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locker
Social climber
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Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 21, 2012 - 10:16am PT
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Toast!!!...
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 21, 2012 - 10:18am PT
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The best thing that could have happened to ST. I hope this time it's for good.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 21, 2012 - 10:20am PT
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Church is out, finally.
We can all go home now.
Locker/Norton
2012
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Feb 21, 2012 - 10:49am PT
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OH my.... Wow!
that'll change things around here.
Nature/Jaybro 2012
Endorsed by Hanuman
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TwistedCrank
climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
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Feb 21, 2012 - 10:51am PT
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Damn it all to hell.
I was about to call her a khlueless khunt.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 21, 2012 - 11:03am PT
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Rox...hilarious. Oh poor Lois.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Feb 21, 2012 - 11:06am PT
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She whupped your asses raw,
hahaha..
Nope.
Lois was rude and clueless on the Sobriety thread. Happi could take care of herself, but she made a good point when she said that some folks could be turned away because of someone like Lois.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Feb 21, 2012 - 11:11am PT
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That was my thought Moosie and Sullly - the sobriety thread.
As I watched it unfold yesterday I was thinking "LEB is gonna get whacked". People warned and she kept on and on and on. And then she was whacked. Not a surprise to me at all.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 21, 2012 - 11:12am PT
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Rox really believed that Lois was Lois. Funny sh#t.
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Prod
Trad climber
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Feb 21, 2012 - 11:25am PT
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I have not been paying attention lately, are people being axed left and right? Who is gone so far? Am I still here?
Prod.
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TwistedCrank
climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
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Feb 21, 2012 - 11:28am PT
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It's the great purge of 2012.
Don't they do this stuff is totalitarian regimes?
Revisionist history and all that.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Feb 21, 2012 - 11:30am PT
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I have to say I agree with Chris's statement about the fairness of one member being able to dominate and sway all threads in their direction with a large volume of posts. I don't think any forum needs that kind of person around, regardless of the quality of their posts.
Although, high post count users seem to post the most crap.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 21, 2012 - 11:30am PT
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Did the earth stop turning? I actually agree with Rox!
Ridiculous, if inevitable.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 21, 2012 - 11:32am PT
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The ending of the last days of the wild west are here as the Taliban has taken over the internet.
Jesse James, Bonnie Clyde's and other outlaws are all being taken down.
All that will be left is the drooling sheep patting each other on the backs.
The police state is alive and well.
Lock all the wolves up to protect the sheep .....
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 21, 2012 - 11:34am PT
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What did I miss this time? Holy Frijole, I can't keep up!
She always has a very tightly controlled "quiet" emasculating approach to everything...
Was it a sheer post count thing or a specific statement?
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Feb 21, 2012 - 11:34am PT
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CMac has his limits. You mess up his threads with political crap, or mess up a serious thread like the sobriety thread with 'it's all about me' posts, you get shown the door. Consider yourself lucky Rox, you detracted from that thread as well.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 21, 2012 - 11:47am PT
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Brilliant summary from the legendary Karl Baba:
The Loising Point
I have an internet friend named Lois.
She just doesn’t “get it” sometimes.
The truth is we all don’t “Get it” to different degrees about something or another.
But Lois embodies obtuseness in such a way that I realize that a certain threshold of blindness is a cosmic principle in human relationships. We can talk until we are blue in the face but some people will never, ever, ever, ever, Ever “get it”
Get used to it.
“Hey Lois, can you see the nose on your face?”
“I don’t see it. Everybody else’s face seem to have a nose but I can’t see one on me”
“Lois, look way down above your lips, you gotta see it.”
“All I see is a blurry blob. It doesn’t look anything like the nose on your face.”
“Come on Lois, when you have a cold, what’s all the snot come out of?”
“Oh Lord, when it’s cold season my cat gets a cold and her nose drips all over my clean sheets. But me, I’ve never heard anything about any nose that might be on my face”
“Yeah Lois, but I searched on the internet and I found 12 examples of people telling you about the nose on your face.”
“You never can be too sure of anything. I heard of a man whose nose was shot off by his ex-wife, I bet he still get colds and he didn’t have a nose. What do you mean by nose?”
I could go on and on,
and it does go on and on.
But the point is simple.
And that is
When you’ve gone around and around trying to communicate something to someone, made your case clear, logical, documented and presented it from every conceivable viewpoint.
And that person can’t even acknowledge the issue to disagree on.
And when their responses inevitably turn into a self-referential feedback loop
That person will never get your point
But you’ve reached theirs
You’ve
reached
their
“Loising point.”
Any further discussion will only deteriorate into the “Loisification” of the subject.
The self-referential feedback loop will imprint excess bandwidth hum over any further progress in the debate.
The topic is lost and the subject reverts to "Me, Me, Me"
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 21, 2012 - 11:47am PT
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I was MUCH worse on that thread, I was delibertly an asshat; annoying and dismissive of the thread, its purpose and its posters
Wow. Dissing the purpose and the posters?
That's fukkd up man. What gives you the special right to do that when people are trying to find a better way forward in their life?
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 21, 2012 - 11:50am PT
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Rox wrote: Bob, we need to get something straight. I ain't as nice a guy as you remember. Give the credit for your ride home all those many years ago to Chris C. I think he was the reason you got a ride from me, I would have let you hitch. You asked him and he asked me.
What are you talking about?
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 21, 2012 - 12:02pm PT
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This Hiker guy needs go next .....
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Feb 21, 2012 - 12:05pm PT
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Oh, BIG Victory. Yeah, EVERYTHING is going to chance, because some pussy assed climbers have managed to increase their sense of exclusivity and intense uniqueness by running of an old woman who just wanted to hang out and post on political threads.
Yeah, you guys are BIG BAD Mountain Climbers. Liberal and educated to a fault.
God Damn damn pussies.
You guys ain't a pimple on a mans ass. Your behaviour is inexcusable and as generous and bold as a pile of ants stripping a chicken bone. She whupped your asses raw, and the lack of your hospitality, your evident cliquishness and your lack of personal tolerance speaks volumes to your ability to lie to yourselves about what kind of people you really are.
Yeah, Big Brave Men, Performing At The Pinnacle of Their Sport and admired by all.
Well, you just managed to banish an old gal who was actually enamored with what you do, and now she gets to pay for her association with us. Yeah, you guys make me real Proud of the personalities within the sport. You guys are SO much better than HER.
In your own f*#king messed up minds.
You guys can start working on me again, and every other poster whose harmless opinions you don't want to hear. What BOLD men you are.
i agree with rox.
this site is a joke in so far as for every one good post or thread there are 100 that truly suck. yeah i am part of the 99% so ban me mofo....
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Feb 21, 2012 - 12:06pm PT
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because some climbers have managed to increase their sense of exclusivity and intense uniqueness by running of an old woman who just wanted to hang out and post on political threads.
Exactly, Rox...
I smell smoke from Salem!
You and I need kiss the Blarney Stone or refine our flattery and apple polishing skills lest we go next, sir.
It's not too late to turn toady and curry favor with the inner circle. Filth spewing luminaries will always have a place here...Lois just didn't understand fawning and adulation were requisite fire insurance for commoners.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Feb 21, 2012 - 12:08pm PT
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Rokjox
LEB had focus. She/he/they went for Happie. You are much too unfocused to get nuked. You're all over the place when you're arguing. It's impossible to see who you are hitting.
monolith: A good picture - I see Rokjox playing loud and rough in the backyard of ST
Edited.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Feb 21, 2012 - 12:11pm PT
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At CMacs home, it's ok for the kids to play loud and rough in the backyard, but when the football breaks a window, better run.
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jstan
climber
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Feb 21, 2012 - 12:14pm PT
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My first contact with climbers came on a trip when I and another were causing more of a fuss than we might have. Hallam Murray, the leader, said to us, "Be careful now. You too can be replaced by a nonlinear servomechanism."
I was at the cliff only because I wanted to go back into the Adirondacks knowing how to use that rope thing. What Hal said persuaded me climbers were wonderfully interesting people, so I never got away. I come here to supertopo for that same reason.
May I pose a question? The internet is offering us something frankly revolutionary.
(Locker space)
Are we making the best possible use of it?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Feb 21, 2012 - 12:16pm PT
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Hopefully CMac and Co. run an ip analysis and blow off duplicate avatars on a regular basis.
With regard to the LEB, the shift in authoring was so painfully obvious I'm still surprised anyone kept responding to the avatar as though it was a real person. Hard to imagine what benefits the author was enjoying, but it's a funny world...
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Feb 21, 2012 - 12:17pm PT
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cmac and the taliban are related.
eff em.
i hope their post count sputters to nothing so they lose advertisers.
ST.com, the new alternative to rc.com.
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Prod
Trad climber
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Feb 21, 2012 - 12:19pm PT
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Last I recalled this site belongs to C-Mac. It is not the readers site. Chris is free to nix people willy nilly if he so chooses.
The Taliban is a group Werner. From a political structure point of view, this would be closer to a Monarchy, or maybe an Oligarchy, I'm not sure if Chris has deligated power to others? Whatever the case, while DRAMATIC, your Taliban analogy does not really fit.
Prod.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 21, 2012 - 12:24pm PT
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Rox wrote: I don't really think it matters. Everybody creates their reality in their own minds about what their personal history is, and that completely irrespective of the facts. If you want to remember me as a nice guy, I should let you.
You are creating your right now. I don't remember ever being in a car with you.
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Prod
Trad climber
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Feb 21, 2012 - 12:25pm PT
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I think he is confusing you with BVB?
Prod.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Feb 21, 2012 - 12:26pm PT
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Now that LEB is gone, Glanton needs to be whacked, too.
After this thread runs it's course, he/she/it won't have anything left here.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 21, 2012 - 12:32pm PT
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Rox wrote: No, you ain't WORTH what I already have said.
Cause it never happened.
Coming from a drunk/stoner who is being supported by his wife that really means a lot.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Feb 21, 2012 - 12:32pm PT
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I defended LEB's account status a while back saying something like "I usually just ignore her posts, do the same and don't worry about her", and someone wise replied "Yes but when someone posts over and over to the same thread they monopolize the conversation and make it all about them, and pretty soon they thread has drifted into a worthless direction". I just read the sobriety thread and that's exactly what happened there.
I'm perfectly fine with the following Whackamole offenses:
1. Ruining a CMAC thread. It's his friggin' site, duh.
2. Posting incessantly. If someone usually posts multiple times in the 20 posts per page and don't add anything to the thread but their neediness they need to step away from the computer.
3. Being an as#@&%e constantly. I don't understand why some people think this is a good approach to life and relationships. I guess they don't have a choice, but I don't want those people around me.
4. Posting photos of blue butt plugs
Of course most people guilty of 1-3 won't see they've done anything wrong and will fall right into a victim mentality and blame others, but that's part of their personality disorder, probably nothing you can do about that.
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apogee
climber
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Feb 21, 2012 - 12:39pm PT
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"I think it's obvious what is going on and I also think it is WORKING..."
When the Big Hit happened, I thought the rationale for their whacking seemed pretty obvious...then more stuff started oozing out about what was really going on behind the ST scene, and I gained a very different opinion. One of those whackings had some really twisted shite going on, which caused my support for that person to evaporate.
With that experience in mind, I'm gonna reserve judgement on whether Lois's whacking was really justified. Too often, there's stuff going on that is not in view that sheds a very different light on things.
I will say that it's too bad Lois got the chop- she could be annoying as shite, but she also had the ability to be quite lucid and interesting. Like any troll, the fact that many found her annoying was as much a reflection on their lack of ability to not engage her as anything she ever actually said.
Whatever the rationale has been for these latest whackings, I'd say there has definitely been a change, for the better. The tone is less negative, more respectful, and interesting discussions are actually happening. OT threads have also declined, much to the relief of others. Here's to hoping it continues in this direction.
Edit: Fet's # 3 is right on the $$
"Being an as#@&%e constantly. I don't understand why some people think this is a good approach to life and relationships. I guess they don't have a choice, but I don't want those people around me."
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 21, 2012 - 12:44pm PT
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glad you found work, Rox!
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Prod
Trad climber
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Feb 21, 2012 - 12:51pm PT
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Hey Rox,
Do you know that Bob D'A and BVB are not the same person?
Prod.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Feb 21, 2012 - 12:52pm PT
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Rokjox said: "F-O BVB, you ain't got sh#t to talk."
Hold on just a damned min. Rok - as he indicated above, Bob'D is Bob Dantonio and says he's never been in a car with you. BVB is Bob Van Belle.
Step away from the bong sir:-)
Locker style edit: Prod and I posted the same-same at the same time.
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Lennox
climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
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Feb 21, 2012 - 12:53pm PT
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I posted this a few times in the past when some people got fired up about the need for a moderator, which I disagreed with.
Chris built this virtual deli. Most people come sit at the tables, get drunk, chat, argue, and occasionally buy one of his sandwiches.
Some people come to the deli just for the world-famous sandwiches, but they get really peeved that so many tables are filled with people that yak endlessly about things other than sandwiches. Even though there is an endless supply of tables, even though they don't have to sit and listen to the others, and even though they are free to talk about sandwiches as much as they want--with only the occasional and minor interruption--to them it just doesn't seem right. They say things like, "how dare they, this place is about sandwiches, dammit!" and "this is a travesty, there oughta be a law". They desperately desire that the guy at the other table, who used to be a master sandwich maker, would confide in them all the mysterious sandwich making arcana they so desperately crave, but alas it is not to be, he only speaks of fishsticks, fudgesickles and the Atkin's diet.
Meanwhile, Chris--who says things like, "I just wanna give back to the sanwich eatin' comminunitty, cuz ya know, gee whiz, aw shucks, sanwich eatin' has given so much to me,"--is out as much as possible eating, eating, eating the sandwiches of the world--research he calls it--while at the same time buying property like crazy in the red-hot Tahoe market, when of a sudden he gets a call from the deli manager. It turns out the suggestion box has had a few impassioned complaints about people who wilfully refuse to talk about sandwiches.
Chris must make an appearance, because these are the dorks who buy three sandwiches: one to eat now, one to eat later, and one to be kept cryogenically frozen at home and displayed with reverence to all who visit.
But Chris must proceed carefully if he is to continue his "research" and maintain his portentous property portfolio; on the one hand he must calm the minority dweebs, but on the other hand he cannot be too vociferous lest he drive off the masses that, while definitely less sandwichcentric, actually do buy more sandwiches, all tolled, than their bumbly brethren.
As usual Chris manages, with his endearing Richie Cunninghamesque charm to bring peace to the deli, and one and all proclaim that C-Mac is our "Sandwich Hero".
But the problem being dealt with now at CMac's deli isn't that some talk about things other than sandwiches and others wish everyone would only be allowed to talk about sandwiches--just look at the variety of sandwich and non-sandwich tables that everyone is still free to sit in on or not.
The problem is that some people have been going around from table to table shitting on all the benches, spitting in the faces of the others at the tables and incessantly yelling ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! at the top of their lungs.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 21, 2012 - 12:58pm PT
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Rox wrote: I will put my life and my family up against yours any day. I got nothing to be ashamed of.
