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Adamame
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Santa Cruz
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 4, 2012 - 05:18pm PT
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I heard a rumor that the park will be closing Tioga Road snow or no snow on the 10th due to budget constraints and worries that someone will fall through ice. Anybody heard anything else about this? Seems like a crime to close the road when there are no hazards on it.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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When should it close, in terms of prudent management? It's not like anyone at this time of year expects the pass to be open, or is depending on it.
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Adamame
climber
Santa Cruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 4, 2012 - 05:25pm PT
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I imagine that Mammoth Lakes would pay to keep it open.
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Just think, at some point, in the very warm future, the damn road may stay open all year...
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cultureshock
Trad climber
Mountain View
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At some point on New Years there were almost 50 people spread out over various parts of Tenaya Lake. Ice Hockey, dogs frolicking and lots of skaters
There were many signs posted by the NPS stating not to go out on the ice. "DANGEROUS CONDITIONS!"
Seemed obvious to me that going on the ice was not a recommended activity. Would be a shame to close the road to enforce this.
 Luke
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Adamame
climber
Santa Cruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 4, 2012 - 05:41pm PT
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I think the real issue here is whether there is space in the budget to patrol the road.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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It should stay open long enough that I can drive over it on the way to OR!
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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The Tioga Road and the Big Oak Flat Road are not part of the California State Hwy System, but on each end of the park, they connect to State Highway 120.
I think that if the road is safe for passage, the park would have a hard time closing it because of "budget issues." Heck, they're going to rehab the road over the next few years with mega bucks. I do not know, but they could upgrade the subsurface to allow plowing, which the current road probably can't handle.
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east side underground
Trad climber
Hilton crk,ca
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Skate at your own risk- F@#k the tools- just like climbing- know what your doing
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F10
Trad climber
Bishop
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It was fantastic up there today, lots of action on Tenaya Lake
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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F-10...Skating , bikinis , and ice...Lots of action...You rock dude...! RJ
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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best post on this site in years
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T2
climber
Cardiff by the sea
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Do you think they are wearing their bathing suits in case they break through?
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bergbryce
Mountain climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Thumbs up for the one actually wearing skates, the others are posers.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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That must have been great to see, in such a beautiful place too!!!
Mighty Hiker, you got any kind of statistic about when Tioga was closed so late in the past?
Has there ever been a year that it was open all year?
What was the shortest closure for the pass?
Cheers to the ladies!!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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I didn't notice the skates...! RJ
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WBraun
climber
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It's only a State road to the park entrances.
120 thru the park is federal road.
Caltrans stops at the park entrances.
You're wrong again fatty .....
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F10
Trad climber
Bishop
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"I didn't notice the skates...! RJ"
me either
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Ken
Trad climber
Arroyo Grande
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I keep looking,but I don't see any skates or ice?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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First water skiing on Tenaya, now bikinied skaters. What next?
Tioga Pass opening and closing dates are very carefully hidden in the YNP website: http://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/seasonal.htm
The latest the pass has closed since the records start in 1980 is December 11th.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
bouldering
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bikinis , and ice... = CRACKS.
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surfstar
climber
Santa Barbara, CA
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1933
Tioga Pass breaks record for being open in winter
January 4, 2012 by jeffpelline
On January 2, Tioga Pass (9,943 feet) set the all-time record (since 1933) of being open. In fact, the road has been open only six times in December since 1933.
I’ve been going to Tioga Pass since childhood, fishing at the lakes. I can remember routinely walking across snow in July to make a cast into Tioga Lake.
Here’s a look at driving up the beautiful pass to Yosemite National Park with the National Wildlife Federation’s California Director, Beth Pratt.
http://sierrafoothillsreport.com/2012/01/04/tioga-pass-breaks-record-for-being-open-in-winter/
A choice between Yosemite/Tuolumne and Joshua Tree for MLK weekend - that's just weird.
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jfailing
Trad climber
Lone Pine
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Keeping fingers crossed the pass stays open as long as possible.
