate and whose aren’t, a woman’s health takes a back seat to a bureaucracy focused on policing her body.
In sixty-five percent of cases, our female students were interrogated by insurance representatives and university medical staff about why they needed these prescriptions and whether they were lying about their symptoms. For my friend, and 20% of women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription, despite verification of her illness from her doctor. Her claim was denied repeatedly on the assumption that she really wanted the birth control to prevent pregnancy. She’s gay, so clearly polycystic ovarian syndrome was a much more urgent concern than accidental pregnancy. After months of paying over $100 out of pocket, she just couldn’t afford her medication anymore and had to stop taking it. I learned about all of this when I walked out of a test and got a message from her that in the middle of her final exam period she’d been in the emergency room all night in excruciating pain. She wrote, “It was so painful, I woke up thinking I’d been shot.” Without her taking the birth control, a massive cyst the size of a tennis ball had grown on her ovary. She had to have surgery to remove her entire ovary. On the morning I was originally scheduled to give this testimony, she sat in a doctor’s office. Since last year’s surgery, she’s been experiencing night sweats, weight gain, and other symptoms of early menopause as a result of the
removal of her ovary. She’s 32 years old. As she put it: “If my body indeed does enter early menopause, no fertility specialist in the world will be able to help me have my own children. I will have no chance at giving my mother her desperately desired grandbabies, simply because the insurance policy that I paid for totally unsubsidized by my school wouldn’t cover my prescription for birth control when I needed it.” Now, in addition to potentially facing the health complications that come with having menopause at an early age-- increased risk of cancer, heart disease, and osteoporosis, she may never be able to conceive a child.
Perhaps you think my friend’s tragic story is rare. It’s not. One woman told us doctors believe she has endometriosis, but it can’t be proven without surgery, so the insurance hasn’t been willing to cover her medication. Recently, another friend of mine told me that she also has polycystic ovarian syndrome. She’s struggling to pay for her medication and is terrified to not have access to it. Due to the barriers erected by Georgetown’s policy, she hasn’t been reimbursed for her medication since last August. I sincerely pray that we don’t have to wait until she loses an ovary or is diagnosed with cancer before her needs and the needs of all of these women are taken seriously.
This is the message that not requiring coverage of contraception sends. A woman’s reproductive healthcare isn’t a necessity, isn’t a priority. One student told us that she knew birth control wasn’t covered, and she assumed that’s how Georgetown’s insurance handled all of women’s sexual healthcare, so when she was raped, she didn’t go to the doctor even to be examined or tested for sexually transmitted infections because she thought insurance wasn’t going to cover something like that, something that was related to a woman’s reproductive health. As one student put it, “this policy communicates to female students that our school doesn’t understand our needs.” These are not feelings that male fellow students experience. And they’re not burdens that male students must shoulder.
In the media lately, conservative Catholic organizations have been asking: what did we expect when we enrolled at a Catholic school? We can only answer that we expected women to be treated equally, to not have our school create untenable burdens that impede our academic success. We expected that our schools would live up to the Jesuit creed of cura personalis, to care for the whole person, by meeting all of our medical needs. We expected that when we told our universities of the problems this policy created for students, they would help us. We expected that when 94% of students opposed the policy, the university would respect our choices regarding insurance students pay for completely unsubsidized by the university. We did not expect that women would be told in the national media that if we wanted comprehensive insurance that met our needs, not just those of men, we should have gone to school elsewhere, even if that meant a less prestigious university. We refuse to pick between a quality education and our health, and we
resent that, in the 21st century, anyone thinks it’s acceptable to ask us to make this choice simply because we are women.
Many of the women whose stories I’ve shared are Catholic women, so ours is not a war against the church. It is a struggle for access to the healthcare we need. The President of the Association of Jesuit Colleges has shared that Jesuit colleges and universities appreciate the modification to the rule announced last week. Religious concerns are addressed and women get the healthcare they need. That is something we can all agree on. Thank you.




Link to the "Affordable Health Card for America Act"

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cts=1330824069485&ved=0CE4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhousedocs.house.gov%2Frules%2Fhealth%2F111_ahcaa.pdf&ei=XMNST9-fCMPe0gG7sN3rDQ&usg=AFQjCNHPgkiSyDmOhkTS4QfPY9R7rtEekg


P.S. Not sure if there is anything written just yet on the "New Contraceptive Mandate"... Nothing that has been voted on in Congress nor Senate... but then again... watching what Washington writes into las is not my favorite thing to do.

Cheers

(P.S. Sorry if that's a little too much reading for your liking, bluetard)
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 3, 2012 - 08:37pm PT
Callie, why should birth control be treated differently than any other HUMAN issue? What is this knee-jerk crap that the poor little women are still oppressed?

Maybe the gov't should be compelled to have taxpayers pay for...huh...OMG!!!..."Men's issues"!!!!

That would be sexist, right???

I'm tired of this sanctimonious lie that birth control is a "woman's health right".

Meh!
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Mar 3, 2012 - 08:40pm PT
Callie, why should birth control be treated differently than any other HUMAN issue? What is this knee-jerk crap that the poor little women are still oppressed?

Maybe the gov't should be compelled to have taxpayers pay for...huh...OMG!!!..."Men's issues"!!!!

That would be sexist, right???

I'm tired of this sanctimonious lie that birth control is a "woman's health right".

Meh!


Totally tarded

Maybe you're "tired of this sanctimonious lie that birth control is a "woman's health right" because it's never been an issue that you had anything to say about....

after all....

You, despite all your feminine stylings and characteristics, are not a female!
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Mar 3, 2012 - 08:49pm PT
Jingy: Thanks for posting Mz Fluke's statement.

The haters are still going to hate her, even if they bother to read it.

I don't know if "Tards" is the perfect description of the haters, but I can only offer up the modification:

ASSTARDS!
zeta

Trad climber
Portland, OR
Mar 3, 2012 - 08:58pm PT

why should birth control be treated differently than any other HUMAN issue? What is this knee-jerk crap that the poor little women are still oppressed?

blue: that's the point. Those of us who want birth control to be available would like it to be treated the same as any other health issue--as in being accessible, available, and affordable. I would love for birth control to not be a politicized issue, but unfortunately we've got people (like you?) making derogatory statements about women--linking birth control to her sexuality, her marital status, her age, promiscuity, etc.

What the hell does any of that have to do with the right to birth control?

Those of us fighting for this are not 'whining,' we're angry at the injustice. And we will take this fight to the polls...

sorry republicans...
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Mar 3, 2012 - 09:08pm PT
Zeta responds as I would have. It shouldn't be handled any differently. That is the entire point.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 3, 2012 - 09:12pm PT
Since when was pregnancy a disease?

Access to free food,free water, Free housing,

all you want!

is more of a health issue.

Statists never change!

From Bastiat, The law

Philanthropic Tyranny

While society is struggling toward liberty, these famous men who put themselves at its head are filled with the spirit of the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries. They think only of subjecting mankind to the philanthropic tyranny of their own social inventions. Like Rousseau, they desire to force mankind docilely to bear this yoke of the public welfare that they have dreamed up in their own imaginations.

This was especially true in 1789. No sooner was the old regime destroyed than society was subjected to still other artificial arrangements, always starting from the same point: the omnipotence of the law.

Listen to the ideas of a few of the writers and politicians during that period:

SAINT-JUST: The legislator commands the future. It is for him to will the good of mankind. It is for him to make men what he wills them to be.

ROBESPIERRE: The function of government is to direct the physical and moral powers of the nation toward the end for which the commonwealth has come into being.

BILLAUD-VARENNES: A people who are to be returned to liberty must be formed anew. A strong force and vigorous action are necessary to destroy old prejudices, to change old customs, to correct depraved affections, to restrict superfluous wants, and to destroy ingrained vices.... Citizens, the inflexible austerity of Lycurgus created the firm foundation of the Spartan republic. The weak and trusting character of Solon plunged Athens into slavery. This parallel embraces the whole science of government.

LE PELLETIER: Considering the extent of human degradation, I am convinced that it is necessary to effect a total regeneration and, if I may so express myself, of creating a new people.

The Socialists Want Dictatorship

Again, it is claimed that persons are nothing but raw material. It is not for them to will their own improvement; they are incapable of it. According to Saint-Just, only the legislator is capable of doing this. Persons are merely to be what the legislator wills them to be. According to Robespierre, who copies Rousseau literally, the legislator begins by decreeing the end for which the commonwealth has come into being. Once this is determined, the government has only to direct the physical and moral forces of the nation toward that end. Meanwhile, the inhabitants of the nation are to remain completely passive. And according to the teachings of Billaud-Varennes, the people should have no prejudices, no affections, and no desires except those authorized by the legislator. He even goes so far as to say that the inflexible austerity of one man is the foundation of a republic.

In cases where the alleged evil is so great that ordinary governmental procedures cannot cure it, Mably recommends a dictatorship to promote virtue: "Resort," he says, "to an extraordinary tribunal with considerable powers for a short time. The imagination of the citizens needs to be struck a hard blow." This doctrine has not been forgotten. Listen to Robespierre:

The principle of the republican government is virtue, and the means required to establish virtue is terror. In our country we desire to substitute morality for selfishness, honesty for honor, principles for customs, duties for manners, the empire of reason for the tyranny of fashion, contempt of vice for contempt of poverty, pride for insolence, greatness of soul for vanity, love of glory for love of money, good people for good companions, merit for intrigue, genius for wit, truth for glitter, the charm of happiness for the boredom of pleasure, the greatness of man for the littleness of the great, a generous, strong, happy people for a good-natured, frivolous, degraded people; in short, we desire to substitute all the virtues and miracles of a republic for all the vices and absurdities of a monarchy.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 3, 2012 - 09:20pm PT
Duh!
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 3, 2012 - 09:24pm PT
Same philosophical bunch.

Different century.

Human nature and the laws of physics are immutable.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 3, 2012 - 09:38pm PT
Zeta writes:

"blue: that's the point. Those of us who want birth control to be available would like it to be treated the same as any other health issue--as in being accessible, available, and affordable."


The County Health Department here dispenses all kinds of birth control - FREE - for nothing. Just for the asking. They provide health services for women / pregnancy / STD ( and other communicable diseases ) there as well - also FREE.

That's as accessible, available, and affordable as it could possibly get.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 3, 2012 - 09:41pm PT
Should a gone one more paragraph with Bastiat.

Usually, however, these gentlemen — the reformers, the legislators, and the writers on public affairs — do not desire to impose direct despotism upon mankind. Oh no, they are too moderate and philanthropic for such direct action. Instead, they turn to the law for this despotism, this absolutism, this omnipotence. They desire only to make the laws.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Mar 3, 2012 - 09:43pm PT
TGT! Thanks!

Statism
A new word for me today, thanks to you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statism

Wiki's brief defition is:

Statism (French; étatisme) is a term used by political scientists to describe the belief that, for whatever reason, a government should control either economic or social policy or both to some degree.[1][2][3][4] Statism is effectively the opposite of anarchism


Here's a new word for you: that defines those who argue endlessly on this thread, while insulting most-every woman.

ASSTARD.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Mar 3, 2012 - 09:45pm PT
Tell Rush's advertisers that you're not cool with bashing women based on Birth control use. THey are not "sluts" and "Prostitutes"

http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/ads_limbaugh/?rc=fb_share1

Peace

Karl
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 3, 2012 - 09:47pm PT
Here's another new word...TALIBLU....One who stones women for having sex on the tax payers credit card....RJ
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 3, 2012 - 09:48pm PT
One more paragraph.

Well, what liberty should the legislators permit people to have? Liberty of conscience? (But if this were permitted, we would see the people taking this opportunity to become atheists.)

Then liberty of education? (But parents would pay professors to teach their children immorality and falsehoods; besides, according to Mr. Thiers, if education were left to national liberty, it would cease to be national, and we would be teaching our children the ideas of the Turks or Hindus; whereas, thanks to this legal despotism over education, our children now have the good fortune to be taught the noble ideas of the Romans.)

Then liberty of labor? (But that would mean competition which, in turn, leaves production unconsumed, ruins businessmen, and exterminates the people.)

Perhaps liberty of trade? (But everyone knows — and the advocates of protective tariffs have proved over and over again — that freedom of trade ruins every person who engages in it, and that it is necessary to suppress freedom of trade in order to prosper.)

Possibly then, liberty of association? (But, according to socialist doctrine, true liberty and voluntary association are in contradiction to each other, and the purpose of the socialists is to suppress liberty of association precisely in order to force people to associate together in true liberty.)

Clearly then, the conscience of the social democrats cannot permit persons to have any liberty because they believe that the nature of mankind tends always toward every kind of degradation and disaster. Thus, of course, the legislators must make plans for the people in order to save them from themselves.

This line of reasoning brings us to a challenging question: If people are as incapable, as immoral, and as ignorant as the politicians indicate, then why is the right of these same people to vote defended with such passionate insistence?
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Mar 3, 2012 - 09:49pm PT
You don't get it Riley, if a woman gets pregnant it's her fault and nobody else's. And she's a whore.

Misogyny rules!!!

kennyt

climber
California
Mar 3, 2012 - 10:26pm PT
Now he's sorry. But I wonder if anyones gonna buy it.
corniss chopper

climber
breaking the speed of gravity
Mar 3, 2012 - 10:35pm PT
Dr F - you illustrate the absurdity of the Liberal mindset just as Rush does although you do it from the standpoint of a true believer.


Google made it official...

http://bossip.com/551446/president-obama-calls-georgetown-slut-to-console-her-after-rush-limbaughs-birth-control-diss-43081/
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Mar 3, 2012 - 10:50pm PT
i like this one,

ok repubs. sit down. put on your smart caps.
now leave them on for just a minute.
im about to drop a complex notion, a profound social concept.

you ready?
ok here goes...

"obama states that the solution to high gas prices is...."
hold on tight now geys and girls,

"fuel efficient vehicles."

it aint drillin in our ocean or piping thru pristine eco territory in order to sustain our habits in gross excess. nope.

this is why i love the man. this is why he will reign again for 4 years.
he's sensible. he's cool and collected. he's poised and concise. he couldn't give a damn about the theatre going on opposite the isle.

you people and your candidates are candid in your antics. but they're simply useless drama in the face of real and progressive change.

i'll vote intelligence and social responsibilty, thanks.

feel free, repubs, to take off your thinkin caps now and go upon your ignorant ways.
nature

climber
CO
Mar 3, 2012 - 10:59pm PT
you are giving them an awful lot of credit there weggie...

what makes you think they own thinking caps?
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Mar 3, 2012 - 11:18pm PT
^^^^BWAAHHAAAHHA!!! TRUE SO F*#KIN TRUE!!!!!^^^^^^^


i'll vote intelligence and social responsibilty, thanks.

feel free, repubs, to take off your thinkin caps now and go upon your ignorant ways.


Good call weggie!!!
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Mar 3, 2012 - 11:21pm PT
Nature: They have their

"non-thinking caps" on.

It's all the westerns they watched, or thought they watched.

They jest want to be the tuff-Marshal of "shist-town."





graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Mar 3, 2012 - 11:39pm PT
In her testimony, Fluke argued that contraceptive coverage was important for women’s health and she focused on its medical uses beyond preventing pregnancy. She told the story of a friend who lost an ovary because she did not have access to birth control, which might have prevented the growth of a cyst.

Limbaugh had characterized her argument as an attempt to “be paid to have sex.”

So does TGT.

I would not trust TGT to belay me. He's too stupid. That kind of stupidity is dangerous.
corniss chopper

climber
breaking the speed of gravity
Mar 3, 2012 - 11:43pm PT
Sandra Fluke is not a “slut.” She’s a femme-agogue tool.

...In one of her first interviews she is quoted as talking about how she
reviewed Georgetown’s insurance policy prior to committing to attend and
seeing that it didn’t cover contraceptive services she decided to attend
with the express purpose of battling this policy. During this time she was
described as a 23 y/o coed. Magically at the same time congress is debating
the forced coverage of contraception she appears and is even brought to
capitol hill to testify. This morning in an interview with Matt Lauer on
the Today show it was revealed that she is 30 y/o NOT the 23 that had been
reported all along.


In other words, folks, you are being played. She has been an activist all
along and the Dems were just waiting for the appropriate time to play her.


http://michellemalkin.com/2012/03/02/sandra-fluke-is-not-a-slut-shes-a-femme-agogue-tool/



Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Mar 3, 2012 - 11:49pm PT
My name is Sandra Fluke, and I’m a third year student at Georgetown Law, a Jesuit school. I’m also a past president of Georgetown Law Students for Reproductive Justice or LSRJ. I’d like to acknowledge my fellow LSRJ members and allies and all of the student activists with us and thank them for being here today.

CC: Was that the tipoff that Ms. Fluke is an "activist"? How observant of you. Of course, she said it before a congressional committee, in front of the national news media, and so it could be easily overlooked.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 3, 2012 - 11:55pm PT
You idiots fail to see the future, and you you fail to reflect on your past.

You want gov't sponsored birth control?

Do you know where this goes?

And if if you don't know, well, I'm another Breitbart. May he Rest in peace.


graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Mar 3, 2012 - 11:55pm PT
It has probably also escaped CC's notice that Limbaugh is much more of an "activist" then Ms. Fluke.
laughingman

Mountain climber
Seattle WA
Mar 3, 2012 - 11:56pm PT

House Oversight and Government Reform Committee sham going down last week.

"experts" my ass.....

You know what sad it is easier to get an abortion in Iran then it is in many states in the south.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4436445.stm


philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Mar 4, 2012 - 12:00am PT
ROTFLMAO!!!


TGT posted...
One more paragraph.

Well, what liberty should.....
....taking this opportunity to become atheists.) -1

Then liberty of education? ....
....to be taught the noble ideas of the Romans.) -2

Then liberty of labor? ....
....and exterminates the people.) -3

Perhaps liberty of trade? .....
...to suppress freedom of trade in order to prosper.) -4

Possibly then, liberty of association? .....
....associate together in true liberty.) -5

Clearly then, the conscience of.....
....save them from themselves. -6

This line of reasoning brings us....
....such passionate insistence? -7


So it is not just reading comprehension that utterly escapes the daddy of the genius soldier but simple math as well.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 4, 2012 - 12:08am PT
What you leftists fail to see is that we are awake now. Not because we were sleeping, but because everyone was cool, they were solid.

Turns out we were betrayed. And you f*#kers will never win, ya know why?

Americans like freedom. NOT GOVERNMENT.

piss off...
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Mar 4, 2012 - 12:11am PT
is it fair to say that there are consequences to having freedom of speech
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Mar 4, 2012 - 12:11am PT
You want gov't sponsored birth control?
Do you know where this goes?

Not quite sure how to answer that. First, what do you mean by "gov't sponsored"?

The government doesn't really "sponsor" things in the way most people use that word. Do you mean that the government would pay for everyone's birth control needs? Do you mean the government would require all health care providers to give free condoms to everybody? I honestly don't know what you're trying to say, so I can't answer your question about where I think this goes.

So, why not clarify what you mean, and then explain "where it goes."

Edit: and also explain why it goes there.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 4, 2012 - 12:13am PT
is it fair to say that there are consequences to having freedom of speech


you're a good example.