You really are a nut job. You have no idea who you are talking too.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 21, 2012 - 01:16pm PT
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LEB's last post:
a fitting final goodbye
Feb 20, 2012 - 08:59pm PT
I will catch everyone tomorrow - I am turning in early tonight. It was my day off and I have not felt very well all day. Passed on a desert hike and now I am off to bed early.
nighty night
maybe feed the bunnies tomorrow!
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 21, 2012 - 01:16pm PT
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I just logged in and read this thread for the first time, and note with interest that Rox has been ranting incessently about me. Uh, wtf, over?
Did I miss something? Besides LEB getting handed her hat, I mean?
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 21, 2012 - 01:21pm PT
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Ha ha this thread is becoming another classic bitchfest.
BVB lets go free solo your VanBellidrone down by Roadside attraction..
Meet me at the base and don't be late.
As Russ and Shipley used too say .... :-)
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 21, 2012 - 01:33pm PT
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Rox wrote: No particular complaint with you, it was mistaken identity brought on by endless numbers of avatars and a surfeit of Bobs in the world.
How do you make it through each day??
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 21, 2012 - 01:34pm PT
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DMT wrote: Something about your days as the Philadelphia Flyer, lol.
DMT
Great times back then in the Gunks. :-)
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 21, 2012 - 01:34pm PT
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No prob, Rox. There are so many of us Bob's out here it's unmanagable. I'm one hell of a lot better looking than Bobby D, though!
As for leb, well, I guess she won't have that Old Washed-up Sparkle Jockey bvb to kick around anymore...
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Feb 21, 2012 - 01:40pm PT
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Roxjox - I KNOW the importance of AA to the people who cannot control their drinking and I did it ON PURPOSE.
Why shouldn't I have been stripped of my colors and sent packing instead of her?
You maybe should have been. But probably weren't because you didn't have the ability to inflict the damage LEB did.
Or maybe you do. Time will tell.
Let me say - I read most every post Lois ever made(except on the threads I don't go on, of course). I found them excruciatingly painful at the start(when she had poor grammar, and was airheaded). I WAS mean to that person back then. But then I realized I was doing just what some people on rc.com were doing to me - joining in a ganging up beat down. I decided to not do that anymore, and so I didn't.
I did think some people were VERY beyond the pale in hatred toward her. I haven't any respect for those persons, for that behavior.
I have mixed feeling as to whether the LEB was a troll personna of several people. I wish, now, that I HAD taken the time to meet her in person when I was traveling through AZlast winter. Then I would know.
If LEB is a single person, it is a shame that they couldn't find a way to turn around the signal to noise ratio. Apparently the medical advice to some was very appreciated and apparently good information. But...there are other nurses/docs here, who do help out when called upon(though usually more careful about crossing professional boundary lines).
If LEB IS a mix of several people - then those people are really f*#ked up. There's no other word for it. And I say that in a general sense, from the level of malaise brought to this site over the years.
As it pertained to me, in the sobriety thread, it was not really skin off my nose. As someone said - I can take care of myself. But that place is a place where people who could be ONE DRINK away from catastrophe. Catastrophe not only for themselves, but for others who are in their lives or may cross their paths. You might think "F*#k the f*#king alcoholic" - fine. Within your rights. But we active alcoholics have the capacity to cause a lot of collateral damage.
Who KNOWS if the ruin of such a thread can the capacity to be the fulcrum on a lever that switches a situation from living to dead for some person - the alcoholic or someone related - their child, their lover, some bystander going about their business....
I can tell you that I have had someone come to me, years after the fact, and tell me that a few words I had said - A FEW WORDS! - were the DIRECT link that switched them from a plan of suicide to a plan of life.
Words I barely recall, words whose power I was completely oblivious to. The sobriety thread has similar power.
And yes, negative words, too, carry the power to destroy. Why not live our lives with an awareness that every word we make, every action we take, has such power. Power to uplift, power to take down. We can not know if our words/actions will have that life, or if they will lay fallow. That is the beauty of life. We have ALL power, yet we have no ability to control that power - no matter HOW much we think we do!
Why would we choose to wield a sword of destruction, when instead we can hold a bouquet of hopeful blossoms? Why would we CHOOSE that?
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Gene
climber
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Feb 21, 2012 - 01:50pm PT
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Happie is my hero!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 21, 2012 - 02:04pm PT
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just checking to see if Rox has been offed yet, though I really do agree with his first post on this thread.
Very nice words Terrie! Good luck, hope you're climbing today. I am.
You guys really think someone could make up those consistent idiosyncrasies that get under so many of your skin?
Maybe being herself, Is the ultimate troll
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Feb 21, 2012 - 02:05pm PT
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well said happie!
problem is rox probably still won't understand. CMac is a Kalifornian and so.... blinders.
this was most likely a one person job - cmac. he probably got tired of the noise ration (100%). whine and bit all y'alls want but half of you seem to be hacking away at the "reason" she got the axe. his site - his call.
Nature/Jaybro 2012
Endorsed by Hanuman
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 21, 2012 - 02:06pm PT
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Hey hey we're the Monkeys!
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 21, 2012 - 02:09pm PT
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Thanks Happi!
The moment I let go of it
Was the moment I got more than I could handle
The moment I jumped off of it
Was the moment I touched down.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 21, 2012 - 02:10pm PT
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Hanuman would never ever endorse any of this stupid bullsh!t here .....
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 21, 2012 - 02:13pm PT
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Happie wrote: If LEB IS a mix of several people - then those people are really f*#ked up. There's no other word for it. And I say that in a general sense, from the level of malaise brought to this site over the years.
Great post happie and I agree 100 percent your statement above. Wonder if "they" will ever come clean.
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bergbryce
Mountain climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Feb 21, 2012 - 02:14pm PT
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I want Roxy banned next.
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Feb 21, 2012 - 02:15pm PT
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But that place is a place where people who could be ONE DRINK away from catastrophe.
The internet is a bad place for anyone one drink away from catastrophe. It's bad enough for people without issues.
I'll have to go read that thread and see what LEB did to get banned. This drama of people getting banned is sort of new here and really quite strange and a little sad. LEB seemed to make long winded posts that moved the focus onto her a little bit but other people seem much more deserving of expulsion if this is going to be an exclusive club from now on.
If I get tossed out, I'll have nothing to do at work all day except read posts at rockclimbing.com. That will be fun.
Dave
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Gary
climber
That Long Black Cloud Is Coming Down
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Feb 21, 2012 - 02:24pm PT
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happie, best of luck to you.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Feb 21, 2012 - 02:25pm PT
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just checking to see if Rox has been offed yet, though I really do agree with his first post on this thread.
I agree with Roxjox and Jaybro.
Also I think that Lois NAILED it in her first couple or so of posts, before everyone piled onto her and she got defensive.
"The truth? You can't handle the truth!"
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 21, 2012 - 02:27pm PT
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oh happy day
oh happy day ay
when jesus comes,
what?
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Feb 21, 2012 - 02:28pm PT
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I think that Lois NAILED it
"she" has nailed a number of things.
lol
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Prod
Trad climber
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Feb 21, 2012 - 02:29pm PT
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I am sure you ain't the only one.
I just wish all of your posts were as short as the one quoted above.
Prod.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Feb 21, 2012 - 02:34pm PT
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I just wish all of your posts were as short as the one quoted above
Amen to that!
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 21, 2012 - 02:54pm PT
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Coz wrote: I will not reveal my source, but I have talked with LEB, he is a man, and very smart.
That has been at the heart of "Lois" from the start with me. I showed "it" little respect because of "it" total disregard for being honest.
Coz...same at you. :-)
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Feb 21, 2012 - 02:56pm PT
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If LEB was a fake the person behind it all is super creepy. Like serial killer creepy.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 21, 2012 - 02:57pm PT
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Coz wrote: Come on Jaybro you're smarter than this....
So Jay's sister is really a man. Family issues. LOL
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apogee
climber
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Feb 21, 2012 - 03:05pm PT
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Boy, that's one mystery I'd looove to know the answer to...
If Lois really was a spoof avatar done by a guy, that just adds a whooole lot of creepiness.
All of those damn posts...thousands of them...for years...what kind of person has the time to do that?
Bleh.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 21, 2012 - 03:14pm PT
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Coz, are you sure the "man" was not a 15-year-old boy with a porn addiction?
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Let us observe a moment of silence. Or not.
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Gene
climber
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Feb 21, 2012 - 03:20pm PT
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BVB,
Dab!
g
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YoungGun
climber
North
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Feb 21, 2012 - 03:29pm PT
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Monopolizing the conversation = bannable offense.
Being an as#@&%e = human.
That's why LEB is gone and Roxy is still here. And personally, I hope Roxy stays. We can't get rid of everyone who happens to be provocative.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 21, 2012 - 03:34pm PT
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Yeah, sure thing Scott! Now what, exactly are you smoking?
Did you talk to one of the fake LEB's?
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TwistedCrank
climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
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Feb 21, 2012 - 03:39pm PT
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LEB is the real deal. On another thread there are pictures of her, um, muff to prove it.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 21, 2012 - 03:45pm PT
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Jay wrote: Yeah, sure thing Scott! Now what, exactly are you smoking?
Did you talk to one of the fake LEB's?
I tend to believe Scott.
Was Lois your sister?
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Feb 21, 2012 - 03:46pm PT
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Well, I just received a personal email from a person claiming to be Lois.
I HAD had an email interaction with her in the past, though I cannot locate those emails now. So, it is possible my email address was in her records but...
I have 2 emails from this person in my archives. The email addresses do not match exactly, which is - strange. They are both via the same dot com, but one is leb@ and the other is leb50@.
I don't know why a person would change an addy from the same provider, but maybe they would. The website is "temporarily not available, but with google search, and entering the person's name, there is a match.
I don't know what to make of it. I would really- REALLY - like to believe that the person is a real person and who they said they are.
Because if it is a f*#king man, or men, trolling, - it is very, very bad. I have PTSD. I spent the first 18 years of my life having to protect myself in nearly all situations from being stalked and attacked. Just the THOUGHT, right now, of somebody f*#king with my head(sending me a note which seems very sincere) like this is causing my body actual physical pain, and making it emotionally hard to function. I am sitting in the library right now, and I want to curl up in a ball and scream my head off.
I am very, very, tired. I have been working for years on projects that, in the end, probably will not support me. I have just had the man I think the world of tell me he has found a girlfriend and has moved in with her and her child, seemingly quite abrubtly. Less than 2 months ago I thought he was coming here to climb and travel with me for some months. I can't/won't tell my family of my pain because they tell me either I am better of single, or some imply that I am a closet lesbian and should come out. I don't know if my living situation on the east is coming through yet, and that means I do not know if I have a home.
I am TIRED. If you are a troll - stop. Just. Stop.
I am going to go under the assumption, unless someone can tell me with definitive proof otherwise, that Lois is who she said she is. I am going to assume, that if that is so, she is reading this thread and will understand that this is my acknowledgement of the email sent me. I can not respond to it directly. The thought - just the thought - that it is some sickly, perverted man is just TOO much. But in that email the person said they felt bad if they harmed me - and - I am so f*#king tired right now... It did not harm me. But it all had the potential to harm others, and partly because of the posts made surrounding those posts. But - if you really are who you are, and you really do want to help people - a suggestion would be to actually REALLY read the things they are writing and respond to that, instead of the emotions their words bring up about your self.
And for the person who said the internet is no place for an alcoholic in trouble - bull sh#t. Clueless. There are resources online that can be the connecting force between drinking and sobriety. There are recovery forums that are safe, sane, places. There are people - real recovering alcoholics - who read the Sobriety thread and ask you to call them on the phone(which happened to me the other night). You are not an alcoholic - you know not of what you speak.
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jstan
climber
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Feb 21, 2012 - 03:48pm PT
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I swear. The pea under this cushion is driving me nuts.
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apogee
climber
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Feb 21, 2012 - 03:54pm PT
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Ever check out Lois's FB page? She likes Border Collies. Kinda looks like DT's pup. Hmm.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:00pm PT
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I will not be responding to ANY emails from people here on Supertopo being sent via the PM system at this time.
I just received another one - it seems to be innocuous, and someone simply relaying information. It seems Lois emailed a few people last night, with some words of that she was genuinely concerned about me.
I acknowledge the email just sent from a ST member. But please understand I can not, will not respond to emails from people I do not know in real life right now.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:02pm PT
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Jstan:
I swear. The pea under this cushion is driving me nuts.
LOL. I think this is going to go WAY over the heads of most of the people here.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:09pm PT
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Because if it is a f*#king man, or men, trolling, - it is very, very bad. I have PTSD. I spent the first 18 years of my life having to protect myself in nearly all situations from being stalked and attacked. Just the THOUGHT, right now, of somebody f*#king with my head(sending me a note which seems very sincere) like this is causing my body actual physical pain, and making it emotionally hard to function. I am sitting in the library right now, and I want to curl up in a ball and scream my head off.
Relax.
LEB is a real person and is just as she describes herself here.
I have been in contact with her for years.
Those that claim otherwise (especially those that claim that they are SURE) are either paranoid and delusional, or they are having fun at your expense.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:09pm PT
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And for the person who said the internet is no place for an alcoholic in trouble - bull sh#t. Clueless.
ironically, LEB is getting crap for her non-climbing posts and yet is alright to have st's very own AA thread.
in real life one frequently does not get to choose which a-holes you have to deal with.....whether it is bosses/employees/whatever. but for some reason on this site people do not have the self restraint to make their own choice NOT to read or respond to LEB. who has the problem there? LEB? i dont think so. frankly, i thought a lot of her stuff was crap and i really dont care whether she was banned or not.
what is mostly disturbing is the recent trend on this site to cull out those with differing opinions and ganging up on those posters like cliques in high school. but what can you expect from a bunch of effed up people who spend most of thier life on the internet when they should really be out living.
get it happi? the freinds/loves/whatever you find on the internet are as hit and miss as it is in real life, but you wont know it unless you actually go for it in real life. sorry for being so blunt but thats how it is.
edit:
make my day punk, ban me...
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:12pm PT
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yep,
RJ gets the boot. who is next? bets anyone? come on locker post something up with big blue, test the waters!
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:12pm PT
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And for the person who said the internet is no place for an alcoholic in trouble - bull sh#t. Clueless.
It was mostly in jest as a way of condemning the amount of crap on ST threads.
Obviously, a non-ST forum would be a fine place for anyone. Model railroading forums are quite civil.
Here, it's possible to get physical pain from other peoples posts or actions as you stated yourself. Being HERE doesn't seem like a good idea for anyone who is at the edge of a steep emotional cliff.
Or is the physical pain you are experiencing because of the mere thought of Lois being a fake just fine for anyone regardless of their emotional state?
Kayakers and Model Railroaders don't spew anywhere near the amount of hate that is seen on ST. They welcome outsiders. They have no fake avatars. They don't post hand-made porn pictures of people who they don't like.