I'd love to get to Tuolumne or the the Valley in a weekend or two.
Meanwhile in Tahoe, resorts are temporarily laying folks off until it snows...
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Mick Ryan
Trad climber
The Peaks
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F10 any chance of using those pics at UKClimbing.com for a news report?
All the best,
Mick
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F10
Trad climber
Bishop
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" F10 any chance of using those pics at UKClimbing.com for a news report?
All the best,
Mick "
Go right ahead Mick,
James
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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F10 any chance of using those pics at UKClimbing.com for a news report?
All the best,
Mick
great. that'll spike traffic over at ukc. followed in short order by a spike in airline tix from heathrow to lax and sfo. followed by a spike in itinerant chain-smoking brits lurking cali and applying for green cards.
last nail in the coffin.
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Mick Ryan
Trad climber
The Peaks
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Thanks James.
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curt wohlgemuth
Social climber
Bay Area, California
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itinerant chain-smoking brits lurking cali and applying for green cards
best line in this thread.
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Mick Ryan
Trad climber
The Peaks
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Love klk, love it.
Mick
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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I'd love to get to Tuolumne or the the Valley in a weekend or two.
I heard 2nd half of January will bring fierce storms and chaos, I would make my way up there now.
Are those beautiful ladies a free promo for "Girls Girls Girls" on 120?
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Sam R
climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Real Housewives of Bishop on the ice?
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Marshall
climber
bay area
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No bikinis unfortunately, but here was the sunset from Tenaya Lake on Jan 2nd. Unbelievable. Anybody else up there then?
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213
climber
Where the Froude number often >> 1
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Bouncing the pogo stick was fun on the lake! Falling was catastrophic. TR to follow...
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east side underground
Trad climber
Hilton crk,ca
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Bikinis and ice skating - yea CALI really sucks - try that in I-dee-ho . heh heh heh
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Argon
climber
North Bay, CA
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Thanks for the entertaining pictures. Forecast suggests we'll add at least another 10 days to the record. Enjoying the Bay Area weather too - but hoping this is just a statistical aberration. It's still just 6 months since Squaw and Mammoth's last day for the '10-'11 season.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Pussy-on-Ice...you gotta lova California.
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susan peplow
climber
www.joshuatreevacationhomes.com
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Mick, it's January. It's 2012, you're in the States and I'm reminding you to do something.... remember?
Meanwhile, book a flight west. Mussy's no fun, you and I can go for an up-to-date report of Tuolume climbing, skating, bikini contest and more.
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cleo
Social climber
Berkeley, CA
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Marshall! Me too!!
Sorry, no bikini.
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Pussy-on-Ice...you gotta lova California
Cmon Blue, I don't think the guy on the pogo is one.
Any bets on who will be the first to fall through the ice? And how many "how tragic" posts there will be?
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wingsue
climber
PNW
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Marshall & Cleo, those are amazing pics. Thank you! :-)
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
bouldering
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Ditto StahlBro ^
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David D.
Trad climber
Pacific Grove, CA
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Has anyone taken advantage of the weather to do any climbing? A quick jaunt up Cathedral Peak in January? Are most places snow-free?
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nutjob
Gym climber
Berkeley, CA
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Does anyone know where I can rent ice skates in SF bay area, preferably east bay? I called a place in Oakland that says they don't and they don't know of any place that does.
I plan to head up there on Sunday.
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YosemiteSteve
Trad climber
CA
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In Sequoia/Kings Canyon they've closed the road between the parks not because of snow, but because of budget cuts. Now they've announced that it will be open from 9-5 on weekends and holidays until it snows. What if your dayhike gets you back to your car after 5?
They also closed the Lodgepole Campground for the entire winter for the first time.
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Tahoe Bikini Chic
Trad climber
Tahoe City, CA
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Hey F10 - Next time, you should come down and say hi. Here are some better photos that you could have gotten if you weren't afraid of the wildlife.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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I was in Oslo at this time two years ago, during quite a cold winter there. All the rivers, lakes and fjords were frozen. The newspapers, and each town's website, contained up to date information on ice safety, and in many places the unsafe areas were marked off. Basic public safety.