The government doesn't really "sponsor" things in the way most people use that word. Do you mean that the government would pay for everyone's birth control needs?

You lose right there, bro....
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Mar 4, 2012 - 12:17am PT
Steve, I have no idea what you're talking about. Lose? Huh? Lose what?

I just don't understand what you're saying, and am asking for some clarification.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 4, 2012 - 12:20am PT
I was referring to losing the argument.

Maybe I meant loose? I dunno
corniss chopper

climber
breaking the speed of gravity
Mar 4, 2012 - 12:20am PT
You Liberals are definitely feeling the pain over this round. By tomorrow we'll know who paid -agent provocateur- Fluke to attend Georgetown with instructions to mess with the religious freedoms the Constitution guarantee us all.

So you don't like your activists being called slut anymore than we like being called tea-bagger? What a surprise.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Mar 4, 2012 - 12:24am PT
Survival - it wasn't publicly funded contraception. The issue is whether private employers can refuse to cover contraception in the private health care plans they offer employees.

Inasmuch as this is already true in many states (supported by many Repubs, such as ROMNEY!), this is pretty much settled.

In fact, it gave religious organizations an out WHICH STATES HAD NOT UNDER REPUGS.

And sorry to say for your side, it WAS viewed that way, BY WOMEN.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Mar 4, 2012 - 12:27am PT
I was referring to losing the argument.

I'm not even having an argument. I just didn't understand what you were trying to say, or where you were going with it, so I hoped you'd explain.

Maybe I'd want to argue about it then, or maybe not, but until you clarify it's moot.

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 4, 2012 - 12:27am PT
Ghost, baby, this should be a non-issue. The Feds should f*#k off.

The States can differ.

And insurance companies should have free-will.

Like Rush,,,,man.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Mar 4, 2012 - 12:28am PT
I don't understand why Obama is forcing insurance companies to cover contraception, except as a partisan, political, election-year scheme to win re-election.

Chaz, there are many, many people in this country who are unhappy that medical care does not focus on PREVENTION, and instead focuses on treating AFTER THE FACT.

One part of the healthcare reform is to make preventive care more accessible.

Part of the reason for doing that is it DECREASES COST OF INSURANCE.

Access to highly effective birth control reduces the number of unwanted children---you oppose that?

It will reduce the number of abortions--you oppose that?

It will reduce the cost of healthcare, a HUGE problem (pregnancies and childbirth, and child healthcare is a LOT more expensive than pills)

And it in one way supports PREVENTION---you oppose that?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Mar 4, 2012 - 12:31am PT
I saw the video of her original little speech a couple of days ago.

$3000 for two years worth of condoms at a buck a piece works out to 4 times a day.


When did she have time for law school?

Typical "attack the advocate" instead of the issue.

You don't know SH*T about her sexual activities, but don't let that stop you from attacking her. She may be a lesbian for all you know.

But keep it up. PLEEZE! We have Norton's bet to protect.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Mar 4, 2012 - 12:32am PT
I saw the video of her original little speech a couple of days ago.

$3000 for two years worth of condoms at a buck a piece works out to 4 times a day.


When did she have time for law school?

I also LOVE that men are making decisions about what the appropriate birth control should be that women use.

Yep, women LOVE that sort of decision-making on their behalf, so they don't have to strain those brains with thinking........
paul roehl

Boulder climber
california
Mar 4, 2012 - 12:38am PT
Does a Jehovah's Witness have the liberty to deny his ten year old child a needed blood transfusion as a matter of the exercise of religious freedom?

If the child dies is that simply an unfortunate side bar subordinated to the unheeded need for religious liberty?

...OR DOES THE GOVERNMENT HAVE THE RIGHT TO INTERVENE WHEN RELIGION ABANDONS REASON TO THE DETRIMENT OF SOCIETY AND THE INDIVIDUAL?

Difficult questions to be sure!

But who can deny the fact that a woman's freedom is directly tied to her self evident right AND NEED TO CONTROL HER OWN BODY.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Mar 4, 2012 - 12:41am PT
How do you spend $3000 on birth control in 24 months?

Certainly that would be the top number. It is easy to choose cheap alternatives, but that does not apply to all.

consider that there are at least a couple of doctor visits involved, and lab tests involved.

yes, cheap birth control pills are cheap, like $5/mo. But some women do not tolerate them, and have to take specialized brands, and they can be expensive, like $75/mo, probably more now.

I've had women that I had to try 5-6 brands on, before finding one that was tolerable. the ones that didn't work go into the trash.
hellroaring

Trad climber
San Francisco
Mar 4, 2012 - 12:42am PT
too bad they didn't have the "morning after pill" for Rush's momma...
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Mar 4, 2012 - 12:43am PT
TGT? Rush also asked for porn videos from her if she was receiving public funding.

Are you in for them too?

Actually, it was for insurance covering it. So anyone getting anything from insurance should understand their obligation.
corniss chopper

climber
breaking the speed of gravity
Mar 4, 2012 - 12:54am PT
Riley W- Her bio is of some interest and supports the theory. Btw you
should remove your Liberal tinted glasses when reading.

Fluke
A revealing degree from Cornell and
some affiliations with groups that she may have started herself
to flesh out her resume, perhaps with a total membership of 'one' person -and published from her notebook?

...According to a bio on Georgetown's website, Fluke's professional background is in domestic violence and human trafficking advocacy. At Georgetown law, she is the former president of Law Students for Reproductive Justice, an editor for the Journal of Gender and the Law, and vice president of the Women's Legal Alliance. She has a bachelor's degree in Feminist, Gender & Sexuality studies from Cornell.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Mar 4, 2012 - 01:02am PT
Rush is an idiot, those of you who think he makes any difference belong in his grouping.


Rush represents the face of the Repubs for those who don't watch anything, even him.

He gives independents, ESPECIALLY women, a sense of how they are thought of.

It wasn't just this woman. It is clear that his camp thinks ANY woman who has had sex out of wedlock is a "whore". That probably includes most mothers, sisters, and daughters. Most women in America.

And she was NOT testifying about HER sex life, but that becomes what she is attacked for.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Mar 4, 2012 - 01:08am PT
If she's f*#king and we're paying for it,

What does that make her?
===

Wait! I thought you were of the party that wanted to GET OUT OF PEOPLES BEDROOM???

Why the hell is it any of your business.

And since a WHOLE LOT of American women, including MARRIED fit your definition....

What word DO you want to use to describe her?

(remembering that she did not say she was doing EITHER)
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Mar 4, 2012 - 01:09am PT
^(edit: response to corniss chopper)So she has a very focused area of interest, and that makes her an agent provocatuer?

You Liberals are definitely feeling the pain over this round. By tomorrow we'll know who paid -agent provocateur- Fluke to attend Georgetown with instructions to mess with the religious freedoms the Constitution guarantee us all.

So you don't like your activists being called slut anymore than we like being called tea-bagger? What a surprise.

Do you guys realize that you are ACTUALLY suggesting that this person somehow MANIPULATED Rush Limbaugh into calling her those things? Was there any uproar about her testimony before LIMBAUGH made those hideous comments?

And if the woman WAS chosen to speak because of her strong viewpoint - one that appears to be well-researched, and whom likely can provide sources which back up the numbers and examples she provided - that makes her somehow less legitimate? What credentials WOULD she have to supply to make her acceptable? Does it make NO sense to you that here educated perspective makes her am APPROPRIATE choice as a speaker?

My god, some of you people are frightening.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Mar 4, 2012 - 01:11am PT
What Limbaugh said, and what some here are parroting, is a textbook example of ad hominem argument. You have nothing intelligent to say about the actual issue, so you attack the other person.

The Republican party seems increasingly likely to go down to a flaming wreck this November, utterly bankrupt of ideas, leadership or decency.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Mar 4, 2012 - 01:30am PT
How could she say this?

Riley, you just don't understand. This is all part of a vast conspiracy of... Uh, I'm not sure just who all is involved, but it's a vast conspiracy against American freedom and against Jesus. And it's spearheaded by an undercover Muslim terrorist who, despite not being an American citizen, has become President of the United States and is now working to tear down everything the Founding Fathers stood for.

I don't understand it all either, but Bluering says this woman is evil and that giving her access to birth control is somehow going to lead to...

Well, he chose not to tell me where it would lead, but if he says it's evil, then who are we to argue?
laughingman

Mountain climber
Seattle WA
Mar 4, 2012 - 02:10am PT
Americans like freedom. NOT GOVERNMENT.



With no gov't at all, what happens, ALWAYS, is the creation of a harsh tyranny. Under no gov't, those with more physical power consolidate it, and use it to subjugate those around them, imposing a harsh tyranny.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Mar 4, 2012 - 02:27am PT
If this slut can't find a few bucks a day in her budget to get laid the three or four times she obviously does, then why would anyone ever consider hiring her when she becomes a lawyer?


PLEEZE keep it up. Every post you make like this pushes more and more voters to Obama.

With any effort on your part, Dems will win the house, too.

PLEEZE!
Mimi

climber
Mar 4, 2012 - 02:31am PT
Actually Joe, most know that this election doesn't really mean very much. A goat could've won the last one. As is obvious. It was a vote against the previous administration. The Congressional elections do matter in order to stymie this President's agenda. Let's see how the next few years pan out, not just the next few months.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Mar 4, 2012 - 02:35am PT
Maybe she is a slut. Did you here her comments?

Yep, and she did not talk about her sexual practices. So why are you? another bedroom you can sneak into?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Mar 4, 2012 - 02:41am PT
Nice try. So "birth control hormones" are for health reasons now? Wow! Tell my 97 year old grandmother!!!!


I'll tell you that. Highly effective treatment for a number of problems.

But that is only for women, so I imagine you are opposed, automatically, since they aren't "real" americans, like men, right?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Mar 4, 2012 - 02:44am PT
So tell me, Callie, so it's supposed to be free? Paid for by taxpayers? Deployed to high-school/college students for their 'health'?

I gotta call bS on this. It's a ploy.

And yes, my wife pays for her birth control, before you ask.

so you don't think enough of your wife to buy her quality insurance that covers drugs? Why should we care?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Mar 4, 2012 - 02:56am PT
By the way, if no one else here has said it (other than the President), I was very proud of this articulate woman, who represented the situation very clearly and well.

She spoke truth to power, not an easy thing to do. All Americans should do so well. She is exactly what we all hope our daughters grow up able to do.

I was particularly pleased with the President's call to her.
Mimi

climber
Mar 4, 2012 - 03:04am PT
The history of birth control, including abortion, does have a significant health component. Women's health has broad meaning and so does birth control. It's not about not getting preggers or being able to plook at will as was in the press lately. One cannot overlook that it helps prevent bad abortions and provides aid to women that are victims of sex crimes. I've always said, if men got pregnant, this wouldn't be a conversation.

As I recall, as a student in college on a typical student policy, birth control was essentially free $4 in the mid-80s. Once out in the private sector, it wasn't paid for and rose to as much as $30/month. Kinda like cable, a buck a day. Which I found stupid because everyone knows prevention saves money. Or does it? Insurance companies likely profit from pregnancies. Ever look at maternity policies? The cost was so high in the 80-90s that it wasn't worth it for what a routine delivery cost. Probably isn't much different now. That type of coverage is a separate policy and pretty much means you can have your baby in a private woman's hospital as opposed to a general one. Don't let the dingo get your baby!
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 4, 2012 - 03:07am PT
Good post.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Mar 4, 2012 - 03:16am PT
f men got pregnant, this wouldn't be a conversation.

Word.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Mar 4, 2012 - 03:25am PT
Which I found stupid because everyone knows prevention saves money. Or does it? Insurance companies likely profit from pregnancies. Ever look at maternity policies? The cost was so high in the 80-90s that it wasn't worth it for what a routine delivery cost. Probably isn't much different now. That type of coverage is a separate policy and pretty much means you can have your baby in a private woman's hospital as opposed to a general one. Don't let the dingo get your baby!

Mimi, probably the most expensive care in medicine is the care of neonates. It is easy to believe that a routine and simple pregnancy means moneymaking by the companies. But it is paying for the neonates and complicated pregnacies.
Mimi

climber
Mar 4, 2012 - 03:28am PT
That is true. My brother is a NNP and it's amazing what saving a baby can cost for a young family. Immediate bankruptcy in many cases to save it. We don't let babies die here as in some countries. No matter what the cost. And the state of the child.
zeta

Trad climber
Portland, OR
Mar 4, 2012 - 03:36am PT
Once out in the private sector, it wasn't paid for and rose to as much as $30/month. Kinda like cable, a buck a day.

totally Mimi!

Back in the mid 90s, a male gynecologist in Montana told me that I shouldn't complain about the cost of birth control pills, since, as he put it, "oh come on, now $1 a day is cheap, it'll keep you from getting pregnant."

I told him that my bcp were for preventing ovarian cysts (not pregnancy), that I was unemployed (at that time) so paying over $300/yr WAS expensive, and that he didn't have a clue about the real lives of women. Total jerk.

If men could get pregnant, you can bet that this whole thing would never be an issue. A funny (similar) take on this is Gloria Steinen's classic old article, "If Men Could Menstruate" (I can hear bluey and others already freaking out about feminazis...ha ha...!) here you go boys!

http://www.haverford.edu/psych/ddavis/p109g/steinem.menstruate.html
Mimi

climber
Mar 4, 2012 - 03:43am PT
hahahaha! zeta, right on!

The pill is also used to alleviate painful periods and other issues.

Women are superior. Men have been involved in the conspiracy to deny this forever. This is so obvious. Kinda like the concept of women being a minority. Oppression all the way.
dirtbag

climber
Mar 4, 2012 - 09:27am PT
Bluering, TGT, Chaz...you guys have really lost it.
bergbryce

Mountain climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Mar 4, 2012 - 12:16pm PT
The world would be a better place if that windbag goes the way of Glen Beck. Let's do it.
pc

climber
Mar 4, 2012 - 03:34pm PT
Limbaugh's just trying to make a buck. Shock jock no more, no less. That folks "believe" what he spouts is a mystery and truly sad.



apogee

climber
Mar 4, 2012 - 03:44pm PT
(Reposting of TGT's post, for emphasis)

"Interesting related article:"


But the left finds it much easier and indeed it is more comforting to do so, until you're caught up short by reality. So when a topic comes up like the foolish college student who complains she has to have her employer pay for her contraceptives because its too much work to travel a half mile and buy her own for less than 10 bucks a month, the left leaps on it with both feet, blissfully ignorant of how the rest of the nation perceives it.

So now Sandra Fluke is the left's new hero, a voice of the oppressed, a woman abused by cruel Roman Catholic social conservatives, who would deny her her right to have sex without getting pregnant. She's gotten dozens of interviews and even a call from President Obama. Because she says her contraception costs her $1000 a year.

To them she's a voice of the oppressed women everywhere, fighting against the patriarchal right who'd crush her liberty. To everyone else, she's a bit of a slut (how many times per day is she having sex to cost that much in contraception??) and idiotic, demanding people pay for her contraceptives as if that's some sort of critical human right. And they're so tone deaf to the rest of the nation, the left thinks this is a huge PR win, a triumph that will crush their enemies. Because they're so isolated, by choice, from the rest of the story.

http://www.wordaroundthenet.com/


Wow, TGT- if that is an example of an 'interesting article' that truly reflects your view, it's pretty hard to regard any of your efforts towards intellectual conservatism (ahem) with any seriousness.

For a guy who prides himself on historical knowledge and perspective, that kind of shite is nothing more than sewer-level ranting. WTF, dude?
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Mar 4, 2012 - 08:10pm PT
blue

You idiots fail to see the future, and you you fail to reflect on your past.

You want gov't sponsored birth control?

Do you know where this goes?

And insurance companies should have free-will.

First of all, practically ALL insurance companies want to cover birth control because having a baby costs them big bucks. Its the employer/church who tells the insurance company not to cover something because of religious values. But in this country, you get your insurance from your employer and perhaps shouldn't be forced to adopt their religious values if you work for their hospital rather than for the church itself.

I'm astounded by people who cry about abortion, which they say should be illegal for everyone, and then fail to support the one thing that frail humans can do to prevent it, birth control (cause if you're buying your viagra and your single like Rush was, he's not "Abstinent" If the preachers can't stay Abstinent, then what should we call them and their calls for abstinence?

Ken wrote

Chaz, there are many, many people in this country who are unhappy that medical care does not focus on PREVENTION, and instead focuses on treating AFTER THE FACT.

One part of the healthcare reform is to make preventive care more accessible.

Part of the reason for doing that is it DECREASES COST OF INSURANCE.

Access to highly effective birth control reduces the number of unwanted children---you oppose that?

It will reduce the number of abortions--you oppose that?

It will reduce the cost of healthcare, a HUGE problem (pregnancies and childbirth, and child healthcare is a LOT more expensive than pills)

And it in one way supports PREVENTION---you oppose that?

CC
You Liberals are definitely feeling the pain over this round. By tomorrow we'll know who paid -agent provocateur- Fluke to attend Georgetown with instructions to mess with the religious freedoms the Constitution guarantee us all.

Why should I have to pay for war? Particularly when there' no threat to us and it's based on untruth like the Iraq war? Get real. She was called because she was an activist just like those preachers were called because they had an axe to grind

Come on dude

Peace

Karl
zBrown

Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
Mar 4, 2012 - 08:30pm PT
Rush L. as shock jock? Too bad the (is it?) 20 million listeners don't realize it. I wonder how many of that 20 million are actually deaf?

I ran into Rush in the airport bathroom one time. He kept tapping his foot under the stall door. I finally asked him what it was that he wanted and he said he just wanted to look in my toilet to see what kinda sh*t was going down. Funny thing, when I obliged, his foot slipped and he fell in. Only thing that saved from an ignominious trip to the Bahamas was that he was so fat his neck hung up in drain.

Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Mar 4, 2012 - 08:33pm PT
from

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/03/04-3

...Conservatives keep arguing about this as if private health insurance were some monetary redistribution program. In fact, the health insurance women use to pay for these services is theirs, just as surely as their wages are theirs. Insurance you get through your employer is paid for by you through a combination of labor and money. Limbaugh’s claims that he’s paying for my contraception when I use my insurance to pay for it make as much sense as Limbaugh taking over my checking account and declaring it’s his money. It’s true that taxpayers subsidize access to contraception for low-income women through programs like Title X and Medicaid---rightly, since public health is a concern of the taxpayer---but that’s not actually the money in dispute here.

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 4, 2012 - 09:29pm PT
She's Single so the sex is obviously recreational. (unless she's writing off the expenses)

And at a thousand bucks a year for contraception evidently a lot of it.


Climbing is necessary for my mental health. That's much more justifiable as a medical expense.




I want you all to pay for that too.

When is Obamacare going to start paying for may gas bills and shouldn't I get a free national parks pass as well?
apogee

climber
Mar 4, 2012 - 09:31pm PT
"She's Single so the sex is obviously recreational."

You don't know what the hell you are talking about, TGT.
zBrown

Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
Mar 4, 2012 - 09:45pm PT
"She's Single so the sex is obviously recreational."

You don't know what the hell you are talking about, TGT.

Have to agree TGT. Is sex after marriage not recreational? If you don't climb exclusively in your backyard, then you are subsidized because you are climbing on our public lands.