It seems like LEB didn't post too much hatred but some of her posts were a little creepy/stalker-like. They seemed to connect way to much with people as if there were friends or enemies and not just anonymous words. Forming a strong bond with a name and some posts on the internet is weird.
Dave
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:15pm PT
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cull out those with differing opinions
HahahaLOLOLOL111!!!!1
You mean like Skipt the right winger and Rox, the left winger? Yes they DID have differing opinions didn't they?
Or perhaps you meant Fort Mental and LEB? They too had differing opinions.
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apogee
climber
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:17pm PT
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Holy shite...Rox did get the boot!
This is getting spooky.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:18pm PT
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This is getting funny...Member profile information for Rokjox is shown below. This member's account has been deactivated.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:18pm PT
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hey there say, happgrrl... say,i just jumped in here, as the i noticed post title, etc...
i read what you wrote just a few minutes ago, or so, and i wanted to send encouragment, as to how you felt, etc...
so i just sent you can email from supertopo, :(
ooops... just wanted to give a hug...
oh my...
hope i was not out of line... i really do not know much of what is going on, i just saw what you posted, as of recent...
god bless... will go back to my chores, now...
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:18pm PT
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Rokjox has also been BOOTED...
IMO a real loss. I always read his posts all the way through and it was always worth it. I always got something out of them, even when I didn't agree with him (which was often). He was a good writer and his posts were often challenging and thought-provoking.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:19pm PT
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bets on who is next?
elcap, the point is that each and every one of them were different than the main stream and were the type to be gang banged. i ought to know, i gave LEB/fatty and RJ plenty of grief.
this site is undergoing a sanitization process. good thing that locker always posts clean pics of big blue!
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Prod
Trad climber
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:20pm PT
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You thought I was lying???...
Go figure!
Maybe C-Mac should boot people who do business on this site and don't follow through? WHERE ARE MY SHOES MAN!!!!
Prod.
EDIT Note to any prospective clients of Locker. I do have my shoes, he did do a great job, and I do recommend him. Now where are my damn shoes Locker.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:21pm PT
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Strange things happen. To me it looked like Rokjox did all he could do to be taken off. There are times when I start wondering why people do what they do.
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apogee
climber
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:21pm PT
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It's kinda like Blair Witch or sumthin...a bunch of yakkin' chickens wandering around, then all of a sudden....*poof!* One of them disappears.
(Not calling Rox a 'poof', btw.)
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apogee
climber
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:22pm PT
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"bets on who is next?"
My money's on bluering, but only if we can get him all riled up properly.
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YoungGun
climber
North
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:22pm PT
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This place is going to be boring and sterile pretty soon...
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:23pm PT
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in rokjox's case, the big bad wolf prolly got to him...
it is a loss even though i am sure at one time i was his least favorite poster.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:24pm PT
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This place is going to be boring and sterile pretty soon...
hey, we can always get our kicks bout whether a route takes 2 #3 cams or 3. pretty damn exciting stuff!
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:25pm PT
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Chris gave fair warning a week ago, and showed he meant it. He could then have suspended LEB and RJ, in addition to FatTrad, FortMental, skipt etc, for much the same reasons, but gave them a chance.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:26pm PT
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Chris Mac is doing a much needed cleaning. Do you want it to be a sh#t hole or do just get rid of the sh#t?
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Gary
climber
That Long Black Cloud Is Coming Down
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:26pm PT
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RJ wanted to get booted, judging from his recent posts.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:28pm PT
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RJ wanted to get booted, judging from his recent posts.
i read his recent posts and they were tame.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:37pm PT
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perhaps i am too old school. but if you end up relying on a climbing forum to help keep you sober then you have a lot worse problems than being an alky. what rox said on that thread was the truth (as he saw it). whether or not people want to hear that truth or not is their problem.
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YoungGun
climber
North
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:38pm PT
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All he really said in the sobriety thread was that some people are maybe too focused on drinking as a problem, when the real solution to the drinking is the elimination of other problems. Not exactly sensitive, but this is the kind of question any alcoholic is going to have to answer if they want to be successful. Doesn't deserve banning IMHO.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:40pm PT
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I read his posts on the sobriety thread and agreed with some of what he said.
Does that make me a bad person?
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:42pm PT
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yes GC. if you think like a banned person then you had better keep that to yourself otherwise you get get whacked.
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bergbryce
Mountain climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:45pm PT
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Alcoholism is a life and death situation and that thread has been nothing but informative and supportive to a lot of people here at ST. It's a one of a kind.
Imagine if it were a thread about living and dealing with cancer. Would you feel the same way then?
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:48pm PT
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have the feeling it is not those posts, per se, that got him sh#t-canned, but his outright admission that getting canned was his objective. It is likely, from his MO, he would simply have kept upping the ante, not just in that thread, but in others.
He liked pushing buttons, got a thrill from it. Many do. It is a strange way of interacting with others.
Remember, CMAC said in his video that he would consider allowing people back if they were willing to stop agitating to a point that was f*#king up the experience for the majority.
The ones who are saying this is censorship, people are being babies, and such.. I am pretty sure the collective of all those doesn't come near the majority. So - while the opinion is valid, it is just that - an opinion.
The formula is pretty evident - Act like an ass, agitate to a point people are going to email CMac about it, and likely you will get canned.
Remember, people, that when we freak out and cause this consternation on the site, at this time, we really are putting CMac out. I don't think he WANTS to friggin' police this place. He's said that outright. He made a point when the Faty/Skipt thing went down, and probably expected we were bright enough to understand that point. Probably did not think it would cascade into people gunning for deactivation(that sounds so cold-war era!)
If we don't give a crap about anyone on this place, at least can't we be considerate of the host? Let's not put him in this position to have to make these calls.
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YoungGun
climber
North
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:53pm PT
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This place is turning into one giant church group AA meeting for people who can't deal with reality...
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:54pm PT
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Alcoholism is a life and death situation and that thread has been nothing but informative and supportive to a lot of people here at ST. It's a one of a kind.
Imagine if it were a thread about living and dealing with cancer. Would you feel the same way then?
i know more than i care to about the topic at hand.
and yet i still dont think that RJ dais anything bad. in fact, for him, it was on the nice side.
but let me reiterate. if you are on that thread looking for help to stay sober then you have more severe problems than just that.
edit:
exactly youngun. but now you too are on "the list"
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Feb 21, 2012 - 05:13pm PT
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Seemed like RJ's posting of every random, wacky thought that came into his mind was becoming (or has been) a rather odd addiction.
Perhaps getting banned will give him more time to get out of the house and do something more productive and hopefully more entertaining than incessant, usually obnoxious posting.
On the other hand, I probably got more amusement out of at least some of his posts than I do out of random trip reports (climbing is great, including the mundane type that I and many of us do, but is reading about other people's mundane climbing great?). I suspect I'm not alone, but we're sort of a silent majority. CMac may want to get rid of us and that's his right, but careful what you wish for . . .
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Feb 21, 2012 - 05:15pm PT
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I suspect I'm not alone, but we're sort of a silent majority. CMac may want to get rid of us and that's his right, but careful what you wish for . . .
+1
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Feb 21, 2012 - 05:17pm PT
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I knew it was over for rox when that wolf crossed the border and entered California. The blending of his rant topics into a single event was sure to remove whatever restraint he may have had.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Feb 21, 2012 - 05:24pm PT
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Looks like LEB may have been self immolation. All the posts are gone too by a cursory look.
I've always thought the reactions to LEB were worse than the cause. Then again, I never read the posts and avoided engaging in banter, except once.
Rox is probably just in purgatory. He could probably make amends and buy $50 worth of guide books and take a week off.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Feb 21, 2012 - 05:43pm PT
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so far its been a number of posters banned.
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Gene
climber
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Feb 21, 2012 - 05:57pm PT
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If the Climber's Forum can save one life or keep one of our brother/sister climbers on the road to recovery, Cmac's playground is a great success.
g
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Feb 21, 2012 - 06:05pm PT
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If the Climber's Forum can save one life or keep one of our brother/sister climbers on the road to recovery, Cmac's playground is a great success.
Saving one life is easy. You could do a police search of every single house in the city and find something that would save one life. You could tie someone up for their entire life and that might keep them from an early death. At what cost?
I think that far too much simplistic thinking goes on here to have a rational discussion about any topic, be it alcohol, automobiles, depression, or climbing. Any time someone tries to post an opinion that takes into account more than one complex idea, they are reamed a new one.
Success in a discussion forum should be measured in the overall increase in knowledge and wisdom of the community. That is a much more critical measuring stick than how the forum might affect one person who was doomed in the first place.
Dave
P.S. I should edit this to say that the climbing threads on topics like bolting or knots are actually much more productive than the rest of the topics. It's still hard to present any unusual viewpoint in the climbing threads but climbers seem to know they don't know everything about climbing, event though they don't recognize how little they know about politics and religion.
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Gene
climber
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Feb 21, 2012 - 06:13pm PT
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Success in a discussion forum should be measured in the overall increase in knowledge and wisdom of the community.
I couldn't agree more!
g
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 21, 2012 - 06:14pm PT
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WTF Rocky got banned now too?
WTF did he do now?
WTF is happening in this place?
Unholy smokes !!!!!
edit: Ah ... he called Chris McNamara an insane person. Is this why?
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Feb 21, 2012 - 06:23pm PT
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I see a major business opportunity for my new climbing website: "Geriatric Topo!"
The First Rule of Geriatric Topo: you DON'T TALK about Geriatric Topo!
The Second Rule of Geriatric Topo: Remember the first Rule!
All will be welcome; the deranged, the foul-mouthed, the mentally ill, and yes---even Lois, Skipt, Fattrad, and Aleister Crowley. Might as well even invite Dr.F!
All jesting aside: it will be intersting, disgusting, obnoxious, repulsive, but most of all.......
Scroll....
Scroll.....
POPULAR!
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 21, 2012 - 06:32pm PT
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Bummer Rocky is gone.
Everyone is gone.
This place is now way homo .......
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Feb 21, 2012 - 06:51pm PT
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I'm happy about this
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Feb 21, 2012 - 06:52pm PT
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Roxx is GONE??
Is there a list of the Dead??
What's happening, is CMc getting ready to sell this site to Clear Channel?
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Feb 21, 2012 - 06:59pm PT
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LEB fit perfectly, and was the sanest person on the Site. You can't possibly call CMcN SANE can you? He throws his body, over and over again off of CLIFFS using a largely homemade rig that nobody would EVER call safe. No matter who makes his suit, its a cluge of judgement, luck, imagination and ignorance. Along with a disreguard for his own life.
something tells me this is what got rox booted.
amongst everything else
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Feb 21, 2012 - 07:06pm PT
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Let's not take it out of context:
Not a chance. She was as she posted. A bit of a dork like most of us.
The ultimate equality of us all is ignored. Our singular commonality is not our climbing, its our posting. We, every one, are drawn to posting, to words in a row, and THAT is more what binds us than climbing. Very few of us actually get together with EACH OTHER and climb, we ALL gather "here" and type like hell into keyboards. That IS OUR COMMON LINK, not climbing. Climbing is just the Granfalloon we base our interaction around. Our subject might as well be ice cream or cars.
The truth behind our personalities is that we are so closely related its like Incest Manifest. The draw to typing is overwhelming for all the constant, high volume posters. Quite a niumber here are not actually climbers any more, we're cripples; crippled by age, by injury, by disease, by our intellects or our emotions. THAT is why ever so many, when they post a picture, look like our own grandfathers. Those who are climbing, skiing, working don't have the energy, the time, the inclination to post here, who cares about the website if you ain't rained in.
((I am rained in today, look at the weather report. Rain, and 50 mph winds soon.))
We ARE brothers from other mothers, its in our posts. As much as I hate some of you and like others, I know NO-ONE any longer, and yet its the familiar family and watching TV has even less draw than fighting and arguing.
But to pretend that some of us are better than the other posters because we CLIMB, thats complete wish fulfillment. Climbers don't much impress anybody but other climbers. The vast masses think we are self damaging freaks, without common sense. That our "sport" is worthless, that we are largely unsuccessful suicides that have yet to become competant enough to either live within normal society or die.
And they are right. It is always the masses that define insanity, chart the normal and legislate the permissable. We, everyone of us, is patently, obviously and clearly, demonstrably insane.
LEB fit perfectly, and was the sanest person on the Site. You can't possibly call CMcN SANE can you? He throws his body, over and over again off of CLIFFS using a largely homemade rig that nobody would EVER call safe. No matter who makes his suit, its a cluge of judgement, luck, imagination and ignorance. Along with a disreguard for his own life.
Everyone of us used to fit that pattern, as climbers. We made our o0wn gear, we made the rules and we tried to live long enough to quit.
I don't think the sport climbers fit the old mold at all. They buy everything, they bolt the sh#t out of everything, and they eliminate the danger as much as possible. MAXI_PADS?? We never saw the need.
Thats not how all the rest of us did it, BITD.
We are insane. Always have been, we built the sport on insanity. Its no surprise we can't get along,
WE are the Insane.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Feb 21, 2012 - 07:07pm PT
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Now I wish I could read what Riley posted!
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad surfing the galactic plane
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Feb 21, 2012 - 07:16pm PT
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"This place is now way homo ......."
ROTFLMAO!!!
best post in months!!
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Feb 21, 2012 - 07:22pm PT
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Early RJ post on this thread
This is not a house of celebration, its time for a wake. I f Fatty deserved a wake (and he did.) so does LEB. We do not gain especiall ywhen a harmless annoyance is shunned from our little cliquish assemblage. What harm did she really create, once she stopped posting on the climbing threads?
LEB is banned?
WTF???
LEB? She was definitely a pain in her earlier incarnation. Recently she's been quite lucid and actually engaging in conversations. She had some very good observations on the "best dog for taking running and skiing" thread.
So maybe she really was 2 people? or maybe she started taking Prozac.None of our business, nor CMac's business.
I don't recall her ever being really nasty to anyone. I suppose because I didn't bother to read all her posts. I also don't recall either LEB or RokJox dominating any thread for more than 1 or 2 pages.
So here's my list
weschrist
FortMental
RokJox
fattrad
Skipt
LEB
3 Socialists/Communists (by fattrad's accounting)
3 Conservative Republitards (by my counting)
I only recall 3 of them being really nasty.
At least it's equal opportunity expulsion.
Who's next?
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Feb 21, 2012 - 07:56pm PT
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the taco ain't the taco without lois and jockitch...
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Feb 21, 2012 - 08:04pm PT
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The Taco at it's best, good wholesome bull#$it. This is entertaining stuff. Slowly but surely the right wingers are dropping like flies. Can we extend this trend to the rest of the country? Let's send them all to China to bring back our jobs the "job creators" exported.
Oh Boy I got a bug too. Mostly in the chest right now.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Feb 21, 2012 - 08:18pm PT
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the taco ain't the taco without lois and jockitch...
The kibbutz is kosher!
Good for your kids too.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 21, 2012 - 08:57pm PT
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Balance has been restored to the Force.