There weren't any bikini-wearing people out, though - too cold and windy. Though the Baffin Babes showed what can be done.
http://www.facebook.com/baffinbabes
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Lolli - thanks, that chart cleared it up.
When is Tahoebikinichic's sister (Tahotoplesschic) gonna show up?
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WBraun
climber
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You know .....
It's simply incredible that one can drive to such an extraordinary beautiful setting to go ice skating.
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surfstar
climber
Santa Barbara, CA
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Has anyone taken advantage of the weather to do any climbing? A quick jaunt up Cathedral Peak in January? Are most places snow-free?
Including us (that bailed) there were 11 people on Cathedral on New Years Day. Bail TR was posed on the forum a few days ago.
I think anything on Stately would be fun to do while watching skaters below. I give it until after MLK weekend before we get a storm.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Brilliant photo, crag man.
Why rent? Go to Play it again sports, Skates are good to have. You can always resell.
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rocknpow
Boulder climber
eastside
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We climbed Stately Pleasure on Jan 2nd and it was great! Was really cool to see ice skaters frolicking about while on route. Then as we returned to the cars, we just took the rock shoes off and donned our skates for some "pass the puck." It's been a great opportunity this year to recreate in activities/combos that are not norm for us in the Eastern Sierra.
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BW
climber
Bishop, CA
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cragnshag
Social climber
san joser
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What a nice sunny weekend in TM!
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cragnshag
Social climber
san joser
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skateboarding- it was tough to get going very fast because I could not get traction with my right foot (crampon or hobnail boot would solve this problem). Also you need wide trucks, big wheels and a very steady transition from pumping to standing, else the board slips sideways.
Fun stuff. Managed to not crack my head!
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jsb
Trad climber
Bay area
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Contributin'
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David D.
climber
Pacific Grove, CA
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Jan 10, 2012 - 01:42am PT
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Just got back from two days in Tuolumne/Yosemite and brought back some pics to add to the pile. Unfortunately, I don't have any with bikini-clad babes on Tenaya Lake. You are stuck with me. Most of these pictures are from today, January 9th. There were a few parties ice climbing on the second flow down from the Lake Ellery Dam but I wasn't able to get a picture of them. Awesome times in a beautiful place.
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susan peplow
climber
www.joshuatreevacationhomes.com
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Jan 10, 2012 - 01:58am PT
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I love to see these photos. It makes me feel a little closer to experiencing something so spectacular and fun. Keep 'em coming!
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chez
Social climber
chicago ill
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Jan 10, 2012 - 11:23am PT
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Pass still open! I did notice "keep off the ice" signs yesterday.
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Slater
Trad climber
Central Coast
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Jan 10, 2012 - 11:40am PT
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Pogo stick shots rule.
Thanks for that!
but how come the chick in the bikini didn't get on that thing!
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Jan 10, 2012 - 12:11pm PT
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ummmmm.....the physics of a pogo stick.
All your mass concentrated on about 3 square inches? If there's a weak spot in the ice I hope you don't hit it.
and skateboard on ice??
that's SOOOOO wrong!!
Love ALL these pics. thanks for sharing and Good On Ya for "getting it done". What a marvelous experience for all the "kids"
I can't believe it's staying frozen while it's 60 degrees every day at 3000 ft in the Santa Cruz Mtns.
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nutjob
Gym climber
Berkeley, CA
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Jan 10, 2012 - 01:44pm PT
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Cragnshag, I didn't recognize you but saw your little dude on wheels and you on the skateboard on Sunday.
I was the one experimenting with my kids, a rope, and mountaineering axe for rescue scenarios. We did some top-roping on the flanks of Stately Pleasure Dome below Great White Book too. On the way home, we explored a sweet half-frozen river with logs strewn over it, and a frozen waterfall. My car thermometer registered 60* F on the drive out! Awesome day, pics coming soon.
