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karodrinker
Trad climber
San Jose, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 20, 2012 - 02:12pm PT
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Before the white man invaded Yosemite in 1851, did the Indians that lived there climb the walls? Does anyone have any scholarly evidence of Indians climbing?
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Jan 20, 2012 - 02:30pm PT
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Stemming in a loincloth sure would be exposed...
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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Jan 20, 2012 - 03:10pm PT
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Yes, the Native Americans had several ways into and out of the Valley which included Climbing. Indian Cyn near the clinic is one way and I believe the Ledge Trail was another way out of the Valley. . .
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Floyd Hayes
Trad climber
Hidden Valley Lake, CA
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Jan 20, 2012 - 03:32pm PT
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Here is scholarly evidence that they ground up food for eating a picnic lunch on the summit of Lost Arrow Spire:
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 20, 2012 - 03:35pm PT
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Chief Kauk climbs .....
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nutjob
Gym climber
Berkeley, CA
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Jan 20, 2012 - 03:35pm PT
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From atop Lower Brother:
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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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Jan 21, 2012 - 07:49pm PT
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Jan 21, 2012 - 08:37pm PT
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Of course they climbed. The only question is this: was it just a practical pursuit, for getting from point a to point b quickly? Or was it sometimes done for fun?
I like to think that maybe the younger folk did it for the pure joy of it. Remember Robbin's classic intro to "Basic Rockcraft? "A boy clambers up a tree, 'why' dosen't matter..." Just like that.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Jan 21, 2012 - 09:21pm PT
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If you have time, stop by the museum in the village. They often have a local Native American on set to chat up any thing you want.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Jan 21, 2012 - 09:22pm PT
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I don't know about the Valley, but a few years ago here in JT I came across a little place 'neath some boulders which I am fiarly certain was someone's digs. I sat for some time, and came to the conclusion I was in a sort of doctor's office. The rocks are set up in a way that one is "the patient's chair" - almost like a chaise lounge. Next to the raised leg area is a seat for doc, and across is several seats, for the worried family.
As I sat there, and those thoughts came, I felt myself wondering what sorts of illness' the docotr would treat, and what I got back, very clearly, was "We get a lot of broken legs," and an image of the young boys scrambling the rocks and doing jump-accross' as feats of daring. Definitely play/competition.
Of course, maybe I am just imagining the whole thing.
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JOEY.F
Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
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Interesting shots on the cliffs.
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Plaidman
Trad climber
South Slope of Mt. Tabor, Portland, Oregon, USA
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Stemming in a loincloth sure would be exposed...
No worse than climbing in a kilt.
You know why they call a kilt and not a skirt?
Cause if you call it a skirt I'd have to kilt you.
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JOEY.F
Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
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I just wonder why they would be up on the cliffs leaching acorns, which I guess is what the holes in the stone are for.
Plaid and OntheEdge crack me up, as it were...
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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My guess is no. They would not have had much time or inclination to climb up big walls.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Apr 24, 2013 - 06:11am PT
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My supposition is yes. The men got bored and needed to get away for the afternoon.
The ladies are engaged making buckskin anyway.
"Let's go up there and shoot arrows down here. Use this little pot basket for a target. Closest to the hole. Loser has to run to Fern Spring and bring back some water..."
"You better bring more arrows, Marmot-face."
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Apr 24, 2013 - 11:51am PT
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of course they did. but those are solution pockets not grindholes. probably used them as chalk buckets though.
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steve shea
climber
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Apr 24, 2013 - 12:04pm PT
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Lessee, the Enclosure on the Grand, the Shohsone Highway in the Winds, Anasazi in the desert, the Medicine Wheel in the Bighorns and I'm sure more. These examples are not on walls but they are high, in the mts and you would not want to fall off the trail on most.
Seems like the Athabascan brothers worshiped the high places and had to get up there to some extent.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 24, 2013 - 12:07pm PT
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Stemming in a loincloth sure would be exposed...
That's why the Squaws always led the tribe.
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JerryA
Mountain climber
Sacramento,CA
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Apr 24, 2013 - 12:22pm PT
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I donated an arrowhead with a broken tip to the archaeogist at the Inyo National Forest that I found off-trail at 11,500ft. below Southfork Pass in the Palisades & was told that it was one of the highest that has been found.Has anyone else found any Native-American artifacts in the High Sierra ?
John Fischer once found a big sheep skull with a full horn rack in the Palisades.Has anyone ever found one in the High Sierra ?
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 24, 2013 - 12:23pm PT
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Bvb posted; "Of course they climbed. The only question is this: was it just a practical pursuit, for getting from point a to point b quickly? Or was it sometimes done for fun?"
I agree and wonder the same.
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ec
climber
ca
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Apr 30, 2013 - 11:10pm PT
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JerryA,
Years ago, I found an obsidian arrowhead on Sheraton Watkins. My partners thought that I was BSing them. Nonetheless, it made for great imaginary tales of some badass soloing after hammering our Fosters. I figured it had journeyed there via eagle with a Native American's lost dinner.
ec
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hossjulia
Trad climber
Where the Hoback and the mighty Snake River meet
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Rock wind shelters/hunting blinds all over the high Sierra.
There is an old knapping spot/camp site up Mc Gee canyon I found. Big dead lodgepole there. All around the base and for many feet in all directions, deep deposit of chips.
Mc Gee was used as an entry into the Sierra for summer trading.
It has more berry bushes than any other canyon on the eastside.
Also limber pine growing very low for them, under 9,000'.
Diamondback's too. Brought over from the west side and kept in a pit above the springs low in the canyon. Pit is still there. Seen more than a few decent sized, not sidewinders.
Of course the bored young-uns climbed. We are primates.
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Rolfr
Social climber
North Vancouver BC
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Happiegrrl, you are soo... tuned in!
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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climbing in the Idaho Sawtooths during the 1950s, it was common to find signs they had been there high on the walls
over the years i have formed the opinion that they were doing highly athletic climbing both for fun and competitive advantage
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karodrinker
Trad climber
San Jose, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 1, 2013 - 03:18am PT
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Great to see this conversation re started. Last week I spent a day climbing and bouldering at castle rock state park, mostly barefoot.
Felt like an Indian.
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adatesman
climber
philadelphia, pa
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I don't see why they wouldn't have, given the ones around Seneca Rocks in WV are known to have climbed that formation.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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I bet they did The Gunsight.
That's because naked maidens were going through purity rites in the pools above Bridalveil Falls!!
I don't know how the Gunsight is in daylight, but I can tell you there's some sketchy sh#t in there in the dark!!
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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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no, before you came along no one did anything.
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