Left to Right: Wes, LEB, Rox
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CrackAddict
Trad climber
Canoga Park, CA
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Feb 21, 2012 - 09:00pm PT
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Locker wrote:
But I can honestly say that I have NEVER been this sick...
Damn. Get well soon Locker!
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Gary
climber
That Long Black Cloud Is Coming Down
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Feb 21, 2012 - 09:08pm PT
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Locker, what color is it? Been to a doctor?
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Feb 21, 2012 - 09:11pm PT
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Hoping for Rocky back sometime.
He had fine insights often and was a fine writer. Also contributed on climbing stuff.
Lois, we have a kinda friendship and I'm sure she's fine in person, but it will be a relief not to have her distracting the conversation with stuff that she makes up with nothing behind it.
A Lois thread is like trying to climb while covered with Molasses and insects trying to eat it while you crank
Peace
Karl
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Feb 21, 2012 - 09:22pm PT
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locker-
Sounds like an infection to me. Consider getting some antibiotics.
That said, I had something like yours earlier this year and managed to get through it without meds.
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Gary
climber
That Long Black Cloud Is Coming Down
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Feb 21, 2012 - 09:24pm PT
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Jeebus, Locker, keep an eye on that fever.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Feb 21, 2012 - 09:33pm PT
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So if Lois is a guy , does that mean Locker was petting his weasle next to a tranny..? RJ
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Feb 21, 2012 - 09:39pm PT
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TGT, good one! Get well soon ya-all.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Feb 21, 2012 - 10:22pm PT
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i'm not sure which is more disturbing: that some folks here actually believe that the "lois" avatar was the identity of a genuine, biological woman, or that if leb really was was it purported to be, that it would somehow redeem that avatar.
even as a though experiment, what's the upside to the "leb is real"? 15k posts? this is an emotional disturbed and unstable individual who doesn't climb and is utterly unknown to everyone here, who serially ganks thread after thread, so for god's sake let "her" post another 15 thousand times?
at least as a troll/performance art project, one could say, "well, that post at least was funny," or "boy, he really trolled X with that one," or "i can't believe the energy required to fabricate that backstory," or "i can't believe the dedication required to put that much energy into building the off-camera apparatus to make it work," or of course, "it's at least amusing to watch serial homophobes investing so much in a virtual tranny."
believe that leb is what it claimed to be, and you give up any reason not to whack it after fifteen posts, let alone fifteen k.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Feb 21, 2012 - 10:23pm PT
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Locker
See ya later Bro!!
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 21, 2012 - 10:25pm PT
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Dr F wrote: I feel sorry for her supporters, What Lame asses!!
I agree...the "Lois" was one sick poster/poser.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Feb 21, 2012 - 10:25pm PT
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locker-
Too bad you get deep fisted. I get gently fingered by my youthful asian female doctor.
Sucks to be you.
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rincon
Trad climber
SoCal
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Feb 21, 2012 - 10:43pm PT
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I'm proud that I never posted to an LEB thread.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Feb 21, 2012 - 10:57pm PT
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How are any of you sure "Lois" never climbed?
That was the greatest troll, and you all were duped! Exposed as fools.
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Matt
Trad climber
it's all turtles, all the way dooowwwwwnn!!!!!
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Feb 21, 2012 - 11:12pm PT
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good riddance
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 21, 2012 - 11:43pm PT
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This thread is all about what everyone in it "thinks" too ...... :-)
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 21, 2012 - 11:57pm PT
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another mental speculator
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Gary
climber
That Long Black Cloud Is Coming Down
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Feb 22, 2012 - 12:01am PT
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 22, 2012 - 12:26am PT
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buy more server space or free up some space,
accumulation factor must be too high,
watch for thread archiving next?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 22, 2012 - 01:04am PT
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I wonder that Mojede wasn't booted for invading someones privacy like that.
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bergbryce
Mountain climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Feb 22, 2012 - 01:33am PT
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I attempted to read a few leb posts but each time it felt like I was reading readers digest, so I stopped.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Feb 22, 2012 - 02:33am PT
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Feb 22, 2012 - 02:56am PT
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Seriously, I do not have a dog in this fight. LEB and I tangled on a thread a few years back, but in the end there was no ill will.
Several people have noted they have had "real" conversations with her, as opposed to interweb BS. She has provided good medical input to several tacoites. I think her intent was genuine but just misunderstood.
Let's not break the taco down by who is okay and who is excluded based on political orientation. I'd prefer to put all the political threads on a separate page so the climbing and friendly threads don't keep getting pushed off the page. Seems like 3/4 of the time I log in that dumb ass WATRSW thread is on the top of the page.
That is just not right.
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Feb 22, 2012 - 02:59am PT
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Yes, Lois IS very sincere.
…much paranoia about a woman with dissimilar patterns of thought from what is accepted here.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Feb 22, 2012 - 03:10am PT
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Yes, Lois is very sincere.
…much paranoia for a woman with dissimilar patterns of thought from what is accepted here.
Not sure I understand. Care to elaborate?
Edit: Are you saying only certain thought patterns are acceptable on the forum? Or are you being cynical? Or both? For us dumb ass men that don't understand what a woman implies, can you spell out your thoughts?
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Feb 22, 2012 - 03:22am PT
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You defined things precisely with
"I think her intent was genuine but just misunderstood."
Much of Lois’ posting has been in advice-giving context (a reasonable standard for nurses). A novice or non-climber giving unsolicited advice in a climbing forum-mediated setting seems to irritate many, here.
It wouldn’t be paranoia if Lois was truly intent on despoiling ST forum's exchange of ideas and opinions.
She’s not the primary source of forum name-calling, vilification and demonizing …nor does she vulgarize the conversation, post topless pics or offensive photo manipulations of those she disagrees with. Yet, she’s been the ordained scapegoat for ST forum’s sins for years.
http://www.scapegoat.demon.co.uk/
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Feb 22, 2012 - 04:20am PT
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Simple lexical analysis contrasting posts from 2005 and today tells you pretty much everything you need to know about 'LEB'.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Feb 22, 2012 - 06:50am PT
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Like Graniteclimber and a few others, I have been in contact with LEB/Lois for several years. As far as I am concerned, she is genuine. She may drive some of us insane at times with some of her (inane?) posts, but… IMO there are/have been worse on the Taco Stand (in my, and only my, judgment).
However, if ChrisMac thinks that she may have crossed the line somewhere (I'll go read that Sobriety thread now), then in his judgment (and right) whacked her off the forum.
BTW Happie, Jennie's Korsakoff's Syndrome (due to Vitamin B1/Thiamine deficiency) was caused by long-term chronic alcohol abuse. I fear that I may be drifting down the booze road too far myself. Being a full-time carer 24/7 with little respite ain't easy, and sometimes a drink or so relaxes me. But anymore than that, which I have been doing at times (not binging though), passes the moderation point.
But we do occasionally go to AA meetings. And I agree, the internet is a very useful, and arguably powerful, place for alcoholics (both active and recovering) to find info and such.
Just to add, having more than one email address is not that uncommon. I have dpatricksawyer@gmail.com, dpatricksawyer@hotmail.com and patricksawyer@mountaineers.net (the latter is the one I registered with the Taco Stand with).
And as soon as I get www.thespis3t.com and www.patricksawyer.com up and running (they have just been home pages up to now), I'll have patrick@thespis3t.com and patrick@patricksawyer.com.
Perhaps there is a sound reason why Lois uses LEB@ and LEB50@.
EDIT: Dr F writes "I feel sorry for her supporters, What Lame asses!!"
Dr F, I am sorry you feel that way.
KLK and others, I know that 15k posts is rather absurd, but in my private correspondence with LEB, she was always helpful and considerate. Her online persona belies her real person, IMO.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Feb 22, 2012 - 06:54am PT
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This place really is turning into lord of the flies. seems from the video that the real criteria for getting the chop is to be ratted out to Cmac...
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Feb 22, 2012 - 10:01am PT
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ok... Just saw this good news...
Who wants to take a crack at all the reasons why it is best this way?
Cheers all
(Edit: Yeah.. we needed a scapegoat.... That's it.... )
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Gary
climber
That Long Black Cloud Is Coming Down
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Feb 22, 2012 - 10:24am PT
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Good, locker. Have some chicken soup.
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YoungGun
climber
North
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Feb 22, 2012 - 10:29am PT
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I survived the night and am actually finally feeling a little better...
You survived as in you didn't die of the flu, or you avoided being banned? Because if post count is any predictor of banning, you're next on the chopping block!
Yeah, chicken soup and whatever "medication" you've got in your "inhaler". You'll be fixed in no time! =)
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Feb 22, 2012 - 10:37am PT
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Just out of curiosity, who does hold the "most posts" title? I know (or at least I'm sure... okay, not being a techie, I'd imagine there is a simple way) there is an easy way to calculate that.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Feb 22, 2012 - 10:40am PT
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Locker, you've got sole brother. Get well and best wishes.
And remember, at this point in time, no chilli dishes, curries or Colt 45. Unless you want to crawl back in bed (or to the loo).
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Feb 22, 2012 - 10:49am PT
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BTW Happie, Jennie's Korsakoff's Syndrome (due to Vitamin B1/Thiamine deficiency) was caused by long-term chronic alcohol abuse.
I had been wondering about the 'care-giver' comments you have made recently, and figured I missed some place where that info was posted. Never having heard of Korsakoff's Syndrome, I had to google it.
I am very sorry, Patrick. It seems like you met that woman and had very little time together before this came down the road. Maybe the Sobriety thread can use an al-anon-esque mirror. Heaven knows there has got to be others on this site dealing with alcoholic SO's. I can see why it wouldn't really be a go, though, because of the public nature of the forum. It is one thing to out ourselves as alcoholics, but for the one in co-dependent style situations(and I don't mean that word to have the negative connotation some may associate with it), it is a bit different, since even though the focus would be on our selves, we still refer to another person, and that person does deserve to have their privacy respected. I do hope you ARE getting some emotional relief. It is good that you are recognizing that turning to the bottle for it is not a good sign.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Feb 22, 2012 - 11:06am PT
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One of the things that set (note, use of the PAST TENSE) the Taco Stand apart from other more "mundane" websites was the complete lask of censorship. It's one thing to have a feisty disagreement with someone, but calling for that person's banishment is flat-out wrong! I've disagreed with many posters here, but if they go over "my line," I simply use the easiest weapon on them...and that's to IGNORE THEM.
With many of those with whom I've disagreed "on line" and subsequently meeting them in person---there has never been any lingering animosity among this "band of brothers (and sisters)." I've disagreed with Fattrad, LEB, Dr.F, Aleister Crowley (and all of his other internet personae), and others; but that never stopped me from lifting a cold one with any of them.
I'm simply saying that the crybabies need to GROW UP!
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Feb 22, 2012 - 11:14am PT
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Happie, Jen doesn't mind me talking about it, as I have run it by her several times and even read to her some of the posts that I put up on the Taco Stand regarding the subject.
If I ever thought I was crossing a privacy line concerning her medical condition, I would have stopped.
Jennie spent two months in St Vincent's Hospital after she went comatose and in serious condition. She couldn't walk for about three weeks, but the physio helped with that eventually, and her team of doctors were excellent as have her GPs (general practitioners, same as family practitioners) have been great. Likewise the local public health nurse, John.
The only respite I get is an agency carer (Linda, excellent and professional) on Wednesdays from 12-3, that the HSE (health board) provides. Jennie falls between two stools, she is not physically disabled (though one of my cousins, Ann, who is a PsyD in LA, cannot understand why dementia is not considered a disability here in Ireland) nor is she 65 or over, so there is very little she is entitled to, for example a day center once a week or so, to get her out and me some respite. I do take her out every day and have had several trips around Ireland in the past months.
Six Mondays ago, John (PHN) recognized that I was burning out after 18 months {I am registered with the Carers Association (CA), and one of their booklets is "Who Cares For The Carer?"}. So he organized a meeting with himself, his supervisor (another PHN), a social worker, Anita (one of her GPs), and a psychologist to see what was the best way forward.
As an aside, Jen only has two options... home care with me (which is the best), or state care, which would cost the State at least four times more than the Carers Allowance (finally came through after eight months) I receive weekly. The CA estimates that home carers like myself save the taxpayer over €3.2bn a year.
The meeting was a good one and some positive things came out of it, for example another three hours of a carer (Linda) a week and one-day at a local day center (of which we have to pay for, but she needs outside interaction, especially with other women). She also takes ballet classes on Saturdays (she had her honors in Ballet from the Royal Academy of Dance in London back in the early 1970s). Plus Aqua Aerobics several days a week at the gym/fitness centre and such.
I am trying my best, and everyone says I am doing that. I just wish I'd gotten her off the bottle several years ago when we met.
BTW, Lois has given me some good advice via email on this issue, Korsakoff's etc...
Happie I would have emailed you this but you mentioned earlier that you were not taking emails, so hence this long post.
So there you have the background. As Anita (GP) says, if alcohol was discovered today, it would be a Class A drug like heroin and crack and illegal (it is a neurotoxin), but as Ian (my GP) puts it, it is ingrained in our culture for thousands of years.
Best of wishes to you and all Supertopians.
Cheers
Patrick
EDIT
Locker perhaps that would be a better thread for my last post, but this is the thread I chose to put it on. I hope that does not put your nose out of joint, and hey speaking of joints, lay off the lungs until you get well, just a piece of non-professional medical advice. And as far as noses go, stay away from mirrors and razor blades. :)
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Feb 22, 2012 - 11:27am PT
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Yeah Locker, The World Health Organization (WHO) came out with a report towards the end of last year. It looked at 30 substances that are abused. It had two categories: the first, the harm the substance does to an individual, and secondly the harm to society.
Alcohol came in number one in both categories. (Magic mushroom came in 30th and marijuana at 29, in both categories).
Still, I like my glass of red wine with my food. Just have to, just have to, have to, arrghhh, stop drinking a bottle a night (unfortunately, almost true).
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Feb 22, 2012 - 11:48am PT
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Hi, my name is not LEB, but I TOLD you no puff and no spicy foods - 100º is not that bad over a short term (unless you have some underlying medical condition), it just makes you feel like sh*t.
Remember starve a fever, feed a cold. As I understand it, that axiom comes from centuries ago where they figured if you were hot (fever) stop giving you fuel (food), whereas if you were cold, you need food as a fuel to warm you up. I don't know how true that 'explanation' is, but it sort of makes sense.
Okay, I dropped out of my medical studies to climb, but I did get my EMT cert (Columbia College, Tuolumne County, 1976 and worked a bit on Tuolumne County SAR and was an alternate (never went on a 'job though, with YOSAR for a brief while). And I am a medical journalist, but no, not a med pro. Still hydration, hydration, hydration (no Locker, don't reach for the Jose Cuervo, aarrrghh).
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Feb 22, 2012 - 11:57am PT
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That poses an interesting question, do toads really fart? Hah, hah. Actually yes, as I understand it. They certainly burp. Back in the 1980s I laughed when Ronnie Raygun said that cows are responsible for much of the world's methane gas. Actually, as it now turns out, he had quite a good point. Okay back on topic.