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jfailing
Trad climber
Lone Pine
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Jan 10, 2012 - 02:38pm PT
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Awesome pics from everyone - love the babes on ice, and the pogo sticking too...
Has it been determined whether Adamame's first post was true? Is the pass closing today? Or will it stay open indefinitely?
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the goat
climber
north central WA
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Jan 10, 2012 - 03:45pm PT
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I'm not sure whether I should be envious or not. It's cool to think you could slab climb and ice skate within a few hundred feet of each other. Its gonna be rough without some water in the bank for next summer though. Is this the driest Nov./Dec./Jan on record for the Sierra? And then we have Cordova, AK. who's trying to figure out where to put all the snow.
Just in case anyone forgot what winter is supposed to look like here are some shots from north central WA.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Jan 10, 2012 - 04:08pm PT
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It's official.
Tioga Rd. is being closed for the rest of the season at 5 pm tonight.
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jfailing
Trad climber
Lone Pine
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Jan 10, 2012 - 04:17pm PT
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Granite - where'd you get that info? Say it ain't so!
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Jan 10, 2012 - 05:11pm PT
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Are you sure? I overheard it on the radio on my way to Joshua Tree this morning to bolt Double Cross.
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Jan 10, 2012 - 05:50pm PT
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at 2:45pm today, calling, the roads are still proclaims as open.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jan 10, 2012 - 05:50pm PT
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Did you get those bolts in?
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cultureshock
Trad climber
Mountain View
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Jan 11, 2012 - 12:52pm PT
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Automated phone systems says Tioga Road is open....
10am 1.11.2012
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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Jan 11, 2012 - 12:55pm PT
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jan 11, 2012 - 01:26pm PT
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Is this the driest Nov./Dec./Jan on record for the Sierra?
Hard to tell because record-keeping changed. I know that on Dec. 26, 1975, I drove my BMW 2002 (not exactly an SUV) from the base of Patterson Bluffs to the Wishon turnoff without any problems. That winter ('75-'76) was the first of two consecutive drought years in California. In spring of 1977, I climbed the Arches without getting wet -- another sign of how dry the mountains were.
John
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mike bodine
climber
bishop, ca
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Jan 11, 2012 - 05:15pm PT
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"HORRIBLE RUMOR" said Kari Cobb, pio.
Public Information Officers at Yosemite said the road will remain open until snow closes it.
The Tioga entrance is open and NO FEES.
who shot JR?
how many licks to get to the center of the tootsie roll tootsie pop?
do a little footwork ---
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Jan 11, 2012 - 05:21pm PT
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"No Fees" only apply to the Eastern entrance.
They check on the 120 entrance to make sure your papers are in order.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jan 11, 2012 - 05:34pm PT
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I thought this weekend was a "no entrance fee" weekend for YNP (or maybe all NPS areas). Of course, since my Golden Beagle hasn't expired yet, it's a sort of thanks for nothing.
John
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jan 11, 2012 - 05:35pm PT
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Sorry, jstan says that they're called Golden Turkeys.
Not sure what people have against turkeys - Benjamin Franklin wanted the turkey to be your national bird, and in their wild state, they're an industrious, interesting, elusive creature.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jan 11, 2012 - 05:36pm PT
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I'm just waiting about 18 months for my Golden Age Passport, so pretty soon it won't matter what we call it.
;)
John
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Jan 12, 2012 - 06:33pm PT
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bump for Cool.
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jstan
climber
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Jan 13, 2012 - 03:23pm PT
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Finally! I have DSL in JT. Now that I have finished struggling with getting hooked in - maybe I can start some real work.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jan 13, 2012 - 07:28pm PT
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Now that I have finished struggling with getting hooked in - maybe I can start some real work.
Congratulations!
Just set Net Nanny to "block SuperTopo", and you'll get lots done.
ps Will you be In JT for the Gordon roofraiser in April?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jan 13, 2012 - 07:58pm PT
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I'll be up in the perimeter from Sun-Wed. Staying at the Yosemite View Lodge with the wife and boy.