If you are going to inhale the gas (you sound like a huffer) you might start up a ballot initiative to get your indulgence covered in the same way that medical marijuana is treated as a medical issue. When you OD are you then going to want the government to pay for your hospitalization too?
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Mar 4, 2012 - 09:52pm PT
She's Single so the sex is obviously recreational. (unless she's writing off the expenses)

And at a thousand bucks a year for contraception evidently a lot of it.


Climbing is necessary for my mental health. That's much more justifiable as a medical expense.




I want you all to pay for that too.

When is Obamacare going to start paying for may gas bills and shouldn't I get a free national parks pass as well?

Geez bro. Get a clue about the issue. This is about people who pay for their insurance partly and partly work for it as a benefit of employment. THey are paying for their own birth control through this most basic tenant of our health care system and it's even cheaper for the insurance companies to provide it versus risk her getting pregnant.

You can call all sex that's not for procreation recreational but then so is everything that's not eating, shelter, and work. I suppose you'd expect your insurance to cover an injury you sustained while needlessly recreationally climbing

Peace

Karl
dirtbag

climber
Mar 4, 2012 - 09:56pm PT
Well said, Karl.

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 4, 2012 - 10:00pm PT
You can call all sex that's not for procreation recreational but then so is everything that's not eating, shelter, and work.

So where's my check every month?
Risk

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Mar 4, 2012 - 10:01pm PT
Let’s not get diverted from the facts of what Limbaugh said and what he meant. And, let’s keep listening (and documenting) who defends him or minimizes his words and intent. Anyone who defends or minimizes this event and tries to divert the subject is an enemy to 50+ percent of the population right out of the gate (read: all women). There are issues to debate elsewhere, but certainly any defense of Mr. RL on this thread paints one as worse than a chauvinist. I’m with Ron Paul for a change: no forgiveness. Boycott every advertiser on his show forever.
Risk

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Mar 4, 2012 - 10:11pm PT
I doubt even 10 percent of conservatives support RL on this! Do you? Voice your support here!
slayton

Trad climber
Here and There
Mar 4, 2012 - 10:35pm PT
And as for this issue helping to reelect Comrade Obama, dream on. This whole hype-storm will be off of everyone's radar in a week.

You're right DT, the anti-Obama establishment is almost certainly already working on their next silly, off the mark, fear mongering, lets rile up the uneducated masses against the "liberal agenda" attack. That, too, will almost certainly be shown to be quackery and draw that many more potential supporters away from the republican party base. And then they'll try something else. It's like some inevitable chain reaction where the end result is nothing more than the sucking sound as the water from their collective tub of ideas goes down the drain. Which, in this case, is where it belongs.
zBrown

Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
Mar 4, 2012 - 10:40pm PT
So where's my check every month?

Do you have a job? Try getting one, maybe they'll let you purchase insurance as an employee, so that it will cover you when you go to the hospital to get your head out of your ass.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Mar 4, 2012 - 10:44pm PT
So where's my check every month?

Do you have a job?

He might but clearly he isn't having sex.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 4, 2012 - 10:47pm PT
The word used was certainly not PC.

But, the behavior described not according to the prevailing social norm unusual,negative and even desirable.


So why the outrage?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 4, 2012 - 10:52pm PT
well,

not "PC" would be like using a salad fork instead of a dinner fork.


Most six year olds would understand that calling a young woman a "slut" and a "prostitute" on public radio is just a tiny bit different from "not being PC"

And only a complete moron would fail to see the difference

philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Mar 4, 2012 - 10:59pm PT
But, the behavior described not according to the prevailing social norm unusual,negative and even desirable.


So why the outrage?


What description? You mean the bald faced lie that Limbaugh spews?
Because dude you have made it clear you can't comprehend a "See Spot Run" book.

You, Blew, Chaz, DT and Cornhole Chomper are human paraquat.
Quick go donate your bodies to medical science now so somebody can get use out of them. Don't worry about your minds though as there is still room in the land fill for toxic waste.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Mar 4, 2012 - 11:03pm PT
The word used was certainly not PC.

But, the behavior described not according to the prevailing social norm unusual,negative and even desirable.


So why the outrage?

Which behavior do you speak of, taking the pill as a prevention of ovarian cyst or sex (even with a committed relationship) without intention to have babies every few years?

PEace

Karl
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 4, 2012 - 11:09pm PT
All of you and Rush have been played on this one.

For me the interesting part of the story is the ever-evolving “coed”. I put that in quotes because in the beginning she was described as a Georgetown law student. It was then revealed that prior to attending Georgetown she was an active women’s right advocate. In one of her first interviews she is quoted as talking about how she reviewed Georgetown’s insurance policy prior to committing to attend, and seeing that it didn’t cover contraceptive services, she decided to attend with the express purpose of battling this policy. During this time, she was described as a 23-year-old coed. Magically, at the same time Congress is debating the forced coverage of contraception, she appears and is even brought to Capitol Hill to testify. This morning, in an interview with Matt Lauer on the Today show, it was revealed that she is 30 years old, NOT the 23 that had been reported all along.

In other words, folks, you are being played. She has been an activist all along and the Dems were just waiting for the appropriate time to play her.

While she is described as a “third year law student” they always fail to mention that she is also the past president of Law Students for Reproductive Justice.


And BTW the Target within walking distance of a Jesuit school, (Georgetown)


Sells the pill for nine dollars a month. no insurance required.

Isn't law school a two year stint?
Risk

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Mar 4, 2012 - 11:15pm PT
Classic minimization of RL speak, T. Let's hear more!
slayton

Trad climber
Here and There
Mar 4, 2012 - 11:26pm PT
A quote from the unattributed quote by TGT above:
In other words, folks, you are being played. She has been an activist all along and the Dems were just waiting for the appropriate time to play her.


So just what are you saying here? Or seemingly agreeing with? That the evil democrats unleashed this woman as a secret weapon knowing that RL would spew forth with his typical BS and cause a backlash? Wow!! Either the democrats and her handlers(such foresight !!) are a whole lot smarter than I took them for or the republicans are a whole lot dumber than I took them for.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 4, 2012 - 11:27pm PT
Democrats can't run on their record.

They have to gin up something.

Running on rubbers?


Really?

philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Mar 4, 2012 - 11:28pm PT
Yes please explain what is wrong with being an activist?


The Dems record of positive accomplishments dwarfs the pathetic attempts of the Repubs.
Where have you had your head buried for all these years? Lift a cheek and speak.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 4, 2012 - 11:31pm PT
Here are the 52 smears by Rush Limbaugh.'




Feb. 29, 2012:

1) “she's having so much sex she can't afford her own birth control pills”
2) “they're having so much sex they can't afford the birth control pills!”
3) “essentially says that she must be paid to have sex, what does that make her? It makes her a slut, right? It makes her a prostitute. She wants to be paid to have sex. She's having so much sex she can't afford the contraception. She wants you and me and the taxpayers to pay her to have sex.”
4) “Sandra Fluke. So much sex going on, they can't afford birth control pills.”

March 1, 2012:

5) “You'd call 'em a slut, a prostitute”
6) “she's having so much sex”
7) “are having so much sex that they’re going broke”
8) “they want to have sex any time, as many times and as often as they want, with as many partners as they want”
9) “the sexual habits of female law students at Georgetown”
10) “are having so much sex that they’re going broke”
11) “having so much sex that it's hard to make ends meet”
12) “four out of every ten co-eds are having so much sex that it's hard to make ends meet”
13) “Now, what does that make her? She wants us to buy her sex.”
14) “to pay for these co-eds to have sex”
15) “she and her co-ed classmates are having sex nearly three times a day for three years straight, apparently these deadbeat boyfriends or random hookups that these babes are encountering here, having sex with nearly three times a day”
16) “Therefore we are paying her to have sex. Therefore we are paying her for having sex.”
17) “Have you ever heard of not having sex so often?”
18) “Ms. Fluke and the rest of you feminazis, here's the deal: If we are going to pay for your contraceptives and thus pay for you to have sex, we want something for it. And I'll tell you what it is. We want you to post the videos online so we can all watch.”
19) “we want something in return, Ms. Fluke: And that would be the videos of all this sex posted online so we can see what we are getting for our money.”
20) “'If we're paying for this, it makes these women sluts, prostitutes.' And what else could it be?”
21) “essentially says that she must be paid to have sex. What does that make her? It makes her a slut, right?”
22) “I'm having sex so damn much, I'm going broke.”
23) “She's having so much sex that she's going broke! There's no question about her virtue.”
24) “having so much sex she's going broke at Georgetown Law.”
25) “Here's a woman exercising no self-control. The fact that she wants to have repeated, never-ending, as often as she wants it sex -- given.”
26) “She's having so much sex it's amazing she can still walk, but she made it up there.”
27) “Maybe they're sex addicts.”
28) “to pay for her to have sex all the time.”
29) “she wants the rest of us to pay for her sex.”
30) “She wants all the sex that she wants all the time paid for by the rest of us.”
31) “Here this babe goes before Congress and wants thousands of dollars to pay for her sex.”
32) “a woman who is happily presenting herself as an immoral, baseless, no-purpose-to-her-life woman.”
33) “She wants all the sex in the world, whenever she wants it, all the time.”
34) “If this woman wants to have sex ten times a day for three years, fine and dandy.”
35) “to provide women from Georgetown Law unlimited, no-consequences sex.”
36) “so she can have unlimited, no-consequences sex.”
37) “You want to have all the sex you want all day long, no consequences, no responsibility for your behavior”
38) “The woman wants unlimited, no-responsibility, no-consequences sex, and she wants it with contraceptives paid for by us.”

March 2, 2012:

39) "she's having so much sex, she can't afford her birth control pills anymore.”
40) “she's having so much sex, she can't pay for it -- and we should.”
41) “She's having so much sex, she can't afford it.”
42) “this, frankly hilarious claim that she's having so much sex (and her buddies with her) that she can't afford it.”
43) “And not one person says, 'Well, did you ever think about maybe backing off the amount of sex that you have?'”
44) “Does she have more boyfriends? Ha! They're lined up around the block.”
45) "It was Sandra Fluke who said that she was having so much sex, she can't afford it.”
46) “By her own admission, in her own words, Sandra Fluke is having so much sex that she can't afford it.”
47) “they're having a lot of sex for which they need a lot of contraception.”
48) “Her sex life is active and she's having sex so frequently that she can't afford all the birth control pills that she needs.”
49) “who admits to having so much sex that she can't afford it anymore.”
50) “she's having so much sex, she can't pay for it.”
51) “As frequently as she has sex and to not be pregnant, she's obviously succeeding in contraception.”
52) “Ms. Fluke, asserts her right to free contraceptive, to handle her sex life -- and it's, by her own admission, quite active.”

UPDATE: added thanks to your comments,
53) "Ms. Fluke, who bought your condoms in junior high? Who bought your condoms in the sixth grade, or your contraception?"
Risk

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Mar 4, 2012 - 11:31pm PT
A political conundrum for the repubs. They can't confirm nor deny RL support!
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Mar 4, 2012 - 11:36pm PT
Law school is generally a three year endeavor.
dirtbag

climber
Mar 4, 2012 - 11:45pm PT
Democrats can't run on their record.

Yeah, they can't run on economic recovery.

Or killing Bin Laden.

Or pulling out of Iraq.

Or health care reform.
slayton

Trad climber
Here and There
Mar 4, 2012 - 11:53pm PT
Democrats can't run on their record.

They have to gin up something.

Running on rubbers?


Really?

I'll second that. .. .. .. Really?? That's what you got? Democrats "running on rubbers?" You're in great league with all the other sound-bite fear mongers.

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 4, 2012 - 11:56pm PT
apogee

climber
Mar 5, 2012 - 12:38am PT
I'd give you kudos for that list, but it's so eaaasssyyy to cite the many reasons Repugs are repugnant, isn't it?
apogee

climber
Mar 5, 2012 - 12:46am PT
I dunno, TGT, it's pretty hard to deny that it's the Repugs who are desperately spewing yellow custard outta their arse as election day marches closer, and they're still stuck with Romney.

President Obama vs. Republican Candidates
vs. Romney: Obama by 4.7
vs. Santorum: Obama by 5.2
vs. Gingrich: Obama by 12.7 (!!)
vs. Paul: Obama by 6.6

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html


Yep, you guys are fooked. Bwahaahaaahahhaaa!

bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Mar 5, 2012 - 08:59am PT
conservatives have joe the plumber and libs have sandra the fornicator

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/04/rush-limbaugh-s-apology-liberal-men-need-to-follow-suit.html


ok, i agree that "slut" and "prostitute" were the "wrong words" because we can't prove the first and the second isn't exactly accurate; however, consider:

ms. fluke (btw, rhymes with what appears to be her favorite extracurricular activity) claims contraception is too expensive despite the fact that the local target store (just two blocks from gu) sells two types of pill for just $9/month AND there are DOZENS of locations around dc that provide FREE comdoms (you can even have them delivered to your residence)

ms. fluke does not claim any medical need for contraception (like her lesbian friend who was not seeking contraception but medical treatment)

therefore, we can conclude fluke does not "need" contraception but simply wants it for sexual purposes; that doesn't make her a slut, but it does invalidate the libs' claim that this is a "women's health" issue

let's assume the cheap target pills are not suitable (for medical reasons) for ms. fluke; i wonder why she doesn't ask her boyfriend to share (or even cover in its entirety) the cost of her particular contraception (if she doesn't have a boyfriend but apparently still wants contraception, then, perhaps, limbaugh was correct on the first count); but perhaps, he, like her, is also too poor; so, why don't the two of them take advantage of the FREE condoms easily available around dc? why does she insist that other people pay for her contraception?

i remember when women complained that, because of the pill, men expected them to take full responsibility for birth control--is ms. fluke proof that women like her are willing to submit to men on this issue?

finally, is it really too much to ask that people control their sexual urges? i mean, libs demand that people control other equally strong urges and even insist that the government should play a central role in protecting people from these urges:



What if government treated eating the way it treats sex?


It’s a useful distinction to consider. A particular moral idea governs left-wing views on social and health matters, and the left’s purpose with political advocacy is to put the power of government behind that view. By examining the left’s very different policy approaches to eating and sex, we can discern the features of the morality at work.

The left’s governmental approach to sex today involves, among other things, the following:

1. Advertising it to children through the public schools and encouraging them to explore and participate in it.

2. Basing policy on the assumption that no solution to any problem lies in individuals restraining or channeling their sexual urges, and therefore even the intractable facts of nature should not be left, with their powerful incentives, to encourage that posture. It is important, instead, to create an environment conducive to sex unfettered by its natural consequences.

3. Providing, at public expense, the means to have sex on one’s own terms, but avoid procreation and sexually transmitted diseases.

4. Providing, at public expense, the means to support children who are born nevertheless.

5. To adjust the balance between 3 and 4, encouraging and advocating the use of contraception and the resort to abortion.
The suite of policies advocated by the left is designed to encourage sex but limit procreation and STDs. The social “good,” therefore, is deemed to be unfettered sex, while the social “ills” are the birth of children and the suffering (and infectiousness) incident to STDs.

Let’s compare this moral view and its program construct to the left’s policy attitude toward eating. In this latter realm, the social “ills” are thought to be obesity and the medical problems that come with it. But what is the social “good”? Is there one? It’s hard to say, because eating – which can be a most enjoyable activity, and far less avoidable than sex – is not, in the left’s moral view, considered a “good” to be promoted on whatever terms the individual prefers.

The left’s governmental treatment of eating is very different from its treatment of sex. It runs on these lines:

1. Advertising to children (as well as adults) the evils of certain kinds of food.

2. Basing policy on the assumption that the people must be nudged or even coerced to eat according to whatever principle is suggested by the most recent studies. It is important to create an environment in which eaters have to go well out of their way to avoid the choices made for them by government authorities. The ideal, in fact, is an environment in which eaters can’t avoid the dictates of the government.

3. Ensuring that the expenses of obesity are, increasingly, born by the public, while fanning political resentment of those expenses, and of the condition of the obese.

4. Proclaiming that the solution in every case is controlling what people eat, rather than providing for the obese the same publicly-funded relief offered to the sexually promiscuous.

It is hard to make the case that eating a lot is worse than having a lot of sex outside of commitment and marriage. At the very most, the two practices are a moral wash, one no worse than the other. Both involve doing discretionary things with one’s body. Both involve courting well-known consequences. Both involve the strong potential for inconvenience to oneself and the larger community. It is making an arbitrary moral judgment, to insist that what causes obesity should be dealt with through coercion and the limiting of options, while what causes unwanted pregnancies and STDs should be the object of solicitude, and public programs based not on denial but on mitigation.

We know that eating in moderation and limiting certain foods generally results in better health than eating, indiscriminately, lots and lots of things we enjoy for only a brief moment.

But we also know that not having sex prevents pregnancy and STDs with unparalleled effectiveness. We know, moreover, that disciplining our sex drives, keeping sex within marriage, welcoming the children that come from it, and raising them with a father and mother are substantially more effective in preventing STDs, “unwanted” children, poverty, delinquency, addiction, and hopelessness than are government programs to distribute condoms and subsidize abortion providers.

If government treated obesity the way it treats sex, it would encourage schoolchildren to explore their enjoyment of Twinkies, Oreos, and moon pies; it would employ professionals to devise ways of suiting government policies to the principle that our bodies belong to us and we can put whatever we want in our stomachs; it would hold legislative hearings on the overriding importance of the freedom to eat what we want; it would resist the very idea of remedies that involve the individual eating less, or eating different things; it would pay for liposuction, cholesterol drugs, heart surgery, and diabetes-mitigation measures but not for programs of diet and exercise; it would encourage the development of drugs that could prevent fat formation regardless of what one eats; and it would make it a basic human right to be able to eat whatever one wants and have the consequences mitigated by the public.

There really is no case to be made that government should not do this. If, that is, we accept that government’s current approach to sex and its consequences is appropriate and warranted.

Ultimately, no discussion of these issues would be complete without the observation that if government – and the federal government in particular – wasn’t involved in them in the first place, it wouldn’t matter nearly as much when the people’s opinions and our moral perspectives on them differed.

J.E. Dyer’s articles have appeared at The Green Room, Commentary’s “contentions,” Patheos, The Weekly Standard online, and her own blog, The Optimistic Conservative.
Risk

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Mar 5, 2012 - 09:21am PT
Let’s not get diverted from the facts of what Limbaugh said and what he meant. This is about Limbaugh, not Ms. Fluke. Any defense of Limbaugh or blame to Ms. Fluke is deplorable.
Gary

climber
That Long Black Cloud Is Coming Down
Mar 5, 2012 - 11:07am PT
Rush is highly influential. People pay attention to El Rushbo. After all, he spent 3 hours per day, 5 days per week attacking Bill Clinton. Look how effective that was!
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Mar 5, 2012 - 11:22am PT
TGT
Democrats can't run on their record.

They have to gin up something.

Running on rubbers?


Really?


What are you talking about. The administration was just doing it's job regulating insurance companies, asking them to cover what they all actually want to cover, because nothing costs real money like having a baby, and the GOP made a big sex deal out of.