Initially I argued with LEB and Fattrad (and even Skippy), but then somehow they grew on me (sort of like a fungus, okay just joking, sort of). It got to the point where I seldom read what they posted if I sensed it was BS, probably because I have posted BS at times, so I knew. It takes one to know one.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Feb 22, 2012 - 12:16pm PT
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One of the things that set (note, use of the PAST TENSE) the Taco Stand apart from other more "mundane" websites was the complete lask of censorship. It's one thing to have a feisty disagreement with someone, but calling for that person's banishment is flat-out wrong! I've disagreed with many posters here, but if they go over "my line," I simply use the easiest weapon on them...and that's to IGNORE THEM.
brokedownclimber,
good on you for showing some maturity. obviously lacking in those that cannot show some self restraint on their own by ignoring those that one finds offensive.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 22, 2012 - 12:50pm PT
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obviously lacking in those that cannot show some self restraint on their own by ignoring those that one finds offensive.
Hawkeye, that's a good question. And taking names and bannings and personalities and other factors out of the equation, let me pose a hypothetical: how exactly would you propose folks ignore a user who suddenly appears in a long-established thread, and starts making bizzare, offensive, or wildly off-topic remarks say, every second or third or fourth post in the thread? This may a good question for those of us left standing to consider, going into the future.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 22, 2012 - 12:53pm PT
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^^^^ VOTE 'EM OFF THE TACO! But then there should be Security Council
with veto powers composed of eKat, Neebee, Weld_It, and Werner. Done deal.
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Gary
climber
That Long Black Cloud Is Coming Down
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Feb 22, 2012 - 12:54pm PT
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Locker, I had the flu for three days a few weeks ago. My temp had gone back to normal the second day, then went back to 101.
Here's my cure: a fat carnitas burrito with as many hot chiles as you can stand. Burns that bug right out.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 22, 2012 - 01:13pm PT
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I'm not sure how I feel about these dismissals. Weschrist is a very old buddy; he and I spent year after year after year exploring and developing new bouldering areas in Utah's deep backcountry and Northern Arizona limestone. He spent a lot of time with me and my ex-wife and kids in Capitol Reef, SLC, and Flagstaff. My kids love him. He's not just a climbing partner. He is, in fact, a good family friend.
Roxjox took me under his harsh wing during my very early Valley days, taught me how to drill a proper bolt, and kept me rolling in free buds one summer. He also gave me and Watusi a greviously needed ride from Yosemite to LA when we were starving and broke -- not a nickle between us.
I've never met any of the others. But as a general rule when you meets folks IRL they are good peeps.
So, I sort of understand what site administration is trying to accomplish, but I do not know Cmac, have never met him, talked to him, sent an email to him, received an email from him, nor have I watched the video he apparently posted on site etiquette. I have never, ever, called for someone's banishment. So I'm not going to presume to second-guess him.
This is more about self-regulation, in my opinion. So my original hypothetical question, upthread, remains.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Feb 22, 2012 - 01:32pm PT
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bvb,
LEB as you know tended to "reel" peeps in. she certainly ticked me off in the past. but there is personal freedom to be had by not responding to those that you (or I) disagree with. she was only disruptive because others let her disrupt. if nobody responded to her inane posts there would be no issue.
i used to get into it with RJ all the time.
this is less about RJ/LEB/fatty, etc. than it is about what i see as indiscriminant banning. yes it is cmac's site, and his right to ban, mine to bitch about the culling of "personality" and get banned myself.
weschrist just liked to stir the pot, i rather enjoyed it myself.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Feb 22, 2012 - 01:32pm PT
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how exactly would you propose folks ignore a user who suddenly appears in a long-established thread, and starts making bizzare, offensive, or wildly off-topic remarks say, every second or third or fourth post in the thread?
That's the real problem. Some here have looked at it as a battle between differing political views (ban all the other guys but don't ban our guys), some have looked at it as a climbing vs non-climbing battle (i.e. ban all the non-climbing posters and Supertopo will instantly be better).
But it's neither of those. it's exactly what you said above. It's about how to deal with thread disruption. It's about how do you reconcile your desire to have an intelligent discussion about something of interest to you with Rokjox's right to jump into your discussion and rant endlessly about wolves. Or Kalis.
No easy solutions.
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TwistedCrank
climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
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Feb 22, 2012 - 01:53pm PT
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Everyone needs to get booted from an Internet discussion forum at least once in their life.
I mean, c'mon.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Feb 22, 2012 - 01:55pm PT
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I don't think it has anything to do with political views. The big political thread is still going strong.
It has to do with what you can contribute. I, for one, can't stand Locker's posts, because he thinks it is cool to do this:
YER GONNA DIE!!!
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 22, 2012 - 02:03pm PT
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I got banned from boldering.com once, for about a week. If anyone here knows anything about boldering.com, you will understand the magnitude of that accomplishment!
But, I've only heard one reply here, so far, that even attempts to address my original question in a head-on manner.
Off Topic: Oh yeah, with Locker's posts, I skip to "page down" to get past all that white space. nbd. But I thinks what he posts is often pretty hysterical and I wish he'd use less whitespace. It detracts from his frequently brilliant posts and photoshop hacks.
YOU HEAR THAT, LOCKER YOU STUPID MOTHERF*#KER?! CUT IT OUT!!
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 22, 2012 - 02:04pm PT
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My opinion...Couldn't stand Skip...seems about as evil as they come. Little f*#ker was like a attack dog on some of the better climbers (Donni, Long...etc) on ST and he was a liar.
LEB...her/he/it pollution level was quite high and unrelenting when it came to getting her point across at all cost. I also believe her to be a liar. Will the real Lois please stand up.
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Gary
climber
That Long Black Cloud Is Coming Down
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Feb 22, 2012 - 02:44pm PT
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my diet is miserably restrictive...
Sorry to hear that locker. You extended the life of my late, lamented Megas and for that you'll always have a special place in my heart.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Feb 22, 2012 - 02:55pm PT
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What was the question again?
how exactly would you propose folks ignore a user who suddenly appears in a long-established thread, and starts making bizzare, offensive, or wildly off-topic remarks say, every second or third or fourth post in the thread?
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johnx01
Trad climber
UK
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Feb 22, 2012 - 03:16pm PT
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As I always said LEB=DMT
-John
I kinda liked her/him/it
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 22, 2012 - 03:17pm PT
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K, coz. Duh. Good suggestion. I've just generally avoided staying abreast of site admis stuff at the two or three forums if frequent, if for no other reason to maintain the illusion that there was no site admin.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Feb 22, 2012 - 03:19pm PT
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A pet peeve of mine (and I understand it's my own issue - nothing more or less) wasn't only someone posting every second or third post, but rather when they would post two or three times in a row when a 'edit' of their last post would suffice.
So a page would look like this in terms of posting:
Avatar A
Avatar B
Avatar A
Avatar A
Avatar A
Avatar C
Avatar A
Avatar A
Avatar D
Avatar A
Avatar A
Avatar A
Avatar B
Etc.
This kept certain threads at the top or on the front page when it was generally one person who was posting.
This makes it far harder to ignore - at least for my weak brain.
Greasemonkey was awesome. Every time my firefox installed an updated version though, I would lose it.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Feb 22, 2012 - 03:22pm PT
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It worked to a great extent.
I wonder. Suppose that there is a thread in which a bunch of folks are discussing -- in a refined and dignified manner -- something important to them. Then Dingus shows up and starts taking over the thread. It's true that if I don't like what Dingus writes, I can install greasemonkey and Dingus vanishes. But the problem is still there because, as is the way of the web, half the people involved have started responding to Dingus' invasion by yelling at him, while the other half respond by getting derailed into whatever nonsense he's written. This leaves BVB and I as the only refined and dignified posters left, and we become so frustrated that he leaps off the wagon, and I leap off the bridge.
So, while greasemonkey can help, it's not the total solution.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Feb 22, 2012 - 03:30pm PT
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But the problem is still there because, as is the way of the web, half the people involved have started responding to Dingus' invasion by yelling at him, while the other half respond by getting derailed into whatever nonsense he's written. This leaves BVB and I as the only refined and dignified posters left, and we become so frustrated that he leaps off the wagon, and I leap off the bridge.
So, while greasemonkey can help, it's not the total solution.
Yep, you end up reading a whole lot of posts that don't make any sense because they are responding to someone else, while maybe responding to you.
sign me
leapingoffthetrain
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 22, 2012 - 03:37pm PT
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What Ghost said. I can't even begin to recall how many times I just threw up my hands and abandoned a thread that had been/was/could have been great giggles, not because I was hearing stuff I didn't like, but because someone has jumped in and was posting whack nonsense every other post, or four posts in a row, or every third post or whatever. Long, obtuse, off-topic posts. One after another. Endlessly. Over and over and over. Night without end. Like a bone-crushing sonic scream of unbearable white noise that stripped the flesh from your body, and sent you down a path of naked insanity clawing out your own eyes, ripping at your hair, wailing inconsolably at stark raving madness of it all.
Well, something like that. In any event, it could be a tad frustrating.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Feb 22, 2012 - 03:38pm PT
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The occasional reminders
I could use some of whatever it is you are using. There is no "occasional when it comes to LEB or Dr. F or Rockjox. When they get going, and they do most days, whichever thread they are on is now nearly impossible to follow.
And for those people who think I want these people gone because of their politics or opinions.. I say "meh". I agreed with 95 percent of Crowleys politics, just not his way of posting on a forum.
Backtojumpingofftrains
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matisse
climber
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Feb 22, 2012 - 04:08pm PT
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^^^^^^^^
what dingus said about SNR.
While not meaning to dogpile on someone who is gone, those of you who laud Lois' medical contributions-her internal medicine was fairly good, but for some other stuff she sometimes was just flat out wrong. -didn't stop her from posting up stuff she knew nothing about.
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jstan
climber
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Feb 22, 2012 - 04:20pm PT
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We are discussing how to restrain those who attempt to monopolize everyone's attention. Mind you any method of doing so, banning is one, will also degrade our environment. That said, there are options:
1. When someone does this to an objectionable degree, people can specifically draw the poster's attention to this by posting that precise objection. If we all feel this is a problem there should be no ensuing food fight.
2. A less personal way to do it is to have the mechanism installed on the site for rating individual posts. Unfortunately this would not make clear why a post has been found to be objectionable.
3. The site could be enabled to allow a quota of only N posts per 24 hours from any address, and suppression of address duplication would have to be installed. When the quota is exceeded the site might do this simply by not publishing it till the following day. For my own part I edit previous posts wherever possible for this very reason.
I am sure there are many other options. The first is harder to do, the second is very broad brush, and the third would tend to encourage discipline.
Edit:
TGT:
That option has been discussed at length and many have found it to be inadequate.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Feb 22, 2012 - 04:25pm PT
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There's also the little wheel gadget on the mouse.
Just give it a little flip and on to the next post.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Feb 22, 2012 - 05:38pm PT
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It takes a lot more than one little flip to get past one of rok's rants.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Feb 22, 2012 - 05:44pm PT
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Like a bone-crushing sonic scream of unbearable white noise that stripped the flesh from your body, and sent you down a path of naked insanity clawing out your own eyes, ripping at your hair, wailing inconsolably at stark raving madness of it all
Man, you were at that Sun Ra show in Providence too?
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Gary
climber
That Long Black Cloud Is Coming Down
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Feb 22, 2012 - 05:45pm PT
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Like a bone-crushing sonic scream of unbearable white noise that stripped the flesh from your body, and sent you down a path of naked insanity clawing out your own eyes, ripping at your hair, wailing inconsolably at stark raving madness of it all
Man, you were at that Sun Ra show in Providence too?
Now THAT'S funny!
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apogee
climber
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Feb 22, 2012 - 05:48pm PT
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"There's also the little wheel gadget on the mouse.
Just give it a little flip and on to the next post."
That's my 'greasemonkey'...that, and a little self discipline..works almost all the time, and doesn't have any software conflicts...
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Prod
Trad climber
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Feb 22, 2012 - 05:50pm PT
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A pet peeve of mine (and I understand it's my own issue - nothing more or less) wasn't only someone posting every second or third post, but rather when they would post two or three times in a row when a 'edit' of their last post would suffice.
So a page would look like this in terms of posting:
Avatar A
Avatar B
Avatar A
Avatar A
Avatar A
Avatar C
Avatar A
Avatar A
Avatar D
Avatar A
Avatar A
Avatar A
Avatar B
Etc.
I've been guilty of that...
Prod.
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Prod
Trad climber
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Feb 22, 2012 - 05:51pm PT
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You knew this was coming didn't you Crimpy?
Prod.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Feb 22, 2012 - 06:04pm PT
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bump for crimpy!
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Feb 22, 2012 - 06:17pm PT
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Prod gets a spanking next time I see him. BTW, saw you on the roof across the street today. Can't believe you didn't blow off! (87 mph winds today).
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Feb 22, 2012 - 06:19pm PT
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The problem is that a bunch of people told LEB that her opinion, and it was just an opinion, was way off base and that she was stupid.
Why bother to tell her? Why bother to post about her post at all? I don't step in crap when I see it in the street, I walk around it.
Most of my posts get ignored. I may be on a script/list or just write stupid stuff but being ignored makes me less likely to post a second time on any thread.
The really offensive types really would go away if some intelligent person didn't constantly respond to them with a "Your stupid and your mother is ugly" type of comment. It's those insulting replies that are the real damage to a thread, not the original jackass foil-hat comment that showed up first.
Dave
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jstan
climber
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Feb 22, 2012 - 06:29pm PT
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+1 on Rector's post. Non response is important.
And, Dave, I read your stuff.
John
Edit:
In my hurry to nail down a spot close to your post, I neglected to say something.
Thank you for your posting.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Feb 22, 2012 - 06:30pm PT
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+1 on Rector's post. Non response is important.
And, Dave, I read your stuff.
+1
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Feb 22, 2012 - 06:45pm PT
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The problem is that a bunch of people told Lois that her opinion, and it was just an opinion, was way off base and that she was stupid.
She'd make one post stating her opinion and ten people would gang up on her, peppering her with posts attacking her personally. And they'd say it was her fault that they were ganging up on her. And if she responded to them (and she always did) they'd just redouble their efforts.
Did you see the movie Carrie?
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Remember how the "popular" students all ganged up on Carrie because she was different and did their very best to humiliate her and make her life a living hell?
There are quite a few posters on Supertopo who made hobby out of doing this.
Or rather TRYING to do this. Because Lois didn't go apeshit like Carrie did -- she refused to let their bullying upset her or make or change her position - she'd just politely respond to them, again and again.
That drove them BATSH#T CRAZY!
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Feb 22, 2012 - 07:23pm PT
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Holy Crap! Rox is gone! Burned at the stake! it's the spanish inquisition... tread lightly folks and keep yer head on a swivel!!
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Prod
Trad climber
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Feb 22, 2012 - 07:52pm PT
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Isn't it OK to Have a Conversation on ST??
Are some people saying that conversations are not appropriate for ST?
Not even on an active Thread that Doesn't bump the other threads out?
