Teaching Evolution

my recommendation is to teach it as it is, as a science
and since you are teaching a science class, that is all you need to consider, the science.

bowing in the slightest to religious ideology

the bible states an age of the earth around 4000 years.

The Bible does not offer an opinion on the time frame.

The Bible does not offer an opinion on the time frame.

This is incorrect. C'mon, Gene. Gotta get real, man.

The Christian Bible provides a complete genealogy from Adam to Jesus. In the NT, too.

Matthew 1:1-17
1 This is the genealogy[a] of Jesus the Messiah the son of David, the son of Abraham:
Snip
15 Elihud the father of Eleazar,
Eleazar the father of Matthan,
Matthan the father of Jacob,
16 and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah.

Luke goes top down.
Luke 3:23-38
Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph,
the son of Heli, 24 the son of Matthat,
the son of Levi, the son of Melki,

"if you are challenging yourself at the edge of your abilities, you will still have to make your move and shove off into the unknown. That's the beauty of climbing."

"The evolution of the eye ultimately hinges on one particular property of certain types of protoplasm—photosensitivity.

. . . Once one admits that the possession of such photosensitivity
may have selective value, all else follows by necessity."22 Mayr does
not, and indeed cannot, specify the particular steps leading from a photo-,
sensitive speck to a fully developed eye.

His account of the evolution of the eye is typical of theoretical evolutionary explanations,
for it relies on an abiding faith in the power of natural selection and mutation to effect transformations
in organic form that evolutionists themselves cannot even" imagine, much less observe.

The size of the universe and the number of stars we can count increases all the time, so isn't a little presumptious to think that whatever force created this vast universe had to do it in 24 hour earth spins? And don't forget that every religious tradition in the world says that man's greatest fault is his pride.

Do you have faith that if you drop a rock off a cliff that it will fall?

WBraun would call it a belief if it fitted his purpose.

Instead of saying that something is a belief supported by strong evidence I would like to say a fact.

If not we leave room for the WBraun way of thinking: beliefs supported by strong evidence and beliefs not supported by evidence is seen as the same thing. It's still just beliefs isn't it. It's all beliefs, all the same.

There's no anti-evolution...

Of all the major advances in the history of science none have been more broadly controversial than Darwin's theory of the evolution of species

Oh. edit: no cancer..

evolution provides an explanation of the origin of humans by physical means only

this is obviously touchy to religions

The solution to which is to move back to a state with mountains

education is the best way to free people from poverty

I'd be interested in what all you cover in genetics when you do it first.
Maybe discuss this offline?

In the automobile evolution there is/was a creator ..... :-)

In the automobile evolution there is/was a creator ..... :-)

education is the best way to free people from poverty

Natural Selection runs into problems when trying to use it to explain biology that is irreducably complex. ie, where a system of many parts can not develop over time through small mutations, All the parts need to be in place and working together at the same time to be an advantage that natural would select for. If one part is missing the system won't work and natural selection would not pass it along

"If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down."

Do you really think Christianity is as powerful now as it was two hundred years ago, Dingus?

Short answer - yes.

Do you think a self-described atheist could get elected to President of the US?

However, please show me how organic molecules (non-living building blocks), wherever they are found, even on meteorites, how do these non-living organic molecules first form tissue, then an organ, then a system of organs to produce the first simplest living single celled organism?

to create life in a lab

Mr Fructose, what do you mean by synthesis?

Could you provide a link? Thanks.

man creating life in the Lab

My next door neighbor is a famous evolution scientist. One evening I asked him, "If life is so easy to start, has it seen multiple genesis's over time?"

His reply was no. There is a universal genome that all life shares.

I have no problem with Evolution. It's real. It happens.

There are many examples we can see in our own short life-time here on Earth. Microorganisms like bacteria etc., mutate and change all the time. Disease pathogens become resistant to treatment all the time. They are changing and becoming more resilient. Evolution at work. And this can happen in fairly short amounts of time.


However, please show me how organic molecules (non-living building blocks), wherever they are found, even on meteorites, how do these non-living organic molecules first form tissue, then an organ, then a system of organs to produce the first simplest living single celled organism?

My good friend, once climbing partner, and my first Bio professor in college always said this truth, "The simplest single celled living organism is far more complex than the largest non-living system or phenomenon."

How exactly did the first non-living building block organic molecules do all of that? How exactly did that happen? How did the first non-living matter become life?

Hey, once life is already here it isn't difficult to see how life begets life. And how the mechanics of Evolution can work from that point on.

How did life exactly first begin from a strict evolutionary point of view, without any deity or other spiritual or faith based method and causation?


Enquiring minds want to know.


Theistic evolution:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evolution

Ed Hartouni said . . .

Feb 17, 2012 - 01:32pm PT

Klimmer, we don't know yet, it is the subject of much research.

some of this can be found in the Wikipedia article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

Certainly we can approach it as a science question, and pursue an answer in that domain. As I have said many times before, science knows when it gets things wrong...

Standby...

However, if you propose a "theory" such as the universe was created 4,000 years ago, that explains the existence of the fossil record too, it was put there by the creator.

The existence of the fossil record is consistent with both "theories."

That's why I tell my students that there is still plenty of room for God in both cosmology and human life, but evolution is a fact as revealed in the fossil record. The interesting thing is that Genesis did get the right order in which animals appeared on this planet, saying that fish were created before mammals and so on.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1703849&msg=1704681#msg1704681

What was the Star of Bethlehem?
http://askelm.com/video/real/xmas_star.htm

http://www.bethlehemstar.net/


We know when Jesus Christ, Emmanuel, "GOD with Us," came to Earth to be with us for 30 - 33 years or so. We know the date. We know the timing. It was recorded in the night sky for all eternity.

With Kepler's Laws of Planetary Motion and Newton's Universal Law of Gravitation we know precisely when "The Royal Conjunction of Jupiter, Venus, and Regulus" occurred using software such as "Starry Night" on a computer laptop.