And the fools commenting on it act like the legislation covered government money to contraception but it was all about insurance companies

Fools and shame

And a big SUCK IT to all those Abortion opponents who also oppose contraception to prevent abortion. Big hypocrisy and those who just say "keep it in your pants" are either too old, limp, or confused to avoid the hyprocrisy of getting caught with Hookers like Jimmy Swaggart.

Peace

Karl
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Mar 5, 2012 - 11:25am PT
Flush Dimflaw is a paragon of conservative Republican values.



Which is why the Democrats will crush the GOP this election.
WBraun

climber
Mar 5, 2012 - 11:27am PT
You guys have said the same thing over and over for 300 posts now.

Have you guys evolved into parrots?

The evolution of the political junkies ......
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 5, 2012 - 11:41am PT
Brrrrrrawwkk....Polly wants a condom....!
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Mar 5, 2012 - 12:00pm PT
Ryhmes with PUKE. Which is what I do every time those flatearthers post up.

Brrrrrrawwkk....Polly wants a condom....!
Damn funny RJ. But now how am I going to get mucus laden mocha out of my keyboard? lol
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Mar 5, 2012 - 12:04pm PT
It took a "Fluke" to expose the moron to his advetisers- what planet have they been on?
WBraun

climber
Mar 5, 2012 - 12:05pm PT
You guys need a guy like Vladimir Putin.

If he was an American.

The guy is one tough m'fuker.

Not like these pansy ass politicians in this country ......
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Mar 5, 2012 - 12:05pm PT
I don't know what planet Jim but clearly they all live in the state of Confusion.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 5, 2012 - 12:06pm PT
I watched the pillsbury dough boy be interveiwed by 3 Ohio voters..One unemployed gentleman put newt on the spot for accusing the people drawing unemployment of watching TV all day..With a straight face , Newt tried to sell the man on doing away with unemployment insurance in trade for a federal job training program while trying to convince the man that there are jobs out there to be had...Then Newt promised to lower gas to 2.50 a gallon if he was elected...Talk about a poor acting performance...
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 5, 2012 - 12:10pm PT
Speaking of reelecting the President of the United States:



Obama’s improved political standing


When it comes to President Obama, the poll contains mostly good news. Fifty percent approve of his job – his highest mark in the NBC/WSJ survey since Osama bin Laden’s death – and 45 percent disapprove.

In a hypothetical general-election contest, he leads Romney by six points, 50 to 44 percent, winning independents (46-39 percent), women (55-37 percent) and those in the Midwest (52-42 percent).

Obama enjoys bigger leads over Paul (50 to 42 percent), Santorum (53 to 39 percent) and Gingrich (54 to 37 percent).
Bolstering Obama’s standing is increased optimism about the state of the U.S. economy.

Forty percent believe the economy will improve during the next year, a three-point increase from January. And looking back at the economic recession, 57 percent say that the worst is behind us, while 36 percent say the worst is still to come.
Back in November, only 49 percent said the worst was behind us.
“President Obama is probably in the best political shape he’s been in since his initial year as president,” says Hart, the Democratic pollster.

The NBC/WSJ poll was conducted from Feb. 29 through March 3 of 800 adults (including 200 by cellphone), and it has an overall margin of error of plus-minus 3.5 percentage points. The poll also contains an oversample of 185 interviews to achieve a total of 400 GOP primary voters, and that margin of error is plus-minus 4.9 percentage points.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 5, 2012 - 12:46pm PT
Philo...I was thinking of you when i posted that...Get out the shop vac and hair dryer...RJ
apogee

climber
Mar 5, 2012 - 12:57pm PT
In a hypothetical general-election contest, he leads Romney by six points, 50 to 44 percent, winning independents (46-39 percent), women (55-37 percent) and those in the Midwest (52-42 percent).

Obama enjoys bigger leads over Paul (50 to 42 percent), Santorum (53 to 39 percent) and Gingrich (54 to 37 percent).
Bolstering Obama’s standing is increased optimism about the state of the U.S. economy.

bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Mar 5, 2012 - 02:17pm PT
hedge, that's how SHE pronounces her name (fluck)--watch her testimony

she wants gu to pay for her contraception even though gu is a catholic university

insurance companies do not give anything away for free--somebody is going to pay; hence, the institution that contracts with the insurance company will pay for the coverage

in both the private and public sectors, it is the individual policy members who pay for everyone else's coverage--sorry, i don't want to pay for anyone else's contraception and don't expect them to pay for mine

i don't recall any libs defending joe the plumber for asking a simple question; the attacks on him were entirely personal though his question was directed toward tax policy

fluke testified about her sex life; nothing wrong with commenting on her sex life
apogee

climber
Mar 5, 2012 - 02:37pm PT
Comparing Joe the Plumber and this situation is a greaaaat stretch, but even if you accept it...

It sounds like you are suggesting that it is quid pro quo, and that his mistreatment therefore deserves Rush's horrific tirade.

OK. Got it.

You're a Christian, right, bookworm?

Uh-huh. Right. OK.
rectorsquid

climber
Lake Tahoe
Mar 5, 2012 - 02:45pm PT
sorry, i don't want to pay for anyone else's contraception and don't expect them to pay for mine

I don't want to pay my insurance premium because someone else eats too many Twinkies. I don't want to pay for bypass surgery.

Dave
bergbryce

Mountain climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Mar 5, 2012 - 02:46pm PT
Thanks for posting Lolli, this discussion needs to have more women involved.

Statement from Carbonite, who has pulled advertising from Limbagh's programs.

“No one with daughters the age of Sandra Fluke, and I have two, could possibly abide the insult and abuse heaped upon this courageous and well-intentioned young lady. Mr. Limbaugh, with his highly personal attacks on Miss Fluke, overstepped any reasonable bounds of decency. Even though Mr. Limbaugh has now issued an apology, we have nonetheless decided to withdraw our advertising from his show. We hope that our action, along with the other advertisers who have already withdrawn their ads, will ultimately contribute to a more civilized public discourse.”

AOL as well...

AOL announced on Monday that it is pulling its money from Limbaugh's radio program. "At AOL one of our core values is that we act with integrity," said Maureen Sullivan, an AOL spokeswoman. "We have monitored the unfolding events and have determined that Mr. Limbaugh’s comments are not in line with our values. As a result we have made the decision to suspend advertising on The Rush Limbaugh Radio show."


7 advertisers have ditched Rush.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/03/carbonite-online-backup-rush-limbaugh-apology_n_1318892.html
Shingle

climber
Mar 5, 2012 - 02:48pm PT
The biggest sponsor is not pulling out. That would be ClearChannel which is owned by Bain Capital.

If you want to boycott Bain, and you are not a 1%er, here is the list of businesses to avoid:

AMC Entertainment
Aspen Education Group
Brookstone
Burger King
Burlington Coat Factory
Clear Channel Communications
Domino's Pizza
DoubleClick
Dunkin' Donuts
D&M Holdings
Guitar Center
Hospital Corporation of America (HCA)
Sealy
The Sports Authority
Staples
Toys "R" Us
Warner Music Group
The Weather Channel.
ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven
Mar 5, 2012 - 02:53pm PT
She did not. And yes, it is.

It's out of all bonds, it's indecent behaviour, white trash level, both Rush Limbaugh's comments and everyone repeating his disgusting remarks. The comments are hateful slander, and only someone without any sense of what's appropriate conduct repeats them. They reflect an 19th century attitude towards women and can easily be concluded in one single word: loser.

She nails it!
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 5, 2012 - 03:27pm PT
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 5, 2012 - 03:27pm PT
corniss chopper

climber
breaking the speed of gravity
Mar 5, 2012 - 03:35pm PT
The Liberals are so happy to have a president who is clueless about economics

Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Mar 5, 2012 - 04:45pm PT
Bookworm

she wants gu to pay for her contraception even though gu is a catholic university

insurance companies do not give anything away for free--somebody is going to pay; hence, the institution that contracts with the insurance company will pay for the coverage

in both the private and public sectors, it is the individual policy members who pay for everyone else's coverage--sorry, i don't want to pay for anyone else's contraception and don't expect them to pay for mine

Perhaps you'd rather you pay insurance premiums for the numerous pre-natal, plus birthing and then Post-natal medical expenses that would be incurred through unwanted pregnancies caused by contraception being harder to get. Or would you rather pay for coverage for their abortions?

Do you have any vices like food, drink or perhaps rockclimbing that could cause a medical situation you want your medical coverage to take care of?

and the university offers medical coverage as a benefit of employment which should coverage legitimate health needs. She works for those benefits, they are not a handout.

The deep foolishness of a group of people who cling a anachronistic mentality is so blatant, I'm finding it hard to believe there in drug in the kookaid that makes so many people still elect this Christain-version-of-the-taliban kinda politicians or listen to their hate speach

Peace

Karl
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Mar 5, 2012 - 08:20pm PT
Ow. Imus' comments regarding Limbaugh: (from the Washington Post though it's noted elsewhere too).

Said Imus on his morning program: “He owns a Gulfstream 4. Get on it, go to Washington, take her to lunch and say, ‘Look, I’m sorry I said this stuff,’ and never do it again, period. Now, he’s an insincere pig, pill-popping pinhead.”
bergbryce

Mountain climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Mar 5, 2012 - 08:29pm PT
He's now lost 12 sponsors.
Keep him against the ropes. Sign here:
http://leftaction.com/action/boycott-rush
steveA

Trad climber
bedford,massachusetts
Mar 5, 2012 - 08:38pm PT
I really hope Rush L. goes down in flames.
I have always detested this scum bag--long before this incident.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Mar 5, 2012 - 08:47pm PT
Better off without him...they (current republicans) are him. He is just a reflection of the sad and sorry state of the Republican Party.
Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Mar 5, 2012 - 08:52pm PT
Drug test the bastard!
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 5, 2012 - 08:58pm PT
Latino Women (and men) More Likely to Vote Democrat than Republican:

Thank you, Rush LImbaugh, et all

Careful, this is an unbiased Fox News Poll not a liberal Main Stream Media Poll




Despite growing disappointment in his handling of immigration issues, Latino voters favor President Barack Obama by six-to-one over any of the Republican presidential hopefuls, showed a Fox News Latino poll conducted under the direction of Latin Insights and released Monday.
The national poll of likely Latino voters indicated that 73 percent of them approved of Obama’s performance in office, with over half those questioned looking favorably upon his handling of the healthcare debate and the economy, at 66 percent and 58 percent respectively.

While the poll indicates that four of five Latinos who voted for Obama in 2008 would vote for him later this year, Latinos who voted for Republican Arizona Sen. John McCain four years ago are now divided between voting for Obama and the Republican candidates. Forty percent said that they favored Obama while 38 percent said they would vote for Romney. Obama also leads Santorum 38 percent to 34, and Gingrich 40 percent to 38.

In typical Foxnews fashion, the poll goes on to serve as basically a fishing expedition to get the eventual nominee to pick Marco Rubio as Veep.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Mar 5, 2012 - 10:39pm PT
Lolli: If I may quote your very important quote about the Fluke haters?

They reflect an 19th century attitude towards women and can easily be concluded in one single word: loser.


Losers is indeed, the word that comes to mind when I look at the postings on this thread from: Bluering, TGT, DT, CC, and bookworm.

Poor losers.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 5, 2012 - 10:55pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Mar 5, 2012 - 10:57pm PT
most of it from people on this site who have said much worse, and graphically illustrated much worse towards women.

While for sure there have been guys here who are very sexist and/or mysogynistic, I don't know that those guys are being seen bashing Limbaugh on this thread.

I'd need to see some usernames connected with previous post(links) that back up that assertation.

But I do have to say that I AM deeply shocked at some of the comments aimed personally at Ms. Fluke here.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 5, 2012 - 11:00pm PT
Going to a Jesuit school and demanding birth control is like going to a Kosher or Halal restaurant and demanding a ham sandwich.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 5, 2012 - 11:11pm PT
Them Jesuits love an occasional ham sandwich..
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 5, 2012 - 11:16pm PT
Interestingly, the Jesuits are historically known as THE most studious and questioning of all the Catholic Orders.

They are less condemning and more tolerant of diverse points of view, and are known for progressive critical thinking skill development.

And as such are generally recognized as the most intelligent of the Orders.

Perhaps TGT would benefit personally and advance his intellect by joining the Jesuits.

Seriously, I hope he considers it, and finally leave his childhood behind.
corniss chopper

climber
breaking the speed of gravity
Mar 5, 2012 - 11:17pm PT
Asking for federal legislation that would compel people of faith to subsidize her sex life is the issue.
Those who pay deserve some say.
bergbryce

Mountain climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Mar 5, 2012 - 11:17pm PT
Nice try, making this look like this is about Fluke and not what Limbaugh said.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Mar 5, 2012 - 11:18pm PT
WHY IN HELL CAN YOU NOT SEE THAT THE ISSUE IS NOT WHO MS.FLUKE IS, OR WHAT SHE DOES, BUT THAT LIMBAUGH HAS PUBLICLY CALLED HER, AND IMPLIED OTHERS ARE, A SLUT AND PROSTITUTE??????


Fine if you disagree with the issue as to whether insurance companies may be required to cover the medicines(even though it has been shown that there ARE reasons women use them besides allowing precious seeds to be wasted), but that is NOT the issue being discussed in this thread. Are you people REALLY this stupid, or are you being paid per post????



Question: Can anyone tell me if the insurance policies that are not covering contraceptives are covering Viagra and/or similar medicines?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 5, 2012 - 11:20pm PT
Asking for federal legislation that would compel people of faith to subsidize her sex life is the issue.


Corniss again proves he is clueless of the facts behind the legislation.

For once, just once, Corniss, please we beg of you, spend a little time reading and researching the facts prior to blurting out uninformed personal opinions.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 5, 2012 - 11:21pm PT
Thanks Donald....Now i can see why Rush called her a slut and wanted videos of her having intercourse...Your conspiracy theory makes sense out of this madness...She should apologize to Rush...
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 5, 2012 - 11:22pm PT
Question: Can anyone tell me if the insurance policies that are not covering contraceptives are covering Viagra and/or similar medicines?


surely TGT. Duhnold, or Corniss will chime in with the answer

They all are SO knowledgable in this area
Risk

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Mar 5, 2012 - 11:24pm PT
I repeat, let’s not get diverted from the facts of what Limbaugh said and what he meant. This is about Limbaugh, not Ms. Fluke. Any defense of Limbaugh or blame to Ms. Fluke is sickening.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 5, 2012 - 11:25pm PT
Look who's whining...
corniss chopper

climber
breaking the speed of gravity
Mar 5, 2012 - 11:26pm PT
happiegrrrl- So that's it them. In the arena of public ideas you can dish
it but can't take it.

After all the name calling that was directed at Sarah Palin trying to silence
her, did you stand up and cry foul? Or try to get those who uttered the endless stream of filth fired or have their sponsors leave them?
Maybe you demanded at least an apology?
Risk

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Mar 5, 2012 - 11:30pm PT
Hey Corny, keep talking! You're a perfect spokesman for Rush!
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 5, 2012 - 11:31pm PT
Donald and Corniss, you guys just don't "get" it, do you?

You are proving over and over how incredibly and painfully ignorant you really are.

CLUE: No Donald honey, it's not the "two" words your boy Rush said.

It's the FIFTY THREE ass holish, insulting to all women, crap he spit out.


And you two idiots actually defend this bile



Feb. 29, 2012:

1) “she's having so much sex she can't afford her own birth control pills”
2) “they're having so much sex they can't afford the birth control pills!”
3) “essentially says that she must be paid to have sex, what does that make her? It makes her a slut, right? It makes her a prostitute. She wants to be paid to have sex. She's having so much sex she can't afford the contraception. She wants you and me and the taxpayers to pay her to have sex.”
4) “Sandra Fluke. So much sex going on, they can't afford birth control pills.”

March 1, 2012:

5) “You'd call 'em a slut, a prostitute”
6) “she's having so much sex”
7) “are having so much sex that they’re going broke”
8) “they want to have sex any time, as many times and as often as they want, with as many partners as they want”
9) “the sexual habits of female law students at Georgetown”
10) “are having so much sex that they’re going broke”
11) “having so much sex that it's hard to make ends meet”
12) “four out of every ten co-eds are having so much sex that it's hard to make ends meet”
13) “Now, what does that make her? She wants us to buy her sex.”
14) “to pay for these co-eds to have sex”
15) “she and her co-ed classmates are having sex nearly three times a day for three years straight, apparently these deadbeat boyfriends or random hookups that these babes are encountering here, having sex with nearly three times a day”
16) “Therefore we are paying her to have sex. Therefore we are paying her for having sex.”
17) “Have you ever heard of not having sex so often?”
18) “Ms. Fluke and the rest of you feminazis, here's the deal: If we are going to pay for your contraceptives and thus pay for you to have sex, we want something for it. And I'll tell you what it is. We want you to post the videos online so we can all watch.”
19) “we want something in return, Ms. Fluke: And that would be the videos of all this sex posted online so we can see what we are getting for our money.”
20) “'If we're paying for this, it makes these women sluts, prostitutes.' And what else could it be?”
21) “essentially says that she must be paid to have sex. What does that make her? It makes her a slut, right?”
22) “I'm having sex so damn much, I'm going broke.”
23) “She's having so much sex that she's going broke! There's no question about her virtue.”
24) “having so much sex she's going broke at Georgetown Law.”
25) “Here's a woman exercising no self-control. The fact that she wants to have repeated, never-ending, as often as she wants it sex -- given.”
26) “She's having so much sex it's amazing she can still walk, but she made it up there.”
27) “Maybe they're sex addicts.”
28) “to pay for her to have sex all the time.”
29) “she wants the rest of us to pay for her sex.”
30) “She wants all the sex that she wants all the time paid for by the rest of us.”
31) “Here this babe goes before Congress and wants thousands of dollars to pay for her sex.”
32) “a woman who is happily presenting herself as an immoral, baseless, no-purpose-to-her-life woman.”
33) “She wants all the sex in the world, whenever she wants it, all the time.”
34) “If this woman wants to have sex ten times a day for three years, fine and dandy.”
35) “to provide women from Georgetown Law unlimited, no-consequences sex.”
36) “so she can have unlimited, no-consequences sex.”
37) “You want to have all the sex you want all day long, no consequences, no responsibility for your behavior”
38) “The woman wants unlimited, no-responsibility, no-consequences sex, and she wants it with contraceptives paid for by us.”

March 2, 2012:

39) "she's having so much sex, she can't afford her birth control pills anymore.”
40) “she's having so much sex, she can't pay for it -- and we should.”
41) “She's having so much sex, she can't afford it.”
42) “this, frankly hilarious claim that she's having so much sex (and her buddies with her) that she can't afford it.”
43) “And not one person says, 'Well, did you ever think about maybe backing off the amount of sex that you have?'”
44) “Does she have more boyfriends? Ha! They're lined up around the block.”
45) "It was Sandra Fluke who said that she was having so much sex, she can't afford it.”
46) “By her own admission, in her own words, Sandra Fluke is having so much sex that she can't afford it.”
47) “they're having a lot of sex for which they need a lot of contraception.”
48) “Her sex life is active and she's having sex so frequently that she can't afford all the birth control pills that she needs.”
49) “who admits to having so much sex that she can't afford it anymore.”
50) “she's having so much sex, she can't pay for it.”
51) “As frequently as she has sex and to not be pregnant, she's obviously succeeding in contraception.”
52) “Ms. Fluke, asserts her right to free contraceptive, to handle her sex life -- and it's, by her own admission, quite active.”
53) "Ms. Fluke, who bought your condoms in junior high? Who bought your condoms in the sixth grade, or your contraception?"





Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 5, 2012 - 11:32pm PT
Feb. 29, 2012:

1) “she's having so much sex she can't afford her own birth control pills”
2) “they're having so much sex they can't afford the birth control pills!”
3) “essentially says that she must be paid to have sex, what does that make her? It makes her a slut, right? It makes her a prostitute. She wants to be paid to have sex. She's having so much sex she can't afford the contraception. She wants you and me and the taxpayers to pay her to have sex.”
4) “Sandra Fluke. So much sex going on, they can't afford birth control pills.”

March 1, 2012:

5) “You'd call 'em a slut, a prostitute”
6) “she's having so much sex”
7) “are having so much sex that they’re going broke”
8) “they want to have sex any time, as many times and as often as they want, with as many partners as they want”
9) “the sexual habits of female law students at Georgetown”
10) “are having so much sex that they’re going broke”
11) “having so much sex that it's hard to make ends meet”
12) “four out of every ten co-eds are having so much sex that it's hard to make ends meet”
13) “Now, what does that make her? She wants us to buy her sex.”
14) “to pay for these co-eds to have sex”
15) “she and her co-ed classmates are having sex nearly three times a day for three years straight, apparently these deadbeat boyfriends or random hookups that these babes are encountering here, having sex with nearly three times a day”
16) “Therefore we are paying her to have sex. Therefore we are paying her for having sex.”
17) “Have you ever heard of not having sex so often?”
18) “Ms. Fluke and the rest of you feminazis, here's the deal: If we are going to pay for your contraceptives and thus pay for you to have sex, we want something for it. And I'll tell you what it is. We want you to post the videos online so we can all watch.”
19) “we want something in return, Ms. Fluke: And that would be the videos of all this sex posted online so we can see what we are getting for our money.”
20) “'If we're paying for this, it makes these women sluts, prostitutes.' And what else could it be?”
21) “essentially says that she must be paid to have sex. What does that make her? It makes her a slut, right?”
22) “I'm having sex so damn much, I'm going broke.”
23) “She's having so much sex that she's going broke! There's no question about her virtue.”
24) “having so much sex she's going broke at Georgetown Law.”
25) “Here's a woman exercising no self-control. The fact that she wants to have repeated, never-ending, as often as she wants it sex -- given.”
26) “She's having so much sex it's amazing she can still walk, but she made it up there.”
27) “Maybe they're sex addicts.”
28) “to pay for her to have sex all the time.”
29) “she wants the rest of us to pay for her sex.”
30) “She wants all the sex that she wants all the time paid for by the rest of us.”
31) “Here this babe goes before Congress and wants thousands of dollars to pay for her sex.”
32) “a woman who is happily presenting herself as an immoral, baseless, no-purpose-to-her-life woman.”
33) “She wants all the sex in the world, whenever she wants it, all the time.”
34) “If this woman wants to have sex ten times a day for three years, fine and dandy.”
35) “to provide women from Georgetown Law unlimited, no-consequences sex.”
36) “so she can have unlimited, no-consequences sex.”
37) “You want to have all the sex you want all day long, no consequences, no responsibility for your behavior”
38) “The woman wants unlimited, no-responsibility, no-consequences sex, and she wants it with contraceptives paid for by us.”

March 2, 2012:

39) "she's having so much sex, she can't afford her birth control pills anymore.”
40) “she's having so much sex, she can't pay for it -- and we should.”
41) “She's having so much sex, she can't afford it.”
42) “this, frankly hilarious claim that she's having so much sex (and her buddies with her) that she can't afford it.”
43) “And not one person says, 'Well, did you ever think about maybe backing off the amount of sex that you have?'”
44) “Does she have more boyfriends? Ha! They're lined up around the block.”
45) "It was Sandra Fluke who said that she was having so much sex, she can't afford it.”
46) “By her own admission, in her own words, Sandra Fluke is having so much sex that she can't afford it.”
47) “they're having a lot of sex for which they need a lot of contraception.”
48) “Her sex life is active and she's having sex so frequently that she can't afford all the birth control pills that she needs.”
49) “who admits to having so much sex that she can't afford it anymore.”
50) “she's having so much sex, she can't pay for it.”
51) “As frequently as she has sex and to not be pregnant, she's obviously succeeding in contraception.”
52) “Ms. Fluke, asserts her right to free contraceptive, to handle her sex life -- and it's, by her own admission, quite active.”
53) "Ms. Fluke, who bought your condoms in junior high? Who bought your condoms in the sixth grade, or your contraception?"
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Mar 5, 2012 - 11:41pm PT
happiegrrrl- So that's it them. In the arena of public ideas you can dish
it but can't take it.

After all the name calling that was directed at Sarah Palin trying to silence
her, did you stand up and cry foul? Or try to get those who uttered the endless stream of filth fired or have their sponsors leave them?
Maybe you demanded at least an apology?

My posts, in this thread, have been aimed at people in THIS thread, supporting the notion that this Ms. Fluke "must be a whore." I've not called Mr. Limbaugh any names, and I haven't even directly called out any of the men here. So how am I "dishing it out?"

I am certainly not going to go through my posts from several years ago to find instances where I said ugly comments about Ms. Palin posted in these threads were vile and inappropriate, but I know that I have done so. I remember specifically posting that the "I'd do her" posts were ignorant, low-class and innapropriate. If you want to back up your claim, be my guest and locate posts I made where I did make a disparaging personal remark about Palin or any other republican politician. I am pretty sure I never said a word against Joe the Plumber, either, and in fact recall an instance where I said he was being manipulated for media sake.

Just because you say something does not make it true.

Or are you lumping me personally in with the entire party? Be very clear on that, and show me where I have lumped Limbaugh with the entire republican party - in this thread or anywhere.


TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 5, 2012 - 11:42pm PT
http://www.wordaroundthenet.com/2012/03/youre-bad-guy-for-noticing.html#links
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 5, 2012 - 11:53pm PT
Donald, you are astounding ignorant.

Oh the evil done to a Democratic Party activist just trolling along

Prove it you horse's ass.

Show your sources.


Prove that Ms Fluke is a Democratic Party Activist.

Prove even that she is a registered Democrat, show where you read that.

Then come back and apologize to everyone here that your momma raised a lying moron for a son.

Christ, are you in any way related to that other blind squirrel, Skippy Do Da?

S.Leeper

Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
Mar 6, 2012 - 12:27am PT
why? what did they do?

apogee

climber
Mar 6, 2012 - 01:39am PT
I don't know what's more amusing...

Watching some of these asstard ST Repugs defend obviously indefensible commentary, rationalizing it as comeuppance for ripping on Joe the Plumber or Sarah Palin...

...or watching the great, white, addicted, blowhard himself (not you, bluering) trying to backpedal on this after he tried to double down on his original comments. It's pretty rare to actually see RL apologize (has it ever happened?)...he must be sweating bullets.

This is AWESOME!!
apogee

climber
Mar 6, 2012 - 01:48am PT
"Republicans are not going to like that!
They are paying for that out of their wallets!"

apogee

climber
Mar 6, 2012 - 01:52am PT
'Beating a Dead Horse', Donald?

Yoooouuuuu bettcha!

We're gonna beat that bloated white blowhard whale until he explodes in a spray of yellow custard...then we're gonna beat him down some more!
apogee

climber
Mar 6, 2012 - 01:54am PT
"The liberals who are gloating over this....."


Gloating? Us?

Over the long-awaited potential implosion of the king of all Repug asswipes?

Yoooouuuuu betcha!
apogee

climber
Mar 6, 2012 - 02:08am PT
"...reprise some of comments and photos involving Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin that you and your compatriots posted not so long ago?"

I posed this to bookworm earlier today, and got no response (no surprise there)....

The only response that you ST Repugs have to RL's comments is that it is quid pro quo for all the ripping that happened to JtP, Palin, Bachmann, etc....Like that somehow makes RL's comments somehow acceptable.

More ironic and stupefyingly hypocritical, though, is when that defensiveness comes from well-known RR ST Repugs...you know, those Christian folk? The ones that say that everything in the Bible is truth and ultimate guidance?

Meh.

Meh. Meh.
apogee

climber
Mar 6, 2012 - 02:09am PT
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Mar 6, 2012 - 02:44am PT
Hey DungHole, one major difference is we don't have millions of listeners.
Lush has a bully pulpit.
You have never contributed one thing of value to ST.
Matt

Trad climber
it's all turtles, all the way dooowwwwwnn!!!!!
Mar 6, 2012 - 02:55am PT
DT-
(Dumb Thuck? hmmm...)

I don't follow too closely, but you sure look like an ass right here (just sayin) as you try to defend RL and compare folks in a forum to him on the radio.



Further, I kinda doubt these women you are so enamored were actually called sluts or prostitutes.

Were they called Stupid? Whacko? Bigoted? Incompetent? Dirty Rotten Liars?
Well yes, they were likely called all those, and of course those statements were/are also all true, but you are a right winger so "true" is beside the point...
jstan

climber
Mar 6, 2012 - 03:46am PT
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/03/05/why_i_apologized_to_sandra_fluke


Great to have you here, folks, looking forward to talking with you today as the program unfolds before your very eyes and ears. Our telephone number, 800-282-2882, the e-mail address ElRushbo@eibnet.com.
While I have your attention, give me 30 minutes here. It's all I ask and then you can do what you want. I want to explain why I apologized to Sandra Fluke in the statement that was released on Saturday. I've read all the theories from all sides, and, frankly, they are all wrong. I don't expect -- and I know you don't, either -- morality or intellectual honesty from the left. They've demonstrated over and over a willingness to say or do anything to advance their agenda. It's what they do. It's what we fight against here every day. But this is the mistake I made. In fighting them on this issue last week, I became like them.

Against my own instincts, against my own knowledge, against everything I know to be right and wrong I descended to their level when I used those two words to describe Sandra Fluke. That was my error. I became like them, and I feel very badly about that. I've always tried to maintain a very high degree of integrity and independence on this program. Nevertheless, those two words were inappropriate. They were uncalled for. They distracted from the point that I was actually trying to make, and I again sincerely apologize to Ms. Fluke for using those two words to describe her. I do not think she is either of those two words. I did not think last week that she is either of those two words.

The apology to her over the weekend was sincere. It was simply for using inappropriate words in a way I never do, and in so doing, I became like the people we oppose. I ended up descending to their level. It's important not to be like them, ever, particularly in fighting them. The old saw, you never descend to the level of your opponent or they win. That was my error last week. But the apology was heartfelt. The apology was sincere. And, as you will hear as I go on here, it was not about anything else. No ulterior motive. No speaking in code. No double entendre or intention. Pure, simple, heartfelt. That's why I apologized to Sandra Fluke on Saturday, 'cause all the theories, all the experts are wrong.


I have a question.

Do we want “The World’s Only Superpower” to be run by people unable to take responsibility for their own actions?

philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Mar 6, 2012 - 03:59am PT
Congratulations Charles, you are the only one of the last several posters that didn't have a personal insult for me, and you posted a poem...there's hope for you , probably not in a political sense, but generally as a person.

What now Dungole? Are you going to get all LEB whinny because people don't treat you all nicey nice when you spew your vitriolic lies and vile disinformation?
Awwwww cry me a river estrogen boy.
jstan

climber
Mar 6, 2012 - 04:11am PT
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/03/02/gop-chairman-says-he-leads-party-not-rush-limbaugh/

March 2, 2009
GOP chairman says he leads party, not Rush Limbaugh
Steele says he is the leader of the GOP.

WASHINGTON (CNN) - Republican Party Chairman Michael Steele is taking issue with the notion that Rush Limbaugh is the de facto leader of the GOP, calling the conservative radio talk show host an entertainer whose comments can be ugly.

Steele, chairman of the Republican National Committee, said in an interview with CNN that he, rather than Limbaugh, is "the de facto leader of the Republican Party."

And Steele described Limbaugh as a performer.

"Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer. Rush Limbaugh's whole thing is entertainment," Steele said. "Yes, it is incendiary. Yes, it is ugly."

Last month, Steele, a former lieutenant governor of Maryland, was elected chair of the RNC. He is the first African-American to lead the Republican Party. At the time of his election, Steele said that "Rush will say what Rush has to say; we'll do what we have to do."

Steele made his latest comments regarding Limbaugh on CNN's "D.L. Hughley Breaks the News," which aired this weekend. The Steele interview was taped before Limbaugh's appearance before the Conservative Political Action Conference, an annual meeting of conservatives from across the nation.


Limbaugh brought a cheering crowd to its feet several times as he called on fellow conservatives to take back the country.

He used his self-described "first national address," which ran more than an hour longer than his allotted 20 minutes, to accuse President Barack Obama of inspiring fear in Americans in order to push a liberal agenda of "big government."

Limbaugh also backed up comments he made earlier this year in which he said he hoped Obama fails.

Mr. Donald Thompson:
A question.

Do you share Rush's hope that Barack Obama shall fail?

Do you hope that our President shall succeed?


Edit:
Thank you for clearly stating your opinion.

For myself, I have observed the majority of the anti-capitalism that has developed came about following the Bush administration's failure to regulate the financial industry; that failure eventually forcing the taxpayer, whose income has for nearly a decade been flat to declining, to bail out bankers who gave themselves millions in bonuses to reward them for leading their companies into bankruptcy.

philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Mar 6, 2012 - 05:03am PT
Yerafool.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Mar 6, 2012 - 07:08am PT
3. Obama's political philosophy and world view is the opposite of the traditions that made this country great.

No president in recent times has imposed more government on the American people, acted so diametrically opposed to the intent of the founding fathers, usurped the Constitution, and wreaked havoc our economic standing as the BushCo neocons - where was all your angst and teeth gnashing then?

You are the perfect example of the result and legacy of the Rovian dogs getting off their leash and into the hands of even less ethical people than Karl (and god knows that isn't easy) - it's like watching a bad ventriloquist act. And you can tell just how tight the reins are these days when even the loons at the Cato Institute are bridling at the bit.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 6, 2012 - 08:11am PT
This friend , who was high up in reagan's and both the bushes administrations , thinks Limbaugh is a complete moron...this friend Loves the entertainment value though and loves the fact that Limbaugh gets the conservatives whipped into a drooling frenzy...It's comical reading the posts of the usual suspects trying to defend this moronic dis jockey...RJ
Gary

climber
"My god - it's full of stars!"
Mar 6, 2012 - 08:32am PT
^^LOL!
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Mar 6, 2012 - 08:41am PT
rottingjohnny's friend: ...the fact that Limbaugh gets the conservatives whipped into a drooling frenzy...

The problem - starting in the South back with Harry Dent, Sr., and then on to guys like Ralph Reed, Lee Atw#ter (apparently ST's filters still haven't forgiven Lee his sins), and Karl Rove is that the strategy to polarize around race escaped the south, jumped to religion, and then to secular society. Karl used guys like Rush the way MLK used guys like Jesse Jackson and Jerry Rubin and all these guys were world-class instigators and rabble-rousers, both at the street corner and societal levels. But even Karl Rove now must wonder at the lasting damage his legacy has wrought with the current [corporate] radicalization of the republican party spun completely out of control - he quite literally 'gave them up unto vileand the Dems affections'.

The damage done to our nation by the deliberate progrom to exterminate moderate republicans can't overstated. From Reagan on it has been a power-at-any-price proposition for the right and they in a very large part responsible for the decline of our nation. They have, again and again, squandered the best we are and at every opportunity sold the American worker and middle class out to corporate interests.

They have pandered to our worst fears and instincts on race, gender, and nationality all the while using those fears as a cover to strip the poor and middle class of any and all environmental, consumer, and financial protections possible. Their goons and dogs are now whipped by the new masters of the likes of the Kochs and Murdochs whose interest lay far more in dismantling the EPA and China respectively than with the American people.

Being republican was once a exercise in looking longingly into the rear view mirror; after the past 20 years, you now have to wear blinders and salivate on command. It makes me wonder if conservative chadors and campus-wide aspirin dispensers can't be far behind any republican win in November.
dirtbag

climber
Mar 6, 2012 - 09:27am PT
When you argue with Donald, you argue with a nutjob, a pointless endeavor.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Mar 6, 2012 - 09:42am PT
Rush has actually apologized before though some question whether they were really apologies. The quotes below are from a CNN story.

1. "In 2006, Limbaugh mocked Parkinson's-afflicted actor Michael J. Fox after Fox appeared in a political commercial for Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill. He later offered a conditional apology: "I will bigly, hugely admit that I was wrong, and I will apologize to Michael J. Fox, if I am wrong in characterizing his behavior on this commercial as an act."

2. In 2003 "Limbaugh resigned from ESPN's "Sunday NFL Countdown" after igniting a controversy with statements about African-American quarterback Donovan McNabb. 'My comments this past Sunday were directed at the media and were not racially motivated. I offered an opinion,' Limbaugh said. 'This opinion has caused discomfort to the crew, which I regret.'

3. "Limbaugh has also mocked presidential children Amy Carter ('the most unattractive presidential daughter in the history of the country') and Chelsea Clinton (comparing her to a dog). Both times, he apologized, though some critics questioned the spirit of his regret."
jstan

climber
Mar 6, 2012 - 10:33am PT
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/03/05/mitt-romney-tries-to-scare-11-year-old-boy-says-iran-will-have-nuclear-weapons-if-obama-gets-second-term/


Whenever I see Republicans make an effort to scare adults, I think they’re despicable for using fear for political gain. But when I see Republicans using that same fear tactic on children, I think they’re monsters. Well, Mitt Romney became the latest GOP monster on Sunday when, while speaking in front of an audience, he told an 11 year old boy in Georgia that if President Obama wins a second term, Iran will have nuclear weapons to use against America.
“If Barack Obama gets re-elected, Iran will have a nuclear weapon and the world will change if that’s the case. This president failed to speak out when the dissidents took the streets in Tehran, he had nothing to say. This is a president who has failed to put in place crippling sanctions against Iran. He’s also failed to communicate that military options are on the table and in fact in our hand. And that it’s unacceptable to America for Iran to have a nuclear weapon. I will have those military options, I will take those crippling sanctions and put them in place, and I will speak out to the Iranian people about the peril of them becoming nuclear.”


Then from Rush Limbaugh:
He used his self-described "first national address," which ran more than an hour longer than his allotted 20 minutes, to accuse President Barack Obama of inspiring fear in Americans in order to push a liberal agenda of "big government."


So what we have is the republican party using fear AND

accusing others of doing exactly what they are doing.



What are we to conclude when Rush Limbaugh accuses someone of being a "slut and a prostitute"?



Oh and by the way the republicans are also accusing Obama of causing high gas prices as a result of his efforts to persuade Iran not to develop nucular weapons short of a third unfunded war such as Romney seems to be proposing.