I think its OK that we can a couple threads that we can have fun on and have Controversial Conversations.
Not to offend, I don't know you and really try to stay away from "THOSE" threads. But your avitar gives me the same feeling that I get when I see Roxjox. Sort of an "Ugh look at this blowheart". Again I don't know you ard have not read much or what you have written. So maybe I'm missing enlightenment, but I doubt it.
Take a look at your posts, in the first 3 pages you are only active in 1 climbing thread, briefly. The rest is politics.
CRIMPIE EDIT Actually in the last 200 posts, which took 10 days, you posted a total of 3 times in climbing related threrads. Twice in 1 thread, and once in another.
Do what you will, but I think you ought to take Chris's message, video, etc as a shot across the bow. Lighten up a little and at least look at a TR or 2. The folks who write those put a lot more time into those than the quick political jabs that clutter the front page.
Just my .02.
Prod.
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jstan
climber
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Feb 22, 2012 - 08:37pm PT
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Not fair Prod.
If you are going to go after someone, go after me. I post on climbing less than Crimper and post more on politics than does she. And I'll tell you why.
I am no longer interested in climbing. Not really. Honnold is frankly inspiring but his game is none of anyone else's business. I watched Ueli several times and probably saw most of his slips. In one the only thing that saved him was he had his elbow on the face. Our getting involved in what Ueli does is a travesty. That's his business. Steve's history is great but it is history.
The real travesty here is climbers, wonderful crew that they are and as they have always been, are still not focussed on the real problems that promise, in future, to keep them from climbing. They cannot even begin to raise their eyes from a perpetual study of their navels, and begin to come together.
There are few things as unimportant as whatever happens to be running through our brains- at the moment.
We have much work to do.
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Prod
Trad climber
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Feb 22, 2012 - 08:49pm PT
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Hey jstan
I was not going after him. I was telling him what I obsereved. BTW in your last 20 posts you have more on topic posts than Dr F in 200.
Prod.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Feb 22, 2012 - 09:04pm PT
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locker,
that was good!
i am still wondering where your self destruct mechanism is? (ie: big BLUE!) that should be good for a ban!
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Feb 22, 2012 - 09:11pm PT
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Where else can you discuss politics and religion?
There are Very few Opportunities outside ST, or zero for most of us.
Is that a joke?
top few hits on search:
http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/content/
http://www.debatepolitics.com/forum.php
http://www.politicsforum.org/forum/
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/index.php
http://www.big-boards.com/kw/religion/
Imagine going to one of those forums(Poster A), and wanting to know what people thought about land manager/recreational user relations. And when people said "Ummm, what? This is not a forum about that..." you replied, "Well, I know, but what do you think, anyway?"
And then one with a short fuse said "Are you stupid? This is a political forum. We don't care about that carp here. Get out!"
And then another said "Well, I think that person is sort of funny, and actually the issue IS vaguely political, though not really in the same vein as what we discuss here. I mean, some of us are land managers, and some of us are recreational users."
And then Poster A says "Yes! See? I am welcome here by some. So - do you think land managers should (whatever)? I've never owned land, but I do like going to the occasional campground. I know a land manager and he doesn't agree with me. But what do YOU think?
And so on.....
Also, I would like to have it noted that I have never emailed CMac asking for the gagging or banning of anyone, recently or otherwise.
And for those who are saying there are political and/or climbing vs non judgements going on, I think the OBVIOUS common denominator is neither of those things, but that the posters who have been deactivated have insisted on repeatedly jacking threads.
Any of us can accidentally do that, or do it in a whim and realize later we were out of line. But to knowingly do it, and when asked to stop instead ramp up? An do that behavior over and over???
Supertopo IS the best climbing forum out there, that I know of. The historical information archived here is impressive. It seems to me that the site has come to an apex - where thi sh#t can take it down, or the sh#t can get cleaned up, and the site continue on it's trajectory upward. I think it is smart of CMac to take the bull(shit) by the horns.
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Feb 22, 2012 - 09:42pm PT
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…with all fashionable respect for moral relativism, aren’t ST members in need of more concrete rules…or at least more k-k-kinda specific guidelines? These deactivations seem quite arbitrary.
Yeah, we get way beyond the tenets of common social propriety, here. The illusion of unaccountability…how to turn down that thermostat without wrecking spontaneity…
(or did the children of Israel really beg for the Ten Commandments?)
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Jorroh
climber
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Feb 22, 2012 - 09:49pm PT
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I thought that you said that you weren't a Jtree crusty Locker?.....
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 22, 2012 - 10:07pm PT
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Feeling better, Homy?
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jstan
climber
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Feb 22, 2012 - 10:17pm PT
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I'd like to say four things:
1. No one has ever won an argument on ST.
2. A notarized certificate testifying that you won an argument on ST will, with five cents, get you a five cent cup of coffee.
3. We all like to imagine someone is listening.
4. People listen, only after they have been listened to.
Edit:
Definitely! A like button!
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phylp
Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
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Feb 22, 2012 - 10:23pm PT
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Most of my posts get ignored.
Rectorsquid, what makes you think they are getting ignored?
There have been hundreds, if not thousands, of posts that I've read that I thought "good point" or "well-written" or "funny" but re-quoting the post and giving my little feedback would be tedious and extremely repetitive if multiplied by the other thousand people probably thinking the same thing.
That's why I would really like a "like" button option for each post.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 22, 2012 - 10:26pm PT
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I like that!
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Feb 22, 2012 - 10:39pm PT
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Just droppin' in to say I'm pleased Leb is melba.
And...
"You sunk my battleship!"
This is the only page of the thread I've read.
Hang loose supertopo.
Edit: that last page is the only one I've read.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Feb 22, 2012 - 10:53pm PT
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But what I really meant to say was, are you guys still going on about LEB? LEB
fattrad
RoxJox
weschrist
Skipt
FortMental
It's really about all of us and what the consequences are when CMac gets sufficiently annoyed. You will note that his only rule is he has no rules, except of course the implicit ones about pornography and cuss words. Neither of which would have any legal validity if taken to the Supreme Court.
So we're here as CMac's guests and when he's tired of someone, likely due to malcontents complaining to him, they get the axe.
It's his playpen and his business and when he's had enough it's haste la vista baby.
These deactivations seem quite arbitrary. Arbitrary indeed as CMac has never given a reason just the vague warning in his thread to "be nice kids".
As much as I thought three of the outcasts could be complete jerks (I don't dare use the a***hole word tonight) and the other three could annoy me thoroughly, I don't like seeing anyone banned.
My protest is to not click on any ads. Not to buy anymore SuperTopo products (easy enough as I've got all the books I really need) and not go to the gear reviews.
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Prod
Trad climber
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Feb 22, 2012 - 11:00pm PT
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my protest is to not click on any ads. Not to buy anymore SuperTopo products (easy enough as I've got all the books I really need) and not go to the gear reviews.
Really? Why not protest by leaving, but make sure you are dramatic about it and announce it, and read all of the you'll be missed threrads. If this was my place I'd boot you based on your above statement.
Am I wrong in thinking you just said. "I will use your service, but am not willing to help you maintain it" Sort of like getting govt cheese and not paying taxes.
I really hope that I miss read what you wrote.
Prod.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Feb 22, 2012 - 11:03pm PT
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You read exactly what I wrote.
So email CMac and see if he'll ban me.
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Prod
Trad climber
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Feb 22, 2012 - 11:04pm PT
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WOW. You seem pretty selfish there. But whatever.
Dude, I could care less about banning people, and would not report anyone, for anything.
Prod.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Feb 22, 2012 - 11:09pm PT
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I will protest by clicking on all the Ads, gear reviews and TRs!! I was going to suggest that to Prod. I'm sure you both can click way more than I ever do anyway.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Feb 22, 2012 - 11:09pm PT
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I think there will be an influx of ad-clicking tonight...
Or was HT using reverse psychology?!
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Feb 22, 2012 - 11:19pm PT
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Dr.F
I'm not sure who you meant by Butthead, but I've never assumed anyone has emailed CMac to complain about me. At least not yet.
EDIT: oy vey....Locker's definitely a Butthead. And good on 'im.
And now I'm going to sign off for the night, having apparently made pest of myself.
G'night y'awl
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Gary
climber
That Long Black Cloud Is Coming Down
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Feb 22, 2012 - 11:20pm PT
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I've had the HONOR to have some of my routes (and Woodys and mine, and Steve's and mine, and...) CHOPPED by, "the SKIPPER"...
Somebody would chop one Woody's routes? Didn't Woody practically invent Josh climbing?
Of all the noive.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Feb 22, 2012 - 11:21pm PT
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The cover boy on the first guidebook no less.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Feb 22, 2012 - 11:25pm PT
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Every time you post a reply look to the right.
Our goal with the climbing forum is to provide a resource for climbers of all skill levels and experience to get information about climbing and climbing destinations.
Please help us keep the climber's forum a friendly and informative resource. If you find posts that are objectionable, please let us know. Although we can't control the content posted to the forum or route beta sections, we will delete objectionable or offensive posts as we become aware of them.
We appreciate your support!
Friendly and informative. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
Keep it simple. No moderation. If someone can't play by the 'rules' whackamole them.
I don't think Chris or anyone else should have to put much time or effort into keeping this place cool. If someone is negative and/or produces so much noise that they drive away posters that contribute in a good way you have to axe them.
I'll miss some of the posters that got the axe, but I understand why they are gone.
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Feb 22, 2012 - 11:53pm PT
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Probably got emailed COMPLAINTS sent in...
Ah! …well if it’s complaints that nudge the blacklist bulldog…watch for a new level of grousing, grievances and whiny protestations to management from me! :-)
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Matt
Trad climber
it's all turtles, all the way dooowwwwwnn!!!!!
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Feb 23, 2012 - 12:09am PT
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i thought TGT was banned?
must be confusing my wingnut republicans out there...
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Feb 23, 2012 - 01:31am PT
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I'm glad LEB and rokjox are gone. Not pro banning but phuck those guys.
Especially rokjox.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Feb 23, 2012 - 02:05am PT
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Dr. Craig Fry
Just curious, what kind of doctor are you?
And don't say PhD in political science, LOL
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Feb 23, 2012 - 02:30am PT
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A "like" button may have merit, for threads if not individual posts - as long as you couldn't "like" your own posts/threads. And if there was a way to search threads by the most liked, that would be nice.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Feb 23, 2012 - 02:31am PT
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I'm glad LEB and rokjox are gone. Not pro banning but phuck those guys.
Especially rokjox.
i couldn't agree more.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Feb 23, 2012 - 06:14am PT
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You must be a climber for the climber’s code to apply and you're not. And thirdly, the code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules. (courtesy of Captain Barbossa)
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Feb 23, 2012 - 08:56am PT
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Dr. F is NOT a Ph.D. in Political Science.
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Prod
Trad climber
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Feb 23, 2012 - 09:08am PT
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Do I have to brag about being a climber to deserve any respect?
I really don't want to brag about the climbing I did.
But I do post to many climbing threads, since I did 1000s of routes, summits, boulders etc. and love to contribute to climbing threads that interest me,
Since I did write the "Southern California Bouldering Guide"
I do have some credentials I can retire on.
I could care less about your CV. Again Other than this thread and 1 post in a Ron Paul thread I have not read anything you write. I think my attention was drawn to you because you are the author of the Republicans are wrong thread, and I see it, as well as your name, every time I come here, so by association I see you as a detractor to the site. I must be wrong though as there are thousands of posts on that thread, so others obviously like it. Carry on...
BSBA, Normal average (to below) climber Guy Kenny
AKA Prod.
Just in case you are wondering Hardman Knott, my BSBA is in Real Estate and Construction Management.
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jstan
climber
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Feb 23, 2012 - 10:55am PT
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Counting this thread as being political
there are only two such threads on the first page right now.
If you consider this a thread dealing with site management
there is just one.
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nature
climber
Denver, Colorado
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Feb 23, 2012 - 11:02am PT
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whack a few moles and all of a sudden there is more climbing content on the front page.
if I was a mole i'd be looking for the chop.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Feb 23, 2012 - 12:23pm PT
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[Click to View YouTube Video]
As I watch this video by Theramin Trees I am continuously reminded of those who have been dismissed by the forum site's admin, or (thankfully) personal option...
The video has to do with transactional analysis and how people relate to one another in certain instances.
The whole series is worth a viewing in my opinion.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Feb 23, 2012 - 12:38pm PT
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Dr. F is NOT a Ph.D. in Political Science.
So is Dr. Craig Fry a PhD or an MD?
What is his field of expertise?
I would guess anesthesiology, as the sheer volume of his posts have had a numbing effect.
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jstan
climber
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Feb 23, 2012 - 12:44pm PT
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Jingy has something here. I just watched TA1 the chapter before the one Jingy suggested. These posts are directly reflecting the psychological states discussed in TA1. Fascinating.
As a result of the corrections undertaken by Chris, it seems we are entering into new and potentially damaging interactions. The sides of people now appearing for the first time were unsuspected by myself. Not like that has never before happened to me.
We need to look carefully at what we are doing here.
Thanks Jingy!
Edit:
One day I went to pick my daughter up at her preschool. Kristy was talking to Jeannie the teacher and as we parted Kristy told her, "My daddy is a fake Doctor."
I had never talked to her about my education.
In many ways kids have it the best, don't you think? Still breaks me up.
Locker:
Take a look at TA1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKNyFSLJy6o
Then let's talk.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Feb 23, 2012 - 01:06pm PT
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As a result of the corrections undertaken by Chris, it seems we are entering into new and potentially damaging interactions. The sides of people now appearing for the first time were unsuspected by myself.
Not sure what you mean. How does the banning of (to pick one example) LEB make it more likely that those remaining will have more damaging interactions? Or, now that Fortmental is gone, am I going to have more damaging interactions with you?
I'm confused.
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jstan
climber
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Feb 23, 2012 - 01:13pm PT
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David:
I'll repeat what I suggested to Locker.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKNyFSLJy6o
I found this most interesting, and relevant.
More later.
Doing several things right now. The rest of Jingy's series is definitely on my schedule.
Thanks Phylp:
The most memorable moment of my climbing days came one cool spring day when I
was sitting on a ledge, banging my heels against the rock and watching the sunlight play on leaves.
The moment was everything. Ego had fallen to the base of the rock.
The moment came again on my third Facelift when i was picking up debris in El Cap Meadow. I suddenly looked up and realized I did not want anything from that wonderful rock. And that rock did not want anything from me. We had reached agreement.
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phylp
Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
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Feb 23, 2012 - 01:14pm PT
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It's an interesting video, Jingy. Thanks.
I see the persistence in the negative behaviors and attitudes of a style (for example the controlling parent style in your video) by one person "A", perceived by others as unhelpful or unwanted, as an ego need by "A". Just being made aware of it doesn't usually allow them to let the behavior go. Sometimes they just refuse to accept that a different way would work better (the "I'm right and everyone else is wrong"), and sometimes they can see it, but the pattern of being that way gives their ego something that is hard to let go of.