I may hit up Tuolumne. I'll bring my gear, but it was supposed to be more of a trip for the family to cruise the sights and just hang. I may do a route or two.
Is there snow in the Valley? Tuolumne? Enough to cross-country ski on?
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jsb
Trad climber
Bay area
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Jan 13, 2012 - 08:01pm PT
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No snow anywhere near Yosemite. Well, at least not enough to ski on.
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Jan 16, 2012 - 12:26am PT
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14th
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the goat
climber
north central WA
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Jan 16, 2012 - 07:49am PT
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A winter like this and it would've been called Tahoe Summit or Keno Pass instead of Donner.
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jfailing
Trad climber
Lone Pine
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Jan 17, 2012 - 03:42pm PT
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Drove over the pass this weekend, checked out the lake - I had no idea how much noise it made! I'd never experienced that before, totally surreal... Sort of sounded like a whale moaning or something.
Three days of climbing in the empty valley in January... We were sweating in t-shirts up on Royal Arches and Super Slide it was so warm!
Also, an obligatory bump for the bikini babes...
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bmacd
Mountain climber
100% Canadian
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Jan 17, 2012 - 03:54pm PT
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Are there many folks in camp 4 right now ?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jan 17, 2012 - 05:21pm PT
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Get up there while you can!
Not quite bikini weather last Sunday
Marty(r) and Gary Carpenter
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Jan 17, 2012 - 05:32pm PT
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Based on the present forecast models, Tioga Pass will likely close for the season either tomorrow night or Thursday morning.
The forecast is pathetic too....just some inches. No real big precip.
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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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Jan 17, 2012 - 05:40pm PT
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What an amazing and peaceful drive back from Red Rock yesterday via Death Valley and Tioga Pass. It was so quiet there at night...maybe only 3 other cars came or went the whole way from the pass to Crane Flat. The car thermometer said it was 9 degrees at Pothole Dome. We saw a coyote who looked like he could use a lot more fur and a block the size of a large ice chest in the middle of the road.
Perhaps we should start a pool for the final closing date?
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Jan 17, 2012 - 05:48pm PT
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The forecast is pathetic too....just some inches. No real big precip.
VM, you just gotta refer to a BETTER forecast :)
Winter starts this weekend!
Saturday and Sunday --HEAVY SNOW -- -> Colder storms with copious mid Pacific moisture and modified arctic air push in off of the Pacific Ocean, causing heavy snow across the area, falling down to 6,000 feet and lower (to 3,000 feet by Sunday). The first storm moves in on Saturday, with some great powder expected to top off the dense base of snow. Areas above 8,000 feet and along the crest are expected to see 8+ feet of snow Thursday through Sunday, with more coming next week.
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top step
Trad climber
Sunnyvale, CA
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Jan 17, 2012 - 05:51pm PT
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Went to experience the ice this weekend (14th & 15th). So cool!! I think I'm gonna buy ice skates now just in case this ever occurs again. The entire time I wished I had a pair!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jan 18, 2012 - 07:43pm PT
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I'm pretty sure the pass is now closed. I just left the area.
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Mar 13, 2012 - 04:06pm PT
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Just thinking the Park could get some extra money with a "Tioga Pass Rally Car Time Trial Race". Ever wondered what it'd be like to zip past the Toulumne Store going 100mph to cheering crowds and not get a speeding ticket?
Watching such events seem to be popular in Euro. Mostly in anticipation of the crashes. Rollovers launching down the slabs at Olmstead would be quite the attraction.
1hr plus youtube compilation of rally car crashes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh1fLmltVno
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bergbryce
Mountain climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Mar 13, 2012 - 04:19pm PT
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Awesome, 1:34, safety guy comes running up on the scene with cig in mouth and coffee cup in hand.
A teachers aid in my EMT class had some stories about rally-like races BITD near Sonora, CA. Wonder if it was like this??
More on topic, the coming week or two of weather is certainly not going to speed up the Tioga Pass opener. But CA needs the water, so bring it.
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