We have gone from "The World's Only Superpower" to "The World's Only Superidiot" in just the few years since the beginning of "The New American Century."

I have become hopeful the talent needed to cause us to start wearing brown shirts is not possessed by these people. And I just don't think red capes will catch on. Not really.

It is just too hard on the altar boys.
Gary

climber
"My god - it's full of stars!"
Mar 6, 2012 - 10:37am PT
The thing is, Iran was turning away from the mullahs and the moderates were coming to the fore, when George W. Bush's brilliant foreign policy drove them back the the ayatollahs.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Mar 6, 2012 - 11:16am PT
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Mar 6, 2012 - 11:18am PT
Classic!
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 6, 2012 - 11:48am PT
2. This socialist approach to centralized control robs people of their strengths, independence, and pride in overcoming life's obstacles in favor of narcissistic politicians and intellectuals who give them a false security in trade for their liberty.
3. Obama's political philosophy and world view is the opposite of the traditions that made this country great. He has been indoctrinated in a set of leftist political doctrines that are essentially anti-Capitalist and rooted in government control and Marxian class warfare. It is historically demonstrated that such systems are egregious failures and eventually can only lead to totalitarian outcomes.


Ever notice how the republican party "in general" hates intellectuals, artists, gays, etc? (They actually value ignorance?)

Ever notice how some of the worst totalitarian regimes in history (Germany, Italy, Spain, Cambodia, China) first went after intellectuals, artists and gays?

Ever notice how some of the most stable countries in the world have more "socialism" than the USA? (Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Iceland, Canada)
Ever notice how they haven't been robbed of their strength, independence and pride?

Ever notice how republicans have never significantly "shrunk" government when they were in power?

Hmmmmm.....
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 6, 2012 - 12:45pm PT
Republican Senator Now REGRETS Her Vote:




SuperTopo Republicans STILL Living in the 13th Century


WASHINGTON -- Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) regrets voting for a controversial birth control amendment by Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) and wouldn't vote for it again if given the chance, she told the Anchorage Daily News this week.


"I have never had a vote I've taken where I have felt that I let down more people that believed in me," she said in a Sunday interview with the newspaper. Asked if she would vote for the amendment again if she could do it over, Murkowski said, "No."

Murkowski voted in lockstep with most of her party to try to pass Blunt's amendment to a Senate transportation bill; the measure would have allowed any employer to refuse to cover contraception or any other health service by citing moral reasons. The amendment went down in a 51-48 vote, but only after weeks of both parties ratcheting up the debate over protecting women's access to contraception versus preserving religious liberty. Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) was the only Republican who voted against it.

The Anchorage Daily News column says Murkowski returned to Alaska after the amendment failed and kept running into female voters unhappy with her over her vote. Murkowski told them she had voted for the amendment because she wanted to send a message that the health care law needed stronger protections for religious conscience. But public debate on the measure had changed, she said, and what was supposed to be a "messaging amendment" on religious freedom, an issue Republicans were hoping to champion, ended up becoming a vote on contraception rights.

In the end, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) saw Republicans' plan backfiring and pushed for a vote on the amendment to score Democrats a political win.

Murkowski conceded that Republicans lost that battle. "The wind had shifted, and Republicans didn't have enough sense to get off of it," she told the newspaper.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Mar 6, 2012 - 02:19pm PT
Limbaugh refers to himself as having "talent borrowed from God." A more accurate statement would be that he has "hubris borrowed from Icarus."
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Mar 6, 2012 - 02:31pm PT
Bottom line is most of these far-right talking heads are racist, homophobic, and sexist and it's just a matter of time before they out themselves from the cover of all the code words.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Mar 6, 2012 - 02:48pm PT
Latinos and now women - repubs are officially toast for this election cycle...
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Mar 6, 2012 - 03:34pm PT
What amazes me is that crass entertainers like Rush ever get the time of day from people. What are folks actually expecting from the old tub of goo? Restoration of past Republican glory?

I've heard it explained that what most people loath about Obama is not so much that he's black (they never admit to feeling embarrassed to serve under a minority, but that the whole aging, white, straight right wing dude and all of his values has lost the reins of power. As if unregulated capitalism will restore our good fortunes overnight.

My issue with Obama is that he didn't stop all this crazy spending on these preposterous wars.

JL
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 6, 2012 - 03:43pm PT
My issue with Obama is that he didn't stop all this crazy spending on these preposterous wars.


actually, he has, to a pretty significant degree

He has kept his campaign promise and pulled all troops out of Iraq

He is already starting to draw down some troops out of Afghanistan

And has stated he intends to pull all (almost all) troops out within 18 months

The estimate is now some 100 billion dollars Obama has saved the taxpayers by withdrawing from Iraq, and much more than that if he had continued at Bush's pace
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Mar 6, 2012 - 04:11pm PT
ms. fluke caught with her pants on fire:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/in-the-georgetown-health-care-plan-space-for-exce
rectorsquid

climber
Lake Tahoe
Mar 6, 2012 - 04:14pm PT
My problem with Obama is that he took a mixed up executive office that was spending like liberals, warring like conservatives, and throwing out the bill of rights like (can't think of who does that sort of thing) and just swung it to the left and started working towards some socialist goals that don't fit with what the other half of the country wants.

I voted for the guy because republicans want to spy on me, in my bedroom and in my pant (at airport screenings) and those wars were getting tiresome. I hoped for some sanity but it's hard to tell if we got that or got more of the same crap on the other side of the isle. Being very bad at understanding politics and economics, it's hard for me to tell if Obama made things better or just gave us new crap to deal with to replace the old crap.

Rush, on the other hand, is such an ultra conservative that he reminds me of the crazies on the Hoarders TV show that destroy everything around them and can't see it happening because they are fixated on one tiny thing and can't look away.

Dave

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Mar 6, 2012 - 04:38pm PT
started working towards some socialist goals that don't fit with what the other half of the country wants.

Please enumerate these "socialist goals". The guy is to the right of Regan for pete's sake.

Lennox

climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
Mar 6, 2012 - 04:55pm PT
Bookie, caught with your pants down again; where exactly is the lie in Ms. Fluke's statement?


"A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian syndrome and has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from growing on her ovaries. Her prescription is technically covered by Georgetown insurance because it’s not intended to prevent pregnancy. Under many religious institutions’ insurance plans, it wouldn’t be, and under Senator Blunt’s amendment, Senator Rubio’s bill, or Representative Fortenberry’s bill, there’s no requirement that an exception be made for such medical needs."
apogee

climber
Mar 6, 2012 - 05:09pm PT
bookworm's 'gotcha' moment relates to the question that Georgetown's health insurance policy might actually have coverage for contraception, after all.

Oooooo.....you got us, bookworm!

Never mind the fact that if that was the case, you RR whackos would be decrying the fact that the coverage exists at all.

And regardless...RL's response was his own.

That's right...the 'pitcher' spokesman for the 'catcher' GOP...
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 6, 2012 - 05:19pm PT
Philo,

Bill Maher last week gave one million dollars of his money to Obama's new superpac,

which is named PrioritiesUSAaction, goofy name

Maher said to never forget that half of this country is bat sh!t ignorant

In fact, he specifically mentioned Fattrad, Donald Thompson, and Cornhole Chomper

And to never, ever, take any election for granted.

I think Bill Maher is right

We need for our side to show up at the polls, they sure as hell will.

Last week my wife and I sent a nice check to Obama's PAC

Please join me.



And stop this country from slipping back to the 13th century if the Repups get in
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Mar 6, 2012 - 05:20pm PT
Spot on Norton!
rectorsquid

climber
Lake Tahoe
Mar 6, 2012 - 05:23pm PT
Please enumerate these "socialist goals". The guy is to the right of Regan for pete's sake.

The conservatives don't like Obamacare. Are not some of those new laws a bit socialist? Maybe I don't understand how guaranteeing that every person in the country has something and is forced to pay for it is not socialist. I guess that if the gov doesn't actually own the health care system, it's not actually socialism, is it?

But I did admit to being ignorant about this stuff. It's hard to hold down a job (or two at the moment) and still do research into the details of why the president does what he does.

I had hoped that Obama would help quiet down things in Washington, not just stir a different pot. Making a huge set of laws that is then repealed or argued in court for years to come doesn't really help the country. I was hoping to get some stability in the government after all the Bush years of selling fear.

At least he's not Rush and knows better than to call a girl a slut because he doesn't like her. Something less gender-specific might have worked a little better for him and still let him be an ass.

Dave
Gary

climber
"My god - it's full of stars!"
Mar 6, 2012 - 05:24pm PT
bookworm, you really should start reading your links before you try to use them to bolster whatever argument you are trying to make.

Do you maybe have comprehension problems? Time after time your links don't back up the points you're trying to make.
Gary

climber
"My god - it's full of stars!"
Mar 6, 2012 - 05:26pm PT
Are not some of those new laws a bit socialist?

If they were, why would that be bad?
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Mar 6, 2012 - 05:26pm PT
Must not really be a bookworm.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Mar 6, 2012 - 05:30pm PT
apogee - the article bookworm linked VERY CLEARLY quotes Ms. Fluke's statement that said the school policy DID make some exceptions for coverage contraceptives for non-birth control uses.

He didn't even bother to READ the text, it appears. How else to explain the "pants on fire" comment?

It is so tiring, all this idiocy. You know, when I read ann article from a left-wing source, I see if it makes sense. Often times media puts a spin on things - on all sides of the coin.

It is up to ME to decide if I agree with the perspective they are showing. At times, it is easy to be mislead, especially if there are outright incorrect facts stated. But I don't just click and forward a link from some source without making my own analysis of what it contains.
apogee

climber
Mar 6, 2012 - 05:31pm PT
bookworm, like most of the rest of the RR ST Repugs, are desperately grasping at something...anything...that helps them escape the creeping reality that their whackjob GOP politics are only appealing to themselves, and that Obama is going to be their POTUS for another 4 years.

Edit: Yes, happi...that's quite clear, isn't it?
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Mar 6, 2012 - 07:15pm PT
So, like Chauncey Gardiner, Rush "likes to watch"? Just about the only thing the two have in common.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Mar 6, 2012 - 07:19pm PT
"He may be criminally indicted"

Uh, no. But she should sue him and his company for slander and defamation.
apogee

climber
Mar 6, 2012 - 07:49pm PT
Oh, brother.

Try again.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 6, 2012 - 07:53pm PT
So, Rush Limbaugh flapping his gums in a demeaning way towards a woman is wrong but taking $1000000 from Bill Maher who routinely refers to women as c#&%s and worse is okay?



who took a million dollars away from Bill Maher?

No one took it away from

Where did you get that from?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 6, 2012 - 08:38pm PT
rectorsquid said:

The conservatives don't like Obamacare. Are not some of those new laws a bit socialist? Maybe I don't understand how guaranteeing that every person in the country has something and is forced to pay for it is not socialist. I guess that if the gov doesn't actually own the health care system, it's not actually socialism, is it?


Well, I have to disagree with your contention.

The ultra conservative Heritage Foundation fully supported the individual mandate you refer to.

Both Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich also are on record for supporting the individual mandate, which of course is THE mechanism that enables 30 million Americans who currently do not have any health insurance, to have insurance.

I submit that the only real reason conservatives don't "like" the Affordable Care Act is that it was passed by an elected Democratic congress and signed into law by a Democratic President.

It has been obvious to everyone for three years now that these Republicans will automatically oppose every Judge he nominates, every women's initiative, every plan to help the unemployed find jobs, every single utterance of Obama's they are against.

And that sophomoric and relentlessly childish opposition is increasingly seen for what it is by the voting public, in your face obstructionist without valid rationale.

The true test will be in November when all of America gets to vote for or against the Democrats and specifically Obama.

I like the President's chances, Obama currently leads any Republican challenger by eight percent.

And he has not even begun to actively campaign, and they are in full swing.
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Mar 6, 2012 - 10:12pm PT
^^^word, the deepest recession of our lives and the GOP will go down in flames. what is wrong with you republicans, why don't you give us independents a choice? You've been hijacked.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 6, 2012 - 10:22pm PT
I think a cage match between Limpnuts and Fluke might generate a big pay day on HBO...?
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Mar 6, 2012 - 10:56pm PT
Truth be known, politics will virtually always follow the power and the money. The ultra right wing back a buffoon like Rush because he holds out the slim hope of increasing their hold on a little power and a lot of money. Take the promise of political and financial gain out of the equation and Rush is left alone to once more get whacked on Oxy and to flag down questionable sexual encounters in the Domincan Republic. The idea that Rush is the champion of some viable moral code or set of true values is one of the most demonstrably preposterous claims in current politics. He's a whack job and a zealot.

Let him go. Move on.

JL
apogee

climber
Mar 8, 2012 - 03:27pm PT
I'm currently listening to a(nother) piece on RL's yellow custard spray, and his influence on the GOP. The now infamous soundbyte of RL's quote was played, which has Peter Gabriel's
'Big Time' playing in the background. I thought that was odd...can't imagine PG being ok with RL using his music under any condition. Did a little googling, and voila!:

Peter Gabriel to Rush Limbaugh: Don’t Use My Tunes
Posted on Mar 7, 2012

Pulling the plug: Musician Peter Gabriel isn’t happy to be played by Rush Limbaugh.

Next time Rush Limbaugh wants to play the bully, he might need to play something other than Peter Gabriel’s music for a soundtrack. The musician’s reps posted a statement on Gabriel’s Facebook page noting that he was “appalled” to hear that Limbaugh had spun the tune “Sledgehammer” while besmirching Sandra Fluke’s honor last week during his attack on her appeal to Congress for contraception coverage. Guess that means Gabriel’s “Big Time,” another staple on the right-wing rabble-rouser’s show, is also off-limits, obliging Limbaugh to perhaps look beyond the ’80s for musical inspiration. —KA

“Lifeline Live” on USA Today:

The statement adds, “It is obvious from anyone that knows Peter’s work that he would never approve such a use. He has asked his representatives to make sure his music is withdrawn and especially from these unfair aggressive and ignorant comments.”

http://www.truthdig.com/arts_culture/item/rush_limbaushs_latest_loss_peter_gabriels_music_20120307/
rectorsquid

climber
Lake Tahoe
Mar 8, 2012 - 03:51pm PT
socialism...
If they were, why would that be bad?

Because socialism is bad, maybe.

It's just an opinion but there is no reliable evidence that socialism is better than any other economic system. Except maybe for the dirt poor who reap the benefits of other people paying their way. But for the society as a whole, the jury is still out on whether socialism, capitalism, communism, or any other economic system, is any better than any other.

If we knew what was best, we wouldn't dick around with all of these 4 and 8 year experiments that keep producing mediocre results. As soon as we have some success for a few years or even a few decades, we find that there was a flaw in the system that was hidden until it got bad enough to screw up everything. Sometimes the flaw is political where we all make money and eat well but then piss off someone enough to make them blow something up. Sometimes we see incredible growth that makes everyone happy until we discover that the growth was because of huge financial risks that ends up failing.

I don't feel like spending my middle age years watching politicians experiment with my future. I'd rather not retire in a box because we went socialist and it didn't work out. But then again, the experiment in giving home loans to under-qualified buyers didn't work and that screwed me too. Plus, blatant capitalism that screws the poor and forces people to work for low benefits without healthcare is what made this country as powerful as it is today. So, hell if I know what will work. I just fear change.

Dave

Gary

climber
"My god - it's full of stars!"
Mar 8, 2012 - 04:03pm PT
Because socialism is bad, maybe.

It's just an opinion but there is no reliable evidence that socialism is better than any other economic system.

Thanks for answering, nobody else ever does. I've been asking that question since the eighth grade.

There is some reliable evidence that democratic socialism is a better system. Google Forbe's Magazine's list of the best cities to live in. You'll note no US cities on that list, and a huge heaping of Euro socialist cities.

Except maybe for the dirt poor who reap the benefits of other people paying their way.

Then there's the uber-rich who reap the benefits of other people paying their way.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 8, 2012 - 04:07pm PT
Rush isn't as cool as this guy, but they've got a couple things in common.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTVpxxzb2Dc&feature=related
dirtbag

climber
Mar 9, 2012 - 12:31am PT
DT, you really are something else.

Are you capable of seeing anything in the world in shades other than black or white?
apogee

climber
Mar 9, 2012 - 12:34am PT
Gary

climber
"My god - it's full of stars!"
Mar 9, 2012 - 12:39am PT
The "card-check" debates in the US Congress reminded me of my own experiences with trade unions in the USSR, where organized labor was part of the official establishment and union membership was universal and mandatory. It also reminded me of how that system's seemingly magnanimous goals - fairness, economic equality, and social justice - in real life brought forth a rigged game of wholesale corruption, forced inequality, and grotesque injustice.

Years later, the same Orwellian misnomers are catching up with me in America. One of them is called "Employee Free Choice Act" - a legislation that deprives workers of free choice by replacing private balloting with publicly signed cards in the presence of pushy union organizers.

Whoever wrote that has either never been involved in a union organizing election, or is just a bald-faced whore for Wall Street.
dirtbag

climber
Mar 9, 2012 - 12:42am PT

You mean like your fallacious implication that Ronaldus Magnus was a Nazi sympathizer?

Never said that dude.

But that photo does show a shocking insensitivity. It was a low point in his presidency.
Gary

climber
"My god - it's full of stars!"
Mar 9, 2012 - 12:52am PT
Here's a question, Donald: how many union organizing elections have you been involved in? What is your personal knowledge?
Gal

Trad climber
a semi lucid consciousness
Mar 9, 2012 - 11:39am PT
Heheh, Lolli ...that's funny ;-)

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Mar 9, 2012 - 11:53am PT
Mr. Apogee:
I extend to you the same offer I did to Mr Norton. Would you like to dip into the ST archives and reprise some of comments and photos involving Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin that you and your compatriots posted not so long ago?
Juxtapose them next to Rush's comments for comparison.

I don't agree with the kind of thing that you are talking about. It is unseemly for intelligent people to participate in the sort of character assasination you describe.

HOWEVER, there is a difference.

The stuff you talk about is directed very specifically at an individual person. Rush was attacking a behavior, which appears to be broadly applicable to a large percentage of women in the US.

As such, it shows a disrepect and distain for all women, who if they have ever participated in sex outside of marriage, are defined as "sluts"....apparently as in contrast to men.

Well, that typifies a rather large segment of the US population..but not men.

This harkens back to this sort of distinction that women have had to bear for a long time, and they don't like it. I find it disgusting to see and to hear.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Mar 9, 2012 - 02:37pm PT
Truth be known, politics will virtually always follow the power and the money. The ultra right wing back a buffoon like Rush because he holds out the slim hope of increasing their hold on a little power and a lot of money. Take the promise of political and financial gain out of the equation and Rush is left alone to once more get whacked on Oxy and to flag down questionable sexual encounters in the Domincan Republic. The idea that Rush is the champion of some viable moral code or set of true values is one of the most demonstrably preposterous claims in current politics. He's a whack job and a zealot.

Let him go. Move on.

JL

John, I don't agree. Note that the Repub contenders ONLY disavow his exact language, they do NOT disavow his meaning.

Note that Santorum (pardon me, Dr. Santorum) then goes on to state that BC Pills are bad things for women.