Phyl
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 23, 2012 - 01:23pm PT
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Interesting video, well worth watching and contemplating.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Feb 23, 2012 - 01:29pm PT
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A "like" button may have merit
and the one with the most puppets gets to vote the most.
which means jody wins.
heh
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 23, 2012 - 01:29pm PT
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He is an eminent guidebook author regarding southern California bouldering. This status keeps him from being banned for dredging up the Repubtard thread every twenty minutes or so.
Let's not forget that Largo declared him "Rookie Of The Year" in 1977. Criag's accomplishments in climbing are far more significant than the guides he knocked out. The Fry Problem is hands down one of my Josh Top Ten boulder problems.
(Shameless opportunity to post a photo of ME.)
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Feb 23, 2012 - 01:32pm PT
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The way I see the recent spate of deactivation is as an attempt by CMac to avoid seeing Supertopo devolve into what rocklimbing.com is/has become in the last few years.
That place was always the gumbys leading the n00bs, but a couple years back, a group of bored posters decided to have fun and try to take down the site by inane posting, jacking of sections(like the photos and route database), and gang mentality attacking anyone who said "Do you mind? We're trying to have a discussion here."
Many users stopped posting, and the place, once fairly active, is has just a fraction of the active users. And most of those who post are just bitching back and forth. Look at their General Forum, and take note of "last post" dates. Right now - 3 threads have been posted to today, 4 yesterday, 1 the 20th, 2 the 19th, and so on. It's not like those threads are getting bumped, either. Looking at the front page of General, only one thread has more than 100 posts. Plenty have less than ten. That is a pretty slow.
And let's NOT forget - CMac has CLEARLY stated that deactivated users may ask to come back.
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Russ Walling
Gym climber
Poofter's Froth, Wyoming
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Feb 23, 2012 - 01:41pm PT
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Re: Dr. F:
Don't forget he was also the leader of the SheepBuggers back in the late 70's and 80's. I heard he also did the 2nd ascent Monkey On My Back aka Figures on a Landscape, that fine route bolted by and first lead by Dave Evans and Randy Vogel. Yabo had done the real first ascent without bolts, using only natural gear previous to any known ascents. I think he also named the Manx Boulders and lended his name to the Fry Problem, a John Long classic.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Feb 23, 2012 - 01:45pm PT
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We need to look carefully at what we are doing here.
Screwin' around on the internet, at a big sh#t-talkers gathering in the ether. Same as it ever was.
'Net vets who've been doing this campfire in the ether style gig for 15+ years or so (not talking ST specifically, just web forums/BBS/usenet) tend to have a much different perspective than the late-adopters. When it was strictly a bunch of tech types, academics, and students, it was all about killing time with scathing exchanges of wit. That is the cultural grounding of web forums. Subject matter is irrelevant, go look at any usenet group circa 1994. Flame wars were half the content.
Flash forward and you have a core of people steeped in that culture and those norms, and then a mob of Johnny-Come-Latelys show up preaching and crying about "civility" and such. And by "lately" I mean not around net forums in the days of 386s and excitement over a higher baud rate modem.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 23, 2012 - 01:46pm PT
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Happie wrote: And let's NOT forget - CMac has CLEARLY stated that deactivated users may ask to come back.
So what does people like LEB & Skip bring to the table?
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Feb 23, 2012 - 01:53pm PT
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yeah. dr. f's investment and contributions in the climbing community are respected and extensive. he's still skiing hard, too. and he's a genuine expert on cactus which is almost on topic. and as best i can tell, he does most of his politard posting in selected politard threads which feels very different from systeamtically targeting non-politard threads for politard hijacking (cf fattrad's post in the old cerrot torre thread).
folks better at the craft get more respect. folks who have invested folks who can speak from experience and expertise on shared topics of interest get more respect.
we may be equal before the law, but we're not equals before the mountain. and we're not equals on here.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Feb 23, 2012 - 01:55pm PT
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Bob D'A - Those poster had very clear and distinct patterns. If they do get allowed back(CMac did not say it is a given that a request to return will be allowed) and they get back to the same shite, then likely they will get axed again, and that time for good. Or so I would guess.
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MH2
climber
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Feb 23, 2012 - 03:13pm PT
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In many ways kids have it the best, don't you think?
I try to model my own behavior after them.
As someone said, "The world-wide fraternity of children is the greatest of savage tribes..."
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Feb 23, 2012 - 03:23pm PT
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So what does people like LEB & Skip bring to the table?
they provide entertainment value by bugging the crap out of some other posters.... :)
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Feb 23, 2012 - 03:53pm PT
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Enjoyed the video Jingy. Thanks.
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apogee
climber
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Feb 23, 2012 - 04:02pm PT
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"So what does people like LEB & Skip bring to the table?"
In respect to climbing-related contributions, skipt had the edge, but only by a small amount- they were both waaaaay over on the 'minimum' end of the Climbing Contribution Scale®.
In respect to general presence in this 'community', they were far apart- skipt's posts were 96% negative and sometimes downright hostile....Lois was annoyingly persistent, but her tone was usually positive. Yes, she would sometimes try to be 'harsh', but anyone who was offended by her weak, silly efforts should be ashamed of themselves.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Feb 23, 2012 - 04:08pm PT
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Of the 6 who were banned, at least 3 were pretty wealthy (compared to most people) and their wealth was self-made.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Feb 23, 2012 - 04:14pm PT
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Locker it goes to personality traits.
Driven, focused, outspoken, assertive, not too worried when people didn't agree with them.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Feb 23, 2012 - 04:23pm PT
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I'm just saying I don't think its a coincidence.
And I think you are proof that you can have those traits without being wealthy. LOL
Edit: While I posted this, you made your edit... I think we're saying the same thing, but in different ways. LOL
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Feb 23, 2012 - 04:26pm PT
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Locker, who was it who said there is a leisure class at both ends of the social spectrum?
Obsessive, myopic, verbose, dictatorial, kinda antagonistic?
That's the other side of the coin.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Feb 23, 2012 - 04:31pm PT
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DMT, if I made a list of the top 10 people most likely to be banned, you wouldn't be on it.
But you probably WOULD be on it if I made a list of the top 15 people most likely to be banned.
Because you have some of the same traits, not just to the same degree. You have something to say. You are often provocative and you don't overly mind hurting people's feelings at times.
Also haven't you already been banned on summitpost?
edit:
Of the list of the Damned? One of them, just one, I hope is never allowed to return to this forum. I'll give you one guess who...
Starts with an F...?
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Feb 23, 2012 - 04:41pm PT
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Eric Beck.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Feb 23, 2012 - 04:43pm PT
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Locker/Norton?
Darn, Norton, I'd offered to combine with you on the ticket (I'd even give you top billing) -- and we could have claimed jstan's endorsement!
No offense meant to Locker, of course -- I don't want to be next on the List of Purgees.
;)
John
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Feb 23, 2012 - 04:48pm PT
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And DMT gets the 420. Others weep at the missed opportunity.
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Gary
climber
That Long Black Cloud Is Coming Down
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Feb 23, 2012 - 04:49pm PT
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John, I doubt you're even on the radar.
Just to be the devil's advocate, skipt did make some rather good and thoughtful comments on climbing on a few threads, IIRC. Useful stuff, so I think he's a climber.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 23, 2012 - 04:56pm PT
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Locker, one more LOL!!! and your banned.
LOL!
i will just assume you are laughing continuosly like a drunken irsheman,
spell check on continuosly, isle 5,
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Feb 23, 2012 - 06:03pm PT
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They got addicted to their own schtick (laws knows I've done the same).
I don't know exactly what your schtick is, but "as#@&%e" certainly doesn't apply to your persona here.
I doubt there's anyone on ST who doesn't irritate someone. But that's a whole lot different from behaving like an as#@&%e.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Feb 23, 2012 - 06:06pm PT
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That hurt man, that hurt.
Take it as a compliment.
Sheep are never at risk at being banned from anything.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 23, 2012 - 06:11pm PT
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I doubt there's anyone on ST who doesn't irritate someone.
OK now this is complete bullsh#t. I'm the Mother F*#king Theresa of supertopo and everybody here loves me. Asshole.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 23, 2012 - 06:13pm PT
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nor should they be
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 23, 2012 - 06:20pm PT
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correct!
and why do you suppose that it was sheep that were chosen first to be "cloned"
what do we REALLY know about sheep?
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Feb 23, 2012 - 06:21pm PT
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And when pointed out that many folks didn't like their as#@&%e behavior? In every case they persisted with that behavior BECAUSE it rubbed others the wrong way.
to offer up a different perspective....the people who responded to inane posts gave the "banned" whatever, power that could be attributed to them. there is nothing more powerful than a non-response to an a-hole. of course i know this from my bantering with fatty/leb/skipt and in particular RJ.
they only got on peoples nerves because others let them. just a different prespective.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Feb 23, 2012 - 06:24pm PT
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420 is a cliche.
Real burners eschew all association.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Feb 23, 2012 - 06:26pm PT
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Sheep are never at risk at being banned from anything.
yeah, illuminati boy, goin' for the gusto!
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Prod
Trad climber
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Feb 23, 2012 - 06:30pm PT
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And DMT gets the 420. Others weep at the missed opportunity.
Not no more! Consider it a gift Crimpie.
BUMP
425 is the number assigned to me as a kid in fuking MILITARY SCHOOL...
;-)
So I TOOK it!!!...
Oops sorry Locker, I saw your post after I made it the 424th.... Thats what you get for misplacing my shoes...
Prod.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Feb 23, 2012 - 06:31pm PT
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those sheep have not apparently met the locker ram....
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Prod
Trad climber
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Feb 23, 2012 - 07:06pm PT
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Mannnnn, My Chucky T's WTF!
I'm going to follow High Traversitys lead and boycott everything I don't already use on the Taco until you are banned! Unless of course I decide that I need to look at something, then I will but other than that this is a BOYCOTT,,,,, Yeah! Don't cross this line, ok that one, no I meant this one....
Prod.
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Prod
Trad climber
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Feb 23, 2012 - 07:20pm PT
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Dr F,
No one. Why?
Prod.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 23, 2012 - 07:27pm PT
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i am banning myself for 5 minutes while i unplug this pipe and take a hit, true dat,
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 23, 2012 - 08:44pm PT
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Locker, You're still sleeping with LEB. Right?
So what's she up to? Is she looking for a new Forum that she can join?
How are her Investments in Nuclear Energy Doing??
How many e-mails have you got?
Yes, Craig, exactly. But I am curious for your advise on Angels. I like Angels, do you like Angels? I somewhat enjoy glitter and unicorns as well, but I believe Angels live among us. And I often wonder: what price do Angels pay for bananas. Or, do Angels even like bananas? These questions are making me very curious.
Locker whitespace edit: yeah, I don't do "Bad LEB" anywhere nearly as well as Happi, but I try.
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BooYah
Social climber
Ely, Nv
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Feb 23, 2012 - 09:09pm PT
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You are the weirdest Folks upon the Land.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Feb 23, 2012 - 09:39pm PT
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Like all Lois departures, this one may also be temporary
Until then, we should take turn "Channeling" her once in awhile on off topic threads
You just sign "Lebby"
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jstan
climber
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Feb 23, 2012 - 09:54pm PT
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Before Lois stood up on high principles and left ST I had found her ability to conduct herself civilly despite the most horribly unfair treatment - admirable. Her logic and her willingness to confront reality were both highly flawed. Flawed to the extent it was pointless to try and conduct a discussion. But, frankly, she was not alone in possessing that characteristic.
When she returned, if she in fact did, she had determined that what served the gander could as well serve the goose. She came back to manipulate.
Now, I will admit my own inadequacies. I held it against her that she was not able to stick the landing. All of us, need to stick our landings.
This thread attempts to address the question, Can ST, stick its landing?
Bob:
ST has had the contributions of the most amazing people I have seen during the past fifty years. You all, are ST. We cannot be as we were, if our core has been compromised. The posts in this thread suggest we are now different, and we are reacting to each other in new ways.
How it all will be resolved, I do not know.
PS:
Oh, Karl Baba, is OK. And a new believer in the double entendre
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 23, 2012 - 10:17pm PT
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Jstan wrote: This thread attempts to address the question, Can ST now, stick its landing?
That is up to Chris and his vision for what he wants ST to be.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Feb 23, 2012 - 10:21pm PT
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This thread attempts to address the question, Can ST, stick its landing?
Does it count if we land in something Sticky?
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Feb 23, 2012 - 11:01pm PT
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What if it is just a better place to have a discussion about anything?
What if it was similar to standing/sitting around the campfire in JTree/Yosemite?
A place where its not about supporting egos, or getting a bunch of negative attention for the most meaningless of reasons?
What if is was just a cool place to hang out for a while, learn a few things, share some information, cheer a friend or get inspired?
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Feb 23, 2012 - 11:01pm PT
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I don't see how we are reacting to each other differently than before, Jstan. Can you give examples?
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 23, 2012 - 11:12pm PT
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i like this place,
i can say whatever i want, to whoever i want,
try that at work,
is it saturday night or sunday morning?
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 23, 2012 - 11:47pm PT
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It's more boring now.
The electricity is on low voltage.
More and more lifeless.
The fire is burning on simmer.
More bland and mundane.
Oh oh I might get da boot now .....
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Feb 24, 2012 - 12:12am PT
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It's more boring now. The electricity is on low voltage. More and more lifeless. The fire is burning on simmer.
Well, if that bothers you, then instead of whining about it, why not do something. Become the new Rokjox -- pick a couple of random subjects, drink vast quantities of alcohol, and then rant endlessly about them. Or channel skipt -- get really nasty and shout abuse at everybody you disagree with. Or, if you're missing LEB, then take over every non-climbing thread with endless posts about the rabbits that are invading your vegetable garden.
But don't whine about it unless you're willing to do something about it.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Feb 24, 2012 - 12:18am PT
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It's possible that complaints from advertisers contributed to what happened. Look at how some behaved toward Michael Chessler.
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BooYah
Social climber
Ely, Nv
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Feb 24, 2012 - 12:21am PT
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Oxy got the Boot, too. What a moron. Just a matter of Time.
He never knows how to shut up.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Feb 24, 2012 - 12:22am PT
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Well, even though I defended his antique ropes I have to say that Chessler rolled in with both guns blazing- with predictable results.
I suspect that for better or worse the majority of our recently dearly departed will be back.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Feb 24, 2012 - 12:30am PT
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If you're selling advertising, would you care about the personality of the person buying it on behalf of his company? Isn't it irrelevant?
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BooYah
Social climber
Ely, Nv
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Feb 24, 2012 - 12:32am PT
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Some people are Creepy, Mighty Hiker. Some are not.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 24, 2012 - 01:07am PT
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Holy cow, are you guys really gonna let all this stuff live in your head, rent free?
Yallz need to keep a sense of humor. This ain't Das Forum. They'll be back, if they want. Count on it.
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jstan
climber
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Feb 24, 2012 - 01:36am PT
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I don't see how we are reacting to each other differently than before, Jstan. Can you give examples?
People that had never before drawn comparisons between people began to do so. The validity people have began to be questioned. What climbs or other things have you done?
Before we were saying whatever to each other, but no one was asked for their credentials. If we go with Jingy's Transactional Analysis, we have fallen out of adult interactions where all are equals.
I am not going to point to specific posts. Read the thread.
Our all being here as equals was what made ST what it was. The banning has counteracted some of the recent changes in atmosphere here, so don't get me wrong. Something was needed IMO.
Websites can feature people who are studiedly gracious with each other and ever anxious to provide information. Often from people "in the van". Originality and good humor aplenty. ST has some of this but only in patches. I think we could be doing so much better.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 24, 2012 - 02:10am PT
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Who was oxy?
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Karen
Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
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Feb 24, 2012 - 02:32am PT
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You guys still awake and chewing on all this....
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Karen
Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
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Feb 24, 2012 - 02:48am PT
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I can just imagine!!!! Being sick is like solitary confinement - too sick to do anything, no one wants to be around a viral person, and yeah....bored as all hell is correct.
Still awake here, bored too but am getting quite a kick out of all you guys going on and on and on!
I think it is chicken sh*t if people were emailing CM to ban posters, means to me they are a bunch of whining thin skinned chumps. Agree Lois could be annoying, quite so and I was appalled by her comments directed towards Terrie on the sobriety thread, very condescending IMO. However, a couple of the banned posters I will not miss in the least, they were plain mean.
Oh well.....
All I can say locker is DON"T you get yourself banned, if this happens I am moving to Canada!!!!!! :)
edit: I am going to miss Rokjox, I really loved his Anti-Kali rants.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 24, 2012 - 04:05am PT
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i got my gaydar on,
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Feb 24, 2012 - 09:08am PT
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Stranger ones have come by here before
They flew away.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Feb 24, 2012 - 10:39am PT
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It's more boring now.
The electricity is on low voltage.
More and more lifeless.
The fire is burning on simmer.
More bland and mundane.
Yes, true. If drama is your cup of tea. I admit I do enjoy the train wrecks. A couple arguing or someone screaming into their cel phone on the sidewalk on NYC? I KNOW I would slow down and voyeuristically engage myself.
Not the most healthy of energies to be fueling myself with...
Using this forum as an energizing force from the drama is no different from housewives glued to the tube in the 1970's, watching The Edge of Night, As the World Turns, and General Hospital.
People that had never before drawn comparisons between people began to do so. The validity people have began to be questioned. What climbs or other things have you done?
Ahh - I see. Interestingly though - those questions WERE asked of at least a few of the Deactivated, and sometimes repeatedly, while they were still active in the squabble.
Personally - I don't know that it is valid as a real "you have to pass such and such bar" to be part of the tribe here. I say so from personal experience, since I have never done anything of note, climbing wise, and am a big chicken oftentimes. I've taken the Gunkie "work up through the grades" to the extreme(wonder if that was the *tradition* when you were there, John?). I've even had some people VERY surprised, upon talking to me, to find out that I am not an oldschool broad with a gnarled history. I get the feeling, when that happens, that perhaps I they felt misled by my words(and that is not a good feeling!).
Yet nobody here has said "Happie doesn't belong." Or suggested my opinion less valid(even on some climbing stuff!) because I had only done...or never done...
I think the "what've you done?" reaction is a defense mechanism when a person feels viscerally that someone is out of line(their personal line, which may be completely skewed), and doesn't know how to emote "I think you're an as#@&%e! I don't know exactly WHY, But I THINK SO!!!! GRRRRR!!!!"
Admittedly, I only began that video(battery constraints), and it may very well be telling(probably is). But, what is going on in this forum does seem to be an organic function.
I don't know if anyone is REALLY feeling they have to censor themselves or risk banishment. Are they? If so - why? I'd really like to know. Because - if they feel it is BECAUSE of their political beliefs, or religious beliefs, or desire for skanty panty pics, or what have you - I think they would be wrong. If someone is worried "I can't get away with being as BIG an as#@&%e as I want?" Well - that may have some validity.
I do not think the people of the forum are going to tighten the noose on any assholishness behavior until we sound like a bunch of newborn chicks making "peep" sounds.
And now, I must be off. I am going climbing at New Jack City. Should I worry of banishment for participating in the...sport...of climbing?
Just had an epiphany! I never have seen climbing(on gear) as a sport. So, maybe traditional climbing is NOT a sport, but bolt-clipping is? I know that goes against the old saying but...maybe that saying was off?
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Feb 24, 2012 - 01:18pm PT
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I think that jstan, as usual, is on to something. Some very good climbers have also been rather scathing on this forum, but were not the target of a ban. It's as if we give less slack to those whose climbing records we admire less -- just as many of us do on the rocks.
I also think, though, that some of the threads ran out of new things to say a long time ago, so we end up reduced to trading insults. That I don't miss, although I do miss many of the banned posters.
Maybe what we really need to restore the voltage now is a good, new, controversial climbing ethics thread.
;)
John
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Feb 24, 2012 - 01:24pm PT
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People that had never before drawn comparisons between people began to do so. The validity people have began to be questioned. What climbs or other things have you done?
Before we were saying whatever to each other, but no one was asked for their credentials.
People on climbing forums have been drawing comparisons and questioning validity since there have been climbing forums.
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Fluoride
Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
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Feb 24, 2012 - 01:30pm PT
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Jesus, Lois' ban thread has surpassed 500 posts.
Stop, just stop.
Don't let this devolve into another stupid politico thread that bounces everything else that's actually related to climbing off the front page.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Feb 24, 2012 - 01:30pm PT
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Bump.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Feb 24, 2012 - 03:42pm PT
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hey there say, flouride... *wow, saw karen's post too, seemed she was curios, as well... :))
well--i had to stop by and see what was going on here, as, WOW this post/thread has
grown fast, :O
didn't know how or why, as, i figured there's only so much to be said,
but then,
i forgot for a sec:
the ol' taco has an awful lot of spices
it adds to every meal.... :O
:)
well, got to run off and do chores...
and read some more taco-meals really quick, first...
:)
ps:
oh my, sure hope locker feel better soon, i did note that he's
been sick lately, :(
sure don't want our climbers sick, then there's no climbing, and THEN:
there's no climbing trip reports, :(
:)
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Fluoride
Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
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Feb 24, 2012 - 04:55pm PT
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Did locker hijack nee bee's account?
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Feb 24, 2012 - 05:42pm PT
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hey there say, flouride.... whewwwwwwwww, oh my... nope all is well, :)
actually, it is kind of funny, :O
way, before i ever posted here, i used to DO that similar style that locker does... but:
i STOPPED doing it, when i came HERE, as HE was doing it here--didn't reckon it
was polite to cramp his style... :O
however, on occasions, certain posts sure warrent it, :))
*i used to do that style, and the 'emphasise word-type with caps' (that i do DO in my novels) (which is SUPPOSED to be a no-no--meaning we are bad writers if we use it) over at a fan site, for an older cowboy actor that we
know, and would see every few years, :)
okay, will leave the ol' style, back in locker's corner, :))
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Feb 24, 2012 - 09:48pm PT
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So....
Locker... Jaybro... Either of you going to go through each of the booted forum posts to find the pearls of wisdom from each?
Who has the time?
Oh, so many needles in so much stack... and so little time
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Feb 24, 2012 - 09:53pm PT
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You can go through your friend fattards posts (all 30 thousand) to find the gems...
Then your other friends....
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Feb 24, 2012 - 09:59pm PT
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I'm rollin'...
This is your thread... just figured....
Why?
Exactly....
Cheers (and don't pay too much attention to anything I post up here... I ain't all that...)
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 24, 2012 - 10:07pm PT
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Now conceivably, one could start a new thread "Pearls of the Damned" or something, and post some words of wisdom from one of our departed each day or something. Someone else might have the energy for that.....
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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Feb 24, 2012 - 10:14pm PT
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If I'm getting this Thread, Lois....LEB is no longer allowed on this forum. Is this right? Know she/he didn't climb but besides adding comments that did not really pertain to the thread posted on, what was the harm?
Surely we in the climbing/outdoor world are big enough to allow others to walk thru the door even if they don't partake. lynne
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Gal
Trad climber
a semi lucid consciousness
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Feb 24, 2012 - 10:20pm PT
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Jaybro, that is funny!
Let's see if anyone takes on that project ;-)
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 24, 2012 - 10:20pm PT
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Lynne, you would think so...
Some golden nuggets in there for sure, Gal!
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Feb 24, 2012 - 11:10pm PT
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hey there say, lynne... some of us been looking for you, i will go say hi, over there ....
*also, read back a ways... sometimes we have to check all the threads to
get to know what is going on here--...
we, some of us, missed something along the way,... a lot of folks are not here...
i been learning it in bits and peices...
hey there say, timid! so far this year, things are in place nicely as to being settled here... thanks so much for asking...
:)
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Feb 24, 2012 - 11:19pm PT
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My nastiest LEB post/photoshop-job.
By this spring: I was finally, kinda warming up to the old gal.
Senility on my part: I suppose.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 25, 2012 - 12:06am PT
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Anybody who seriously thinks recent events have somehow thinned the blood of the Taco needs to go check out the last two posts in the "Apron Slab Stories" thread.
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad surfing the galactic plane
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Feb 25, 2012 - 03:55pm PT
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LEB
fattrad
Rokjox
weschrisrt
skipt
Fortmental
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theDood
&
war
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Feb 25, 2012 - 04:28pm PT
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^^^^ Nevermind that fattard was about 4 of those...
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Prod
Trad climber
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Feb 25, 2012 - 05:07pm PT
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Crowley sure was a sum' bitch! Good riddance.
I liked him.
Prod.
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad surfing the galactic plane
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Feb 25, 2012 - 05:19pm PT
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A.C.'S MO was always very distinguishable & instantly identifiable. Hound someone regardless of the subject matter. Then bait, harass & lead them on with multiple petty & inflamatory questions & remarks intent on personal ridicule & then delete all of his posts.
Otherwise, he seemed like a really sweet, caring & compassionate human being. lol
edit: from what i recall, rokjox, weschrist, thedood & fortmental all posted on climbing, etc. threads, perhaps skipt, war & fattrad did to a much lesser extent & LEB was just kind of out of place, but AC seemed to have just one purpose in mind = Search & Destroy!!
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad surfing the galactic plane
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Feb 25, 2012 - 05:45pm PT
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I liked him.
Prod
He never stalked me. But then, i primarily lurked, with an occasional post. You soon pick up on who's conversations are worth intertaining & their peculiarities. AC's were interesting, at times, just to see how fast the mark was going to catch on to his intent. And other ones, his usual prey, just to see if they had the common sense to not even engage him/intertain him from the get go. He was generally extremely petty & childish.
edit: but he was adept at pushing buttons!!
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Prod
Trad climber
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Feb 25, 2012 - 05:55pm PT
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I don't think I saw too many or any of his bad posts. I typically stayed out, and still try to, of the political threads. I met him at a facelift and thought he was a really nice guy.
Prod.
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad surfing the galactic plane
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Feb 25, 2012 - 06:00pm PT
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AC, from what i recall, didn't gravitate primarily to the political threads to attack someone. Or that wasn't the primary motivation. He would assault(which what it generally amounted to)a person just about anywhere, no matter what the topic. I rarely go to the political threads, so maybe he did frequent them, not sure. But he did certainly screw up other threads fairly often. Usually, major thread drift resulted.
edit: yeah, he probably was a good guy in real life. you could see that side of him occasionally. some times people get wounded and approach certain groups, venues or individuals with a negative attitude. i noticed that fattrad & skipt got more & more like that as time went on. weschris just seemed to be very opinionated. LEB i never read anything she had to say cuz it wouldn't have been related to climbing or climbers in any way shape or form, so i skipped her post, lol.
i do recall being impressed with AC when he actually attempted to contribute to the conversation and wasn't distracted otherwise. i remember thinking what a waste, he could have been well respected.
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jstan
climber
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Feb 25, 2012 - 09:37pm PT
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All windows on the collage of humanity.
Who woulda thought, Kevin? You are a damn philosopher!
Did you ever think you would end up here?
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Mimi
climber
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Splitter, you are one observant lurker.
I had a great back and forth (not that kind) with Steve tonight about how the ST is a campfire and if people didn't engage, threads wouldn't get out of control and dominate the forum. If it was up to him, just about all threads would be climbing related and I totally dig that but it's not the campfire. Climbers engage infinitely. Freaks walk up and want to join in. Do we throw them into the flames or do we hear them out? I say at least throw their didgeridoo into the fire and then throw them out.
Take LEB for example. It annoys people that climbing threads are trumped and energy is wasted on dealing with maroons and non-climbers such as LEB. Actually, I think Lois is the only intentional non-climber on here which cracks me up. My take on LEB is don't engage her. I've said all along you have a choice to engage. I think it's hilarious that she infuriates so many. Especially people that enjoy infuriating others, like Dr. F.
I haven't been on in weeks and would like to read the posts that got all of these latest people canned. I 'knew' them all from the ST, not personally. I hope it was justified because I think this banning thing is getting out of hand on the surface. Free speech is paramount and unless they were truly stalking and way out of line, people should toughen up.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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I've said all along you have a choice to engage. I think it's hilarious that she infuriates so many. Especially people that enjoy infuriating others, like Dr. F.
Well said!
I have to agree with Mimi on this.
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Mimi
climber
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F*#k you graniteclimber! You're no ally of mine. LOL!
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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F*#k you graniteclimber! You're no ally of mine. LOL!
No kidding! I hate it when I find myself admiring a post by someone I'm trying to fight with...
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Too funny! A bunch of guys flummoxed because they were trolled by someone who was exactly who she purported to be, and their egos needed her to be something more mysterious.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Waste water? You guys get that Truckee river snail problem cleared up for the fresh water?
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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seriously. LEB fetishists can indulge their fetish all they want -- just not at my expense.
find a fukkng room.
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Too funny! A bunch of guys flummoxed because they were trolled by someone who was exactly who she purported to be, and their egos needed her to be something more mysterious.
Ha-ha-ha. Jaybro gets an A for the class.
Amazing that a very sweet and intelligent middle age lady, being herself...can be taken by everyone, as a quorum of ill-motivated communications majors with a medical encyclopedia...posting from a teepee on Sproul Plaza.
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turd
climber
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Sep 22, 2012 - 07:25pm PT
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Wow. Leave for a couple years and things get all weird.
Fattrad, rokjox AND Lois? At the same time? I need to take a knee for a minute.
WHO WILL DERAIL OUR THREADS NOW
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turd
climber
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Sep 22, 2012 - 07:32pm PT
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Nice!
(The clone remark was mean-spirited.)
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turd
climber
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Sep 22, 2012 - 07:39pm PT
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I thought you were calling ME the LEB clone. Which would have cut me deep, man.
That other thread is some funny sh*t.
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turd
climber
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Sep 22, 2012 - 08:12pm PT
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Hurtful....but still funny.
Still reading up on the Feb drama. Reminds me a of a clown on fire.
Kinda funny, but kinda sad.
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