It is important to point out what these guys actually stand for, when they are so intemperate as to say it.

Catholic teaching is that ANY artificial birth control is a sin, and they are dedicated to opposing it. This is not in dispute.

These guys believe that they should run the country from the standpoint of what their religion says they should do. This is not in dispute.

So it is not a bad idea to understand exactly what they will do, when they enact their religious Sharia-law type of gov't.

We saw this week in Va, and people should take note. Repubs passed a law that requires a medical procedure to be done that is not medically indicated, before standard legal treatment of a condition may be done.

Will the next thing be to require sterilization, before allowing medical treatment of "undesirables?" We've been there before, and remember that was back in what Repubs think of as "the good old days."
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Mar 9, 2012 - 03:06pm PT
Because socialism is bad, maybe.

It's just an opinion but there is no reliable evidence that socialism is better than any other economic system. Except maybe for the dirt poor who reap the benefits of other people paying their way. But for the society as a whole, the jury is still out on whether socialism, capitalism, communism, or any other economic system, is any better than any other.

If we knew what was best, we wouldn't dick around with all of these 4 and 8 year experiments that keep producing mediocre results. As soon as we have some success for a few years or even a few decades, we find that there was a flaw in the system that was hidden until it got bad enough to screw up everything. Sometimes the flaw is political where we all make money and eat well but then piss off someone enough to make them blow something up. Sometimes we see incredible growth that makes everyone happy until we discover that the growth was because of huge financial risks that ends up failing.

I don't feel like spending my middle age years watching politicians experiment with my future. I'd rather not retire in a box because we went socialist and it didn't work out. But then again, the experiment in giving home loans to under-qualified buyers didn't work and that screwed me too. Plus, blatant capitalism that screws the poor and forces people to work for low benefits without healthcare is what made this country as powerful as it is today. So, hell if I know what will work. I just fear change.

Dave


Dave, we are NOT talking, here, about a wholesale change in our economic system, to a socialistic one.

And we are not really talking about an experiment that has no anticedents.

First, lets look at some ACTUAL socialistic systems in our country: Fire, Police, Defense, Utilities, Highways.

Explain to me how those are failed systems? They involve systems RUN AND OWNED by the gov't.

The healthcare reform does not do that. It uses the free enterprise system to accomplish it's goals. In the delivery of healthcare, no one will be a new gov't employee.

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 9, 2012 - 03:25pm PT
The United States military is also pure socialism.

Surely everyone agrees our military is not a failed system, it protects our asses.

And we gladly fund it to its very fullest, in fact we keep on increasing its budget


The military produces zero "tangible" revenue, yet costs $700 billion dollars a year from taxpayers.

Virtually everyone agrees that there is tremendous waste of money in our military.

Our military was created by and is funded 100% by our government.

Our military is very much "run" by our government, right from the structured chain or command to strong congressional oversight of all of its goals and implementation.

Our government "owns the means of production" of our military, which is the accepted definition of socialism.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Mar 10, 2012 - 06:55am PT
SOCIALISM
If it's ood enough for my military
it's good enough for my health care
new world order-

climber
Mar 10, 2012 - 09:06am PT

"The US is sleepwalking into becoming a police state, where, like a pre-Magna Carta monarch, the president can lock up anyone

"And with a new bill now being introduced to make it a crime to protest in a way that disrupts any government process – or to get close to anyone with secret service protection – the push to legally lock down the United Police States is in full force."



Well, well. Looks like at least one person here is waking up to what is the new world order.

Police forces throughout the country are being militarized. Not long until TSA checkpoints will be set up on highways.

Because we're all terrorists. Have you noticed the military at public events? We're being trained to see it as normal.

And it doesn't matter which clown, which pawn is in office. First will come socialism, followed closely thereafter by communism.

1984 is today. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5464625623984168940#

Bah-ah-ah-ah... http://www.infowars.com/
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 10, 2012 - 11:32am PT
Is the cowardly Limbaugh like a more polished version of Hitler , bullying women by calling them sluts on national radio while advocating denial of health care procedures , the beginning of a facist movement similar to the rounding up of jews in nazi germany...?
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Mar 10, 2012 - 09:46pm PT
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 10, 2012 - 10:32pm PT
All of us are born with the unalienable right to life, liberty, and a lifetime supply of premium ribbed silky-smooth ultrasensitive spermicidal lubricant condoms. No taxation without rubberization, as the Minutemen said. The shot heard round the world, and all that.

When even casual sex requires a state welfare program, you’re pretty much done for.


No, the most basic issue here is not religious morality, individual liberty, or fiscal responsibility. It’s that a society in which middle-aged children of privilege testify before the most powerful figures in the land to demand state-enforced funding for their sex lives at a time when their government owes more money than anyone has ever owed in the history of the planet is quite simply nuts. As stark staring nuts as the court of Ranavalona, the deranged nymphomaniac queen of Madagascar at whose funeral the powder keg literally went up, killing dozens and burning down three royal palaces. Indeed, one is tempted to arrange an introduction between “T Squalls, 30,” now 32 going on 33, and Sandra Fluke, 30 going on 31, like a skillfully negotiated betrothal between two royal houses in medieval Europe. The student prince would bring to the marriage his impressive fortune of a decade’s worth of Trojan Magnums, while the Princess Leia would have a dowry of index-linked RU 486s settled upon her by HHS the Margravine of Sebelius. They would not be required to produce an heir.


Insane as this scenario is, the Democrat-media complex insists that everyone take it seriously

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/293094/fluke-charade-mark-steyn?pg=1

Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Mar 10, 2012 - 11:26pm PT
This is pure silliness

The insurance companies WANT to cover birth control and it's not coming out of government money. The only issue is do employers have a right to dictate their morals in the insurance they offer to employees (where they are otherwise prohibited from religion based discrimination)

If so, how far does that go. What if your employer prohibited any coverage for pain medicine (it's just so you feel better right?) any meds containing alcohol (some are against that drug even though Jesus made it in his first miracle) organ or tissue transplants of any kind (ain't natural) and on and on

Peace

Karl
BooYah

Social climber
Ely, Nv
Mar 10, 2012 - 11:39pm PT
I'm against organ & tissue transplants. That sh#t ain't Natural.
It wouldn't EVER happen unless WE did it. MEHHHHHH! (1st buzzer)
Count me "oot". If yer organs are done, then yer done.
Dumbass. Ya Should of took care of 'em. No second shots.
Yes, if mine run their course, I will of course, DIE. That's how it goes.
Whatever.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Mar 11, 2012 - 12:26am PT
500!

Which is maybe a good post to use to look at Mr. Limbaugh's view of the health care system. The only time I have ever heard him, he said that the real problem with health care in the US was that it was overwhelmed -- and put into financial trouble -- by having to treat injuries sustained by extreme athletes.

He singled out rock climbers as tremendous abusers of the system.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 13, 2012 - 06:33pm PT
BWA HA HA hahahaaa! Just when you thought it was dead, Commander Buttnugget "rears" his head!

Rush Limbaugh chided the National Organization for Women and its president, Terry O'Neill, on his syndicated radio show on Tuesday, over comments she made at the group's convention in New Orleans.

"All of this outrage that they have been spewing for a week—how horrible it's been, how uncouth," Limbaugh said. "Just listen to her describe it."

Limbaugh, whose show has lost dozens of advertisers in the fallout over his comments about Georgetown University law student Sandra Fluke, then played a clip from O'Neill's speech on Saturday at the NOW convention.

"Right now it really seems like we've got this godsend named Rush Limbaugh who has dropped this thing in our lap," O'Neill said. "Which is just wonderful. But the road ahead is really not gonna be completely rosy. We've got to be very clear on what the challenges are, and very clear about how we can move our own agenda forward in the current political climate."

Earlier this month, NOW called on Clear Channel to pull the plug on Limbaugh's show in the wake of his derogatory comments about Fluke.

"I thought they were outraged," Limbaugh said. "I thought they were offended. I thought it was the worst thing they ever heard anybody say. [Now] it's 'wonderful.' What a political opportunity."

Limbaugh, who referred to NOW members as "Nags," continued: "A godsend! The Nags called me a godsend. So not only am I God's gift to Obama, I'm God's gift to women."

He also used the results of Monday's CBS/New York Times poll, which found 80 percent of those polled are not better off than they were in 2008, to frame his views on financial support for contraception.

"What the women of America want is jobs," Limbaugh said. "They want an expanding economy, so we don't have to beg the government for their birth control pills."

Fluke appeared on CNN Tuesday in an attempt to refocus the debate away from the controversy surrounding Limbaugh's comments about her testimony and back to the birth control issue.

"It's unfortunate that some folks have made it so much about me and my access, because that was not what my testimony was about," Fluke said. "I would encourage people to take a look at that testimony."
corniss chopper

climber
breaking the speed of gravity
Mar 13, 2012 - 06:53pm PT
Fluke's unblinking thousand yard stare is creepy. She's been taking something more powerful than birth control pills.
Gary

climber
"My god - it's full of stars!"
Mar 13, 2012 - 07:43pm PT
And that's the way it is March 13, 2012.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 13, 2012 - 07:52pm PT
corniss chopper,
you're really an ugly little creep, aren't you? God forbid concentrating on the issue, when you can spread some nasty lies about the woman instead. Locker room mentality. Where the brightest brains are collected...

You never scored any girls, did you? The ugliness smells of bitter envy. The loser's futile and petty wailing.



Yes, I'm in a bad mood and you can have it. You deserve it. Be polite and share it with Donald Thompson and bookworm. Especially bookworm.


Hey Lolli, so raunchy stuff against men or conservative women is cool? Just curious? Is it only liberal women who get the free pass?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 13, 2012 - 08:09pm PT
Why are we talking about Fluke, I respect her knowledge of the issue, and the right wingers have completely gone of the deep end over this topic.
Obviously you have No idea what she actually said, and was talking about.

She said she needed $3000 to pay for 3 years of birth control and suggested since she couldn't afford it, the taxpayer should fund it. Did I miss something?

And Obama pushed the burden to the insurance companies. Same thing.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 13, 2012 - 08:16pm PT
Obama's favorite congress critter.

http://content.bitsontherun.com/previews/UAEeFxrK-svqBtzyp



Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Mar 13, 2012 - 09:47pm PT


What else can I say?
Gary

climber
"My god - it's full of stars!"
Mar 13, 2012 - 10:25pm PT
Donald, you wouldn't know the truth if it kicked you in the ass.

bluering:
Did I miss something?

Apparently, all you know about this is what Rush said. So yes, you missed pretty much the whole deal. Not that that is anything new.
jstan

climber
Mar 13, 2012 - 10:41pm PT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlRC0nsjtKQ

Here is Ms. Fluke's opening statement. It deals not with pregnancy but with failure of insurance policies to cover women's needs unrelated to pregnancy. Policies the students paid for without contribution by the school.

The case she made in this statement bears upon sexual discrimination and failure to meet contractual obligation.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 13, 2012 - 10:55pm PT
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Mar 13, 2012 - 11:04pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]



Rush is on his way out!!!!


See right wingers.... It ain't so good to be on the right wing any more.... less people are listening...


Get back to us when you have something worthwhile to offer
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 13, 2012 - 11:04pm PT
And all that oil production on private land in spite of BHOs policies.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 13, 2012 - 11:07pm PT
And all that oil production on private land in spite of BHOs policies.



links?

credible source?

Prove it


Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 13, 2012 - 11:08pm PT
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 13, 2012 - 11:09pm PT
http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/03/axelrod-bails-on-bill-maher-117387.html
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 13, 2012 - 11:11pm PT
corniss chopper

climber
breaking the speed of gravity
Mar 13, 2012 - 11:24pm PT
Lolli -Is your sympathy for the Fluke more than just casual? Measure your
EBR and report back to us.

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0003461
Reduced Spontaneous Eye Blink Rates in Recreational Cocaine Users: Evidence for Dopaminergic Hypoactivity.



jstan

climber
Mar 13, 2012 - 11:33pm PT
CC:
Your ad hominem attack on Lolli tells us you don't have anything to suppprt your argument. In light of that no one really has any reason to bother reading what you write.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Mar 13, 2012 - 11:46pm PT
Donald, I suggest that you do a little research, maybe even talk with women. (If your border collie doesn't work as a chick magnet for that purpose you're beyond hope.) There are many different types of "birth control" pills - many of which are prescribed for other reasons having nothing to do with birth control. Yes, the bargain ones may cost $10/month or so, but that doesn't mean they all do. Some apparently cost quite a bit more - different chemicals, different doses, and so on.

If the LEB were here, she'd give you an earful about this.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
Mar 14, 2012 - 12:43am PT
I read the transcript of her comments. To be honest, they seem pretty bland to me. She identified herself as a student and member of a reproductive rights group. She then testified that insurance companies should cover reproductive health care.

Um, I'm not feeling the outrage. If I testified in front of congress, identified myself as a climber, and said life insurance companies should not be able to exclude climbers, would that make me a left wing communist activist hack? I think not. Insurance is a highly regulated industry (and has been forever) and consumers should be able to say their piece to the rule makers.

ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
Mar 14, 2012 - 12:52am PT
Of course it was staged- all testimony before these committees is staged. Who the f*#k testifies before a congressional committee for no reason and without an agenda?

And who the f*#k is stupid enough bite? Rush and Donald Thompson. I like your dog though.

Edit: My BC:


apogee

climber
Mar 14, 2012 - 12:58am PT
"Now all conservatives "hate women" and are 'against women'. "

When did that become news?

Perhaps only in your mind, Donald...
apogee

climber
Mar 14, 2012 - 01:17am PT
I've said this six times already, but even if Fluke's testimony was pure political theater, Rush Limbaugh chose his own response.

Without RL's yellow custard diatribe, the GOP had a hope of making the Fluke testimony disappear. When he sprayed open his pie-hole, it landed all over the GOP.

It would seem very uncharacteristic for you, or any other Repug, to give the Dems that much credit for political strategizing.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
Mar 14, 2012 - 01:18am PT
One problem we've been having is that when playing flyball at a dog park our BC can get a little aggressive when other dogs get in his way or crowd him. Chasing the ball is his "job," so he takes it quite seriously.

Thoughts?

apogee

climber
Mar 14, 2012 - 01:37am PT
Do a search for tub_girl (&/or goatse). It'll answer everything for you.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Mar 14, 2012 - 08:14am PT
DT

It was a staged, scripted hoax. Political theater.

and what do you have to say about the all male panel of preachers that were the only ones called to testify, all coincidentally with the same opinion? How is that any different?

Peace

Karl
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 14, 2012 - 08:21am PT
DT.... Romney and his co-hort hacks are not political theater...? I should say political satire , eh ?
zeta

Trad climber
Portland, OR
Mar 14, 2012 - 05:58pm PT
sorry to add fuel to the fire, but this is just too good not to post...

enjoy!

http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2012/03/13/nina_turner_s_ohio_viagra_bill_s_b_307_would_regulate_men_s_access_to_viagra.html
apogee

climber
Mar 14, 2012 - 06:50pm PT
From the link above:

"Turner's proposal would require a man seeking Viagra to first attain an affidavit from a sexual partner attesting to his impotency, see a state-approved sex therapist, complete a stress test to assure he is healthy enough for sexual activity, and return to the doctor every 90 days to check on his cardiac health. The patient would also have to attend three outpatient counseling sessions within six months of receiving his prescription to ensure that he fully understands the "dangerous side effects" of taking erectile dysfunction drugs."

That's frickin' beautiful.

And it's about frickin' time.

Edit:
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/jansing-and-co/46706450#46706450
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 14, 2012 - 08:46pm PT
I think you guys are right in labeling as an "extremist" based on your values and regards as to responsibilities of our gov't.

You expect that the gov't can mandate to private insurance companies that they HAVE to cover birth control, and especially the type of BC they choose.

Why? The little 'loose woman' can't afford to pay for her own sexual life? Her lover can't pay for condoms for the act? Condoms aren't good enough? She needs BC pills because it promotes "women's health", which is quite debatable of what "health" is.

My Italian grandmother and many of her generation, did not use BC and are pretty healthy in the "women's health" arena.

Maybe less sex would be better. Maybe viruses contracted by newer sexual conduct is responsible for upticks in female uterinal problems.

To couch the BC arguement in "women's health" crap is really a reach.

Keep in mind too that this was originally a blanket coverage, even to churches, mosques, and synygogues that objected on First Amendment grounds.

The reaction from the Marxist White House was to pass the burden onto the insurance co's. Unless you're a fool, you'd realize that this cost will be diverted to us, the taxpayer.

This is a false arguement. It is a diversion from the demise of our country, and the failures of the professor-in-chief.

You can call me paranoid, call me names. Just look at what he's doing. Energy, economy, military, and social division of those that disagree with him.

He's a Marxist. Maybe a Maoist, but communists always use different tools to enact totalitarianism.

Look to Venezuela for a recent example.



monolith

climber
albany,ca
Mar 14, 2012 - 09:01pm PT
Arizona Bill could allow you to be fired for using the pill for pregnancy protection.

http://blog.sfgate.com/hottopics/2012/03/14/proposed-az-law-would-let-women-be-fired-for-using-the-pill/

A proposed new law in Arizona would give employers the power to require women being prescribed birth control pills provide proof that they’re using it for non-sexual reasons. Imagine getting fired for using birth control pills.

According to the statepress.com:

The Senate Judiciary Committee voted 6-2 Monday to endorse a controversial bill that would allow Arizona employers the right to deny health insurance coverage for contraceptives based on religious objections.

Arizona House Bill 2625, authored by Majority Whip Debbie Lesko, R-Glendale, would permit employers to ask their employees for proof of medical prescription if they seek contraceptives for non-reproductive purposes, such as hormone control or acne treatment.

… “My whole legislation is about our First Amendment rights and freedom of religion,” Lesko said. “All my bill does is that an employer can opt out of the mandate if they have any religious objections.

And because Arizona’s an at-will employment state, Jezebel.com points out, that means that bosses critical of their female employees’ sex lives could fire them as a result.

It’s all about freedom, (Lasko) said, echoing everyone who thinks there’s nothing ironic about claiming that a country that’s “free” allows people’s bosses to dictate what medical care is available to them through insurance. First amendment. The constitution. Rights of religious people to practice the treasured tenets of their faiths, the tenets that dictate that religious people get to tell everyone who is not of faith how they’re supposed to live, and the freedom to have that faith enforced by law. Freedom®.

The funniest part of this incredible story is that lawmaker Lesko says the bill is necessary because “we live in America; we don’t live in the Soviet Union.”

What is in the water out there in Arizona?

corniss chopper

climber
breaking the speed of gravity
Mar 14, 2012 - 09:27pm PT
Some Liberals do have a sense of humor. Like Democrat Nina Turner Ohio State Senate
(And lets not speculate on her home life)

Turner's proposal would require a man seeking Viagra to first attain an affidavit from a sexual partner attesting to his impotency, see a state-approved sex therapist, complete a stress test to assure he is healthy enough for sexual activity, and return to the doctor every 90 days to check on his cardiac health. The patient would also have to attend three outpatient counseling sessions within six months of receiving his prescription to ensure that he fully understands the "dangerous side effects" of taking erectile dysfunction drugs.

http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2012/03/13/nina_turner_s_ohio_viagra_bill_s_b_307_would_regulate_men_s_access_to_viagra.html


bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 14, 2012 - 10:01pm PT
It's bizarre to me that more attention isn't paid to national resources and excessive spending.

Instead it's still 'womens rights', repubs hate chix, dem love chix, etc....

And yeah, you should have to pay for Viagra.
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Mar 14, 2012 - 10:11pm PT
FACT: You should pay outta your own pocket for ALL medical. Not taxpayers, not business. And it should be affordable.


Expensive healthcare got that way from trying to make it free to the recipient.


& I must agree, Rush is doing a good job of motivating independent voters to go for the O-man.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 14, 2012 - 10:25pm PT
http://www.forbes.com/sites/billfrezza/2012/03/13/are-radical-feminists-shakers-without-the-furniture/
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Mar 14, 2012 - 10:32pm PT
New Republican Government Seal



Official Announcement:

Newly elected President Santorum and his Vice President Newt Gingrich today announced that it is changing its emblem from an Eagle to a CONDOM because it more accurately reflects the government's political stance. A condom allows for inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, reduces women’s rights, protects a bunch of pricks, and gives you a sense of security while you're actually being screwed!

When President Santorum was asked does this mean you are now changing your position on woman’s rights and health care on publicly funded contraception? He said “No, this nothing to do with women’s rights.” Women should not have any rights.

When the press pressured Gingrich on rumors that some were found in the room next to his newly decorated office: He was quoted as saying; “This is another liberal high profile elite press to smear me’ I have not used them, do not have them and I am shocked that you liberal elite press would ask this question on the day before my loveable wife who has been out of the country for the last three weeks on a friendship tour in Israel and that tomorrow she will be home to celebrate for our thirteen anniversary".

When he was asked the same question by another member of the press ; He was quoted as saying “ I use green ones so you have your proof ask any of my aides they will agree.”
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 14, 2012 - 10:42pm PT
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 14, 2012 - 11:02pm PT

Man Pleads Guilty to Threatening Arpaio

Updated: Wednesday, 14 Mar 2012, 1:02 PM MST
Published : Wednesday, 14 Mar 2012, 1:00 PM MST

PHOENIX - A man described as a President Barack Obama fanatic pleads guilty to threatening to kill Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

Adam Eugene Cox appeared in a Tennessee courtroom on Wednesday.

He was arrested last year for a death threat that began on the Internet.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 14, 2012 - 11:02pm PT
Just discovered Geico Insurance sponsors Rush ...Guess i'll find a different insurer....RJ
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 14, 2012 - 11:04pm PT
Fox news eh...? The national enquirer of TV...Good source there TGT...Read any good comic books lately.....:]
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Mar 14, 2012 - 11:30pm PT
What is in the water out there in Arizona?

Colorado's recycled Coors.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Mar 14, 2012 - 11:44pm PT
Yep!


Most Rush advertisers are backing away per this report from (noted right-wing-site) Bloomberg:


http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-03-06/limbaugh-radio-show-faces-backlash-from-social-media-as-advertisers-flee

Rush Limbaugh faced rising pressure from critics who are using new media to keep advertisers away from his long-running radio show.

At least 10 companies, including online publisher AOL Inc. (AOL), have dropped the most-popular U.S. talk-radio show after Limbaugh called Georgetown University law student Sandra Fluke a “prostitute” and a “slut.” Fluke appeared before Congress on Feb. 23 to speak in favor of President Barack Obama’s policy requiring insurers to provide birth control to women.

Much of the pressure on advertisers has come from online activists using Twitter and Facebook to mobilize against Limbaugh. They see undermining the program’s economic viability as the way to force distributor Clear Channel Communications Inc. (CCMO)’s Premiere Radio Networks (3069Q) to stop syndicating the show.

“The tactic of just asking advertisers has been a very successful one,” said Krystal Ball, a 30-year-old MSNBC commentator who started a website called boycottrush.org. “So as long as that is successful, we’ll continue.”

Ball, a Democrat, ran unsuccessfully for Congress in 2010. The campaign targeting Limbaugh is led by groups like Media Matters for America and the Ohio Democratic Party.

“The social media world has really exploded,” said Terry O’Neill, president of the National Organization for Women. “I think Rush Limbaugh is going to go down over this.”

More big companies, including Sears Holdings Corp. (SHLD), owner of the namesake retailer and discounter Kmart, insurer Geico Corp. (156714Q) and tractor maker Deere & Co. (DE), are taking steps to ensure their advertisements stop appearing on Limbaugh’s show.

Deere Dealers

Ads were placed on the program by Deere dealers through a network and not by the manufacturer, said Kenneth Golden, director of global public relations for the Moline, Illinois- based company.

“Deere is reviewing the placement of these advertisements, as the company has not chosen to be a current advertiser,” Golden said.

Instructions to keep Sears and Kmart ads off of Limbaugh’s show weren’t followed, according to Chris Brathwaite, a spokesman for their Hoffman Estates, Illinois-based parent. The company doesn’t buy media based on political affiliations, Brathwaite said.

“Sears and Kmart did not intentionally advertise on the Rush Limbaugh show,” according to a company statement. “Sears Holdings has taken actions to ensure our ads do not run on this show.”

Geico has banned advertising on Limbaugh’s programs since 2004, according to a customer-service e-mail.

“On occasion, a local station may mistakenly run a GEICO ad in the wrong time slot,” the e-mail said. “We are directing our ad buyers to make sure that does not happen.”

‘Leftists Who Despise’

Clear Channel, based in San Antonio, didn’t respond to phone calls and e-mails seeking comment. The company was taken private in a buyout led by Bain Capital Partners LLC and Thomas H. Lee Partners LP in July 2008.

A small number of shares of its parent, CC Media Holdings Inc., are traded publicly. CC Media lost 7.1 percent yesterday to $6.04 and has climbed 38 percent so far this year.

Limbaugh, 61, apologized to Fluke on his website on March 3 and on his radio program yesterday, saying he “acted too much like the leftists who despise me.”

He addressed the advertiser flight, telling listeners: “What we’re gonna do is replace those that leave, those that no longer want access to you, those advertisers who no longer want your business, fine. We’ll replace them. It’s simple, really.”

Short Memory

Besides AOL, companies that have suspended advertising on the show include retailer Stamps.com Inc. (STMP) and online service LegalZoom.com Inc. Hawaii’s KPUA radio station also dropped the program.

Limbaugh averaged 13.2 million listeners a week as of spring 2011, according to ratings supplied by Horizon Media Inc., an ad planning and placement company.

Robert Thompson, a professor of television, radio and media studies at Syracuse University in Syracuse, New York, said he expects the Limbaugh controversy to blow over as new scandals overshadow this one.

“It only becomes a problem if there aren’t other advertisers to take their place,” Thompson said. “American culture has an uncanny ability to dissolve this kind of stuff, especially with Limbaugh.”

The controversy flared from a debate over the Obama administration’s decision to require health insurers to provide birth control to women. Fluke, a past president of Law Students for Reproductive Justice, wasn’t allowed to testify at the Republican-controlled committee meeting. She addressed a panel put together by Democrat Nancy Pelosi.

As long as the controversy burns, advertisers may be reluctant to associate with Limbaugh’s program, said Steve Piluso, head of strategic planning at PHD Media, a unit of advertising agency Omnicom Group Inc. (OMC)

“Some clients will think twice about being in that environment,” Piluso said in a telephone interview. “If you’re a packaged goods company targeting women, using derogatory language, that makes brands uncomfortable.”

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 14, 2012 - 11:49pm PT
Geico has banned advertising on Limbaugh's show since 2004...? Too late in my book...Salamander slut...RJ
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 15, 2012 - 10:39am PT
Marxist White House.





















BWA HA HA HA hahahahaaaaaa!!!
GuapoVino

Trad climber
All Up In Here
Mar 15, 2012 - 10:43am PT
Fox News protects advertiser Monsanto:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVKvzHWuJRU
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Mar 15, 2012 - 10:55am PT
Maybe less sex would be better.

Damn right. Where did them uppity women get the idea that they should have sex in the first place? Probably that Maoist in the White House is behind it. But whatever the cause, if women don't stop having sex, a communist takeover of America is inevitable. Inevitable!



survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 16, 2012 - 12:30am PT
You can call me paranoid, call me names. Just look at what he's doing. Energy, economy, military, and social division of those that disagree with him.

We DO look at what he's doing Blue, that's why we prefer him so massively over the corporate suk-up, Christian fundamentalist, anti-porn, war on drugs, men make the choices for women, anti-anybody-but-white-guy folks you're putting up!
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Mar 16, 2012 - 12:43am PT
Rush has always been a bloated buffoon that craves any kind of attention. The fact that some people look to him for guidance is just sad and pathetic. Even Rush knows he is a joke.

If Conservatives were smart, they would disown him. But they don't...hmmmm
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 16, 2012 - 07:50pm PT
We DO look at what he's doing Blue, that's why we prefer him so massively over the corporate suk-up, Christian fundamentalist, anti-porn, war on drugs, men make the choices for women, anti-anybody-but-white-guy folks you're putting up!

I'm putting up??? Who are you talking about?

corporate suk-up? You don't think Obama is that?

Christian fundamentalist, anti-porn, war on drugs, men make the choices for women, anti-anybody-but-white-guy

And you call me an extremist??? You really think all that crap? In regards to whom in particular?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 16, 2012 - 08:34pm PT
What's funny about the People's Cube is that the proprietor is a reformed communist-party propagandist from Russia. He knows...
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 16, 2012 - 09:11pm PT
It's ok, you're about to have four more years to make up fictions like this.
Layla

climber
Mar 16, 2012 - 10:57pm PT
Hi Everyone,

Let us see how long it takes Hardman, official hitman for ST, to summarily execute me this time - without so much as even a reading any charges. If one is going to exert power, it is nice if he or she advises people of the particular high crimes and misdemeanors they have reputedly committed.

RE: taxpayer funded contraception: It is one of the best investments we can make. There are too many of us on this planet,as it is. The entitlements far surpass what we, as a society, can logically afford. Birth control is generally very inexpensive. The very last thing we need is to bring forth yet more people born unto persons who can ill-afford to support them and who will, ultimately, further burden the tax-payer. Given the status of our current entitlements, I say make government-funded contraception available to EVERYONE and ANYONE who wants it. It is a humane and sensible way to cut down on over-population and the already over-extended entitlements.

Survival, it is best to not to be too sure of that outcome. While I the incumbent has a decided advantage, I don't feel the outcome is in the bag at all. Obama is not a sure bet, by any means. It is going to be rough going for both sides.





TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 16, 2012 - 11:01pm PT
“We have to make sure people are making good decisions about cars, and dealing with high gas prices is a sacrifice I expect Americans to make."
-Candidate Barack Obama, 2008
ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven
Mar 16, 2012 - 11:03pm PT
Layla = the LEB thing = Lois

Please, go away.
edejom

Boulder climber
Butte, America
Mar 16, 2012 - 11:06pm PT
Lush Rimjob hasn't aired any commercial spots with him doing a "live" voice-over endorsement in the last week, or so--those used to be his bread and butter gigs.

Gone for now, along with the dollars from them...
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 16, 2012 - 11:12pm PT
“We have to make sure people are making good decisions about cars, and dealing with high gas prices is a sacrifice I expect Americans to make."
-Candidate Barack Obama, 2008


Tell me exactly what is "wrong" with ANYBODY saying we have to make good decisions about the cars that we buy. Like maybe we all should not drive Hummers?

And what is wrong with saying that all of us have to face the certainty that we live in a world of peak oil, and consequently to expect high gas prices.

And yes, we all do have to "sacrifice" some of our money and grow up, the days of
cheap gas are long gone, in case you can't figure that out.



What?

YOU don't understand basic supply and demand of crude oil?

Then go take back to high school and take some real easy classes on economics.

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 16, 2012 - 11:20pm PT

Meet the Roberts electric car. Built in 1896, it gets a solid 40 miles to the charge — exactly the mileage Chevrolet advertises for the Volt, the highly touted $31,645 electric car General Motors CEO Dan Akerson called “not a step forward, but a leap forward.”




As the New York Times reported September 5, “For General Motors and the Obama administration, the new Chevrolet Volt plug-in hybrid represents the automotive future, the culmination of decades of high-tech research financed partly with federal dollars.”

Like “green technology’s” most powerful proponent, President Barack Obama, the 1896 Roberts was made in Chicago. Obama, who supports the $7,500 tax credit for the Volt, is not fazed by its 40-mile electric limit — he only drove the car 10 feet.

apogee

climber
Mar 16, 2012 - 11:23pm PT
Yes, you're right, TGT.

Everything is just fine the way it is.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
Mar 16, 2012 - 11:26pm PT
Now my lovely and nutty home state of AZ is working a law through its legislature whereby employers could demand proof that birth control is being used for non-contraceptive purposes and religious groups could terminate employees for using contraceptives, regardless of where those contraceptives were obtained.

Someone please enlighten me as to who such a law would benefit, or how taking on this fight helps the republicans. Insurance companies? Doubtful any insurance exec I know would prefer to pay for pregnancy/birth/and a brand new dependent rather than pennies for birth control pills. Employers? Doubtful employers like paying for maternity leave and adding another dependent to their insurance rolls. Republican politicians? This latest dustup has done more to make them seem like barbaric cretins than the last five or so recent stumbles.

Why oh why have they embarked on this path??

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 16, 2012 - 11:35pm PT
Layla

climber
Mar 16, 2012 - 11:39pm PT
What is "wrong" with it Norton is that talk is cheap. Anyone can say anything - as you and I well know. What matters is what you actually do - not what you say. Much of his administrative policy and decisions are such that they do not actually combat high prices - taking the bull by the horn. In fact, in some cases, they actually foster it.

Now, my personal preference is Gingrich although I would agree that he is not esp electable. He definitively and specifically outlines measures to combat high gas prices and bring the trend downward.

I would say right now, Norton, the hard-core Dems such as yourself are underestimating the resentment of the rank and file toward gas prices. Remember what happened to Jimmy Carter. Ultimately, first and foremost, people vote with their pocketbooks and wallets.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Mar 16, 2012 - 11:41pm PT
LEB is back...WTF??
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 16, 2012 - 11:43pm PT
Last week, the Obama Administration sought to increase the Chevrolet Volt purchaser tax credit from $7,500 to $10,000.

All this for a car so dangerous to first responders that the Department of Energy allocated $4.4 million dollars for programs to prevent fire fighters from electrocuting themselves while trying to rescue crash victims.



“There is a yellow First Responder cable “cut” tag wrapped around the low volt positive battery cable behind the fuse panel door, located on the left side of the rear compartment (see diagram on next page). This cable should be cut first to disable the vehicle safely before beginning any extrication. The cable should be cut on both sides of the label to ensure the cut cable ends do not inadvertently touch and re-energize the vehicle.”

General Motors also warns that “cutting these cables can result in serious injury or death.”

Hence the need for spending $4.4 million in taxpayer money to train firefighters across the country to protect themselves from a car that the government paid people $7,500 per unit to purchase.

http://townhall.com/columnists/stephensmoot/2012/03/16/the_doe_helps_firefighters_combat_volt_fires/page/full/
Layla

climber
Mar 16, 2012 - 11:43pm PT
Knot to worry, Bob, knot to worry. Hardman will catch-on soon enough and then he will summarily execute me without benefit of reading the charges, or anything remotely resembling due process.
ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven
Mar 16, 2012 - 11:43pm PT
again...

Layla = the LEB thing = Lois

It is so obvious.

You were banned for a reason.

Please, f*#king GO AWAY!
Layla

climber
Mar 16, 2012 - 11:46pm PT
Did I deny the ID?
You were banned for a reason
. That is my entire point. What was the "reason?" What were the charges? Exactly what did I do?

Layla

climber
Mar 16, 2012 - 11:52pm PT
Wake up DF - I did not try to hide the ID.
ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven
Mar 16, 2012 - 11:55pm PT
LEB - you were asked to leave, your were asked to change your behavior and limit your posting. You did neither and have treated this site like it was your personal f*#king soapbox. CM explained his vision for this site and how you and a few other posters were taking it in a direction that was different than what he wanted. Again, you continued to act in the same manner, and therefore were banned.

For you to act like a victim that was never given a chance is incredibly inaccurate and disingenuous; you f*#king well know why you were banned. IMHO, removing you from the site was one of the best moves CM has made. The management does not want you here. I believe that a majority of posters and readers of this site do not want you here. That you continue to weasel your way back onto a site where you are not wanted demonstrates what a seriously rude and f*#ked-up individual you are.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Mar 17, 2012 - 12:23am PT
ncrockclimber:

seriously rude and f*#ked-up individual you are.

I don't think there's even one example of Lois being as "seriously rude" as ncrockclimber in his post above.
apogee

climber
Mar 17, 2012 - 12:43am PT
Lois is back, huh?

Well, I'll be damned.

Any bets on how long (s)he lasts?
Layla

climber
Mar 17, 2012 - 12:48am PT
Knot long, apogee, not long. As soon as Hardman catches wind of it, he will (once again) summarily execute me. The thing is, it would be nice if he would at least read off the charges. Arbitrary and capricious is not really great way to run a railroad, eh? As long as I am here, however briefly, how have you been? Well, I hope.
Layla

climber
Mar 17, 2012 - 01:33am PT
I am going to bed soon but I make a stab at it. Who knows how long I will last before "the man" discovers I have slipped through a window.

OK let's have a go at it

statement 1:
Gingrich has some ideas which may well be effective in lowering energy costs.

statement 2:
Gingrich is smarter, stronger and more competent than Romney but probably not as electable due to "little minds" who will focus on irrelevant issues concerning his personal life

statement 3:
the economy, esp jobs and energy, will factor in a big way in 2012 voting decisions

take your pick. If the "hitman" has not discovered me by tomorrow perhaps we can have some interesting discussion

BTW how have you been - more pic of that adorable child of yours would be nice also
Layla

climber
Mar 17, 2012 - 01:43am PT
adorable child! Nice job in creating her. If I am still around tomorrow (???) maybe we can chat. Like you, I am fast approaching brain dead. Had some very, very challenging patients this week and I am whipped. I had some very sick people but (whew!) I am pleased to announce that everyone pulled through. I love the job but it is very taxing and, more importantly, too far from my real home - where my heart is.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Mar 17, 2012 - 01:57am PT
Cheers Layla!
Layla

climber
Mar 17, 2012 - 02:00am PT
Hey, Bro, don't hold your breath. My stay here may not be long lived. I am psyched! I am going back home in 6 weeks! How are things going for you?
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Mar 17, 2012 - 02:36am PT
Most things good some things worse and exceptionally strange, I'll send you an update
Layla

climber
Mar 17, 2012 - 02:39am PT
Good, I like your updates and analysis - sharp mind you have
edejom

Boulder climber
Butte, America
Mar 17, 2012 - 10:56am PT
layla, 17 posts in just over 2 hours on the same thread (a poli-one) is EXACTLY what cmac is talking about--others have been banned here for doing that ad nauseum.

you're new here--follow the rules, they're simple and make this a better forum

good luck in here
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Mar 17, 2012 - 11:36am PT
Lolli- She's not exactly here either.
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